The Renaissance and the Decay of the Western World

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The Renaissance and the Decay of the Western World
The Last Supper. Tintoretto


Renaissance


The Renaissance was a turning point for stories Europe: from the Middle Ages to the New Age. On the one hand, it was a time of renaissance, a renaissance of culture and art, based on antiquity. Time of transition to the secular nature of culture, humanism and anthropocentrism. Time of brilliant thinkers, artists, architects. Great geographical discoveries.



On the other hand, this is the era of the most cruel and bloody wars, uprisings, conspiracies and insidious murders. Religious, fratricidal wars. The great geographical discoveries turned into a new wave of violence, cruel colonization, robbery of great and ancient civilizations, cultures, nationalities and tribes of America, Africa and Asia. A surge in piracy and the infamous slave trade. Human and drug trafficking.

The map of then Western Europe was very different from the modern one. Practically each of the current countries was fragmented into many independent feudal estates. There were no modern Italians, Germans and French. These nations were at the stage of formation. The inhabitants of Northern and Southern Italy are still very different from each other, but then they were completely different ethnic communities. In France, the population of Gascony, Brittany or Burgundy had their own languages, history and culture. Various Germans - Saxons, Alsatians, Bavarians or Prussians - did not understand the languages ​​of other Germans.

It is interesting that the Russians-Russians at that time were already an established people-nation, with a developed spiritual and material culture (for example, with developed hygiene, a culture of cleanliness), a single language, faith and traditions. With a developed urban culture, chronicles, which were not in sight in Western Europe. Another daughter of Yaroslav the Wise, Anna Yaroslavna, having become the Queen of France, wrote to her father that she had ended up in a “barbarian country”. The cities of Europe, in comparison with the Russians or the "Tatar" ones (in the Horde), were impoverished and gloomy villages, without signs of culture and art. The French, the British or the Germans at that time were just emerging as nations, when the Russians were building great powers-empires.

Most European countries simply had nothing to develop some kind of culture on such a foundation (political, economic and cultural). In France, in the XNUMXth century, processes of centralization began, but success was still far away. French kings fought with large feudal lords, de facto independent rulers of Burgundy, Brittany, Provence. The wars were extremely brutal. Each other's possessions were completely devastated, the inhabitants of the captured cities were destroyed and stolen.

In England, there was an internecine war of the Scarlet and White Roses of two branches of the Plantagenet dynasty - Lancaster and York. In it, the English feudal lords slaughtered each other so enthusiastically that they almost destroyed their estate, giving the new nobles the opportunity to rise. In Spain, the Christian kingdoms of Castile, Aragon, Valencia, and Navarre fought the remnants of the Muslim Caliphate.

Italy - the center of the Renaissance


Italy became the epicenter of the Renaissance. It also was not united, it was fragmented into a mass of feudal estates. However, there were several important prerequisites that allowed the region to become the epicenter of the Renaissance.

First, here was Rome, as the heir to the first Rome - the cradle of Western civilization, the Western project to enslave the surrounding civilizations, cultures, peoples and tribes. Parasitization and prosperity at the expense of someone else's energy and resources. Catholic Rome was the "command post" of the Western world, the center of the then globalization. Remains of ancient knowledge and science have been preserved here. The church became the base for the expansion of the West to the North, East and South. Then and further to the West - a throw across the Atlantic.

Secondly, Rome, as the ideological organizer of the crusades to the East and South, and other Italian cities, concentrated enormous wealth. In particular, looted in the cities of the Middle East and the dying Byzantine Empire (the second Rome). If the Frankish, English, German and other knights for the most part simply died in a foreign land, playing the role of "cannon fodder", then their income, mortgaged lands, property and looted treasures flowed to Venetian, Genoese, Florentine, Roman merchants, shipowners and usurers (future bankers). Italian moneybags financed military operations, provided sea transportation of troops and supplies.

Thirdly, Italian merchants, city-states monopolized navigation in the Mediterranean. That is, the main trade routes from Asia to Europe and vice versa. First of all, this is a trade in spices, silk and luxury goods. Spices were worth their weight in gold. Without them, with the then technologies, it was impossible to procure meat for the future. And silk clothes were the main protection of the wealthy sections of the population from lice and fleas. After all, there was no culture of cleanliness and hygiene there. European cities literally drowned in mud, human and animal waste. Europeans practically did not wash. And perfume began to be used to drown out the smell of unwashed, dirty bodies.

Therefore, oriental goods were very expensive, giving the Italian intermediary merchants extra profits. We must also not forget that the initial capital was also created on the basis of the most severe exploitation of ordinary people, on outright piracy and the completely legal slave trade at that time. So, Genoa exported people (slaves) from the Crimea, which was part of the Horde state. The wealthy of the city and the merchants. The families of major bankers Medici, Barberini, Sacchetti and others appeared. Nobles, rulers of numerous Italian states participated in profitable trade, became related to bankers.

Fourthly, Italy was the heir to the ruins of the culture of the Roman Empire. Local artists, architects, sculptors and engineers could use the legacy of the great ancient civilization. In Italy, despite all the destruction and time, the ruins of temples, mosaics, statues of ancient times have been preserved. On their basis, a new art began to develop.

Another impulse of the Renaissance was given by the dying Byzantium. Byzantium was the direct heir to ancient civilization, and retained a lot. The Second Rome collapsed under the pressure of the Islamic world, the expansion of the Ottomans. Many noble and wealthy families of the Greeks and Byzantines fled to Italy, which was once part of the Byzantine Empire. They brought their wealth, libraries, collections of art objects. Many ancient sources unknown in Western Europe.


Venetian galley. Drawing by Konrad Grünenberg from his description of a journey to Jerusalem (1487)

"Beautiful life" and the decay of the Catholic world


The Italian nobility, the new rich, merchants and bankers wanted to live a full life, enjoy their power and wealth. What contradicted the official Catholic morality, with its asceticism, the spirit of humility and humility. The money went to the construction of luxurious palaces, to decorate them with statues and paintings. This allowed talented architects, builders, sculptors, painters, etc. to prove themselves.

Ancient Rome was recognized as a model of "beautiful life". Fortunately, its ruins were still all over Italy. On the basis of ancient art, a new one develops. Dissolute fauns and satyrs replaced the ascetic faces of saints, beautiful Venus and Aphrodite - the icons of the Mother of God. The icons themselves began to be brought closer to "ancient" standards. Saints began to be drawn from young models and boys. The morals of the nobility of Italy copied Ancient Rome in the era of its decay and decline. The upper classes were overwhelmed by the cult of hedonism. The Decameron of the Italian writer Giovanni Boccaccio replaced the Bible. Marital fidelity has become ridiculous and vulgar. The rich, fed up with the usual fornication, were looking for novelty, delights, switched to boys.

It seemed that the Catholic Church should suppress the corruption of the nobility with fire and sword. However, in the West, the church has traditionally been not only a spiritual but also a secular institution. Popes, many cardinals, archbishops, bishops and abbots were first of all large feudal lords, sovereign rulers of their possessions. The positions of church hierarchs, legates and abbots were considered primarily in terms of income. They were sold, given as a gift, the abbots of the monasteries often became the children of high-ranking parents.

The "Golden Calf" ruled the church. Where there is money, there is no spirituality, only a formality, an outer shell for the “flock” (“flock”). The church itself wanted a "beautiful life." Church princes, as well as secular ones, fell into luxury, excesses and depravity. Therefore, Petrarch noted that it is enough to see Rome to lose faith. And Lorenzo Medici called Rome "a latrine that united all the vices." On the papal throne, personalities were replaced, on which there is nowhere to put a test. Among them were libertines, homosexuals, murderers, poisoners and pirates. But there were almost no ascetics and righteous people. If a good person happened to be on the papal throne, then he was quickly eliminated.

The fish rots from the head. Seeing what was happening at the top, the lower rungs of the Catholic Church were also not shy. They robbed people, taking advantage of their illiteracy. Catholic priests have become notorious as pedophiles in recent times when information has become much more accessible. The celibacy of Catholic priests (official celibacy) led to the flourishing of homosexuality.

To be continued ...
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  1. +2
    23 December 2022 04: 42
    It feels like reading an old Soviet history textbook. How recognizable is the style of presentation ....
    1. +18
      23 December 2022 09: 53
      No, there is nothing from the Soviet textbook, from the word at all.
    2. -1
      25 December 2022 15: 35
      The article is knocked together by tales from yellow sites. And under the sauce "fight against damned imperialism", aka the West.
    3. -1
      2 February 2023 10: 23
      Cheap propaganda about "unwashed," robbery "foreigners" against the background of "Holy", "hygienic clean" Rus'.
  2. +10
    23 December 2022 05: 06
    It is interesting that the Russians-Russians at that time were already an established people-nation, with a developed spiritual and material culture

    Were not! There were Slavs in the west, Finno-Ugric peoples in the north, and Turks in the south. And all this interfered for centuries and more or less took shape by the time of the reign of Ivan III, if not even by Ivan the Terrible. I do not know the predominance of what constituent ethnos in this ethnogenesis ...

    The same thing happened in Europe. There were no French, English or Germans there. It was not in our, today's understanding ...
    1. +2
      23 December 2022 06: 19
      The fish rots from the head.

      Leo Taxil: "Sacred Nativity" and "Funny Bible" - there is something to be surprised!
      1. +1
        23 December 2022 12: 27
        Quote from Uncle Lee
        Leo Taxil:

        Of those who put a minus, did anyone read this? Or at least heard of the author? feel
        1. +1
          23 December 2022 20: 18
          Clerics, they gave you cons .. in their opinion, burn these books on fire .. laughing
          1. +2
            24 December 2022 02: 11
            Quote: parusnik
            Clericals

            Alexey hi I didn’t think that even in VO it’s so dense ....
        2. 0
          17 February 2023 14: 46
          The author is very recognizable. Because in the West everything is bad, but in Rus' it’s good. Apparently, that’s why they staged a revolution
    2. Fat
      +7
      23 December 2022 07: 56
      hi Greetings Nikolay. In this article, a lot has been turned upside down.
      The conditional "revival of art and culture" is the result of the development of trade and cities. The strengthening of the positions of guilds and merchants in the cities, the re-creation of the trade unions of the cities - that is the reason for the renaissance. In the north of Europe in the Middle Ages, the Hansa ruled. In the south of Europe, such strong and durable alliances did not happen. Mediterranean cities preferred constant rivalry. The cities lived their own life, completely free from the excessive influence of the feudal lords, and could stand up for themselves. Although, it must be admitted, the city "freemen" was supported by knightly orders. Samsonov writes "to be continued", I strongly doubt that he will pay attention to the formation of European mercantilism, rather the author will immediately move on to colonial expansion ...
      And ... yes ... Pskov and Novgorod had Hanseatic offices on their territory and they can be considered cities of the union ... With all the consequences of the "renaissance", therefore Ivan III was forced to "fight" these cities smile
      1. +2
        23 December 2022 14: 22
        Quote: Thick
        The conditional "revival of art and culture" is the result of the development of trade and cities. The strengthening of the positions of guilds and merchants in the cities, the re-creation of the trade unions of the cities - that is the reason for the renaissance.

        With certain reservations, in my opinion, we can say that it was then that the first timid shoots of capitalism began to break through in Europe, in Italy in particular, and financial and commercial capital began to develop slowly.
        1. Fat
          +1
          23 December 2022 16: 12
          hi For financial capital, you need to go to the Templars ... It was the "poor templars" who invented checks (certificates of deposit) - they accepted money from clients, and in return they gave out a special parchment certifying the availability of funds from the "bearer of this". If the deposit amount at some point ended, then it could always be replenished. Moreover, remotely, since the client’s relatives could do it in any perception of the order .. This distinguished the templar brothers from many other money changers and usurers ... smile
          1. +2
            23 December 2022 16: 17
            hi Well, yes, they can probably be called the first bank, but then the Italians became beyond any competition.
    3. -3
      23 December 2022 17: 44
      Quote: Luminman
      It is interesting that the Russians-Russians at that time were already an established people-nation, with a developed spiritual and material culture

      Were not! There were Slavs in the west, Finno-Finns in the north and Turks in the south. And all this interfered for centuries and more or less took shape by the time of the reign of Ivan III, if not even by Ivan the Terrible. I do not know the predominance of what constituent ethnos in this ethnogenesis ...

      The same thing happened in Europe. There were no French, English or Germans there. It was not in our, today's understanding ...

      Before the release of the book by the Catholic Mavro Orbini "Slavic Kingdom" in 1601 in Latin in the West, nothing was known about any "Slavs", and in 1701, Peter, who arrived from Holland, ordered that that book be firstly published but translated already into Russian, this is how the "Slavs" appeared in Rus' Mascovia. Previously, the Russians called themselves simply "Slovenes", there is even such a thing as "Ilmen Slovenes", the Etruscans (a Latin term not native to them), by the way, also called themselves Slovenes, and now there are still Slovenes in Slovenia and even in Slovakia and naturally in the area of ​​​​Lake Ilmen, Ilmen Slovenia. They write that there was even such a city as "Slovensk" - you can ask about that. But about some "Finns", so they appeared even later, about two hundred years ago. Previously, the Venets of the Venetian Sea lived in quiet places, later the Varangian Sea, and now in Latin the Baltic Sea. The Germans were always called those who did not speak the Slovene language (or you can say Russian). By the way, earlier there were definitely also “shaves”, “vans” of the Vendée, it seems like the Irish and many others ...
      1. -1
        23 December 2022 17: 57
        It turns out strange, Slavic slaves were massively traded, but there was no known about the Slavs? And the fact that Novgorodians identified themselves before joining not as Rus', but as Slovenes
    4. +2
      23 December 2022 17: 49
      Nations began to take shape only with the formation of capitalism, so talking about some kind of nations in Rus' at that time was generally nonsense
    5. +1
      26 December 2022 01: 12
      Quote: Luminman
      I do not know the predominance of what constituent ethnos in this ethnogenesis ...

      If you do not know this, then why are you so confidently declaring - "Were not!"? I hope that you know that in many (Western, Middle Eastern, Persian, etc.) documents even before our era our territory was called "Gardarika". What is "hail" in those days I will not explain, but this is not something that sometimes pours out of the clouds.
  3. +3
    23 December 2022 06: 08
    "Anna Yaroslavna's letter" is now used by Alexander as a historical document? Hmmm..
    1. +3
      23 December 2022 06: 36
      Also drew attention. As far as I know, it's fake. And to the author, at the expense of the dirt of the Middle Ages, I would advise you to look at the Beresta channel. There is a video about it there.
      1. +3
        23 December 2022 10: 11
        As far as I know, it's fake.
        "Anna Yaroslavna's Letter" is an ordinary forgery, a literary and historical hoax, clumsily and mediocrely written. Neither in terms of stylistic, nor lexical, nor historical components, this text can absolutely be attributed to the XNUMXth century.
        1. -1
          23 December 2022 17: 52
          Yes, not even a fake, but a cool satirical pamphlet that does not even try to hide it. Takes aback that some perceive this as the truth
          1. +1
            23 December 2022 18: 31
            Sometimes you can’t even explain that this is a pamphlet, from the beginning you explain that neither in style, nor in vocabulary, nor in historical components, the text can be attributed to the XNUMXth century at all. Sometimes it happens that the pamphlet does not reach.
            1. 0
              23 December 2022 18: 57
              Quote: parusnik
              Sometimes you can’t even explain that this is a pamphlet ..

              So this is ... somehow, all the stories that exist today are also essentially a "pamphlet" ... Something like that ...
      2. 0
        26 December 2022 01: 33
        Quote: Lykases1
        As far as I know, it's fake.

        Oh, sorry, how much do you know and why is it fake? Previously, there was an original, and with substantiation, examinations and conclusions of experts and historians, and now a fake? Did someone think that it was not tolerant to speak of our "Western partners" like that? Here I look below how many skeptics have noted on this topic and, for sure, the indigenous "Russian patriots". But it is not even a matter of patriotism, the important thing is that the "Norman patterns" continue to bloom and bear fruit. True, not a single self-respecting historian will undertake to assert this out loud, if only in a whisper and in a small circle of accomplices. Well, or in the comments under normal articles, show off your "wit". You can immediately, like a rooster on a fence, roared and nothing needs to be substantiated and proved
    2. -1
      25 December 2022 12: 39
      But everything is according to the "party line", there is no time to figure out what is true and what is fake)
  4. 0
    23 December 2022 07: 51
    Chaotically somehow the author got a presentation.
    The Renaissance, this is primarily an attempt to revive pagan Roman and Greek values, tried to literally eradicate Christianity from Europe.
    The attempt turned out to be very successful, a consequence of the so-called Renaissance - the rebellious Catholic monk Martin Luther with his Reformation era, then the notorious French "enlighteners", then announced that man descended from apes and so on. Europe has become anti-Christian, which is what was required.
  5. +2
    23 December 2022 08: 21
    It's funny. By the middle Samsonov forgot what he wrote at the beginning.
    it was a time of renaissance, a renaissance of culture and art, based on antiquity. Time of transition to the secular nature of culture, humanism and anthropocentrism. Time of brilliant thinkers, artists, architects. Great geographical discoveries.

    The cities of Europe, in comparison with the Russians or the "Tatar" ones (in the Horde), were impoverished and gloomy villages, without signs of culture and art. The French, the British or the Germans at that time were just emerging as nations, when the Russians were building great powers-empires.
    Most European countries simply had nothing to develop some kind of culture on such a foundation (political, economic and cultural).
  6. +6
    23 December 2022 08: 26
    What a pseudo-historical blizzard, sorry. I don't even want to take it apart
    1. +7
      23 December 2022 08: 42
      hi
      What a pseudo-historical blizzard
      But ideologically sustained in the spirit of the times .. smile
      1. +3
        23 December 2022 09: 33
        The Second Rome collapsed under the pressure of the Islamic world, the expansion of the Ottomans.
        There is a small slip here. In Samson's way, it was necessary to write that he collapsed "under the pressure of the Anglo-Saxons!" hi lol
        1. +5
          23 December 2022 09: 42
          Yes, here About Mashek (misses) .. it’s better not to list .. smile About hygiene, the Arabs washed in the baths, they were free of charge, they poked around in conquered Spain, like libraries, they were also free .. No, no .. I don’t want to write further "about Mashki" ... smile
    2. +1
      26 December 2022 01: 42
      Quote: Stirbjorn
      I don't even want to take it apart

      Can you? Do you mean understand? After all, the patterns formed by education are strong and obtained easily and, apparently, without hesitation. And here you need everything scrupulously, but from different sources, but from the archives ... And then it's all to comprehend and reduce to something. And so - after all, you can blurt out a "pseudo-historical blizzard" and here he is "our truth seeker" all white and fluffy, so beautiful and proud of himself.
  7. +4
    23 December 2022 09: 13
    the author of the article is absolutely right about the example that the fish rots from the head, when at the end of the article he writes about the decay of the Catholic Church during the Renaissance. An example of this is in the latest film by Paul Verhoeven "The Temptation", dedicated to the abbess Bendetta Carlini. The representative of the papal throne, accusing the abbess of blasphemy and debauchery, says to her, they say, where did you get this talent of confusion. To which she replies to the representative of the Holy See that she does not know what talents the prostitutes have and does not ask how the representative of the papal throne knows about the talents of prostitutes ...
  8. +1
    23 December 2022 09: 53
    Another pearl from Samsonov ... the editorial office seems to be serious people, well, why skip such cheap materials that do nothing but harm and confusion
  9. +1
    23 December 2022 11: 53
    Petrarch first visited the Eternal City of Rome in 1337. He was shocked: “Rome seemed to me even greater than I expected, its ruins seemed especially great to me ... I am no longer surprised that this city conquered the world, rather I am surprised that it conquered it so late".
    But at the same time, Petrarch was also shocked by the fact that instead of the majestic monuments of the past, ruins of incomprehensible origin opened before his eyes. Petrarch wrote: “Where are the baths of Diocletian and Caracalla? Where is the cymbrium of Mars Avenger? Where are the shrines of Jupiter the Thunderer on the Capitol and Apollo on the Palatine? Where is the portico of Apollo and the basilica of Gaius and Lucius, where is the portico of Livy and the theater of Marcellus? Where did Marius Philip build the temple of Hercules and the Muses, and Lucius Cornificius built the temple of Diana, where is the temple of the free arts of Asinius Pallion, where is the theater of Balboa, the amphitheater of Statilius Taurea? Where are the countless buildings of Agrippa, of which only the Pantheon has survived? Where are the magnificent palaces of emperors? You find everything in books, and when you look for them in the city, it turns out that they have disappeared or only a miserable trace remains of them. The haze of dreams so clouded Petrarch's gaze that, looking at the distinct inscription on the pyramid of Caeotius, he continued to assure that this was the tomb of Remus! The reality of Rome surprised Petrarch. For some reason, the Colosseum was a castle and a fortress of one of the feudal families, the same fate befell the "Mausoleum of Andrian", "the theater of Marcellus", the arch of "Septimius Severus".
    Most likely, Petrarch read books that described Constantinople. And he transferred this description to Apennine Rome.
    By the way, Petrarch himself (1304-1374), according to historians, allegedly putting the Latin language above others, nevertheless wrote almost all his works in Latin. Researchers of his work claim that he wrote 15 times more lines and pages in Latin than in Italian. Although the same historians claim that Dante Alighieri (1265-1321), who lived before him, already wrote in Italian (apparently Florentine - my footnote) language.
    1. +1
      23 December 2022 16: 16
      Amendment.
      By the way, Petrarch himself (1304-1374), according to historians, allegedly puts ITALIAN language, however, he wrote almost all his works in Latin.
      1. +1
        23 December 2022 18: 51
        I am also surprised by the origin of the "Italian language". According to studies in 1911, less than 3% of the population of the Italian kingdom, which was founded only in 1861, spoke Italian. Now I’m meeting with a resident of Sardinia, so he says that in general no one in Italy speaks Italian and doesn’t want to speak, everyone communicates in their native languages, and to say terrible nationalists. So the question is: Where did it come from and when did the Italian language itself, which is so, to such an extent, hated by the Italians themselves?
  10. +5
    23 December 2022 12: 34
    The French, British or Germans at that time were just emerging as nations, when the Russians were building great powers-empires
    It is noteworthy that the same people who believe in this are mocking the great history of the ancient Ukrainians. laughing .
    1. -5
      23 December 2022 18: 12
      Exactly! The same Zadornov was joking over the Ukrainians, and he himself was carrying the same nonsense from the stage. By the way, it is largely his merit that such an abomination has become widespread among the people.
      1. 0
        23 December 2022 19: 58
        Quote: Mikhail Krivopalov
        .. similar abomination has spread..

        You try to read a similar "abomination" from the President of Sciences of the Russian Empire Alexander Semyonovich Shishkov! Otherwise, M. Zadornov is none other than just a populist of that part of a huge number of linguists who consider themselves just the followers of A. Shishkov and not M. Zadornov. Perhaps you personally do not like the fact that today almost all languages ​​​​of Europe, and not only, basically contain the roots of the Russian language, or, as it is now often customary to say in some circles, "languages ​​of the Slavic language group." Although if your personal dislike for everything Russian is of a biological nature, then you are hardly not biased towards scientific research, which, by definition, disgusts you. In this difficult case, even medicine is powerless ..
  11. +2
    23 December 2022 14: 10
    Quote: Luminman
    Were not! There were Slavs in the west, Finno-Ugric peoples in the north, and Turks in the south. And all this interfered for centuries and more or less took shape by the time of the reign of Ivan III, if not even by Ivan the Terrible. I do not know the predominance of what constituent ethnos in this ethnogenesis ...


    Who was in the east?
    The Turks and Finno-Ugric, of course, made their contribution, but the basis is still Slavic. Both in genetics and in language and culture. Turkic and Finno-Ugric - about like seasonings for the main dish.
    1. 0
      23 December 2022 14: 52
      Quote: Illanatol
      Who was in the east?
      The Turks and Finno-Ugric peoples, of course, made their contribution, but the basis is still Slavic

      In the east, there are also Turks and Finno-Ugric peoples

      Quote: Illanatol
      Both in genetics and in language and culture. Turkic and Finno-Ugric - something like seasonings for the main dish

      Language and culture are all acquired, but genetics tells a completely different story. Starting from the coast of the Kola Peninsula and ending, approximately, with the Ryazan region, and this is a huge territory where the population living on it has a halogroup N1a of the order of 60-70% - this is exactly the same as that of the Finns and Estonians. But as you move south, the percentage of N1a carriers decreases and fades already, approximately, in the Ryazan region, where R1a begins.

      I will express my personal opinion: the Tatars are the same Finno-Finns, only for obvious reasons they switched to Turkic dialects
      1. +1
        23 December 2022 18: 36
        Sorry, but N1a is an ancient haplotype (genus) inherent in, for example, Rurikovich and even Zakhar Prilepin. And in the area of ​​the White Sea, the White Sea Karelians with the N1c haplotype live, the latest newcomers from China, about 600 years old or a little more. In any case, there were no traces of them in present-day Finland, R1a Venets and other genera also lived there. But on the Volga, representatives of the N1b haplogroup, frank Ugrian people, already live, and they appeared there earlier than the N1c Karelians and only recently managed to populate these areas. But in the most ancient cities of Rus', the percentage of R1a reaches 95%, as, for example, Pomors of Pomerania, now recently Germanized. A little more precisely, please publish data at least about today's distribution of haplogroups.
      2. +1
        26 December 2022 01: 57
        Quote: Luminman
        Language and culture are all acquired

        And you can specify: acquired from whom and when?
        With regards to genetics, you got a little confused - here in the article there is a sample (well, it will be useful to look at the links and originals) for the European part of Russia and some adjacent territories.
        https://wakeupnow.info/ru/one-menu-facts-opinion/3251-ukraina-mif-ili-realnost-chast-3
        You don’t have to read the whole article, otherwise the “pattern break” can happen again.
  12. +2
    23 December 2022 14: 21
    Quote: Thick
    The conditional "revival of art and culture" is the result of the development of trade and cities. The strengthening of the positions of guilds and merchants in the cities, the re-creation of the trade unions of the cities - that is the reason for the renaissance. In the north of Europe in the Middle Ages, the Hansa ruled. In the south of Europe, such strong and durable alliances did not happen.


    You contradict yourself. Based on your logic, the Renaissance was supposed to begin in northern Europe (there was also a "reconstruction of trade unions of cities"). But it really started in Italy.
    The significance of the Hanseatic League should not be overestimated. In terms of turnover, it is quite modest. Trade in the Baltic in value terms was only 10% of trade in the Mediterranean. Maybe that's why there were no "strong and durable unions" that Venice, Genoa, Florence, etc. were completely self-sufficient? And in the north of Europe, the local provincial rogues huddled together to save pennies thanks to such cooperation.
    And with culture, painting, sculpture and other things, as well as with the sciences and philosophy in the north of Europe, things were worse.
    Yes, the ancient heritage has spoken, as well as stronger and broader ties with the advanced countries of Asia. Europe before the Renaissance was not so developed, the periphery of world civilization.
    1. 0
      23 December 2022 15: 04
      Quote: Illanatol
      The Renaissance was supposed to start in northern Europe, but it really started in Italy.

      Because the barbarians walked through the ruins of the ancient and once great city, saw the ruined architecture, in the ruins of which goats grazed. We thought hard and decided to revive it all. Well, that's it in a nutshell...

      Quote: Illanatol
      Europe before the Renaissance was not so developed, the periphery of world civilization


      Europe, it would be more correct to say, was not developed before the voyages of Columbus and the Renaissance had absolutely nothing to do with it ... But after Columbus, then it started! wink
      1. -1
        23 December 2022 18: 19
        Quote: Luminman
        The Renaissance was supposed to start in northern Europe, but it really started in Italy.
        Because barbarians walked through the ruins of an ancient and once great city, saw ruined architecture, in the ruins of which goats grazed. We thought hard and decided to revive it all. Well, that's it in a nutshell...

        Quote: Illanatol
        Europe before the Renaissance was not so developed, the periphery of world civilization


        Europe, it would be more correct to say, was not developed before the voyages of Columbus and the Renaissance had absolutely nothing to do with it ... But after Columbus, then it started!

        It is interesting to know in what such years some "barbarians walked through the ruins ... of the once great city ..."? Until now, the men have not been able to find any pebbles before the 15th century there in modern Rome ... Where did all these ruins of something ancient go? Here's a mystery, so a mystery...
        And with Columbus, yes, the robbery of overseas territories began and life went uphill, by the way, for some reason, cities began to be built of stone, which had not been seen there before.
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          24 December 2022 13: 07
          cities began to be built of stone, which had not been seen there before.
          The Romans built from concrete (they invented it). The Pantheon is still standing today.
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            24 December 2022 23: 51
            Quote: Bolt Cutter
            The Romans built from concrete (they invented it). The Pantheon is still standing today.

            Thanks for the answer, at least one forum member gave at least partially, but still the answer to the question posed. And now the question for full understanding now try to determine when, at what time it could happen and whether there were examples of construction from this or similar material at that time in other places and in any point of the earth, because prof. builders claim that in time this material for construction appeared on the globe not earlier than the end of the 15th century, but the coins of the Roman (Romaic) Empire in the area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbtoday's Rome are still not found. The frequency of finds of such coins is maximally located in the region of the middle reaches of the Rhine, in other places their finds are rare. Here you will think about when exactly they began to build Rome on a modern location?
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      23 December 2022 18: 03
      hi Anatoly.
      Quote: Illanatol
      You contradict yourself. Based on your logic, the Renaissance should have begun in northern Europe (there was also a "reconstruction of trade unions of cities"

      Recreation unions of Greek policies and Roman trading confederations took place where it existed before - the Mediterranean and the Middle East. The Hansa in the north is a new union. Since the founders - the cities of Lübeck (12th century) and Hamburg (8th century) did not exist in ancient reality drinks
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        25 December 2022 09: 31
        Quote: Thick
        Reconstruction of the unions of the Greek policies and the Roman trade confederations took place where it existed before - the Mediterranean and the Middle East. The Hansa in the north is a new union.


        What were the Greek policies in the Middle Ages? There was Byzantium, and then - the Ottoman Empire. And what other Roman trading confederations? The city-states in Italy were competitors. "In the south of Europe, such strong and lasting unions did not happen." (Whose words?).

        Hansa generally has nothing to do with the Renaissance. Ancient heritage - yes, connections with the Arab East - yes, the discovery of the New World - also yes.
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    23 December 2022 20: 14
    The author was referring to perhaps two cities and those who were rich and had slaves who worked for them and literally wiped their asses instead of them. Even at a time when in other countries there seemed to be little allowance for those who worked for the nobility, this was not observed in Russia until the First World War. In his youth, he visited many villages in Ukraine and Russia, in Moldova, but the fact that they were already literate and read that there was progress in Russia during the time of the tsar, they laughed at those who believed in it. Progress came, small of course, after the USSR had authority after the Second World War and this progress began in 1952, when prices began to decline and people in cities could buy for themselves everything they could earn for buying in stores, except for the bazaar .
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    23 December 2022 20: 15
    Quote: venaya
    It is interesting to know in what such years some "barbarians walked through the ruins ... of the once great city ..."?
    Where did all these ruins of something ancient go? Here's a mystery, so a mystery...

    For you, this may be a mystery. In the pre-Renaissance years. However, the Colosseum, dilapidated, is still standing. Here the barbarians - first the Goths, then the Lombards, and then the Franks - walked along it. And a lot more for...

    Quote: venaya
    And with Columbus, yes, the robbery of overseas territories began and life went uphill, by the way, for some reason, cities began to be built of stone, which had not been seen there before.


    Do you think Rome was wooden? Or adobe? Or maybe the Romans lived in dugouts? We are probably talking about different Romes. And the Gothic cathedrals in Rouen, Cologne or Reims, in your opinion, were also not built of stone? .. wink
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    23 December 2022 21: 46
    There is the old Europe, the old culture, and the Europeans don't need anything else. To think about what is necessary With someone to share, to someone they owe something, this is not for her. She doesn’t care about other people’s problems for the modern threats to humanity. To Siberia, Europe on the drum. For Europeans, the taiga is not suitable for life. This is such an incubator built on an old civilization. So someday she will live her last century.
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    23 December 2022 22: 15
    Ah, fake description.
    "Another daughter of Yaroslav the Wise - Anna Yaroslavna, having become the Queen of France, wrote to her father that she had ended up in a "barbarian country." The cities of Europe, compared to Russian or "Tatar" (in the Horde), were poor and gloomy villages, without signs of culture and art The French, the British or the Germans at that time were just emerging as nations, when the Russians were building great powers-empires. "
    If you refer to this fake and do not know history, then you can immediately agree and add to a nuclear war in the 19th century ..
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      20 March 2023 20: 08
      Sir, read carefully French historical novels (not only by Dumas, but also by Druon, for example), they themselves impartially describe both life and events of ancient years ...
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    24 December 2022 12: 42
    Burning witches is akin to arresting anti-Jabbers.
    Only since the 1680s and thanks to Isaac Newton the Roman lie of perpetual linear movement is revoked.
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      24 December 2022 18: 08
      the Roman lie of perpetual linear movement is revoked
      - Wasn't the idea of ​​perpetual linear movement Aristotelian, that is, Greek?
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    24 December 2022 18: 06
    The celibacy of Catholic priests (official celibacy) led to the flourishing of homosexuality.
    - "But where vodka leaves life, homosexuality and lack of spirituality come." laughing
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    25 December 2022 09: 36
    Quote: Luminman
    Because the barbarians walked through the ruins of the ancient and once great city, saw the ruined architecture, in the ruins of which goats grazed. We thought hard and decided to revive it all. Well, that's it in a nutshell...


    It is unlikely. Rather, the direct descendants of the citizens of the Roman Empire had a hand in the Renaissance. Newcomer barbarians were a minority of the population, there were not so many of them.
    Another question is whether the entire architecture was destroyed. Partly it was dismantled for the construction of new buildings.
    In general, I doubt that the Popes lived among the ruins. Perhaps the background was more equipped.
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    25 December 2022 09: 40
    Quote: Luminman
    I will express my personal opinion: the Tatars are the same Finno-Finns, only for obvious reasons they switched to Turkic dialects


    What are the Tatars? Kazan? These are the Volga Bulgars.
    Language is definitely not acquired. And culture with language is more determined by nationality than genetics. "Soil" is more important than "blood". Although there were those who thought otherwise (until May 1945).
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      26 December 2022 02: 11
      You are not a fan of "Borodino" by any chance, is it when "horses, people and thousands of volleys mixed up in a heap ..,"? No?
      Then why do you share genetics, land and culture? Right now, Moscow is already full of "come in large numbers here" from the warm Central Asian republics. They live, give birth to children, many have acquired citizenship. "Soil" is more important? And why is the culture of Russians, Bulgarians, Germans (Eastern) and other Czechs different from Slovaks? Well, yes - the soil is different, the black soil is not the same.
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        26 December 2022 10: 04
        Quote: Asiat-S
        Then why do you share genetics, land and culture? Right now, Moscow is already full of "come in large numbers here" from the warm Central Asian republics. They live, give birth to children, many have acquired citizenship. "Soil" is more important? And why is the culture of Russians, Bulgarians, Germans (Eastern) and other Czechs different from Slovaks? Well, yes - the soil is different, the black soil is not the same.


        So what? Imagine, but the majority of Muscovites are the descendants of the former "come in large numbers." But they all consider themselves Muscovites. Several generations will pass and the descendants of the "guests from the south" will also consider themselves native Muscovites.

        Yes, the ground is different. A different way of life, other conditions... that's why the mentality is different. And if the soil is similar, convergence can occur. The customs and customs of the desert dwellers can be very similar, although ethnically some Mongols and Tuareg are very different. A similar picture is among the peoples of the Far North, that they live near Taimyr or in Alaska.

        Why is "Russians" an adjective? For example, "German" is a noun.
        Because there are Russian Tatars, Russian Buryats, Russian Chuvashs... but they are all Russians.
        We have many nationalities, but one nation. Russian.
        Such a squiggle.
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          27 December 2022 02: 13
          Now, it's already "warmer", but the question is certainly not simple. If the word "Russians" is an adjective, then which word is a noun? Probably - Rus, Russ. And so far the Rus are under 75% of the total population. Here is modern Russia - the Rus live on the territory from the Western borders in the European part to the Far East (most of Eurasia) and from the Arctic Ocean to southern Asia. The mentality is almost identical - the cultural customs of the Rus, for example, in Kazakhstan, in the European part of Russia or in the Far East are absolutely the same. The mentality is similar. Obviously, the soil here does not really matter. That is, the main thing is still the cultural code of the ethnic group, the stereotypes of behavior developed by generations. If an ethnic group is well-established (one might say ancient) and numerous, then it is already stable and self-sufficient, and therefore unchanged and, as you cleverly put it, does not lend itself to convergence. Yes, of course, with the development of society and civilization, there are some changes in social stereotypes of behavior. BUT ..., the fundamental cultural code inherent in this particular ethnic group remains practically unchanged.
          And with regards to assimilation, everything is also possible here, when a small group (or young in terms of development) falls into an already formed ethnic group, then it merges with the indigenous one. There are options. For example, a small group of an "old" ethnic group falls into a large group of a "young" one, then a "fusion" of ethnic groups and cultures may occur, a new hybrid ethnic group will appear - this is where ethnogenesis and the transformation of cultures begin. What we, in principle, observe on the example of the junction of different peoples and different races. Based on all this, we can conclude that the so-called "cultural code", it's not up in the air, is prescribed at the genetic level, whether we like it or not, and is supported by culture. There are such concepts: goyim and outcasts. That is, if someone had a failure of the "cultural code", he was simply expelled, the society rejected him. It was a defensive reaction and a way out for the self-preservation of society, but the future problem was also laid in this. But that was earlier, when there was a place to exile. And now?
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    27 December 2022 13: 52
    Quote: Asiat-S
    The mentality is almost identical - the cultural customs of the Rus, for example, in Kazakhstan, in the European part of Russia or in the Far East are absolutely the same. The mentality is similar. Obviously, the soil here does not really matter. That is, the main thing is still the cultural code of the ethnic group, the stereotypes of behavior developed by generations.


    Mentality, culture (in the most general sense), stereotypes are derived from the conditions of life. All together is called "soil".
    The word "soil" should not be taken literally, as a soil layer.
    Being determines consciousness. The commonality, the similarity of being determines the commonality of the features of the national character and mentality.
    But there are those who believe that everything is determined by genetics, common blood. Two views on the principles of the unity of the nation.
    So what kind of haplotypes prevail in our country is not so significant.


    Quote: Asiat-S
    Based on all this, we can conclude that the so-called "cultural code", it's not up in the air, is prescribed at the genetic level, whether we like it or not, and is supported by culture. There are such concepts: goyim and outcasts. That is, if someone had a failure of the "cultural code", he was simply expelled, the society rejected him. It was a defensive reaction and a way out for the self-preservation of society, but the future problem was also laid in this. But that was earlier, when there was a place to exile. And now?


    The cultural code is cultured and maintained. Man does not live in a vacuum. Even the intellect is not innate, only the ability to become intelligent is genetically inherited. If a child is isolated from a society of his own kind and this potential is not realized in the course of his development at a certain stage, it is lost forever! The experience of real children - "Mowgli" proves this. So whether we will be reasonable and what features our intellect will have is determined exclusively by the environment (social, and partly natural). Only instincts and unconditioned reflexes, peculiarities of temperament, etc. are inherited at the genetic level, which affects the character of a person and, in part, the degree of his motivation.
    Whether a person is a brave man or a coward is largely determined by the hormonal system (norepinephrine / adrenaline ratio). But not completely, a person by an effort of will can overcome natural, genetically programmed limiters.
    Genetics is genetics, but we are not fruit flies, in which genetics decides everything.
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      28 December 2022 00: 26
      In fact, what we are discussing is somehow far removed from the essence of the article. But, well, although this is the territory of a complex issue. I am ABSOLUTELY not a racist, you can not talk about any race in a superlative sense, the same applies to ethnic groups. And ethnic groups are essentially a mixture of different races or groups of the same race. Undoubtedly, genetics is the foundation - it is a necessary but not sufficient condition for human development. But what is formed on this foundation by the environment and culture? On a "weak foundation" you cannot build a "high-rise building". It will wobble and collapse. But you say that a lot is determined by the hormonal system. And the hormonal system - it is determined by genetics. And by the way, it is no longer even denied by science that different representatives of different races have completely different metabolism (metabolic processes at the cell level). For example, medicines for the white race are not quite suitable for the dark people. With food, too, not everything is clear. What the Chinese eat, for example, will be stressful for our digestive system. A similar picture is with Africans, Indians and Indians.
      In addition, when speaking of the "foundation", one must take into account the "age of genetics". Again, I repeat - I'm not a racist, but you can't turn a blind eye to this factor. Let me explain: is it possible to compare a small child, a teenager and an adult? It's absurd. A small child will grow up, become a teenager, and then a mature person. Approximately the same picture with genetics. I'm trying to explain "on the fingers", but in fact everything is very complicated and, as they say. there are options. But the general trend is this. Let's say you can build a 5-9-story "house" on your "foundation", and I only have 2-3 floors on mine - otherwise everything will "collapse". So how do we compare? The whole point is that this is an opportunity to build so many floors, but not the fact of this "construction". Construction, as you understand, means the level of development that a person can achieve in his life. And does everyone stubbornly and with the manifestation of the will strive to develop as much as possible? And then there's the social system so "sharpened" to prevent development.
      Oh, I feel in vain I touched on this topic, again, "the pattern of perception can break." Well, I'll hope nothing happens.
      You touch on the eternal question - what is primary and fundamental: being determines consciousness or consciousness determines being. I will still argue that the second is more true. That is, everything depends on consciousness and it already creates being. But whether a person moves along the path with the indicated consciousness or drags himself behind the imposed being - here everyone decides for himself. And even in very difficult "everyday" conditions, it immediately manifests itself - who is who and who is worth what.
      Well, with regards to "soil" - try to use fewer euphemisms and scientific words. The right word, our language is so rich and plastic that it is a sin to pollute it with "scientific foreignness" or concepts from third-party disciplines of thought .. Well, if only it is completely impossible without it ...
      Pochvennichestvo (from Russian folk soil) - literary flow and the direction of social and philosophical thought in Russia in the 1860s.
      This concept is a bit old, and it did not have much circulation, only in some limited circles, for its own use.
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    25 January 2023 07: 25
    An extremely unfortunate phrase: "The fish rots from the head." Nothing good. The fish rots if it is already dead. And it doesn't matter why. Another thing is important: while the body is alive, its head is the most reliable place. And the last one dies.

    If a society is not capable of nominating the very best to leadership positions, it is already dead. Because in deed, and not in chatter, it proves that it does not value these best in its environment.
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      30 January 2023 13: 50
      The phrase is more applicable here:
      "The tops don't want, the bottoms can't," and as a result, total indifference of both of them to everything that is happening in the state and then a coup, a civil, and possibly a war with the interventionists.
      Liberal values ​​are the enemy of everything.
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    20 March 2023 19: 59
    The author forgot to mention (or I missed) that Rome was the capital of the Vatican state, it was shrunk to a tiny size in the 19th century, and it was a decent size territory for those times, and also that the Vatican Bank is one of the world's banking monsters (m .b even the world's leading ones)