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There is simply nothing to talk about. There are no peaceful options for completing the NWO

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There is simply nothing to talk about. There are no peaceful options for completing the NWO

Probably, there is no person among our readers who would not think about how the NWO should end in Ukraine. The fact that we simply have to win is understandable. But what is victory is still not clear.


Will we “liberate” the entire territory of Ukraine? Do the people there want it? Or will we again pick out “foresters” from caches for 10–15 years? Will we change the political regime of Ukraine? We just remove the president and hold fair elections?

More and more politicians, experts, military men in different countries of the world are inclined to think that the war must be ended through diplomacy. It is necessary to negotiate, find a formula for peace suitable for all and stop killing each other. This plan looks very nice. And the wolves are full, and the sheep are safe. It just doesn't happen in real life.

It happens that politicians really manage to sit down at the negotiating table and even sign some agreements under pressure from their “senior comrades”. The war actually ends, but only to start again soon. Even bloodier. And so on until the moment when any of the parties does not win completely.

In the case of Ukraine, I see nothing new. Unless there are more hunters to the Ukrainian land than usual. But here you need to understand them. Being part of the state that broke the back of German fascism, Ukraine received part of the territories of its neighbors and turned into one of the largest European republics.

And the offended former owners were afraid to open their mouths against the decision of the big brother, of which Ukraine was a part. But now that the Ukrainians have given up their victory, their heroes, their ancestors, their past, the situation has changed radically. Now the neighbors are no longer asking. Now they are sure that they will return their lands. However, like the population of these disputed territories.

Or maybe there is still a chance to talk?


Of course, you can talk, but why? In order to speak, you must first determine your positions and the concessions that you are ready to make. At the same time, one must be confident in the ability of the opposing party to negotiate, in its readiness to implement the decisions made.

Alas, during the negotiations, which were held quite often within the framework of the Minsk Group, within the framework of meetings in Paris, in Turkey, Ukraine proved to be a completely incapable country, the agreements with which are not worth the time spent on them. Kyiv is just a pawn on the chessboard of world politics.

Suppose, by some miracle, both sides agreed to negotiate. And they even agreed to the option not for you, not for us. The four regions that became part of Russia and Crimea form their own state, which is free to choose its own development path. The situation is completely crazy, given that these territories are already part of Russia, but still.

What is the future of this pseudo-state?

Yes, quite understandable. This is another Nagorno-Karabakh in the near future. It will again be internally divided into supporters of Russia and supporters of Ukraine. Again, the country will go into disarray and again the neighbors will have to intervene. Whoever is stronger will win...

The other option is no better than the first.

We stop at what we have achieved so far. The front line turns into a state border. The population of the border territories hates each other with a fierce hatred. Ukraine continues to pursue a policy of de-Russification of its territory. The fascist ideology and the idea of ​​revenge and the return of "their" lands are being planted.

Russian lands are buzzing with reports of violence against Russians in Ukraine. The situation is becoming explosive just because family ties between Russians and Ukrainians persist. In the new Ukraine, their relatives are being killed. In the end, either one or the other side will start another conflict ...

Well, the third option.

The most beautiful at first sight. Territories that have already become part of Russia, Ukraine recognizes as Russian. Territories inhabited by Russians receive the same rights as Ukrainian-speaking ones. The Russian language is recognized as the official language in these territories. Even the banderization of these territories is suspended.

I will even describe the points of this agreement. Fortunately, there are only fifteen of them. The first six are the usual technical items - scope. Three more points concern the creation of the police. Ukrainian police. It operates according to Ukrainian laws, but the chief of police is necessarily appointed from local Russian-speaking citizens. The remaining points are about language, energy, communications, and so on.

The most recent "quickly rotting" version (on the example of Kosovo)


It was not in vain that I cited the points of the “best” agreement in the negotiations between Russia and Ukraine. Don't think that I have taken the liberty of teaching our diplomats their job. Everything is very simple. Such an agreement already exists, and for quite a long time.

Signed in April 2013. It is called - "The first agreement on the principles governing the normalization of relations between the governments of Serbia and Kosovo." In the future, the agreement was finalized on various issues of the life of these republics.

Oddly enough, having signed these agreements, both sides are in constant search for facts of their violation by the opposite side, which leads to fairly frequent conflicts between Serbia and Kosovo. The most common cause of claims against Kosovo are the three northern municipalities of Kosovo - Zvencan, Zubin Potok and Leposavich and the town of Kosovska Mitrovica, where Kosovo Serbs make up the vast majority. We often call this region Northern Kosovo. Serbs use their own name - Ibar Kolasin.

The aggravation that we saw just a few days ago is probably the most dangerous of all. Both sides were on the brink of war. At the same time, neither Serbia nor Kosovo want to fight. Here is such a squiggle of relationships. Kosovo Serbs have brought the situation to such a point that if blood was shed in Ibar Kolasin, Belgrade would have to send troops to the region.

Now I will voice a blasphemous fact for many.

The Serbs are to blame for the current escalation. It was the Serbs who provoked the situation. I don't know if this was agreed upon with the President of the Republic of Serbia or if the Kosovo Serbs acted on their own initiative, but the fact that the situation escalated due to the ill-conceived (or well-thought-out) actions of the Kosovo Serbs is a fact.

After the conclusion of the agreement, the West began to invest huge amounts of money in Kosovo. Today, Pristina not only looks, but also lives richer than many cities in neighboring states. The consequences of the war are practically eliminated. The population receives cheap loans for the construction of houses and the development of their own business, etc.

It would seem, live and rejoice. But it doesn't work. In addition to the territories that I have listed above, the rest of the territory of Kosovo is inhabited by ethnic Albanians. Leaving out details, one can say that, on the one hand, the Kosovo Serbs from North Kosovo want full autonomy, and on the other hand, the Albanians are not eager for such a “federalization” of the country.

The crisis that has arisen today is a consequence of precisely this internal confrontation. Roughly speaking, the Kosovo Serbs went to unbalance the political system of Kosovo. In protest against the delay in federalization, and this is also a fact, the Serbs withdrew from all municipal authorities. Thus, legally there is simply no power in Ibar Kolasin!

What happened next?

Pristina could not allow anarchy and took a number of steps that directly contradict the agreement. On the territory of Northern Kosovo, the Albanian special forces began to conduct raids, and this is expressly prohibited by the agreement. The arrests began. In response, the Serbs began to build barricades, block roads, and pickets.

KFOR units, which were redeployed to the north of Kosovo, tried to save the situation. Remember the messages from that time? Almost in each of them, the red line was the idea that no one controls the situation, it develops on its own, and how it will all end is unknown.

However, after a violent outburst of emotions, events calmed down. There was a sort of unsettling calm.

I don't want to delve further into the situation. Put forward versions about the actions of the Albanians or the Serbian president. There, too, everything is confusing and twisted enough. Small countries surrounded by strong neighbors are forced to “turn around” and adapt to the actions of these neighbors.

And the reason for all these political differences, I think, lies in the economy. I will write this way, according to rumors, in the north of Kosovo there are deposits of rare earth metals, which, under the conditions of sanctions against Russia, are very necessary for Europe and the United States. Control of these deposits will give the government - either Serbia or Kosovo - an excellent trump card when discussing the next aid.

Let me remind you that the West has already prepared the third package of assistance to Serbia, designed for several years. I do not think that President Vucic is unaware of this package and the assistance that the West is ready to provide to his country. Moreover, I am almost certain that this aid has already been taken into account in Serbia's budget.

By the way, remembering the events of the weekend, when the Serbs, in their desire to help the Kosovo Serbs, tried to break through the cordon of the Serbian police at the border. The slogans used by the Serbs look somehow strange. It seems that reality has shifted slightly from its usual place. The essence of the slogans is simple - the Russians are with us, the Russians will help.

I wonder how the Serbs see this, how can this be done without having a common border, without access to the sea and, consequently, seaports, surrounded by NATO countries? There will be no next "throw of Russian paratroopers". There are simply no Russian paratroopers nearby. And there are no ways to deliver them to the territory of Serbia. Unless, of course, the fate of planet Earth is at stake. I'm talking about World War III...

The worst thing that can happen is an attempt by Serbia to resolve the conflict by force. Yesterday, the President of Serbia announced that the country is increasing the number of its special forces four times. A little earlier, he sent a request to NATO to allow the introduction of Serbian special forces in the amount of 1 people into the territory of North Kosovo.

It is clear that Kosovo will not be able to resist the Serbian army. However, it seems to me that in this case, Albania will come to the aid of the Kosovo Albanians. Then the situation will change radically. Already Serbia will not have a chance. But most importantly, the war will break out again in the Balkans. And again, it will take a lot of effort to stop it.

There will be no negotiations, there will be surrender


When I began to prepare material on the search for ways to resolve the Ukrainian crisis, I formulated my conclusion on the situation. Yesterday, after the statement of President Putin and Minister Shoigu, he confirmed his correctness. The country's leadership came to the same conclusions.

What, as it seemed to me, was the main thing in the speeches of the president and the minister? I would like to point out a few main ideas.

First of all, that we understand the threat from the West. The threat of a third world war, a global war of annihilation. And we are not going to back down. If you want war, get war.

Another important conclusion.

Negotiations with the global West will not lead to anything just because our opponents are not ready to recognize the equal rights of the West and Russia. The last decades of diplomatic work have shown the deceit and unwillingness to implement the decisions made by the West.

Now for the current situation.

The tasks and goals of the SVO have not changed. We have not abandoned a single point, and the army will solve them radically. Despite the opinion of the West and the wishes of the West. There will be no negotiations to freeze hostilities. There will also be no contracts. We'll just hit and destroy...

Further already specific military conclusions.

The army will be strengthened. The resources directed there will be increased. This applies not only to material and financial resources, but also to human resources.

It follows that the army is once again on the verge of serious reform. The reasons are clearly named by Sergei Shoigu. Increasing threat from NATO and shortcomings identified during the JEE. At the same time, the President of Russia stressed, it is also important, that there will be no fanaticism here. The Armed Forces will be reformed without prejudice to other sectors of the economy.

And one more important conclusion for our work.

The MoD acknowledges that there are shortcomings in the work. Admits that he accepts criticism. That is, what we are often reproached for, I mean materials about shortcomings in supplies, training, mobilization, etc., is recognized as correct and necessary. This is not to discredit the army, but to help identify shortcomings.

Well, my conclusion on Ukraine.

There will be no more negotiations. The only time when the President of Ukraine will be able to sit at the table next to the President of Russia (if, of course, he can, based on the fact that Ukraine, by attacking Dmitry Rogozin and DPR Prime Minister Vitaly Khotsenko, turned its politicians into a legitimate target) is the signing of an act of unconditional surrender.
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  1. FoBoss_VM
    FoBoss_VM 26 December 2022 04: 39
    -2
    I completely agree. Negotiations can go on only on one issue: Zelensky's signing of an act of complete and unconditional surrender. The entire territory of Ukraine up to the line Zhytomyr - Vinnitsa is part of the Russian Federation as subjects, the rest goes to Hungary. The word Ukraine must disappear from the political map of the world forever. Only this way and nothing else. No agreements - 150% will be deceived. So that's the only way, unfortunately. The solution to this issue is possible exclusively by military means, the time for diplomacy is long gone
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 26 December 2022 05: 26
      +14
      And the wolves are fed and the sheep are whole.
      It won't! And it will be: And the wolves are full and there is a lot of wool!
      1. Diana Ilyina
        Diana Ilyina 26 December 2022 09: 59
        +3
        Whether it will or not, time will tell, but for now, all forecasts are guesswork. All of us here do not possess even a thousandth part of information about the real alignments in geopolitics. And therefore we will sit and wait for the finished one.
        1. filibuster
          filibuster 26 December 2022 10: 43
          +21
          All of us here do not possess even a thousandth part of information about the real alignments in geopolitics.

          Apparently Putin has an even smaller share of information about real cases, judging by the way the NWO was planned.
          1. Sasha Veter
            Sasha Veter 26 December 2022 19: 50
            -6
            Quote from: filibuster
            Apparently Putin has an even smaller share of information about real cases, judging by the way the NWO was planned.


            You don't have the slightest idea how the NWO was planned. No need to make faces here with a smart look, arguing about what you don’t have, just the slightest idea.
            1. filibuster
              filibuster 26 December 2022 21: 15
              0
              Why don't I have it, anyone who is friends with logic has, but now we know how everything happened. what forces were involved, the main directions of the strike.
              Or are you hinting that the General Staff, despite a sober assessment of the situation in Ukraine, decided to use a limited contingent at the initial stage, realizing that the forces would be completely insufficient?
              1. topol717
                topol717 27 December 2022 22: 28
                -3
                Quote from: filibuster
                Why don't I have it, anyone who is friends with logic has

                You seem to have clearly written that logic has nothing to do with it. You don't have all the information, and even now you don't know everything. And the General Staff acted correctly, and initially Ukraine negotiated, but then Johnson convinced Zelensky to start the War.
                Well, no one in their right mind will fight against the Russian Federation, because if defeat is inevitable, then the Russian Federation will first use tactical nuclear weapons, and if this is not enough, it will use strategic nuclear weapons. I think everyone understands this, except for the clown.
                1. yuriy1863
                  yuriy1863 29 December 2022 14: 27
                  0
                  And the General Staff acted correctly, and initially Ukraine negotiated, but then Johnson convinced Zelensky to start the War.

                  The General Staff would act correctly if the planning of the operation and the calculation of forces and means were carried out on the basis of the most realistic information on the domestic political situation existing in Ukraine. For this, the GRU General Staff existed, with its experience, personnel and agents. The General Staff would continue to act correctly if the databases were planned and implemented by a single command, with the provision of strict interaction between all types and branches of troops. And many, many more. In addition, initially, "compulsion to negotiate" was not the goal of the NWO. Until the top leadership of the country finally decides on the goals and objectives of this war and mobilizes the country following the example of the USSR, everything will also be vague, endless and stupid.
              2. Sasha Veter
                Sasha Veter 27 December 2022 23: 19
                -3
                Quote from: filibuster
                anyone who is friends with logic has


                I'm implying that you:
                1) do not have all the initial data to understand how the planning of the SVO was carried out.
                2) even if you knew ALL the initial data, you still have no idea how it can all be planned into something unified and holistic.
                3) before starting a war, you need to understand its goals. Sun Tzu said. The main rule of war. I think those who started it know the real goals. And this is different from the "denazification and demilitarization" that you feed us.

                As you can see, we don't really know any of the variables in this equation. And you state that the equation is solved incorrectly.
            2. lis-ik
              lis-ik 26 December 2022 21: 21
              +6
              Quote: Sasha Veter
              Quote from: filibuster
              Apparently Putin has an even smaller share of information about real cases, judging by the way the NWO was planned.


              You don't have the slightest idea how the NWO was planned. No need to make faces here with a smart look, arguing about what you don’t have, just the slightest idea.

              Then it all looks much worse.
              1. Leakage
                Leakage 27 December 2022 18: 21
                0
                Negotiation is always better than war. Another thing is when negotiations are conducted with vines !!!
        2. dorz
          dorz 26 December 2022 15: 10
          +4
          Quote: Diana Ilyina
          Whether it will or not, time will tell, but for now, all forecasts are guesswork. All of us here do not possess even a thousandth part of information about the real alignments in geopolitics. And therefore we will sit and wait for the finished one.

          Henry Kessinger announced the goals (well, he didn’t come up with it himself at the age of 99) - Ukraine should be in NATO, with all the consequences. You can gush as much as you like about the NATO charter, which will not allow it to accelerate, but it will happen at lightning speed if there is Minsk. The EU very comfortably and without scandal bypassed Hungary's veto when voting on the package of sanctions.
      2. FIR FIR
        FIR FIR 26 December 2022 11: 58
        +1
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        And the wolves are full

        I agree.
        to negotiate, to find a formula for peace suitable for all

        The "Formula of the World" will be found very quickly, as soon as the bigwigs of world capital stop earning, or worse, they start to lose. In the meantime, the profit is in the hundreds of percent.
      3. AA17
        AA17 26 December 2022 13: 07
        +10
        Dear Uncle Lee (Vladimir)
        I agree with your statement:
        It won't! And it will be: And the wolves are full and there is a lot of wool!

        The goals of the NWO are constantly changing. The image of Victory in the NWO does not have a specific description. Therefore, the end of the NWO by the Russian authorities will be announced at any moment: "...Desired Achievement will be issued for achieved desire..."
        The bourgeois of different countries will always agree among themselves. As always, V.I. Lenin was right:
        “Look at the capitalists: they are trying to kindle national enmity among the “common people”, while they themselves are doing their business perfectly: in the same joint-stock company there are Russians, Ukrainians, Poles, Jews, and Germans. The capitalists of all nations and religions are united against the workers, and the workers are trying to divide and weaken them by national enmity!”
        IN AND. Lenin, PSS v.23 p.176, "Nationalization of the Jewish School".
        1. ZAV69
          ZAV69 27 December 2022 11: 31
          +2
          The bourgeois of different countries will always agree among themselves. As always, V.I. Lenin was right:

          Do you watch news? Western bourgeois are going to cut ours to zero. Even under a shave. I'm talking about the US budget for 23 years. In Europe, the movement is similar. .
    2. filibuster
      filibuster 26 December 2022 10: 42
      +9
      The entire territory of Ukraine up to the line Zhytomyr - Vinnitsa is part of the Russian Federation as subjects, the rest goes to Hungary.

      But why do we still need that territory, we need to ennoble what is here, make it “candy”, and all the land is not enough for you. We need to develop in such a way that everyone would voluntarily want to join us, and not run in different directions.

      The solution to this issue is possible exclusively by military means, the time for diplomacy is long gone


      There is no military solution, or rather, any occupation of present-day Ukraine with a population extremely hostile to us will be another “mine” under the state, the same “mine” that Putin liked to remember.

      The word Ukraine must disappear from the political map of the world forever. Only this way and nothing else.


      Well, I congratulate you, you have become the very fascist against whom we are fighting in Ukraine.
      1. FIR FIR
        FIR FIR 26 December 2022 12: 01
        +6
        Quote from: filibuster
        need to improve what is here

        Yes, no time.
      2. Zakirov Damir
        Zakirov Damir 26 December 2022 13: 26
        -10
        Quote from: filibuster
        But why do we still need that territory, we need to ennoble what is here, make it “candy”, and all the land is not enough for you.

        Land is never enough. And what does it mean to ennoble candy? I don’t need lace panties, I don’t want to enter the European Union, I don’t want to live with a population density of 300 people sq. km, and I don’t want 10 people. per sq. km are quite satisfied.

        Quote from: filibuster
        We need to develop in such a way that everyone would voluntarily want to join us, and not run in different directions.

        What if they don't want to join? The territories are primordially Russian, but they don’t want to join? We have to use force against such "tenants".

        Quote from: filibuster
        There is no military solution, or rather, any occupation of present-day Ukraine with a population extremely hostile to us will be another “mine” under the state,

        Those who are in arms, we will destroy on the battlefield, and those who disagree will be deported to Western Ukraine. After that, Western Ukraine itself will be handed over to "good hands" by referendum. Why is this option bad?

        Quote from: filibuster
        Well, I congratulate you, you have become the very fascist against whom we are fighting in Ukraine.

        You will congratulate when we sign the act of surrender. And we became fascists when "we signed a secret protocol and divided Europe with Hitler." You must be consistent in "historical issues of recent history."
        1. filibuster
          filibuster 26 December 2022 15: 57
          +10
          Land is never enough. And what does it mean to ennoble candy? I don’t need lace panties, I don’t want to enter the European Union, I don’t want to live with a population density of 300 people sq. km, and I don’t want 10 people. per sq. km are quite satisfied.


          Why do you have such a fiction on these lace panties, some unrealized fantasies?
          1. Vic Vic
            Vic Vic 26 December 2022 18: 30
            -1
            In this case, this is a trolling of the well-known Ukrainian dream, which has long become a meme.
      3. Il'nur
        Il'nur 26 December 2022 14: 17
        0
        you became that fascist

        Did he really say to destroy the peoples living in this territory, he said that it is necessary to destroy this misunderstanding called "Ukraine", this hotbed of Bandera, followers of the German Nazis, which is a tool, a weapon of the West against Russia ...
        1. filibuster
          filibuster 26 December 2022 15: 55
          +7
          he said that it is necessary to destroy this misunderstanding called "Ukraine", this hotbed of Bandera,


          Here you are reading the same fascist, from the other side they say exactly the same about us, instead of "Bandera" using the words "empire".
          1. Zakirov Damir
            Zakirov Damir 26 December 2022 16: 27
            -4
            Quote from: filibuster
            he said that it is necessary to destroy this misunderstanding called "Ukraine", this hotbed of Bandera,


            Here you are reading the same fascist, from the other side they say exactly the same about us, instead of "Bandera" using the words "empire".

            Yes, absolutely do not care what they say from the other side! It was necessary to agree before February 24, and now, when the guns have begun to speak, it is necessary to fight. If necessary, to the last Ukrainian!
            1. Negro
              Negro 26 December 2022 16: 41
              +9
              Quote: Damir Zakirov
              now that the guns have begun to speak, we must fight. If necessary, to the last Ukrainian!

              And you, dear friend, are you at the front now or where?
              1. Ganssh
                Ganssh 26 December 2022 19: 54
                0
                I will answer why minus ... As of the moment - on leave for injury. And where are you sitting? Nigre kid? I've been going there since I was 14, and you? so sorry. but minus.
                1. Negro
                  Negro 26 December 2022 22: 46
                  +1
                  Quote: GansSH
                  And where are you sitting?

                  As far as possible.
                  Quote: GansSH
                  I've been going there since I was 14, and you? so sorry. but minus

                  Nothing to apologize for. No more apologies, to be honest.
              2. Ganssh
                Ganssh 26 December 2022 19: 55
                -3
                I was in a hurry)) I put + then on a minus ... corrected. Count 4 instead of 5.
              3. Zakirov Damir
                Zakirov Damir 26 December 2022 20: 03
                -8
                Quote: Negro
                Quote: Damir Zakirov
                now that the guns have begun to speak, we must fight. If necessary, to the last Ukrainian!

                And you, dear friend, are you at the front now or where?

                Where are you? I have no doubts that you receive money from the Russophy community.
                1. filibuster
                  filibuster 26 December 2022 21: 22
                  +5
                  So you see the difference, from the very beginning I didn’t support this SVO and don’t go there as a volunteer, but you shout that you will fight to the last Ukrainian, but at the same time you are sitting on the couch, that is, your position is as hypocritical as possible.
                2. Negro
                  Negro 26 December 2022 22: 28
                  +3
                  Quote: Damir Zakirov
                  you receive money from the Russophy community, I have no doubts.

                  This is not such a money business - there are too many applicants.
            2. Il'nur
              Il'nur 26 December 2022 22: 22
              -1
              until the last Ukrainian

              Until the last Ukrainian, their masters, the Anglo-Saxons, want to fight ...
              And we must destroy this Bandera hotbed, and those who serve this Ukrainian-Nazi Bandera non-state ...
          2. Il'nur
            Il'nur 26 December 2022 22: 08
            -2
            Let's start with the definition of fascism:
            Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, violent suppression of opposition, and strong regulation of society and the economy.

            In continuation, we are not at war with the population, we do not say that we will destroy the inhabitants of Ukraine, as they say, and the Ukronazi-Banderites do against the Russians, in Russia they do not raise their children in the desire to kill ukrov, as the Bandera-Ukronazis raise their children in idiologism "death to Muscovites" ...

            And what is "empire" - you first read what it is, you probably wanted to say "empire" - it's completely different:
            A state headed by an emperor is either a colonial or an internationally significant power, based in its domestic and foreign policy on the military estates and acting in the interests of the military estates. As a rule, an empire unites different peoples and territories into a single state with a single political center, which plays a prominent role in the region or even throughout the world.
            1. filibuster
              filibuster 27 December 2022 02: 18
              -1
              In continuation, we are not at war with the population, we do not say that we will destroy the inhabitants of Ukraine, as they say, and the Ukronazi-Banderites do against the Russians, in Russia they do not raise their children in the desire to kill ukrov, as the Bandera-Ukronazis raise their children in idiologism "death to Muscovites" ...


              Well, no matter how we say it, Krasovsky urged their children to be drowned and burned, Simonyan wrote down the entire population of Ukraine as Nazis, we are starting to fit your definition more and more: as a form of ultra-right authoritarian ultranationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, violent suppression of the opposition and strong regulation of society and the economy .
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          4. Vyacheslav Krylov
            Vyacheslav Krylov 27 December 2022 03: 10
            0
            Quote from: filibuster
            Here you are reading the same fascist, from the other side they say exactly the same about us, instead of "Bandera" using the words "empire".

            What they say is separate. What they do is also separate.
            With these initial conditions, try to compare different options for statehood:
            Russian Empire, USSR, RSFSR, Ukrainian SSR, Russia, Ukraine.
            In the competition of statehood, Russia wins not because it is the most ideal, but because it is the best of the worst. There is no better statehood on the planet than the state of Russia with promising statehood. All planetary samples with the smell of the past and without any hope for the future. It's just that Russia can still be tolerated if taken without an overdose.
      4. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis 26 December 2022 21: 15
        +2
        Quote from: filibuster
        The word Ukraine must disappear from the political map of the world forever. Only this way and nothing else.


        Well, I congratulate you, you have become the very fascist against whom we are fighting in Ukraine.

        When did the word Ukraine appear on the political map? Remind? The date of formation of Ukraine as a state is known to all - it is August 24, 1991. By permission of an alcoholic, a traitor to the Russian people, Yeltsin. Slogans? No, facts. And all the time of its existence, this formation was cracking, trying to divide into, and in contrast to this inevitable process, they created a nationalistically oriented society. Hatred for everything Russian. I recently thought, what did A, S, Pushkin do to them, why are his monuments being demolished ... why such hatred for the poet? And everything is simple ... - lines from a fairy tale "There is a Russian spirit, there smells of Russia!" And nothing about Bandera, Bandura, Independence and a zhovtno blakyt flag with Zelensky and Shukhevych ...... There was no such country!
        1. filibuster
          filibuster 27 December 2022 02: 14
          +3
          In general, I don’t care when Ukraine appeared, as well as Ukraine itself, all countries once did not exist, and then appeared, but I remember exactly how since the year 2006, Ukraine began to mention Ukraine more often in the news, that it did everything wrong and behaved wrong.


          Hatred for everything Russian. I recently thought, what did A, S, Pushkin do to them, why are his monuments being demolished ... why such hatred for the poet? And everything is simple ...- lines from the fairy tale "There is a Russian spirit, there smells of Russia!" And nothing about Bandera, bandura, independence and a yellowish flag with Zelensky and Shukhevych ...... There was no such country!


          Well, apparently from a small mind they are demolishing monuments to Pushkin, but was that really a reason to start an NWO? I repeat, we need to build such a country and a society in our country so that everyone wants to join us and the best minds go to live and work.
      5. topol717
        topol717 27 December 2022 22: 34
        -2
        Quote from: filibuster
        The word Ukraine must disappear from the political map of the world forever. Only this way and nothing else.


        Well, I congratulate you, you have become the very fascist against whom we are fighting in Ukraine.

        So where is fascism?
        A state that openly proclaims Nazi ideals must be destroyed, torn apart into 4-5 different small principalities without the possibility of unification. With different names, such as Galicia, Malorosiya and so on.
        Look what they did to Yugoslavia. Who prevents the same to do with Ukraine?
    3. Puzoter
      Puzoter 26 December 2022 13: 21
      +1
      It has been obvious for a long time. Ideologically and as a state, Ukraine is Russia's antagonist and mortal enemy, without exaggeration. The reverse is also true. There was hope for Our People, incl. even at the beginning of the NWO, now it is gone and there can only be one end. Theoretically, of course, there are two, but since the second one is the whole world in dust, I don’t believe in it.
    4. soloist2424
      soloist2424 26 December 2022 13: 58
      +1
      And immediately the author has a bunch of minuses. Interesting.
    5. Andrey Gladkikh
      Andrey Gladkikh 26 December 2022 20: 10
      -1
      Obviously, the cons were put because of the words "the rest goes beyond Poland to Hungary." Why do we really need a hotbed of Ukrainianism - Galicia? The country's leadership has already said that the annexation of Galicia was unnecessary (it was Stalin's mistake), and in our country everyone reacts like the words of Ivan Vasilyevich performed by Yu. Yakovlev about the Kemsky volost. Do we lack territories? Or is Galicia primordially Russian lands? especially since the Lutsk and Rovno regions should be considered southern Polissya with the need to transfer them to our ally Belarus.
      1. Zakirov Damir
        Zakirov Damir 26 December 2022 20: 45
        -4
        Quote: Andrey Gladkikh
        Obviously, the cons were put because of the words "the rest goes beyond Poland to Hungary."

        The cons were put by those who purposefully work out Russophobia, or openly liberal views. There is a third audience - these are "all-throwers" who act not out of conviction, but reflexively.

        The first two audiences gathered in this topic, since the topic itself is relevant and attracts the reader's attention with its topicality. This is the crow and minus!
        1. Negro
          Negro 26 December 2022 22: 54
          +5
          Quote: Damir Zakirov
          The cons were put by those who purposefully work out Russophobia

          No, we are just such vkukareki normally come. But they annoy many other forum participants - throwing hats on the APU for the 11th month of the NWO is somehow too stupid.
      2. Vyacheslav Krylov
        Vyacheslav Krylov 27 December 2022 03: 28
        -2
        Quote: Andrey Gladkikh
        Or is Galicia primordially Russian lands?

        What problems? Let's make it original!
  2. Hindu
    Hindu 26 December 2022 05: 06
    +34
    The fact that we simply have to win is understandable. But what is victory is still not clear.

    the author, as always, anneals!
    We must win, but what it is to win is unknown.
    How can you create something you have no idea about?
    Well, the staver is not embarrassed by such a nifiga.
    Continues to ramble on.
    Meehan Gonzales in the galley?
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 26 December 2022 10: 09
      -11
      Quote: Hindu
      Meehan Gonzales in the galley?

      No, just Russian, unlike you!
      1. aglet
        aglet 26 December 2022 12: 21
        +7
        "No, just Russian, unlike you!"
        I'm sure Mihan Gonzales is no less Russian!
    2. skeptick2
      skeptick2 26 December 2022 10: 37
      +20
      Quote: Hindu
      Well, the staver is not embarrassed by such a nifiga.

      Well, the work of a person is such, what can you do? Stretch an owl on a globe and share the skin of an unkilled bear.
      But this work raises a lot of questions.
      1. "The tasks and goals of the NWO have not changed." Really? Mr. Staver does not listen to the guarantor's speech? Doesn't notice that the terms "denazification" and "demilitarization" have disappeared from his vocabulary?
      2. "There will be no talks on freezing hostilities." And if they do? Mr. Staver is responsible for his words? Or will he remain silent just as modestly after the embarrassment as after pathos words to defend Kherson to the last drop of blood?
      3. "The army will be strengthened. The resources sent there will be increased. This applies not only to material and financial resources, but also to human ones." Unfortunately, this is a mutual process. Only one side is under severe sanctions that slow down its economy, while the other receives military and financial assistance from more than 40 states, most of which are members of NATO and the EU. In addition, lend-lease has not yet begun to work (and, of course, they did not report to us what Zelensky and Biden specifically talked about). In terms of human reserves, Ukraine does not experience a shortage and will not experience it.
      4. "The MoD acknowledges that there are shortcomings in the work. Recognizes that he accepts criticism in his address." What is it - now it is allowed to criticize the actions of the Moscow Region? And the amendments to Article 207.3 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation no longer work? And they no longer give 3 years in prison for this very criticism? Or can only a select few be criticized? Like Mr Staver?
    3. aglet
      aglet 26 December 2022 12: 18
      +9
      "and what is to win - is unknown."
      what Putin says once again is a victory. what is unclear here?
    4. Puzoter
      Puzoter 26 December 2022 13: 25
      -2
      To win is to win the third world. There are no options here.
    5. runway-1
      runway-1 26 December 2022 21: 46
      0
      He is the collective higher mind of the jingoists (Meehan/Gonzalez/voice_of_reason, etc., etc.)!
      And yes, all of them continue to lively carve up the skin of an unkilled creature ...
  3. Mikhail Drabkin
    Mikhail Drabkin 26 December 2022 05: 15
    +1
    There are wars that never end. Greeks and Turks. Japan and China. India and China. Pakistan and India. They are suspended, preserved. Forms change, but hostility remains and is ready to flare up with renewed vigor.

    This is not an erasable part of the historical burden.

    Germany and Russia today is the continuation of the war by political methods (Clausewitz's paraphrase).
    1. alexey sidykin
      alexey sidykin 26 December 2022 09: 45
      0
      Quote: Michael Drabkin
      There are wars that never end. Greeks and Turks. Japan and China. India and China. Pakistan and India. They are suspended, preserved. Forms change, but hostility remains and is ready to flare up with renewed vigor.

      This is not an erasable part of the historical burden.

      Germany and Russia today is the continuation of the war by political methods (Clausewitz's paraphrase).

      Not quite right ... Germany is not an independent country. Correct Russia and the Anglo-Saxon world. That's certainly our protmvostoyanie not one century goes.
      1. Essex62
        Essex62 27 December 2022 01: 34
        0
        And every time they are impudent, they turn out to be Russia's allies, opposite Germany. Well, when did it actually become Germany. Against the European Union, the Bounapartia were also allies. Paradox.
  4. Epaulettes
    Epaulettes 26 December 2022 05: 30
    +11
    And what does the author suggest?
    With this in mind:
    Do the people there want it?


    ??

    But the local citizens do not want this. What does the author propose to do?
    1. Andrey Moskvin
      Andrey Moskvin 26 December 2022 05: 45
      +30
      The author does not offer anything. He spun, gathered up examples without answering any of the questions he asked himself.
    2. Reklastik
      Reklastik 26 December 2022 07: 18
      +6
      But the local citizens do not want this. What the author proposes to do
      - when the author was preparing to write, he did not expect this)))
  5. parusnik
    parusnik 26 December 2022 05: 39
    +19
    Everything, harder and harder to read .. Everything is in a bunch .. The author, this conflict is not inter-ethnic .. and what the Victory will be, you yourself don’t know, by the way, I also .. in my opinion, "this music will be eternal" ..
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 26 December 2022 06: 16
      -1
      defeat Nazism, can only Ukrainians themselves, with the help of Russia. while there is no such "movement", but it is necessary to "activate" it somehow. in an open war, as now, there will be no winners.
      1. alekseykabanets
        alekseykabanets 26 December 2022 08: 21
        +33
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        defeat Nazism, only the Ukrainians themselves can, with the help of Russia

        With the help of Russia, you say? Yes, we ourselves first need to defeat Nazism and chauvinism in the Russian Federation, we must imprison for Nazi statements like "drown and burn Ukrainian children" or "wipe Ukrainian cities off the face of the earth", and not for posters like "no wobble." There is an article for inciting ethnic hatred, but it turns out that it is possible to insult Ukrainians as a nation, but for example, Avars or Yakuts are not allowed, but even before the SVO, about two million Ukrainians lived on the territory of the Russian Federation.
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        in an open war, as now, there will be no winners.

        I agree with you. The goals and objectives of the war must be clearly defined, but we do not see this. If the goal of the policy of the Russian Federation (war) would be the reunification of the three fraternal peoples of Russian, Ukrainian and Belarusian, I believe that such a goal of the policy of the Russian Federation would find a response in the hearts of the people in the Russian Federation, and if the Russian Federation were also a socially attractive country, then the response would be would and from the Ukrainians and Belarusians. What is needed for that? Yes, not so much. The first is the socialization (nationalization) of the oil and gas complex and the direction of income from it only for the industrialization of the country. The second is the nationalization of the banking system and the subordination of the central bank to the interests of the country, i.e. a change in the financial policy of the state towards the development of industry, and not the enrichment of individual characters. The third is the complete and universal "zeroing" of ALL loans. Fourth, the introduction of a life sentence for corruption and confiscation of the property of corrupt officials and their relatives. After some 5 years, we would not have recognized the country, and in general, the socio-economic formation could not be touched for now. Is the current state able to solve this? Theoretically yes, but practically...
        1. kor1vet1974
          kor1vet1974 26 December 2022 09: 33
          +11
          Yes, we first ourselves in the Russian Federation need to defeat Nazism and chauvinism
          Two states are fighting in which anti-Sovietism and anti-communism are preached .. At the same time, citizens of both countries call each other fascists ...
          1. alexey sidykin
            alexey sidykin 26 December 2022 09: 50
            -9
            Quote: kor1vet1974
            Yes, we first ourselves in the Russian Federation need to defeat Nazism and chauvinism
            Two states are fighting in which anti-Sovietism and anti-communism are preached .. At the same time, citizens of both countries call each other fascists ...

            And what about the demolition of monuments to Soviet leaders? Not a single one was demolished except for the early 90s. And they don’t carry out torchlight marches with zigzagging thugs and don’t paint crosses on technicians ...
            1. alekseykabanets
              alekseykabanets 26 December 2022 10: 50
              +12
              Quote: Alexey Sedykin
              And what about the demolition of monuments to Soviet leaders?

              And that anti-Sovietism and anti-communism only manifest themselves in this? Labor legislation changed, under the employer? Soviet works are being removed from the school curriculum, but Solzhenitsyn has been staged, no? Is the monument to Dzerzhinsky on the Lubyanka still standing? Etc.
              Quote: Alexey Sedykin
              And they don’t carry out torchlight marches with zigzagging thugs and don’t paint crosses on technicians ...

              These are optional attributes, nothing more. In Chile under Pinochet, for example, these attributes did not exist, and the regime was, in fact, fascist and anti-people.
              1. kor1vet1974
                kor1vet1974 26 December 2022 12: 23
                +5
                We still cannot understand that anti-Sovietism and Nazism are one and the same .. Or they don’t want to understand ..
                1. karabas-barabas
                  karabas-barabas 26 December 2022 14: 07
                  -5
                  Quote: kor1vet1974
                  We still cannot understand that anti-Sovietism and Nazism are one and the same

                  Yep, it's the same thing right now. Is it possible to live without both of these abominations, like most EU countries?
                  1. alekseykabanets
                    alekseykabanets 26 December 2022 14: 57
                    +5
                    Quote: karabas-barabas
                    Yep, it's the same thing right now. Is it possible to live without these two abominations,

                    Without anti-Sovietism and Nazism? Of course you can, even our state once was such that they imprisoned both for Nazism and for anti-Sovietism.))) There was a good state, excluding periods of carriage race and Gorbachevism.
                    Quote: karabas-barabas
                    like most EU countries?

                    There is no Nazism and ordinary people live very well?
              2. Alexey Lantukh
                Alexey Lantukh 26 December 2022 12: 37
                -8
                Well, where do we have Nazism in Russia? You still need to understand what Nazism is. Even in Ukraine it does not exist in its pure form. There are elements of chauvinism in Russia, but not on the part of the state, but on the part of individuals, who are not so few.
            2. kor1vet1974
              kor1vet1974 26 December 2022 12: 21
              +7
              Apparently the Yeltsin Center is not enough for you? Are you still missing the swastika? On May 9, Lenin's mausoleum is boarded up, it was to him that the banners of the defeated Nazi Germany flew ... Or is it something else?
        2. yuriy55
          yuriy55 26 December 2022 14: 57
          +6
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          If the goal of the policy of the Russian Federation (war) there would be a reunification of the three fraternal peoples of Russian, Ukrainian and Belarusian, I believe that such a goal of the policy of the Russian Federation would resonate in the hearts of the people in the Russian Federation, and if the Russian Federation were also a socially attractive country, then the response would be from Ukrainians and Belarusians.

          Do you believe that the change of Russian oligarchs to Ukrainian ones will resonate in the hearts of the Russian people or (I don’t know if there are oligarchs in the Republic of Belarus), or Ukrainians and Belarusians sleep and see when Abramovichs and Deripaskas start rummaging in their pockets, and some someday Potanin will arrange an ecological catastrophe on the Dnieper or on the Western Dvina ...
          The power of the Soviets in the near future is in question, unlike the power of the oligarchs and other cynic liberals.
          It was under Soviet rule that all the goals were clear and the ways to achieve them were clear, as were the results ... Another thing is when we began to doubt the correctness of the chosen path or those who betrayed the USSR skillfully slipped their version on us, distorted the program of the CPSU and the principles of democratic centralism , betrayed the Soviet people and entered into an agreement with the thieves' elite and corrupt employees of the committee ...
          1. alekseykabanets
            alekseykabanets 26 December 2022 15: 53
            +3
            Quote: yuriy55
            I don’t know if there are oligarchs in Belarus

            There!
            Quote: yuriy55
            or Ukrainians and Belarusians sleep and see when Abramovichs and Deripaskas start rummaging in their pockets, and some Potanin will arrange an ecological disaster on the Dnieper or on the Western Dvina ...

            This is how it is at first
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            The first is the socialization (nationalization) of the oil and gas complex and the direction of income from it only for the industrialization of the country. The second is the nationalization of the banking system and the subordination of the central bank to the interests of the country, i.e. a change in the financial policy of the state towards the development of industry, and not the enrichment of individual characters. The third is the complete and universal "zeroing" of ALL loans. Fourth, the introduction of a life sentence for corruption and confiscation of the property of corrupt officials and their relatives.

            And then everything else, all the more so by law, these requirements are not prohibited. Otherwise, we will see with our own eyes the collapse and defragmentation of the Russian Federation, I think that none of those present will like it.
        3. fakir88
          fakir88 26 December 2022 22: 31
          -1
          The third is the complete and universal "zeroing" of ALL loans.

          Those. offer to nullify all deposits and collapse the banking system. You, I hope, understand where the bank takes money for loans, or rather, where does the money go from deposits? Well, in this case, the country will really not be recognized in 5 years. By the way, you can also offer to transfer all private property to state property and lease it to the current owners, and what, since money from deposits is taken for the "common good", then private property is also possible. And what a brilliant plan. Looks especially cool
          socialization (nationalization) of the oil and gas complex

          If this means the transfer to the ownership of the state, then it still owns the oil and gas sector by 50 percent or more (depending on the company), i.e. has a casting vote. Yes, and by law it can tweak the direction of cash flows, as it already did this year by 1,25 trillion from Gazprom through an increase in the severance tax.
          And so it all started well ...
          1. alekseykabanets
            alekseykabanets 27 December 2022 08: 30
            0
            Quote from fakir88
            Those. offer to nullify all deposits and collapse the banking system.

            And why do I need a hundred or five hundred organizations of usurers? One state bank is enough. Under the USSR, this worked great.
            Quote from fakir88
            exactly where does the money from deposits go?

            First of all, into the pockets of usurers.))) Is this incomprehensible?
            Quote from fakir88
            If this means the transfer to the ownership of the state, then it still owns the oil and gas sector by 50 percent or more ...

            Apparently you do not understand the difference between a JSC and a state enterprise at all.
            1. fakir88
              fakir88 27 December 2022 11: 27
              +2
              And why do I need a hundred or five hundred organizations of usurers?

              There is such a beautiful word - competition, even from Sberbank it was able to make a completely digestible bank with a relatively normal level of service, and not the polar fox that was at the turn of the millennium.
              One state bank is enough. Under the USSR, this worked great.

              Without service, without progress, through the ass and queues - well, yes, that's fine.
              First of all, into the pockets of usurers.))) Is this incomprehensible?

              Where does interest on deposits come from? "Usurers" pay out of their own pocket? Maybe before the proposal to reform the state, it should at least read at least something?
              Apparently you do not understand the difference between a JSC and a state enterprise at all.

              Well, tell me. What is the difference between receiving dividends and withdrawing part of the profits to the budget? Or is the management different? Or maybe you shouldn't invent some kind of "super-efficient" entities?
              1. alekseykabanets
                alekseykabanets 27 December 2022 13: 36
                0
                Quote from fakir88
                There is such a beautiful word - competition

                Yeah, like "the market decides everything"? We know, we heard, we saw.
                Quote from fakir88
                even from Sberbank it was able to make a completely digestible bank with a relatively normal level of service

                Is this Sberbank a normal bank? What is normal about it? The fact that fines are automatically taken from the cameras, and then what can you scratch out of him? Yes, let him die the very first!
                Quote from fakir88
                Without service, without progress, through the ass and queues - well, yes, that's fine.

                There were no queues for loans under the USSR (not counting the Gorbachev period).))) And the interest was, as far as I remember, 1-2% for a housing cooperative (as it seems it was called), for example.
                Quote from fakir88
                Where does interest on deposits come from? "Usurers" pay out of their own pocket?

                Don't you want to compare the interest on a deposit with the interest on a loan? Or with the percentage at which banks take funds from the Central Bank? What is the ratio of deposits and loans today? You yourself should "something to read.")))
                Quote from fakir88
                Well, tell me. What is the difference between receiving dividends and withdrawing part of the profits to the budget?

                Why does the state need all these "shareholders"? Maybe it's better to put 100% of the profit in the budget?
                Quote from fakir88
                Or maybe you shouldn't invent some kind of "super-efficient" entities?

                And I am not at all satisfied with the efficiency of the current state. For 30 years, it has shown its "efficiency" well. Even in semi-impoverished Ukraine, it was liquidly done.
                1. fakir88
                  fakir88 27 December 2022 20: 39
                  +1
                  Yeah, like "the market decides everything"? We know, we heard, we saw.

                  Well, he decides, even for girls there are pads. As well as other products that are not important in the opinion of the old men in various "councils". And yes, a free market within a country does not mean that it should be free within the world.
                  Is this Sberbank a normal bank? What is normal about it? The fact that fines are automatically taken from the cameras, and then what can you scratch out of him? Yes, let him die the very first!

                  Are you like a shrimp, whoever is last in line is the one to blame? So the bank itself cannot write off anything, this is a requirement of the Central Bank and laws (or a service, but this is already with your consent). But, since the savings bank does not come to you - surprise, this is a state bank. And here we imagine that he is alone.
                  Well, yes, even I don’t write off fines “automatically” from any bank, maybe because I pay them before the start of the recovery proceedings?
                  There were no queues for loans under the USSR (not counting the Gorbachev period).))) And the interest was, as far as I remember, 1-2% for a housing cooperative (as it seems it was called), for example.

                  Is getting a loan the only reason for visiting a bank for you?
                  1-2% for a housing cooperative (as it seems it was called), for example.

                  What was the percentage of the deposit at the same time?
                  Don't you want to compare the interest on a deposit with the interest on a loan?

                  Since I do not have loans and do not use this financial instrument, let's compare it yourself, okay? Yes, be sure to consider the risks.
                  Or with the percentage at which banks take funds from the Central Bank? What is the ratio of deposits and loans today? You yourself should "something to read.")))

                  Let's compare, the base rate of the Central Bank is 7,5% deposit in savings, since it is so familiar to you 7,48 for 182 days (even a little surprised). Tinka ~ 7%, Alpha ~ 7%.
                  What is the ratio of deposits and loans today?

                  > In 2000, the volume of the deposit market was ten times larger than the credit market - 453 billion against 45 billion rubles, respectively. Over 15 years, the ratio of the volume of deposits to the volume of loans in the banking system "fell" from 7,3 to 2,2.
                  This is from banks.ru statistics from the renaissance loan.
                  Hunt is fresh / in a different bank - look for yourself.
                  Why does the state need all these "shareholders"? Maybe it's better to put 100% of the profit in the budget?

                  Why does the government issue bonds? Maybe to raise money? In your understanding, how do shareholders appear? Have you heard of an IPO?
                  And 100% profit to the budget implies that all risks will also be on the budget.
                  And I am not at all satisfied with the efficiency of the current state. For 30 years, it has shown its "efficiency" well. Even in semi-impoverished Ukraine, it was liquidly done.

                  AND? What's next? Now the country is run by guys from the USSR, most of the Soviet nomenklatura (or their descendants) remained in power both in the regions and in the capital, only party cards were burned and now they speak badly about the USSR, although they think in the old way. Only before the nomenklatura buried paintings in the country, like other valuables, now they are buying real estate in other countries. In terms of theft, the statistics have certainly deteriorated significantly. Only there were opportunities for ordinary people to earn money, not for all specialties and not always, but at least that way.
                  But, in general, it does not matter, we are discussing here your desire to zero out all loans, along with deposits or most deposits.
            2. prorab_ak
              prorab_ak 27 December 2022 13: 53
              0
              Under the USSR, it worked great

              So beautiful that it was one of the main reasons for its collapse.
              Apparently you do not understand the difference between a JSC and a state enterprise at all.

              And your analytics gives you such an expert .... what kind of cannon shot should not be allowed to approach the Ministry of Finance
              How many utopians from the sect of the USSR are here .... and you can’t uproot anything
              1. alekseykabanets
                alekseykabanets 27 December 2022 15: 38
                0
                Quote: prorab_ak
                And your analytics gives you such an expert .... what kind of cannon shot should not be allowed to approach the Ministry of Finance

                When there is nothing to object to, liberal "experts" become personal?
                Quote: prorab_ak
                How many utopians from the sect of the USSR are here .... and you can’t uproot anything

                How many liberals from the Chubais-Yeltsin sect are here ... and you can’t uproot anything.
                Quote: prorab_ak
                So beautiful that it was one of the main reasons for its collapse.

                Maybe you and all the other reasons for its collapse will try to voice?
                1. fakir88
                  fakir88 27 December 2022 20: 54
                  -1
                  Maybe you and all the other reasons for its collapse will try to voice?

                  Let me try?
                  1. The inefficiency of the state apparatus, which makes it possible to concentrate power in the hands of one person, as well as decisions on the further course of domestic and foreign policy. Which ultimately allowed Gorbachev to destroy the USSR. Now the situation is similar. The soil, of course, was prepared by previous figures, but there were chances for reform, but there were no those who could correct the course.
                  2. Inefficiency of the economy, distortions in financing, a departure from the ideas of distributing benefits from production capacities.
                  3. Lack of competition, which led to the underdevelopment of the consumer market due to the lack of need to work on the product.
                  4. Problems of formation of motivation for activities in the leadership.
                  You can write many more points, although most of them are a consequence of the first and last point, because the monopolization of power is good when people like Stalin are at the helm, no matter how I feel about him, but the effectiveness of his activities cannot be disputed. But it also does not make it possible to compensate for the damage from the actions of people like Gorbachev. And the problem of formation of motivation leads to unwillingness to conduct productive activities among the majority of employees, i.e. "Fuck me to work, if it's enough to perform part of the functions to get a salary, they won't pay more anyway."
                  1. alekseykabanets
                    alekseykabanets 28 December 2022 07: 11
                    0
                    Quote from fakir88
                    1. The inefficiency of the state apparatus, which makes it possible to concentrate power in the hands of one person, as well as decisions on the further course of domestic and foreign policy. Which ultimately allowed Gorbachev to destroy the USSR. Now the situation is similar. The soil, of course, was prepared by previous figures, but there were chances for reform, but there were no those who could correct the course.

                    The inefficiency of the state apparatus, which made it possible to concentrate power in the hands of one person, appeared only under Stalin, and then there was no talk of inefficiency, the state machine was very effective, which was shown by the Second World War. Another thing is that the decisions of Stalin and his associates later allowed Khrushchev to receive an irremovable, bourgeois paid, party-bureaucratic stratum, in whose hands all power was concentrated. Brezhnev did not want to change this situation, but aggravated it even more by starting to "treat" the economy with bourgeois methods, as a result of which they got a "shadow" market, and, accordingly, those "shadow businessmen" whose interests were expressed by Gorbachev and his comrades. You are well aware of the rest, as a result of criminal privatization, these businessmen received real power and built a state that protects their interests.
                    Quote from fakir88
                    2. Inefficiency of the economy, distortions in financing, a departure from the ideas of distributing benefits from production capacities.

                    I don’t know about the distortions in funding, I didn’t see them, there was a long-term plan, according to which, for example, mechanical engineering first developed, and then the chemical industry.
                    Quote from fakir88
                    3. Lack of competition, which led to the underdevelopment of the consumer market due to the lack of need to work on the product.

                    This was canceled by Khrushchev, along with artels and cooperatives, read the tax code of 1936, you will find a lot of interesting things in it.
                    Quote from fakir88
                    4. Problems of formation of motivation for activities in the leadership.

                    In the late USSR, what kind of motivation is already, they already knew that if they didn’t “muck up” a lot, then they would sit in a warm place for themselves.))) This is all about the question of the “irreplaceable, paid by the bourgeois-party apparatus,” then what Lenin warned about.
          2. gsev
            gsev 1 January 2023 13: 38
            0
            Quote from fakir88
            Those. offer to nullify all deposits and collapse the banking system. You, I hope, understand where the bank takes money for loans, or rather, where does the money go from deposits?

            In the USSR, banks had to be quickly nationalized. And after their nationalization, the Bolsheviks restored the territorial integrity of the country for a little over 30 years and carried out industrialization, weaned the peasants from eating quinoa and offered them to switch to rice, corn, and dried fruits. According to economic calculations, the average payback period for invested funds is about 7 years, which is about 15% per year. Such interest on loans and large ones lead to the degradation of the economy. If, with a loan interest rate of more than 15% per annum, it is possible to keep industrial production at the same level or increase it by 2-3%, then this simply leads to the fact that the children of the developer of submarine detection tools will not follow in the footsteps of their parents, but will begin to work in the banker's stable and it is good that the family of these specialists will decide to give birth to a child when the mother turns 45 years old. This is a real fact. Another example of the exaggerated influence of banks, when a family who graduated from the Moscow Aviation Institute, after working for a while at the institute for the creation of anti-ship air defense, decides to abruptly change their specialty and become Chubais' partners in laundering money for him. and farsightedly begin to purposefully prepare their daughters for resettlement abroad, taking them to Belgium and teaching them to eat local buns and croissants in Brussels cafes. Also a real fact from the life of my relatives. If Putin wants to stop the death of designers in the military-industrial complex or the flight of them and their children to the financial sector or the computer game industry or simply abroad, then he must moderate the appetites of the banking sector. In the USSR, bank tellers led a rather ascetic lifestyle and did not exceed the income of the limiters of AZLK, the Likhachev plant and MSZ in terms of income. Therefore, the USSR managed to build a more powerful press than the USA, create Mriya, overtake the USA in manned space orbital flights. As soon as the shadow incomes of shoe sellers and the official incomes of workers began to exceed the salaries of engineers, the degradation and collapse of the USSR became inevitable.
      2. paul3390
        paul3390 26 December 2022 09: 19
        +14
        defeat Nazism, only the Ukrainians themselves can

        Excuse me - why should they defeat Nazism ?? With him, after all, it is so pleasant and understandable to live .. In all problems, anyone is to blame, except you. And it's clear who to hate for them. Very, very comfortable..

        If you remember, not a single people like Nazism itself defeated its own. They always helped him in this from the life-giving stars ..
        1. yuriy55
          yuriy55 26 December 2022 15: 05
          +2
          Quote: paul3390
          If you remember, not a single people like Nazism itself defeated its own.

          Terrible guesses about the similarity of Nazism and capitalism arise in the head. Nazism preaches racial hatred (the supremacy of the "master race") ... Capitalism cultivates social inequality, preaches the principles of the CCV and the theory of the "golden billion" ...
          Horseradish radish is not sweeter ...
        2. prorab_ak
          prorab_ak 27 December 2022 14: 00
          +2
          Excuse me - why should they defeat Nazism ?? With him, after all, it is so pleasant and understandable to live .. In all problems, anyone is to blame, except you. And it's clear who to hate for them. Very, very comfortable..

          It looks very much like one state ... whose population is now so attached to the TV screens .... until you tear it, you won't tear it off. And they sing from the box for 6-8 hours a day about what a false and hostile world is around, and there are only enemies around. Well, right on your quote and spit))
          If you remember, not a single people like Nazism itself defeated its own. They always helped him in this from the life-giving stars ..

          Here ... this is the danger, only not life-giving, but non-illusory
      3. Churchill
        Churchill 26 December 2022 09: 42
        -4
        Read the definition of NAZISM in a political dictionary, raise your level of knowledge.
      4. Puzoter
        Puzoter 26 December 2022 13: 30
        +2
        Only the complete defeat and liquidation of the state of Ukraine. Everything else is worse than it was before SVO.
    2. Barberry25
      Barberry25 26 December 2022 09: 26
      +1
      the author is right that the negotiations will not give anything from the word at all, since the West has directly stated that it will not comply with any agreements
    3. Stas157
      Stas157 26 December 2022 09: 35
      +5
      Quote: parusnik
      Everything is in a bunch .. The author, this conflict is not interethnic ..

      Exactly. What does the Serbs and Albanians have to do with it? Will they tell us about the goals?
    4. Vic Vic
      Vic Vic 26 December 2022 18: 34
      +1
      The author writes about this that it is not known what "victory" is in this case
  6. Ezekiel 25-17
    Ezekiel 25-17 26 December 2022 05: 49
    -11
    The Nazis must be DESTROYED, albeit by the fire of the Mhabharata, as long as at least one Nazi is alive on the planet Earth, she will not have peace. The Kosovo variant is a dream on a powder keg with a lit wick.
  7. Nikolay Malyugin
    Nikolay Malyugin 26 December 2022 05: 57
    -1
    Victory is not going anywhere. But this requires a serious attitude of society and the economy. Judging by the news, there is now a rise in enthusiasm in society. Whoever says it better will have the flag in his hands. rear. By Serbia. Their territory was simply squeezed out. Some are squeezed out, others give it away themselves. And thirty years later they grab their heads. Like, what have we done. Just like in a song.
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 26 December 2022 07: 37
      +15
      Quote: Nikolai Malyugin
      Victory is not going anywhere. But this requires a serious attitude of society and the economy. Judging by the news, there is now a rise in enthusiasm in society. Whoever says it better will have the flag in his hands. rear. By Serbia. Their territory was simply squeezed out. Some are squeezed out, others give it away themselves. And thirty years later they grab their heads. Like, what have we done. Just like in a song.

      On the contrary, it collapsed after mobilization, all followers and lovers of Z and V disappeared. After the call, there will be another mobilization, and then finally all the strippers of vests will remain only among the completely unsuitable for service layers of the population.
      1. alexey sidykin
        alexey sidykin 26 December 2022 09: 52
        -13
        Quote: BlackMokona
        Quote: Nikolai Malyugin
        Victory is not going anywhere. But this requires a serious attitude of society and the economy. Judging by the news, there is now a rise in enthusiasm in society. Whoever says it better will have the flag in his hands. rear. By Serbia. Their territory was simply squeezed out. Some are squeezed out, others give it away themselves. And thirty years later they grab their heads. Like, what have we done. Just like in a song.

        On the contrary, it collapsed after mobilization, all followers and lovers of Z and V disappeared. After the call, there will be another mobilization, and then finally all the strippers of vests will remain only among the completely unsuitable for service layers of the population.

        Dream dream...
      2. Vic Vic
        Vic Vic 26 December 2022 18: 36
        -2
        We'll just work to win, gritting our teeth
    2. CirclePit
      CirclePit 26 December 2022 09: 30
      +8
      According to the news?
      Is it from the first channel or from Solovyov?
    3. Alexey Lantukh
      Alexey Lantukh 26 December 2022 12: 39
      +4
      Society yes, for victory, etc. Individuals, of which there are many, do not want to go to war. Such is life.
      1. Puzoter
        Puzoter 26 December 2022 13: 34
        -9
        They do not need to want - for this there are institutions of conscription and mobilization. You might think someone once wanted. Yes, I will say more - those called up and mobilized fight no worse, and often better than those who "want". He who desires, he desires today, but does not desire tomorrow, but mobilized, even through unwillingness, he fulfills his duty.
        1. Alexander Emrys
          Alexander Emrys 26 December 2022 17: 05
          0
          Quote: puzoter
          They do not need to want - for this there are institutions of conscription and mobilization. You might think someone once wanted. Yes, I will say more - those called up and mobilized fight no worse, and often better than those who "want". He who desires, he desires today, but does not desire tomorrow, but mobilized, even through unwillingness, he fulfills his duty.

          And then they arrange revolutions and bless not Minsk3, but Brest2
  8. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 26 December 2022 06: 06
    +9
    According to the author, the Serbs are to blame in Kosovo for not obeying the wishes of the Albanians ... something the author suffered in the wrong steppe.
    As for Ukraine, after Merkel's deception of Putin, it became clear that the peace agreements with the Ukronazis are fiction, lies and fraud.
    This territory needs to be completely reformatted, and this process is already in full swing.
    1. Pessimist22
      Pessimist22 26 December 2022 07: 35
      -2
      I agree with you, Ukraine needs to be dismembered, giving away those territories that were annexed to them after the war, and we must take our lands, Odessa, Nikolaev, Kharkov.
  9. Keer
    Keer 26 December 2022 06: 22
    +4
    after the statement of President Putin and Minister Shoigu
    well, more coffee grounds, after a cup of coffee, and Vanga, saying something, in a shaggy year.
  10. Li17
    Li17 26 December 2022 06: 49
    -11
    I already wrote on this topic, Ukraine is being cleared to create a new state... There will be no Ukrainians there. Our strategic task is Crimea, the restoration of states and territories that were Russian and will ensure the security of Crimea and Russia, we need a passage to Transnistria, control over the Black Sea coast, the British should not be there!
    And our commander-in-chief would need to clean up his "friends" of the Abramovichs, this is the danger for all of us.
    Glory to Ukraine as part of the Russian Federation! (30 minutes for this I was hit at my address ... fixed it! So let's check again)
    1. alexey sidykin
      alexey sidykin 26 December 2022 09: 54
      -9
      Quote: lithium17
      I already wrote on this topic, Ukraine is being cleared to create a new state... There will be no Ukrainians there. Our strategic task is Crimea, the restoration of states and territories that were Russian and will ensure the security of Crimea and Russia, we need a passage to Transnistria, control over the Black Sea coast, the British should not be there!
      And our commander-in-chief would need to clean up his "friends" of the Abramovichs, this is the danger for all of us.
      Glory to Ukraine as part of the Russian Federation! (30 minutes for this I was hit at my address ... fixed it! So let's check again)

      Nmkakogo state on the territory of Ukraine will not. They will be included in separate regions, and the creation of another state is "a bast and a bast, start over"
    2. Alexey Lantukh
      Alexey Lantukh 26 December 2022 12: 42
      +2
      Ukraine within Russia. Not bad. However, a dream. While the Donbass and the South are looming without the city of Kherson, Nikolaev and Odessa.
  11. Boris Sergeev
    Boris Sergeev 26 December 2022 06: 58
    +17
    Yu. Baranchik: "How would the citizens of the USSR feel if the People's Commissar for Foreign Affairs Molotov constantly said that we remain open to constructive peace negotiations and complained that for some reason Germany refuses to agree on a freeze on hostilities, although all wars one way or another end at the negotiating table.
    Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR Lazar Kaganovich would talk about the schedule for the allocation and supply of railway cars to fulfill the contractual deliveries of oil from the USSR to the territory of the Reich with their transit through the combat zone in the Ukrainian SSR.
    And in addition to reports from the fronts from the Soviet Information Bureau, there were regular speeches by the "leader of the peoples" who would tell Soviet citizens that the Soviet Union was and remains a reliable trading partner, never violating its treaty obligations and committed to detente international tension and the cause of world peace.

    Such "subjunctive moods" now look absurd, since they are not compatible with the exploits of Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya, Alexander Matrosov, Alexei Maresyev and Dmitry Karbyshev.
  12. Gardamir
    Gardamir 26 December 2022 07: 07
    +7
    Varkalo.
    Flimsy shorts poked around the nave
    And the grunts grunted
    Like muamziki in mov.
    There is more information in these verses than in the article and some of the comments. And the shabby yellow-black ensign and the tricolor besik must be covered with red lead. Here is the solution to the problem.
    1. kor1vet1974
      kor1vet1974 26 December 2022 08: 27
      +7
      There is more information in these verses than in the article and some of the comments.
      SVO, in the interests of the oligarchs, both Ukrainian and Russian ..
      Times of Troulyul and Thrall
      We decided to piss each other off.
      Due to the fact that trawl
      Ruined the rattle -
      good and new
      Spoiled the rattle.
    2. alexey sidykin
      alexey sidykin 26 December 2022 09: 55
      -8
      Quote: Gardamir
      Varkalo.
      Flimsy shorts poked around the nave
      And the grunts grunted
      Like muamziki in mov.
      There is more information in these verses than in the article and some of the comments. And the shabby yellow-black ensign and the tricolor besik must be covered with red lead. Here is the solution to the problem.

      Let's get you covered, shall we?
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 26 December 2022 13: 01
        +6
        See the picture at the beginning of the article.
        And looking at my own, I am finally convinced that the Soviet Union, even with its shortcomings, is better than the federal bourgeoisie.
  13. Galleon
    Galleon 26 December 2022 07: 20
    +14
    While the thaw, we will release as we are with the political information of the political officer! Let him tell you something.
    An article from the PPR series - sat down .. etc. It takes the time of readers, fills the content and does not oblige (again) the author to be responsible for his words. Finding fault with the content is pointless, as is the content itself.
  14. However, dear
    However, dear 26 December 2022 07: 20
    +10
    So, and Ukraine does not want negotiations. On the contrary. She has strong support behind her. The article somehow does not fit with the real state of affairs.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 26 December 2022 13: 03
      +4
      It’s just that everyone is embarrassed to remember who started, what on February 24, what in 2014.
      1. Puzoter
        Puzoter 26 December 2022 13: 41
        -4
        What difference does it make who started it? As if no one, in my opinion, is ashamed of preventive actions now, or am I wrong?
      2. Puzoter
        Puzoter 26 December 2022 13: 42
        -4
        The Americans condemned Bout for a long term for "intentions". The question is, who started it first?
        1. Puzoter
          Puzoter 28 December 2022 13: 08
          0
          Hey minusers, but where is the answer to the question? Minus put in the bushes?
  15. nemez
    nemez 26 December 2022 07: 32
    0
    Well, we need a direct border with Hungary, as well as with Moldova, Orban will only become bolder when he finds out that he can be supported. Yes, and Ukrainians in Hungary are not favored.
  16. Boris55
    Boris55 26 December 2022 07: 40
    -2
    Quote: A. Staver
    But what is victory is still not clear.

    I understand this as a change of the current government in Kyiv to a pro-Russian one.

    Conducting referendums in all remaining regions of Ukraine on the status of regions as federations within Ukraine or within Russia. The entry of federal Ukraine into the union state of Russia-Belarus.

    There can be no neutral status of Ukraine - this train has already left.
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  19. Kuziming
    Kuziming 26 December 2022 08: 15
    +2
    Good day. The author is accused of lack of clarity. I do not agree. The main conclusion is correct. There is no political solution to this conflict.
    However, if you say A, you must also say B.
    How can this sad cataclysm end?
    Let's look at the goals of American puppeteers.
    1. Their main goal was to weaken Russia. Have they achieved this by military means?
    Our goal should be to strengthen Russia. Accordingly, constructive criticism, elimination of shortcomings, and a technological breakthrough.
    2. The second goal of respected American partners is to gain access to Russia's resources.
    As long as we, with the stubbornness of maniacs, offer them cheap oil and gas, ammonia, fertilizers, etc. in exchange for weapons for Ukraine, military operations will be beneficial for them.
    So the redirection of the flow of resources to Asia is justified. Resumption only after the stoppage of military assistance to Ukraine.
    3. Ukraine is not subjective. This is the instrument of the Onslaught to the East.
    The line Zhytomyr - Vinnitsa can become a technical dividing line along the narrowest isthmus. This purely technically minimizes the line of contact between hostile forces: Western civilization and Russia.

    Conclusions:
    We need to make sure that every day operations in Ukraine lead to a shift in the balance in the direction of Russia's transition from being a resource appendage to being a country with a manufacturing economy.

    The technical problem of defeating Ukraine depends only on the volume of American aid.

    It is in Russia's interests to minimize human casualties and eliminate the technological superiority of the West.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 26 December 2022 09: 14
      +4
      Quote from Kuziming
      The technical problem of defeating Ukraine depends only on the volume of American aid.

      Now, unfortunately, yes. Brought the situation. And the help is only growing.
      1. Kuziming
        Kuziming 26 December 2022 09: 37
        +1
        There are options for a constant increase, there are options for a wave-like attenuation. It depends on the possibility of achieving the intended goals.
  20. tarragon
    tarragon 26 December 2022 08: 16
    -1
    Everything is said correctly. A protracted conflict ends with the surrender of one of the parties, so only the surrender of Ukraine will be the end of the conflict. And for this, everything, absolutely all means are good.
    1. Alexander Emrys
      Alexander Emrys 26 December 2022 17: 14
      +3
      Quote: Tarhun
      Everything is said correctly. A protracted conflict ends with the surrender of one of the parties, so only the surrender of Ukraine will be the end of the conflict. And for this, everything, absolutely all means are good.

      Even the establishment of the National Socialist regime in the Russian Federation, if this guarantees the surrender of Ukraine? Or did you get excited about "absolutely all means are good"?
  21. kor1vet1974
    kor1vet1974 26 December 2022 08: 17
    +4
    is the signing of an act of unconditional surrender.
    Unconditional surrender - the cessation of hostilities throughout the conflict, the demilitarization and surrender of all the armed forces of one of the parties without any conditions, that is, no guarantees are given to the capitulating state. The state loses its independence, and its territory is occupied (that is, it is engaged in the armed forces of the enemy state), a person appointed by the victorious side stands at the head of the state. Also, the winner can change the borders and territories of the state, determine the future political settlement, determine the sanctions and responsibility of the defeated state (indemnity), bring the main war criminals to justice. Surrender - an agreement to end resistance and the surrender of the armed forces of one of the warring states. Surrender usually takes place on terms laid down by the victor or on terms negotiated by the belligerents. As a rule, these conditions are not at all in favor of the surrendered side, but the winner can make some concessions.
    Will we “liberate” the entire territory of Ukraine? Do the people there want it? Or will we again pick out “foresters” from caches for 10–15 years? Will we change the political regime of Ukraine? We just remove the president and hold fair elections?
    So, in fact, what kind of surrender do you want? .. And even more so our leadership?
  22. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 26 December 2022 08: 18
    +3
    What is the future of this pseudo-state?
    Yes, quite understandable. This is another Nagorno-Karabakh in the near future.
    Karabakh is not recognized by anyone. The pseudo-state, according to the author, will be recognized by Russia and Ukraine - this is a fundamental difference.
  23. art having
    art having 26 December 2022 08: 23
    +3
    I rolled the sheet, but did not voice anything new or original ...
  24. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 26 December 2022 08: 30
    +1
    The only option that makes sense (he was like that from the very beginning) is, firstly, to stop lying to the people, like a mangy dog ​​on someone else's cart. And finally call the war a war! Gaining some kind of "international pluses" due to the fact that the people, once again, feel deceived and fooled, is extremely, even prohibitively stupid. Just in style...
    The war must be waged until the capture of Kyiv and reaching the borders that suit us economically. The entire Zapadenshchina, as well as some of the other pieces, once taken by Russian soldiers, will have to be distributed. Moreover, this must be done in such a way that the invader countries unambiguously recognize themselves as invaders! No false Ukrainians, they took the land for themselves, so they took it.
    After that, the very name Ukraine should be abolished. Along with this cool "language". Russia and all. Yes, there will be "forest brothers" and other abominations. Executions for those who managed to kill people, and merciless deportation, along with their families, even for everyday "Ukrainianism". We don't need these people at all. At all. At all. The land there is magnificent, and the people are basically that ... It’s better not to have anything to do with them. And yes, they will be thrown at us more than once. Well, that's how it will happen. But if we stop lying to our people and fidgeting as if in a frying pan, we will at least know who are our own and who are enemies. Stop fooling around, guys. There are Russians in Ukraine, and many. And there are Ukrainians, Ukrainians, and they are enemies. That's all...
    1. Thorvlobnor IV
      Thorvlobnor IV 26 December 2022 09: 35
      +1
      Bravo! Bravo! At the Hitler cosplay competition, you would have received the Grand Prix! He also wrote down entire nations as enemies, and found the best use for them in concentration camps. He also lacked living space for a great nation.
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 26 December 2022 12: 22
        -5
        I focus more on Stalin, who sent people out for betrayal with an unwavering hand. And Hitler shot everyone and gassed everyone. If you don't see the difference... then I know who's paying you. Yes, you don’t really hide, right?) Well, at least you can see who the enemy is, and that’s bread ...
        1. Thorvlobnor IV
          Thorvlobnor IV 26 December 2022 14: 46
          +5
          Don't you think that the planet has already played enough of these gloomy games: the expulsion of peoples, genocide, the forcible annexation of territories? You yourself propose not to lie to people in the face and honestly admit that we are returning to the era of empires and the forced conversion of "savages" to the true faith (choose the brand of faith to taste).
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          2. Essex62
            Essex62 27 December 2022 02: 08
            -2
            Humanity will never stop playing these games. You can't teach a predator to eat grass. And man is a superintelligent predator. You can put a partial block by limiting the social structure. Only this should be universal. How to do this, for 8 or how many billions of us there, is unknown. There will always be genocide and war. Until the change to the next civilization.
            1. Thorvlobnor IV
              Thorvlobnor IV 27 December 2022 11: 41
              0
              Well, in Europe after WWII there was a change of civilization. No one else is going to fight and genocide, they live in a common house with transparent interior borders. Now they are fighting only in Africa and the Middle East, because the big uncles have no compromise on achieving peace. Big uncles know perfectly well that trading is more profitable than fighting, but they cannot compromise their principles and form general rules of conduct.
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  26. Million
    Million 26 December 2022 08: 47
    0
    There will be no surrender. There will be negotiations. Maybe some territories will go to us.
    It is not Putin who decides, nor the Ministry of Defense what to do.
    Otherwise, the war would have ended long ago.
    1. alexey sidykin
      alexey sidykin 26 December 2022 09: 58
      -10
      Quote: Million
      There will be no surrender. There will be negotiations. Maybe some territories will go to us.
      It is not Putin who decides, nor the Ministry of Defense what to do.
      Otherwise, the war would have ended long ago.

      And you stood behind them, why are you talking so confidently?
      1. Million
        Million 26 December 2022 10: 09
        +4
        And you would try to think with your head.
        To start .
        There are facts, based on which you can draw some conclusions.
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 26 December 2022 10: 25
          -4
          Quote: Million
          There are facts

          For example ..... what are the facts?
          1. Million
            Million 26 December 2022 10: 41
            +5
            Probably already a big boy. You don’t need to go to the library now, everything can be found even with the help of a phone. sudden surrender, special Ukrainian railways, which even the Supreme Commander cannot allow to bomb.
            Think.
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 26 December 2022 10: 58
              -6
              Quote: Million
              Probably a big boy

              Yes, I’ll say more, far from being a boy.
              Quote: Million
              If you need to poke your nose

              I'm not interested in tantrums.
              Quote: Million
              rapid advance and retreat, capture-surrender, strange negotiations involving strange characters, the capture of Kherson and its sudden surrender

              Well, yes, there is no comparison with the game of tanks, here you are right!
              Quote: Million
              allow to bomb which even the Supreme cannot.

              Is this the advertised fact?
              I beg you))) Suck the problem out of your finger and then scream at every corner that we were leaked .... not tired?
              1. Million
                Million 26 December 2022 11: 10
                +1
                As the character of one movie said
                There are many of these in VO.
                1. Serg65
                  Serg65 26 December 2022 11: 37
                  -5
                  Quote: Million
                  There are many of these in VO.

                  3/4, especially after the Maidan, they smeared you with honey here!
                  1. Million
                    Million 26 December 2022 11: 48
                    +1
                    You are even less intelligent.
                    Clip thinking, like Buzova’s. Well, it’s forgivable for her.
                    1. Serg65
                      Serg65 27 December 2022 07: 26
                      -2
                      Quote: Million
                      You turned out to be even less smart

                      I am always tormented by the question ... why do liberal communists, when something goes against their opinion, always start to be rude? Will you answer?
              2. prorab_ak
                prorab_ak 27 December 2022 14: 38
                +1
                And it seems to be the other way around. Nick old-people new.
                For example, yes ... it seems that a stupid loser of a fresh release sat down at the clave and spat on the clave, constantly looking into the training manual
        2. alexey sidykin
          alexey sidykin 26 December 2022 21: 25
          -1
          Quote: Million
          And you would try to think with your head.
          To start .
          There are facts, based on which you can draw some conclusions.

          What are the facts? We do not have facts but conjectures. We swim too shallow to have facts on our hands. Come down from heaven to earth and start looking at life more sensibly and not hovering in the clouds. And then it hurts to fall.
    2. karabas-barabas
      karabas-barabas 26 December 2022 14: 42
      -5
      The only one who can end the war even today is Putin. You just need to order to finish the database and withdraw the troops. And that's it, the war is over. No territories, like since 2014, have been ceded to the Russian Federation, neither Crimea, nor others, since the whole world is considered "temporarily occupied", and no one will ever recognize the territories from February 2022 as Russian. It's just that many here were so carried away by the process that they really believed in the implementation of the insane plans of Putin and his associates, it is not clear what justified them.
      1. Essex62
        Essex62 27 December 2022 02: 16
        +1
        It doesn’t give a damn about the fact that someone there does not recognize Crimea as Russian, in fact it is. And the division of the USSR is generally illegal, because it was not carried out by the legitimate power of usurpers.
      2. gsev
        gsev 30 December 2022 18: 12
        0
        Quote: karabas-barabas
        You just need to order to finish the database and withdraw the troops. And that's it, the war is over. No territories, like since 2014, have been ceded to the Russian Federation, neither Crimea, nor others, since the whole world is considered "temporarily occupied", and no one will ever recognize the territories from February 2022 as Russian.

        It is easier to launch a nuclear strike on Ukraine with about 50 warheads. This will really weaken the resources of our adversary. And the surrender of Crimea and Donbass will only strengthen it and stimulate further actions against Russia. Then you will have to fight directly with Germany, the USA and Japan for about. Wrangel, Kuriles, Kaliningrad region. Still, it is better to enter into a thermonuclear war with NATO and Japan, having Donbass and Crimea, than not having these territories. Victory in the war is determined by the ability of Russia to destroy more than 500 punishers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Until this is done, there will be no time for diplomacy.
    3. prorab_ak
      prorab_ak 27 December 2022 14: 34
      0
      And why in the first case, NOT Putin, and in the second, NOT the Ministry of Defense?
  27. Stas157
    Stas157 26 December 2022 08: 59
    +9
    . The fact that we simply have to win is understandable. And here what is victory – is still not clear.

    Well, you must! Even the omniscient Staver does not know what victory in the current operation means. Suddenly.

    Obviously, those bots that splash saliva prove to us that the goals are clear as God's day - are in a clear minority.
    One of them even said that it is not at all necessary for us to know the goals.
    I am amazed by the situation that every time getting into a mess, there are very confident people who explain everything in a positive way - a black dog is washed to white.
  28. n-Stozhar
    n-Stozhar 26 December 2022 09: 03
    -3
    Fontanka .ru wrote thirty minutes ago ... they shot down a Ukrainian drone over the airfield, killed three servicemen with shrapnel ... how do the Petersburgers know?
    1. alexey sidykin
      alexey sidykin 26 December 2022 09: 59
      -2
      Quote: n-Stozhar
      Fontanka .ru wrote thirty minutes ago ... they shot down a Ukrainian drone over the airfield, killed three servicemen with shrapnel ... how do the Petersburgers know?

      Yes, the fountain is such a source ... not much different from AIDS-INFO
      1. would
        would 26 December 2022 13: 45
        0
        And Interfax with reference to the Ministry of Defense?
        1. alexey sidykin
          alexey sidykin 26 December 2022 21: 21
          0
          Quote: rait
          And Interfax with reference to the Ministry of Defense?

          Official messages appeared later than the writing of the comment. Do you also not have marks for replies to comments, or is it buggy for me?
  29. setter
    setter 26 December 2022 09: 07
    +13
    Kherson is a Russian city! Nobody will give it away! And exchange for some other too! So that's enough...
    Posted by: Alexander Staver


    Well, my conclusion on Ukraine.

    There will be no more negotiations.
    Posted by: Alexander Staver
  30. NG inform
    NG inform 26 December 2022 09: 08
    -8
    We need zero tolerance for the pro-Western zombie behavior of people. This behavior should be openly studied by psychiatrists and treated with a special pedagogical operation (denazification). This should happen not only in relation to Ukraine, but also to Russia.
    Second, without which nothing makes sense, we need a reorganization of our society and a return to a system in which every woman, on average, has three children, and these children are ready for an active life. These are sanctions against childfrees, whores of all stripes (regardless of gender), this is a restriction on divorces, and again - the retraining of people for a healthy form of life.
    And, globally, the management cannot be incompetent. A diploma is not a sign of competence.
  31. Sergey028
    Sergey028 26 December 2022 09: 40
    +2
    Alexander Staver, well done!!! Victory will be ours!!! The enemy will be defeated!!!

    Have the goals changed? But I remember that at the beginning of the NWO there were "denazification" and "demilitarization", and now it is stated that the NWO began to protect people in the Donbass ...

    What will victory look like, someone from those who started the CBO formulated? No? So how do we know when we win?
    There will be no contracts? Remember how they "exchanged" British mercenaries and assassins from a Nazi regiment for a sun-faced godfather, at the same time, the same assassin ... to an abrashka, fitted the guys with a new iPhone. Remember how passionately you described the heroic defense of Kherson in your article ... And? Do you still believe those people who broadcast propaganda from TV? Personally, after the pension "reforms", I do not believe the word at all.
    The army should not be reformed, but restored, starting with the military-industrial complex enterprises.
    Alexander Staver, take off those rose-colored glasses already.
    1. alexey sidykin
      alexey sidykin 26 December 2022 10: 01
      0
      Quote: Sergey028
      Have the goals changed? But I remember that at the beginning of the NWO there were "denazification" and "demilitarization", and now it is stated that the NWO began to protect people in the Donbass ...

      Have you just woken up? The goals have already changed. Now the gathering of the Russian people.
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  33. solar
    solar 26 December 2022 10: 23
    0
    Roughly speaking, the Kosovo Serbs went to unbalance the political system of Kosovo.

    The author bypassed the original cause of the conflict. Kosovo has introduced a rule that cars used there must have Kosovo registration and numbers.
    In fact, many Serbs registered cars in Serbia, although they permanently resided and used them in Kosovo.
    When the authorities of Kosovo began to advance, what the author writes went further - the Serbs left the Kosovo police and began to build barricades.
  34. filibuster
    filibuster 26 December 2022 10: 36
    +6
    It follows that the army is once again on the verge of serious reform. The reasons are clearly named by Sergei Shoigu. Increasing threat from NATO and shortcomings identified during the JEE. At the same time, the President of Russia stressed, it is also important, that there will be no fanaticism here. The Armed Forces will be reformed without prejudice to other sectors of the economy.


    Reforming again, so like Shoigu has been seriously reforming the army for almost 12, and if the president emphasized, then of course, he once stressed the importance of import substitution.

    Well, my conclusion on Ukraine. There will be no more negotiations.


    Just like with Kherson, which, according to the author, was also not going to be handed over, although Surovikin warned about difficult decisions much in advance.
  35. Non-fighter
    Non-fighter 26 December 2022 10: 42
    0
    As it was already written here in the comments, "if they leave at least one hectare on which artillery / MLRS can be placed, then we will get new shelling and another Avenue of Angels"
    Any negotiations with the participation of the West should begin and gestures of good will on their part should begin with the Avenue of Angels, with the investigation of each case. Moreover, not only those who shot, but also those "international observers" who saw everything and did nothing, should go to court. That's when these "elves" will receive at least 10-15 years in our prison, or even life, then we will begin negotiations with their participation.
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  36. certero
    certero 26 December 2022 10: 52
    +7
    FIG knows what shortcomings the Ministry of Defense has recognized.
    Chinese radio stations are bought and bought by fighters.
    Although, before the SVO, how many times have I read about the setocentric structure of a minicell with encrypted communication allegedly available to the Russian army.
    that on the main topic of the article, Russia simply does not have the resources to occupy Ukraine.
    The chances of defeat were in February. But then they pissed away, not using the necessary outfit of forces and means.
    But what to do now, our leadership seems to simply do not know. It floats with the flow in the hope that it will suddenly resolve itself. By the way, this option is purely theoretically possible, but practice shows that Western countries are very consistent in achieving their goals.
  37. BAI
    BAI 26 December 2022 10: 54
    +3
    Lavrov said clearly that negotiations with the West are meaningless. The West will do nothing. But, I think, as always, we will play back and we will talk.
    Although, as long as Ukraine exists, there is a constant threat of war. They will NEVER agree with the loss of territories.
    The only solution is the liquidation of Ukraine without negotiations.
    But does Russia have the strength to do so?
  38. Alex Barrett
    Alex Barrett 26 December 2022 11: 17
    -1
    Most likely there will be a draw and another eight-year burying of the line of contact in concrete. That is, the Korean version, but who will be North and who will be South, it already depends on the political preferences of the viewer
  39. vlad2000
    vlad2000 26 December 2022 11: 26
    +11
    ha .... I read and I think that the style is somehow familiar .. and this is again a couch strategist staver here gave birth to his brilliant forecast))) that staver who I remember beat himself in the chest with his heel that we won’t give Kherson. a person generally doesn’t he answers not a gram. and now he’s heaped up nonsense from a whole mountain. and dragged Kosovo and pulled our paratroopers by the ears. and what will they cut Russians in Ukraine. the other half? well, it’s only in the inflamed imagination of the staver that it can happen .... but about the war to the bitter end - something like that was heard like in the first world war. and where are those people and that empire who shouted at all corners about this? and about conducting war and equipping the army without prejudice to the economy, how is it? Are you comrade staver, what are you smoking there?)))) but in general, when equipping the army during the war, the civilian economy and the population suffer in the first place. the ostyak of the countries of the planet in all sorts of different ways, such as sanctions, purposefully ruins your economy, in what fantastic way are you going to develop it by fighting? access to the Polish-Romanian border is a question, but who do you think should pay for it with their deaths? As far as I see, you don’t really try to take the machine gun in your hands and your children and somewhere under the flint to bring us closer to the Polish border. You are all from a cozy sofa call on to storm Brussels and Washington.))) by the way ..... I call on all couch strategists who write here about the need to mobilize another 300-500 thousand people, strike with tactical nuclear weapons and attack from Belarus and North Korea themselves to come to the military registration and enlistment offices and ask for the direction of the main blow. you can just form a battalion. and if you all lie down on the battlefield, we will then erect a monument to you)) but it seems to me that you are allrear rats and only from a warm sofa in a cozy apartment you can call for someone to go to die while you drink coffee. and in your youth, it seems you never served your sacred duty to your homeland, so to speak. clerks at headquarters)))
  40. Glagol1
    Glagol1 26 December 2022 11: 36
    0
    All the arguments on how to resolve the Ukrainian crisis are now of little help. In chess there is such a position, in the endgame - either a draw or a defeat. Those. if you do not repeat the correct move, but try to look for an alternative, then you are guaranteed to lose. It is clear that in such a situation you go for a repetition of moves, a draw is better than a defeat. Also for the opponent - maybe you don't want a draw, but the alternative is a loss.
    Now ukrocrisis is in a similar position. It is impossible to exclude such an outcome that you will have to go for a draw. To not lose. A draw will be basically the same 38th parallel between the two Koreas. I don't really support this scenario, but that doesn't mean it's out of the question. Moreover, it is very likely and we still have to fight for it.
    1. solar
      solar 26 December 2022 11: 46
      +2
      In chess there is such a position, in the endgame - either a draw or a defeat.

      One gets the impression that in the long run a situation familiar from chess has developed.
      Zugzwang is a position in checkers and chess in which any move by a player leads to a deterioration in his position.

      Simply put, it's like a suitcase without a handle. It's a shame to throw it away, you can't wear it.
      Staying is hard and leaving is hard.
      1. Negro
        Negro 26 December 2022 11: 52
        0
        Quote from solar
        It's hard to stay and it's hard to leave

        And what kind of problems?
        1. Wildcat
          Wildcat 26 December 2022 13: 15
          +3
          :-)
          Problems?
          Well, for example, not all problems with drug addicts have been resolved, they are not taken into the army (and into PMCs, it is not clear whether they will take them). Let's give the floor to the commissioner for human rights: " It happens when mothers call us and ask to mobilize their sons who have problems with drugs. They think that only this will fix them. But the military commissars say that such people are not needed in the army. Therefore, now we are trying to send them to private military companies (PMCs), we have already sent requests, but we don’t know if they will take them."(c) Commissioner for Human Rights in the Sverdlovsk Region Tatyana Merzlyakova
          https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5582525

          There are other problems, some grandchildren want to help their grandfather (advertising - there are rumors - almost the legendary Companion did or people close to her, so it’s not haram. There are questions about creativity, but what is released on the social network is what it is My favorite ads are "patriot cat" and "farmer", there's a fire right there, but too much for a forum.)

          https://youtu.be/L2_49C9hu_o

          And some fathers want to give their daughter a mobile phone.

          https://youtu.be/_H67KC2BRik

          In general, a lot of problems. SVO decides.
    2. Negro
      Negro 26 December 2022 11: 50
      +2
      )))
      What do you mean by "draw"?
    3. alexey sidykin
      alexey sidykin 26 December 2022 21: 19
      0
      Quote: Glagol1
      All the arguments on how to resolve the Ukrainian crisis are now of little help. In chess there is such a position, in the endgame - either a draw or a defeat. Those. if you do not repeat the correct move, but try to look for an alternative, then you are guaranteed to lose. It is clear that in such a situation you go for a repetition of moves, a draw is better than a defeat. Also for the opponent - maybe you don't want a draw, but the alternative is a loss.
      Now ukrocrisis is in a similar position. It is impossible to exclude such an outcome that you will have to go for a draw. To not lose. A draw will be basically the same 38th parallel between the two Koreas. I don't really support this scenario, but that doesn't mean it's out of the question. Moreover, it is very likely and we still have to fight for it.

      Damn, how many great politicians we have are vegetating idle ... one thing is surprising, if every second one of us is not a strategist, then a great politician, well, well, we ended up where we ended up in the 90s.
  41. flyer
    flyer 26 December 2022 11: 54
    +1
    "Russia is striving for a speedy end to the conflict in Ukraine, it is not striving to "spin the flywheel" more," President Vladimir Putin told reporters during a press approach after the State Council meeting.
  42. Nikodim
    Nikodim 26 December 2022 11: 57
    +6
    Well, as usual, the staver has everything under control, there will be no agreements, yeah
  43. DominickS
    DominickS 26 December 2022 12: 01
    -7
    Negotiations with the global West will not lead to anything just because our opponents are not ready to recognize the equal rights of the West and Russia. The last decades of diplomatic work have shown the deceit and unwillingness to implement the decisions made by the West.

    Or maybe we should not whine, but realize that in global politics, just like in nature, the principle operates - the strongest survive. Why should the strong negotiate with the weak? The weak and insecure are beaten.
    1. Negro
      Negro 26 December 2022 12: 08
      +8
      Quote: DominickS
      Why should the strong negotiate with the weak? The weak and insecure are beaten

      Why does Cuba still exist? Venezuela? Belgium?
  44. Ulan.1812
    Ulan.1812 26 December 2022 12: 13
    -3
    It is not clear why the author made a reference to the situation in Kosovo at all.
    There is nothing in common.
    And what does "guilty of the Serbs" mean?
    They are humiliated, they are oppressed, but it turns out they are guilty?
    Or maybe the United States and NATO, which divided Yugoslavia in such a way that Kosovo included territories inhabited by Serbia without asking them?
    And on topic. I hope many heard the president's words at a recent conversation with journalists .... - "If you want to lose Ukraine, add Galicia to it."
    As a rule, Putin does not say anything in vain.
    Was this stuffing a preparation of the population for where Russia would stop in this conflict.
    Russia does not need Galicia, then the population has already been completely spoiled and it will not be possible to fix them.
    But this is my opinion, so do not throw slippers.
    By the way, reading the comments of VO participants, I see that many hold the same opinion.
    But let's see how events develop further.
    My opinion is to leave Nikolaev, Odessa, and this is also a corridor in Transnistria to the Ukronazis, leave Kharkov, Yekaterinoslav (Dnepr) and the entire left bank to them.
    How not to leave the Kiev-Pechersk Lavra to Satanists.
    Stopping halfway, we will get a new, more brutal war after some time.
    1. Ulan.1812
      Ulan.1812 26 December 2022 15: 09
      +2
      Quote: Ulan.1812
      It is not clear why the author made a reference to the situation in Kosovo at all.
      There is nothing in common.
      And what does "guilty of the Serbs" mean?
      They are humiliated, they are oppressed, but it turns out they are guilty?
      Or maybe the United States and NATO, which divided Yugoslavia in such a way that Kosovo included territories inhabited by Serbia without asking them?
      And on topic. I hope many heard the president's words at a recent conversation with journalists .... - "If you want to lose Ukraine, add Galicia to it."
      As a rule, Putin does not say anything in vain.
      Was this stuffing a preparation of the population for where Russia would stop in this conflict.
      Russia does not need Galicia, then the population has already been completely spoiled and it will not be possible to fix them.
      But this is my opinion, so do not throw slippers.
      By the way, reading the comments of VO participants, I see that many hold the same opinion.
      But let's see how events develop further.
      My opinion is to leave Nikolaev, Odessa, and this is also a corridor in Transnistria to the Ukronazis, leave Kharkov, Yekaterinoslav (Dnepr) and the entire left bank to them.
      How not to leave the Kiev-Pechersk Lavra to Satanists.
      Stopping halfway, we will get a new, more brutal war after some time.

      What id * you put cons? Was Stavin offended?
      Well, there is nothing to write any garbage Nostradamus homegrown.
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      2. alexey sidykin
        alexey sidykin 26 December 2022 21: 14
        0
        Quote: Ulan.1812
        What id * you put cons? Was Stavin offended?
        Well, there’s nothing to write any garbage Nostradamus homegrown

        Probably those who are offended by the Westerners, we have many who are ready to take this crap.
  45. aglet
    aglet 26 December 2022 12: 15
    +8
    "Well, my conclusion on Ukraine. There will be no more negotiations"
    Alexander Staver
    "Kherson we will never surrender"
    Alexander Staver
    cassandra, damn
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    1. Negro
      Negro 26 December 2022 14: 08
      +8
      Quote: Matyushenko_Andrey
      Grandfather told such a case from post-war times. Truman decided to arrange a provocation and bombed our cruiser. And this was during the period of the US nuclear monopoly! Truman then called Stalin. I apologized. An error has occurred.
      Stalin ordered to raise a squadron of our attack aircraft, which smashed the American battleship to shreds.

      The time has come for amazing stories.

      What kind of LC was lost after WWII (except for Novorossiysk)? As I understand it, post-war Iowa against the Il-10 squadron?
    2. solar
      solar 26 December 2022 14: 09
      +7
      Grandfather told such a case from post-war times. Truman decided to arrange a provocation and bombed our cruiser. And this was during the period of the US nuclear monopoly! Truman then called Stalin. I apologized. An error has occurred.
      Stalin ordered to raise a squadron of our attack aircraft, which smashed the American battleship to shreds. After that, Stalin called Truman. Also apologized. Error, please. Since then, the States have not attacked our ships.

      Do you think that after the war there were so many battleships and other cruisers that they didn’t even write numbers on them? And the fate of all of them is unknown?
      squadron of our attack aircraft, which smashed the American battleship to shreds

      this is what I especially liked.
      1. Negro
        Negro 26 December 2022 15: 18
        +6
        Quote from solar
        this is what i especially liked

        Yes, 12 Il-10s against Iowa with an escort (or Iowa in a Midway type AB escort). I would like to see it, of course.
  48. Mikhail Maslov
    Mikhail Maslov 26 December 2022 13: 21
    +4
    The young men had hopes. A country that cannot succeed either politically, economically, or militarily, is simply forced to negotiate. Alas, this is us and the fantasy of borders with Hungary and Poland. We will not be allowed to do this in this war, time Negotiations will take place, but not on our terms. Yes, they will give us everything that we have time to recapture and that’s it. We ourselves do not know the purpose of this war, and it’s simply not possible to win like that. Our "chess" leadership is already showing and waving with both hands for negotiations What next? Alas, they will not leave us alone, there will be a new war and we will be given very little time.
    1. Negro
      Negro 26 December 2022 14: 35
      +6
      Quote: Mikhail Maslov
      Yes, they will give us everything that we have time to beat off and that's it.

      Why do you think so?

      No proposals known to me from that side involve discussion of the status of even Crimea, let alone anything else. On the other hand, you are partly right - the key issue is the military control of the parties over certain territories. Most likely, the readiness of the Russian side "for negotiations, taking into account the latest circumstances" means exactly this.
      1. Mikhail Maslov
        Mikhail Maslov 26 December 2022 15: 53
        -2
        And what proposals are you waiting for? The United States has not yet reached its goals, while they are fooling around with all sorts of projects, and then they will give in a little and "we will agree." Only all these agreements are direct preparation for a new war, or the Russian Federation is again "playing" according to the rules of the Anglo-Saxons. Here and that's all.
        1. Negro
          Negro 26 December 2022 16: 14
          +1
          Quote: Mikhail Maslov
          What offers are you waiting for?

          Quote: Mikhail Maslov
          Yes, they will give us everything that we have time to beat off

          It's kind of like you're waiting, not me.
  49. would
    would 26 December 2022 13: 47
    +4
    Oh, I'm scared! First, Alexander writes "Kherson will not surrender!" and it is handed over literally the next day, and now "There are no peaceful options for completing the NWO." Wait for Minsk 3?
  50. olgherd
    olgherd 26 December 2022 15: 11
    +3
    Quote: Damir Zakirov
    I don’t need lace panties, I don’t want to enter the European Union, I don’t want to live with a population density of 300 people sq. km, and I don’t want 10 people. per sq. km are quite satisfied.

    You are not satisfied, others are satisfied, and others need panties. We have a democracy, as the President says, if the majority choose shorts, you will have to go there too.

    Quote: Damir Zakirov
    The territories are primordially Russian, but they don’t want to join?

    Let's not talk about originality. And there's a lot to unearth.


    Quote: Damir Zakirov
    those who disagree are deported to Western Ukraine.

    And if they do not want to be deported from their ancestral territories?

    Quote: Damir Zakirov
    And we became fascists when "we signed a secret protocol and divided Europe with Hitler." You must be consistent in "historical issues of recent history."

    I don’t know about fascism, but Nazism is present in sufficient quantities in your comments.
    1. Ulan.1812
      Ulan.1812 26 December 2022 15: 32
      +2
      Quote from olgherd
      Quote: Damir Zakirov
      I don’t need lace panties, I don’t want to enter the European Union, I don’t want to live with a population density of 300 people sq. km, and I don’t want 10 people. per sq. km are quite satisfied.

      You are not satisfied, others are satisfied, and others need panties. We have a democracy, as the President says, if the majority choose shorts, you will have to go there too.

      Quote: Damir Zakirov
      The territories are primordially Russian, but they don’t want to join?

      Let's not talk about originality. And there's a lot to unearth.


      Quote: Damir Zakirov
      those who disagree are deported to Western Ukraine.

      And if they do not want to be deported from their ancestral territories?

      Quote: Damir Zakirov
      And we became fascists when "we signed a secret protocol and divided Europe with Hitler." You must be consistent in "historical issues of recent history."

      I don’t know about fascism, but Nazism is present in sufficient quantities in your comments.

      It is unlikely that Damir read this very dubious protocol.
      But even if it is recognized as genuine, there is not a word about the mandatory division of Europe.
      Stalin was not a fool to take on obligations in an unclear situation.
      It clearly says that the issue of Poland will be resolved in the course of how further events develop.
      Germany could not attack, England and France could really start to fight, and so on.