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Tests of the Borshchevik mobile complex for direction finding of Starlink satellite Internet terminals are being completed in Russia

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Tests of the Borshchevik mobile complex for direction finding of Starlink satellite Internet terminals are being completed in Russia

Russia has developed a new direction-finding complex for Starlink satellite Internet terminals, which are actively used by the Ukrainian army. The new complex, called "Borshchevik", is already completing tests.


Private company "Sestroretsky weapons Zavod" has developed the "Borshchevik" complex, designed for direction finding of operating Starlink satellite Internet terminals. According to the developers, the complex allows you to pinpoint the location of the terminal at a distance of 10 km in a sector of 180 degrees, while the error does not exceed 60 meters. The direction finding time of one point is no more than 15 minutes.

Data on the location of Starlink terminals is displayed using a modern graphical interface with the ability to connect topographic maps of the area.

Little is known about the complex itself, it is reported that it is mobile, i.e. installed on the ground chassis. This, in turn, allows the use of "Borshchevik" in the area of ​​​​the contact line and, if necessary, quickly change the location.

It should be noted that the Starlink satellite Internet system is actively used by the Armed Forces of Ukraine to provide communications and control, shutdown of terminals or failures in their operation negatively affect the combat capability of the Ukrainian army. The Armed Forces of Ukraine are modeled after the US Army, where great importance is attached to obtaining operational information, including using all types of intelligence, including satellite. As military operations within the framework of the NMD have already shown, the use of electronic warfare systems that jam the communications of Ukrainian units leads to complete confusion and heavy losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
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  1. Boniface
    Boniface 19 December 2022 11: 59
    +3
    Well, now there will be someone to "beat the plates" good
    1. credo
      credo 19 December 2022 12: 09
      +3
      Quote: Boniface
      Well, now there will be someone to "beat the plates" good

      Judging by the text of the article, the complex is intended for bearing, and not for the destruction of Starlink saucers.
      Other means are used to destroy "saucers". soldier
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 19 December 2022 15: 35
        +4
        The complex allows pinpointing the location of the terminal at a distance of 10 km in a sector of 180 degrees, while the error does not exceed 60 meters. The direction finding time for one point is no more than 15 minutes.
        Short range, long time. Let me explain my thought: closer than a couple of kilometers (rather further) to the front line, this car cannot be adjusted, which means that it will be able to work at most on the ukrov battalion level. At such a range, the coverage will be small, which means that the probability of detecting the terminal will be reduced. The detection time also works against both the survivability of the complex itself and the probability of detecting the terminal.
        But, as they say, dashing trouble - the beginning!
        Interestingly, is there a search on the parasitic illumination of the terminal or on the transmitting beam from the satellite?
        1. Sergey_52
          Sergey_52 20 December 2022 11: 28
          +2
          I think, like any equipment in a similar situation, taking into account combat experience, they will modernize and improve it. The main thing is to start.
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 20 December 2022 16: 01
            0
            Quote: Sergey_52
            I think, like any equipment in a similar situation, taking into account combat experience, they will modernize and improve it. The main thing is to start.

            The range and time of the notch depend little on combat experience, it's a matter of physics.
            1. Sergey_52
              Sergey_52 20 December 2022 21: 51
              +2
              Yes and no. It seems not so long ago, just to send a message, you had to go to the telegraph office, but in physics, nothing has changed much since that moment. winked
              1. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 21 December 2022 04: 39
                0
                Quote: Sergey_52
                It seems not so long ago, just to send a message, you had to go to the telegraph office, but in physics nothing has changed much since then

                In physics, there is no world as such, of course, but as in science, how. Some electronic lamps are worth something! laughing
                1. Sergey_52
                  Sergey_52 21 December 2022 12: 00
                  +1
                  My wife recently found these lamps at the institute, as well as radio spare parts made in the USSR - the car is simple)
    2. Orange Bigg
      Orange Bigg 19 December 2022 12: 18
      +3
      . Tests of the Borshchevik mobile complex for direction finding of Starlink satellite Internet terminals are being completed in Russia


      Hogweed? Is it in the sense that they want to leave Ukrainians without borscht, or vice versa, to feed their fill of borscht? laughing laughing
      1. solar
        solar 19 December 2022 16: 22
        +1
        Hogweed has nothing to do with modern borscht. This is a genus of plants from the umbrella family.
        1. Orange Bigg
          Orange Bigg 19 December 2022 16: 28
          +2
          Quote from solar
          Hogweed has nothing to do with modern borscht. This is a genus of plants from the umbrella family.


          I know. Just kidding.
      2. Dismas
        Dismas 20 December 2022 12: 49
        +3
        Borscht from the "plant of the umbrella family".
      3. Former soldier
        Former soldier 20 December 2022 21: 40
        +3
        Hogweed? Is it in the sense that they want to leave Ukrainians without borsch or, on the contrary, feed borsch to their fill? laughing laughing

        Hogweed is a ferocious, prolific weed that can drown out vast areas under crops. Apparently there is a goal to uproot the StarLink system completely in the combat area. In the language of a botanist, completely drown out.
    3. Sibiriya
      Sibiriya 19 December 2022 20: 28
      -2
      Little is known about the complex itself, it is reported that it is mobile, i.e. installed on the ground chassis. This, in turn, allows the use of "Borshchevik" in the area of ​​​​the contact line and, if necessary, quickly change the location.

      "The complex can be installed on a car chassis, which makes it convenient to use it on the front line." But apparently now it is not obvious that portable systems are needed, portable, albeit not on one pack. In the area where the operation of such a system will give at least some decent result, a parked truck with another unparalleled complex will be detected and destroyed by the enemy in a moment. Awesome comfortable.
      1. Sergey_52
        Sergey_52 20 December 2022 11: 39
        0
        Only apparently now it is not obvious that portable systems are needed

        I completely agree, therefore I suggest that you convey this idea to the leadership of the country - you see, every private will have a suitcase with Yars, and officers will have a couple of suitcases with Zircons. It's so easy to put everything in a suitcase...
    4. Fizik13
      Fizik13 20 December 2022 01: 38
      +1
      Quote: Boniface
      Well, now there will be someone to "beat the plates"

      We must not "beat the cymbals", but learn to jam them, and then we will jam them when and where we need, all over the world!
      1. Sergey Petrov_6
        Sergey Petrov_6 24 December 2022 00: 31
        0
        It is necessary to jam and beat. In war, all means are good
  2. Jafar
    Jafar 19 December 2022 11: 59
    +2
    "Cowweed"

    original title (s)
  3. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 19 December 2022 12: 00
    +1
    This is certainly good, what does the Sestroretsk Arms Plant have to do with electronic warfare? It has a completely different product profile.
    1. bk316
      bk316 19 December 2022 12: 19
      +6
      This is certainly good, what does the "Sestroretsk Arms Plant" have to do with electronic warfare?

      This is not electronic warfare, this is RER laughing
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 19 December 2022 13: 01
      +9
      Quote: tralflot1832
      It has a completely different product profile.

      In PPE - yes, the profile is instrumental. But the whole point is that BORSHEVIK was bungled by Sestroretsk Arms Plant LLC, a private company engaged in a "broad profile" of scientific and survey work and projects. And judging by the application: at D = 10km in the 0-180 * sector and with an accuracy of 5-60m, they will still be able to find the Starlink "plate". And if “geography” (or rather, cartography!) is summed up under this, then it will be like 60 fingers on asphalt to “plow” a 60x2m square, or to dismantle a “separate building” into bricks. yes
  4. Sith
    Sith 19 December 2022 12: 01
    +3
    Command posts and Ukrainian bloggers on the front line will be crushed
    Calculated ... the eagle flew out ... art covered ...
    1. Quote Lavrov
      Quote Lavrov 19 December 2022 12: 06
      +6
      And then another "Hunter" hit, and then "Armata" already with "Uranus" pulled themselves up, then "Peresvet" and, as a result, "Poseidon" will reach the Dnieper ...

      I mean that we have enough projects, developments. But all this can be considered only when they are in parts, used systematically and by trained specialists.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 19 December 2022 13: 09
        +1
        Quote: Quote Lavrov
        We have enough projects and developments. But all this can be considered only when they are in parts, used systematically and by trained specialists.

        Your truth! It is necessary to remove the "Makhrovs" from the General Staff and put in cyber-advanced young guys rummaging through the RES, so that they keep their nose to the wind and keep track of all new trends. In order not to look for the guilty later, not to sprinkle ashes on the head and not to look for "alternative" solutions, looking for an antidote to the newfangled gizmos of the NATO and US armies.
        But this should not happen with hogweed: we have already suffered from the network-centric carousel using Starlink! If the warriors do not draw conclusions from this bitter experience, then, as the father said, - DRAIN THE MATERIAL !!!
        IMHO.
        1. alexoff
          alexoff 19 December 2022 21: 16
          +1
          It seems to me that this is a vicious way of thinking that fools with outdated concepts are sitting in the army. They are aware of everything in 99% of cases, they are just corrupt pests, and here it is not necessary to drive, but to start business and check the property and place of residence of children
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 20 December 2022 11: 23
            +2
            Quote from alexoff
            in the army there are fools with outdated concepts. They are aware only in 99% of cases, just corrupt corrupt pests

            Colleague, the Army, like society, is not even a very homogeneous mass ... There are line-combat officers "militants-siloviki". And there are also suppliers who delivered / delivered ... and those who sit on the procurement and conclusion of supply contracts.
            But there is such a thing as the MILITARY-TECHNICAL COUNCIL under the Ministry of Defense (General Staff) ... So, everything is determined there: what kind of weapon is needed, how much and who will produce it and from what. There must be prophets and seers of our military-technical TOMORROW and for the future ...
            And the platoon Vanya will not get anything from your "corruption". Well, if only (on occasion) a can of stewed meat and half a liter of alcohol for gatherings in a dugout dugout is stolen ...
            So, somehow, however.
            AHA.
            1. alexoff
              alexoff 20 December 2022 22: 39
              -1
              So this is not about Sergeant Vasya, but about those who, like, did not notice the drones. I remember Kassad 6 years ago had slides from some presentation from the military tops, where they showed that with the help of a quadrocopter it was possible to hit the command post of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in a detached village house with just a few artillery shells and the conclusions were that household quadrocopters rule. I'm sure it was a lot, and what? In 2008, they bang 5 billion so that Vega made a heavy drone, and by the way, it took off very soon, but crashed. And for "Orion" and "Altius" they have already given a total of 4 billion, which is actually a penny. The head of the Air Force, Zelin, promised that 40% of the drones will, from 2011, go to the troops and attack UAVs. Surely they overslept the drones? Or maybe they saw that the new branch of the army is such a hassle and better than him? Let Vasya fight!
      2. Popenko
        Popenko 20 December 2022 13: 56
        +1
        Eh! My part of the body senses that all this will go to the troops when the Russian flag is over the rechstag. Ugh! Above the Kyiv Rada.
  5. oleg-nekrasov-19
    oleg-nekrasov-19 19 December 2022 12: 04
    +6
    Well, the Starlink complexes, taken as trophies in Mariupol, have served us well, now we will wait for the effectiveness of Borshchevik
  6. Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
    Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov 19 December 2022 12: 04
    -1
    In Russia, tests of the Borshchevik mobile complex are being completed

    ***
    - "Borshchevik" - this is to annoy Svidomo ...
    ***
    1. Yngvar
      Yngvar 19 December 2022 12: 32
      +6
      Hogweed is a vile plant, a weed that destroys all the plants around, and it is almost impossible to destroy it itself ... By the way, it was imported from the USA, supposedly for breeding and feeding cattle ... A separate "thank you" to Khrushch and the CIA ...
      So utter disgusting ... and "Cow-parsnip" for "Starlink" seems to be from the same series ...
      It is a pity that they "started up" only when such a "unit" should have been on the battlefield for a long time!
      1. Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
        Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov 19 December 2022 12: 36
        -3
        Hogweed is a vile plant, a weed

        ***
        - Thank you very much! I studied botany at school in the sixties of the last century ...
        ***
      2. solar
        solar 19 December 2022 16: 25
        -2
        By the way, it was imported from the USA, allegedly for breeding and feeding cattle ...

        Hogweed Sosnovsky (lat. Heracléum sosnówskyi) is a large herbaceous plant, a species of the genus Hogweed (Heracleum) of the Umbelliferae family. The plant has the ability to cause severe and long-lasting burns on the skin [2].

        Since the middle of the 3th century, the plant has been cultivated in the USSR[4] as a silage plant[1944]. Subsequently, it turned out that it easily runs wild and penetrates into natural ecosystems, almost completely destroying them ... I.P. Mandenova, who identified and described a new species of hogweed in 1885, named it in honor of the Caucasian flora researcher Dmitry Ivanovich Sosnovsky (1953-1977). In 1951, in the report of the agrobiologist K. A. Moiseev (when considering the material of the Komi branch of the USSR Academy of Sciences on the inclusion of a new variety of hogweed "Severyanin" in the state test), it was indicated that the initial seed material for testing hogweed was collected in 1952-5 in the vicinity of Nalchik , in natural conditions of growth [XNUMX].
  7. Guran33 Sergey
    Guran33 Sergey 19 December 2022 12: 06
    0
    ..EW systems on the NWO clearly failed (everyone is sharply silent about them), but maybe this equipment will shoot. It will add work to mopeds
    1. Artem B.
      Artem B. 19 December 2022 13: 07
      +1
      EW systems did not fail.
      They are simply ineffective at this level of conflict.
  8. ALARI
    ALARI 19 December 2022 12: 08
    -11
    Of course, this is all you need, but let's compare the size and price of the Starlink terminal and our hogweed. Efficiency is clearly not in our favor, especially since starlink also brings profit, beats money.
    1. bk316
      bk316 19 December 2022 12: 15
      +4
      Of course, this is all you need, but let's compare the size and price of the Starlink terminal and our hogweed.

      Che for stupidity. Well, this is not a missile defense system; after all, it is not a one-time use. Why compare them if one cow parsnip can calculate a hundred starlinks?
      1. Galleon
        Galleon 19 December 2022 12: 33
        -1
        Judging by the performance of the product - in one kung and an antenna post on the roof, the authors made their reconnaissance station exactly one-time, along with the crew to boot.
        Let me explain: the range is only up to 10 km, i.e. the product must be located for work not only in the coverage area of ​​\u300b\uXNUMXbreconnaissance and artillery of the enemy, but to reduce the error as close as possible to the front edge with such a unmasking feature as an antenna on top of the kung. It would be nice if the antenna was remote with a cable drum for XNUMX meters. But those who thought about this extremely specific technique apparently believed that it would work at the training ground. I hope they are all part of the challenge team and are already beginning to understand something.
        Raw product. Requires improvement.
        And in vain they called in the open press and so weak characteristics. The company and battalion CPs were moved away from the limber, and the whole thing was short-lived.
        1. bk316
          bk316 19 December 2022 12: 42
          0
          Let me explain: the range is only up to 10 km,

          Yes, about the range is also a question, as well as flow and speed.
          And why does he have a sight on the side. Is that a target?
          1. Galleon
            Galleon 19 December 2022 12: 57
            +4
            The photo may be illustrative, not presentational. I searched on the Internet - there are no other similar photos, there is a photo of a completely different antenna post. The most frank nonsense is written by AiF.
            1. bovi
              bovi 19 December 2022 14: 28
              0
              O! about nonsense - this is to the point. Everything else is covered in mist. Well, if there are real numbers in the open press, then someone has stopped catching mice and should go to bunk beds, starting with fleas.
      2. ALARI
        ALARI 19 December 2022 13: 13
        0
        I’m talking about the size of a hundred sterling in a backpack and in different directions, and a kung with half a ton of equipment just doesn’t relocate even if there are wheels.
    2. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 19 December 2022 12: 26
      0
      The Sestroretsk Arms Plant is a private enterprise, it has nothing to do with the budget of the Russian Federation.
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    4. tranquil
      tranquil 19 December 2022 13: 40
      -2
      Quote: ALARI
      let's compare starlink

      Quote: ALARI
      not in our favor

      Quote: ALARI
      also brings profit

      Hogweed is not being developed to compare an elephant with a rhinoceros and make a profit, but to calculate and then destroy the rabid Bandera dogs.
  9. Leader_Barmaleev
    Leader_Barmaleev 19 December 2022 12: 10
    +4
    15 minutes with an accuracy of up to 60 meters ... On the one hand, it is clear that you will become fishless and cancerous, but on the other hand, in our digital time, this is the level of the "skillful hands" school circle, moreover, in a rural school. I really hope that this is just a running-in of the concept and in the future the performance characteristics will be as follows: fixing a point - 0,01 seconds, point bearing - 1 second, triangulation and ranging with the issuance of coordinates - 10 seconds, accuracy 2 meters. And only so. In the meantime, there is nothing to brag about, but thanks for trying.
    1. bk316
      bk316 19 December 2022 12: 18
      +2
      this is the level of the "skillful hands" school circle, moreover, in a rural school.

      Well, I would not be so categorical, but the parameters really leave room for questions.
      60 meters is clearly not enough for artillery damage.
      60 minutes is not clear at all, what is the time to do?
      1. Yngvar
        Yngvar 19 December 2022 12: 41
        +3
        Well, as they say: "Better forty times one time than never forty times!"
        They will "bring" the product, but only time is running out...
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 19 December 2022 13: 24
      +10
      Quote: Leader_Barmaleev
      Until then, there's nothing to brag about.

      Interesting you guys! Find a PASSIVE satellite dish (With a directivity pattern vertically upwards!) It's not for you to detect and determine its place as a source of continuous EMP radiation!
      Thanks to the scouts who captured the dish with the "equipment", which made it possible to determine the side lobes and parasitic currents ... Yes, thanks to the "initiators" from Sestroretsk Instrumental Plant LLC ... Otherwise, they would continue to complain that the dill receive all the data in real time, and we "in a day", by courier from Moscow! ( laughing ).
      Therefore - 60m at D \u10d XNUMX km is a completely acceptable value for inflicting an artillery strike on a non-radiating target. Surely some kind of launcher / headquarters will also be fastened to it. Well, it will not be superfluous to comb it at the same time! I guess so.
      AHA.
      1. bairat
        bairat 19 December 2022 14: 13
        +2
        Why passive? The reverse signal must also go.
      2. solar
        solar 19 December 2022 17: 18
        -2
        Thanks to the scouts who captured the plate with the "equipment"

        And why grab it, it is on open sale to everyone.
    3. cpls22
      cpls22 19 December 2022 14: 50
      +1
      He is passive - he has nowhere to hurry until he goes on the air with the transfer of coordinates. And the target for detection is also not running. So the normul - if only it worked reliably, and was less noticeable.
  10. I dare to_notice_
    I dare to_notice_ 19 December 2022 12: 14
    +2
    Too shy to ask...
    Is this the same screw "for every tricky" ... ass?
    1. Galleon
      Galleon 19 December 2022 12: 37
      +1
      Quote: I dare_notice_
      Too shy to ask...
      Is this the same screw "for every tricky" ... ass?

      I'm not shy to answer: they piled a certain screw and now they are trying it on their priests. Judging by the characteristics, he tries on unsightly for Starlink subscriber sets.
  11. APASUS
    APASUS 19 December 2022 12: 15
    +1
    Now the main thing is that the Ministry of Defense would buy them, in sufficient quantities
    1. skeptick2
      skeptick2 19 December 2022 12: 35
      -3
      Quote: APASUS
      Now the main thing is that the Ministry of Defense would buy them, in sufficient quantities

      What to buy? Now?
      Something that hasn't even finished testing yet? Do you know how the transition from testing a single product to serial production takes place?
    2. Galleon
      Galleon 19 December 2022 12: 42
      0
      Quote: APASUS
      Now the main thing is that the Ministry of Defense would buy them, in sufficient quantities

      Let this hardware first prove its effectiveness: responsiveness, consistency with existing data transmission systems, survivability, high MTBF resistance ... There are characteristics and there are standards for some. And then there are purchases and awards.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 19 December 2022 12: 58
        0
        Quote: Galleon
        Let this iron first prove its effectiveness:

        I don’t think it’s some kind of super iron. Even in Chechnya, they used something similar, so how much time has passed. The question is rather in procurement, is our Defense Ministry ready to provide each artillery platoon with such equipment and train personnel. Especially since the time from testing to industrial production may be an abyss
  12. Woodman
    Woodman 19 December 2022 12: 18
    +1
    a new direction finding complex for Starlink satellite Internet terminals has been developed
    The main thing is that this complex gets to the front as quickly as possible.
  13. Vadim Topal Pasha
    Vadim Topal Pasha 19 December 2022 12: 28
    +1
    For some reason, many commentators thought that the complex was named in such a way as to "annoy Ukrainians" with a hint of Ukrainian borscht.

    But in general, Hogweed in the Russian Federation is an awesomely tall weed that causes burns and allergies. In general, the infection is still the same! :)
  14. Vadim Topal Pasha
    Vadim Topal Pasha 19 December 2022 12: 30
    +3
    Regarding the accuracy of direction finding. She doesn't seem to be very tall. But what is important here is that the very fact of the presence of a Starlink terminal somewhere is revealed. And if you need more accurate coordinates, then you can reconnoiter. Well, or stupidly hit the squares with ancient cast iron shells. Cheap and angry! :)
    1. Leader_Barmaleev
      Leader_Barmaleev 19 December 2022 12: 59
      0
      Communication between the user terminal and the satellite is carried out in the Ku-band, while 2000 MHz can be used for transmission from the satellite to the subscriber, and only 500 MHz from the subscriber to the satellite. Given two polarizations for traffic transmission, the satellite has 4000 MHz down and 1000 MHz reception.

      That is, in order to fix the fact that the Starlink terminal is transmitting, a device the size of a phone is enough - a 500 MHz receiver, and if it also has a phased antenna - for such a frequency it will be the size of a notebook, then it will be possible to determine the direction to the signal source . The price of the issue is SEVERAL THOUSAND RUBLES. Two fighters with such devices triangulate the source with an accuracy of up to a meter. Based on this, I am extremely puzzled by the product proposed in the article.
      1. Vadim Topal Pasha
        Vadim Topal Pasha 19 December 2022 13: 15
        0
        In principle, my knowledge of physics (not updated in this millennium) hinted at such a possibility. But since I am far from practice, I did not climb with my opinion.

        In general, I would not be surprised if at one moment, far from pleasant for Svidomo, these stations are massively destroyed just before the onset. With all the consequences.
        1. Leader_Barmaleev
          Leader_Barmaleev 19 December 2022 13: 23
          +1
          I also graduated from school in 1980, although later I studied physics at the institute, but it was biophysics. But in my youth as a pioneer, I went to a radio club, where we assembled direction finders for the game "fox hunting" with our own hands - transmitters were chaotically hidden in the forest, which turned on for a short time. The task was to find them all. And while reading the article, I quietly went nuts - the problem statement is EXACTLY THE SAME as in the game. Only in the game we went from a distance of several kilometers with an accuracy of a meter and had only a device INDEPENDENTLY SOLDERED from radio components, powered by ordinary batteries and weighing a little more than a kilogram - this is for short waves !!! where you need a long antenna and high power. Something like this...
          1. Vadim Topal Pasha
            Vadim Topal Pasha 19 December 2022 13: 28
            0
            Well, so I'm talking about the same ... Something immortal was remembered:
            "As Nemirovich said to his friend and colleague Danchenko:
            - I do not believe this Stanislavsky! He's kind of muddy!" (C) :)

            and with the idea of ​​​​the article, I do not understand everything and there are questions.
          2. Alexander Lotsmanov
            Alexander Lotsmanov 26 December 2022 10: 08
            0
            You made transmitters with an omnidirectional antenna. On the terminals, the starlink is a directional antenna, and on the satellite, an antenna with a phased array with beam forming technology.
    2. solar
      solar 19 December 2022 17: 20
      -3
      why open it, everyone knows that the APU has them.
  15. Maks1995
    Maks1995 19 December 2022 12: 40
    -1
    Basically, not much.
    Starlink is cheap, plentiful, has been around for a while...

    Hogweed - in the future (and it may not be, there is no mention of ordering the army), roads, works at a short distance, and only takes bearings ....

    PS. As discussed here, our analogues of Starlink are expensive, single in the future ... (thanks to Rogozin and K,)

    Alas...
  16. Seal
    Seal 19 December 2022 16: 32
    0
    Quote: Yngvar
    Hogweed is a vile plant, a weed that destroys all plants around, and it is almost impossible to destroy it itself ... By the way, it was brought from the USA, supposedly for breeding and feeding cattle ..

    The genus of hogweed includes up to 70 plant species. About 40 of them grow in Russia. Far from all of the hogweeds are dangerous, poisonous and tend to flood empty fields and breed on roadsides. In Russia, there are two types of absolutely safe and even completely edible hogweed: Siberian and hairy. Although Siberian hogweed is called "Siberian", it is common in Europe, the Caucasus, and Western Siberia, as well as in the Crimea and on the territory of Kazakhstan .
    Vile - this is Sosnovsky's cow parsnip. And he's not from America. From America - the idea to feed cows with hogweed in principle. After the war, our country needed a rapid rise in agriculture. The question of livestock feed came up sharply. Moreover, such feed, which would be as nutritious as possible, grew quickly, gave a good harvest and was unpretentious in cultivation. It was then that in the USSR they learned that in the countries of North America cattle are fed with a huge plant - juicy and high-calorie. The leaders of the USSR found out and gave the order to find the same with us. The homeland of the hogweed Sosnovsky (the same invader that has now flooded everything) is the mountainous regions of the Caucasus and Turkey. It was on this plant that Soviet scientists turned their attention. For inclusion in the state test, hogweed seeds were taken from the vicinity of Nalchik (Kabardino-Balkarian Republic). It happened in 1951-1952.
    So Sosnovsky's hogweed is endemic to the Caucasus. The plant had a clearly defined area of ​​growth - between the Black and Caspian Seas at altitudes of 1500-2300 m - and could not spread beyond it. It was human intervention that changed everything.
    Scientists were attracted by the intensive growth of hogweed, its unpretentiousness to soil and weather conditions. It was planned to receive tons of green fodder for cattle in a very short period. Since the middle of the XNUMXth century, hogweed has been massively sown and cultivated on the territory of the RSFSR as a perennial fodder silage crop. In addition, it was planted along highways and railways, as a barrier for animals and a barrier from car exhaust gases.
    1. Father of papa carlo
      Father of papa carlo 19 December 2022 18: 16
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      You heard the ringing, but you don't know where it is. )) I read the Wikipedia article and rubbed people here!. Yes, feed, for cows, and when young. They fed it to a cow to increase milk yield, it stings the throat and the cow eats and drinks more, it sets the throat on fire, you understand? ! The fact that you wrote further crap about the barrier wall is generally a kindergarten. Get off the couch and start moving! lol
      1. Seal
        Seal 20 December 2022 17: 02
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        First, not Wikipedia. But more serious.
        And secondly, why did you decide that I drank brotherhood or geese with you?
        No need to be like the tram boors.
        And thirdly ...... God bless you, I see that if you believe in something, it is impossible to convince you with any arguments hi
        1. Father of papa carlo
          Father of papa carlo 20 December 2022 17: 26
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          Because you write nonsense! Your comment for the city kindergarten, which saw hogweed only in pictures! These are the ones that end up in the hospital with burns!
          1. Seal
            Seal 21 December 2022 10: 13
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            If a person begins to be rude, this is already a sign that he is wrong. But his ambition does not allow him to admit it.
            If there is a game, then here it is:
            Quote: Yngvar
            Hogweed is a vile plant, a weed that destroys all plants around, and it is almost impossible to destroy it itself ... By the way, it was imported from the USA, allegedly for breeding and feeding cattle ..

            Again.
            1. Sosnowski's hogweed has never grown in the USA. It is endemic to the Caucasus. This plant had a clearly defined area of ​​growth - between the Black and Caspian Seas at altitudes of 1500-2300 m and could not spread beyond it.
            2. In the USSR, there was a sufficient number of other types of cow parsnip, including those that could be used as food for people. These are Siberian and Mokhnaty hogweeds.

            Before you start banging on the keys, it would be nice for you to at least get a little familiar with the topic of hogweed in general and Sosnowski's hogweed in particular.
            1. Father of papa carlo
              Father of papa carlo 21 December 2022 13: 42
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              Why are you writing this to me? ) I know that it was not imported from the USA. You still confused the country, and this is Canada! laughing Didn't it exist before the USSR? ) Yes, there are many types of it. Come to Len. region and you will see what a real hogweed is !!! And in our country it was brought for livestock and no one planted it along the roads! Umbrellas themselves scatter with cars and wagons of Russian Railways. We are fighting with him, but so far they cannot win. hi I see him every day 2,5 meters in height for sure. . And you see, it's only in pictures. Have you ever tried its juice on your skin?
              1. Seal
                Seal 21 December 2022 16: 48
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                It's pointless to talk to you. Goodbye.
                1. Father of papa carlo
                  Father of papa carlo 21 December 2022 17: 02
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                  Here you have revealed the connoisseur! ) Come on! Health to relatives! drinks
  17. solar
    solar 19 December 2022 18: 02
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    Murza's opinion on RER Hogweed.
    The rules of the site do not allow him to quote without cuts, unfortunately.
    ... yelled now at night from the phrase of the next "experts" about the RER system "Borshchevik": "The complex can be installed on a car chassis, which makes it convenient to use it on the front line" ... (.....) ... Well It's really "black is white". Only a moron is not now obvious that portable systems are needed, portable, albeit not on one pack. In the zone where the operation of such a system will give at least some decent result, a parked truck with another unparalleled complex will be detected and destroyed by the enemy in a moment. (.......) comfortable....

    https://kenigtiger.livejournal.com/2200542.html
  18. Father of papa carlo
    Father of papa carlo 19 December 2022 18: 04
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    I am ready to donate excellent hogweed seeds to the NWO! If ours retreat, sow everything, the enemy will definitely not be able to sit there for a long time! wassat
  19. Krev
    Krev 19 December 2022 18: 38
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    Let them test. Practice will show the viability of this complex.
  20. amr
    amr 19 December 2022 20: 26
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    Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
    In PPE - yes, the profile is instrumental. But the whole point is that BORSHEVIK was bungled by Sestroretsk Arms Plant LLC, a private company engaged in a "broad profile" of scientific and survey work and projects. And judging by the application: at D = 10km in the 0-180 * sector and with an accuracy of 5-60m, they will still be able to find the Starlink "plate". And if “geography” (or rather, cartography!) is summed up under this, then it will be like 60 fingers on asphalt to “plow” a 60x2m square, or to dismantle a “separate building” into bricks.

    While they put money into the budget, while they hold a tender for the purchase, you look there, a new generation of Starlink will come out!
  21. Alexander Toroshchin
    Alexander Toroshchin 20 December 2022 11: 14
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    I’m the most important and advanced here, shouting the interface at the full speaker, no, I’m the mother of all of you, the motherboard argued. Well, bet, until I turned the switch, electricity sighed.
  22. Alexey Lantukh
    Alexey Lantukh 20 December 2022 21: 33
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    Just a test! And when is it in business?
  23. km-21
    km-21 21 December 2022 10: 45
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    The direction finding time for one point is no more than 15 minutes.

    If dill talks on the phone for hours, they will have time to detect. But with packet data exchange, the time of active operation of the ground station is a fraction of a second. That is, while Hogweed is trying to track Hymers, he will have time to get a flight mission, shoot back and leave. And, several times.
    1. Barberry25
      Barberry25 21 December 2022 12: 01
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      well, the Hymars, as it were, receive the coordinates of the target long before moving to the missile launch site
  24. Barberry25
    Barberry25 21 December 2022 12: 00
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    one question .. why did the developers announce the existence of such a complex at all .. well, seriously ... first get a profit, and then declare, otherwise the enemy will simply force you not to place communication systems closer than 15 km from the LBS and that’s all