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Ministry of Defense: During yesterday's missile strikes, Ukrainian air defense used up resources due to false targets launched by the Russian Armed Forces

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Ministry of Defense: During yesterday's missile strikes, Ukrainian air defense used up resources due to false targets launched by the Russian Armed Forces

Interesting details of yesterday's massive rocket attack on Ukraine were revealed in today's report by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. It turns out that yesterday the Russian Armed Forces used a new tactic. Its essence is that not only live shells, but also so-called decoys were fired at enemy rear facilities. Trying to shoot them down, Ukrainian and Western air defense systems used up a significant resource of ammunition. In addition, Russian detection systems revealed the positions and destroyed four radar stations of the Ukrainian S-300 air defense systems in the Dnipropetrovsk and Zaporozhye regions.


Missiles with warheads also achieved their goals. As a result of yesterday's strike, the transfer of ammunition provided to Kyiv by the Western allies was disrupted. The transfer of reinforcements of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to the front line has also been stopped. A number of Ukrainian enterprises for the production and repair of weapons, military equipment and ammunition stopped their work. As always, Ukrainian energy facilities have also been hit, which even the Kyiv authorities are forced to report.

The Russian military department stressed that the damage to civilian infrastructure, which Kyiv propaganda makes so much noise about, was caused due to the unprofessional actions of Ukrainian air defense crews.

I wonder what the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will say to this now, where they promptly reported that almost all Russian missiles were shot down? Yes, and residential buildings in the cities of Ukraine, it turns out, were indeed hit by S-300 missiles. Only now, not Russian, as they say in Kyiv, but Ukrainian.

At this time, on the front line, the Russian army continues to develop success in the Donetsk direction, occupying more and more new positions of the retreating militants of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. It should be noted that the enemy does not leave attempts to counterattack, but they all end the same way. Thus, in the areas of the settlements of Bakhmutskoe and Opytnoe DPR, the counteroffensive of Ukrainian militants was stopped by the fire of our artillery and counter actions of assault groups, the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine amounted to more than 30 servicemen. Two Ukrainian DRGs were found and destroyed near Novomayorsky and Shevchenko.

On the Krasno-Limansky sector of the front, a preemptive strike was inflicted on enemy reserves in the area of ​​​​the settlement of Kolodezi of the Donetsk Republic. The losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine amounted to up to 30 militants killed and wounded, two armored combat vehicles and the same number of pickup trucks. In the Kupyansk area aviation, rocket and cannon artillery of the Russian Armed Forces hit the temporary deployment point of the 14th mechanized brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and 53 artillery units in firing positions. Another point of temporary deployment of foreign mercenaries is covered near Krasny Liman.

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  1. Maz
    Maz 17 December 2022 16: 29
    +54
    The effect was such that we all ate fish soup indiscriminately throughout the region, and without exception and apartment by apartment throughout the entire region, because for the first time immediately after the raid, which lasted two hours and a half from 8 to 10:30 in the morning, the light first fell, then the water in the tap died, after that, the mobile Internet went somewhere, and the mobile connection immediately threw back its fins literally with a break of minutes. And it was so fucking bad that the windows were trembling 40 km from the place of work. From only this morning, it partially worked. I counted at least a dozen arrivals and such good ones, don't worry mom. Consequences, Sedna all day they turn off, then water, then light, then communication in some kind of demonic sequence is on the verge of failure. What kind of air defense is there in the ass, figs they shot down there. let them not trend
    1. 4ekist
      4ekist 17 December 2022 18: 29
      +5
      It turns out that yesterday the Russian Armed Forces used a new tactic. Its essence is that not only live shells, but also so-called decoys were fired at enemy rear facilities.

      This tactic of attacking Ukrainian targets has already been proposed by military experts at the Military Review. We continue to hammer.
      1. Argon
        Argon 18 December 2022 01: 14
        +11
        They also offered to collect scadas and dots-y ready for disposal all over the country and shoot them. Let them shoot down, and if they miss it, then it's normal ...)))
      2. Rage66
        Rage66 19 December 2022 11: 46
        +4
        The forelocks already had such a win.
        Russian empty rockets are launched because the explosives are over.
        Now they start to suspect soldier
    2. Clear
      Clear 17 December 2022 20: 28
      +11
      Quote: Maz
      What kind of air defense is there in the ass, figs they shot down there. let them not trend

      As one of our prominent politicians said, "There is no air defense, but you hold on, and all the best to you!" winked
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 18 December 2022 00: 36
        +6
        Quote: Clear
        As one of our prominent politicians said, "There is no air defense, but you hold on, and all the best to you!"

        laughing
    3. Maz
      Maz 18 December 2022 12: 38
      +1
      Quote: Maz
      The effect was such that we all ate fish soup indiscriminately throughout the region, and without exception and apartment by apartment throughout the entire region, because for the first time immediately after the raid, which lasted two hours and a half from 8 to 10:30 in the morning, the light first fell, then the water in the tap died, after that, the mobile Internet went somewhere, and the mobile connection immediately threw back its fins literally with a break of minutes. And it was so fucking bad that the windows were trembling 40 km from the place of work. From only this morning, it partially worked. I counted at least a dozen arrivals and such good ones, don't worry mom. Consequences, Sedna all day they turn off, then water, then light, then communication in some kind of demonic sequence is on the verge of failure. What kind of air defense is there in the ass, figs they shot down there. let them not trend

      This is what came to us and the region was completely de-energized -
      Dnepropetrovsk: the Prydniprovska thermal power plant was repeatedly attacked. Presumably, the Dneprovskaya CHPP in Dneprodzerzhinsk (Kamenskoye) and the Pavlogradskaya 330kV substation were hit.
      Light in the Dnepropetrovsk region has not yet been restored. The energy system of Dnepropetrovsk itself was badly damaged as a result of previous strikes.
      For the first time, a state of emergency was declared in the country due to the situation in the electric power industry.
    4. BigMaxMack
      BigMaxMack 19 December 2022 11: 52
      -3
      When you write this, at least specify the details. In Vladivostok, are all shutdowns according to plan, or did you mix up the noise of the sea with air defense?
  2. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 17 December 2022 16: 36
    +8
    The text should be more precise. The damage was done due to the non-professional algorithm of NATO's actions against cruise missiles. Targeting by NATO did not lead to a positive result.
    1. Fisherman
      Fisherman 18 December 2022 00: 34
      +9
      the damage was also done thanks to a new tactic: a day before the strike at night, they hit Gerani’s targets, which at night only shoot down air defenses from radars, and you can’t shoot down - you can get 50 kilos of explosives into objects without comme il faut. So ours opened the radar, hitting them the next day with special missiles and detecting false targets, and missiles for large objects went along trajectories that were explored clean of air defense. Here dill lost 4 radars per day, and the old Soviet air defense with Western radars will not work anymore. In addition, on one of the sectors of the front, the military correspondents reported that our missilemen also destroyed a couple of Buk and one S-300 on that day of the strike. So the task of destroying enemy air defense is successfully combined with the destruction of objects - there is no electricity in many front-line sectors and they are sorely lacking fuel for generation and transport.
    2. Alex777
      Alex777 18 December 2022 00: 40
      +3
      There were a lot of interesting things in this raid.
      And the US UAV was late for distribution.
      And about "false targets" appeared infa.
      And we started using Gerani PRL.
  3. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 17 December 2022 16: 37
    +21
    Opening 4 radar stations turned out to be a good result. A couple of such results and it will be possible to work quietly to the fullest with aviation.
    1. Andy_nsk
      Andy_nsk 17 December 2022 16: 57
      +16
      Opening 4 radar stations turned out to be a good result. A couple of such results and it will be possible to work quietly to the fullest with aviation.

      yes, about three hundred - the most pleasant news, but doubts gnaw at me that all four complexes will no longer resume work. Well, then the non-brothers do not have 12 air defense systems in the balance, much more, so it will not be possible to close the issue with a couple of blows. Work, brothers, we must finish off the Nazis, there is no other way!
      1. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 17 December 2022 17: 15
        +11
        I don’t know how many air defense systems they have left, but I’m sure that there aren’t so many, but the S-300 is definitely a unit. The air defense system cannot work without its radars, it is a pile of metal, the question of course is what kind of radars are they, surveillance or illumination and guidance. But in any case, a new gap appeared in Ukraine's air defense system yesterday.
        1. Incvizitor
          Incvizitor 17 December 2022 23: 04
          0
          There are fshak avaks nearby anyway.
    2. 4ekist
      4ekist 17 December 2022 18: 35
      0
      Herman 4223 ... A couple more of these results and it will be possible to work with aviation calmly to its fullest.

      Hmmm, do not forget about the large arsenal of MANPADS in the air. In addition, Avaks are constantly hanging in the skies of Poland, Romania.
      1. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 17 December 2022 18: 58
        +5
        MANPADS are almost useless at altitudes above 4 km. And AWACS must have a direct connection with air defense in order to be of use to them. And most importantly, they should hang relatively close to the line of contact and not 500 km + as it is now, at such a distance there will be little sense even if there is a connection.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 18 December 2022 00: 07
          +7
          The Armed Forces fully understood the meaning of the last shelling: to open and then attack the air defense.
          Russians launch decoys, Ukrainians from the very beginning of the SVO put up air defense mock-ups (That's why it has survived so far).
          Military tricks are used from two sides ...
          1. Comet
            Comet 19 December 2022 11: 15
            +1
            Quote: voyaka uh
            The Armed Forces fully understood the meaning of the last shelling: to open and then attack the air defense.
            Russians launch decoys, Ukrainians from the very beginning of the SVO put up air defense mock-ups (That's why it has survived so far).
            Military tricks are used from two sides ...

            In the air defense layout it is impossible to imitate the BOTTOM GL.
      2. Sasha Koblov
        Sasha Koblov 18 December 2022 13: 44
        -1
        If they hang and work against Russia, then they must be shot down. They do not recognize the new territories as Russian, and we may not recognize all Western bases as American .....
    3. Pantsuy
      Pantsuy 18 December 2022 13: 41
      -1
      It would be nice to fully open the entire air defense system of Ukraine. But the question is - how to do it? It is still unclear what kind of false targets these are? Are they really the same missiles, but without a warhead? This is absurd. This means that there must be some kind of special rocket traps, simulators. But for some reason we didn’t hear anything about them at all, if we have such weapons? The Azerbaijanis even launched the AN-2 in unmanned mode in order to detect the Armenian air defense, but what did we launch?
      It seems to me that the story of the launch of decoys is nothing more than a chatterbox.
      1. Comet
        Comet 19 December 2022 11: 16
        -1
        Quote: Pantsuy
        This means that there must be some kind of special rocket traps, simulators. But for some reason we didn’t hear anything about them at all, if we have such weapons?

        Why would you want to hear about them? Are you involved in decision making?
      2. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 19 December 2022 21: 10
        0
        We have it, and it has already been repeatedly used in our own, on the first day some of these were shot down and filmed by the Ukrainian side.
  4. voice of reason
    voice of reason 17 December 2022 16: 41
    +10
    These are those slow black big rockets that went over Kyiv? interesting, very interesting! And it seems that the DLRO aircraft from the Belarusian airspace worked.
  5. Bolt cutter
    Bolt cutter 17 December 2022 16: 41
    +15
    so-called decoys.
    At any seedy factory, you can build dozens of slightly modernized copies of the V-1 (in the 40s it was a miracle of engineering, and even then with a stretch - it was built from non-aviation materials by unskilled labor). Supply warheads with ammonal, a primitive on-board computer (mobile phone) - and forward, for anti-aircraft missiles worth a million euros. No European Union can afford such expenses.
    1. VSO-396
      VSO-396 17 December 2022 19: 55
      -5
      Well, at least the engine for this copy of the V-1, how much will it cost? Can you imagine?
      1. engineer74
        engineer74 17 December 2022 20: 07
        +5
        If the daizhok is like the original, then ~ 50000₽, and in a large series it is much cheaper hi
        Once it was considered wink
        1. highlight
          highlight 18 December 2022 12: 29
          +3
          in vain the theme of puvrd was abandoned. It provides a speed of 700-800 km / h, it is cheaply primitive and can be built at almost any engine building plant. P10x chelomeya is the most for massive strikes, when the zur will be more expensive than the target.
          1. Arisaka
            Arisaka 19 December 2022 03: 46
            +1
            Yes, maybe now they will open it again, since it can be piled in any garage if there is a welder. He launched a hundred and no air defense will survive.
    2. the most important
      the most important 17 December 2022 20: 41
      +5
      Quote: Bolt Cutter
      At any seedy factory, you can build dozens of slightly modernized copies of the V-1 (in the 40s it was a miracle of engineering, and even then with a stretch - it was built from non-aviation materials by unskilled labor). Supply warheads with ammonal, a primitive on-board computer (mobile phone) - and forward, for anti-aircraft missiles worth a million euros. No European Union can afford such expenses.

      It can be even easier. Attach reflectors to Geranium so that a bomber is visible on the radar screen and let them fire missiles at it for a million bucks at a target cost of three rubles.
      1. ROSS_51
        ROSS_51 18 December 2022 06: 12
        +8
        Quote: the most important
        Quote: Bolt Cutter
        At any seedy factory, you can build dozens of slightly modernized copies of the V-1 (in the 40s it was a miracle of engineering, and even then with a stretch - it was built from non-aviation materials by unskilled labor). Supply warheads with ammonal, a primitive on-board computer (mobile phone) - and forward, for anti-aircraft missiles worth a million euros. No European Union can afford such expenses.

        It can be even easier. Attach reflectors to Geranium so that a bomber is visible on the radar screen and let them fire missiles at it for a million bucks at a target cost of three rubles.

        What is Geranium's speed? Will the SB-2 type bomber be visible on the radar screen?
        1. Pantsuy
          Pantsuy 18 December 2022 13: 45
          0
          Quote: ROSS_51
          What is Geranium's speed? Will the SB-2 type bomber be visible on the radar screen?

          Then it would be necessary to collect the remaining "Swifts" and "Flights" in the bottom of the barrel and arrange a mass opening of air defense
  6. Pulkovo1942
    Pulkovo1942 17 December 2022 16: 42
    +5
    exposed positions and destroyed four radar stations of Ukrainian air defense systems S-300

    And the Ukrainian side indicated yesterday that the RF Armed Forces used 4 rockets X-59 and X-31P)))
    one shot one hit (c)
  7. Askold65
    Askold65 17 December 2022 16: 42
    +24
    Apparently, ours have switched from strikes on transformer substations to strikes on generating capacities. And this is another "calico". Or, as they said in certain circles in the 90s, let's agree on the bad, because the good will be worse ...
  8. Cat Alexandrovich
    Cat Alexandrovich 17 December 2022 16: 47
    -19
    "The transfer of ammunition is disrupted."
    So, they will be moved later.
    "Stopped the transfer of reinforcements."
    So, they will be transferred a little later.
    "A number of Ukrainian enterprises for the production and repair of weapons, military equipment and ammunition have stopped their work."
    So, they will resume in time.
    It's sad to read and write...
    1. Ded60
      Ded60 17 December 2022 16: 58
      +16
      "In some years you will die" - so why do you live and scribble here?
      1. Yngvar
        Yngvar 19 December 2022 12: 21
        0
        That's for sure! To live is generally harmful - they die from it! :)
    2. Andy_nsk
      Andy_nsk 17 December 2022 17: 00
      +9
      "A number of Ukrainian enterprises for the production and repair of weapons, military equipment and ammunition have stopped their work."
      So, they will resume in time.

      To restore the work of the enterprise, if it has been worked out with high quality, machines and other technologically complex equipment have been destroyed, workshops have been destroyed - this is not khukhur-mukhra, it takes a lot of time, it may not be enough until the very end of the SVO.
    3. Igool
      Igool 19 December 2022 04: 19
      0
      Quote: Cat Alexandrovich
      It's sad to read and write...



      “God gives a person not what he wants, but what he needs. Therefore, never ask: “for what?”, But think: “for what?”
      If not transferred or delivered today, it is not at all necessary that this will happen tomorrow. Tomorrow is often too late. No ammunition, no reinforcements - leaving positions for the regrouping of existing forces.
  9. sasha_cho
    sasha_cho 17 December 2022 16: 53
    +1
    Why warn the enemy about decoys
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 17 December 2022 17: 01
      +16
      Why warn the enemy about decoys
      So that later he considers real goals to be false.
    2. AVA77
      AVA77 17 December 2022 17: 01
      +5
      From where the enemy knows which are false and which are not. You still have to shoot down everything anyway.
      Let's say the first wave is false. They won't knock them down.
      Let them fly. winked
      1. PN
        PN 17 December 2022 18: 42
        0
        If the EPR and the speed of a true rocket and a false one are the same, then, as for me, it is extremely difficult to distinguish. What if they are different?
        1. Alf
          Alf 17 December 2022 20: 06
          +4
          Quote: PN
          If the EPR and the speed of a true rocket and a false one are the same, then, as for me, it is extremely difficult to distinguish. What if they are different?

          This is how false goals are made so that they do not differ from real ones.
          1. PN
            PN 17 December 2022 20: 10
            +1
            So the air defense officers have big problems)))
            Well, not ours. pah-pah-pah, so as not to jinx it
        2. solar
          solar 18 December 2022 00: 46
          -3
          If the EPR and the speed of a true rocket and a false one are the same

          they have almost the same price.
        3. Illanatol
          Illanatol 18 December 2022 09: 08
          0
          This can only mean that the enemy used a new means of destruction. What kind of "surprise" (in TNT equivalent) this "means" carries will become clear only after it hits the target.
    3. UAZ 452
      UAZ 452 17 December 2022 17: 05
      +4
      So rockets and drones are basically the same. Those that shot down are declared false, those that hit the target are true. So the Armed Forces of Ukraine can announce at least 99% of downed targets - which means that this is how many false ones were launched.
    4. novel66
      novel66 17 December 2022 17: 07
      +1
      Schaub then he thought, a hundred are false, but they are not false, and then again ...
    5. ASM
      ASM 17 December 2022 18: 40
      -7
      Yes, these are the cheapest blanks that simply produce fuel and fall. Once the first such blank is found, the use of decoys becomes an open secret.
      1. AVA77
        AVA77 17 December 2022 19: 37
        +2
        Quiet, don't tell anyone. The use of decoys is a terribly secret!
        Otherwise, everyone will guess everything. belay
        They will find, disassemble, steal all the secrets and find out that she is not real, but pretend wassat
      2. VSO-396
        VSO-396 17 December 2022 20: 03
        +2
        Quote from A.S.M.
        Yes, these are the cheapest blanks that simply produce fuel and fall. Once the first such blank is found, the use of decoys becomes an open secret.

        In order for this "cheapest blank" to imitate a rocket (speed, height, reflective area), it clearly must not be made of plywood, have a jet engine, and, probably, an inertial control system. You can guess the price.
        1. Pantsuy
          Pantsuy 18 December 2022 13: 49
          -1
          Quote: VSO-396
          In order for this "cheapest blank" to imitate a rocket (speed, height, reflective area), it clearly must not be made of plywood, have a jet engine, and, probably, an inertial control system. You can guess the price.

          Here I am about the same. What is the point of a false target if its cost is slightly less than a real missile? It is enough to fasten a warhead to this "false" goal - and let it fly, they won't shoot it down, so at least it will bring benefit in the form of a hit object.
      3. Alf
        Alf 17 December 2022 20: 08
        +2
        Quote from A.S.M.
        Once the first such blank is found, the use of decoys becomes an open secret.

        Well, they learn about the LC, so what? When hit, they will choose which is real and which is false? The false one only differs from the real one in that instead of the warhead there is cast iron (in a figurative sense). You sit on the CP and think, guess, which is real, and which is cast iron .... On it, the infection, it is not written ... You still have to bring down everyone.
        1. solar
          solar 18 December 2022 00: 44
          -4
          The false only differs from the real one in that instead of warheads, cast iron is

          And the meaning of such a false goal? It is almost the same price as the real thing.
          1. Alf
            Alf 18 December 2022 13: 46
            0
            Quote from solar
            It is almost the same price as the real one.

            Why do you think so ? If it was the same price, then there would be no point in it at all.
            1. solar
              solar 19 December 2022 01: 57
              -4
              therefore, I think that it makes no sense if the rocket and the decoy differ only in the warhead, which is not the most expensive part of the rocket. It’s easier to put warheads then and not use decoys at all
        2. Comet
          Comet 19 December 2022 11: 41
          0
          Quote: Alf
          The false one differs from the real one only in that instead of the warhead there is cast iron (in a figurative sense).

          No.
          1. Alf
            Alf 19 December 2022 17: 53
            0
            Quote: Comet
            Quote: Alf
            The false one differs from the real one only in that instead of the warhead there is cast iron (in a figurative sense).

            No.

            Then what's the difference?
            1. Comet
              Comet 19 December 2022 17: 57
              0
              In the very part where the combat one has explosives. The false one has some explosives only for self-destruction, the rest is "electronic brains". Cast iron is the last century.
  10. Konnick
    Konnick 17 December 2022 17: 01
    +8
    It turns out that yesterday the Russian Armed Forces used a new tactic. Its essence is that not only live shells, but also so-called decoys were fired at enemy rear facilities.

    Holy God ... less than ten months later ... guessed it
  11. Eduard_Adolfovich
    Eduard_Adolfovich 17 December 2022 17: 26
    +6
    Something similar happened in Afghanistan. Under the command of General Gromov, the 40th Army during the landing, parachute bags were dropped from the beginning, after that all firing points were suppressed, and then a real landing was dropped.
    1. frei67
      frei67 17 December 2022 17: 38
      +1
      they didn’t drop a real landing. in my opinion, since the 80s there has been a ban on landing in mountainous areas
  12. Petr_Koldunov
    Petr_Koldunov 17 December 2022 17: 46
    +4
    This is great information for a good mood on a Saturday evening ... only the fact that the ukrovermacht has any resources that they spend without counting is like an irreplaceable nickel! Today they have used up everything - tomorrow they will be given another composition of humanitarian aid from Ramstein's bounties sad
  13. RVAPatriot
    RVAPatriot 17 December 2022 17: 51
    +1
    Maybe off topic, over Minsk again 96 fly back and forth to Machulishchi, there were 7 flights in an hour
  14. And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 17 December 2022 18: 20
    +2
    Come on, did they really start to fight on tactics, more complicated than one-move? fellow
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 18 December 2022 03: 37
      0

      And Us Rat (My name is Legion, for there are many of us)
      Yesterday, 18: 20
      NEW
      +2
      Come on, did they really start to fight on tactics, more complicated than one-movers? fellow
      Oh, well, just the same criticism of the omniscient)) laughing esperdt from israel. Suck your "one-move" when water pipes fly from the same places, which David's pimples cannot bring down. wassat
      1. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 18 December 2022 04: 01
        -8
        Quote: aszzz888
        Oh right right

        Ba, got out, and I already hoped that you had passed away. laughing

        Quote: aszzz888
        suck it up

        Is this a recommendation from your rosy experience? lol

        Quote: aszzz888
        acne

        Worried? Go see a dermatologist. They say the polonium helps. fellow
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        2. aszzz888
          aszzz888 18 December 2022 04: 33
          +2

          And Us Rat (My name is Legion, for there are many of us)
          Today, 04:0 Ba, got out, and I was already hoping that you passed away. laughing..
          still don't hope. at your funeral, I'll "break more than one accordion!" laughing wassat laughing
          1. And Us Rat
            And Us Rat 18 December 2022 06: 55
            -2
            Quote: aszzz888
            at your funeral, I'll break more than one accordion!

            You're too old for that, dreamer. laughing
            You will cool off to life before I retire.
            The main thing is to make sure that your accordion is not broken, with people like you, this often happens. laughing
            1. aszzz888
              aszzz888 18 December 2022 08: 12
              -1
              And Us Rat (My name is Legion, for there are many of us)
              Today, 06:55 You're too old for that, dreamer. ..
              have you looked at my papers? you, izya, run into rudeness!
              everything, Izya, strive to offend!
              here in a day you are so full of somersaults,
              go to the Internet - there you sit!
              You would make an appointment, I will consider your question. I'll sign the pass, I'll be busy sitting in the reception, go to the buffet - it's free, except for red and black caviar, but even there the price is divine !, for your own! There are all sorts of tasty sandwiches, with pork. Sorry, izya, we don’t keep halal. Although, there are lollipops, you take it, you suck it - not a small one. (Sometimes I ask the deputy for household questions - why candy? Says psychologists advised, it calms the nerves!) The time will come, my nukers will let you through. Sorry if they break through) for any unnecessary pieces of iron. Send me a private message and I'll give you the address.
              1. And Us Rat
                And Us Rat 18 December 2022 17: 24
                -3
                Quote: aszzz888
                did you look at my papers?

                It will be necessary - I'll look, do not even doubt it. wink

                Quote: aszzz888
                strive to offend

                Are you one of those offended? Balakal would be human, you see, and you would be treated like a human. fellow

                Quote: aszzz888
                You would make an appointment, I will consider your question.

                Don't burst from CHSV, pot-bellied. laughing

                Quote: aszzz888
                my nukers

                Disposable, right? laughing

                Quote: aszzz888
                Send me a private message and I'll give you the address.

                You don't need it, save the button accordion. wink
                1. aszzz888
                  aszzz888 19 December 2022 01: 38
                  0
                  And Us Rat (My name is Legion, for there are many of us)
                  Yesterday, 17:24 it will be necessary - I'll look, don't even hesitate.

                  One croaked, but fell off the tree.
                  And yes, you stink too much. Go wash up. If there is water. wassat
                  1. And Us Rat
                    And Us Rat 19 December 2022 04: 36
                    -2
                    Quote: aszzz888
                    One croaked, but fell off the tree.

                    And it doesn't teach you anything, poor fellow. lol Look, you're screwing up. bully

                    Quote: aszzz888
                    And yes

                    You have a poor imagination, you offended. wink
  15. Bingo
    Bingo 17 December 2022 18: 54
    -2
    Well, as usual, Newton's third law worked - and they found the key in the screw. Someone expected another?
  16. Former soldier
    Former soldier 17 December 2022 19: 03
    +2
    Lots of decoys are a great move.
  17. ilya63
    ilya63 17 December 2022 19: 16
    0
    Here is the explanation of the video with a huge slowly flying over 404!!!
  18. dnestr74
    dnestr74 17 December 2022 19: 32
    +4
    Fuck .... Here every second one suggested hunting for a radar station during missile attacks ... They read us in the General Staff ... NICE
    1. highlight
      highlight 18 December 2022 12: 37
      +2
      Wow, it hasn't even been 11 months.
      you look at the second year they will begin to plan air offensive operations to destroy bridges and railway stations, preferably at the moment a worthy target arrives there.
  19. Carlos Hall
    Carlos Hall 17 December 2022 19: 34
    +1
    Great job. Good strategy. They received enormous damage.
  20. solar
    solar 17 December 2022 19: 55
    -1
    not only live shells were fired, but also so-called decoys.

    What are false targets?
  21. Egeny
    Egeny 17 December 2022 20: 12
    0
    Quote: Cat Alexandrovich
    It's sad to read and write...

    Yes, you are a pessimist, my friend.)
  22. Egeny
    Egeny 17 December 2022 20: 24
    0
    Quote: VSO-396
    You can guess the price.

    Saved on HF.)
  23. Sibiriya
    Sibiriya 17 December 2022 20: 33
    +2
    I am glad that a complex blow has been dealt. Both decoys and detection. Pleased.
  24. Keer
    Keer 18 December 2022 01: 11
    +2
    It is unfortunate that a huge fleet of single-engine aircraft from the USSR was sawn into nails, instead of being mothballed. In modern conditions, they would become unmanned kamikaze vehicles capable of overloading any air defense.
  25. Vladimir100
    Vladimir100 18 December 2022 01: 22
    -4
    Quote: VSO-396
    In order for this "cheapest blank" to imitate a rocket (speed, height, reflective area), it clearly must not be made of plywood, have a jet engine, and, probably, an inertial control system. You can guess the price.

    in the Russian military-industrial complex, the rule is to inflate prices for everything tenfold
  26. aszzz888
    aszzz888 18 December 2022 03: 34
    +2
    It turns out that yesterday the Russian Armed Forces used a new tactic. Its essence is that not only live shells, but also so-called decoys were fired at enemy rear facilities.
    good good good Too bad this hasn't been done before. It's a pity!!! You look, in an unnecessary long time ago, they would have gone for air defense with an outstretched hand. Although, they do it all the time.
  27. Mozdok 2017
    Mozdok 2017 18 December 2022 05: 11
    0
    It was necessary much earlier, when delivering missile strikes on the infrastructure of the dill, to use decoys. Keep it up, well done !!!
  28. tsvetahaki
    tsvetahaki 18 December 2022 06: 20
    +1
    Interesting, what are these "false targets"?
    It seems they should fly like missiles, shine on radar like missiles, maneuver like missiles - if this is a winged "false target"?
    What are those old rockets?
    And why should they be false then? What, the presence of a real warhead and a flight mission for a real target so significantly raise the price of launching an old missile ???
    Or is there something very cheap as decoys?
  29. Illanatol
    Illanatol 18 December 2022 09: 12
    0
    Quote from A.S.M.
    Once the first such blank is found, the use of decoys becomes an open secret.


    So what? A blank or not - it will be clear only after it is on the ground. And to distinguish them in the air is not so easy.
    You can disguise the LC as a real rocket or drone. Or you can disguise a real rocket or drone as an LC.

    "White cat, black cat, who the hell will take them apart" tongue
  30. Illanatol
    Illanatol 18 December 2022 09: 17
    +1
    Quote from tsvetahaki
    Or is there something very cheap as decoys?


    Yes. First of all - in the electronic filling of guidance and control systems. The LC does not require an accurate hit with a minimum CVO. It flies and flies, where it flies - it doesn't matter. Simple gyroscopes maintain an approximate course.
    And as an LC, you can use morally obsolete missiles with an expired shelf life. Such "delays" in warehouses, I suppose, are enough.
    1. tsvetahaki
      tsvetahaki 19 December 2022 00: 09
      0
      First of all - in the electronic filling of guidance and control systems.

      This is understandable.
      But even a primitive Scud with a CVO of 450 meters and a ton of explosives completely hits the territory of a factory or power plant. And a ton of explosives - if not stuffed with gunpowder, which will cost more to re-equip - this is awesome!
      Why make it a blank??
      1. Illanatol
        Illanatol 19 December 2022 13: 58
        0
        Quote from tsvetahaki
        But even a primitive Scud with a CVO of 450 meters and a ton of explosives completely hits the territory of a factory or power plant. And a ton of explosives - if not stuffed with gunpowder, which will cost more to re-equip - this is awesome!
        Why make it a blank??


        And why make it a blank? Launch as is, in order for the enemy to exchange it for missiles. The exchange is in our favor. After all, the old SCAD does not cost us anything, the money for its production was spent even under the last general secretaries.
        And the second echelon to launch something more accurate and efficient.
  31. Pavel57
    Pavel57 19 December 2022 11: 51
    0
    And what were the decoys? X-22? It won't hit, but it will take fire.