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A bit of practical philosophy. Degradation

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A bit of practical philosophy. Degradation

“But the philosopher teaches us that this is so,

and it is so, and therefore it is so.”

Entry


Well, in general, I’m not a philosopher, and therefore, in fact, I’m not going to teach anyone, I just sometimes want to share my thoughts and, perhaps, even invite them to discuss (although now this process is unfashionable).

The reason to “take up the pen” again (although what kind of pens we have now, mainly the clatter of the keyboard) was the ongoing sluggish conversation in one of the “widely known in narrow circles” telegram chats. "Masters of Culture" smoothly flowed from the problems of modern cinema to the boiling point of the "current moment", but the trigger was the phrase of a famous writer:

“The level of stupidity among the people has become somehow transcendental.”

I’ll make a reservation right away, I in no way consider myself an “old analyst” and do not presume to claim that what was announced in this article is some kind of “discovery of the truth”. I am just a person who was once taught to think systematically and who, in this regard, first of all, is looking for logic and meaning in any event or action.

And recently (although not so last) I began to catch myself thinking that this very “inner meaning” of events and human actions began to elude me. But just because you don't see a sniper doesn't mean he's not there. If a person begins to behave like a conditional "lemming", then, most likely, something pushes him to such suicidal behavior.

And yes, I don’t believe in “conspiracy theory”, “world government” and the like, a paranoid view of reality, of course, it is not devoid of a certain logic, but is based on an initially incorrect premise and, as “good old Ockham” teaches us, the simplest explanation is usually the best one. Another issue is that it is often difficult to see this “simplicity”.

So, what is really happening with the world and with us, those who deservedly (or not so much) bear the title of “kings of nature” and “reasonable people” - such that it just makes us strongly doubt the second part of the name of our biological species . What is the source of that simple fact that rapidly (during the life of just one generation) the very “level of stupidity” has increased so much that even a banal victory / loss in a football match resembles a local Armageddon ...

Not to mention some more serious disagreements. Moreover, this situation does not apply to any particular country, the level of stupidity, of course, fluctuates, but the “average for the hospital” demonstrates the similarity of reactions, regardless of the territory, stimuli can change, but the “hysterical” reaction to them is almost everywhere. It's like comparing the reactions of, for example, conventionally taken "liberals" with conventionally taken "patriots" - cut off the identification ribbons and do not distinguish one party from another.

Usually in such cases they blame the “generation conflict”, but now it is not even possible to single out any group by age. An infantile, hysterical reaction is shown by people belonging to any age group ...

In general, I will probably cut off the preamble, because behind these trees we will again lose the forest.

The trap of mass reformatting of consciousness


I'll go to the main one. With the advent and mass distribution of PCs and computer networks (a conditional border somewhere at the turn of the century), humanity fell into the trap of mass reformatting of consciousness.

What is it expressed in and what has led and can lead?

On the one hand, the information flow has sharply increased, and on the other hand, the information flow has sharply become simpler.

Man is such an interesting animal, he easily adapts to anything, but these very adaptive mechanisms lead to the fact that in a very short time our body “optimizes” itself. We do not need, say, in zero gravity a “skeleton” or a “muscular corset”, and in just a few weeks it will be “dissolved”.

But our mind, consciousness operates in exactly the same way. And now the reality of social networks and Google formats our consciousness for itself. This is not a conspiracy of machines at all, not a terrible skynet and not a world government - we ourselves and adaptation mechanisms are rapidly changing our consciousness and perception of reality.

How?

1. A person is not born as a person (whatever the most liberal public would say about this), at birth a person is a kind of “tabula rasa”, on which everyone writes and is not lazy: nature, society, parents, school ... And in after all, the man himself (if he learns to write). And whatever one may say, before the creation of a “new computer reality” in order to “learn how to write”, a person had to put in a lot of effort.

We actually remember and perceive basically only what required these efforts from us, as in sports, the result is achieved only by “repeated training”. The search for information, its receipt and perception required effort, and, as a result, it trained the brain, brought it into a certain system and framework.

Whether voluntarily or not, our perception became "systemic". It's like the same repeatedly cursed "classical system of education", forcing and "driving into the framework", it eventually formed a broader and more sophisticated way of thinking. As in the same cinema, the limited visual palette increased both the acting game and the work of the director...

And suddenly... (according to civilizational standards, almost instantly) a tool appeared that made receiving information and exchanging it almost instantaneous and cost-free.

And humanity gladly fell for this "free cheese".

2. What is wrong with this - the opponent will reasonably notice. “Life has become easier, life has become more fun!” Yes, but simplification leads to degradation. I think that teachers can certainly speak out here, how much the ability of students to concentrate, perceive and remember has now fallen (and why, you can “google”).

The trend towards degradation


Professor Geert Lovink:

“Not only do many young people suffer from distorted self-esteem and psychological disorders, at the same time, some critical functions of our brain are even worse. Short-term memory is deteriorating, and our attention is becoming more fragmented and very narrowly focused.”

This, unfortunately, concerns not only young people, the difference in the degradation of consciousness differs mainly only in the “base effect” - and since the general level decreases, everything passes “softly and imperceptibly”, like for that frog. Despite the fact that we almost happily pick up this trend for general degradation. Referring to the well-known "vox populi" and commercial necessity, we write, shoot, teach everything more primitive and "less stressful", replacing logic with emotion, fantasy with description, attention and the need to think about it with a kaleidoscope of special effects.

“You can’t strain the baby, the baby needs to be interested, let’s turn study into a game ...”

We ourselves are rapidly weaning ourselves from "straining" - and degrading as a reasonable species.

The saddest thing is that this process, which arose as a result, is quite convenient and beneficial for both those in power and the “captains of the economy,” so one can not hope that someone will consciously and systematically fight this. After all, “homo emotion” is much easier to manage than “homo ratio”. He is the perfect customer...

Don't know. I'll probably break off with this. For, building this logical chain to the end, you come to too sad conclusions. The world that we once imagined only in fantasy novels is becoming very real. Despite the fact that not some "reptilians", but we ourselves will share with pleasure on "kzhi and ji".

Therefore, I will probably ask you, my friends, to try or refute my constructions, or suggest a possible way out of this "civilizational impasse". For, judging by the rate of growth of degradation, the replacement of “homo ratio” with “homo emotion”, we have very little time left to decide. Arrow of Ahriman in action.
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  1. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 21 December 2022 05: 18
    +16
    And I increasingly notice
    It's like someone changed me.
    I don't dream about the seas
    TV has replaced nature for me.
    What happened yesterday, it's time for me to forget
    From tomorrow, from tomorrow!
    No neighbors or friends. Nobody
    Do not recognize me! Don't recognize me... crying
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 21 December 2022 05: 25
      +9
      the degradation of all mankind is no longer just noticeable, it is already striking.
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 21 December 2022 05: 35
        +4
        Quote: Grandfather is caste
        she's already in the eye.
        This is especially noticeable on those in power! They are more visible than ordinary people...
        1. Civil
          Civil 21 December 2022 07: 26
          +12
          While we were afraid that the Internet would spoil our children, the TV spoiled our parents.
        2. Alien From
          Alien From 25 December 2022 08: 48
          0
          Uncle Lee! Man is a wolf to man, so it was and so it will be. Tales about society without food in a herd of sheep can be forgotten. Twice "KU" and yellow pants, such a limit to humanity.
          1. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 25 December 2022 09: 25
            +2
            Quote: Alien From
            Man is a wolf to man, so it was and so it will be.

            But it was: "Man is man's friend, comrade and brother"! It was .... Alas.
            1. Alien From
              Alien From 25 December 2022 10: 16
              +1
              "But it was:" Man is man's friend, comrade and brother! ""
              It was, of course it was! good
              1. Uncle lee
                Uncle lee 25 December 2022 12: 17
                +2
                Quote: Alien From
                It was, of course it was!

                And let's hope there will be more! yes
      2. filibuster
        filibuster 21 December 2022 10: 54
        -4
        Well, maybe you judge by yourself and your surroundings. And so this is all according to the "classics" youth is no longer the same, but in our time ......
        1. Plate
          Plate 21 December 2022 22: 42
          0
          Our youth is corrupted to the core, it will never be like the youth of the past. The younger generation of today will not be able to preserve our culture.
  2. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 21 December 2022 05: 34
    -3
    In short... simplifying the author's thought, I will say... in order for a person to develop in an evolutionary way, it is necessary to put him on the brink of survival... in extreme conditions... then his body begins to undergo mutation and transformation.
    Again, everything depends on the environment... but it's all about matter... biology.
    But the human mind, it also mutates like a biological organism?
    And where are the limits of this evolution?
  3. Derbes19
    Derbes19 21 December 2022 05: 41
    -4
    The eternal grumbling of the older generation for new times and for the younger generation. Young people are neither worse nor better than us, and even less stupid. You can turn to the classics: “You are not the heroes!”, “That’s what you are all proud of, you would have studied like the fathers did,” and so on. The answer is simple - new ones come in times to which we (the older generation) do not adapt well. It has always been so.
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  4. krops777
    krops777 21 December 2022 05: 47
    +2
    The saddest thing is that this process, which arose as a result, is quite convenient and beneficial for both those in power and the “captains of the economy,” so one can not hope that someone will consciously and systematically fight this.


    But what about world government? You don't believe in him? This trend is global, with the exception of some countries. Isn't there an electronic world concentration camp? Who is dragging and coordinating all this, if not a bunch of ideologically connected people or nonhumans.
    1. populist
      populist 21 December 2022 11: 31
      +3
      Quote: krops777
      But what about world government? You don't believe in him? This trend is global, with the exception of some countries. Isn't there an electronic world concentration camp? Who is dragging and coordinating all this, if not a bunch of ideologically connected people or nonhumans.

      These are the main factors missed by the author.
      The author sees the result and sounds the alarm, like many others. But he does not see the driving forces at all, he sees the means of influence poorly and does not know the purpose of the process. And this is an electronic concentration camp.
      Of course, there are understanding people, but they are few, they are divided and they are not allowed to organize themselves.
      1. alekseykabanets
        alekseykabanets 21 December 2022 12: 30
        +1
        Quote: populist
        But he does not see the driving forces at all, he sees the means of influence poorly and does not know the purpose of the process. And this is an electronic concentration camp.

        Marx wrote about these driving forces.)))
  5. parusnik
    parusnik 21 December 2022 06: 26
    +5
    So what is really happening with the world and with us
    Cartoon, "Bear" remember? The plot is how the boar, the fox and the hare found the magic box? And how did it end? This is exactly what is happening and will happen.
  6. samarin1969
    samarin1969 21 December 2022 06: 33
    +12
    But who will argue with the author's "taoist curve". Degradation and simplification have become the main trend in the "development of society." In the course of my work, I face this problem every day. And we are talking about the primitiveness of two generations. The third one is born.
    Self-organized, self-developing people now look like a kind of "Jedi" among the generations of "OK-Google".
    1. Derbes19
      Derbes19 21 December 2022 09: 09
      -1
      This is because the future belongs to Ok Google. Both society as a whole and each person individually strive for those things that facilitate and simplify their existence. Its name is progress. Do you have a car? If so, why do you need it if you can walk any distance on foot or ride a horse? As for the duty of service, then most likely your company just needs to revise its pay policy so that competent, broad-minded young specialists appear
      1. samarin1969
        samarin1969 21 December 2022 11: 43
        +2
        Quote from: Derbes19
        This is because the future belongs to Ok Google. Both society as a whole and each person individually strive for those things that facilitate and simplify their existence. Its name is progress. Do you have a car? If so, why do you need it if you can walk any distance on foot or ride a horse? As for the duty of service, then most likely your company just needs to revise its pay policy so that competent, broad-minded young specialists appear


        Funny comment. laughing
        For the educational orthodox, search engines are one of thousands of APPLIED skills. With their development, no one has problems. For the rest, who do not have basic knowledge, it is a painful experience of stupid mistakes.

        About "my company" and "remuneration policy" amused. Mr. Kravtsov S.S. must be sent. wassat
        1. Derbes19
          Derbes19 21 December 2022 14: 11
          0
          Forward. We have a lot of literate and out-of-the-box thinking young people in our company. When applying for a job, candidates pass exams not only for basic knowledge but also for ingenuity. At least once a year, employees are sent to retraining centers. Those who can't do it are weeded out. Mr. Kravtsov S.S. is it the same way?
          1. samarin1969
            samarin1969 21 December 2022 17: 27
            +1
            Quote from: Derbes19
            Forward. We have a lot of literate and out-of-the-box thinking young people in our company. When applying for a job, candidates pass exams not only for basic knowledge but also for ingenuity. At least once a year, employees are sent to retraining centers. Those who can't do it are weeded out. Mr. Kravtsov S.S. is it the same way?

            In our "eparchy", every day there is creative creative work, re-certification every 2-3 years, 2-3 advanced training courses per year, an unreasonable number of trainings and "skill demonstrations". The quality of our work is monitored by a dozen "useful structures".
            Who survives, he works.
            1. Derbes19
              Derbes19 21 December 2022 19: 05
              -1
              So Mr. Kravtsov S.S. Responsible leader and set up the work process correctly. The general direction is correct, but everyone has kinks. We are not perfect either.
        2. Taoist
          21 December 2022 21: 41
          +2
          By the way, yes, I constantly come across a situation that they can no longer even search for information in a search engine ... For they can no longer formulate any clear search query. "In order to get the right answers, you must first ask the right questions."
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 21 December 2022 06: 38
    +8
    “You can’t strain the baby, the baby needs to be interested, let’s turn study into a game ...”
    As a result, the "baby" cannot count in the mind from the word at all. Adding, subtracting, and even more so multiplying two or three digit numbers without a calculator (computer) is a big problem. Reading books - why bother reading and straining what is no longer straining when, if necessary, you can look into the wiki, etc. Even in such elementary things, partial degradation is already visible, which begins to progress with growing up. I am not talking about forbidding the use of the fruits of science and technology, but that a child from early childhood must be taught to think, analyze and make decisions independently, and use technical means only as an assistant, and not as the main means.
    1. User_neydobniu
      User_neydobniu 21 December 2022 06: 48
      -2
      As a result, the "baby" cannot count in the mind from the word at all. Adding, subtracting, and even more so multiplying two or three digit numbers without a calculator (computer) is a big problem.

      Do you know how to make stone tools and work with them? Do you know how to properly plow and sow the fields, when and how to properly harvest? Do you know how to hunt with improvised means?
      But your ancestors knew all this in the century before electricity and mass globalization ....
      degradation on the face

      But I don’t think that you, like some “degraded kids”, will be able to write an assembler driver for a modern piece of hardware without which the latter will not work ...
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 21 December 2022 07: 14
        +6
        As I understand it, you think that with the availability of technical means there is no need to "train" your brains and memory when you can just turn on the computer?
        you can write an assembler driver for a modern piece of hardware without which the latter will not work ...
        And before the "modern kids" who created the computer, wrote the first programs for it? Aren't those who knew how to count in their minds, actively read books and thought with their own heads?
        1. User_neydobniu
          User_neydobniu 21 December 2022 07: 20
          -1
          As I understand it, you think that with the availability of technical means there is no need to "train" your brains and memory when you can just turn on the computer?

          Do you consider it necessary to master the skills of producing the simplest stone tools, and successfully working with them, thereby "training" the brain and body?

          And before the "modern kids" who created the computer, wrote the first programs for it? Aren't those who knew how to count in their minds, actively read books and thought with their own heads?

          And who gave life to these people that created computers, weren't those who mastered the manufacture of primitive tools and work with them?

          If something can be done by a more efficient and less labor-intensive method, it will do it. And ignoring such methods, abandoning them and using outdated options, leads just to degradation.

          PS In general, such disputes look like the protests of teachers of the 60s, when fountain pens gave way to ballpoint pens ... Children must be taught to use fountain pens, otherwise the handwriting will be spoiled and the generation will generally degrade
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 21 December 2022 10: 26
            +1
            Quote from: User_neydobniu

            PS In general, such disputes look like the protests of teachers of the 60s, when fountain pens gave way to ballpoint pens ...

            Even earlier, in the XNUMXth century, when teachers complained that students were ruined by paper: take away paper from them - and what will they do, because as before, on slate boards, they have completely forgotten how to write.
        2. Derbes19
          Derbes19 21 December 2022 09: 22
          +2
          If a person turns on a computer just to watch pictures or a movie, then yes there is a need.
      2. Derbes19
        Derbes19 21 December 2022 09: 12
        -1
        I subscribe to your every word! It is not the youth that is degrading, but we are lagging behind life, including the youth.
        1. Hypertension
          Hypertension 21 December 2022 11: 33
          +2
          Quote from: Derbes19
          This is nor youth is degrading, and we are lagging behind life (where is the comma?) and (one more comma where?), including from the youth.

          And you can't argue ... From the spelling "you" are also lagging behind.
          I usually do not find fault with mistakes, but in an article about degradation I would like to see a competent presentation of thoughts. Moreover, you undertake to discuss this painful topic, while simultaneously demonstrating illiteracy.
          1. Derbes19
            Derbes19 21 December 2022 14: 14
            0
            You do not consider the option that I am not a citizen of the Russian Federation?
            1. Hypertension
              Hypertension 21 December 2022 15: 58
              0
              Quote from: Derbes19
              You do not consider the option that I am not a citizen of the Russian Federation?

              No. You did not point out this fact. And by your name, I concluded that you are still a Russian.
              1. Derbes19
                Derbes19 21 December 2022 19: 14
                +2
                No, I'm not Russian and never have been. But since I am Russian by nationality and a sufficient number of people close to me live in Russia, I feel complicity in the events taking place in your country. And yes, after reading your comment, I turned off "corrections" on the phone.)
                1. Hypertension
                  Hypertension 21 December 2022 19: 37
                  +1
                  That's it... The situation cleared up. All the best to you hi
      3. alekseykabanets
        alekseykabanets 21 December 2022 13: 02
        +3
        Quote from: User_neydobniu
        But I don’t think that you, like some “degraded kids”, will be able to write an assembler driver for a modern piece of hardware without which the latter will not work ...

        Assembler and kids? Well, you turned it down, they should use Bootstrap more.))) But seriously, there is not and will not be any serious specialist without a classical education. And it is absolutely not important how and when he received it, in person, in absentia or in the process of self-education. Abstract thinking begins with oral counting. There is no abstract thinking - no outline, etc. Well, if it's about IT, then how to create a simple database for some kind of electronic store without abstract thinking? How to identify all these entities, determine the links between them?
      4. Akuzenka
        Akuzenka 21 December 2022 14: 37
        +1
        Do you know how to make stone tools and work with them? Do you know how to properly plow and sow the fields, when and how to properly harvest? Do you know how to hunt with improvised means?
        I know how to help out before, when I was a field worker. And sow a clearing in the taiga and put snares on hares and partridges.
        But I don’t think that you, like some “degraded kids”, will be able to write an assembler driver for a modern piece of hardware without which the latter will not work ...
        I can also use Pascal and BASIC, not to mention the old foxpro. Geophysicist by profession. He worked for them. And programs were written on them to build maps of anomalies. Funny, really! But I didn’t imagine anything special, neither then, nor now. I was and still am a strong middle peasant. Only the more years pass, the fewer those who can surprise me with their knowledge and skills.
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 21 December 2022 10: 22
      0
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Adding, subtracting, and even more so multiplying two or three digit numbers without a calculator (computer) is a big problem.

      What for? This is not necessary for the future consumer. And then he will begin, say, to recalculate the cost of goods in the store and ask seditious questions - why the goods in the package have become smaller, and the price has increased, or why the discount has increased the cost of the goods. smile
      And generally speaking: Thoughts give rise to heresy. Heresy breeds retribution. ©
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Reading books - why bother reading and straining what is no longer straining when, if necessary, you can look into the wiki

      Yep... into a freshly edited article. smile
      1. Nastia makarova
        Nastia makarova 21 December 2022 12: 11
        +1
        why count the goods there, how much less or more, either buy or not
      2. alekseykabanets
        alekseykabanets 21 December 2022 12: 40
        +1
        Quote: Alexey RA
        What for? This is not necessary for the future consumer. And then he will begin, say, to recalculate the cost of goods in the store and ask seditious questions - why the goods in the package have become smaller, and the price has increased, or why the discount has increased the cost of the goods. smile
        And in general: Thinking breeds heresy. Heresy breeds retribution. ©

        That's the whole principle of modern education in this! My children are probably the only ones in the class who can count the change in the store. This is not due to school, but due to arithmetic Pchelko Polyak 1955
      3. Plate
        Plate 21 December 2022 22: 51
        +1
        Quote: Alexey RA
        What for? This is not necessary for the future consumer. And then he will begin, say, to recalculate the cost of goods in the store and ask seditious questions - why the goods in the package have become smaller, and the price has increased, or why the discount has increased the cost of the goods.

        So this is all and with the help of a calculator it is easy to calculate. Only a calculator will give you thousandths of a penny, so you will notice any deception.
  8. User_neydobniu
    User_neydobniu 21 December 2022 06: 43
    +1
    I wonder when the books were invented the same were screams? So before, information had to be collected all over the world, but now I took a book and everything is in full view, oh, society is degrading ....
    The saddest thing is that this process, which arose as a result, is quite convenient and beneficial for both those in power and the “captains of the economy”

    Those in power and the “captains of the economy”, the population does not need access to information (it’s not for nothing that you won’t find something of advanced value on the network in the public domain, only for money), but the complete rejection of information is just for the capital of the economy and is beneficial. And you can control the crowd from TV screens, you don’t need a network for this
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 21 December 2022 09: 22
      +1
      I wonder when the books were invented the same were screams?
      "The book killed knowledge" (attributed to V. Hugo)
  9. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 21 December 2022 08: 52
    +2
    And suddenly... (according to civilizational standards, almost instantly) a tool appeared that made receiving information and exchanging it almost instantaneous and cost-free.
    And what's wrong with that?! I can download many books (primarily audiobooks) instantly and for free. Moreover, I learned about many from the Internet - I'm talking about the classics. Before, I was limited to the bookstore and the local library. So everyone decides whether to develop or degrade, and progress should not be slowed down, this process is irreversible.
  10. Maks1995
    Maks1995 21 December 2022 09: 43
    +1
    This has already been discussed.
    Stupid and zombified people are easier to manage, and easier to lead the formation.

    Hence the prohibition of dissent, and the persecution of information about indestructible corrupt officials and "family friends"
    As they wrote, proteges and relatives of financiers sit at the top of education. Remember: "we need a consumer"

    Again, remember, quite recently: Salo and vodka ran out there, black earth was sold, Zelensky ran away as a billionaire, Poroshenko will be sued, and Poroshenko helped shoot down the plane by phone ...

    So this is a conscious trend from the authorities with different sub-options. From advertising bullshit drugs and informational noise - who said what, to direct incorrect information.
    Especially cherry: EVERYTHING is possible with your own. From engaging criminals in illegal under the Criminal Code of PMCs to posting Nazi symbols on websites (you just have to paint it yellow-blue and write something ...)
  11. Silhouette
    Silhouette 21 December 2022 09: 52
    0
    I don’t believe in “conspiracy theory”, “world government” and the like, a paranoid view of reality, of course, it is not devoid of a certain logic, but is based on an initially incorrect premise and, as “good old Ockham” teaches us, the simplest explanation is usually the correct one.

    So where is the explanation?
    Arrow of Ahriman....kzhi and ji...reptilians..... What is this about? Maybe you should see a doctor? The new computer reality has swallowed consciousness.
    1. Martin
      Martin 21 December 2022 16: 21
      +1
      Quote: Silhouette
      Arrow of Ahriman....kzhi and ji...reptilians..... What is this about?
      Comrade is not delirious. And the fact that you do not know elementary things speaks of the level of education. And even "google" laziness.
      1. Silhouette
        Silhouette 21 December 2022 21: 41
        +1
        Another ignoramus of the same tribe....Corporate solidarity of emptiness.... In which educational institution do they study reptilians, Ahriman's arrow, kzhi, ji and other nonsense? You and others like you basically do not understand the meaning of the word "education". As well as the fact that practical philosophy does not exist and cannot exist. Philosophers are unfinished.
        1. Taoist
          21 December 2022 22: 35
          0
          Those. you also did not teach theory and are not aware that philosophy as a method of knowledge is quite a practical thing. And for example, the same "Dialectical materialism is a philosophical direction based on materialism and a materialistic understanding of Hegel's dialectics. The main ideas of this direction are: the primacy of the material (objective world) and the secondary nature of the ideal (subjective, conceivable); all-round connection and constant movement of various systems based on internal mechanisms of movement and development - the constant overcoming of inevitable contradictions. (with)
          1. Silhouette
            Silhouette 22 December 2022 09: 29
            0
            Quote: Taoist
            method of cognition is quite a practical thing

            Dialectical materialism as an example of a practical thing is strong! Then I will give an example of a practical thing: a toothbrush, a toilet brush, well, or a file. Solid Diamat and Practical Philosophy.
            The generation of the world of elves and unicorns got tired of their ignorance and ambition.
          2. populist
            populist 22 December 2022 10: 07
            0
            Quote: Taoist
            "Dialectical materialism is a philosophical trend based on materialism and the materialist understanding of Hegel's dialectics.

            Materialism, yes.
            But about the dialectics, which is on Hegel.
            This is a separate funny topic. I am a simple person, but it was interesting for me to figure it out and I tried to do it periodically. Diamat's textbook for VPSh I have read several times throughout my life. Gradually, the fog cleared and everything became clear.
            I recently spoke with a supporter of dialectics. My argument was undeniable. I suggested finding a textbook on dialectics. The opponent is right behind the cell phone. Searched. There is no such textbook.
            Is that how it is? Such incredibly wonderful science, but there is no textbook? There are plenty of textbooks on various other logics, but none on dialectics. Yes, it's not science at all.
            There are other arguments as well. hi
            1. Taoist
              22 December 2022 20: 31
              0
              Well, "dialectic" is still not a science... (that's why there are no textbooks) It's a method.
              If we take the classical definition "Dialectics (ancient Greek διαλεκτική "the art of arguing, reasoning" from διά "through; separately" + λέγω "I speak, I expound") - a method of argumentation in philosophy, as well as a form and method of reflective theoretical thinking, investigating the contradictions found in the conceivable content of this thinking. (with)
              I'm here just about the "methodical knowledge" in general, I'm trying to reason. Those. about the search for the relationship of things and events.
              "dialectic is opposed to metaphysics as a way of thinking that considers things and phenomena as unchanging and independent of each other" (c)
              1. populist
                populist 23 December 2022 00: 41
                0
                "Materialist dialectics as a scientific system includes..."
                "Diamat" VPSh Publishing house "Thought" 1977 p105 last paragraph.
                And more from there.
                "Lenin comprehensively revealed the rich and multifaceted content of dialectics."
                page 104 3 paragraph
                So, still declared science.
                But it is neither a science, nor a method, or anything else. Try to take this textbook (Dialectical Materialism for High School Education) and work through it critically. It will be just incredible fun. When I take it in my hands, as now, I always stumble upon simply amazing pearls.
        2. populist
          populist 22 December 2022 09: 48
          0
          Quote: Silhouette
          As well as the fact that practical philosophy does not exist and cannot exist. Philosophers are unfinished.

          How does it not happen?
          What about pragmatism, instrumentalism, the same Nietzsche?
          And there will probably be others.
          1. Silhouette
            Silhouette 22 December 2022 11: 04
            -1
            Practicality, pragmatism and so on have nothing to do with philosophy. These newfangled trends are outdated and died in the last century.
            Philosophy - (Greek philosophia, literally - love of wisdom, from phileo - I love and sophia - wisdom), a system of views on the world (worldview) and on a person’s place in it.
            The belief system is just that. Views are not practice, but reasoning, thoughts, beliefs, mistakes, etc. In general, an outlook on everything. What is the practice here?
            Philosophy is a separate cultural phenomenon that is on a par with science, religion and art, but is by no means a part of them. At all times, philosophy was a mirror of culture and tried to get closer to the truth. But practice is a completely different area of ​​being.
            1. populist
              populist 23 December 2022 10: 01
              0
              Quote: Silhouette
              Philosophy - (Greek philosophia, literally - love of wisdom, from phileo - I love and sophia - wisdom)

              In, let's philosophize (let's philosophize) wink
              As Comrade Saakhov said, "The Caucasus is an all-Union forge, and a health resort, and a granary." Philosophy is both a worldview, a practice, and an image of the future. And not just worldview.
              1. Silhouette
                Silhouette 23 December 2022 18: 52
                -1
                When philosophy is tried to be put into practice, fascism and genocide are obtained. The most harmless were the utopians. The most famous was Lenin.
  12. Silhouette
    Silhouette 21 December 2022 10: 00
    -1
    Quote: Silhouette
    this process

    Quote: Silhouette
    I don’t believe in “conspiracy theory”, “world government” and the like, a paranoid view of reality, of course, it is not devoid of a certain logic, but is based on an initially incorrect premise and, as “good old Ockham” teaches us, the simplest explanation is usually the correct one.

    So where is the explanation?
    Arrow of Ahriman....kzhi and ji...reptilians..... What is this about? Maybe you should see a doctor? The new computer reality has swallowed consciousness.
  13. setter
    setter 21 December 2022 10: 42
    +3
    Arrow of Ahriman in action.

    I would put this sentence in the epigraph!
    After all, according to Efremov, the “arrow of Ahriman” is the tendency of the infernal society, controlled by corrupt, incompetent authorities, to degrade, as a result of which any action, even at first glance positive, causes a negative result.
    Accordingly, for such a society, the problems of transition from one stage of the development of civilization, the "chimney economy", to the next - the information one, can be simply unpredictable.
    In the information society, information becomes a more important component than land, labor, capital, raw materials, and mass production is replaced by a new system, which is based not on manual labor, but on mental labor based on information and "super technologies", so to speak.
    Accordingly, informatization, a sociotechnical and sociocultural process, is inevitable, just as the changes in the noosphere caused by it are inevitable due to significant changes in the spiritual life of society, thinking, and lifestyle. A new "habitat" appears - the infosphere. The "human - human" system is replaced by the "human - computer - human" system. The reverse side of this process is social isolation, a gap in understanding between people.
    With proper development of culture and education, the influence of these factors can be minimized.
    But in the absence of the necessary attention to the latter, and even more so, with their systematic use for selfish purposes, which is typical for an infernal society, the consequences can be simply catastrophic ..
    1. Taoist
      21 December 2022 21: 54
      +2
      Here I am about the same. Unfortunately, even by the "bookmarks" and "quotes" many did not recognize ... in the end, they read far from what I wrote about ...
      1. setter
        setter 21 December 2022 23: 03
        0
        Did you expect that the article would be understood and appreciated by the "broad masses" of the local audience? Yes, you are an optimist, moreover, in n-degrees.
        1. Taoist
          21 December 2022 23: 38
          +2
          No, I didn't really count on the rating. But I still hoped that direct quotes + the presence of the same Google would at least somehow facilitate understanding.
          1. Silhouette
            Silhouette 22 December 2022 11: 09
            -1
            Quote: Taoist
            But I still hoped that direct quotes + the presence of the same Google would at least somehow facilitate understanding

            Rely on Google, but don't make a mistake yourself. Relying on Google when writing an article is the first sign of unprofessionalism and superficiality. Your article is not even a compilation, but a miserable primitivism of an infantile consciousness, not burdened with deep knowledge of the issue under consideration.
          2. Martin
            Martin 22 December 2022 17: 52
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            Quote: Taoist
            But I still hoped that direct quotes + the presence of the same Google would at least somehow facilitate understanding.
            We hoped in vain. To get a direct quote, you need to read a lot. Well, Efremov, many people don’t even know such a writer, but they don’t understand about the “frog” ... They would also ask “in which educational institution” they study Kolobok.
      2. Martin
        Martin 22 December 2022 17: 54
        +1
        Quote: Taoist
        in the end, they read far from what I wrote about ...

        Well, a philosophical article is such a thing ... “Not only everything ...” ©
  14. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 21 December 2022 12: 25
    +3
    a tool appeared that made receiving and sharing information almost instantaneous and cost-free.
    The author thinks in the right direction, but about the systematic nature of his thinking, he flatters himself greatly. Getting information is much easier. It doesn't matter at all. Not digging there, not digging out)
    The issue is not information at all. The issue is processing. Old analysts), well, those guys, their 70s, who knew how to think, were brought out a long time ago - a person does not want to know everything. It's unrealistic and too hard. Man wants to UNDERSTAND everything. See the difference? Difficulties arise not with information, a lot of it or a little. Problems with the conclusions that are made on its basis.
    Got information? Now tense up, use your thinking and draw a conclusion. Here is the problem. No one likes to strain, except for individual mutants. So the author is no exception, instead of thinking, he used what most people use now. Findings. A person does not compare information himself and uses his own conclusions, he takes strangers provided to him by the network.
    Computer scientists call information indiscriminately everything that falls into the processor. So the author, without understanding, drove the same thing.
    In general, people just simply lost the habit of thinking. And it's a disaster. Not related to the amount of information as such. Thinking is very difficult. When everyone tried, about one person in a thousand could gather one coherent thought a day. And if everyone is trying, then those who can think for the real stand out from everyone, and therefore move humanity forward. And now this process has actually risen! There are no those who think! The only ones left are those who drag the old thoughts of others out of the net. And it's a disaster, right...
    1. Martin
      Martin 21 December 2022 16: 39
      +1
      Quote: Mikhail3
      In general, people just simply lost the habit of thinking.
      And new generation nuclear reactors, "hypersound" and quantum computers are developing reptilians on Martianism?
      Aby said: "MANY people have lost the habit of thinking." But not all.
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 21 December 2022 16: 58
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        Nuclear reactors of a new generation were developed in the 70s of the last century by Soviet physicists) As were the materials and hydraulics of hypersound. And those people who make them now are also developed and educated in the 70s of that century. They are already very old as a rule. And there are still a certain number of last ones left) Well, like Musk, who became Musk because he studied not in the already very early US school, but in the textbooks of those same Soviet physicists. What is not at all ashamed to admit)
        But quantum computers... I sympathize with you. Truth. You see, quantum "physics" does not exist. There are quantum scammers) Funny guys, I admit. But only. Quantum computers are about to work) They already work ... about half the time. And in the second half of the cases they do not work. Therefore, a little more billions of dollars are needed for programs that will give results! Here they will! Almost tonight! Yes, right now! Sign up for payment...
        Don't get fooled. Quantum computers, like quantum physics, are completely and completely a hoax) So you illustrated my quite trivial conclusions. You have read in the network of other people's conclusions, and, without working with your own mind (because it is hard), you accepted them as your own. And these conclusions are nonsense. That's how it works...
        1. Martin
          Martin 21 December 2022 18: 56
          0
          Quote: Mikhail3
          Quantum computers, like quantum physics, are completely and completely a hoax)
          Yes, physics is a complete lie. And the earth is flat.
          But seriously.
          I do not know the specific situation with "quantum computers", it is beyond my competence. I cited this “stamp” as an analogue of the expression “modern technological developments”. Like hypersonic.
          But here's what I know for sure ... I work in a development company. Which works not in the 70s, but right now. Yes, I studied at a Soviet school in those very 70s. But. We have a lot of 30-year-old lead engineers. And they are earning their wages.
          So, if you live in a world where "people have lost the habit of thinking," then I sympathize with you. There are really a lot of unaccustomed thinkers. But far from "all".
          1. Taoist
            21 December 2022 22: 02
            +1
            Of course, not everyone has "lost the habit of thinking", but if we take the work of an engineer ... Here is an example in the other direction. Designing, for example, an engine suspension unit ... Previously, this was load calculation, drawing, design of the unit, selection of materials, work of a strength engineer and a technologist. Now in 90% of cases this is "sticking" a finished node from the "library" of elements. Faster? Yes. Cheaper? Yes... How will it work? Yes, as it will be ... But the engineer is no longer there.
            Yes, in 10% of cases (if the task / customer requires it) using the same programs and libraries, but the node will be designed as expected - with a miscalculation and verification of these miscalculations ... But the percentage then decreases and this is noticeable ...
            1. Derbes19
              Derbes19 22 December 2022 07: 16
              +1
              How is it not an engineer? There is an engineer. He develops a node that someone then "sticks".
              1. Silhouette
                Silhouette 22 December 2022 09: 37
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                Quote: Taoist
                Now in 90% of cases this is "sticking" a finished node from the "library" of elements.

                This "Taoist" does not understand the meaning of the words he uses at all. Including the "engineer". He can read and write, but he can't understand. He has this whole article "sticking" a finished node from the "library".
                A good example of the degradation of the level of materials on this site.
            2. Martin
              Martin 22 December 2022 17: 39
              +1
              Quote: Taoist
              Previously, this was the calculation of loads, a drawing, the design of an assembly, the selection of materials, the work of a strength engineer and a technologist. Now in 90% of cases this is "sticking" a finished node from the "library" of elements.

              Believe it or not, almost nothing has changed compared to "before". And before, not all nodes were developed from scratch, but a prototype was taken as a basis. And before, they tried to reduce development time by increasing the number of standardized nodes. Entire volumes of design reference books were published, where the previously invented was cataloged and presented for further use.
              Any experienced engineer will tell you that he received the award for the timely work performed and the subsequent reliability of the mechanism, and not for the obligatory presence of brilliant ideas. Actually, everything that you called “libraries” was used, only they were on paper. During the development process, there were also inventions that were formalized separately, but they were never an end in themselves.
              Especially standardization was important when setting up for mass production.
              What has changed now are development tools. From drawing paper, compass and slide rule to 3D CAD-CAM systems with built-in strength, temperature and fatigue calculations. And a visual representation of the results of these calculations. Which greatly reduces the time of routine work. Yes, it's faster and cheaper. The presence of standardized electronic libraries is just a blessing when every Gost screw does not need to be drawn on paper. Automated translation from 3D modeling directly to drawings and specifications according to ESKD standards also significantly reduces the time and number of technical girls performing detailing.
              And no one has ever canceled technologists.

              By the way, about the "stone axes". Even when calculators appeared, few people knew how to extract the square root on a piece of paper. But a good engineer (regardless of age) is good because when the room is de-energized, he will not stop engineering activities. Take whatman paper, pencil and compasses. What he does not know how, ask the elders.
          2. Mikhail3
            Mikhail3 22 December 2022 11: 29
            -1
            Quote: Martyn
            I cited this “stamp” as an analogue of the expression “modern technological developments”.

            What convincingly proves - you do not think. Alas. Are you a software developer?) Then it's understandable. First of all, you are not interested in reality, so you gave a stamp as a working example. Real or not, it doesn't matter to you. You do not live in reality, you are somewhere else, like most computer people.
            I'm sorry, but the virtual opinions of virtual people don't matter. You don't have any way at the moment to understand what's going on around you, so you've thrown in quantum computers, reptilians and other non-existent nonsense) This is not an argument, since there is nothing real in it, but you don't care, right?)
            Is it full of 30 year old engineers? And what are they really doing?
            1. Martin
              Martin 22 December 2022 17: 19
              +1
              Quote: Mikhail3
              Are you a software developer?
              No. Although there are programs in our products, and we have software engineers on staff.
              Quote: Mikhail3
              You do not live in reality, you are somewhere else, like most computer people.

              Everything you said about me here is not true. You are living in your own reality. I don't mind if it's more convenient for you.
              Quote: Mikhail3
              Is it full of 30 year old engineers? And what are they really doing?

              30-40 percent of the total number of engineers. The rest are older.
              They are doing their job. You cannot understand this, you are not an engineer, otherwise such questions would not be asked. It doesn’t fit in your head that not all Russian youth are mother’s consumers with iPhones in their pockets and multi-colored bangs.
              You are far from the world of engineering, but you categorically undertake to talk about it. Like most "Internet-experts".
              1. Mikhail3
                Mikhail3 23 December 2022 10: 39
                -1
                You are using fictitious terms, concepts that you have not tried to analyze yourself. That is, you completely fall under the analysis that I have already given. Your denials can’t do anything about it) Sorry, I don’t have time to repeat it again)
    2. Silhouette
      Silhouette 22 December 2022 09: 39
      -2
      Quote: Mikhail3
      A person does not compare information himself and uses his own conclusions, he takes strangers provided to him by the network.
      Computer scientists call information indiscriminately everything that falls into the processor. So the author, without understanding, drove the same thing.

      The quintessence of all the material of this fool with the pretentious and immodest nickname Daos
  15. populist
    populist 21 December 2022 12: 44
    +1
    but it is based on an inherently wrong premise and, as “good old Occam” teaches us, the simplest explanation is usually the most correct one. Another issue is that it is often difficult to see this “simplicity”.

    The author's mention of Occam's razor was a little amused. It turns out that this is the English Franciscan monk William of Ockham, back in the XNUMXth century, he formulated for us a universal rule for all occasions.
    But for one person, higher mathematics will be seeds, and for another, 2*2=4 is an incomprehensible science.

    If to express the world situation quite simply and in a nutshell. then the following will happen.

    The masters of the world decided to get rid of most of humanity.
    They don't need it. hi
    1. setter
      setter 21 December 2022 13: 13
      0
      The masters of the world decided to get rid of most of humanity.
      They don't need it

      If you look closely at modern "humanity", then you can agree with the Masters of the world. To confirm the correctness of the direction taken by the Masters of the world, it is enough to read the comments on this site. It is a pity that the uninvolved will suffer in the process, but these are inevitable costs.
      1. zenion
        zenion 21 December 2022 15: 48
        -1
        There are no innocents here, everyone is involved. They know better than their bosses. Before that it was good, they won't make it worse. Well, so what, that they have all the best, and I eat the last, they are the bosses. It's okay that we live ten years less than they do, they know better than their bosses. They shoot at me, but they don’t shoot at him, they are the bosses.
    2. Plate
      Plate 21 December 2022 23: 03
      0
      Quote: populist
      The masters of the world decided to get rid of most of humanity.

      Therefore, the world population continues to grow. Yes, very logical conclusions, and most importantly, are confirmed by reality.
      1. populist
        populist 23 December 2022 10: 07
        0
        Quote: Plate
        but, very logical conclusions, and most importantly, are confirmed by reality.

        I write about purpose.
        A goal is something to be achieved in the future, not something that exists in reality. No.
  16. Illanatol
    Illanatol 21 December 2022 14: 20
    +1
    Quote from: User_neydobniu
    And who gave life to these people that created computers, weren't those who mastered the manufacture of primitive tools and work with them?


    Yeah... there's a lot to learn here. For example, that troglodytes with stone axes gave life to the creators of computers. 10000 years - like one day flashed by. laughing

    No need to mix everything up. We are still talking about the ability for self-development, the ability to think independently, and not be a simple consumer of information with clip thinking and memory like a fawn-fawn (why remember? Let Google remember, it is always at hand).
    What specific labor skills someone has is the fifth thing. You can also make stone axes creatively, or you can write programs according to a stamped canon.
  17. zenion
    zenion 21 December 2022 15: 42
    0
    The authorities took a closer look at the anthill and decided - nature itself came up with it. And the rest will be done by the authorities for the management of the authorities. And the necessary thing leaned back - a person must fight for life, for such a life when it will be the power of the whole people
  18. Martin
    Martin 21 December 2022 16: 33
    0
    After all, “homo emotion” is much easier to manage than “homo ratio”. He is the perfect customer...
    But in order to manage, you still need "homo rationality."
    I believe, the author, you are simply describing (correctly enough) another round of evolution. It has always been like this: the majority go with the flow, choose the easiest. And someone, denying the least path of resistance, goes on foot from Arkhangelsk to Moscow for education. And in times of well-fed (as the cartoon “Bearbear” was already correctly mentioned here), such “Lomonosovs” seem to be outcasts. But then, inevitably, hard times come. And snickering slag and husks are automatically screened out. And suddenly it turns out that there are not so few “passionaries” and “Lomonosovs”. What we now see in Russia. And if those who are snickering have exceeded the critical mass, then under this mass they also bury those pitiful sprouts of passionarity that tried to break through this heap of rot. What we see now in Europe.
    Nothing wrong. Evolution cannot do without "extinction" and the "law of the jungle". And at what level of the "food chain" to be, everything depends on us.
    1. Taoist
      21 December 2022 22: 09
      +1
      But only with Comrade Vasilyev (who is a writer) they talked about this ... Yes, of course, only in the modern world the price of this evolution may turn out to be prohibitive.
      I will quote the answer from myself;
      "Vladimir, I agree, but there is a caveat. Unfortunately, now humanity has become so dependent on "infrastructure" that it may not survive the next cycle of "stupidity" ... So, from personal observations ... You probably remember how Jules Verne engineer Cyrus Smith built a rapid civilization on a desert island? Throw a modern engineer on a desert island? Without a computer, the Internet and libraries? I'm a techie, a riveter ... I see this degradation every day ... "(c)
      1. Plate
        Plate 21 December 2022 23: 07
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        What, in your opinion, should happen to mankind, so that it abruptly loses access to computers and the accumulated libraries of standard products?
        Yes, and an engineer will not build a civilization. For this, an economist and a lawyer are needed.
        1. Taoist
          21 December 2022 23: 41
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          Well, for example, a banal blackout is enough ... Yes, and there are certain doubts about the "lawyer with an economist". Civilization somehow managed without them for the most part ... but without those who "build, plow, sow ..." in any way.
          1. Plate
            Plate 22 December 2022 09: 21
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            Modern cannot. Yes, and "build, plow, sow" other people, not an engineer. He has a different task.
            Quote: Taoist
            Well, enough of a banal blackout, for example...

            There have been no such examples in history. Yes, and I can’t imagine it in such a way that a total apocalypse does not occur along the way, which will turn off not only computers, but in general all of humanity.
          2. populist
            populist 22 December 2022 10: 30
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            Quote: Taoist
            Yes, and about the "lawyer with an economist" there are certain doubts. Civilization somehow managed without them for the most part ..

            No, without a lawyer and an economist in any way.
            Without them there would be no civilization. It is enough to look at the history of the development of capitalism. The legal system has been improved all the time.
            And the original economist is an accountant. Where without an accountant.
            1. Taoist
              22 December 2022 20: 57
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              Well, I also have a second education in economics ... ;-) I'm probably still not talking about that. "Legal economists" is still a superstructure that serves the productive basis, so to speak. And now we are constantly trying to shift the focus in the opposite direction. What they say this superstructure is the basis ...
              1. Martin
                Martin 23 December 2022 14: 07
                +1
                Yes, you are a rabid materialist! laughing
                Quote: Taoist
                And now we are constantly trying to shift the focus in the opposite direction.

                Just not with us. Not now, anyway. They tried to promote this joke in the 90s, being, practically, under external control. Then they woke up. But America has screwed up and is now crying in the bushes, hoping to return production from China. "But who will give him?" © No.
      2. Martin
        Martin 22 December 2022 18: 16
        +1
        Quote: Taoist
        Do you remember how Jules Verne's engineer Cyrus Smith built a rapid civilization on a desert island?
        And in the days of Jules Verne, it was fantastic. Verne wrote for the youth, popularizing the natural sciences, diligence, predicted (quite successfully, by the way) the near technical future. From him, by the way, I, the boy, learned the recipe for nitroglycerin smile But no use wink (But I know what ammonium iodide is feel). By the way, many of his descriptions (I understood this when I became an engineer) either do not correspond to the truth or are completely incomplete. I suspect that with nitroglycerin the same garbage (I'm not a chemist) winked
        Quote: Taoist
        Throw a modern engineer on a desert island?
        Well, let's say, for Cyres Smith, the island was selected as a full-fledged physical and chemical laboratory. Solid pianos in the bushes. Yes, plus Harbert (Herbert) - that's another botanist. And when the owl absolutely refused to stretch on the globe, Captain Nemo appeared. wink No, for such a work - everything is the same, I still like it. But Cyres (and a modern engineer), having got to a real island, would rather be Robinsons (and even then with serious luck).
        1. Taoist
          22 December 2022 21: 04
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          Well, I gave a "literary example" - simply because everyone knows it. It is clear that this is a literary example. But in fact... It is necessary to speak about the "way of thinking" of a practical engineer. And the same Robinson, how many cones filled the boat building? Which I would not have done having a "technical mindset".
          1. Martin
            Martin 23 December 2022 14: 15
            +1
            Quote: Taoist
            It is necessary to speak about the "way of thinking" of the practical engineer.

            There is a nuance here. This way of thinking is developed precisely by practice (having a theoretical base from the university, of course). And in the modern world, deep specialization rules, otherwise you can’t cover it. To survive on a desert island, a good engineer must have some survival practice. That is, if you are good at hypersound, but have only been to the Maldives on vacation, then everything is rather sad. Another thing, if the whole of Karelia or Altai with a tent passed. Those. ALREADY had the practice of applying engineering in the wild.
            1. Taoist
              23 December 2022 20: 24
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              From the thoughts of "Kuzma Prutkov-engineer"
              "The narrow specialist learns more and more about less and less ... It will end with the fact that he will know everything about nothing and nothing about everything." (with)
              I'm just worried about this - after all, a certain level, a system of practical knowledge, it determines the basis on which a specialist will be built like a foundation. This is the foundation, and what can be built on a worthless foundation?
              1. Martin
                Martin 24 December 2022 13: 35
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                Quote: Taoist
                I'm just worried about this - after all, a certain level, a system of practical knowledge, it determines the basis on which a specialist will be built like a foundation. This is the foundation, and what can be built on a worthless foundation?

                So far, I consider Soviet secondary education to be the best foundation. Unfortunately, specialization is already being practiced in secondary schools: a physical class, a humanitarian class. And these are not specialized schools, but in general education schools. Those. cut the very basis on which young people must build their future. Silly. I'm still waiting for our commanders-in-chief to get their hands on the collapsed secondary education in the 90s.
                1. Taoist
                  24 December 2022 21: 23
                  0
                  But they do not need it ... At the same time, they themselves do not understand why ...
      3. Martin
        Martin 22 December 2022 18: 41
        0
        Quote: Taoist
        ov Vasiliev (writer who)
        "The Witcher from Greater Kyiv"?
        1. Taoist
          22 December 2022 20: 39
          0
          He is the one, "War for Mobility", "Black Relay", "Hot Start" ... I have the pleasure of being personally acquainted for a long time ...
          1. Martin
            Martin 23 December 2022 14: 03
            0
            Quote: Taoist
            I have the pleasure of knowing you personally...

            Well, hello to him from the readers. "Afftap write istcho!" smile
      4. Martin
        Martin 23 December 2022 15: 02
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        Quote: Taoist
        Yes, of course, but in the modern world, the price of this evolution may already be prohibitive.
        By the way. I read your previous publications on this topic (somehow I didn’t have a chance before). Because I have already thought about this more than once (and even in similar expressions), I have already run in “my only correct opinion” winked
        The concern of a reasonable person is understandable. But. As I already wrote, the process of evolution is going on (more precisely, it is continuing). No one will come up with a specially "the only true state ideology." And it never happened. There was no such thing that dudes gathered and, like: “So, the slave system has exhausted itself, history is going to a standstill, here is the ideology of the feudal system, it is more progressive.” And then the same way from feudal to capitalist. Nifiga. Everything developed evolutionarily, by trial and error, evolution does not know how otherwise. Just as mammals drove out lizards, capitalism drove out feudalism. Even if there was a revolution. Revolution is the same evolution, only without the handbrake. The revolution is still being prepared by centuries of evolution. And then the new formation tries to survive, experiencing the wildest pressure of the old formation. And then who's who.
        Now exactly the same thing is happening. The formation, which we conditionally call socialism, having existed for several decades, rolled back to capitalism. There was, therefore, a congenital flaw in her. But capitalism has also outlived itself, this is obvious. There is a gradual painful transition to a new formation (and ideology). We can conditionally call it state capitalism, the elements of which were still under grandfather Stalin. The old thing you worry about (degradation, an oxymoron of liberal democracy) is dying out because entered an unsustainable stage. The new and viable old by trial and error builds a new formation under (again) the wildest pressure of the old.
        Your concern is understandable: it is very uncomfortable to be the subject of evolution, dinosaurs will not let you lie. But who is asking us?

        PS By the way. The oxymoron is not "liberal democracy", but simply "democracy". "People's power" is an oxymoron.
        1. Taoist
          23 December 2022 21: 55
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          Evolution is, of course, great and right ... and "social Darwinism" has not been canceled ... But the dependence of the world is increasing exponentially all the time ... And the next round of evolution may not survive ... "factory reset". It's like a spiral.
          1. Martin
            Martin 24 December 2022 13: 30
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            Quote: Taoist
            And the next round of evolution may not survive ... "factory reset".

            Well, why not? The end of the world is still a billion years away, according to the ABS. You can live more than one civilization from scratch.
            1. Taoist
              24 December 2022 21: 27
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              The energy is not the same ... it may turn out that there will be no one to live out ... From the point of view of evolution, it does not matter who becomes the "crown" - "Homo sapiens" or some kind of "Blattodea sapiens" ... and even "sapiens" is not at all necessary. ..
        2. populist
          populist 24 December 2022 13: 47
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          Quote: Martyn
          There was no such thing that dudes gathered and were like: “So, the slave-owning system has exhausted itself, history is going to a standstill, here is the ideology of the feudal system, it is more progressive.” And then the same way from feudal to capitalist.

          It is quite possible to create an ideology in advance, and there are enough such cases in history. For example, two dudes got together - Marx and Engels and created the ideology of Marxism. This ideology was brought to life 69 years later in WOSR. The modern ideology of "Menism" was created in advance and is now used by America around the world. The ideology of the electronic concentration camp has already been created. The ideology of convergence was created. Now it is embodied in the PRC to one degree or another.
          The current government in Russia is unable to create an ideology due to a number of subjective and objective reasons.
        3. populist
          populist 24 December 2022 14: 10
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          Quote: Martyn
          The concern of a reasonable person is understandable. But. As I already wrote, the process of evolution is going on (more precisely, it is continuing).

          And if this is a round of involution or even degradation?
          There have been dark ages in human history. And in the history of individual peoples there were such periods of degradation that these peoples simply disappeared from the face of the earth. For example, the Romans and Byzantines. And one should not think that some peoples are insured against their disappearance. Including there is no such insurance and the Russian people. At present, we can observe the degradation and dying of many European peoples, as an example of such a modern development of events.
  19. cpls22
    cpls22 21 December 2022 20: 44
    +1
    This is a normal property of the human brain - only that which is either organically integrated into the system of what is already known, or accompanied by a vivid emotion, is remembered well. Many mnemonic techniques (methods of memorization) are based precisely on the latter effect. In general, cognitive functions are very costly for the body, and a person has always tried to somehow save on this.
    It looks like he overdid it.
    Thanks to the development of search engines, memory functions have become less in demand - you can always type in the desired term in the search bar and get all the publicly available information about this.
    You don't have to remember. And a systematic understanding of the right thing may not be useful either - just scribbling in the right word is enough.
    The exception is highly specialized knowledge, and people employed in it usually do not degrade so much.
    As for emotions, their wild outbursts, massive explosions - you can look at it from an unexpected angle - energy is no longer spent on memorization, and the energy emotional reserve in the body remains intact for it, unclaimed, and needs to be released).
    1. Martin
      Martin 22 December 2022 18: 24
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      Quote from cpls22
      This is a normal property of the human brain - only that which is either organically integrated into the system of what is already known, or accompanied by a vivid emotion, is remembered well.

      And what you were made to remember. For this, “unnecessary” verses and even whole pieces of text were taught at school (“Eh, troika, troika bird, who invented you?” ©). For the development of memory. I remember the "Solar Circle" in German from school. Although, what for it to me?

      Quote from cpls22
      Thanks to the development of search engines, memory functions have become less in demand - you can always type in the desired term in the search bar and get all the publicly available information about this.
      But after all, Vika has not only consumers, there are also “fillers”. Someone has to put the information first.
      1. cpls22
        cpls22 22 December 2022 19: 41
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        "Wiki has not only consumers, there are also "fillers". Someone must first put in the information."
        - of course, but it's hard for me to imagine these "fillers" defending the ideas of a flat earth, or participating in a fight with football fans. But besides them, there are those who move science forward and develop new models of weapons.
  20. Taoist
    22 December 2022 20: 53
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    Well, what can I say ... the article caused a certain resonance, so it was not in vain that I wrote it. On the other hand, the comments here are quite illustrative. Someone just most likely did not read further than a couple of paragraphs, or read "diagonally" without trying to think ... After all, I was just emphasizing the fact that there is no question of "generational difference" here - degradation concerns everyone and the difference in its expression is just a difference in the "basic level".
    A "regular troll" rushed in - quickly turned to personalities ... Well, God bless him - I have been trying not to feed this breed for a long time. But it is also quite illustrative - even trolls are degrading.
  21. populist
    populist 23 December 2022 10: 24
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    suggest a possible way out of this "civilizational impasse".

    The authorities are trying to act effectively, but are not capable of doing so.
    The defendants are selected up by patronage or loyalty, and not by professional qualities. Criticism of the actions of these defendants is either not allowed or ignored. Open discussions on the methods of action of these defendants are almost impossible.
    A change of political power is very unlikely. Everything is very sad and there are no options. crying
  22. Kuziming
    Kuziming 23 December 2022 11: 08
    +1
    Alex, good afternoon!
    I now work as a teacher, three higher educations, in the subject.
    I’ll write more in private, but briefly on the proposed topic:
    1. If a psychiatrist from "Soviet repressive psychiatry" got into a modern school, forty percent of students would receive preliminary diagnoses.
    2. We have lost the concept of the norm. What used to be deviant behavior and was subject to correction is now a feature of the development of a creative personality, and this needs to be worked flexibly without injuring the delicate psyche of the child.
    3. In one team there are just children, and children with diagnoses, this is called inclusive education.
    I am now telling my young colleagues that, in addition to pedagogy, a teacher should now also understand psychiatry.
    Children with a wide variety of diseases are in the general team, and these diagnoses are not reported to anyone. We get a "closed box" where there can be autism, overvalued ideas, arousal syndrome, and simply pedagogical neglect (alcoholics and drug addicts also have children). In such a situation, it is impossible to use classical training schemes, they simply do not work. An individual approach is promoted, but it is good for individual learning, not in a group. Accordingly, the criteria for evaluating knowledge are also individual, and we no longer have such a tool as a bad assessment.
    4. What to do?
    Nothing can be done, this situation depends only on the authorities, they created it. We just have to adapt.
    5. The right question - What will happen?
    - The nation is again divided into the intellectual elite and the "common people". And the ratio will be the same as in tsarist Russia. The intellectual elite will not always coincide with the ruling class and wealthy strata, but this is not forever.
    - Inevitably, in one form or another, the return of specialization. Special schools, special classes. Equality is good, but the alignment on the lower level of consumption, intelligence, and education is bad.
    - Cadet classes, in my opinion, are a wonderful thing. Unfortunately, not everyone in the "women's pedagogical tradition" understands this now, and the results of formal monitoring of progress are still low. But this is a question to the original base.
    At least the concept of "norm" is available to officers, they can explain the meaning of the words "should" and "should not".
    - degradation now manifests itself in "clip thinking", inability to maintain concentration, receive information in a non-playful way. In eight years, we can get a generation of disabled gamers who have come into adulthood, up to 80% of the total number of graduates. There is such a danger, but there are also compensation mechanisms, 80% is the upper level, we can easily reduce it to 20% with some efforts of the whole society and a change in the policy of education management.
    1. Taoist
      23 December 2022 21: 48
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      Well, it's good that the situation with the arrival of the "fat polar animal" is felt not only by me. Ways out of the situation, too, in general, beg for anyone who has not degraded to a complete loss of common sense ... One problem is the point of no return ... As long as everything goes to the point that we will fly through it, doing a bunch of "more urgent things." For example, rewriting textbooks ...
      1. Kuziming
        Kuziming 24 December 2022 23: 19
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        In fact, the biological margin of safety is very large. Fire, water, copper pipes... Everything can be overcome.
  23. Popenko
    Popenko 23 December 2022 13: 21
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    Modern intellectual degradation is fully explained by the desire of the current elite to get a lowing herd, instead of thinking citizens. These are easier to manage. Previously, religion and ideology served as deterrents to the people. Now - only general stupidity.
  24. Mikhail_Tokamakov
    Mikhail_Tokamakov 24 December 2022 01: 31
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    As a result, the "baby" cannot count in the mind from the word at all. Adding, subtracting, and even more so multiplying two or three digit numbers without a calculator (computer) is a big problem.

    Do you know how to make stone tools and work with them? Do you know how to properly plow and sow the fields, when and how to properly harvest? Do you know how to hunt with improvised means?
    But your ancestors knew all this in the century before electricity and mass globalization ....
    degradation on the face

    But I don’t think that you, like some “degraded kids”, will be able to write an assembler driver for a modern piece of hardware without which the latter will not work ...

    If only they could do it. But from the older generation, who received a Soviet education, wonderful specialists in the same programming come out, so degradation is obvious, but here it is not so much the harmful effects of progress as the education system. We are imitating the western system in which zombies are raised. Thank God, now something has begun to change in education, for example, the exit from the Bologna system is taking place. I hope this will change everything for the better, otherwise everything is sad. But the most annoying thing is that even our young generation is easy to manage, but it is not we who manage it, but our enemies
  25. Illanatol
    Illanatol 24 December 2022 14: 20
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    Well, I gave a "literary example" - simply because everyone knows it. It is clear that this is a literary example. But in fact... It is necessary to speak about the "way of thinking" of a practical engineer.


    And you can remember the film "The Matrix", which lays in the viewer the meaning of the exact opposite, starting, alas, from the current realities.

    "Man, you are just a cog in the mechanism of modern Society. Serve the Society, do everything you are supposed to do, conscientiously, perform your functions. After all, your existence is possible and makes sense only within the Society, you have long ceased to be a subject. A cog is valuable as long as it is a part of workable mechanism. If there is no mechanism-Society - you are doomed to non-existence".

    A cog that is able to act independently, not obeying the rules prescribed for it, is not needed for the mechanism and even harmful.
    The more debugged the System, the fewer degrees of freedom for the elements included in it.
    Just as people could not break with the Matrix in the film of the same name (since they are simply not viable outside of it), so the current "members of society" are rigidly tied to this society itself. Therefore, any developed society in modern conditions is deeply totalitarian ...
    1. Taoist
      24 December 2022 21: 21
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      A dubious example ... the Wachowski brothers / sisters themselves, probably unwittingly, showed a very ambiguous world so interdependent that they are not able to exist separately ... And the victory of any of them will lead to the complete elimination of both humanity and the "world of machines". After all, someone must say that "there is no spoon" ... And it's not a fact that this is true.
  26. Illanatol
    Illanatol 25 December 2022 08: 49
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    Quote: Taoist
    A dubious example ... the Wachowski brothers / sisters themselves, probably unwittingly, showed a very ambiguous world so interdependent that they are not able to exist separately ... And the victory of any of them will lead to the complete elimination of both humanity and the "world of machines"


    One thing must be taken into account: everything that is shown in the film, from the first to the last frame, is virtual reality, just a dream. There is simply no reality in the film. The struggle between people and machines is just an illusion. Neo Anderson is a computer program designed to cause another system reboot to get rid of bugs. He is no different from Agent Smith, Pythia or the Architect. They all serve the same cause, fights between Neo and Smith are the struggle of Nanai girls. laughing

    In general, people just lie in their tanks, performing their function of maintaining the Matrix and enjoying virtual illusions, each to their own taste: someone is the owner of the company, someone is a popular actor, and someone is a Resistance fighter who defends his native Zion from the aggression of machines.
    The people themselves (their brains, to be more precise) are part of the "hardware", which ensures the operation of the software - the Matrix.
    They are not batteries (people are useless in this capacity), but living supercomputer microcircuits.
    What here the conflict and independent existence. In this world, perhaps even there is nothing to breathe due to a lack or complete absence of oxygen (the biosphere and green plants have long been destroyed, oxygen is not needed by machines).
  27. vitpavelko
    vitpavelko 29 December 2022 14: 47
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    Despite the title of the article, the debate about the fate of mankind (civilization or civilizations) turned out to be THEORETICAL. Although now is the period when there is a PRACTICAL search for the right path. And this search is being carried out not by any conspirators, but by quite legitimate figures: the leaders of the leading political countries - Putin, Biden, Xi (so far, more like an inertial mass); politicians and public figures - Lavrov, Trump, Musk; Church leaders and confessional authorities - Pope, Erdogan, Israel. You can, of course, deepen the list.

    Each of the list forms its own worldview, each has a huge number of adherents, and a large number of radical ones. And bursts of activity of the masses ("fools" - in the terminology of the author) depend both on the level of passionarity (mainly - on the number of unmarried men), and on the actions of opinion leaders.

    In the article, it all came down to technical education where the author saw signs of degradation. But from the point of view of the fate of the world, this is a small zigzag of a separate country, which life itself will force to correct.

    The author sees the cause of the world youth "dope" in the degradation associated with the information revolution. In my opinion (and many comments here), history shows that each redistribution of information increases the education of the masses. But. Here, as in the economy, in recent years the whole world has increased the level of prosperity, but the growth of the rich has been greater than that of the poor, the gap has widened, which has led the poor to feel that they have become poorer. It is the same in the intellectual sphere: smart people use the opportunities that have arisen much more effectively, and there is an impression of inequality. And due to human subjectivity, this inequality is interpreted not as: poor grades in the Unified State Examination - this means that I have no perseverance, some abilities, I need to choose the appropriate profession, but how: they had a tutor, they bribed teachers and, in general, the Unified State Examination - invention of enemies. So it's not so much degradation as polarization. This is the negative consequence of the information revolution. In addition, if earlier asocial book ideas did not reach the illiterate layers, now they do, which leads to even greater polarization already on the basis of criminality.

    What to do with these polarizations? In some countries, they choose the option - do nothing, there are civil or neighboring wars where passionaries self-destruct. But in cultural countries it is declared that this problem needs to be solved by more humane methods. Possible options: 1) try to raise the level of the lower layers (but here environmental difficulties arise), 2) smooth out contradictions mentally (at school and at work, people should not receive knowledge, but satisfaction); 3) liquidation of the lower layers (in various ways, including prisons, re-education camps, etc.); 4) reduce the appetites of the upper layers (changes in legislation, charity...); 5) slow down progress and, accordingly, the pace of polarization; 6) a combination of these and other methods. In the coming years, we will see which way our leaders will lead the peoples.
    1. Taoist
      30 December 2022 21: 10
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      Polarization is a consequence of degradation ... I did not mention the division into "kzhi and ji" in vain ... Well, if a person is not able, first of all, to "realize" where he is being led ... then they will not lead anywhere except to the slaughterhouse.