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In the Kremennaya area, the Ukrainian military is actively using Mi-8 helicopters

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In the Kremennaya area, the Ukrainian military is actively using Mi-8 helicopters

The Armed Forces of Ukraine are attempting to attack the positions of the 144th Guards Motorized Rifle Division of the Russian Armed Forces. Its servicemen hold the front line in the Kremennaya area.


The details of the combat work of the Russian military in this area are reported by the Telegram channel "Older Edda".

Several enemy assault groups attacked the positions of our motorized riflemen from three sides. In response, the forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were thrown back to their original positions, while suffering losses of personnel killed and wounded.


A lot of work here is done by the air defense of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, whose crews destroy air targets.

Over the past few days, the Ukrainian military has been actively using Mi-8 helicopters in the Kremennaya area. They regularly carry out sorties of 4-5 combat vehicles, operating at low altitudes. Using unmanaged aviation missiles, aircraft of the Armed Forces of Ukraine strikes from Ivanovka at a distance of up to five kilometers.

True, the effectiveness of such attacks tends to zero. During the three days during which they are being undertaken, no one was injured among the Russian military. But the very fact of the use of aviation by the Armed Forces of Ukraine after so many months since the start of a special military operation is a negative signal. I would like to hope that measures are already being taken to destroy these helicopters.

At the same time, the Russian military continues to strike Ukrainian critical infrastructure. Objects were hit in ten regions of Ukraine, as well as in its capital.
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  1. novel66
    novel66 17 December 2022 10: 32
    +4
    Using unguided aircraft missiles, aircraft of the Armed Forces of Ukraine strikes from Ivanovka at a distance of up to five kilometers.

    also, I suppose, from a cabling, and with the same result
    the effectiveness of such attacks tends to zero
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 17 December 2022 10: 33
      +7
      In the Kremennaya area, the Ukrainian military is actively using Mi-8 helicopters
      lieutenant general in the know?
      1. novel66
        novel66 17 December 2022 10: 44
        +4
        who will tell him? he is

        .....However.... lol
    2. svoroponov
      svoroponov 17 December 2022 12: 22
      +10
      On the Ka-52 and Mi-28, the launch of missiles from a pitch-up was introduced into the aiming device function. Based on the ballistics of the projectiles, the altitude of the helicopter and possibly the wind, the distance to the target, the pitch-up angle and the launch command are generated automatically - the pilot or operator only needs to quickly enter the coordinates of the target and, on command from the sight, upon reaching a certain distance, set the calculated pitch-up angle and, well, press the trigger remains. The Mi-8 Ukrainians do not have this in their sights, they have a primitive old one. Therefore, they can shoot from a cabriole on a whim - ,, to that steppe ,, or ,, to the village to grandfather ,,
    3. IVZ
      IVZ 17 December 2022 16: 33
      -1
      also, go, from the cabriolet,
      As far as I understand, in order to increase the firing range, it is required to increase the angle of departure (throw) of the ammunition. why this technique does not cause negative when it is used in any type of small - cannon armament, including sniper rifles, with an increased angle of throw is ostracized. Or do you have personal experience with such launches?
  2. Luka Nord
    Luka Nord 17 December 2022 10: 35
    +3
    Armed Forces are attempting to attack

    War to the last Ukrainian ..? What kind of tea and tablets do the NATO instructors feed them there?
    Foolish rod under the artillery and machine guns. Moreover, they saw helicopters they received, they will be soaked right away.
    It's time to end this ukroreich otherwise they will exterminate themselves
    1. Mihail0221
      Mihail0221 17 December 2022 10: 57
      -1
      War to the last Ukrainian ..? What kind of tea and tablets do the NATO instructors feed them there?
      They wrote that they used to offer pills, but now they don’t ask. In a common cauldron and that's it ... food is served.
    2. Andy_nsk
      Andy_nsk 17 December 2022 12: 57
      +3
      they will destroy themselves

      I wouldn't count on it No.
      1. Luka Nord
        Luka Nord 17 December 2022 13: 21
        +2
        Quote from Andy_nsk
        they will destroy themselves

        I wouldn't count on it No.

        The main mules in the EU sit back and then everything will start again .. So Donbass needs to be set up on the border with the Poles when we do all this. They smell them with their souls!
    3. svoroponov
      svoroponov 17 December 2022 16: 25
      +2
      Military chemistry is a great force. They are slowly but surely turned into drug addicts there. But it's not all about their extermination as individuals in wartime. After the war, not a small part of them will remain drug addicts, unfit for childbearing. They do not understand this, but the practice of the US military, it shows
  3. rocket757
    rocket757 17 December 2022 10: 37
    +1
    Over the past few days, the Ukrainian military has been actively using Mi-8 helicopters in the Kremennaya area. They regularly carry out sorties of 4-5 combat vehicles, operating at low altitudes.
    . Ours is not enough ... but what are ours lacking ???
    Efficiency, intelligence data, in order to successfully, effectively counteract the actions of the enemy.
    The infantry, with the support of field artillery, copes with its tasks, but as long as the enemy has the strength and ability to conduct offensive / reconnaissance actions, there will be losses that can be avoided if the enemy is strongly affected by all the striking means available to our troops.
    Everything is like a textbook.
  4. dmi.pris1
    dmi.pris1 17 December 2022 10: 38
    +3
    Dear S. Kuzmitsky .. You quoted practically from the VO cart .... Let's do a summary from yesterday's cart ..
  5. Vladimir M
    Vladimir M 17 December 2022 10: 38
    +10
    How can several assault groups attack the position of a DIVISION? Yes, and helicopters darting back and forth. Maybe there is not even close to that division?
    1. NAF-NAF
      NAF-NAF 17 December 2022 11: 17
      +1
      How can several assault groups attack the position of a DIVISION? ... Maybe that division is not even close there?

      Maybe you're just missing something? The motorized rifle division in defense occupies a section tens of kilometers long. Of course, these assault groups attacked only a small part of this front.
      1. Vladimir M
        Vladimir M 17 December 2022 11: 32
        +3
        It looks like you are not catching up with something, in front of the strip of the defense area, the division should not CONSTANTLY fly enemy helicopters of 4-5 pieces. Therefore, I doubted that the entire division was there with all its forces and means.
        1. poquello
          poquello 17 December 2022 13: 45
          0
          Quote: Vladimir M
          It looks like you are not catching up with something, in front of the strip of the defense area, the division should not CONSTANTLY fly enemy helicopters of 4-5 pieces. Therefore, I doubted that the entire division was there with all its forces and means.

          big band? deep?
          1. Vladimir M
            Vladimir M 17 December 2022 14: 46
            0
            In BUSV, everything is written about the strip, and about the width, and about the depth.
            1. poquello
              poquello 17 December 2022 15: 37
              0
              Quote: Vladimir M
              In BUSV, everything is written about the strip, and about the width, and about the depth.

              oh, and the article says "acting at low altitudes.", it is strange that you did not doubt that "CONSTANTLY" fly
              1. Vladimir M
                Vladimir M 17 December 2022 15: 49
                -1
                It was the same in Mariupol. It seems that they surrounded the city and began to peck - everything seems to be fine .... until the fighter got out in the early morning to pee and saw that Ukrainian helicopters were flying back and forth calmly. Only after that did they think about air defense.
                1. poquello
                  poquello 17 December 2022 16: 01
                  0
                  Quote: Vladimir M
                  It was the same in Mariupol. It seems that they surrounded the city and began to peck - everything seems to be fine .... until the fighter got out in the early morning to pee and saw that Ukrainian helicopters were flying back and forth calmly. Only after that did they think about air defense.

                  and how did they clean those helicopters? set up MANPADS calculations on the route
  6. dnestr74
    dnestr74 17 December 2022 10: 41
    +11
    it’s easier to fill up mi-8 there is no task ... All this raises questions
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 17 December 2022 10: 45
    +7
    Mi-8. They regularly carry out sorties of 4-5 combat vehicles, operating at low altitudes.
    Any problems with divisional air defense, do they fly 5 km away? Recently there was a video of how ours from the tank hit the Ukrainian Mi-8, which was about to take off. They missed, but the fragments did their job - it flew with flames on the starboard side, after a few kilometers it collapsed and burned out.
    1. Askold65
      Askold65 17 December 2022 15: 38
      -2
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Recently there was a video of how ours from the tank hit the Ukrainian Mi-8, which was about to take off

      I also saw a video of how our two times from the tank hit the dill infantry fighting vehicle (previously captured from ours, there were traces of markings) almost point-blank and both times missed. Then they went to the ram and threw it, exactly, into the minefield. Where it has finally scattered in different directions.
  8. opposite28
    opposite28 17 December 2022 10: 47
    +10
    Over the past few days, the Ukrainian military has been actively using Mi-8 helicopters in the Kremennaya area. They regularly carry out sorties of 4-5 combat vehicles, operating at low altitudes. Using unguided aircraft missiles, aircraft of the Armed Forces of Ukraine strikes from Ivanovka at a distance of up to five kilometers.
    It's strange ... where are the fly swatters in the form of military air defense looking?! Any shalupon flies, psychic attacks suit, okay, if only with one helicopter, but 4-5 helicopters are too much.
  9. Pravodel
    Pravodel 17 December 2022 10: 52
    0
    Ukrainian military ... use Mi-8 helicopters

    Not all of our helicopters and planes have been knocked out from Banderlog yet. Nothing, these will also be beaten out
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 17 December 2022 11: 48
      +8
      Quote: The Truth
      Not all of our helicopters and planes have been knocked out from Banderlog yet.

      If you calculate how many similar equipment the USSR once delivered to "friendly countries" around the world, and which. now they are intensively transported to / to Ukraine, then the process of knocking out can continue for a long time.
  10. Viktor fm
    Viktor fm 17 December 2022 10: 54
    -1
    As always, we lack technology. We do quality, but not enough.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 17 December 2022 11: 14
      +5
      On the contrary, they do a lot, but of poor quality.
      Equipment often breaks down, but there are no repairmen or spare parts.
      A Ukrainian reconnaissance drone flew around Belgorod for a long time.
      I took a picture of hundreds of broken equipment - tanks, self-propelled guns,
      Gradov, trucks lined up waiting for repairs.
  11. Ghost1
    Ghost1 17 December 2022 11: 09
    +8
    I once saw a video that they fly three Mi24s each, as we can see, they still have enough aircraft.
    I think if they are not good at cabling, then we have the same thing.
    1. UAZ 452
      UAZ 452 17 December 2022 11: 30
      +4
      Judging by everything, if the words “Ukrainian” and “Russian” are interchanged in reports about aviation actions, then the meaning will not change - both are ineffective. Unfortunately, such a "replacement of words" is not correct in the case of artillery, reconnaissance, operational control, communications, sabotage work - here the enemy has an undeniable advantage. And until they begin to apply the highest measure of social protection to polkans and generals from among the inspectors for trying to conduct drill reviews in the DB area and checks on keeping notes on political preparation, this discrepancy will only progress.
      1. Sarboz
        Sarboz 17 December 2022 11: 52
        -1
        Quote: UAZ 452
        Unfortunately, such a "replacement of words" is not correct in the case of artillery, reconnaissance, operational control, communications, sabotage work - here the enemy has an undeniable advantage.

        Answer only one question. If our aviation is not equally effective, but in everything else "the enemy has an undeniable advantage", how did our small grouping stop the advance of the enemy, several times larger than us in numbers, and slowly knock him out of powerful fortified areas.
        By all logic, we should drape towards Moscow and the Urals. Did I understand you correctly?
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 17 December 2022 11: 58
          +6
          "By all logic, we should already drape towards Moscow and the Urals" ///
          ---
          Your logic is wrong.
          The Armed Forces of Ukraine have advantages in technical reconnaissance equipment.
          I grew up army advantage in missiles, tanks, howitzers,
          RZSO, BMP.
          Therefore, it grew. the army sometimes retreats and sometimes advances.
          In general - a draw.
          1. UAZ 452
            UAZ 452 17 December 2022 12: 05
            +2
            In general - a draw.

            But if we compare the ratio of February and December, then the number of aspects in which the Armed Forces of Ukraine have an advantage has increased significantly, and even in those nominations where until recently such an advantage could not even be seriously assumed. The trend... is somewhat alarming.
            Regrouping to Moscow and the Urals is not a matter of tomorrow (and I really hope that we will manage without such maneuvers at all), so far only the defensive lines near Belgorod and in the Crimea are being dug.
          2. Askold65
            Askold65 17 December 2022 15: 49
            -1
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Your logic is wrong.
            The Armed Forces of Ukraine have advantages in technical reconnaissance equipment.
            I grew up army advantage in missiles, tanks, howitzers,
            RZSO, BMP.
            Therefore, it grew. the army sometimes retreats and sometimes advances.
            In general - a draw.

            The main trump card of the Ukrainian army today is the numerical superiority of manpower. If our Kremlin rulers had mobilized in the same proportion as the population of Ukraine and Russia, which is 1:4, or at least 1:2, then now there would be a completely different alignment on the front line.
          3. Sarboz
            Sarboz 18 December 2022 02: 09
            +2
            Quote: voyaka uh
            "By all logic, we should already drape towards Moscow and the Urals" ///
            ---
            Your logic is wrong.

            And this is not my logic, but your counterpart UAZ 452. So address this splash of insider information to him:
            Quote: voyaka uh
            The Armed Forces of Ukraine have advantages in technical reconnaissance equipment.
            I grew up army advantage in missiles, tanks, howitzers,
            RZSO, BMP.

            But your logic is flawed:
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Therefore, it grew. the army sometimes retreats and sometimes advances.
            In general - a draw.

            It would be a draw if Russia rolled back to its borders before 2014. And so four occupied regions are in our asset, while the Armed Forces of Ukraine have nothing.
            It would have been a draw if the losses in manpower and equipment were comparable. And so Zelensky is simply methodically destroying the male population of Ukraine.
            And that's all, the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has ended. The reserves of our group are too serious at the moment. Tricks like the Kharkov "counterattacks" will no longer work.
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 18 December 2022 11: 47
              +1
              "and the APU has nothing." ///
              ---
              In 10 months, the Armed Forces of Ukraine managed to recapture Kyiv, Chernihiv, Kharkov and half of the Kherson region.
              And apparently they are inclined to continue the offensive.
              Trenches in Melitopol, Berdyansk and in the north of Crimea are dug for a reason.
              1. Sarboz
                Sarboz 18 December 2022 15: 46
                0
                Quote: voyaka uh
                In 10 months, the Armed Forces of Ukraine managed to recapture Kyiv, Chernihiv, Kharkov and half of the Kherson region.

                I repeat once again, since 2014 Ukraine has not had any territorial acquisitions. In fact, it has already lost five regions. And this is not the limit.
                Quote: voyaka uh
                And apparently they are inclined to continue the offensive.

                The tendency of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to "offensive" is especially evident in Artyomovsk, Avdeevka, Vugledar, Kremennaya. I repeat, if we have 150 reserves and a grouping in Belarus, all dreams of a "counterattack" are insignificant.
                But you in Israel certainly know better. Bandera after all-historically your brothers forever. You, like Zelensky, spit on the graves of your ancestors, mankurts.
  12. Osmodey
    Osmodey 17 December 2022 11: 17
    0
    It seems that 100500 helicopters have already been shot down, according to reports from one man. How can this be?
    1. Sarboz
      Sarboz 17 December 2022 11: 54
      -1
      Quote: Osmodey
      It seems that 100500 helicopters have already been shot down, according to reports from one man. How can this be?

      Did you calculate the neural network in TsIPSO?
      1. Osmodey
        Osmodey 17 December 2022 12: 17
        -4
        You know better! They gave you electricity - now you can pour the juice of your interaural ganglion into the Internet
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 17 December 2022 11: 55
      +7
      Quote: Osmodey
      It seems that 100500 helicopters have already been shot down, according to reports from one man. How can this be?

      And how many helicopters did the USSR and post-Soviet Russia present and sell to their "friends" and "allies" all over the world? That's where it's going now
    3. UAZ 452
      UAZ 452 17 December 2022 12: 08
      0
      These were 100501-100505th. Yes, it is too short and, according to the site administration, does not contain useful information.
  13. Olegi1
    Olegi1 17 December 2022 11: 22
    +2
    In the Kremennaya area, the Ukrainian military is actively using Mi-8 helicopters


    Are these the ones that have already been shot down three times?
  14. Vladimir Dmitrievich Burtsev
    Vladimir Dmitrievich Burtsev 17 December 2022 11: 29
    +7
    In the fight against MI-8, portable anti-aircraft missile systems are very useful. It seems that the Russian troops do not have MANPADS at all. Give the soldiers MANPADS please. And take Soviet anti-aircraft guns from the arsenals, they are also useful against helicopters.
    1. Carat
      Carat 17 December 2022 14: 04
      +1
      Helicopters hit from 5 km from the front. MANPADS are powerless here.
  15. PC
    PC 17 December 2022 11: 45
    +4
    Okay, APU helicopters are flying. And where, dare I ask, are our Needles, Arrows, and so on?
    1. Carat
      Carat 17 December 2022 14: 08
      +1
      aviation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine strikes from Ivanovka up to five kilometers.
  16. tranquil
    tranquil 17 December 2022 11: 46
    -2
    Quote: Osmodey
    It seems that 100500 helicopters have already been shot down, according to reports from one man. How can this be?

    What is the contradiction? Where are the proofs about "100500 according to reports"? How many were there before the war? And how much did the West set? And how much was collected from the supplied parts?
    1. Sarboz
      Sarboz 17 December 2022 11: 57
      -1
      Quote: tranquil
      Where are the proofs about "100500 according to reports"?

      CIPSO does not lie.
  17. YOUR
    YOUR 17 December 2022 11: 48
    +3
    Ukrainian military formations are saturated with MANPADS, why do we not have them in abundance.
    1. poquello
      poquello 17 December 2022 14: 05
      -1
      Quote: YOUR
      Ukrainian military formations are saturated with MANPADS, why do we not have them in abundance.

      why do you think so? ))))
      1. YOUR
        YOUR 17 December 2022 14: 18
        +3
        Because they fly and fire at our positions and rear.
        1. poquello
          poquello 17 December 2022 15: 26
          0
          Quote: YOUR
          Because they fly and fire at our positions and rear.

          ) they fly the devil where they shoot at the Lazarus boom and never even got close, and here you and a group of comrades divorced
          1. YOUR
            YOUR 17 December 2022 15: 35
            +2
            Quote: poquello
            and you here with a group of comrades divorced

            Let me give you a plus, still trying
            1. poquello
              poquello 17 December 2022 15: 57
              0
              Quote: YOUR
              Quote: poquello
              and you here with a group of comrades divorced

              Let me give you a plus, still trying

              come on let's
              Quote: poquello
              the devil fly where they shoot at the lazar boom and never hit even close

              can i add more? )
              these bourgeois helicopters are being transported from where they can, on our helicopters, unlike these, there are sights for firing from a pitch
              1. YOUR
                YOUR 18 December 2022 03: 43
                +1
                Quote: poquello
                on our helicopters, unlike these, there are sights for firing from a pitch-up

                Get hurt. Where does such knowledge come from?
                1. poquello
                  poquello 18 December 2022 10: 45
                  0
                  Quote: YOUR
                  Quote: poquello
                  on our helicopters, unlike these, there are sights for firing from a pitch-up

                  Get hurt. Where does such knowledge come from?

                  from a camel), more precisely, like from FB, it costs software for calculating
                  1. YOUR
                    YOUR 18 December 2022 11: 32
                    +1
                    Quote: poquello
                    from camel)

                    What a knowledgeable camel.
          2. Kronos
            Kronos 17 December 2022 23: 19
            +1
            How do you know they're not going anywhere?
            1. poquello
              poquello 17 December 2022 23: 31
              0
              Quote: Kronos
              How do you know they're not going anywhere?

              about helicopters in this article is written according to the reports of the fighters, only somehow crooked
          3. 28st region
            28st region 18 December 2022 04: 53
            +1
            The maximum flight range of NURS is 5-6 km. The helicopter flies up to the line of contact almost closely, goes into a pitch-up, and makes a launch. The firing range of MANPADS is at least 5 km.
            During the pitching, the helicopter is practically not protected in any way for both ATGMs and MANPADS.
            1. poquello
              poquello 18 December 2022 10: 30
              0
              Quote: 28st region
              The maximum flight range of NURS is 5-6 km. The helicopter flies up to the line of contact almost closely, goes into a pitch-up, and makes a launch. The firing range of MANPADS is at least 5 km.
              During the pitching, the helicopter is practically not protected in any way for both ATGMs and MANPADS.

              one moment - not "almost close" but 5-6 km before our location))))
              1. 28st region
                28st region 18 December 2022 11: 52
                +1
                Quote: poquello
                one moment - not "almost close" but 5-6 km before our location))))

                You are wrong. 5-6 km is the maximum range of a rocket fired at an optimal angle. It is almost impossible for a helicopter to catch this angle, its nose flew up, turned up on the button, pressed it, released everything and dumped it. If you shoot from the maximum range, then strive for 100% shelling of your own positions. In addition, they are not shelling the blue of contact, i.e. trenches, but they hit some target in the depths, for example, an identified artillery position. Considering everything that I have explained to you, they fly up to the very front line, in other cases they cross it, not far, but they enter our territory.
                Where is the MANPADS?
                1. poquello
                  poquello 18 December 2022 16: 03
                  -1
                  Quote: 28st region
                  Quote: poquello
                  one moment - not "almost close" but 5-6 km before our location))))

                  You are wrong. 5-6 km is the maximum range of a rocket fired at an optimal angle. It is almost impossible for a helicopter to catch this angle, its nose flew up, turned up on the button, pressed it, released everything and dumped it. If you shoot from the maximum range, then strive for 100% shelling of your own positions. In addition, they are not shelling the blue of contact, i.e. trenches, but they hit some target in the depths, for example, an identified artillery position. Considering everything that I have explained to you, they fly up to the very front line, in other cases they cross it, not far, but they enter our territory.
                  Where is the MANPADS?

                  itit!
                  Quote: 28st region
                  If you shoot from the maximum range, then strive for 100% shelling of your own positions.

                  now, if you shoot a little further, everything flies into milk, which is what happens to them, which is why there is no harm from them, but you can’t shoot them down from MANPADS, and they haven’t hit them from airplanes yet
  18. Glagol1
    Glagol1 17 December 2022 11: 52
    +5
    82 mm roll-up nurses are not a way to conduct combat operations, but only a way to kill the resource of a helicopter or aircraft. There is no accuracy, the ammunition is weak, the efficiency is zero, the cost of a sortie is huge. Also, the Russian Aerospace Forces are emasculating the resource of their birds. In this regard, both us and the 404th are still striped ..., sorry!
    1. UAZ 452
      UAZ 452 17 December 2022 12: 13
      +5
      Also, the Russian Aerospace Forces are emasculating the resource of their birds. In this regard, both us and the 404th are still striped ..., sorry!

      You want to say - the party was equal, two fought ... In the sense - the second army in the world and the best army in Europe?
      1. Glagol1
        Glagol1 19 December 2022 16: 00
        +1
        Not certainly in that way. It's just that the striped ones use blunt means of destruction when the enemy's air defense is suppressed and you can nurse / bomb quite accurately. And while not suppressed, then work highly accurate. We, with unsuppressed air defense, are trying to nurse around the areas - zero sense.
  19. Oleg Ogorod
    Oleg Ogorod 17 December 2022 11: 56
    0
    Don't combat Mi-2s fly there?
    Our planes and helicopters do not fly over Ukrainian positions, they are afraid of their air defense. And their transport helicopters fly over our positions. Strange operation.
    Fake war.
    By the way, do their helicopters also fly with welded doors?
  20. sanik2020
    sanik2020 17 December 2022 11: 59
    +8
    It must be admitted that far from everything is in order with air defense at the front. Remember Mariupol, which in the spring was already in a deep environment, and Bandera turntables darted back and forth. And only when the banderiki themselves began to brag about it to the whole world, someone thought of setting up at least posts with MANPADS around the city. Another sad thing is that the war will soon be a year old and enemy turntables are already hitting on the front end. Our intelligence has not succeeded in identifying enemy aviation bases, as well as air defense in operational cover for troops, one can only hope that the enemy will teach and force.
    If you are unlucky with the generals, at least the luck of the soldiers does not blow.
    1. Osmodey
      Osmodey 17 December 2022 12: 32
      +3
      That's right - a question for reconnaissance, commercially available helicopters are used on the front line - a mystery where they are trained for combat missions, re-equipped, refueled? I’m even afraid to stutter about satellite surveillance, but the reconnaissance aircraft could take a look. If anything, I'm not an aviation specialist and mowed down intelligence. But I wonder how this is possible? Is the army 71% armed with modern weapons fighting according to the principles of the Second World War?
      1. Kronos
        Kronos 17 December 2022 23: 20
        +3
        71% of modern weapons are just a declaration no more.
  21. kriten
    kriten 17 December 2022 12: 04
    +2
    Do we not have air defense systems? And if there is, what prevents you from shooting down enemy helicopters?
  22. air wolf
    air wolf 17 December 2022 12: 09
    +2
    I hope all Bandera from my course SVVAUL landed laughing
    And then they studied at the expense of the Russian Federation, and then they fled to Banderastan ..
  23. IvanR
    IvanR 17 December 2022 12: 11
    0
    "Using unguided aircraft missiles, the aircraft of the Armed Forces of Ukraine strikes from the side of Ivanovka at a distance of up to five kilometers.
    True, the effectiveness of such attacks tends to zero. During the three days during which they are being undertaken, no one was injured among the Russian military."

    But when ours publish footage of NAR launches, they report on the liquidation of headquarters with hundreds of nationalists
  24. tranquil
    tranquil 17 December 2022 12: 14
    0
    Quote: kriten
    And if there is, what prevents you from shooting down enemy helicopters?

    That is, in your opinion, all the helicopters shot down before were not shot down? And then what? Did they all fall down?
  25. tranquil
    tranquil 17 December 2022 12: 32
    -2
    Quote from Ivan
    ours publish footage of NAR launches, report on the liquidation of headquarters with hundreds of nationalists

    Can I have a link to such a report from "ours"?
    1. IvanR
      IvanR 17 December 2022 12: 44
      0
      https://topwar.ru/206285-minoborony-rf-opublikovalo-kadry-unichtozhenija-komandnogo-punkta-vsu-paroj-vertoletov-ka-52-i-mi-24.html
      1. tranquil
        tranquil 17 December 2022 13: 00
        -2
        There are no links to the source, to the report. There is no assertion that the control center was destroyed by the NARs, and not by the whirlwinds that can be seen on the recording - but there is only a commentary on what is happening on a short video. There is no mention of "hundreds of nationalists".
  26. Retvizan1974
    Retvizan1974 17 December 2022 14: 30
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    Why do they still have so many helicopters??? I'm afraid to assume that there are still some contracts under which the Russian Federation is obliged to supply helicopters to / from ??? ....
    1. tranquil
      tranquil 17 December 2022 15: 05
      +1
      The most massive helicopter in the world. According to Wikipedia, with reference to The Military Balance from 2016, ukrov had about 2016 in 70. The Americans handed over 20. Even xs how many others quietly transferred and how many spare parts to restore the old ones.
  27. Fangaro
    Fangaro 17 December 2022 16: 59
    -1
    MI-8 is not an aggressor like 24-ki. It's more of a transporter. And the speeds are not great, and the maneuverability is not so hot. Such targets can be destroyed even by dense automatic fire, if they are low-flying.