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Russia received applications from Poland and Germany for pumping oil for 2023

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Russia received applications from Poland and Germany for pumping oil for 2023

The Russian company Transneft has received applications from Germany and Poland for pumping oil for next year through the Druzhba pipeline.


Earlier, these countries stated that by the end of the year they intend to completely abandon pipeline oil supplies from Russia, however, they submitted applications for pumping for the next 2023.

Berlin and Warsaw intend to extend import supplies of oil from Russia in significant volumes. Poland expects to supply 360 thousand tons of oil during December of the outgoing year and 3 million tons - during the next year, 2023. Germany has also already received an application for pipeline oil supplies during the first quarter of next year.

Earlier, the Polish authorities announced their intention to suspend oil imports from Russia to the country by the end of 2022. Warsaw also initiated sanctions against the northern branch of the Russian Druzhba pipeline, through which "black gold" enters the EU countries.

With the help of sanctions, Warsaw planned to create a justification for terminating previously concluded contracts with Transneft, avoiding the penalties provided for this case.

The agreement signed earlier with the leading Polish oil refinery Orlen provided for the supply of raw materials in the amount of 3 million tons over the next year. At the same time, there is no data on the price at which Poland and Germany are going to buy oil from Russia. With a ceiling or without a ceiling?
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  1. SKVichyakow
    SKVichyakow 20 December 2022 12: 18
    +40
    It will be a disgrace if the application is granted. Putin said that they would not trade oil with the signatories of the ceiling on oil prices from Russia. Check for lice.
    1. dmi.pris1
      dmi.pris1 20 December 2022 12: 23
      +17
      I won’t be surprised. To whom the war is a disaster, and to whom the mother is dear. Nothing personal, just business
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 20 December 2022 12: 29
        +9
        Berlin and Warsaw intend to extend import supplies of oil from Russia in significant volumes. Poland expects to supply 360 thousand tons of oil during December of the outgoing year and 3 million tons - during the next year, 2023. Germany has also already received an application for pipeline oil supplies during the first quarter of next year.

        And why should Russia feed its geopolitical enemies - especially during the war with us - with Russian gas?!
        This is called treason to the motherland by government officials of the Russian Federation!
        1. SKVichyakow
          SKVichyakow 20 December 2022 12: 35
          +16
          Quote: Tatiana
          And why should Russia feed its geopolitical enemies - especially during the war with us - with Russian gas?

          Correct, oil, but I also think there is no need for gas, fertilizers, grain.
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 20 December 2022 12: 44
            +5
            Quote: SKVichyakow
            Correct, oil, but I also think there is no need for gas, fertilizers, grain.

            That's exactly what it is!
            Because even Angela Merkel for Russia in her secret patronage of Ukroreykha turned out to be an ordinary poisonous old woman Shapoklyak!
          2. kit88
            kit88 20 December 2022 13: 52
            +23
            You just have to not chew snot, but move your conditions.
            Do you want oil gas? We have them, cheap! By the way, the price is market, no ceilings, floors and other walls, we don’t want to know about it.
            But you, in turn, can supply medicines, food, humanitarian aid to Ukraine in short. But not more. Otherwise, the faucets are blocked without warning, the money paid is not returned.
            The main thing here is not just to shake the air, but to show oneself with deeds.
            My opinion.
            1. bayard
              bayard 20 December 2022 16: 59
              +3
              Quote: kit88
              Do you want oil gas? We have them, cheap! By the way, the price is market, no ceilings, floors and other walls, we don’t want to know about it.

              But what about stolen from Russia under 400 billion dollars. ? How can you trade with thieves of this magnitude? Moreover - with the sponsors of Ukrainian fascism / terrorism?
              But the news is presented as a kind of achievement and a positive phenomenon! Afraid to violate the supply agreement? And the war against Russia and the Polish military on the territory of the Ukrainian Reich, is not a reason for force majeure?
              1. kit88
                kit88 20 December 2022 22: 24
                +5
                Quote: bayard
                But what about stolen from Russia

                But as? No way.
                American property to compensate.

                Of course, you can be offended at everyone, close the borders, do not trade with anyone and do not talk. (How can you go to the West if they are fighting against us:!) But this will not increase our money.

                Or the most radical option. Let's issue an ultimatum and then declare war on them all - America, England and all their pack? Also an option, but not the fact that they will blink first.
                Since it is heard from every iron that we have a war with the West, then this is what we need. But the fact is that no one is in a hurry to go to the next world, either with us or with them.

                So we have what we have. The war on TV, the NWO in Ukraine, the life of the vast majority of Russians as usual, and therefore no one canceled trade. Only now they are adjusting the conditions, and what are we worse?
                1. bayard
                  bayard 20 December 2022 23: 26
                  +5
                  But what about the statements that we will not supply anything (oil) to countries that have adopted a certain "ceiling"?
                  Again an empty bluff to demonstrate?
                  And again - it is supposed to be for rubles.
                  Lose face again?
                  Of course, it's not the first time, but ...
                  Quote: kit88
                  Let's issue an ultimatum and then declare war on them all - America, England and all their pack?

                  And let's assume that this ultimatum has already been sounded? smile
                  Not a drop of oil to the countries that have adopted the "ceiling".
                  And oil is only for rubles at full cost.
                  The discount is now due to the fact that there is nothing to export with ... well, they bought tankers, after all. And they began to insure themselves.
                  Buy elsewhere?
                  And the OPEC countries, on the contrary, have reduced production. They show solidarity.
                  Poland is fighting with our Army with many thousands of its military, and we fuel their tanks, support the economy?
                  I am sure that Hitler would have been away from Russian oil in 1941-1945. I definitely didn’t refuse ... But they didn’t give it. And even in my thoughts this did not arise ... for some reason ... But go, money was also needed.
                  Quote: kit88
                  no one is in a hurry to go to the next world, either with us or with them.

                  And these are different things.
                  Otherwise, it’s possible to sell cartridges to your firing squad before being shot - they need it ... but we have it ... and the money doesn’t seem to interfere ... Will we sell?
                  Quote: kit88
                  War on TV

                  We have quite a reality in the Donbass. And you definitely won't like this reality... Do you want to check? Come.
                  Quote: kit88
                  NWO in Ukraine

                  Now mainly in the newly acquired territories of the Russian Federation. And part of the territories of Russia is now under the occupation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
                  Quote: kit88
                  the life of the vast majority of Russians as usual

                  And someone buries their men.
                  And we have and not only men - shells tear all ages and genders.
                  Quote: kit88
                  trade has not been canceled

                  Do you think this is correct?
                  When did the enemy occupy part of your country?
                  When your cities are bombed (and not only in the Donbass and Kherson region with Zaporizhzhia)?
                  Recently, a Grad shell flew into my house, pierced the roof and the ceiling of the upper floor ... Do you suggest that I fill this Grad with Siberian oil?
                  It is you who "life goes on as usual" when several millions of your compatriots are under fire from your trading partners.
                  Therefore, I am against such a business.
                  1. kit88
                    kit88 21 December 2022 00: 21
                    +8
                    Quote: kit88
                    the life of the vast majority of Russians as usual,

                    I am writing to you about how life is going on in most of the territory of the Russian Federation. This is true. In Moscow, the war is on TV.
                    Russia sometimes has to fight. (Syria, Afghanistan...) Mothers have buried and will continue to bury their sons.

                    Quote: bayard
                    A shell flew into my house the other day

                    You write to me what kind of life you have.
                    Yes....

                    Here are all these questions, from the category "Are you suggesting that I fill this "Grad" with Siberian oil?"- this is not for me. But you yourself know to Whom. The one who swung at the ruble, but smeared it at a penny. / No, maybe we don't know something ... request/
                    I am not proposing anything in this situation, the position is not the right one, to solve global issues of this magnitude, I only state what I see and make my comments on what is happening.
        2. nickname7
          nickname7 20 December 2022 12: 44
          +15
          Tatyana

          And why does Russia need to feed its geopolitical enemies - especially during the war with us - with Russian gas

          Golden words, it’s really amazing that Kachinsky or Duda said something about erasing the Russian Federation from the face of the earth, and the Kremlin supplies oil to these Russophobes, you can be sure that Poland supplies salary to the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
          Two-faced Kremlin.
          Then they wonder why thousands of Russians ran away from mobilization.
      2. Geosun
        Geosun 20 December 2022 14: 43
        -3
        Quote: dmi.pris
        Nothing personal just business

        In this case, the business is not personal. There are long-term contracts, and you will not believe it, but most contracts are honored on both sides.
        Now watch your hands. We do not fulfill the contract, the Europeans sue, naturally they win, we refuse to execute international arbitration, they seize all our assets (there are still many of them not arrested, such as pipelines, etc.), we seize their assets in response. This means the end of any economic cooperation with Europe FOREVER. But the war will end, and what will you do after the war? If any opening of a joint business becomes impossible due to the instant confiscation of the resulting asset. How do you think it is beneficial to our country? Maybe you should think about the future, and not live only for today?
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 20 December 2022 15: 40
          +2
          Quote: Geosun
          But the war will end, and what will you do after the war?

          If the war ends the way Annalenna tells us here, then Kissinger - then yes, we need to think about how we can continue to ask for forgiveness from Europe and America and agree to everything that would not come into their heads.

          Who else, but I hope and am sure that it will end like in 1945. And therefore it is THEY who should think about how they will then return the confiscated to us and tell us that "The Fuhrers come and go, but Germany remains." Many will want to stay on the sidelines, and some will want to crawl into the "winners" on our neck, as in 45.
          That's when we think about the future.
    2. Dimy4
      Dimy4 20 December 2022 12: 25
      +13
      It will be a disgrace if the application is granted.

      But was it ever different? Especially in light of the recent gestures of "good will."
      1. SKVichyakow
        SKVichyakow 20 December 2022 12: 30
        0
        I would like to hope that it will be different. If we change, we change, we don't talk about it.
      2. PSih2097
        PSih2097 20 December 2022 13: 32
        +5
        Quote: Dimy4
        It will be a disgrace if the application is granted.

        But was it ever different? Especially in light of the recent gestures of "good will."

        it has long been clear that temporary workers are in power, the EP party is called PZhIV, and all our General Staff and the army finished off ... but the battalion of Serdyukov's "women with reduced social responsibility" remained in uniform, despite the dismissal of the latter ...
    3. Evgeny Ivanov_5
      Evgeny Ivanov_5 20 December 2022 12: 29
      +9
      He still said "not an inch of his native land" and left Kherson.
    4. credo
      credo 20 December 2022 12: 38
      +5
      Although it can be satisfied, but in a Jesuitic way and something like this - "Rosneft considered the application of Poland and Germany for the supply of oil in December 2022 and for the period of 2023 and, in accordance with the Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation, decided to satisfy it based on the following - sale for 1 barrel of oil at 500 dollars in Russian currency with a preliminary 100% payment of the entire volume of delivery to the current account in the Rossiya Bank.

      Welcome my friends, welcome love
    5. Anachoret
      Anachoret 20 December 2022 12: 39
      +1
      Applications received, but this does not mean that their applications will be provided) maybe the Poles will manage with their sanctions)) they will fill their cars with them))
    6. Alexander Antonov_2
      Alexander Antonov_2 20 December 2022 12: 40
      +1
      The price ceiling does not apply to oil that is delivered through pipelines.
      1. SKVichyakow
        SKVichyakow 20 December 2022 13: 31
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Antonov_2
        The price ceiling does not apply to oil that is delivered through pipelines.

        they left this loophole to themselves without asking us. But Putin said that oil will not be supplied to ALL signatories, and not selectively.
        1. Alexander Antonov_2
          Alexander Antonov_2 20 December 2022 15: 08
          0
          Yes, we will remain without pants (medicines, medicine and pharmaceuticals, components for the same oil industry and probably a lot more) if we don’t sell oil and gas, where you can get the currency, you can’t buy everything for yuan. Probably over time they will find a replacement for European markets.
          1. Expert
            Expert 20 December 2022 17: 11
            +3
            Where can I get currency? So here it is: 300 billion dollars and 318 billion euros! We have not been paid for the already delivered goods in the volume of deliveries for several months, or even years!!! And you offer them more tumble?? In the end, you can scrape together for pills in all sorts of ways, these are not such large amounts. Some of the pharmaceuticals are made in India, and they have rupees, not dollars or euros.
            And "components for the same oil industry" would have long been time to do it ourselves, and not rant about import substitution. Well, something, but this should have been taken care of in the first place, and not necessarily with state money, but let the interested oligarchs fork out.
            1. Alexander Antonov_2
              Alexander Antonov_2 20 December 2022 18: 02
              -1
              Why they didn’t care is another question, now we have what we have.
              1. Expert
                Expert 20 December 2022 18: 14
                +1
                So maybe now is the time to start worrying? Or are you going to blame the past for another 100 years ??
                1. Alexander Antonov_2
                  Alexander Antonov_2 20 December 2022 19: 56
                  0
                  Tell me, who do you think should (and can) do this?
                  1. Expert
                    Expert 20 December 2022 20: 17
                    +2
                    I will not name specifically, I will only say that "who should" and "who can" are different people.
    7. zloybond
      zloybond 20 December 2022 12: 42
      +3
      Well, now we will see - the President will keep his word not to sell to the unfriendly, who supported the ceiling, or everyone will joyfully run, dropping saliva, to open the valve. Well, you can always find an excuse)))) ... Correctly said Sladkov, God forbid we forgive the scoundrels the Germans, the Bulgarians, the Greeks, all their meanness and everything should be only twice as expensive for them - this is the minimum.
      1. dmi.pris1
        dmi.pris1 20 December 2022 13: 56
        +6
        Of course it will. And Russia will supply via pipeline, because the price ceiling concerns delivery by sea. And the pipe? Well, that’s completely different ... Yes, and how without fat. through our bank ... And the fact that the Armed Forces of Ukraine will fill diesel fuel from our oil, and they will go to kill our guys, is the cost of geopolitics, the "grand master" is commanded to believe ..
    8. FoBoss_VM
      FoBoss_VM 20 December 2022 12: 46
      +3
      But I'm sure that they will trade and it is below the price ceiling. Here is 100%
      1. spirit
        spirit 20 December 2022 12: 59
        +7
        But I'm sure that they will trade and it is below the price ceiling. Here is 100%
        If the bookmakers gave a line on this, I would definitely bet that they would trade. This tale only for local hamsters tells about all sorts of genocides and fascists. But in fact ... whoever has fur coats wink
      2. zloybond
        zloybond 20 December 2022 13: 00
        +5
        Will definitely start. Keep the word that it will be forbidden to sell to unfriendly people who have supported the ceiling - they will find an excuse for this ... Well, as soon as Geyropa realizes that we are ready to cave in, then we will immediately be given a price ceiling for coal, grain, gas, metals .... .and flooded. If one day you don’t start to refuse, especially to the traitors of the former countries, brothers, consider the end of the story. You can close the shop of patriots.
        1. SKVichyakow
          SKVichyakow 20 December 2022 13: 37
          0
          Quote: zloybond
          Well, as soon as Geyropa realizes that we are ready to cave in, then we will immediately make a price ceiling for coal, grain, gas, metals ..... and flooded.

          Since it will be exactly as you wrote, I think the mind is enough not to do this.
    9. Johnson Smithson
      Johnson Smithson 20 December 2022 12: 50
      -1
      Putin said that they would not trade oil with the signatories of the ceiling on oil prices from Russia. Check for lice.

      they said this about new contracts, they said about the old ones that they would act
    10. Machito
      Machito 20 December 2022 13: 05
      -2
      Quote: SKVichyakow
      It will be a disgrace if the application is granted. Putin said that they would not trade oil with the signatories of the ceiling on oil prices from Russia. Check for lice.

      And what is the disgrace? Set the oil price floor (minimum price) at $100 per barrel. If they want to buy, they will buy. Or let them look around the market, look for cheaper pipeline oil of the Ural brand. laughing
      1. SKVichyakow
        SKVichyakow 20 December 2022 13: 39
        0
        Quote: Bearded
        And what is the disgrace?

        Zloybond wrote WHY above. Only a sick person would do that.
    11. ABC-schutze
      ABC-schutze 20 December 2022 13: 10
      +2
      You're right...

      Moreover, any "applications" of this kind, if Russia even considers the possibility of their implementation, must necessarily include a "mechanism for financial compensation for damage" from the illegal seizure of Russian sovereign assets. In the form of a "corresponding additive" to the price of Russian (and any other ...) oil pumped through Druzhba, if the "applicants" are economic entities of countries involved in the theft of Russian sovereign assets ...

      In short, Russia needs, at every opportunity, and BY SPOTLIGHT (just as its sovereign assets were stolen by the West ...), "turn on a fine, a compensation meter" ...

      Do not agree?.. Let them freeze, stop production and overpay other suppliers. If they still promptly find "where to take" the oil coming from them ... And at what price? ..
    12. Alexga
      Alexga 20 December 2022 13: 31
      0
      It will be a disgrace if the application is granted. Putin said that they would not trade oil with the signatories of the ceiling on oil prices from Russia.

      I think the issue will be the price of oil. But such deliveries to such countries do not look very nice.
      1. ABC-schutze
        ABC-schutze 20 December 2022 13: 45
        +10
        Logically, under the present conditions, it would be the same as that, during the Great Patriotic War, the Third Reich would have sent Moscow an "application" for "additional supplies" of Baku oil ... Due to the lack of Romanian oil, to ensure the activities economy of the Third Reich...

        Today, Berlin and Warsaw, like the Third Reich during the Great Patriotic War, are DIRECT military ENEMIES of Russia .. Intensively and thoughtfully inflicting military and economic damage on Russia ...
    13. Aristarkh Pasechnik
      Aristarkh Pasechnik 20 December 2022 14: 08
      +2
      In the meantime, first of all, there is no price! And the price ceiling for Russian oil - it will not apply to pipeline oil! Something like this!
      1. SKVichyakow
        SKVichyakow 20 December 2022 15: 25
        +1
        Quote: Aristarkh Pasechnik
        In the meantime, first of all, there is no price!

        As no, the ceiling is 60 dollars ..
    14. Barberry25
      Barberry25 20 December 2022 15: 04
      -5
      everything depends on the price - if they take the market price, then let them take it, and if they blather to the ceiling, which was tied up, as it were, for sea transportation, then it will be refused
      1. SKVichyakow
        SKVichyakow 20 December 2022 15: 27
        +2
        Quote: Barberry25
        everything depends on the price - if they take the market price, then let them take it, and if they blather to the ceiling, which was tied up, as it were, for sea transportation, then it will be refused

        Did you think about the consequences for this precedent?
        1. Barberry25
          Barberry25 20 December 2022 15: 50
          -4
          consequences, this is if we sell at the price of the ceiling.
          1. SKVichyakow
            SKVichyakow 20 December 2022 17: 00
            +2
            Quote: Barberry25
            consequences, this is if we sell at the price of the ceiling.

            The consequences are when everyone and everything starts to install ceilings at their discretion. The main thing is to create a precedent.
            1. Barberry25
              Barberry25 20 December 2022 20: 05
              -3
              well, we'll see what happens, and there you can already discuss it, while it's all with a pitchfork on the water
  2. svp67
    svp67 20 December 2022 12: 18
    +17
    And then the fuel made from this oil is poured into the tanks of Ukrainian tanks
    1. Sovpadenie
      Sovpadenie 20 December 2022 12: 28
      -4
      I have nothing against the proceeds going to our own military-industrial complex
    2. Johnson Smithson
      Johnson Smithson 20 December 2022 12: 54
      0
      and then the money from the sale of oil goes to our military-industrial complex for the production of weapons and the purchase of electronics through third countries,
      Or are you ready to spend your salary on this?

      the collapse of the USSR began just because of problems with the economy, that now the economy is still afloat - a huge plus
      1. svp67
        svp67 20 December 2022 13: 37
        0
        Quote from Johnson Smithson
        and then the money from the sale of oil goes to our military-industrial complex for the production of weapons and the purchase of electronics through third countries,

        as well as for treatment and funerals ...
      2. ABC-schutze
        ABC-schutze 20 December 2022 14: 24
        +2
        All these wise "explanations", in the context of the war waged by Warsaw and Berlin against Russia, no longer "roll" ...

        The enemy, in the course of the war he is waging against your state and killing your military personnel, destroying your economy, does not sell their resources to "maintain his pants". Even for enemy "big money" ...

        Especially if the enemy's economy is in a big and deep "span". The enemy must be finished off in principle and consistently, by all available methods and means. Even if it requires its own, short-term economic costs ... No war, never and nowhere, has not been, is not being waged and will not be waged without economic costs ...

        The only exception is the States that were sitting overseas during the First and Second World Wars. The economy of which had "gain" from the war ...

        But today, even the states with their economies, "overseas" will not sit out ...

        The only, hypothetical exception is to OPENLY and DEMONSTRATELY include in the price of the "market" resource supplied to the enemy TENSIBLE "penalties" - i.e. "online" compensation, for causing damage to your country ...
      3. ABC-schutze
        ABC-schutze 20 December 2022 14: 29
        +2
        And what are the problems? ... If the state turns to the population for help and clearly explains why ... Then why not "use" part of the salary for a military loan? .. Or annual military loans? ..

        Taking into account the fact that achieving the goal and solving the main tasks of the NWO, in the face of opposition from the United States, NATO and the EU, may require not months, but a couple or three years? ..

        What are the reasons for your "skepticism" then? .. Regarding the readiness of the Russians to help the course of the NWO, incl. and "from their salaries"?..
  3. forty-eighth
    forty-eighth 20 December 2022 12: 18
    +6
    Laugh, let them pump. And what? Money doesn't smell.
    1. Hagen
      Hagen 20 December 2022 12: 41
      0
      Quote: forty-eighth
      Laugh, let them pump. And what? Money doesn't smell.

      Of course, money doesn't smell. Only 300 people were called up from the economy to the NMD, each was promised 200 a month. And this is 000 billion rubles, and this is only a direct salary. And the entire defense industry has earned in three or four shifts, the products of which are bought by the state for the same NWO. Where do you suggest getting them? If you manage to compensate, then declare that there is no need to sell oil to Europeans ... So it would be better not to be sarcastic, but at least to sympathize with our leaders who are patching up this "Trishkin caftan". They are there, by and large, some die in "armchair silence" from premature strokes and heart attacks .... They are not given "heroes". Yes, in general, their difficulties and merits are known extremely rarely and reluctantly. Look how many designers and directors died out in their prime after the war due to inhuman overvoltage. Thinking strongly today
      differently? It’s just that the GDP here protects us a lot and does not announce a freeze of salaries and pensions, a seven-day work week and a ten-hour working day, a ban on changing jobs, voluntary-compulsory internal loan bonds, budget sequestrations at all levels and other measures, once used in the 40s and 50s. Well, in response, we relaxed, in the hope that the war would take place somewhere and would not affect the refrigerator with a ticket to Turkey.
      1. FoBoss_VM
        FoBoss_VM 20 December 2022 12: 51
        +1
        Our leaders had to think more about the power and greatness of our common homeland, and not about enriching themselves and the clans of their buddies. About real import substitution and not about postscripts on paper. Yes, there is a lot more about something ... So how cordial they are there and how they are going to patch up Trishkin's torn caftan with them is the least of my worries. Inside out let them turn out
      2. forty-eighth
        forty-eighth 20 December 2022 14: 03
        +2
        Quote: Hagen

        And this is 60 billion rubles, and this is only a direct salary.

        One billion dollars is just. The size of the capital of only one person from the last line of Forbes.
        Where do you suggest getting them? Will you be able to compensate

        Yes. Cut the salaries of Xie, Mi and other snitches.
        sympathize with our leaders

        And I already. Already teared up.
        They are there, by and large, some die in "armchair silence" from premature strokes and heart attacks .... They are not given "heroes".

        And at this place already burst into tears.
        It's just that GDP protects us a lot here

        Well, let's say he does not protect us, but the bridges across the Dnieper and the administrative buildings of Kyiv.
        on budget cuts at all levels

        Take a closer look at budget policy.
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 20 December 2022 14: 11
          -4
          Quote: forty-eighth
          One billion dollars is just.

          To be honest, I didn’t expect anything else ... Excuses in the absence of knowledge of arithmetic .... Well, what kind of demand from you ?!
          1. forty-eighth
            forty-eighth 20 December 2022 14: 16
            +2
            Quote: Hagen
            Well, what is your demand?

            First you ask, then you wonder why you asked...
            One billion dollars is just.

            However, I am glad that there were no objections to the rest of the arguments.
            1. Hagen
              Hagen 20 December 2022 14: 19
              -3
              Quote: forty-eighth
              However, I am glad that there were no objections to the rest of the arguments.

              And you didn't provide any arguments. So, a surge of immature emotions. And I'm too lazy to comment on it somehow.
      3. PSih2097
        PSih2097 20 December 2022 14: 06
        0
        Quote: Hagen
        Only 300 people were called up from the economy to the NMD, each was promised 200 a month. And this is 000 billion rubles, and this is only a direct salary.

        no, there is 200, they deduct for everything, up to the fact that the purchase was not made by the military department.
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 20 December 2022 14: 16
          -2
          Quote: PSih2097
          no, there is 200, they deduct for everything, up to the fact that the purchase was not made by the military department.

          Maybe you should still stay there? Share, it is interesting to know what you have deducted and how much. Subject to each case. If you are talking about yourself.
          1. PSih2097
            PSih2097 20 December 2022 15: 38
            0
            Quote: Hagen
            Maybe you should still stay there? Share, it is interesting to know what you have deducted and how much. Subject to each case. If you are talking about yourself.

            Sorry, but I don’t fit in age, although according to my VUS there are not enough people (so only and exclusively with general mobilization), but after talking with the people who talked with LDNRovtsavmi, they bought what they advised, and not what our MO needed . (compensation zero integers and zero tenths)
            And YES, YouTube already has video tutorials from fighters, what you need to have with you on the Ukrainian front.
            1. Hagen
              Hagen 20 December 2022 15: 56
              -1
              Quote: PSih2097
              but after talking with the people who talked with LDNRovtsavmi

              It's clear ... At 2-3 handshakes, information can change by 180 degrees.
  4. Vladimir80
    Vladimir80 20 December 2022 12: 18
    +3
    Here is the moment of truth. Now we will find out the price of the statements of our elite ...
    1. Dimy4
      Dimy4 20 December 2022 12: 29
      +7
      Now we will find out the price of the statements of our elite ...

      I understood about what the statements of the top are worth even from the statements about the retirement age, when some people beat themselves in the chest with their fists.
    2. Sovpadenie
      Sovpadenie 20 December 2022 12: 29
      +1
      At the moment, we have learned the price of Western integrity in relation to their own anti-Russian sanctions
  5. Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 20 December 2022 12: 20
    +3
    The Russian company Transneft has received applications from Germany and Poland for pumping oil for next year through the Druzhba pipeline.

    Earlier, these countries stated that by the end of the year they intend to completely abandon pipeline oil supplies from Russia, however, they submitted applications for pumping for the next 2023.

    But what about the sanctions policy?! Or is it not up to her now ?!
    Well, now break them the price for Our goods and let them go around the market, bargain!
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 20 December 2022 12: 56
      -1
      Quote: Starover_Z
      Well, now break them the price for Our goods and let them go around the market, bargain!

      When politicians yell about prices, they can be compared to a beggar yelling at the bazaar about limiting prices for an eighth of bread, and businessmen really think and really allow pricing policy.
  6. expert
    expert 20 December 2022 12: 22
    +10
    I would be very positively surprised if the application is rejected. I am writing, and I myself do not believe that this can happen.
    The Bulgarians, as an example, are in full swing buying oil from Russia and, after processing, they drive fuel and lubricants to Ukraine. am
  7. Petr_Koldunov
    Petr_Koldunov 20 December 2022 12: 26
    +7
    So what? Applications accepted? In fact, following the Kremlin's vows, with those who support the oil price ceiling, Russia no longer trades in oil.
    And these people did not just support the oil price ceiling - they proposed this law, prepared and lobbied. And the Poles also demanded to reduce the ceiling. Applications were not even supposed to be accepted by our side ... to throw in the face in response - and that's it!
    It’s not just about trading with European scum - there’s nothing to talk about with them !!!
    1. dmi.pris1
      dmi.pris1 20 December 2022 12: 30
      +1
      Here is an interesting point. Maybe I'm wrong, but the ceiling for oil applies to tankers, pipeline oil does not apply. Although you are right. This application should be suitable for going to the toilet
  8. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 20 December 2022 12: 29
    +3
    there is no data on the price at which Poland and Germany are going to buy oil from Russia. With a ceiling or without a ceiling?
    It was officially announced that Russia would not sell oil to countries that supported the oil price ceiling. Here we'll see. However, if Poland and Germany pay at the price specified in the previously concluded agreements, then they can sell it. To tell the truth, neither Poland nor Germany can sell our energy resources today categorically, because. this is exclusively to their own detriment, and primarily in political and image terms.
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 20 December 2022 12: 35
      +1
      Oil price ceilings, only for shipping. Turn on your brain for what it is. Isolation of Russia in favor of your loved ones.
  9. APASUS
    APASUS 20 December 2022 12: 32
    0
    I would throw a price tag of 20 percent on this oil, insurance against unpredictability, otherwise you can buy from the USA. There are special conditions for free oil deliveries from America
  10. Maverick1812
    Maverick1812 20 December 2022 12: 32
    +2
    Isn't it time for the psheks to *t*sat?! Tired already.
  11. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 20 December 2022 12: 33
    0
    Price ceilings do not apply to pipeline oil. Thank you, "kind" people. Ukraine will be against it, wait for others. All the same, you will be silent if anything. But oil is not gas, it will spoil everything.
  12. Uprun
    Uprun 20 December 2022 12: 34
    +2
    As always, they wanted to stir up the quiet, but then the journalists sniffed out ..., well, it started ... They will be justified, the conditions were rolled out at a price below the lower limit ..., it’s not convenient how it happened in front of Macron / Bidon ..., we are our bourgeois ..... but oil is needed.
    Understand, forgive (Bearded man).
  13. art having
    art having 20 December 2022 12: 35
    0
    Lyakhi-disgrace! Fuck their collar!
  14. Two diplomas
    Two diplomas 20 December 2022 12: 40
    +4
    Quote: SKVichyakow
    It will be a disgrace if the application is granted. Putin said that they would not trade oil with the signatories of the ceiling on oil prices from Russia. Check for lice.

    There, the Portuguese citizen Abramovich in Canada began to seize the assets, we are waiting for the next "act" from the GDP.
  15. Dave36
    Dave36 20 December 2022 12: 40
    -2
    Russia is a reliable supplier of resources....
  16. Two diplomas
    Two diplomas 20 December 2022 12: 42
    +3
    In this situation, we can only hope that the stubbornly ideological Nazis will eventually blow up the pipe of friendship so that our children can finally build a pipe of justice.
  17. Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
    Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov 20 December 2022 12: 43
    +3
    “The Russian company Transneft received applications from Germany and Poland for pumping oil for the next year through the Druzhba pipeline” —

    ***
    - Though the tobacco is apart, but "Friendship" is friendship ...

    ***
    1. I dare to_notice_
      I dare to_notice_ 20 December 2022 13: 38
      -1
      Trade again...
      Holy thing!
  18. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 20 December 2022 12: 45
    -3
    The agreement signed earlier with the leading Polish oil refinery Orlen provided for the supply of raw materials in the amount of 3 million tons over the next year.

    Undoubtedly, the apparent "inactivity" of Russia in terms of retaliatory sanctions irritates many. But not everything is so simple.
    Russia continues to fulfill its obligations under previously signed treaties, despite personal differences. The US sanctions policy and pressure on Europe hit not only the economies of Western countries. They cause much more significant damage to the West - reputational damage. By the end of the confrontation, no one in the world in their right mind wants to get involved with Western companies or their governments. And if somewhere they say something like: “We urgently need to cut off oil and gas supplies to everyone!” , then this is either a very distant person, or a “mishandled Cossack”. The West itself, by its behavior, exacerbates its position in the world, and the world is not Ecropa and Anglo-Saxony, it is much larger than them.
    1. Vladimir80
      Vladimir80 20 December 2022 13: 10
      0
      Exactly, and add pathetically "our answer will be asymmetric, we will not abandon trade to our detriment, it was not possible to isolate us" (sarcasm)
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 20 December 2022 15: 06
        -1
        Quote: Vladimir80
        Exactly, and add pathetically "our answer will be asymmetric, we will not abandon trade to our detriment, it was not possible to isolate us"

        And thanks for the sarcasm, it means everything is in order.
        And you will trade "even with the devil", you need to survive, you need big money for the war.
  19. Mark68
    Mark68 20 December 2022 13: 19
    +4
    Let them explain to Russian soldiers going on the attack and risking their lives why Russia is still cooperating with countries that provide military and economic assistance to the ukroreich. For some reason I am sure that the application will be approved, and even the price may be reduced.
  20. Toorik
    Toorik 20 December 2022 14: 06
    -1
    the decree will not apply to agreements concluded before December 5
    As far as I understand, the purchase contracts were signed before December 5 ...
    1. Expert
      Expert 20 December 2022 18: 05
      -1
      If applications are submitted only now, then the contracts cannot physically be concluded earlier.
  21. Rust
    Rust 20 December 2022 14: 30
    +1
    If we have somewhere to drive oil, I think the enemies are supposed to refuse.
    Oh yes, partners.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 20 December 2022 15: 08
      -1
      Quote: Rust
      If we have somewhere to drive oil, I think the enemies are supposed to refuse.
      Oh yes, partners.

      In fact, this is another front in the fight against the West, aimed at the reaction of the entire world community. The results of the battle on this front have more serious consequences than even the results of the information struggle.
  22. Oberleutnant
    Oberleutnant 20 December 2022 14: 33
    -1
    Yes, our smart politicians miscalculated. They hoped for oil from Venezuela and from other countries. Your oil is processed in Shved. Re-equipment of the plant for other grades of oil costs hundreds of millions. Euro. And there is no money for it. And I have one more question: how did American oil get into Arab and Venezuelan lands?
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 20 December 2022 15: 18
      0
      Quote: Oberleutnant
      Yes, our smart politicians miscalculated. They hoped for oil from Venezuela and from other countries. Your oil is processed in Shved.

      On December 15, an agreement appeared that the refinery, “squeezed out” as a result of the state raider attack by the German authorities from PJSC Rosneft, would receive raw materials from Poland.
      In general, the property of Rosneft PJSC stolen by the Germans is 3 oil refineries (also MiRo and Bayernoil). Rosneft Germany, which manages them, accounted for 12% of Germany's total oil refining capacity.
      It was necessary to supply you - the West (Germany included) not with Urals, Siberian Light, Sokol, Vityaz, ARCO, Sakhalin Blend, but with gasoline, fuel oil, marine fuel (DMA, DMX, DMZ, RMA), diesel fuel EN 590, D- 2, D-6, atmospheric, vacuum gas oils, jet fuel JP-54, Jet A-1.
      Supply only the product. Even if on the terms of EXW EX Works or FCA Free Carrier, let the buyer transport it himself, earning on transportation and resale (if possible), but you have to make everything yourself.
      What the Chinese are doing is supplying a product, not a "semi-finished product".
      1. Vasily Novikov
        Vasily Novikov 21 December 2022 08: 45
        +1
        Shit to them (Poland and Germany), not oil. How many Russian soldiers and civilians have already been killed with the help of their weapons. And the Poles gladly undertook to fight in Ukraine!
  23. evgen1221
    evgen1221 20 December 2022 14: 39
    +1
    And if they didn’t go, we know perfectly well what kind of candy wrappers we buy oil for fuel for Ukraine.
  24. arthh
    arthh 20 December 2022 14: 52
    +2
    Poland is the one that recognized Russia as a sponsor of terrorism. Only trade with her
  25. Sergiys_Prime
    Sergiys_Prime 20 December 2022 21: 30
    +1
    Most commenters make no distinction between pipeline deliveries and the G7 price cap for Russian offshore oil deliveries.
    There is a war of attrition. Whoever lasts the longest wins.
    And it should be Russia, not America, which is doing everything to stay afloat last, drowning everyone else. We shouldn't help her. War is expensive...
  26. Vasily Novikov
    Vasily Novikov 21 December 2022 08: 41
    +1
    If our Russia is still a colony of the United States and Abramovich rules the country on their behalf, then Peskov will again proudly declare that we (the fifth column) are always happy to serve the enemies of Russia!
  27. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 21 December 2022 08: 58
    +1
    = At the same time, there is no data on the price at which Poland and Germany are going to buy oil from Russia. With ceiling or without ceiling?
    Barter only. In exchange for the goods we need. And they agree where to go.
  28. restless
    restless 22 December 2022 11: 58
    0
    How cool they are spoiling us, and we give them oil and gas, our hucksters of the regions do not see when they are suppressed or suppressed, but they will definitely wait ..