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Combat work of self-propelled mortars 2S4 "Tulip"

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Combat work of self-propelled mortars 2S4 "Tulip"



Almost from the very beginning of the Special Operations, Russian artillery units armed with 2S4 Tyulpan self-propelled mortars have been participating in the battles. Due to the special performance characteristics, such systems are capable of hitting the most complex targets and important enemy targets. The Ministry of Defense has repeatedly shown the combat use of such systems, and in recent days new materials have appeared on this topic.

New frames


A new video showing the operation of the "Tulip" and its calculation was released on December 15th. Mortarmen and their equipment from one of the units of the Eastern Military District became its heroes. Demonstrates the process of deploying a mortar in position, loading and aiming. Then the calculation fires a shot, reloads the gun and shoots again. After firing, the mortar rolls up and leaves the position. The video also contains footage of hitting targets. After hitting a heavy 240-mm mortar mine, a flash and a large cloud of dust form at the target site.

The Ministry of Defense also published an interview with the personnel of one of the mortar batteries. According to the commander of the unit, mortars work from closed firing positions on the second line of defense. The main task of the calculations is the destruction of enemy infantry in various shelters. Depending on the ammunition used, the 2S4 system can hit fortified structures at ranges up to 19 km.


The commander of one of the self-propelled guns noted the features of combat work. So, in preparation for firing, loading takes the most time. This is due to the special way of feeding ammunition into the barrel, as well as the large mass of mines used - some of them weigh more than 250 kg. In addition, after reloading, restoration of aiming is required.

On December 18, another video about the use of Tulips was released, this time from the Central Military District. The exit of two mortars to a firing position with subsequent deployment and preparation for firing is shown. In particular, a close-up shot of the process of feeding active-reactive ammunition into the barrel. After firing a few shots, the mortars descend to a safe place.

The Ministry of Defense reports that the mortars of the Central Military District are solving the tasks of destroying important nodes of the enemy’s military infrastructure. To destroy such objects, mortar mines weighing from 130 to 230 kg are used. They are capable of penetrating concrete floors up to 3 m thick.


Combat experience


As far as is known, the Tulips and their crews have been participating in the Special Operation almost from the very beginning, from February-March. Self-propelled mortars are regularly used to solve particularly difficult tasks and thus complement other smaller caliber artillery.

Thus, in the spring of this year, 2S4 self-propelled mortars made a significant contribution to the liberation of the city of Mariupol. Then the enemy forces were blocked on the territory of two metallurgical plants and tried to use them as a kind of fortress. The Russian army refused to storm such fortifications and began to destroy them by various means, incl. using self-propelled mortars of special power. Active shelling with 240-mm mines, including adjustable ammunition, led to a natural result. The enemy suffered serious losses, was left without shelter and surrendered.

In the future, "Tulips" repeatedly appeared in other sectors of the front, where increased firepower is required. In particular, it was reported about the participation of such equipment in the destruction of Ukrainian fortified areas in the occupied part of the DPR. They managed to create a network of protected structures and positions there, and special firepower is required to combat it.


It is obvious that the combat work of the 2S4 "Tulip" systems will continue further, until the completion of the Special Operation. The enemy still has enough protected objects, and self-propelled mortars will not be left without targets for firing. The constant and methodical use of such weapons will give positive results and in a certain way contribute to the general demilitarization of Ukraine.

Technical potential


Product 2S4 is a 240-mm self-propelled mortar on a tracked chassis. A vehicle with a combat weight of less than 28 tons and a crew of 5 people. able to move between positions, quickly turn around and open fire on distant targets. A large-caliber mortar is designed to destroy concentrations of troops, command posts, radio or strike equipment, as well as protected enemy targets.

"Tulip" is built on the basis of an armored tracked chassis. The body is assembled from sheets up to 30 mm thick, which provide protection against bullets and shrapnel. A 520 hp diesel engine is used, with the help of which the car accelerates on the highway up to 60 km / h. On off-road or rough terrain, the speed drops by half, but high cross-country ability is provided.


The armored vehicle is equipped with an open installation with a mortar. Before firing, the installation is lowered to the ground and stands on the base plate. There are guidance mechanisms that give elevation angles from + 50 ° to + 80 ° and horizontal guidance within 10-40 degrees. left and right.

A 240-mm mortar 2B8 with a barrel length of 20,8 klb is mounted on the installation. The supply of ammunition is carried out from the treasury; to reload the barrel is transferred to a horizontal position. Ammunition of 10-20 shots is transported inside the hull. Shots are fed into the barrel by a mechanical conveyor; if necessary, the calculation can perform the required operations with mines. It takes approx. 1 minute.

The 2B8 product can use a wide range of ammunition for various purposes. The main ones are high-explosive fragmentation mines 53-VF-864 weighing 130 kg with a range of 800 m to 9,65 km and a 228-kg active-reactive product 3VF2 flying at 19,7 km. There are also cluster and incendiary munitions. In addition, the Tulip is equipped with the Daredevil complex, which includes the 3VF4 guided mine. Several types of mines with a nuclear warhead were developed, incl. neutron type.


The combat vehicle is equipped with a R-123M radio station and tank intercom device. In addition, battery and division commanders have their own means of communication. It provides reception of information about the target, calculation of data for firing and their issuance to gunners. In recent years, new communication and management tools have been introduced at the departmental level, due to which data transfer is accelerated and simplified.

"Tulips" can interact with various means of artillery reconnaissance. These can be armored mobile reconnaissance units, unmanned aerial vehicles, ground-based counter-battery radars, etc. The greatest efficiency in reconnaissance and fire adjustment is shown by modern UAVs of the Orlan-10 type.

Opportunities Used


At the moment, the 2S4 Tyulpan self-propelled mortar with the 2B8 gun is the most powerful domestic artillery system. In terms of the combination of tactical and technical characteristics, this machine surpasses all other samples. First of all, such superiority is associated with a large caliber - it allowed to increase the size and weight of the mine, gaining maximum power.

Such advantages have been repeatedly demonstrated in various exercises. In addition, the "Tulips" took part in several armed conflicts, starting with Afghanistan. Right now, this technique is again firing not at training targets, but at real enemy targets - and again showing its strengths, and also helping to achieve the overall goals of the operation.
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  1. Leader_Barmaleev
    Leader_Barmaleev 21 December 2022 05: 43
    +1
    How romantic - a bouquet of tulips on the grave of ukrofascism hi
  2. Mikhail Maslov
    Mikhail Maslov 21 December 2022 05: 52
    +6
    The mortar is serious, but it needs modernization. I would also like to know where the 160 mm mortars are? It would not be bad to use them.
    1. Dost
      Dost 22 December 2022 20: 40
      0
      Removed from storage a long time ago and sold out together with the BC.
  3. Konnick
    Konnick 21 December 2022 07: 52
    +16
    The first quarter of the 21st century is coming to an end...
    Drawing pencils were brought to the unit





    All over the Soviet...
    1. Alexey Lantukh
      Alexey Lantukh 21 December 2022 22: 47
      +5
      My device, PAB2! In 1972 he worked in that chile with a compass. 50 years in service. And back in 2008, in the war with Georgia, the insides of the tank were shown. I saw "my" radio station R-123M, which was on my topographic surveyor.
      1. Aag
        Aag 22 December 2022 15: 43
        +1
        Quote: Alexey Lantukh
        My device, PAB2! In 1972 he worked in that chile with a compass. 50 years in service. And back in 2008, in the war with Georgia, the insides of the tank were shown. I saw "my" radio station R-123M, which was on my topographic surveyor.

        Greetings!
        PAB-2, familiar. And the R-123M "drank blood" ... But, it somehow sounds wild that it is still in service. "... Provided with the reception of information about the target, the calculation of data for firing and their issuance to the gunners ..." To Ryabov.
  4. GRAFIN_32
    GRAFIN_32 21 December 2022 08: 22
    +1
    Who is experienced in artillery? Tell me, what is the resource of the trunk? I know that there are more howitzers, but it's interesting.
    1. Alexey Lantukh
      Alexey Lantukh 21 December 2022 22: 51
      +1
      Interested in this issue. From 1000 to 5000 shots. Moreover, the resource depends on the firing range. The farther they shoot (the charge of gunpowder is large), the lower the resource. The higher the caliber, the lower the resource.
    2. Dost
      Dost 22 December 2022 20: 42
      0
      The resource is very significant for rifled trunks, and here is a smoothbore. He has a lot more resource than for rifled ones.
  5. GRAFIN_32
    GRAFIN_32 21 December 2022 08: 23
    +2
    And further. Do they have barrels in stock?
  6. Two
    Two 21 December 2022 09: 06
    +2
    hi The car is real! The damage is tangible. At the Totsk training ground in 1985, the ZKP was dismantled from 3 hits! The generals admired the effect for a long time.
    1. Vladimir80
      Vladimir80 21 December 2022 10: 41
      -1
      3 hits? and how much was "past the target" ???
      1. Two
        Two 21 December 2022 12: 57
        +1
        hi There was no past! Everything was shot at the training ground then ...
  7. steelmaker
    steelmaker 21 December 2022 09: 29
    +16
    These are all Soviet galoshes! I’m looking at this NWO and what would Putin fight now if it weren’t for Soviet galoshes? Parasitize on the Soviet heritage for 20 years and at the same time cover the Mausoleum with plywood! It's all about having no conscience! Only "Homeland to trade" and is capable of! And then we wonder why there are so many traitors in the country and so many left the country. What is the pop, such is the arrival!
    1. Vladimir80
      Vladimir80 21 December 2022 10: 40
      -9
      there would be no heritage, maybe they wouldn’t climb where they don’t need to ... they would know their place, otherwise we’ll scream like crazy “we can repeat”, and as soon as the opportunity to repeat appeared, we buy a ticket to Kazakhstan ...
      1. BigMaxMack
        BigMaxMack 21 December 2022 14: 43
        +4
        Actually, "we can repeat" is a purely term of Putinism.
        In the USSR, all dates like May 9 were memorial days, meetings of veterans. Parades of military equipment were held only on round dates, and then on November 7th. Who knows, maybe because the veterans at that time had a significant weight in politics and did not let them forget the real horrors of the war .. Now who will listen to the infirm old people locked in their apartments .. They take them out once a year for the sake of "we can repeat" events, and then again for a year they are forgotten ..
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 21 December 2022 10: 55
      +4
      Quote: steel maker
      These are all Soviet galoshes! I’m looking at this NWO and what would Putin fight now if it weren’t for Soviet galoshes?

      2С4 are not galoshes, but
      The defense industry is cool, strong, and we are still proud of it. We are grateful to our grandfathers and our fathers for creating such a defense industry after the Great Patriotic War. Both the first satellite and the first man in space are our common pride, these are the achievements of the Soviet government, which we are all proud of. These are national achievements.
      © GDP.
      А galoshes - these are consumer goods that "group B" did not indulge in the native population. Neither in range nor in quality. The only advantage of Soviet goods and services was that they developed in the population the ability to work with their hands and head, relying only on themselves.
      Do-it-yourself furniture? But what, there are other options (except to get the GDR wall, I emphasize not buy, get it)? To bring to mind the inherited TV / receiver / tape recorder, eliminating the marriage and redoing the circuit? Replace piston rings in the garage? No problem.
      1. Bogalex
        Bogalex 21 December 2022 11: 25
        +6
        Neither in range nor in quality. The only advantage of Soviet goods and services was that they developed in the population the ability to work with their hands and head, relying only on themselves.
        Do-it-yourself furniture? And what, are there other options (besides getting the GDR wall, I emphasize not to buy, but to get it)? To bring to mind the inherited TV / receiver / tape recorder, eliminating the marriage and redoing the circuit? Replace piston rings in the garage? No problem.

        Why do you lie so brazenly and shamelessly?
        Do you think that everyone who remembers the quality of Soviet consumer goods has already died?
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 21 December 2022 12: 28
          +3
          Quote: Bogalex
          Why do you lie so brazenly and shamelessly?
          Do you think that everyone who remembers the quality of Soviet consumer goods has already died?

          Will you still tell the person who helped his father bring Soviet consumer goods to working condition, for its quality? You don't want a cassette recorder where the snot on the circuit board was so big that it whizzed against the screen? Or a color TV "light and heat in every home"? Or a car that after the purchase you need to either drive to the service station (but only if there is a familiar master), or check it yourself in the garage? Or Soviet furniture, during the assembly process of which some of the parts were either changed or even made anew? The most valuable thing at the same time was the Soviet children's designer, an eternal source of corners, plates and strips with holes. smile
          One can also recall the Soviet clothing industry, which did its best to popularize magazines with patterns and patterns and improve the skills of cutting, sewing and knitting among the female part of the population.
          Or have you forgotten that in the USSR, among the signs of prosperity, only a car was domestic. The rest is either CMEA or decaying capitalism. Yugoslav boots, Czech crystal, German wall, refrigerator Rozenlev, Finnish, good etc.
          1. Bogalex
            Bogalex 21 December 2022 12: 31
            +4
            You still tell these tales to someone else, and not to a person who was born and spent his childhood in the USSR.
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 21 December 2022 12: 36
              -5
              Quote: Bogalex
              You still tell these tales to someone else, and not to a person who was born and spent his childhood in the USSR.

              Apparently, you and I had different USSR. smile
              Because I was also born in the USSR - in Leningrad, in 1973. And I lived there.
              1. Bogalex
                Bogalex 21 December 2022 13: 11
                +7
                And yes, since we are talking about the quality of industrial products here.
                Just the other day I got acquainted with the technical conditions for products manufactured today in the Russian Federation, but once developed in the USSR. So the requirements for tolerances and landings in the direction of WORSE differ by SIX TIMES.
                Keep talking about low-quality consumer goods in the USSR.
                1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
                  Sergey Aleksandrovich 21 December 2022 15: 57
                  -7
                  Not a single high-quality, serviceable item could be bought in the early 80s.
                  The Poljot watch, after 1,5 weeks, a certain fork broke, I didn’t have time to hand over the warranty in 2 weeks, after the warranty repair they also worked for two months, they are still lying around.
                  Engineering calculator "Electronics", the price of about 70 rudders. From the very beginning, one of the buttons did not work well, then a year later it broke down completely, lying around somewhere.
                  The "Silhouette-electro" camera was broken from the very beginning, the lens jammed, the warranty repair was successful, but the camera lost its presentation. Then the battery section 4rts53 sat down, it was not possible to buy it, as well as the batteries separately.
                  Do you want me to send rarities as physical evidence? For a fee, of course.
                  1. Bogalex
                    Bogalex 21 December 2022 16: 17
                    +5
                    None high-quality serviceable things in the early 80's could not be bought.

                    More than sure that you exaggerate.
                    I have never had anything like this in my own practice.
                    Was there a marriage in Soviet production (especially in the 80s)? I have no doubt that it was. And the fact that you encountered him - I do not argue. And now how? Everything is fine? For the 3rd time, for example, I buy a multi-charger for the phone in the FIRM store - the branch for phones of old versions (and I, by the nature of my activity, am forced to use such ones) stops working on the second day. The manufacturer's response is "Wait for an answer, we are looking for solutions." How is everything okay? Was it worse in the USSR?
                    Nevertheless, they really fought with Soviet marriage. Remember or ask your parents what it meant to complain to the district committee or city committee.
                    And most importantly, are you personally ready to assert that it was necessary to kill the Soviet economy and industry for the sake of a miserable chipboard wall that would need to be replaced in 5 years, for which you do not have to stand in line?
                    1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
                      Sergey Aleksandrovich 21 December 2022 16: 27
                      -4
                      Why should I ask anyone if I myself bought the listed worthless things? Three defective items, out of three purchased in a row, is this an indicator of high quality in your opinion? How is it that they fought with marriage, if marriage only came across to me. What now? Now there is a choice and there are things of outstanding quality.
                      Of the Soviet things, perhaps only refrigerators were distinguished by outstanding reliability, but after a dozen years of operation, the plastic insides collapsed in them.
                      And the prices for household appliances were simply breathtaking and were not affordable for the majority of the population. Refrigerator somewhere from 500 rubles, the same black-and-white TV, window air conditioning and that cost at least 350 rubles.
                      1. Bogalex
                        Bogalex 21 December 2022 16: 54
                        +5
                        How is it that they fought with marriage, if I only came across marriage

                        I didn't get it, can you imagine? Rather, there was a marriage, I don’t argue, but somehow it didn’t cause a desire to destroy the state and its industry for the sake of eradicating that small (according to my observations) percentage.
                        However, we did not win. Well... Now enjoy the Chinese cars with the nameplate "Moskvich 3". It's much cooler than really domestic "Muscovites".
                      2. Sergey Aleksandrovich
                        Sergey Aleksandrovich 21 December 2022 17: 14
                        -3
                        That state was ruined by Ukrainian nationalism, do not confuse warm with soft. And especially the connivance of the same Ukrainian nationalism on the part of the party and government. Other factors were also significant, but not as significant.
                      3. Bogalex
                        Bogalex 21 December 2022 17: 22
                        +2
                        That state was destroyed by Ukrainian nationalism

                        No comment, as they say.
                        I thought you were smarter.
                      4. Sergey Aleksandrovich
                        Sergey Aleksandrovich 21 December 2022 17: 32
                        -5
                        Mutually. I also thought you were smarter.
                        Now it’s clear where such a frantic lie about a happy life then, the high quality and availability of household appliances of that time comes from.
                      5. Alexey Lantukh
                        Alexey Lantukh 22 December 2022 18: 33
                        +1
                        You must be one of the unlucky ones, like in a French movie. Well, I took photos. All cameras bought in the USSR worked. What I have left: Zenit 3m, Sputnik stereo camera, LuchM1 flash, LOMO216 film camera are in working condition. They are on the shelf. Of course, the quality of many goods was not very good. The color TV kinescope was changed under warranty, but it also lasted 1,5 years, it raised the filament voltage for another 2 years. Total about 5 years and in the garage. In vacuum cleaners, often the engines did not work out the warranty. There were things and eternal. Transistor receiver Ocean - 25 years old, probably still working. Did not use.
                    2. steelmaker
                      steelmaker 22 December 2022 21: 08
                      0
                      "I'm more than sure you're exaggerating."
                      I confirm!
              2. Dost
                Dost 22 December 2022 20: 44
                -2
                Don't stress. Don't prove it. Your comment text is too short
          2. Bogalex
            Bogalex 21 December 2022 12: 53
            +3
            I don’t know a single person who would have to “bring Soviet consumer goods to a working state.”
            The Soviet cassette recorder was so incomparable with modern quality that I inherited it from my brother and used it for more than one year.
            Soviet televisions were so "bad" that after being replaced with more modern models, they were taken to summer cottages and served there for another ten years. They served so reliably that I only recently found out that the film "Makar Pathfinder" was actually in color.
            Any modern driver could only dream of the quality of Soviet cars. The service life of "five years, and then sell quickly" was unknown to the Soviet driver.
            I do not know of a single case when my father would use my designer to repair furniture. Actually, it was the Soviet furniture that my parents changed in their apartment only this year. She was 40 years of age.
            About the connection between the clothing industry and magazines with patterns is simply ridiculous. For example, I never wore homespun clothes. None of my friends - either. However, there is nothing wrong, shameful or shameful in the fact that any housewife of the USSR could sew something really original with her own hands (and had time for this, a sewing machine, overlock, etc., right?), I don’t see. Well, modern ones, yes, they can only buy something in a boutique, there are no questions.
            The CMEA is also an indicator of the quality of the Soviet economy. Yes, at that time we knew how to organize interaction with European countries so well that boots, crystal, walls and refrigerators were made for us in Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, Hungary and the GDR. They had to be "gotten", as you put it? Well, yes. But I don't remember anyone who didn't.
            In fact, today the level of comfort and quality of consumer goods that was available to the vast majority of citizens of the USSR, today in the Russian Federation, only a few can afford.
            And very soon, something similar to our compatriots will only be able to dream at all. Including thanks to people like you who defecate on the past of their country.
            1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
              Sergey Aleksandrovich 21 December 2022 16: 08
              -3
              He himself repaired broken TVs from relatives with his own hands. All televisions from relatives broke after 2-3 years of operation. I took an oscilloscope C1-68 and repaired it. Everything broke in them, resistors, transistors, diodes and so on. And you will tell me about their outstanding quality?
              Are you familiar with the prices of the then color TVs? They cost from 800 to 970 rubles, for a year an ordinary person had to save up for them. It's about their availability.
              1. Bogalex
                Bogalex 21 December 2022 16: 45
                +2
                Familiar, don't worry.
                And neither I nor my relatives had such problems. TVs "Horizon" and "Rainbow" purchased around the mid-80s served without a single complaint until about the mid-late 90s, when, due to moral obsolescence, they were replaced by imported AIWA and Samsung.
                1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
                  Sergey Aleksandrovich 21 December 2022 17: 08
                  +2
                  Just "Rainbow" was of the 3USCT type, it had resistors for colors on such a scarf, right on the kinescope base, they overheated. After 2-3 years, almost everyone burned out, one of the flowers disappeared. The defect is so constructive, possibly intentional, like the 945th color transistors, they were installed without radiators. And in my "Horizon" in the switching power supply, the diode blinked for a couple of years, overheated and the TV set was cut down, it cools down, you won't find a malfunction, I was terribly exhausted with it. I didn’t manage it myself, a more qualified master found it.
                  So do not try to brush that abomination. For that crazy money, TVs should have been no worse than Japanese ones, but they were complete crap.
                  I wonder who gave me a minus for the previous comment? Is it really a minus for my amateur skills in repairing domestic TVs or for truthful information? Lovers of the past went crazy in the attack completely.
                  1. Bogalex
                    Bogalex 21 December 2022 17: 15
                    +3
                    Sergey, I have no doubts about your experience.
                    But I'm not writing about my own according to other people's sayings. So what about "almost everyone burned out" is not necessary. We, for example, did not burn out.
                    In short, you expressed your opinion, I expressed mine. I was not born in the 90s, if that. "Horizons" and "Rainbows" used not by hearsay.
                    But, apparently, our experience is a little different - this also happens.
                    This is where I propose to end.
                  2. garri-lin
                    garri-lin 22 December 2022 08: 26
                    +1
                    The TVs of the USSR had one minus. They were flammable. And it was precisely this problem that manufacturers dealt with for a very long time.
                  3. Alexey Lantukh
                    Alexey Lantukh 22 December 2022 18: 44
                    +1
                    In my opinion, color TVs, unlike black and white ones, suffered from quality, and this is true. The same 3USTs twice, in addition to replacing the kinescope under warranty, was soldered by me twice due to cold soldering of radio elements. Yes, and they were expensive - it's true. In general, clothes were quite expensive, well, if you compare them with salaries, that's why home sewing was widespread.
                  4. steelmaker
                    steelmaker 22 December 2022 21: 18
                    0
                    "Just Rainbow"
                    Normal TV. In the 90s, he replaced it with a more advanced one. If not for the 90s, it would have been finalized. And so it is with everything. And Buran-Energia, that he flew on foreign electronics? Therefore, do not lie so brazenly! If it were not for the traitors in the country's top leadership, we would have everything now !!!!!
                    1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
                      Sergey Aleksandrovich 23 December 2022 09: 07
                      0
                      The USSR collapsed because of Ukrainian nationalism and the national policy pursued by the Communist Party in general.
                      And leave the concern about the amount of electronics in spacecraft and the quality of televisions to lawyers and specialists.
                      Traitors prevented ..?
              2. garri-lin
                garri-lin 22 December 2022 08: 24
                +2
                Here you like to pour. Prices are normal. Yes, there were premium models. In polished wood cabinets and with speakers of 6-8 inches. But there were also simpler models quite affordable. Bought in the 80s Spectrum 61 cm diagonal worked until 2006 and was sent to an honorable rest in full serviceability.
                1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
                  Sergey Aleksandrovich 22 December 2022 08: 37
                  -4
                  People from the past do not like the truth, I understood this a long time ago. 800-950 rubles are the usual prices for color TVs in the 80s. More expensive than the rest, about 950 rubles, was the "Ruby" with a diagonal of 51 cm, but with a PAL decoder.
                  Why are these prices abnormal? In the shops of the USSR, bargaining was not accepted, it was impossible to drop the price.
                  And do not tell fairy tales about the reliability of those TVs. I observed inherent structural defects in them, which, in principle, did not allow them to work for a long time. I already noted that the resistors overheated on the kinescope base board, and the transistors were installed without radiators.
                  1. garri-lin
                    garri-lin 22 December 2022 09: 22
                    +2
                    Rather 600-800. For six months, working people could well collect the required amount. Plus installments. Or, as they say, an interest-free loan.
                    For as long as you like, you can pour mud on what is produced in the union. The fact remains. lived and developed. And now we don't know where we're going.
                    1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
                      Sergey Aleksandrovich 22 December 2022 09: 24
                      -3
                      It was not on sale that your rather for 600 rubles. And then, for 800 rubles, TVs disappeared from sale.
                      Who are you trying to fool?
                      1. garri-lin
                        garri-lin 23 December 2022 11: 28
                        0
                        In 86, at least three of my classmates had 2 color TVs at home. Private houses. Big families. Most of the people I visited as a child had color televisions. Ordinary. Spectrum, Horizon. Personally, we took in installments.
                  2. steelmaker
                    steelmaker 22 December 2022 21: 21
                    -1
                    "People from the past do not like the truth"
                    Are you, like, a lover of the truth? Only if it suits you! Don't teach father to fuck son!!
                    1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
                      Sergey Aleksandrovich 23 December 2022 07: 31
                      0
                      The most important fact from the past is that Ukrainian nationalism was raised back in the USSR.
        2. Proctologist
          Proctologist 22 December 2022 07: 01
          -3
          One is still alive (me). "Soviet means excellent!" was such an anecdotal slogan. The entire consumer goods and "services" sector was of a disgusting, vile quality, as if deliberately demonstrating contempt for the needs and desires of an ordinary (Soviet) person.
      2. steelmaker
        steelmaker 21 December 2022 13: 33
        +6
        . "These are national achievements.
        © GDP."
        He said stupid things and immediately "clung" to the Soviet achievements. And that 20 years is not enough to leave your "galoshes" as a legacy? Some palaces, yachts and high fences!
  8. APASUS
    APASUS 21 December 2022 11: 55
    0
    God forbid to get under fire from this mortar. Somehow I had to see at close range, shelling from a 120 mm mortar, the people died immeasurably
  9. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 21 December 2022 12: 45
    -3
    Gigantomania is not the best choice in war. The mortar is formidable, but not for the battlefield. How many minutes will a mine fly 10 kilometers and how many shots does a mortar produce per minute? While he shoots and hits, you can drink a morning cafe or drink tea and there will still be time to leave.
    More than 120 mm and even more than 82 mm mortars are needed for a real defeat of the enemy.
    1. neri73-r
      neri73-r 21 December 2022 13: 11
      -1
      This mortar, if for infantry, then only for clusters, it has its own tasks.
  10. Igor Zhorov
    Igor Zhorov 21 December 2022 18: 53
    +1
    More terrible than a mortar for soldiers in the trenches is only a copter with a lemon. Only Tulip can successfully dismantle strongholds, and more such systems are needed in Ukraine, in conditions where aviation is not used, and even 152 mm artillery is not effective.
  11. wladimirjankov
    wladimirjankov 21 December 2022 23: 36
    +1
    why didn’t the Avdiivka fortified area gouged with tulips in 10 months. Tulips are not the same system or what? Or not those mortars?
    1. Old_wars
      Old_wars Yesterday, 11: 29
      0
      Perhaps because it is impossible to provide a safe entrance to the position and the opportunity to work slowly. Tulip is good, but unfortunately it does not shoot far and does not have high mobility, as a result it will become an easy target for the enemy.

      Perhaps the installation of a gun in the Urals would have changed the situation, but this project is gathering dust somewhere on the shelves.