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The German general announced the unsuitability of the latest German Puma infantry fighting vehicles for operation due to failure during the exercises

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The German general announced the unsuitability of the latest German Puma infantry fighting vehicles for operation due to failure during the exercises

The latest German infantry fighting vehicles Puma proved unusable and broke down during the exercises of the Bundeswehr. This was announced by the commander of the 10th tank division of Major General Ruprecht von Butler.


The German general wrote an angry letter addressed to the leadership of the Bundeswehr and the German Ministry of Defense. According to him, 18 new Puma infantry fighting vehicles were involved in the exercises of the German army, which should go into service with the NATO Rapid Reaction Force next year. During the eight days of the exercises, all BMPs fell into disrepair, the main reason was the electronics, which simply could not withstand the operating conditions.

The Bundeswehr said they were aware of the existing problems with the equipment, but they did not arise "with such frequency." At the same time, BMPs were moved only to shooting ranges in the lowlands of Northern Germany and "were not subjected to excessive load." The last two infantry fighting vehicles participating in the exercises at the training center of the armored forces also failed.

The operational readiness of 18 combat-ready Puma infantry fighting vehicles has dropped to zero over the last eight days of the exercise. So it's a complete failure. The last two Pumas, still ready for action, were also out of action during firing after an hour and a half with turret defects.

von Butler said.

Problems in the Puma infantry fighting vehicle in the Bundeswehr have been announced for a long time, the car even received the nickname "problem child" in the German army. In 2023, Germany will take over command of the NATO Rapid Response Force, so the Bundeswehr promised to add a motorized infantry brigade with 40 Puma infantry fighting vehicles to them. However, due to the technical condition of the latest infantry fighting vehicles, it may turn out that German soldiers will have to transfer back to the Marder, which have been in service with the Bundeswehr since 1971.
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  1. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 18 December 2022 12: 20
    +11
    about how many wonderful discoveries the intensive operation of weapons is preparing for us ... and especially in real combat use for wear and tear ... the main thing is how quickly these jambs are eliminated and what conclusions the developers draw ... let's see what awaits the cougar there ...
    1. Luka Nord
      Luka Nord 18 December 2022 12: 45
      +7
      The German general declared the unsuitability of the latest German infantry fighting vehicles

      Ha ha ha Fritz yelled and gave back! German tanks and other armored vehicles are back in Ukraine. This is nonsense, and this will never be forgiven by the Fritz. And they have already gone to the fullest, even with their Frau Merkel.

      Such things are going on in tank divisions on the western front ..
    2. Fast_mutant
      Fast_mutant 18 December 2022 12: 49
      +10
      Don't you think it's some kind of disinformation? Like "we have very unreliable cars", so as not to supply quite normal devices to Ukraine for disposal? And then what? There is no money, and there won’t be, but we still need to produce for ourselves.
      So "I would give, but they are faulty!"
      They jumped nicely. ))) Everyone is already fed up with giving in debt without the possibility of returning it. And so they have already slapped so much that you can take out all the black soil for five or six times! ))
      1. alexandre II
        alexandre II 19 December 2022 15: 49
        0
        Fast-mutant ..... and I don’t think it’s not misinformation, I read this article in the Estonian press, Postimees, (Postman newspaper) now it has appeared here ....
    3. novel66
      novel66 18 December 2022 12: 57
      +2
      out of action during firing after an hour and a half with defects in the tower

      I doubt it's fast.
    4. Jafar
      Jafar 18 December 2022 13: 44
      +4
      Puma smoothly turned into capricious Rita))
      1. seregatara1969
        seregatara1969 18 December 2022 18: 54
        +2
        A good BMP will not be called Rita! She's kinda feminine
    5. Sith
      Sith 18 December 2022 13: 50
      +1
      So, as a result, the lobby first overstocks them in order .... and then the military suffers ... because it’s hard to do something back after several years of walking through exercises, psi, eliminating production and operational shortcomings

      And this hasn’t even reached the point of real use when you need to crawl under shells, bullets, drones ... tanks ... and brush off march throws ... when it’s not a fact that they will quickly fix or evacuate to the rear

      There are also hangers that cannot be quickly removed ... which they will find out when they start to apply it really ... because in the exercises everything is according to the scenario
    6. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 18 December 2022 17: 38
      0
      Quote: silberwolf88
      about how many wonderful discoveries the intensive operation of weapons is preparing for us ... and especially in real combat use for wear and tear ... the main thing is how quickly these jambs are eliminated and what conclusions the developers draw ... let's see what awaits the cougar there ...

      The "tractor drivers" guys said that in the BTR-80 for about 10 years some garbage was screwed with wire until it "screwed" from the factory began to come.

      I don't know if it's true or fiction. As they say, "for what I bought ..."
      1. opposite28
        opposite28 19 December 2022 00: 20
        +2
        The "tractor drivers" guys said that in the BTR-80 for about 10 years some garbage was screwed with wire until it "screwed" from the factory began to come.

        I don't know if it's true or fiction. As they say, "for what I bought ..."
        Property screwed with wire always held tighter than welded, as they say: You grab me with welding, and I will tightly fasten it with wire ... Especially in the army, soldier's ingenuity does not sleep ... good drinks
  2. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 18 December 2022 12: 24
    +4
    Operational readiness of 18 combat-ready Puma infantry fighting vehicles dropped to zero over the last eight days of the exercise
    Again, problems in the Bundeswehr. And these are new infantry fighting vehicles in German conditions, but what will happen in a cold climate and with complete impassability? Pomnitsa in our regiment in the distant 70s at divisional exercises in the winter, in January, with a march of more than 200 km in ten days, only three old BTR-60PA stood up. So this armored personnel carrier was "hundred" years old.
    1. YOUR
      YOUR 18 December 2022 12: 53
      +6
      Out of how many cars 18 out of 350 failed and what kind of malfunctions in electronics. The light bulbs burned out.
      In my opinion, the Germans are twisting what is called "an ox by the tail" and coming up with various pretexts so as not to give anything to either the Poles or the Ukrainians. See how bad we are. We will have to send these machines for modernization and repair, and send the old ones to the troops themselves, so as not to be left without anything at all.
      1. Apprentice_SAM
        Apprentice_SAM 18 December 2022 13: 50
        +4
        Quote: YOUR

        In my opinion, the Germans are twisting what is called "an ox by the tail" and coming up with various pretexts so as not to give anything to either the Poles or the Ukrainians. See how bad we are. We will have to send these machines for modernization and repair, and send the old ones to the troops themselves, so as not to be left without anything at all.


        - Young man! As is - broken! We Europeans do not deceive each other!
        (almost cit.)
  3. duschman80-81
    duschman80-81 18 December 2022 12: 25
    +3
    The latest German infantry fighting vehicles Puma proved unusable and broke down during the exercises of the Bundeswehr.
    But everything, more or less suitable, was given to Ukraine. As in that saying: "Give your wife to your uncle, and go to ... (a woman with low social responsibility.)
    1. Barberry25
      Barberry25 18 December 2022 12: 28
      +1
      well, they gave away mostly old cars from conservation, which were in service with the GDR .. they still have marders
  4. South Ukrainian
    South Ukrainian 18 December 2022 12: 26
    +1
    This is all to the fact that military equipment should be as simple as possible, if possible, of course. And yet, our "tube" electronics work better in a real war.
    1. Fizik13
      Fizik13 18 December 2022 12: 37
      +3
      Quote: South Ukrainian
      And yet, our "tube" one works better in a real war.

      "Lamp" technology is used by Ukrainians - the remnants of Soviet technology.
      We already have semiconductors, almost everything is computerized, but sometimes there are archaic things. All equipment is made in the USSR or Russia. There is everything for repair, spare parts, specialists, repair facilities. We do not need to send equipment for repair to other countries...
      1. South Ukrainian
        South Ukrainian 18 December 2022 12: 52
        +3
        By the word tube, (it is in quotation marks), I meant our "lag" in electronics. And even though our electronic components are larger and heavier than foreign ones, they are more reliable. Here's the point of my comment.
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 18 December 2022 17: 53
          +1
          Quote: South Ukrainian
          Let our electronic components be larger and heavier than foreign ones, but they are more reliable.

          I remember talking to electricians who installed new transformers in our village. He asked, in passing, with a "bespereboynik" for a computer. Well, like, specialists. They answered that the basic principle is that the harder the better. I bought a battery similar to an aircraft battery (I once had to unload it in the army) - they dragged me from the car together with a neighbor. Power surge issues are gone. And then, with the same neighbor, one stabilizer for two was installed in a separate shed - that one is just under two tons. But when there was 170 volts at the input, we have 220 in our houses.
      2. novel66
        novel66 18 December 2022 13: 00
        +3
        We already have semiconductors

        We have armored personnel carriers!
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 18 December 2022 13: 31
          +1
          Quote: novel xnumx
          We have armored personnel carriers!

          And we are on an armored train!
          Roma hi
          1. novel66
            novel66 18 December 2022 15: 08
            +3
            Is he on a siding??
            Volodya! hi
            ! Ttt! Ttttttttt
            1. Uncle lee
              Uncle lee 18 December 2022 15: 11
              0
              There was an armored train in Bikin .... But they liquidated it in the 90s am
              1. novel66
                novel66 18 December 2022 15: 24
                +3
                And it would be useful to go to Crimea and accompany trains
  5. Fizik13
    Fizik13 18 December 2022 12: 27
    +3
    In the beginning - German tanks do not work in winter. Now ALL infantry fighting vehicles are out of order, and then what excuses will there be?
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 18 December 2022 13: 04
      +2
      Summer fuel was poured into the tanks, all the filters froze, the nozzles jammed, water condensed in the sights.
    2. karabas-barabas
      karabas-barabas 18 December 2022 14: 25
      0
      Tell the Swedes and Finns that German tanks don't work in winter. Let me also remind you how the tender for the supply of tanks to the Swedes took place in the early 90s and who participated against Leo2 in that tender, the most winter tank of the Russian Federation at that time, the T-80. Everything is colorful and described with a video, Google to the rescue.
  6. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 18 December 2022 12: 31
    +8
    I know, I know chips from Chinese Siemens washing machines in Puma. And we use Riga 60 chips from these machines. Probably got under the article for disclosing military secrets. Balts ay, that's what our defense is based on. wassat
    1. Fast_mutant
      Fast_mutant 18 December 2022 12: 53
      +3
      There was a similar machine, and I remember washing it not badly. It was especially cool that the activator stood at the bottom and could be washed almost in a mug of water. Very relevant now for Europe. Although there is rather more relevant now ultrasonic. even from a power bank backwater! )))
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 18 December 2022 13: 02
        +2
        Now they make them, but they are plastic. In Mongolia they are very popular with nomads. And I’m not sure they do it here or in China. The Riga 60 car was unkillable.
        1. Old Doctor
          Old Doctor 18 December 2022 13: 47
          +3
          my parents had one. I can’t say for sure, but for 40 years I worked without a single malfunction.
        2. karabas-barabas
          karabas-barabas 18 December 2022 14: 27
          +1
          Do you remember Babies?)) That's where you can pick up chips for infantry fighting vehicles!))
      2. alexey sidykin
        alexey sidykin 18 December 2022 13: 07
        +1
        Quote: Fast_mutant
        There was a similar machine, and I remember washing it not badly. It was especially cool that the activator stood at the bottom and could be washed almost in a mug of water. Very relevant now for Europe. Although there is rather more relevant now ultrasonic. even from a power bank backwater! )))

        You can’t wash in a mug ... at least 15-20 liters. Water is needed. These still continue to be produced.
      3. Bolt cutter
        Bolt cutter 18 December 2022 14: 51
        +1
        didn't wash well.
        And they also made a quick brew in it yes .
    2. novel66
      novel66 18 December 2022 13: 01
      +5
      The handle is an exact analogue of the handle of a machine for stuffing shell tapes. Vernyak, disclosure
    3. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 18 December 2022 17: 59
      +1
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Balts ay, that's what our defense is based on.

      My parents used to have one. Only at the age of 15, towards the end of her life, I realized why she had such a front leg - to step on her when you wring out the laundry with rollers ... feel
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 18 December 2022 18: 42
        +1
        Thank you for reminding me, otherwise they would have given me one now, Khan's laundry! hi
  7. Egeny
    Egeny 18 December 2022 12: 38
    0
    Quote: silberwolf88
    let's see what's next for the puma ...

    And here is the "puma", we must run our weapons and ammunition ...
  8. Egeny
    Egeny 18 December 2022 12: 43
    0
    Quote: South Ukrainian
    military equipment should be as simple as possible

    Do you offer a club? Here the other day the Chinese and Indians mastered this know-how (know how)
    1. novel66
      novel66 18 December 2022 13: 02
      +3
      With good, by the way, success, our artillery cannot always fill so much
  9. Seamaster
    Seamaster 18 December 2022 12: 52
    +2
    Well, the electronics on the "raw" "Puma" barked - this is nonsense. Think the microwave doesn't work! You can also eat cold sandwiches. But the "raw" "Panthers" just stupidly caught fire. It would be nice in winter - at least it would be possible to warm up! No - in July. On the Kursk Bulge.
  10. alexey_444
    alexey_444 18 December 2022 12: 53
    0
    The German design school, like the rest of the world, is no longer the same, it helps the authorities easily manipulate the masses, but you have to pay for this with the degradation of engineers. The F-35 was tortured to modernize because of electronics, I am glad that the Poles will sit in Korean tanks, the best in terms of characteristics but not capable of anything in practice. But we all blame armature, with our funding and electronics, it’s even wow.
  11. alexey sidykin
    alexey sidykin 18 December 2022 13: 03
    +4
    Here the other day in Roman’s chat, Puma was just being praised for the latest technology, not cartoons and not in a single copy, not like ours. And it looks like... laughing
  12. Egeny
    Egeny 18 December 2022 13: 17
    -1
    Quote: Seamaster
    in July. On the Kursk Bulge.

    Are ours going to wait until July? Sadness.
    The mobilized ones seemed to be dragged to the training grounds, ... it would be time.)
  13. Egeny
    Egeny 18 December 2022 13: 18
    0
    Quote: Alexey Sedykin
    And it looks like...

    Something went wrong...)
  14. Egeny
    Egeny 18 December 2022 13: 21
    +1
    Quote: novel xnumx
    our artillery cannot always stuff so much

    General, why so much pessimism? So your predictions for the "puma" did not come true?)
    They can if they want.)
  15. Dmitry Tsarevich
    Dmitry Tsarevich 18 December 2022 13: 43
    0
    What is special or outstanding about the German school of tank building? T5 licked with t34. The tigers made boxes because there was nowhere to put the ship's armor, a very controversial decision, by the way, and the tank itself too. There is nothing to say about mice of various kinds, pure engineering cretinism. But according to liberal laws, whatever the German beautiful-winged elves do, everything is fine, but whatever our scythe-armed orcs do, everything is bad.
    1. ycuce234-san
      ycuce234-san 18 December 2022 17: 09
      0
      Quote: Dmitry Tsarevich
      The tigers made boxes because there was nowhere to put the ship's armor, a very controversial decision, by the way, and the tank itself too.


      Not armor, but rolling mills and factory hammers. Armor-wire rod and forged, the Germans would have quietly lain down in warehouses for 100 years. But the transition to another technology would require building factories for it during the war - and this was definitely unnecessary, in contrast to the loading of these rolling mills and hammers.
      The Germans, first of all, saved money and time on the construction of fundamentally new factories, and along the way, on the unification of naval and land armor.
  16. Graz
    Graz 18 December 2022 14: 07
    +2
    Well, the fact that the Puma is a very problematic car has been said in the same Germany since a very long time. They also have the KF41 Lynx. which they supply to Hungary and to someone else, the car at least understood it simpler in many ways than Puma, but without such problems
  17. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 18 December 2022 14: 53
    +1
    out of action during firing after an hour and a half with defects towers
    It turns out that not only crows are plasticine .. feel
  18. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 18 December 2022 17: 53
    0
    The operational readiness of 18 combat-ready Puma infantry fighting vehicles has dropped to zero over the last eight days of the exercise.

    Worthy heirs of Panter... request
  19. matsur
    matsur 18 December 2022 18: 37
    -2
    Oh, joy, so much joy! Look! They've broken down. We don't break anything!
  20. rotfuks
    rotfuks 18 December 2022 22: 23
    0
    BMP Puma 'turned out to be normal, only Chinese electronics failed. It is curious what will happen to this electronics when it gets under electronic radiation under combat conditions or electronic warfare works on it.
  21. Yaroslav Tekkel
    Yaroslav Tekkel 20 December 2022 01: 37
    0
    With all my skepticism about the jingoistic howls of "NATO crap again", I can believe in this specifically. The Bundeswehr for 30 years after the Cold War rolled into the bottom. The military budget was continuously reduced, equipment was cut and sold, the prestige of military service reached negative values. It has already gotten to the point that the rank and file (except for specialized riflemen-infantrymen) began to copy the soldiers of the Soviet Army (“I shot ten rounds for service”). And since in prosperous (until recently) Germany there was no line of people willing to risk their lives for the salary of an assistant car mechanic, the quality and completeness of the personnel simply collapsed. And this despite the fact that the German military system has always been extremely sensitive to the quality of privates and non-commissioned officers. Well, the technique had only to catch up to the level of the exploiters.