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Ukrainian general: Russian army may again attack Kyiv from the north

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Ukrainian general: Russian army may again attack Kyiv from the north

Around the anniversary of the beginning of the special operation, the Russian army may again attack Kyiv from the north. The Armed Forces of Ukraine never forget about the possible direction of the strike of Russian troops from Belarus.


This statement was made by the head of the operational command "South" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Major General Andriy Kovalchuk during the telethon.

We live with the thought that they will advance again

- said the Ukrainian general.

In his opinion, the offensive of the Russian troops could presumably begin in February next year, that is, on the first anniversary of the start of the special operation.

We are considering a possible offensive from Belarus at the end of February, maybe later

- declared the military leader.

He said that the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is closely monitoring the actions of his enemy, especially where he is accumulating reserves, preparing to repel the strike. Like most Ukrainian politicians and officials, Kovalchuk has high hopes for Western aid, especially supplies weapons, capable of hitting as many targets as possible with one blow.

We need more collective weapons - not machine guns, but machine guns, not shells, but cluster munitions

- the general of the Armed Forces of Ukraine put forward his demands.

As for the alleged Russian offensive into Ukraine from the north in February, most Western military leaders do not believe in such a scenario. In particular, the former commander of the US contingent in Europe, Ben Hodges, spoke about this in a similar vein on his page on the social network.
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  1. zloybond
    zloybond 17 December 2022 17: 30
    +5
    I'm making a bad comparison, of course, but still...
    The Germans made a serious mistake at the beginning of the war with the USSR. Surrounding 3 Soviet armies, they changed direction to the south. And ... they were transported in the Dnieper region for almost 70 days, starting a fuss with these very Armies. Slowing down the pace, they generally bogged down there. These very 70 days of changing the direction of the main attack gave the USSR time to recover from the shock, to mobilize, to bring the control of the Armies back to normal after the confusion of the start of the war .... and much more ....
    ... Russia ... Having started fussing with negotiations, gestures of goodwill, readiness to be deceived once again, indistinct direction and indistinct goals ... these are the very days ... that Russia's actions gave to the ballers ... They recovered from the shock , established lend-lease and began to fight. And oddly enough, the prisoners confirm that their officers have no doubts about Russia, they do not doubt and do not think about sentimentality.
    1. ism_ek
      ism_ek 17 December 2022 18: 07
      +4
      Quote: zloybond
      And ... they were transported in the Dnieper region for almost 70 days, starting a fuss with these very Armies.

      In the "Dnieper region" they surrounded 400 tons of Red Army soldiers, and then along the Vyazma, the Red Army "recovered from the shock" lost a million ... killed, wounded and captured ...
      Quote: zloybond
      Starting a fuss with negotiations, gestures of goodwill,

      It is still unclear who needed these negotiations more. Already in early March, part of the troops from the Kyiv direction was transferred to Kharkov. The first tank army, which under the USSR was supposed to "reach the English Channel with one throw" - could not surround Kharkov, located 40 km from the border.
      1. Lionnvrsk
        Lionnvrsk 17 December 2022 21: 27
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        Russia may again attack Kyiv from the north.
        This statement was made by the head of the operational command "South" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

        Are they competing there? The other day, their commander of the "North" group convinced the skakuas that Russia had a very small group in this direction and there was no need to be afraid of a possible attack.
        1. bayard
          bayard 17 December 2022 23: 01
          0
          Quote: LIONnvrsk
          Are they competing there?

          They are really bombed , and not only them .
          Watch the events in the coming days , a lot of interesting things can happen .
    2. Yang yangov
      Yang yangov 17 December 2022 20: 34
      0
      my thoughts and vision of this problem..
      1. completely destroy the entire economy.
      industry
      plants and factories
      power plants and substations
      railway stations and airports
      sea ​​and river ports
      destroy all political and economic centers of Ukraine
      2. no negotiations. with anyone until their complete defeat. unconditional surrender of the Ukrainian Reich.
      appoint adequate military personnel. who will be responsible for everything - according to the laws of war
      3.transfer the country's economy on a war footing.
      1. bayard
        bayard 17 December 2022 23: 10
        -1
        Quote: Yang Yangov
        my thoughts and vision of this problem..
        1. completely destroy the entire economy ...

        Destroy control centers with managers and destroy supply lines.
        Destroy the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the SBU, the National Guard, the headquarters and locations of the curators.
        And stop building savages out of yourself - you need to destroy enemies, not the population, even if it's cold. Enemies are now building all the propaganda on this.

        Quote: Yang Yangov
        appoint adequate military personnel. who will be responsible for everything - according to the laws of war

        I think there will be progress here as well. Personnel.
        Our main enemy, unfortunately, turned out to be inside the vertical, and serious changes are also expected with this.
        The damask Finnish knife is taken out of the scabbard.
        K-9 went on the warpath.
        Now everything will be different.
        1. Osmodey
          Osmodey 18 December 2022 19: 14
          0
          Do you take it in your hands)) or do you really believe that something can change ??? Well, these are the capitalists who have kunaks everywhere in the vertical
          1. bayard
            bayard 20 December 2022 14: 18
            0
            If the system does not change, change the system. And they also want to live.
  2. Stoler
    Stoler 17 December 2022 17: 31
    -5
    Ratuet that who else twirls in the power and leadership of the army of the Russian Federation! good laughing
  3. Eva Star
    Eva Star 17 December 2022 17: 32
    0
    You can attack from the north, but first you need to destroy bridges and dams. And also something more than 300 thousand soldiers is needed.
    1. opuonmed
      opuonmed 17 December 2022 18: 45
      0
      air defense and satellites to suppress minefields to destroy and many many things!
    2. nickname7
      nickname7 19 December 2022 08: 35
      0
      You can attack from the north

      Time will not be lost, now the Armed Forces of Ukraine have created defense lines in the north about the Avdiivka type, which they cannot take for 10 months.
  4. petroglyph
    petroglyph 17 December 2022 17: 48
    +3
    It is impossible to defeat Ukraine by capturing cities. There are too many victims among the civilian population and ours. You can only force surrender through the destruction of manpower and equipment at the front, when the losses are already unacceptable. But the most important thing is the destruction of the entire energy infrastructure, so that the entire industry, not only the military, collapses. Moreover, you can put forward an ultimatum before delivering a "decisive blow"
    1. invisible_man
      invisible_man 17 December 2022 18: 07
      0
      Your words - yes, Shoigu would have been in the ears a year ago.
      1. bayard
        bayard 17 December 2022 23: 17
        +2
        The ears of this 0 * sl @ yes to the Museum of Trojan History.
    2. opuonmed
      opuonmed 17 December 2022 18: 55
      +1
      well, don’t forget lend-lease + training of soldiers in NATO and that in this way we get a long conflict who has more resources and military superiority and in technical terms he wins! in fact, in order to win, you need to equate the cities not all in a row, but those that have strategic value and destroy the watered force and all the leaders! and ordinary people can not be reformatted immediately, but you can! out in ukrr for 8 years they reformatted everyone who was for the Russian Federation, they put them in jail, they killed them and imposed Russophobia! Well, either I'm wrong in everything! what do you think?
      1. invisible_man
        invisible_man 17 December 2022 19: 30
        +6
        Personally, I think that if we are put into a stupor by two dozen "Himers" and any "lend-lease" rubbish of the 70s, it is better to forget about any clashes with real NATO.
        1. opuonmed
          opuonmed 17 December 2022 20: 01
          +3
          Quote from invisible_man
          it is better to forget about any clashes with real NATO.

          in a collision with NATO there will be a nuclear war, there are no other options, and NATO understands this and the Russian Federation! so there will be no direct clash with NATO !!
          1. invisible_man
            invisible_man 17 December 2022 20: 46
            +4
            Aren't you afraid that most of our missiles with nuclear warheads are just as "paper" as 1,5 million Ratnik sets?
            1. opuonmed
              opuonmed 17 December 2022 20: 57
              +1
              Quote from invisible_man
              Aren't you afraid that most of our missiles with nuclear warheads are just as "paper" as 1,5 million Ratnik sets?

              I really hope not! rather, I’m 99% sure that everything is fine with nuclear missiles, and the current is 1%, I admit that they are paper!
              1. invisible_man
                invisible_man 17 December 2022 21: 52
                +1
                I wouldn't be so optimistic if I were you.
                1. opuonmed
                  opuonmed 17 December 2022 22: 00
                  0
                  Quote from invisible_man
                  I wouldn't be so optimistic if I were you.

                  this is your personal opinion! I have another! why do you have such an opinion about nuclear deterrence forces? no matter how current, thanks to nuclear forces, the elites of the Russian Federation have a future! like the US elites, there is a future thanks to nuclear forces! at this stage of development! but then a new weapon and a new concept are possible!
                  1. bayard
                    bayard 17 December 2022 23: 18
                    +1
                    Quote: opuonmed
                    why do you have such an opinion about nuclear deterrence forces?

                    This is his hope.
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                    2. karabas-barabas
                      karabas-barabas 18 December 2022 22: 41
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                      Let's say the situation with nuclear weapons is an exception and parity with NATO for all kinds of warheads. But there is another problem, a multiple opportunity for NATO to deliver its warheads, unlike the Russian Federation, which, apart from heavy ICBMs, has little choice, since the submarines are closed in bays, as it happened geographically for Russia, and to launch ICBMs, boats need to leave the bays and reach the line launch, behind each such boat since the times of the USSR they have grazed, and now even more so. The aviation component is also not something that will help against NATO, a pair of Tu-160s, a pair of Tu-95s, Tu-22s .. how long these machines will live from the beginning of the war, even Vanga does not know. NATO and without Ukraine near the borders of the Russian Federation, and from the possible positions of nuclear weapons of the Russian Federation to the nearest important targets at least 1000 km, such as Berlin. The Russian Federation will be forced to work only with BR and KR, while NATO will connect all of its aircraft, and one salvo of the US 6th Fleet in the Mediterranean is about 900 KR with a range of 2500 km. For a nuclear war with NATO, 5th generation aircraft are very much needed, both fighters and bombers, those same Su57 and PAK DA brought to mind in the amount of 1000+ aircraft, which the United States has F-35 (and tailless 6th is on the way) B2 and B21 Rider. These aircraft are needed to penetrate deeper into enemy territory and hit targets with numerous, high-precision charges. In short, for a nuclear war with NATO, one must also be prepared, because it is not instantaneous, I see no prospects for Russia in such a war, and I see no point in such a war.
                      1. bayard
                        bayard 20 December 2022 15: 40
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                        Quote: karabas-barabas
                        Let's say the situation with nuclear weapons is an exception and parity with NATO for all kinds of warheads. But there is another problem, NATO’s multiple opportunity to deliver its warheads, unlike the Russian Federation, which has little choice other than heavy ICBMs,

                        smile The Russian Federation has just a much greater choice in this than the United States. And today, by no means heavy ICBMs are the main striking / deterrent force. The TMBR now has no more than 30% of all strategic warheads.
                        What are the rest on?
                        On light ICBMs of the Topol, Topol-M and Yars types. At the same time, some of them are on the database in mine launch complexes (where the Stilettos Ur-100UTTKh used to be), and the other part on the PGRK. And believe me, it is much more diverse than in the USA yes which are armed with only very (!) Old "Minutemen" produced in the early (!) 70s of the PAST century. bully
                        And that’s it. request
                        Let's continue about the marine component of our triads.
                        The United States has the Trident-2 SLBM (a very successful missile) on very old Ohio SSBNs, which are not only in a rather deplorable technical condition, but also in their best years did not have the technical ability to launch more than 4 missiles in one salvo . And after each such volley, she (Ohio) needed time to put herself in order and prepare for a new volley.
                        Reason?
                        A serious miscalculation of the strengths, a weak body, which, when trying more launches at a time, can simply break. This is a well - known but rarely published fact .
                        Quote: karabas-barabas
                        it happened geographically for Russia, and to launch ICBMs, boats need to leave the bays and reach the launch line,

                        smile And why such categorical conclusions? smile
                        If since the 90s it was customary for our SSBNs to save money and resources, to be on duty with a readiness to shoot "from the pier". yes Full salvo. bully And they need to go to sea in order to SURVIVE the first phase of a nuclear war, and after the first exchange of strikes and additional reconnaissance of the surviving enemy targets, inflict a second (or third - after the PGRK) crushing blow.
                        To understand the capabilities of our SSBNs (aka SSBNs) - back in the 80s, it was calculated that ONE full salvo of Dolphin-type SSBNs (16 Sineva SLBMs) ​​destroys 70% of the US economic potential. Therefore, at least two such SSBNs were constantly on duty. And the famous "Sharks" had a multiple strike potential (20 Typhoon SLBMs, 10 AP each).
                        So in case of an alarm, our missile carriers will simply shoot straight from the bases, and those that will be on duty (at least 2) will survive the first wave and take revenge in the second or third.
                        Quote: karabas-barabas
                        The aviation component is also not something that is against NATO

                        If you are talking about strategists, then I would not say so.
                        We have no less long-range bombers than the United States, but rather a little more. In addition, our Long-Range Aviation fleet is significantly younger than such a fleet in the USA. So if they are still based on the old B-52s, the production of which ended in 1962, then our oldest Tu-95MS were produced at the turn of the late 70s, and until the end of the 80s. Moreover, almost all of them have undergone modernization, replacement of engines, propellers, avionics, and all are carriers of the X-101 \ 102 CRBD.
                        Quote: karabas-barabas
                        pair of Tu-160

                        Eighteen, and their production has been resumed, so they will build another 20 to 50 units.
                        Quote: karabas-barabas
                        a pair of Tu-95,

                        About 60 units.
                        Quote: karabas-barabas
                        Tu-22..

                        Order 60 - 62 pcs.
                        In the aggregate, the United States (B-52, B-1B, B-2) is even somewhat smaller, and their technical condition is ... somewhat worse.
                        Age. request
                        Quote: karabas-barabas
                        how long these cars will live from the beginning of the war, even Vanga does not know.

                        How long will airfields capable of receiving them live. And these are not only military airfields, but also any airport in the country, turned into a "reserve airfield", with the possibility of refueling, rearmament, maintenance.
                        Quote: karabas-barabas
                        NATO and without Ukraine near the borders of the Russian Federation

                        But this is serious, that's why all the cheese is boron.
                        Quote: karabas-barabas
                        from possible positions of nuclear weapons of the Russian Federation to the nearest important targets at least 1000 km, such as Berlin.

                        Not at all, the Iskanders from Kaliningrad are quite enough, and with the staffing of the Iskander brigades the TPU for the grounded Calibers, so the whole of Europe is at hand. The RF Armed Forces have 12 such missile brigades. And then there are "Daggers" on the MiG-31K with a range of 2000 - 2500 km. for which air defense and missile defense are generally on the drum ... Turkish.
                        So for the European, Mediterranean and Far Eastern theater of operations, we have quite enough forces and means of a non-strategic nature.
                        Quote: karabas-barabas
                        , and one salvo of the 6th US Fleet in the Mediterranean is about 900 KR with a range of 2500 km.

                        In fact, they officially do not have such missiles in service. They are prohibited by treaties. Yes, and so many "Axes" in one salvo they will not succeed in any way with sieves of the 6th fleet.
                        If such a salvo occurs, then fighter aircraft will be lifted into the air, which is the best antidote for the CD. And our air defense as a whole is much better than that of the combined NATO.
                        Quote: karabas-barabas
                        A nuclear war with NATO really needs 5th generation aircraft

                        Very? belay
                        And I'm sorry, WHY?
                        To counter enemy aircraft and missile defense systems, air defense systems and fighters of the 4 ++ generation (quality of radars and explosive missiles) are quite enough, and to strike deep into their territory there are KRBD, Iskander, Dagger complexes ... why should manned aircraft appear over the territory enemy ... in a nuclear war?
                        Quote: karabas-barabas
                        brought to mind Su57 and PAK DA in the amount of 1000+ aircraft

                        The Su-57 must first be brought to mind - so that with new engines and a new Belka SLBM. Then yes - in a series, maybe even hundreds of three. The rest of the mass will be made up of promising Su-75s, if we wait for them.
                        And as air defense fighters, the same Su-35S, Su-30SM2 and even the MiG-31 will do just fine.
                        Quote: karabas-barabas
                        These aircraft are needed to penetrate deeper into enemy territory and hit targets with numerous, high-precision charges.

                        lol NOBODY will dare to do this today (to penetrate deep into our air defense). This is suitable against an enemy with a weak, old air defense, and so ... peck at the border areas.
                        For strikes in depth, there are CRBD and BRSD (in our case, "Dagger").
                        Quote: karabas-barabas
                        In short, for a nuclear war with NATO, you must also be ready

                        yes Who would doubt that .
    3. karabas-barabas
      karabas-barabas 18 December 2022 21: 57
      0
      Without the use of aviation and carpet bombing, it will hardly be possible to achieve the surrender of the Ukrainians, and the Ukrainians have learned to cope with the periodic missile-shahed attacks on the energy supply. They were supplied with a huge mass of generators, from micro to huge ones, spare parts for repairing beaten stations, and so they are coping on the sly. And you can’t stock up on missiles, especially since only a couple of types are really high-precision and each costs like a power plant.
      1. nickname7
        nickname7 19 December 2022 08: 46
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        Without the use of aviation and carpet bombing, it is unlikely that it will be possible to achieve the surrender of Ukrainians

        The US tactic in Iraq was, in a collision with defense nodes, to roll back and send flocks of bombers destroying nodes from afar, by the way, we are contemptuous of this tactic
        1. karabas-barabas
          karabas-barabas 19 December 2022 11: 47
          0
          Well, in Iraq in 2003, it was the United States that used the unparalleled "network-centric war" at that time, while the Iraqi army acted in the old fashioned way, with regiments and divisions, a clumsy command structure compared to the American one. So entire divisions were left without coordination and commands from above, in fact they were blind and they were forced to surrender.
  5. Vasilyevich Pensioner
    Vasilyevich Pensioner 17 December 2022 18: 07
    0
    Arestovich: According to the results of the meeting between Putin and Lukashenko in Minsk, there will be no immediate offensive of the Belarusian and Russian armies on Kyiv

    Ukrainian general: Russian army may again attack Kyiv from the north
    Who will bet on whom?
    1. Jean Baptiste
      Jean Baptiste 18 December 2022 11: 52
      0
      To the aristovitch! In terms of predicting tactical events and their outcomes, he is a true leader. And those Forces that are concentrated in Belarus are not comparable with those that were, I tell you 100prts. Everything that goes to Belarus is incomparable with those columns and night echelons that passed me in the spring
  6. And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 17 December 2022 18: 15
    0
    This war is looking more and more like a swamp. Another Afghanistan.
  7. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 17 December 2022 19: 03
    +3
    "Take" Kyiv in the near future? Yes, this is bullshit! 3 million population! Huge urban area! Fortifications ... numerous well-trained and armed garrison! And what problems will the capture of Kuev city solve? "Automatic" surrender of Krajina will not bring it! It is necessary to first take all the regional centers of the "central" Krajina ... and not necessarily by assault! It is possible through the blockade! And then arrange a blockade of Kuev, having cleared the rear! Do not let anyone in, but let out only the civilian population with filtration!
    1. smart ass
      smart ass 17 December 2022 19: 36
      +1
      How much manpower is needed to surround Kyiv and regional centers?)))
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 18 December 2022 05: 34
        -1
        Quote: Clever man
        How much manpower is needed to surround Kyiv and regional centers?)))

        Do not rush! This must be done at the same time! fool
    2. bayard
      bayard 17 December 2022 23: 34
      0
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      And what problems will the capture of Kuev city solve?

      Capturing the capital of the enemy, establishing a new government there, providing the population with an Alternative.
      An assault is preferable to a blockade. Decisive, tough assault according to ALL the rules of war. Without sentiment. Like the storming of Berlin.
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      It is necessary to first take all the regional centers of the "central" Krajina ... and not necessarily by assault! It is possible through the blockade!

      Commercials, my friend, you need at least 3 million for the NWO group. Do you imagine this circus?
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      arrange a blockade of Kuev, having cleared the rear

      Kyiv is in the north, our rears on our territory (!) will be closer than Kharkov, Lvov, Dnepropetrovsk, and even more so Odessa. You can't imagine a stronger rear.
      But by depriving the Nazis of their capital, their homeland of "Maidan" and the main administrative center, while quickly, harshly and decisively, we will break the will of the Nazis to resist. Soon after that, their western neighbors will rush to grab their "historical estates" until our troops approach.
      How long do you think, after the capture of Kyiv, Kharkov, occupied by the Nazis, will last long?
      And the Donbass group, having lost supplies, management and replenishment?
      Think of the rest yourself.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 18 December 2022 00: 41
        +2
        "But depriving the Nazis of their capital," ///
        ---
        1) wooded area, convenient for ambushes
        anti-tank and mortar groups.
        2) total 2 supply highways.
        Already passed it in March-April.
        With difficulty - a quick march to the north - managed to avoid
        encirclement of the Russian group near Kyiv.
        And - again on the same rake?
        1. bayard
          bayard 18 December 2022 01: 01
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          Quote: voyaka uh
          And - again on the same rake?

          Then near Kyiv there were 30 thousand "hodgepodge", against 100 thousand, not counting those who remained in the rear and carried out a calm mobilization and began to partisan. The whole problem was in the prohibitively insufficient outfit of forces. Without the second echelon, clearing and controlling the rear, checkpoints on supply lines, clearing cities from the enemy’s territorial defense, without (!!) disarming it ... You can’t think of doing it on purpose. And the authors of these wonderful plans have yet to be taken to the court of History for plush Faberge.
          If a grouping of 300 thousand is now involved (and this is quite realistic), then I see no problems in resolving the issues described above. In February-March, 100 thousand were enough in this direction.
          Quote: voyaka uh
          again on the same rake?

          Well, why on the same, it is possible with variations. I have a few more interesting solutions, but for now I won’t write about it.
          Quote: voyaka uh
          wooded area suitable for ambush

          In winter, forests are not as hidden as in spring and summer.
          Yes, you can also do logging along the roads - to ensure security in the rear. Moreover, this time there will definitely not be such cavalry throws of "headless horsemen" as in February.
          1. nickname7
            nickname7 19 December 2022 09: 35
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            bayard
            The whole problem was in the prohibitively insufficient outfit of forces. No second tier

            The Kremlin did not want to fight, but wanted to scare and arrange a coup d'état. By the way, it was possible to scare, the panic in Bandershtat rose notable, Ze, from horror, almost had a stroke, he had to take a coconut. laughing In principle, the coup d'etat is a good decision, but it had to be done in 14.

            bayard
            So cheat - you can’t think of it on purpose

            It seems that the analysts warned that the coup would not work, the guarantor did not heed the arguments of the analysts, throwing out the reports, he took the easy path, making a strategic mistake.
            1. bayard
              bayard 20 December 2022 15: 56
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              Quote: nickname7
              The Kremlin did not want to fight, but wanted to scare and arrange a coup d'état

              I wrote about this many times. but to frighten a hedgehog with a bare ass is still a pleasure. The hedgehog is not plush.
              Quote: nickname7
              The coup d'état is a good decision, but it had to be done in the year 14.

              Then it was enough to support the legitimate president at HIS URGENT REQUEST (set out publicly and in writing).
              Quote: nickname7
              the guarantor did not heed the arguments of the analysts, throwing out the reports, took the easy way

              He is responsible for all this - both in the face of History and in the elections.
      2. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 18 December 2022 06: 20
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        Quote: bayard
        Capturing the capital of the enemy, establishing a new government there

        Long gone are the days when the capture of the capital meant "automatic" capitulation! The Americans will take Zelensky and his "sharashka" somewhere in time ... for example, to Poland, and will order everyone to recognize the "government in exile" and only him!



        Quote: bayard
        Decisive, tough assault according to ALL the rules of war. Without sentiment. Like storming Berlin .

        But at the same time, you forgot the assault on Stalingrad by the 6th army of Paulus! When this army tore its navel in Stalingrad!
        Quote: bayard
        Kyiv is in the north, our rears on our territory (!) will be closer than Kharkov, Lvov, Dnepropetrovsk, and even more so Odessa. You can't imagine a stronger rear

        What did you come up with? And how hastily had to leave, for example, the Chernihiv region, again forgotten? (It was supposed to capture Chernigov on the move and ... to Kyiv! But it didn’t happen! In Chernigov, although inferior in number to the advancing grouping, there was a well-trained and motivated garrison! It was not possible to take Chernigov on the move! I had to bypass! the garrison did not sit out in the city, but began to carry out active sorties, striking at the columns, on the flanks and rear of the Russian troops, while inflicting heavy losses on these troops! noticed Voyak ...), if they had not hastily "showed a humanitarian act", draping from there!
        Quote: bayard
        But by depriving the Nazis of their capital, their homeland "Maidan" and the main administrative center, while quickly, harshly and decisively, we will break the will of the Nazis to resist

        You have to repeat again! Long gone are the days when the capture of the capital meant "automatic" capitulation! German troops in 1941 rushed to Moscow, counting on everything that you said here ... and Stalin was preparing a "second Moscow" in Kuibyshev ... the next "decision-making center"! And Napoleon counted on a lot by taking Moscow, but what did he get in the end?
        1. bayard
          bayard 18 December 2022 13: 05
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          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          Long gone are the days when the capture of the capital meant "automatic" capitulation! The Americans will take Zelensky and his "sharashka" somewhere in time ... for example, to Poland, and will order everyone to recognize the "government in exile" and only him!

          And after the capture, we will bring Azarov to Kyiv smile , in vain was it shown on the news yesterday?
          So what ?
          And there will be an alternative. For the rest of the population.
          And Nikola Yanovich left a good memory of himself, and a highly literate husband.
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          But at the same time, you forgot the assault on Stalingrad by the 6th army of Paulus! When this army tore its navel in Stalingrad!

          Hey, no need to rush. Remember the conversation of two bulls on a hill (from a joke). Any worthwhile business needs solidity. And there will be no more of those - February cavalry throws of "headless horsemen". Now, concern for sustainable rear areas and reliable logistics is a concern in the first place.
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          And how hastily had to leave, for example, the Chernihiv region, again forgotten? (It was supposed to capture Chernigov on the move and ... to Kyiv! But it didn’t happen! In Chernigov, although inferior in number to the advancing grouping, there was a well-trained and motivated garrison!

          So . yes
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          The Chernihiv garrison did not sit out in the city, but began to carry out active sorties, striking at the columns, on the flanks and rear of the Russian troops, while inflicting heavy losses on these troops!

          Correctly . yes And from here what is the conclusion?
          Chernihiv must be taken and become the logistics center of the advancing group. As taken, all occupied territories must be under control.
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          , if they had not hastily "showed a humanitarian act", draping from there!

          In fact, prudence was shown (albeit belatedly) - a 30-strong group, and with such a margin from the supply bases, and having a 100-strong group against itself only in Kyiv, not counting the partisan groups in the rear ... But this time there will be not 30 thousand combined hodgepodge. And do not run back and forth past enemy cities. It will be according to the commandments of the Old Bull (from a joke).
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          You have to repeat again! Long gone are the days when the capture of the capital meant "automatic" capitulation!

          But who is talking about surrender, and even "automatic" talk?
          We are talking about taking the largest administrative, logistics and industrial center not far from our borders.
          What do you think, when such a movement begins, how will it affect the stamina and combat effectiveness of the Donbass group? Where will the reserves and main supply go? And will it give opportunities for changes for the better already in this theater of operations?
          Did you take into account the moral effect?
          Even if Kyiv is not taken, and the troops simply approach the dagger distance? Which front will then be the main one for them?
          And how much Donbass can be plowed into rubble when there are such wonderful cities as Kyiv, Chernihiv, Sumy, Zhytomyr? Don't you think that such a shift in the center of application of efforts is more justified from all sides. And eminently fair?
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          Napoleon counted on a lot by taking Moscow, but what did he get in the end?

          The capital was then in Saint Petersburg. And Moscow is just a big provincial city.
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          Stalin was preparing a "second Moscow" in Kuibyshev.

          Yes, let Zelensky prepare a "new capital" even in Lviv, even in Ivano-Frankivsk lol to there from Belarus is also not far.
          And in the end, Russia needs a good buffer in the adjacent territories in order to exclude shelling of the Belgorod, Voronezh and other regions adjacent to the former Ukraine.
          You need to eat a pig "in pieces", but bite decisively and chew thoroughly. This process will definitely not be fast.
  8. Fangaro
    Fangaro 17 December 2022 19: 23
    +1
    How interesting...
    Now the commanders-in-chief of Ukraine participate in telethons.
    First North, now South (although what does the South have to do with it?)
    It remains to hear the commander of the Center group.
    And there will be an oil painting.
    Did the Armed Forces of Ukraine decide to name the directions of actions of their troops in the same way as other armed forces 80 years ago? When against all the Soviet people, and those who lived in Ukraine, the Nazi invader troops waged a war of annihilation.
  9. Roust
    Roust 17 December 2022 19: 42
    0
    Waiting, forelock anti-Russians!!??... Give, God Almighty, we will come. And God forbid, will and reason to give the Order of the Commander-in-Chief for this. We are waiting. But our patience is not endless. Either we or they.
  10. iouris
    iouris 17 December 2022 20: 07
    0
    The probability is 50%: either it will or it won't.
  11. Viktoriya Che
    Viktoriya Che 17 December 2022 20: 14
    -2
    Yes, everyone sane already understands the plans ... the world on less painful conditions .. Kharkov was not taken at the beginning and that was already a catalyst .. I deeply doubt that there will be enough strength for Slavyansk .... Kherson has already been given away, get ready that they will tell you that the goals have been achieved ... my opinion is a complete failure of the General Staff of the Russian Federation ..... well, you yourself know who ....
  12. glock-17
    glock-17 17 December 2022 20: 55
    -2
    It is clearly necessary to storm such a metropolis as Kyiv more than 200 thousand bayonets. Especially when the enemy had more than enough time to prepare him for defense. Air defense is also not suppressed and aviation will not give advantages. Artemovsk has not been able to take for how long, and then Kyiv.
    1. Oleg Ogorod
      Oleg Ogorod 17 December 2022 21: 25
      +1
      Donetsk region cannot be released for 9 months. Just as they fired at Donetsk with artillery, they still shoot. What kukuev? No matter how our commanders leveled the front to the borders of the Kursk, Belgorod, Voronezh, Rostov regions.
  13. hugoborz
    hugoborz 18 December 2022 04: 53
    0
    Maybe the best option is to move along the Dnieper harmfully destroying bridges. And the right bank is only missiles.
  14. iouris
    iouris 18 December 2022 12: 42
    0
    Under Poroshenko, the defense minister spoke of an offensive from the north-south (or from the south-north).