Kurginyan: at the end of the 80-ies a catastrophe occurred

"I prefer to call the system created by Gorbachev and Yeltsin a Dumpster"

Tomorrow in Yekaterinburg political analyst, director, founder and leader of the movement “The Essence of Time” Sergey Kurginyan will speak. Recently, a public figure who “tours” around the cities of Russia quite often has managed to attract the attention of many who share his views and, on the contrary, who disagree with the ideas of the movement and the proposed scenario of the future of Russia. The IA “Actual” decided to form its opinion on Sergey Kurginyan by asking him a few questions. In our conversation, Sergey Yervandovich outlined his vision of the state of affairs in the country, calling the events “Dumpster”, which the “Essence of Time” will fight with - that is, with everything negative that exists in the Russian state today. In order for the reader to make his own opinion, we publish the words of Sergey Kurginyan without editing in full.

-At the meeting on Poklonnaya Hill, you said that you are an opponent of the current policy of Vladimir Putin. What exactly do you criticize - social reforms, national policies, international relations?

I have talked about this many times. I will say it again. Although, unfortunately, a short answer to this question is impossible. At the end of the 80s, there was a terrible disaster. It was not only the meanings that transformed the population of the USSR into a solid solidarity were destroyed. It can be called the "Soviet people" or "union of peoples." The fact is that this community was, that it was sealed with certain semantic braces. And that these clamps were completely removed by perestroika, who organized a full-fledged war against this community. But that was not the end of it. Perestroika crushed the environment from which meanings grow. You can call this environment "ideal as such."

So, it was crushed by all of which could grow any sense. Even those that would suit perestroika. When I talk about the meanings that suit perestroika, I assume that someone from perestroika really wanted to organize a new life in our territory. The alternative hypothesis, you see, is too gloomy. But suppose that someone wanted to organize a new full life on our territory. After what the perestroika staged, this “someone” could not do anything like that. For it must be done with the help of meanings - albeit completely different from the former, but precisely meanings. And these meanings can no longer be brought into the world of God. After all, the environment in which they need to grow, destroyed. Feel the scale of the disaster?

She, by the way, lasts to this day. I call it “metaphysical”, but if someone likes it more, we call it “ideal disaster”. This is easier, although the accuracy of the formulation is lost. But when answering your question you need not accuracy, but intelligibility. From my point of view, I quite clearly described the essence of the act of Gorbachev. Has Putin been involved in this? Not. He was at this time, to put it mildly, not the largest rank in foreign intelligence. I was abroad. By definition, did not participate in any of the above.

I turn from Gorbachev to Yeltsin. Yeltsin continued the Gorbachev case. Television, print with unrestrained rage cracked down not only with history and ideology, but also with the soil from which any meanings grow. At the Security Council, headed by Yeltsin, it was stated that "the national idea should be money." This is the classic formula of a criminal state. Money is a very important regulator of life, a regulator of the processes occurring in the material environment. But to make them an idea ... This is the classic cult of the Golden Calf.

What is the cult of the Golden Calf? This is a statement of the validity of the sale for the money of everything, anything - because money is above all. Are you ready to sell your child, a loved one for money? Not ready. And sell the money for the honor, meaning? Well, so ... It was said that everything can be sold. And it aggravated the catastrophe of meanings. This is a monstrous war with meanings, organized, for example, by the same Gusinsky empire.

So, Yeltsin continued the destruction of all the ideal prerequisites for organizing life on the territory. That is, the strengthening of all anti-ideal prerequisites for the disorganization of life. But he added to this the material prerequisites for the disorganization of life, having built criminal capitalism in five years (from 1991 to 1996). The Soviet population did not have legal savings. So, the initial savings were criminal or subcriminal. To accelerate the construction of capitalism meant to give the property into the hands of criminal and sub-criminal elements. Chubais bluntly said that he did just that. Criminally and sub-criminal elements, having acquired property, began to destroy the material prerequisites for the organization of life in the territory. The crime for this purpose also exists to attack these premises. Turning crime into the ruling class meant attacking such premises with incredible power. Two processes came together - the catastrophe of the ideal prerequisites for organizing life in the territory and the catastrophe for the material prerequisites for organizing life in the territory.

What happened was not just the sum of two catastrophes. The amount is half the trouble. Unfortunately, an active chemical reaction began, during which two catastrophes, when combined, formed something more than each of them separately. Began a systemic regression. See how much you need to say in anticipation of the answer to your main question? Agree that this systemic regress — deindustrialization, de-culturalization, de-socialization, and so on — was built without Putin. Putin’s appearance in the political arena at the end of the Yeltsin period does not mean Putin’s full participation in all of the above. He was one of the functionaries of the System, erected by Gorbachev and Yeltsin. It would be more accurate to call the Antisystem built by them. Unless, of course, do not invest in this term gumilevskogo content. And since this content will necessarily be invested in a similar term by someone, I prefer to call this System named after Gorbachev and Yeltsin Dumpster.

So, there was a big trash. For this Dumpster ran greedy utilizers. Grabbed all that is bad. Robbed They killed. The cesspool prepared for the disappearance, disintegration into parts, transition under external control, and so on. And then Putin came. What did he do with the trash? He organized the garbage life. Divided the trash into parts. Established standards scavenge recycling. Appointed representatives who should monitor disposal. And so on. Who does not like the term trash, I can offer other terms. Well, for example, Zone. This is not just a criminal term. Although he, in this case, is fully competent. It is also the Strugatsky brothers. Remember their Zone H? Or is their castle doomed? Or their own roadside picnic? Or Stalker with his Zone? It's all about the same. Our country is indeed a disaster area - a disaster of ideal and material prerequisites that ensure a full life.

Here it is very important that not only life-supporting factors were attacked, but also prerequisites for regenerating these factors. The enemy made the decision to clean everything up so as to have a thousand percent guarantee that the normal life in our territory will not be restored to normal. But back to the image of the trash. Putin streamlined life in the trash. Created all the guidance systems pomoechnogo order and so on. The garbage can, preparing for a quick death, became the site of a long orderly agony. If Putin had not done this, the trash would have died in the 2000 year. Now, by streamlining garbage life, the trash can live up to the 2017 year.

How to treat this? On the one hand, if the trash had died, we would no longer discuss with you the reorganization of Russian life. And we are discussing. On the other hand, what's the point to prolong the waste of being? There is only one meaning - to accumulate forces in order to turn the scum of life into being, possessing a completely different quality. The question is not to organize life in the Dumpster, but to overuse the waste. Putin does not do this. He improves the organization of life in the trash.

Therefore, I spoke then and now I say that I am against this policy, this philosophy, and so on. Another component of this philosophy and this policy is the fastening of the Dumpster to Europe. They say that Europe needs a trash. But if our elite is not the owner of any Dumpster, but a Dumpster of Europe, then this is a great result for our pseudo-elite. After all, the Dump in the framework of a huge European home has a huge capitalization. And having gained such capitalization, our elite gains a pan-European status. The dream of a similar status and a similar place in the global division of labor was born in the Soviet era and was turned into a big project by the Andropov KGB.

What is entry into Europe? Here, in fact, it must be said exactly what quality we enter there. When negotiating, we must admit that now we can enter Europe as the Great Garbage Dump - ecological and so on. And our elite was quite ready to enter Europe precisely in that capacity. But then the difficulties began. Putin and part of his team are not ready to divide the trash into parts. This is your humble servant who calls our present being an organized garbage dump. And the patriotic part of Putin’s team has a different assessment of the qualities of this being. More precisely, there is a whole range of ratings. But the assessment I have outlined above does not fit this spectrum in any way. In short, when the Europeans said that in order to be integrated into Europe, the Dumpster was to be divided into parts, Putin and part of his team balked.

It was then that Bolotnaya Square, Sakharov Avenue, the “creative class” uprising and other far-reaching pranks arose. And now what? We must continue to insist on the entry of all of our garbage in Europe? What does it mean to insist on it? After all, Europe decides in what form we need it. And our elite does not have a different concept, apart from entering Europe. Our entire elite is made up of Westerners. Putin is no exception. This Westernism is alien to me at once in three senses. The first. Today's West is a mutant. This is not the classic West, which could, if not love, then respect. Second. No one will let us in Europe entirely, even as a single garbage.

Third. They need us in the form of garbage, and yes even divided into parts. But let them be necessary for them in the form of a single Dustbin - for ourselves, we need them in a different capacity. Having answered so extensively to the question of why I am opposed to Putin’s policies and why I’m at the same time an even greater adversary of the “Dumpster cleaners”, they are bog-sugar liberals, I can answer your other questions in a much shorter way.

-14 October, the Center for Strategic Research released a report on the changing political moods of Russian citizens after the presidential election. The results of a study of the opinions of representatives of different segments of the population showed that people, on the one hand, do not want revolutionary upheavals, on the other hand, they do not believe in a “legitimate change of power in elections”. At the same time, the credibility of the institutions of power and, first of all, of the president has significantly changed "from negative to hostile and alienated." In your opinion, can these sentiments in society change if Putin maintains the ideology of stability?

First, people are increasingly aware of the waste of life that is offered to them. They are unhappy with this. Can they be blamed for it? Secondly, the garbage has its own logic. Its resources are not infinite. And the division of scavenging resources always does not suit very many. Wash life, by definition, is unstable.

It can only prolong its power by creating prerequisites for insurrections organized according to the same scouring law. The garbage-clearing hungry and half-starved elite, not allowed to a particularly large-scale robbery, will rebel against the garbage-collecting super elite.

And also against the sharing of resources with the entire population of the trash.

And also against the axiom, according to which the cesspool should be one and indivisible. Life in the garbage is decomposition. And decomposition cannot be combined with the stability of any type, except, of course, the stability of the liquidation one (we destroy part of the breeder population and by this we buy temporary stability).

- Is it even possible that the alarming signals for the authorities will be heard, and we are waiting for a change in course or its substantial adjustment?

What are the rules for making these adjustments? By garbage or anti garbage? What will be the social base of adjustments, their vector? You must admit that everything depends on the attitude towards the garbage. At least from the recognition of the correctness of this metaphor. Otherwise, there is no way out of the impasse. You can not navigate in reality and the more so to change it if you ignore all the main characteristics of this very reality.

- As the Levada Center study showed, almost two thirds of citizens believe that the parliament and other public institutions in Russia, including the federal media, are subordinate to the executive branch. The most amazing thing is that such a “vertical of power” does not suit the majority of Russians (66% of respondents) with insufficient rigidity. This suggests that citizens do not see a real alternative, despite the increased protest moods, the emergence of new movements and parties, there is no confidence in the leaders of the opposition. What specific program can the movement “The Essence of Time” offer in addition to theoretical studies? Is there such a program, or is it under development?

I do not believe the "Levada Center" in general. And I have the most serious reasons for this. The “Essence of Time” has its own sociological center “AKSIO”. We conduct much more detailed research than the Levada Center. Very experienced sociologists work with us. As for the media, there is no subordination of their single executive vertical. To do this, just watch the program Maksimovskaya REN-TV. There is trash optimism and trash pessimism. “The Essence of Time” is really seriously developing an anti-washing program. In essence, for this we are gathered.

- Will your movement be transformed into a party in order to have more opportunities to influence social and political processes in Russia?

For thirty years now I have been following the activities of the Muslim Brotherhood organization with great attention. From the ideological point of view, this organization is terribly far to me. And from the political - hostile insofar as professes the principle of the caliphate, that is, the destruction of my homeland. But from the point of view of the system architecture, the Muslim Brotherhood is organized very effectively. This is not a party, but much more. I will emphasize once again - I am guided by this type of organization from the point of view of the system architecture, and nothing more. It is very important to emphasize.

Well, now, we need to create something more than a party, and then create a party or parties, this is our principle. Any other type of organizational construction contradicts our ideas and principles. First we will create something more than a party, and then a party or parties. The simplest example is that we have a lot of supporters in the countries of the so-called near abroad. What position will we put them in if we restrict ourselves to elementary party building?

-Now we are witnessing an attempt to create an interesting alliance - the Communists + Orthodox. Is there a chance for this union, and what is the potential? Is this a real alliance or friendship against someone or something? For example, against the same package of laws on social patronage and juvenile justice? Will the alliance disintegrate after reaching the goals? After all, whatever theorists may say about “Orthodox communism” or “Christian communism”, for many ROC adherents the communist regime is, first of all, persecution of the church, destruction of the priesthood, closure of the churches?

We are talking about the real synthesis of communism and Christianity, communism and religion in general. What does the past have to do with it? There were mistakes in the past, otherwise we would not fall apart. We want to create the USSR 2.0 on the basis of a very strongly transformed communist ideology. And we believe that this is possible. In Latin America, something similar has already happened. Yes, there is a huge bill among religious people for atheistic communism and atheistic communists for religion. But there is something more - the fate of the Motherland, which we defend, of overcoming degrading pomoechnom being and so on. On this basis, much can be overcome. And I am convinced that this overcoming will be realized. At least, “The Essence of Time” only works for this.

-How much does our opposition, with its charismatic leaders, who are not leaving television screens, represent a real force, ready to change life in the country for the better, and a threat to power? Who said these leaders are charismatic?

In what sense do they not leave the screens? What will be the role of these screens in the coming years? Can we save the Motherland if we do not create alternatives to these screens instead of rushing to them? As for the threat of power, then again, the question of the garbage can be at the forefront. What power? Power over the trash? Hegel would say "power for the garbage." Or power, overcoming the "garbage rock"? "The Essence of Time" is only interested in overcoming this Doom.

-What will be the regrouping of the forces of the opponents of the Kremlin? What alliances do you see?

I have already named some principles. For example, the principle of the integrity of the trash. Or the principle of entering the garbage in Europe. According to these principles, the forces will be regrouped. Liberals will demand the dismemberment of the Dumpster in the name of its fastest entry into Europe. Conservatives will abut. Disgruntled bourgeois will require the redistribution of resources of the trash. The owners of the trash will uphold the status quo. And so on. It is possible and necessary to be engaged in detail analytics Dumpsters. But from a strategic point of view, only one thing is important - the accumulation of forces to overcome the waste. At least, “The Essence of Time” will deal only with this.

- From the point of view of history, what scenario of events in Russia do you predict?

Well, you also ask about the story. This, in fact, still needs to be proved that we are at the next stage of the historical process. The main scenario, of course, will be inertial. This will be the scenario of the balance of intrawash forces while maintaining a scavenging consensus framework. But the point is not what the main scenario will be. The main scenario in August 1917 was the complete destruction of Russia. And we still somehow twitch, even now. And before that, several times saved humanity, for which it answered us with black ingratitude. By the way, is it possible to call such an answer “historical”? Alas, in such an interview it is impossible to fully disclose the meaning of such categories as “historicity”. I already balance on the verge of being allowed for an interview, answering your very difficult questions.

“Do you really think the return of socialism is real?”

The movement "The Essence of Time" comes up with the concept of "USSR 2.0", how much is the revival real, and most importantly, relevant? And how do you think this can be realized, is interested in the mechanism itself and the timing of the implementation of the idea? Or Dumpster - or USSR 2.0. In today's life, alas, the alternatives are just that. I say “alas” because I understand how difficult it is to put the 2.0 into practice in the USSR. But I just don’t see any other alternatives that allow us to overcome the monstrous situation of the Dumpster.

Comments

[avdkrd]

Article plus. The current status of our country is very honestly formulated.

[ughhh]

In fact, the article is about chaos in our people’s heads and they themselves don’t know what they want. Because in the country a mess.

[Civil]

ughhh,

devastation she in the head (s)

whether to reconcile with the distribution of state wealth .. that is the question

[crazyrom]

Kurginyan is a very good man, a patriot, but sometimes he seems to exaggerate a little. Although it is better to overtake than not to finish.

[sergey32]

ughhh,
You definitely noticed about the chaos in the heads, for the same thoughts in the comments they first minus, then put the pluses. Paradox!

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Quote: avdkrd

Article plus. The current status of our country is very honestly formulated.

The author is a very wise man!
I read with interest. Excellent, clear and accessible formulated is that which I myself had only in some vague sensations.
May God grant him good luck in his main business!

[Vadivak]

And before that, they saved mankind several times, for which it answered us with black ingratitude.

Well said, from here the question is whether we saved humanity? And how much more will we save? If we could shut ourselves off from all of them, the bastards climb

[VLADIMIR700]

It's a shame for the "Garbage" - but it's not only we have it all over the world, but before that there was such a controlled and not quite controlled mess. It's just that now, with the development of information technologies and a large amount of information, we have become more aware and unfortunately this has made it worse to sleep and our brains are swelling.
It is necessary to perceive what is happening around without excessive emotions in your head to restore order. Unfortunately, we deserve this power, and it is being wiped out over the country ....... If we put things in order in our heads in our homes, then we can bring power to order - it’s naive but I Hope.

[SlavakharitonoV]

The status of Gorbachev and Yeltsin is clearly formulated.

[Sasha 19871987]

the time of the possibilities of those has passed, the drunk Yeltsin generally had to put a bullet in his forehead ... like Gorbachev, they did everything in one place .... okay, the gdp put things in order more or less ... well this is my personal subjective opinion ....

[s1н7т]

Quote: sasha 19871987

ok, the gdp has brought more or less order ...

in the trash
Like, fussing homeless people in garbage cans is organized, centralized and controlled. Homeless people are happy. Did I understand you correctly?

[carver]

Well, in general, the semantic load is this. Only a garbage can is a system of our life in which goals, ideals and the way to go have disappeared. The process of disintegration of the territory seems to be stopped, for which thanks Putin must be said unconditionally, but then where and how to move on?

[Rink]

Quote: carver

..... The process of disintegration of the territory seems to have been stopped. Thank you to Putin. You definitely need to say, but then where and how to move on?

Of course, at a certain stage, Putin played (and seems to be playing so far) a positive role. Saving a country from complete disintegration is a big deal.
Yes, even if he has not yet been able to turn the garbage dump into a blooming garden (this actually takes more time than waving a magic wand), but putting more or less order in the “garbage dump” is a necessary condition for moving on.
I do not know if he has a vision of such a movement, or whether he is satisfied with the achieved state. If you are satisfied with what has been achieved, it’s bad. In this case, Putin’s positive role will remain in maintaining order and protecting the country from new attempts to finish off Russia for those who did not succeed in the 90s until either a leader is identified who is able to transform the trash, or pick up, prepare such a the right successor.
And here Putin should have the brains and courage to leave on time, ensuring the continuity of power and maintain momentum for the development of the country, transfer the steering wheel to the right hands.
Then his role will remain positive until the end ...

[Alexander Romanov]

We got hooked on the cult of the golden calf, jumping from it will not be easy. We have turned into a consumer society, in order to change the situation, we need a different ideology. Morality, conscience, respect for one's neighbor should be in the first place. With regard to the reconstruction of the USSR, this is not it is possible, but to recreate an empire under the auspices of Russia is complete. The collapse of the Western world into a financial and immoral chasm will help in this.

[s1н7т]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

The USSR is not possible, but to recreate an empire under the auspices of Russia is quite

We already have a capitalist empire. What is the use if borders expand? The ideology that you are talking about can offer only something like the USSR. Some, by the way, called his empire

[zh1]

It is not necessary at all to call the new Russian state an empire. You can briefly - Russia.

[studentmati]

The main thing with all this is to preserve the "greatness" of thinking! And remember the 1-year-old history of Russia, not the last 000 years.

[8 company]

And not dumb to the author to live in a garbage can? Blow to North Korea, come off to the full!

[carver]

it’s on such articles that you can separate flies from cutlets, if you only took out the word trash from the whole article, which you can talk about.

[tambu]

1. He "went crazy" a little on the word "trash" ...
2. "And what do you think is devastation? An old woman with a stick? ..." (c) ("Heart of a Dog") ....
3. An idea is interesting in principle ... but its implementation has not remained unclear - the accumulation of forces to overcome washes .. what forces, which should be understood as overcoming an idea to a newer one, which methods and principles will be chosen .. .. tens of millions of victims for the sake of the bright idea of ​​communism are no longer very impressive ... I would like to frankly hear a more calm, thoughtful and capacious answer on how to implement such an idea ...

PS He left more answers than questions, provided that he said in an exaggerated way: "Putin, and I am smart, only he organized the Garbage Dump, and I .... and I .... and I know how to make candy ..." All this reminds of a joke : Rabinovich runs along the side of the swimming pool and advises everyone on how to row properly ... a man comes up to him and asks: "Rabinovich, you probably swim well?", And he told him: "No ... but I know HOW!" ..

[tambu]

1. He "went crazy" a little on the word "trash" ...
2. "And what do you think is devastation? An old woman with a stick? ..." (c) ("Heart of a Dog") ....
3. An idea is interesting in principle ... but its implementation has not remained unclear - the accumulation of forces to overcome washes .. what forces, which should be understood as overcoming an idea to a newer one, which methods and principles will be chosen .. .. tens of millions of victims for the sake of the bright idea of ​​communism are no longer very impressive ... I would like to frankly hear a more calm, thoughtful and capacious answer on how to implement such an idea ...

PS He left more answers than questions, provided that he said in an exaggerated way: "Putin is smart, only he organized a garbage can, and I .... and I .... and I know how to make candy ..." All this reminds anecdote: Rabinovich runs along the side of the swimming pool and advises everyone on how to paddle correctly ... a man comes up to him and asks: "Rabinovich, you probably swim well?", and he told him: "No ... but I know HOW!" ...

[tambu]

1. He "went crazy" a little on the word "trash" ...
2. "And what do you think is devastation? An old woman with a stick? ..." (c) ("Heart of a Dog") ....
3. An idea is interesting in principle ... but its implementation has not remained unclear - the accumulation of forces to overcome washes .. what forces, which should be understood as overcoming an idea to a newer one, which methods and principles will be chosen .. .. tens of millions of victims for the sake of the bright idea of ​​communism are no longer very impressive ... I would like to frankly hear a more calm, thoughtful and capacious answer on how to implement such an idea ...

PS He left more answers than questions, provided that he said in an exaggerated way: "Putin is not in business, and in general he is not smart, but I am smart, only he organized the trash heap, and I .... and I .... and I know how to make candy ... "All this reminds me of a joke: Rabinovich runs along the side of the swimming pool and advises everyone how to row properly ... a man comes up to him and asks:" Rabinovich, you probably swim well? ", and he told him:" No ... but I know HOW! "...

[Melchakov]

tambu,
A good comment.

[Ascetic]

tambu,

Kurginyan is beloved child Gorbachev's 27th Congress of the CPSU. Then he headed the ETC (Experimental Creative Center under the Moscow City Executive Committee), later renamed the "International Fund Corporation" Experimental Creative Center ".
Assistance in organizing the ETC was provided to Kurginyan by Prokofiev, who was at that time the secretary of the executive committee of the Moscow Soviet, and later the 1st secretary of the CPSU MGK.
By the decision of the Executive Committee of the Moscow Soviet N 1345 of 11.07.89/9/XNUMX (item XNUMX) ETC is exempted from deduction of profit in the city budget for a period of 1989-90
ETC decision of the Moscow City Council allocated a number of buildings in the Krasnopresnensky district, in particular mansions on Vspolny lane and a cultural monument, 6, on Spiridovka St. (A. Blok's house).
In November 1987, the Executive Committee of the Moscow City Council, by its decision N 2622, created an Experimental Creative Center on the basis of the Na Boards Theater-Studio and provided it with a complex of premises on Vspolny Lane. Moscow, having opened financing for their reconstruction.
He was a close adviser to Prime Minister Pavlov, who signed in January 1991 a decree on granting extraordinary benefits and privileges to the Experimental Creative Center (ETC), led by Kurginyan (Kommersant No. 17 (67) 04.91). So in March 1991 Pavlov signed secret order N 200r, clause 4 of which allows the corporation to create temporary working groups with the involvement of officers and command personnel, and also provides, in agreement with the USSR Ministry of Defense, USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs and USSR KGB, secondment for work in the corporation of officers and officers, leaving them on active military service in the manner and under the conditions stipulated by the relevant decisions of the Government of the USSR.
Gaidar, Kagalovsky, Kugushev, Yasin took part in the activities of the ETC economic laboratory.
He repeatedly traveled on behalf of the ideological department and the national relations subdivision of the Central Committee of the CPSU at the head of the interdisciplinary analytical group he had formed to Kazan, Alma-Ata, Ayzerbadzhan, Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh.

In the open press, Kurginyan adheres to the position of the existing government, strictly mathematically isolating his theses into points, and in his speeches he constantly dramatizes the situation, forcing him to perceive his information in a state of stress. At the same time, he uses simplified cynical expressions together with scientific and mathematical concepts transferred to the field of sociology, which indicates the level of his education, and fear of misunderstanding by persons to whom the information of his position is intended. In public speeches, Kurginyan makes an impression of an overly emotional and not very tactful person to the end, often interrupting the interlocutor or presenter, trying to hide his personal insecurity and willingness to agree with another opinion.

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[Ascetic]

At the same time, speaking from the position of a defender of statehood, he involuntarily causes harm to the side whose interests he is currently defending, inadequately assessing the current situation, and not foreseeing the fullness of the consequences of the forecasts and advice given to him. During the perestroika period, Kurginyan developed vigorous activity in developing various kinds of socio-political forecasts, hoping to find support for the results of his work. In this field, he sought to establish strong contacts with leading politicians and heads of law enforcement agencies at that time, while he was more interested in the prospects of friendship with state security agencies. Subsequently, constantly appearing among the losing parties, Kurginyan managed to maintain his loyalty to state bodies

[tambu]

yeah .... that is, this answer must still be multiplied by emotionality and therefore talk about thoughtfulness and capacity here completely turns out to be inappropriate)))

[sq]

An interesting look, but calling your state a garbage dump you yourself will look like a burp of this garbage dump. The groaning of everything and everything shows the level of the one who cares.

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Quote: kvm

.... calling your state a garbage dump you yourself will look like a burp of this garbage dump. The groaning of everything and everything shows the level of the one who cares.

Yes, he doesn’t moan, he simply regrets what these "perestroika" men did to us. And he talks about it honestly, as it is, because if you want to get somewhere, you need to know exactly where you are now.
Pink glasses do not help in this case.

[Kyrgyz]

Quote: Skating rink

he simply notes with regret what these "perestroika"

and where was he when the "perestroika" did what they did? If you execute those who did, then execute those who silently ate on their mistakes, I do not justify the smear of the slobber Gorbachev, and the usurper of the tyrant Kompora Yeltsin, but people who were in the same system with them did the same thing with them and deserve the same characteristics, Why did he hawala in silence before, and did not beat the alarm, was it so profitable?

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Quote: Kyrgyz

and where was he when the "perestroika" did what they did? ...

Where were you? how did all our people allow them to do what they did?

If you remember those times, then the people believed in "perestroika", especially the youth. Everyone lived in anticipation of some new times, sang "Changes, we are waiting for changes" and "Rr-revolution, you taught us to believe in the injustice of good ..." Was it? You, I think, also did not demonstrate then historical perspicacity, and did not know where the "slobber" and "tyrant" would lead us.

I put the quotation marks because I do not believe in the naivety and innocence of Gorbachev and Yeltsin. Take a closer look at their activities, and you will get a firm conviction, confidence that this couple: successful agents who have completed their task with excellent marks.
How could we allow this to happen? How did we believe them? Yes, just none of the people knew what they were actually doing. It did not occur to us that a traitor might be at the top of the power of our mighty country ... In the end, we had an omnipotent state security committee, the world's best intelligence and counterintelligence - they should not have "blinked".

We just wanted an even better life. We had education, medicine, work, a future - everything that is needed for a happy life. Small changes in the economy, a slightly more prosperous life - that's all that people expected from the "new party line". And no one expected the total collapse of the state and the collapse of the country, except for Brzezinski and his friends.

So, the fact that many, myself included, have not sensed a foreign agent in Gorbachev for a long time is of course a minus. But now there is no reason to stigmatize everyone, the whole country. Over time, we all began to know more about the deeds of the "marked" (that's really really - "God marks the rogue"!), Saw what this led to.

Or do you think that if someone in the late 80s supported the Gorbachev reforms, then he is definitely also an "agent" and has no right to change his attitude towards the ideas of perestroika? And even try to fix what has been done, including with his participation?

I believe that people over time (experience, age) have the right to change their beliefs. If a person understands that he was mistaken, he can improve. If a person realized that he was deceived, that he joined the wrong company, he should leave this company, and even try. so that they can no longer deceive anyone. The main thing is that there should be no crimes behind the soul ....

Yes, I didn’t beat Kurginyan then. But just think: he was like you and me, a good 30-35 years younger ... And he did not know what we now know.

Much more important is what Kurginyan is doing now: sincerely speaking or pretending.

[Lavrik]

The fact that Gorbachev and Yeltsin destroyed the Soviet Union and what he was based on is clear. Putin began to do something to revive Russia. Everything rested in the West - as we became in the zero (quite independent, toothy), they did not need us. For the West, Russia is a source of cheap minerals, a dump for nuclear waste, etc. And this does not suit us. According to Brzezinski, in the coming decades the West and the USA will gradually weaken, new centers of power will revive, and the West can fight them with the West. And what it (Russia) will be - it’s not up to them to choose, but to us.

[Kaa]

Quote: Lavrik

The fact that Gorbachev and Yeltsin destroyed the Soviet Union and what he was based on is clear. Putin began to do something to revive Russia

Dear colleagues, why do we always turn to personalities, like "the humpbacked one broke, EBN ... he continued, Putin started something ... Remember the classics -" The role of personality in history. "Or do you seriously think that, for example, Hitler - is it a black-black magician-loner who "bewitched peaceful German burghers" who suddenly became anti-Semites, anti-Romites and anti-Slavists-anti-communists? The role of the individual is to catch the trend of social groups and ride it, to offer convenient and demanded formulations of public behavior and in the future to modify them depending on the situation. Why, for example, won, at one time, Stalin, and not Trotsky - but the Russian peasant did not want to fight somewhere in Europe for the ideals of the "world revolution" for the same burghers, which was shown by the notorious " Miracle on the Vistula "- Pilsudski, you say, a genius, stopped the" Bolshevik hordes "- but the undressed, naked, hungry peasants and workers did not want to" fan the fire of the world "on foreign land under the slogans of Trotsky-Tukhachevsky! And Stalin proposed a coherent policy of restoring the state system under new slogans, but in their original lands, so the party members rallied around him, threw the appropriate slogans at the masses - and the people, albeit with a squeak and swear words, but reached for a more understandable idea than war for a "new world order". Without this trend, Dzhugashvili (Stalin) would not have become STALIN. People in the Central Committee under the conditional name "Gorbachev" caught the trend towards capitalist enrichment - a group called "Yeltsin" continued its path to a happy oligarchic future, behind which loomed the division of Russia into "specific principalities. Then the" group of comrades "stopped" at the last line "- the brand "Putin" appeared, which is now for some - "father-hope-support", for others - a bloody KGBist-oligarchist. What will happen next - and the devil only knows, let's form common aspirations, then either Putin will react, or a new project will arise , otherwise it’s an eternal problem, we don’t know what we will please, either democracy, or pigs with horseradish ...

[Ruslan67]

Kaa! There’s a paradox: as soon as a piglet with horseradish appears, you immediately want democracy, and as a result, democracy with horseradish!

[Kaa]

Quote: Ruslan67

and as a result, democracy with horseradish!

The eternal question is which democracy is better, bad or pig swine?

[s1н7т]

Quote: Kaa

then either Putin will react or a new project will arise,

Laughing for a long time, right!
Putin will react anyway, and no "new projects" will arise. He will simply call everyone again ... s, and the people will happily support.

[akjn4]

This is an eternal historical dilemma - personality or mood in society. I chose 50/50 for myself.
And if you imagine that an enemy agent was at the head of state? In the same Germany in 1933? Agree, history would go the other way.
One person can successfully act against the wishes of the people if he is at the helm of the state. And if this agent is supported by the ruling "elites" of society, both domestic and foreign, then we get Russia at the end of the 80s - and so on ....

[s1н7т]

Quote: Lavrik

we became zero (quite independent, toothy),

Give examples, "patriot"! And then I do not know. Iraq, Libya, Syria, the concession of territories to China, companionship in the Kuril Islands, redistribution of borders in the North in favor of whom there, the Norwegians, seems to be evidence of "toothiness" ?! Political information failed And at the expense of us to choose, I remember 146%! Or did you specifically mean someone, and not the people of the Russian Federation?

[arnulla]

Announce your version of Russia's behavior on the issues voiced by you. Taking into account the knowledge of international politics, the financial and military capabilities of Russia for a given period of time ... Do not follow our ours ... well, beside Libya.

[erased]

Glory to perestroika! She gave us everything! And let the heroes of Perestroika stand together before the people. They should be applauded. In a volley. At the command "Pli"!

[Rink]

Quote: erased

.... And let the heroes of Perestroika stand together before the people. They should be applauded. In a volley. At the command "Pli"!

Although this is not real, it seems to me that a certain historical justice would be for Gorbachev to get acquainted with the ice ax - as accurately as Leiba Bronstein (Leo Trotsky).
After all, Trotsky was abandoned to us on the eve of the revolution from America, was their "creature" as it is now fashionable to say. And with the same destructive task. But the point in his "affairs" was put, frankly, convincingly.
For Gorbachev's affairs, he is entitled to the same "reward", no less.

But after all, the infection will go away, not awarded ....

[s1н7т]

Quote: Skating rink

But the point in his "affairs" was put, frankly, convincingly

Yes, Vissarionych could convince, even Churchill noticed
Do you know the difference between him and Putin? The first lived all his life at public expense, and the second was a billionaire. Different psychology, different ideology, different politics. So "hump" was lucky at the expense of the ice ax

[peter-tank]

Well, if Mr. (or comrade?) Kurginyan is so businesslike and correct, let him file an application with the RF IC or the Prosecutor General’s Office to institute criminal proceedings against Gorbi, EBN, Chubais. It would be interesting.

[Straus_zloy]

We are talking about a real synthesis of communism and Christianity, communism and religion in general.

It's some kind a shame Brad (s)

[escobar]

Quote: Straus_zloy

We are talking about a real synthesis of communism and Christianity, communism and religion in general. This is some shame nonsense (s)

I agree with Kurginyan. When I see how the former and current communists are embarrassed in the temple with an angelic expression on their face, I just feel sick. I do not believe that they believe !!! They perfectly understand the power of influence of the church, which survived all empires and retained its status, so they want to realize this wild symbiosis.

[valokordin]

Escobaru, Patriarch Kirill will never go against this power, it feeds him.

[s1н7т]

Quote: escobar

understand the power of the church

An absolute lie! Its "influence" is the concern of the CPSU in its time and the work of a zombie box for the government in our time. And not one iota more! See things realistically.

[escobar]

God and faith in the heart. Orthodoxy is a preacher of goodness, love and humanity. Therefore, people are more and more drawn to the Temple. And the king survived the faith and the CPSU and EXPERIENCES.

[mark021105]

Quote: Straus_zloy

This is some shame nonsense (s)

And you read what is communism and what are the foundations of Christianity. Maybe change your mind. Before you say so, you need to study the issue.

[Straus_zloy]

Just do not start about "building the kingdom of God on earth" In the USSR, the church was SEPARATED from the state and that was good.
Dialectical materialism does not allow intersection with religion, and this is also good.
And I am much more satisfied when schoolchildren and students are engaged in science and technology than today's era of obscurantism, when the opinion of a priest, fortune teller or astrologer weighs more than the opinion of an engineer or scientist. The drop in the level can be clearly seen in some articles in the "technologies" section.

So I am for communism, only, please, do not add religion to it.

[Galina]

Straus_zloy,
chemist Mendeleev, mathematician Euler, mathematician Pascal, surgeon Pavlov, ophthalmologist Filatov (I call quickly, offhand) - these geniuses, in your opinion, are obscurantists, or what?
You have in your head a mishmash of stereotypical formulas from the period of the struggle with the church. Let me tell you that Orthodoxy does not call for building the kingdom of God on earth. Well, okay, where can you go deeper into dogma. But you could gratefully perceive at least the moral foundations for human existence, which our Church has always persistently offered.
Of course, it is much easier to put “priest, fortune teller or astrologer” on the same board.
But such a proposal from Christianity, too, gives you obscurantism: “THERE IS NO MORE LOVE, AS WELL WHO LAYS HIS SOUL FOR HIS OTHERS” (Gospel of John 15. 13.) Or does the military have a different ethic?

[Straus_zloy]

chemist Mendeleev, mathematician Euler, mathematician Pascal, surgeon Pavlov, ophthalmologist Filatov (I call quickly, offhand) - these geniuses, in your opinion, are obscurantists, or what?

Einstein was forgotten, but they did not mix science and religion. I can pull atheist geniuses too, but is it necessary?
One Laplace is enough for me to answer. When Napoleon noticed that he had not found any mention of God in Laplace's book "Celestial Mechanics", Laplace replied that "he does not need this hypothesis to explain the picture of the world."

You have in your head a mishmash of stereotypical formulas from the period of the struggle with the church

Yes, I do not fight either the church or the believers. I just do not want religion at the state level to determine my life.

Orthodoxy does not call for building the kingdom of God on earth

Rather, it meant that communism was trying to build it.

Well, okay, where can you go deeper into dogma.

But do not be rude

But you could gratefully accept at least the moral foundations for human existence, which our Church has always persistently offered

I know a huge number of decent people who are atheists. Many people act in good faith without attracting faith in God.
On the need for the Church to monopolize the right to moral principles, one must be more modest and more humble

[Alexander 1958]

For
Straus_zloy
Good afternoon! In order to understand how close or far two ideologies are, communism and Orthodoxy, compare the moral code of the builder of communism and the commandments of Christianity. Yes, indeed, real Orthodoxy, like real communism, is not very similar to its slogans, but nonetheless ..
The strengthening of communism by Orthodoxy, in addition to the minuses, has pluses. For example, it will not be possible to change the development vector at each congress or to claim that money is the highest value. For such statements, several hundred years ago, it was possible to please the bonfire (the struggle of Catholics and Protestants)
Alexander 1958

[Straus_zloy]

The strengthening of communism by Orthodoxy, in addition to the minuses, has pluses

"you cannot harness a horse and a quivering doe in one cart" (c)

Once again I say, I have nothing against Orthodoxy and its values ​​.. But let's leave religion (Christianity) - the soul of people, there will be enough room for activity there. You look and the watch on the Patriarch will not cost the annual budget of an orphanage.

And ideologies (the way of organizing the social system, communism) are the state system, free education and healthcare, confidence in the future, economic planning, Komsomol construction projects, etc. .. Then we will restore the country and respect ourselves again.

[Alexander 1958]

For Straus_zloy
Good morning! I agree with you that the church deals with the souls of people, and the state with ideology and daily problems. Caesar is Caesarean, and Caesar is Caesar. It is right! But the question is, what would the state in the daily routine of decision-making be guided by moral principles that were developed by the church long before Kompanella, T. Mora, etc.
Alexander 1958

[s1н7т]

The Russian Orthodox Church at one time even liquidated Russia, and nothing, rubbed off. Now - "Russians", damn it ... Give an example of the benefits of Orthodoxy! There are no such.

[mark021105]

Nobody talks about adding something to something. When I wrote about the foundations of communism and Christianity, I meant that both communism and Christianity carry universal human values.

Communism (from Latin Communis - common)
1) a socio-economic formation replacing capitalism based on public ownership of the means of production;
2) in a narrower sense - the highest stage (phase) of development of this formation in comparison with socialism - "... a classless social system with a single national ownership of the means of production, complete social equality of all members of society, where, together with the all-round development of people, will grow and production forces on the basis of constantly developing science and technology, all sources of social wealth will flow in full flow and the great principle “from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs will be realized.” Communism is a highly organized society of free and conscientious workers, in which social self-government will be established, labor for the good of society will become for everyone the first vital need, a realized necessity, the abilities of everyone will be used with the greatest benefit for the people "
The theoretical development of the first systematized ideas about the communist way of life is based on the ideology of humanism of the 16-17th centuries. (T. More, T. Campanella) and the French Enlightenment of the 18th century. (Morelli, G. Mably).

[Straus_zloy]

Nobody talks about adding something to something. When I wrote about the foundations of communism and Christianity, I meant that both communism and Christianity carry universal human values.

Yeah! as well as Buddhism, Vegetarianism and a bunch of other religions and ideologies, even somewhere in Islam, they carry them. Only for some reason, after perestroika, the phrase "human values"

You cheered me up remembering Companella: In its "communism" with communism only a common name. An unhappy, anxious man who spent a couple of decades in prison wrote "City of the Sun", where everything is common, including women

[s1н7т]

Support!

[s1н7т]

Quote: mark021105

what is communism and what are the foundations of Christianity

I even studied it - nothing in common.

[mark021105]

"Love your neighbor ..." - The main commandment of the teaching of Christ.

And in what does Communism contradict this commandment?

[s1н7т]

Quote: Straus_zloy

This is some shame nonsense (s)

I also read seriously only up to this point. A sick person, however.

[Cavas]

Putin and part of his team are not ready to divide the Trash into parts. After all, your humble servant calls our present being an organized garbage being. And the patriotic part of Putin’s team has a different assessment of the qualities of this being. More precisely, there is a whole range of ratings. But the assessment I have stated above does not fit into this spectrum in any way. In short, when the Europeans said that the Garbage can be divided into parts in order to be integrated into Europe, Putin and some of his team got into a mess.

So, is Russia under Putin’s leadership a complete disaster, is it inevitably heading for death and self-destruction? We hear such a forecast from the moment of the birth of post-Soviet Russia.

Remember, the former US Secretary of State Madeleine Albright even with some surprise asked how it is possible to allow one country to possess all those fabulous riches that lurk in Siberia and the Russian Far East, because they should belong to the whole world?

To put it bluntly, the perception of Russia by the West, as a thorn in the eye, existed before Putin.

By and large, however, the question remains: why does Putin provoke such hostility in Western thinking? I can find three reasons. First, Putin has strong leadership experience. He returned Russia to the league of great powers. Russia's self-confidence is already causing a headache in the West. Syria is an eloquent example of this.

As the current symptoms show, the West is banging its head against the wall in search of "regime change" in Damascus; a war with Iran is becoming inconceivable without the connivance of Russia (which will not happen); the expansion of NATO in the Eurasian space - which is part of the program of positioning itself as the only world security organization (and in turn the extension of Western domination to global politics) - meets with staunch resistance from Russia.

At the same time, it is impossible to drive Russia into the "enemy" template. Russia is "not ideologized"; it can no longer be passed off as the antithesis of Islam or capitalism. It is a strong global player, merrily bridging regional divisions - China / Japan, Iran / Israel - and the ties it forges are very wide - from Cuba, Brazil and Venezuela to South Korea, Vietnam, Italy, France and Germany.

More importantly, Russia shies away from confrontation with the West, but does not back down an inch from its position. It does not allow itself to be drawn into exorbitant financing of dependent states, which would drain the economy. On the other hand, Russia may be a friend, as shown by assistance to NATO's military efforts in Afghanistan.
It would be wise for the United States to cooperate with Russia, which would facilitate Washington's conduct of business with China. But the trap is that Russia insists on being an independent player, and it turned out that it is the only world power with the ability to destroy the United States.
And then Putin appears. So, while he is at the head, Russia will not make a historical compromise, renouncing resistance to the seventy-year US search for a chance to establish nuclear superiority, and this is precisely the problem with the missile defense system.

[s1н7т]

What has Putin got to do with it ?! It only expresses the interests of the "ruling class". If the Russian Federation collapsed under Yeltsin, for which our "friends" were "sharpened", then this is one story. But the Russian Federation has resisted, and Putin has nothing to do with it. Clans of oligarchs emerged, whose income came from the territory of the Russian Federation - oil, gas, alcohol, etc. They had to preserve their source of income. Hence - Putin's "stability". Dump, in a word.

[aksakal]

Quote: Lavrik

The fact that Gorbachev and Yeltsin destroyed the Soviet Union and what he was based on is clear. Putin began to do something to revive Russia. Everything rested in the West - as we became in the zero (quite independent, toothy), they did not need us. For the West, Russia is a source of cheap minerals, a dump for nuclear waste, etc. And this does not suit us. According to Brzezinski, in the coming decades the West and the USA will gradually weaken, new centers of power will revive, and the West can fight them with the West. And what it (Russia) will be - it’s not up to them to choose, but to us.

- Plus, Lavrik. Only if you respect the same Brzezinski, do they plan their own choice of Russia and, in general, endowing Russia with such a right to choose which Russia DOES NOT belong. The West has already made a choice what kind of Russia to be. It is split up and is part of the Atlantic Alliance. After joining this union, Russia is entangled with corresponding obligations and begin a war with China, where Russia will be the main supplier of cannon fodder. Lavrik, do not flatter yourself:

Quote: Lavrik

And what it (Russia) will be - it’s not up to them to choose, but to us.

- they have already identified. If the Russians have other plans, then these other plans still need to be defended. It is even possible that with weapons in hand. For no one loves when their plans are broken.

[Rink]

Quote: aksakal

.... Only if you esteem the same Brzezinski, do they plan their own choice of Russia and, in general, endowing Russia with such a right to choose which Russia DOES NOT belong. The West has already made a choice what kind of Russia to be. .....

Exactly! And the West with its plans is not even particularly hiding, does not make a big secret of them.

For example, the "iron" Margaret Thatcher expressed herself quite definitely in the open press:
- 'Russians should stay about 15 million, the minimum amount sufficient to extract raw materials and serve gas and oil pipelines ”...

See how many of us need to be left already decided.

Does anyone else believe that happiness will come to us from Western democracies?

[arkady149]

So far, my esteemed S.E. Kurginyan says in theses he is understandable and logical, but as soon as these theses begin to unfold, he is frustrated by the emotions from which he loses in conviction. The cleverest erudite man with all his soul experiencing the tragedy of the destruction of the Great Country.

[v53993]

Let me add: "Experiencing in his own way." I, and everyone I know, do not personify Russia with a garbage can.

[escobar]

Quote: v53993

Let me add: "Experiencing in his own way." I, and everyone I know, do not personify Russia with a garbage can.

Well, what do you compare Russia and the system. !! Understand the difference at last. That is the whole message of Kurginyan.

[dmb]

Yes, all this gentleman understands perfectly. But being the defender of the system, and realizing that it is losing supporters (read the comments on the information about Serdyukov’s pranks), he is trying to get into the hesitant head that Russia and the system are one and the same, and therefore criticism of the system is criticism of Russia. The reception is not new and very primitive.

[skeptic]

"Perestroika" is not a trash heap, but a GREAT DISPOSE.

[arkady149]

And this is how Hillary punishes Bill for Monica

[arkady149]

And this is how Hillary punishes Bill for Monica

[Straus_zloy]

the USSR
RESET

[WW3]

That's good too

[WW3]

in continuation of the topic:

[Gorchakov]

If everything that is happening in Russia at the moment is garbage, then Kurginyan is a homeless person digging in garbage wastes ... My complete mental support of this man turned upside down exactly the other way ... Now he is as critical for me as Zyuganov and the leaders Swamp ....

[v53993]

The attempt to lower Russia to the trash is not new. I repeat, but Mr. Kurgunyan, having learned to reproduce stupidities with clever words, is already understood by the Russian people and simply not interesting.

[nickel]

Indeed, the author seems very offended. This is the wrong motive. On the other hand, as a Christian, thoughts of some kind of alliance with communism are hated. It is known that his theorists were possessed, that is, in other words, violently insane. And the fact that the USSR was a great country is a fact, not only thanks to communism, but contrary to it. If not for him, Russia was the greatest power on the planet, and without a sea of ​​blood shed by the Bolsheviks.

[v53993]

History does not tolerate the subjunctive mood. In history, the result achieved at the concrete, historical stage is important. And what the USSR achieved, thanks to communist ideology, is a historical fact.
Christianity taken separately from the state system at this historical stage was not able to influence the situation, alas, this is a fact.
Therefore, to whimper about how it might be, this is the position of a weak and not smart person.

[nickel]

v53993, the fact of the matter is that our state system, in fact, was the fruit of a state and church symphony. And the fact that the result, at the moment, is unsatisfactory, is at the moment. The history of the world has not yet ended, although there are signs of its decline. As for the thought of a possible single-handed world leadership of Russia by the middle of the twentieth century, it is not new. It belongs to someone from well-known Western politicians who does not have a tremulous feeling for us. It seemed to me that this was Churchill, but perhaps I am mistaken.

[s1н7т]

Quote: nickel

our state system, in fact, was the fruit of a symphony of state and church

Nonsense, however! The ROC has never played any special role in the development of the state. Running errands all the time. After the "Tatar-Mongol yoke", in any case.

[Su24]

nonsense in your head

[Rink]

Quote: v53993

..... Separately taken from the state system, Christianity, at this historical stage, was not able to influence the situation ....

Well, no matter how it is in the capabilities of the church.
Somehow, the church, which is separate from the state, cannot and should not directly influence state policy. I think it should not be confused with religion. The church is concrete people, officials, and religion is a certain philosophical and worldview teaching.

The militant atheism that the communists once sinned is also a kind of religion, he simply replaced Christianity in their souls.
Obviously, the cause of the conflict was the idea of ​​the anointing of the autocratic power, its sending by God, from which the need to restore the monarchy ensued. And this contradicted the main idea of ​​communist democracy - the power of the working people.

But religion itself as a principle does not contradict the communist idea. The main task of religion is the moral education of the people, "what is good and what is bad." Establishing an acceptable framework for behavior, morality.

Our society succumbed to nihilism in the 90s (especially young people), when everything collapsed around, and media controlled from abroad did hard work to destroy souls, enforce permissiveness and cave principles of a consumer society.

Now that the time has come to get out of the "trash heap", it is necessary to return "meanings" to people: why does a child need to study well, why it is impossible to use foul language on the street, why it is necessary to respect elders, why it is not good to be a bandit or a killer, and so on. In these conditions, religion (in our conditions - Orthodoxy) becomes an ally, helping to bring order to the "trash heap".

At least I understand the idea of ​​the author.

[Rink]

I will add: in my opinion, only the adherents of the "radical" version of communism - the Trotskyists - consistently and ideologically fought against Orthodoxy. Stalin, at least from a certain moment, took a position towards the ROC, if not cooperation, then at least tolerance.

For example, this picture shows the moment of delivery of one of the few ZIS-110 cars (Soviet "Packard"):

In general, one should read a little more about the relationship between the Communist Party and the church (I say this for myself).

[Su24]

I see you are the king of logic.

[Rink]

Yeah! :) Have you noticed too? ..

[Nechai]

Quote: nickel

On the other hand, as a Christian, thoughts of some kind of alliance with communism are hated. It is known that his theorists were possessed, that is, in other words, violently insane.

And you, as a Christian, do not dislike how many people who professed polytheism were DESTROYED during the "baptism of Russia"? The envoys of Byzantium who occupied Russia were adequate in relation to the population of our Principalities?
Russia has digested the "Romeian faith" imposed on it, created its own. So it is with the theorists of communism. Greater Russophobes than Engels and Marx are unlikely to be found. Yes, and grandfather Lenin and Mr. Trotsky deeply did not care about Russia and its peoples. They also boiled it. But they missed, or rather DISSOLVED, the then "servants of the people", and what kind of kids they brought up on our heads, or rather ON THE NECK !!!
I had a soldier, a graduate of a madrasah, once he and the political officer of our regiment had a discussion on whether to execute orders that run counter to spiritual foundations, justice, etc. So one of the arguments used by our mullah was that "The Code of the Builder of Communism", the Commandments of Jesus Christ, the Commandments bequeathed in the Koran, the Path of Improvement in Buddhism is the essence of the Only Possible Improvement of both an individual and society as a whole.
And one more example, when Bartini, after his release, was asked how he now relates to Communism, he replied that his attitude had not changed a bit. "The first attempt in the World to build a JUST society is being carried out. Yes, there were mistakes and they were INEVITABLE. But the idea itself does not disappear from this. And it is the ONLY one for mankind if it has enough reason not to self-destruct itself. Sooner or later, but people will return anyway. to its embodiment "

[v53993]

how many people who professed polytheism were DESTROYED during the "baptism of Russia"? The envoys of Byzantium who occupied Russia were adequate in relation to the population of our Principalities?

And they are not interested, as they do not remember kinship. But wars and litigation began precisely after this event. The Jewish spirit penetrated into Russia and began its destructive effect. This is if you look at the history of Russia as a whole, and not grabbing and distorting historical facts.

[s1н7т]

Quote: v53993

if you look at the history of Russia as a whole

then Russia itself disappeared with the advent of Orthodoxy!

[nickel]

Nechai, your words sound rather strange. It turns out that the terror that reigns in the country for much of the last century, and cost the lives of millions, is this a kind of response to events in the X century? In addition, I have other information about the period of the baptism of Russia. And yet, I think that if you knew more deeply, and most importantly felt, the essence of the Christian worldview, you would not be so categorical.

[s1н7т]

Good night, we are brothers of reason!

[Rink]

Quote: Nechai

.... how many people who professed polytheism were DESTROYED during the "baptism of Rus"? ...

But no one knows for sure how many were destroyed, and whether it was destroyed at all. And it is not even known when Russia was baptized, and whether it was baptized from Byzantium ....
The official version "does not fit well" to the real facts.
In the Byzantine chronicles there is a mention that even Olga and her retinue, who arrived in Konstatinopol long before Vladimir, were baptized. All church terminology in the Russian church is for some reason derived from Latin terms used in the Catholic version and not used in Byzantine Orthodoxy. For some reason, the Russian nobility was related to the Western (German, French) royal houses, they took their wives from there, and gave their damsels there. While dynastic marriages with Byzantium are extremely rare (except for Sophia Paleolog, I somehow do not remember anyone ...).

So it’s better not to remember about those dark times.
Moreover, indignation is not appropriate, there is still to understand and understand what and how it really was.

[patriot2]

Everyone has the right to express their attitude to what happened to Russia and the USSR. But you can’t trample peoples and their lives into the dirt, comparing them with trash - this is an excess. Although Kurginyan, what happened apparently made me very angry and forced to exaggerate to call many things similar epithets. This is his right, as well as the right of everyone to love their homeland and live where it really stinks of garbage and relations between people have become the same. The problem is that no one knows how to get out of this shit, that’s the question. Getting into shit is easy, washing up is harder.

[v53993]

Do not wake up to cunning, at least in front of ourselves, we know how to get out. Another question is how to rake shit along the way, without too much blood.

[8 company]

It was such noteworthy demagogues as Kurginyan and Gorbachev who destroyed the USSR. Pay attention to Kurginyan's proposals. Nothing concrete, sheer verbiage, clothed in a beautiful package of supposedly philosophical "wisdom". It is interesting that Kurginyan criticizes Gorbachev, but if you think about it, they are absolutely the same in terms of their level of thinking, as the secretary general used to say. Both Kurginyan and Gorby explain themselves in the same way: blah-blah-blah-reforms are needed, blah-blah-blah-people, blah-blah-blah-forward, blah-blah-bla-to the shining peaks. Nobody understood anything, but they applaud out of habit. Learn from Deng Xiaoping and the CPC to engage in reforms: the same CPSU, in essence, but they took everything that needed to be taken from the West, reorganized the system, now they are flooding the whole world with goods, the treasury is bursting with money, workers' wages are growing, as Mao never dreamed of. in space, both Russia and the United States will soon be gagged.

[Alexander 1958]

For 8 companies

Quote: Company 8

Both Kurginyan and Gorbi express themselves in the same way: blah blah blah blah-need reforms, blah blah blah blah-people blah blah blah blah forward blah blah blah blah to the shining heights

I'm lying around! The former political politician criticizes for empty calls to "shining heights" - and you were not doing the same at the same time? Oh times .. Oh morals ..

Quote: Company 8

Pay attention to Kurginyan's proposals. Nothing concrete, sheer verbiage, clothed in a beautiful package of supposedly philosophical "wisdom".

Or maybe you are just jealous of Kurginyan?, But in my opinion in vain .. In my opinion, on this site you are a "champion" in matters relating to denunciation, repentance, condemnation and nothing-non-offer ..! As a similar person put it on another site, .. and I'm not going to offer anything, I'm just criticizing ..
Alexander 1958

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Company 8

It was such notebook demagogues as Kurginyan and Gorbachev who destroyed the USSR.

I agree with you, even that, to put it mildly balabol, it would be with Ulyanov on an armored car.
If a country has any problems, this is not a reason to call it garbage, it all starts with this, one calls it garbage, the other is our rashka, I don’t understand how it can be, it's the Motherland.

[Nechai]

Quote: Company 8

Learn from Deng Xiaoping and the CCP to Do Reforms

Andrei, but do not present the cover of the PRC for the truth. They have problems and are very serious. Suffice it to say that between the city and the village such irreconcilable antogonism has grown and continues to grow! Contradictions between the provinces are growing. Not to mention the rich and the poor. The fact that everyone decently smiles and polite, it's all in one instant. And he will fall so that he sweeps away everything. WHILE the MGB manage to prevent a fiery tornado from flaring up, but the further the more it turns into a monster of bureaucracy. You look at what kind of buildings they rebuild in the provincial capitals. The headquarters of transnational corporations nervously smoke on the sidelines.
And what did you not understand? That the current government in every possible way encapsulates the existing state of affairs? Do you have a different opinion?

[Serg_Y]

The Slavic ability to organize itself always got across the throat of a mercantile person, it is extremely difficult to trade with a united nation, the profits are not large, and they are afraid that this infection would spread all over the world. 907, 1240, 1380, 1612, 1812, 1917, 1941, the reasons are the same, we do not fit into the world model. And in general, the Prophetic Oleg is to blame, he changed the rules of the game by hanging his shield on the gates of Constantinople, and here we are blown away for that.

[v53993]

Oleg gave Slabin not with a sword in Constantinople, and Princess Olga (the wife of Prince Igor) became a "sent Cossack"

[Serg_Y]

Do not forget who Rurik was, he is the grandson of Gostomys, the Slavic prince, but the female lineage was not recognized even in the XNUMXth century, not that Olga was not a noble one in X. Despite the fact that she coped with Maly, the situation She was very shaky. Byzantium provided baptism from the emperor himself, and she did not baptize Russia, unlike her grandson Vladimir, because the available chrestians were enough to support, and it was too early to deal with the pagans, the generation brought up in new churches had not yet grown up.

[Lavrik]

Quote: aksakal

- Plus, Lavrik. Only if you respect the same Brzezinski, do they plan their own choice of Russia and, in general, endowing Russia with such a right to choose which Russia DOES NOT belong.

In no case do I respect Brzezinski. I am simply retelling the contents of his latest book (spring 2012)

[CAPILATUS]

send the aftara to us in Canada to re-educate and rethink what is written. We have many shelters for n @ darasts of all stripes and comrades who call their homeland trash. He will live a couple of years, he will see that in the sweet abroad, the middle class has a vacation of a week or two, and that you really need to plow here or you won’t survive and will be asked to return to your homeland, only after that will he lie if his tongue turns around to call Russia.

[v53993]

I am ready to discuss the conditions for moving the specified object to Canada and other places where it will be accepted. Ready to pay, bargaining is appropriate. By the way, how do you take liberals? By weight, by head, or something else?

[Karish]

Quote: CAPILATUS

He will live a couple of years, he will see that in the sweet abroad, the middle class has a vacation of a week or two, and that here you really need to plow or you won’t survive and will be asked to return home.

Strange, here half the people say that the West has not been working for a long time, and all production in China

[Rink]

Quote: CAPILATUS

send the aftara to us in Canada to re-educate and rethink what is written. We have many shelters for p @ darast of all stripes and ....

Yes, we heard a lot.
Just how you can re-educate yourself there, we don’t need here.
Keep it to yourself.

[sprut]

Our country was destroyed twice. Nevertheless, it has survived. Now it's our turn to win. Go Russia!

[v53993]

Destroyed, yes. But not defeated!

[Kyrgyz]

Quote: sprut

Our country was destroyed twice.

Read the story, more than two times, it’s just that sometimes it brings us like a big and heavy car, but nothing, pulling out a half-time and again for acceleration, that is, a drive

[WW3]

Do you really think the return of socialism is real?

Even in France, the new president is the socialist Hollande ...

Or Trash - or USSR 2.0

And what is there to think actually?

.... in the topic of the video
I was born in the Soviet Union ...!

[serge]

He who does not regret the collapse of the Soviet Union has no heart; he who wants to restore it to its former form has no head. ”
Kurginyan's members of the same party divided the Russian Empire into 15 republics, along the borders of which he collapsed, moreover, with the falling away of the Russians of Belarus from Ukraine and half the Russians of the Baltic states and Kazakhstan. In the very idea of ​​the Soviet Union as a union, the precondition of disintegration was already laid, so nothing surprising happened. After the collapse of the country, chaos reigned, which Kurginyan, for some reason, calls it a "trash heap". But chaos is always followed by structuring, in which we are now, and then development on a new basis. Now the collapse is stopped, we are at a crossroads (a crossroads, hmm) Kurginyan describes the Westernizing elite in the country aspiring to Europe. Excuse me, what kind of elite do you mean? According to various definitions, the elite is either the best part of the people, developing models of behavior for them and helping them survive, or a part of society that has real power and influence and is supported by the mass media and law enforcement agencies. Russia was (is) a parody of the state-chimera, described by Gumilev, with the Jewish elite and the Russian people. The Jewish mafia, by definition, is not the best part of the Russian people, total domination in the media with the advent of the Internet has turned into zilch, the post-perestroika elite can only rely on the Ministry of Internal Affairs from power structures, and even then it is uncertain. Thus, the authorities could no longer rule in the old way and tried to preserve and structure the current situation, for which the current president, who is the least rabid part of the "elite," was nominated. Seeing the weakness of the positions of the top, the presidential structures began to look for support among the people and ideas that could unite the "elite" and the people and maintain the status quo. Since the elite and the people of different nationalities, attempts were constantly made to search for a new "national idea" that would unite everyone and to create a new nation for this idea, not going beyond the borders of the Russian Federation. Attempts to create a new nation failed, and the authorities, in order not to lose everything, had nothing to do but try to lead an already existing national idea, and this is a Russian idea, whatever you call it, even Soviet, even communist. And the Russian national idea is the idea of ​​the unity of the Russian people and justice for all. And now we are already seeing progress towards a welfare state and attempts to restore the unity of the people within the framework of the CES, the CSTO, the Customs Union, and the Eurasian Union. This is the beginning of the transition to a new quality, which Kurginyan has not yet seen. In general, whoever comes to power in our country, be it a Tatar, a German, a Georgian or a Jew, he still becomes a Russian statesman.

[Nechai]

Quote: nickel

It turns out that the terror that reigns in the country for much of the last century, and cost the lives of millions, is this a kind of response to events in the X century? t (1.) In addition, I have other information about the period of the baptism of Russia. (2.) And yet, I think that if you knew more deeply and, most importantly, you felt, the essence of the Christian worldview, (3.) were not so categorical

1. This is apparently obtained from you. It is written in black and white, and you create white from black and vice versa. I said what I said. And what you WANTED for yourself, this depends on the degree of imagination and fantasies.
2. Of course, the "information" may be different. Depending on their source, the degree of his trust and interpretation of this information.
3. The death of any idea (ideology) begins at the moment of HER DOGMATIZATION. It was then that she began to lag behind life more and more, and then get in her way. The outcome can be different, both for ideology itself and for vigorous trends. But in this conflict, one and the second suffer losses. Least.
One more question for you as a Christian - from the split in the ROC with the Old Believers, who acquired what, approved? And for the sake of what were the people extremely steadfast in their faith rejected? Fanatically confident in their righteousness, walking alive into the fire ... The most enterprising part, by the way, is the Orthodox. Not in the modern concept of an "off-road entrepreneur", but with the highest potential for survival, creation and development of something new, no matter what is written about them now ...
Assigning one thing to the only truth in the last resort and its one and only interpretation is death ... And life is the most successful ideas or beliefs in practice, including in the long term.
Who is really interested in understanding Kurginyan’s ideas - the virtual essence of time club http://eot.su/welcome
[media = http: //youtu.be/hPC6ej8E5Wk]

[Owl]

I understand Kurginyan, no matter how defamated by the publications of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, but during the election campaign, he realized that at that time, the only real candidate for the presidency was VVP, therefore he campaigned for "Putin's stability", redistribution of "power" with the participation of the parquet, "sub-Kremlin" opposition (the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, the SR, the Liberal Democratic Party and similar parties) would bring even greater impoverishment of the country and the alienation of Russia from normal life.

[BorisBM]

Kurginyan is a smart guy. They deprived of air. But he does not give up and is right in many ways, if not in everything. His health and strength to reach out to our hearts.

[Kir]

And it is interesting if you turn to the moderators of this site with a proposal to contact the respected S.E. Kurginyan and the members of "The Essence of Time" to publish their materials here, on the same "Eye of the Planet" I saw materials reprinted from here, and what is not a replacement for the air, though would be partial?
And what about the USSR 2.0 or even as it does not matter, the main thing is, in the beginning and in the middle, not the same rake of national policy and the separation of "elites" from mere mortals!

[arnulla]

judging by the comments on this thread, it will be problematic to reach "the hearts" of some, some simply cannot comprehend what has been written ..))) And Kurginyan is clever, I agree.

[late]

I was not too lazy to count - the author uses the word "trash heap" and its derivatives about 65 (!) Times .. Of course, now it is customary to say that "an artist sees this way", but I think that this word-parasite replaced the word "MOTHERLAND" in his brain ". Regardless of the state system, Russia is my native country and for me such a person as Kurginyan is unpleasant and his vision of the events taking place in my homeland is" to the light of the day "for me!

[s1н7т]

It seemed to me that Kurginyan was a dummy. And the Communist Party + the ROC = a new state - pi-pets, nonsense! "Not our man" (C)

[Alexander 1958]

For CATOK
Good afternoon! In many respects I support your opinion about Kurginyan, but there are several BUT .. I do not advise you to WATCH his lecture cycles, it is better to just listen if you can, I could not .. When you watch, you get a feeling. that a person owns technologies for manipulating consciousness and the fact that he has 3 formations, one director confirms my suspicions of manipulation. I can agree. that a politician who does not know how to influence people is not a politician, but what Kurginyan does is very much like the methods of a sect leader, not a leader of a mass movement. I repeat, much of what Kurginyan says is close to me.
Alexander 1958

[Rink]

Alexander 1958, thank! Now I’ll see for sure
You need to understand "xy from xy" and who this Kurginyan is. .Sometimes a person's eyes help to understand what is inside him. I am certainly not God knows what a connoisseur of souls, and I can be deceived. But what I have read from him so far is close to me.

[Karish]

Quote: Alexander 1958

When viewing, there is a sensation. that a person owns technologies for manipulating consciousness and the fact that he has 3 formations, one director confirms my suspicions of manipulation.

I got the impression that he would prove with foam at the mouth
(literally) any profitable and opportunistic idea at the moment. In general, his manner of behavior does not inspire confidence in me. Someone raised to the degree of fanaticism. I am a supporter of calm and reasoned polemics using normative vocabulary, rather than rushing to words like * garbage * in against the whole country, staring eyes and spray of saliva on the sides

[Alexander 1958]

For Karish
Good afternoon! I already said that according to one of the 3 formations, Kurginyan is a director and has a tendency to theatricality. I, too, are jarred when he calls Russia a garbage dump, but he does it on purpose and with a good, not an abusive purpose! Speaking calmly and reasonably, it will not work to reach our souls and make them at least start to think, and there it may act ...
Alexander 1958

[Alexander 1958]

For Nechai
Good afternoon! In my opinion, examples of the decay of the Chinese communist elite are not the worst in Chinese reality .. Try to look back at history and recall a country that was also revived and armed for 10-15 years for the specific purpose of conquering the USSR and breaking national borders in Europe ..
The Chinese are well done! They want and know how to work! So much to build in 20 years, even Stalin would not have done more. But there are a few points that are alarming. The Chinese project appeared first as a counterweight to the USSR, and after the collapse of the USSR-Russia. Why has the West invested and continues to invest in China huge funds and technologies, provides it with its sales markets? Do you believe in the altruism of the Rothschilds and Rockefellers? Me not! Those who make such decisions will surely take care of guarantees and will not allow China to become overly strengthened. Hitler’s example is clear. While he was doing what he was created for, everything was possible for him. As soon as I got out of the script written to him, they filled up with common efforts. A. Makarevich said well .. and the one who cares her and undead, the same then slaughter her ..
Alexander 1958
Alexander 1958

[Serg_Y]

I do not think that the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers think so far, for today's model of the world, corporations are needed, and corporations need profits, China is a cheap supplier of labor. While this is how the model works, banks can be proud of the growth of account balances. The Chinese are getting investments to modernize industry, because after the walk of the Japanese army, the Chinese (like us during the First World War) realized that you couldn’t get far on agricultural holdings. This is a symbiosis of World Capital and the Chinese people. It is hard to say how it will end for us, but for the United States it is predictable that Ben Ladan demolished two buildings alone, while the Chinese can continue to believe in the world revolution and continue the work of Lenin and Stalin.

[Alexander 1958]

For
Serg_Y
Good afternoon!

Quote: Serg_Y

I don’t think that the Rothschilds and Rockefellers think so far, for today's model of the world, corporations are needed, and corporations need profit,

And thinking is never superfluous, especially for the future .. We will always lose if we do not plan 50 years in advance, as RR does. RR and others think in terms of power, not profit. Profit is the lot of corporations that just make money, and PP decide who will earn and on whom ...
Alexander 1958

[Serg_Y]

I was not talking about Russia, but the financial elite, control over a certain amount of financial flows is important, and who will stand in the D-T-D chain is not, now it is the USA-China-World, the difference between World and USA determines the profit, why Libya is needed, Syria, Egypt are new markets and potential carriers of a different, and therefore enemy, model. In such a global model, those who are not for us are against us. Before Putin, Russia tried to play this game until it realized that the global capital of resources, markets and production under the influence of the local national state is not enough. They need EVERYTHING because so higher profits. World capital has digested the monarchy of almost all countries, now national governments are next in line. They did not think that there would be terrorists, these are costs of business risk. If you want, I’m talking about business as a religion of money, this will make the model of the world financially predictable, which is what the financier needs, because it is clear to them and not scary. The monarchy, i.e. family clans, is a risk, national governments are a risk, religion is a risk. While a person makes a decision not on the basis of money, this is a risk to world capital, and therefore lost profits. You can rant for a long time, there are different people, some manage money well (Kashchei are immortal), others armies (Ivan Tsarevich) came to power, everyone wants to keep it, because in front of society everyone has a stigma in the cannon.

[andrey.shamay]

As for the current dump, I completely agree. However, the one who agitates for communism - this twentieth-century plague that claimed the lives of hundreds of millions of people around the world, at least For you cannot call such a fool a fool. And the union of the Russian Orthodox Church and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation is explained only by the fact that the current church chiefs look out of the KGB’s outfit.

[Lavrik]

Quote: c1n7

Quote: Lavrik
we became zero (quite independent, toothy),

Give examples, "patriot"! And then I do not know. Iraq, Libya, Syria, the concession of territories to China, companionship in the Kuril Islands, redistribution of borders in the North in favor of whom there, the Norwegians, seems to be evidence of "toothiness" ?! Political information failed laughing And at the expense of us to choose, I remember 146%! Or did you have someone specifically in mind, not the people of the Russian Federation?

I will bring it. Yugoslavia, Iraq, Syria, Iran. We are practically the only country to defend them (not military, of course). Is that not toothy? Not an independent policy? Or do you consider toothy - throw ten old TFR and BOD at ten AUG? So this is called madness, thoughtlessness. The same applies to the Arctic and the Kuril Islands.

[Evil Tatar]

Quote: VLADIMIR700

It's a shame for the "Garbage" - but it's not only we have it all over the world, but before such a controlled and not quite controlled mess was

Quote: Melchakov

He was offended by the authorities, he was pushed away from the feeder, so he started, we’ll create a party, I will raise the people ...

Quote: Beck

The patient is a person. We saw his foam from the mouth at a rally. And who needs a patient. Here they pushed him. And he is again there in politics to mother his mother.

Quote: sergey32

At the beginning of the article, the author calls the garbage system the system of power created by us, but reading further does not leave the feeling that he understands our country as garbage. I didn’t understand how he was going to rebuild our life.

Quote: Company 8

And not dumb to the author to live in a garbage can? Blow to North Korea, come off to the full!

Quote: Ascetic

tambu, Kurginyan is the favorite child of the Gorbachev 27th Congress of the CPSU. Then he headed the ETC

Whenever it came to discussing his judgments, he wrote about Kurginyan in negative ...
From the read and to the comments of like-minded people, there is nothing to add ...
Calling my Motherland-Russia a dump, even for the sake of conveying his judgments to the stupid, as he clearly believes, residents of the country, Kurginyan with his congeniality descended, for me, a few more steps into his personal garbage pit ...
But in order to convey their judgments to the people, there exist truly simple but brilliant words and phrases that could be formulated by true patriots of the Motherland, for example, General Petrov (!) - it is a pity that he left untimely.
It is a pity that genuine sensible comments about this person are zealously minded by someone here, which affects the participants' correct assessment of the discussion of his activities.
The article is a clear minus!
Although the article itself for evaluating the activist as a hidden enemy of Russia brings a positive effect. IMHO

[arnulla]

Is Kurginyan a hidden enemy of Russia? And who are you friends?

[Evil Tatar]

Quote: arnulla

Is Kurginyan a hidden enemy of Russia? And who are you friends?

And where did you get the idea that among them I should have friends?
And if in essence, then the views of the murdered General Petrov are closer to me ...
And Kurginyan is a demagogue, a member of the Gorbachev team (his adviser in the late 80s).
Today I would like to disown (wash off) my involvement in the collapse of the USSR as a member of the team of reformers, but it turns out badly, which is why it spills saliva in historic (o) erotic seizures, if you want ...

[zemlyak]

Kurginyan is right. Maybe someone is using the expression "dump", please, there is another synonym for "swamp", not like "swamp", there is "Rashka" - the essence of the matter does not change. For twenty years, nothing has changed, as they did not pay wages and do not pay as they stole from the people and steal as people died from all sorts of man-made accidents, catastrophes, and they die and this list can be continued indefinitely. The worst thing is that the government does nothing or does not want to do in order to pull its people, their Russia out of this a vicious circle. Yes, and the people for the most part do not really want to pull themselves out of this mud, why? Kurginyan is right. NOTHING has changed. iPhones have just appeared.

[Bigriver]

Kurginyan read and watched quite a lot, and there remains a feeling that this is an intellectual fighter for counter-action, but not for the development of any idea, direction of movement.
Too much energy is spent on diagnosis and analysis.
But I did not see a clearly articulated strategy anywhere.
What do you need to do? Step by step?

[Alexander 1958]

For BigRiver
Good afternoon!

Quote: BigRiver

But I did not see a clearly articulated strategy anywhere.
What do you need to do? Step by step

Well, it seems, in black and white it is written in the article ..
.... Well, now, we need to create something more than a party, and then create a party or parties, that’s our principle ... Kurginyan
Alexander 1958

[Bigriver]

Alexander 1958

That's what I'm talking about.
Where is the ideology of the movement and the future state, where is the socio-economic platform, where is the foreign policy, including in relation to the countries of the former Union, where is the order of the people who will implement all this?
One can only hear: "IT IS NECESSARY to create something .. and then ..."
Well, create it! Well, or at the very least, say something solid that could be discussed.
Everything is unsteady, not specific.