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The peacefulness and long-suffering of today's leadership of Russia causes many not only misunderstanding, but also disappointment.


Explanations - "a big giraffe - he knows better", few people are already satisfied (although the belief in a miracle that it is "more aware" does not leave most of us).

The bloody meat grinder in the style of the First World War raises more questions than delights.
Naive suggestions, “Isn’t it time to dust off our tactical nuclear weapons?” cause hysteria of "common people" and "philanthropists", both endowed with power and representatives of the people who listen to the tops.

Bottom-i-i-a!

What is allowed? And is it even necessary?


The special operation is taking longer, the rules in it are becoming less and less, and they are mainly set against us.

Well, well ... Humanity and humanism are also dear to my heart. If it can be used against ukrofascism! Peaceful and humane.

Since the beginning of the new phase of the NWO, millions of Ukrainians have prudently decided not observe this process from the stalls, because it flies all over the “hall”. Many have decided to become not spectators, but listeners. The people poured in crowds from the enraged "state", as from a sinking ship or a burning house.


Most of these people are true patriots of Ukraine, the way it was before 2014 or before 1991.

But, as you know, Zelensky’s junta, knowing full well the real percentage of people’s support, instantly slammed the borders, turning the approximately 18 million remaining in the country into hostages, cannon fodder and human shields.

Everyone who was burning with the desire to go and kill himself on a Russian tank did it a long time ago.
Passionate national idiots are practically over.

Only military-age hostages remained. Those of them who are not fatalists and read the tale of "Two Frogs" as children are preoccupied with the choice between two ways of surviving on a military reservation.

To hide or to run away - that is the question? "Gold rush" on the borders of Ukraine. “Golden sand”, relatively speaking, these are those determined Ukrainian citizens who do not want to be either victims or accomplices in the deeds of the Zelensky criminal regime.

Many pay for the services of local guides, someone finds corruption holes in the border sieve. The border guards let those who pay a lot pass, and revealingly catch those who are not able to pay or pay not to them.

At the same time, everyone knocks on everyone, interfering with strangers and promoting their interests.

You can get a "go-ahead" for the wiring of your "evaders", as a fee for denunciation of your own competitors.

They swim through the border rivers and drown in them. They ride ATVs and cars, including in trunks. Entire companies of fellow villagers of military age are coming. And solitary fugitives along with their four-legged pets.


Recently, a large family with young children was detained at the border with Moldova, who tried to get out of Ukraine only because of the threat of mobilization of one of their relatives.


They are also trying to get out of Ukraine, bypassing the cordons and towards Russia. And the fate of these people, if caught at the border, can be even more tragic.


For the most part, these are all Ukrainian citizens who do not want to accept the fate prepared for them. In some relatively small areas, up to 5-7 arrests occur per day (more precisely, overnight).

Only the official list of those who drowned in Tisza while trying to leave the "Ukraine-maty" approached two dozen. The last know-how is an attempt to cross the cordon with a flock of wild boars.


In any case, this is a colossal financial flow that fills the pockets of merchants in green uniforms and hucksters from among the locals.

Those who run away from war pay those who profit from it.

But let us put aside all the financial and organizational subtleties of this phenomenon accompanying the war.

Questions are being asked...


Why don't human rights organizations notice the legal right of Ukrainians to get out of the country? Those who do not want to give their lives and health to the possessed "green Fuhrer" and who did not recognize Bandera as "dad".

Why don't humanists and philanthropists shake this problem from the stands of the European Parliament and the UN?

Why are there no sharp articles in the foreign press describing the desperation of people risking their lives for the "visa-free" gift given to them by the Ukrainian authorities?

Why is it impossible to apply to this process, to make it more tragic, the concept of "evacuation from Ukraine", which is suppressed by the Ukrainian authorities?

Separated families, when fathers of families and sons, not being drafted into the ukrovermacht, are simply doomed to sit in cold and dark apartments because they are over 18 and under 60.

I am sure that this topic will attract the attention of human rights activists and journalists who are not fanatic about Zelensky.

In the battle on the information field, our opponents do not shun anything. Why don't we publicly worry about the hard fate notvisiting Ukrainians?

To draw (holding the muzzle in your pocket) parallels between today's Ukraine and the excesses with leaving the USSR or the former GDR. For the junta and its owners, such comparisons are like garlic for evil spirits.

Farther...

The topic of the inability to travel outside the country is especially close to the boiling point in the western regions of Ukraine.

It was these people who stood behind the “Maidan”, which, through the efforts of Poroshenko, gave them the opportunity to raise the economies of all European countries, except for the “beloved Nenka”.
If Western journalists and human rights activists start to swing this topic, then the people, feeling the support, will boil.

Forced life on the reservation unites in resentment of power. And a young Ternopil banderlog of the Veseushnik, whose father cannot go to a construction site in Poland. And a cosmopolitan sailor from Odessa who does not like any kind of authority. And a smart student from Lvov, who loves Ukraine very much, but only after graduating from the university in Krakow, which he is no longer allowed to enter.

And an entrepreneur from Kharkov, if possible, will do everything to take the business to a place where you can work without a generator, military tax, and firmly knowing that your service station or bakery will not be at the epicenter of arrival tomorrow.

Even a lot of Veseushniks and other banded trash sitting in the trenches would gladly change their uniforms for work overalls. Anywhere, but not in the Batkivshchyna ruined and plundered by them.

I take the liberty of asserting that if tomorrow morning Zelensky is forced to lift travel restrictions, then by lunchtime the front of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will begin to crumble. They will have selection somewhat broader than fighting and dying or being captured.
I immediately foresee questions and criticism from liberal Russian comrades who are trying to pull the "owl on the globe."

- Firstly... Restrictions on leaving Russia apply only to those who are subject to conscription. And for everyone else, the West itself built an iron curtain. But at the same time, the West welcomes with open arms those from Russia who are "against the war."

Why not get them to put pressure on Zelensky and show their hospitality to the “pacifists” from Ukraine? Quite a worthy point of application of efforts for human rights activists and diplomats.

- Secondly, travel restrictions in Ukraine are more like a ban on evacuation.

With the slowly but successfully “de-Sovietization” of the energy system built in Ukraine by the damned communists, many Ukrainians may not wait (during the winter period) for a proper energy system built in Ukraine by the West.

And only gratuitous labor force from Ukraine can save the European economy.
What a wonderful coincidence of interests!

Swing vector


The vector of the “buildup” of this situation should be directed from the “holy Maidan” to the “long-term visa-free regime”, which Zelensky treacherously and unreasonably deprived everyone.

Then fan out to the sides:

- “whoever has money can leave”;

- "border guards bribe-takers profit while others are dying in the trenches";

- "Men are not called up and, having no work, they cannot feed their families";

– “the younger generation cannot get an education”;

– “in conditions of interruptions with everything, it is necessary to evacuate everyone to Europe.”


Once again, I want to emphasize that all of the above is not a scholastic discussion, but an obvious sore point of our opponents.

This is the method. Effective, bloodless and bringing our Victory closer.

Need help release joke:

“The son-in-law holds the mother-in-law by the legs from the balcony and says:
“Other sons-in-law killed their mothers-in-law, but I let you go on all four sides.”
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  1. Buyan
    Buyan 20 December 2022 16: 38
    -17
    All who did not have time to dump - dispose of ... there are no white sheep there
    1. Asad
      Asad 20 December 2022 16: 58
      +17
      Here you are not respected, what is better than Ukrainian Nazis? They demand the destruction of the Russian people, you are Ukrainian, so easy to dispose of.
      1. runway-1
        runway-1 20 December 2022 19: 53
        +1
        I agree, although perhaps this is "just our patriot" - a chauvinist, at best, or all the same ...
        1. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 24 December 2022 17: 20
          +1
          Quote: WFP-1
          I agree, although perhaps this is "just our patriot" - a chauvinist, at best, or all the same ...

          God save us from such patriots. God save us from those who advocate the use of tactical nuclear weapons.
          And on the topic of the article - And what does Nebenzya do at the UN? Why isn't he SHOUTING about it? Why doesn’t he give briefings and show these photos of children detained by Ukrainian border guards? We must make every effort to convey to the WORLD community the deeds of Zelensky and his BP.
          All of them should become non-handshake, toxic.
      2. Msi
        Msi 21 December 2022 08: 23
        -10
        They demand the destruction of the Russian people, you are Ukrainian, so easy to dispose of
        Ukrainian people hmm ... what kind of "such a beast" is this? Didn't it come from the Sumerians? laughing In more detail it is possible ...
        1. bayard
          bayard 25 December 2022 14: 31
          +2
          Quote from Msi
          Ukrainian people hmm ... what kind of "such a beast" is this?

          These are Russian people with partially rewired brains. Who were betrayed by their legitimate (at that time) authorities in 2014, whom their security forces could not protect, because they were withdrawn from Kyiv, which was captured by criminals, whom the Kremlin betrayed several times in 2014 (when he persuaded, at the request of the United States, to withdraw the troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs from Kyiv, when he did not come to the rescue at the request of the legitimate president of Ukraine, when he imposed the Minsk Collusion on the fighting Donbass, when for 8 years he tried to push the Russian people of Donbass back into fascist Ukraine, when he laid with the device on Russian and Russian-speaking people in this unfortunate country, who are there from 70% or more ... and who were waiting for the arrival of the Russian liberators in 2014 ... in 2015 ... in 2016, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21 ... and when the SVO happened ... instead of liberation was seen with ease and ease (for the Kremlin) by the previously liberated lands and people left under the reprisal of ghouls ...
          Your brains, too, have been rewired by all sorts of Solovievs and Co. for 8 years, when they learned to perceive their blood brothers and sisters through the prism of hatred and contempt. You have been taught this hatred and contempt for 8 years, and you are the fruit of these efforts of the enemies of the Russian People.
          Russia is not RF!!
          The Russian Federation is only its (Russia) stub.
          Russia is where people laid down their lives for the very Russian name all these years. And it was Donbass.
          Russia is not only Great, but also White, and Small, and New Rus', once it was Chervonaya Rus, and the Cossack lands of the All-Great Army of the Urals and Semirechensk ...
          Only in its entirety it will be Russia.
          And now, this is the largest DIVIDED STATE in the World.
          We will not restore Unity, there will be no Russia.

          And once again, the Russian Federation is not Russia, but only its largest PART.
          So do not be like a madman who cuts off his own arms, legs ... this is mental self-mutilation and betrayal of his own Name.
    2. Chervony Biker
      20 December 2022 20: 08
      +6
      Are you ready to personally "dispose"?
      Only for the fact that there were no funds, determination and sanity to leave the enraged Ukraine?
      And it seems that you write comments without reading or not understanding what is written in the article.
      Almost everyone wants to leave. Of these, at least half to Russia.
      DO NOT let! This is what the article is about.
      1. Sergey Averchenkov
        Sergey Averchenkov 21 December 2022 02: 55
        -10
        Are you ready to personally "dispose"?

        Easily.

        "Only because there were no funds, determination and sanity to leave the enraged Ukraine?"

        No, not for that. Because they kill Russians. Who lives in Ukraine? Ukrainians? If Ukraine went berserk, did it go berserk somehow apart from the Ukrainians? So what? Can you tell the truth? First Ukrainians, and then Ukraine? I don’t need to justify the Ukrainians here, that they are angels in the flesh - the rotten people turned out to be ... traitors. Ugh my god...
        1. Chervony Biker
          21 December 2022 03: 40
          +9
          Here I am a Ukrainian (Ukrainian passport), although I consider myself a Soviet person.
          And you, not knowing me, are ready to kill me because I did not cope with my junta.
          At the same time, you (the government of the Russian Federation) recognized both Turchinov and Poroshenko and Zelensky. You continue to trade and at the same time fight, and negotiate something with "my" fascists.
          Doesn’t it bother you?
          1. Sergey Averchenkov
            Sergey Averchenkov 21 December 2022 03: 53
            -4
            I will explain to you much more simply, without any Soviet people, governments and juntas... Three weeks ago I buried my nephew... in a closed coffin. This is my brother's son. This is my family. And what I am ready to do for the sake of my family, I think you do not need to explain. If I knew who did it...the whole family would be slaughtered. But Ukrainians are a big friendly family, so my field of activity is just as big. I warned that the war after the first shots becomes a very personal matter.
            1. Chervony Biker
              21 December 2022 04: 09
              +11
              My condolences ...
              A month ago, my matchmaker buried his nephew, and also in a closed coffin. I did not know this young guy, and I had never even been to Bashkiria, where he was called from. But he is also my family. And at the same time I am Ukrainian.
              And those who killed your and my relative and other guys who liberate my land from Galician fascism are the same enemies to me as to you.
            2. Mihail0221
              Mihail0221 21 December 2022 08: 54
              -7
              This is my family. And what I am ready to do for the sake of my family, I think you do not need to explain. If I knew who did it...the whole family would be slaughtered. But Ukrainians are a big friendly family, so my field of activity is just as big. I warned that the war after the first shots becomes a very personal matter.
              my condolences. Kingdom of Heaven eternal rest to your nephew. There will not be enough tears to mourn all our dead sons, brothers and fathers who died in Ukraine for our peace and the opportunity to live.
              The inhabitants of Ukraine forget that we are losing our loved ones and how they are going to atone for their sin before us and beg for forgiveness from the Russian peoples. I don't know. Will we forgive them... I don't know...
              And I always write like this: ... Grief and lamentations must come to the family of every Ukrainian soldier ... He took up arms - he is guilty.
              1. Chervony Biker
                21 December 2022 13: 34
                +1
                Quite right. For any member of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and all his relatives of the first line, there should be collective responsibility.
                Ukrofascist went to kill those who disagreed with him, having the support of his parents, wife and children.
              2. Sergey Averchenkov
                Sergey Averchenkov 23 December 2022 12: 07
                +4
                I will not forgive. I also did not forgive the Germans - they killed two of my uncles. Is it possible to forgive the murder of their relatives? The family is the cell of society, our state is made up of these cells. Is not it? My God, my God, God forbid that I do not offend anyone who is not guilty.
                Come on... Odessa is a Russian city.
              3. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk 25 December 2022 10: 31
                0
                Quote: Michael0221
                Picked up a weapon - guilty.

                No! He defends his land, he defends his homeland. And we must treat this with understanding. He is not guilty of the fact that his president and government started the ATO and he could not do anything about it, even if he wanted to. And now, being between the hammers of the NWO and the anvil - the Motherland, he has no choice. He cannot just raise his hands and give up - immediately shot in the back, he could not escape over the hillock - the border is closed for him. And what would each of us do in this situation? Everything is individual and according to circumstances.
                The mattress covers left neither us nor them with a choice, we are forced to kill each other. And we must do this with tears in our eyes, for we are killing brothers. And there is no other way.
                And we must leave our immeasurable hatred to the impudent Saxons. Because of them, our and Ukrainian guys are dying. We are out of necessity, they out of thoughtlessness. Our president clearly explained to us and, knowing the Ukrainian reality, I fully agree with him. And who explained to the Ukrainians and what? That's it. Those who could explain are gone, and others are far away.
                1. Mihail0221
                  Mihail0221 25 December 2022 15: 05
                  +1
                  No! He defends his land, he defends his homeland.

                  1. Well, this can be agreed to the point that the Germans defended their land in 1945. But this does not mean that they are not Nazis. Like you Ukrainians.
                  2. You are not brothers to me. You betrayed the entire brotherhood, you forgot about your ancestors.
                  3. My children are small. But I educate and hope to educate them in intolerance to any manifestations of Nazism (Ukrainianism as a synonym for the defense of the Motherland by the Nazis from your comment)
                  4. If I find myself at the front (until they take me, I’m not needed yet), then I won’t remember the brotherhood when I pull out the Nazi Adam’s apples. Do not expect pity and captivity. Brothers in blood, and in the Motherland, you have ruined many of my.
                  PS Let's do without advice to whom in the first place to break the backbone, Ukrainian or American Nazis.
                  And the last. Above, a person in the comments writes that his nephew died and the "brothers" throw minuses on him. Fie on you bunch of hypocrites and traitors.
          2. Mihail0221
            Mihail0221 21 December 2022 08: 49
            -6
            And you, not knowing me, are ready to kill me because I did not cope with my junta.
            At the same time, you (the government of the Russian Federation) recognized both Turchinov and Poroshenko and Zelensky. You continue to trade and at the same time fight, and negotiate something with "my" fascists.
            Doesn’t it bother you?
            questions to "my government" I will ask myself without your help.
            1. Chervony Biker
              21 December 2022 13: 41
              +5
              Tomorrow it will be our common government.
              How we will live together is being decided today on the Ukrainian battlefields.
              My Odessa is a Russian city. But just like mine, I always considered Murmansk and Makhachkala
        2. Mihail0221
          Mihail0221 21 December 2022 08: 46
          -6
          I don’t need to justify the Ukrainians here, that they are angels in the flesh - the rotten people turned out to be ... traitors. Ugh my god...
          agree with you. The other is outrageous. The site has authors (administrators) who wrote about the information war, abundantly watering our defense mines. For mistakes and huge shortcomings. (It's hard to disagree) And they themselves provide the enemy with a platform for ideological operations. Gradually, it turns into ukrosite. No.
          1. Chervony Biker
            21 December 2022 13: 46
            +4
            Following your strange logic, the most "Russian" today are the Galician, Bandera sites - it is there that they scold and curse the Ukrainian Defense Ministry and Zelensky personally without any hesitation.
            The world is a little more complicated than you imagine.
        3. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 24 December 2022 23: 25
          0
          Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
          nkov)
          Are you ready to personally "dispose"?

          Easily.

          And those kids in the photo in the article?
          Hatred burns the soul. A soulless person is not needed even by his family.
          You can and should hate an armed enemy, but not unarmed women and children, even if they look at you with hatred.
          1. Sergey Averchenkov
            Sergey Averchenkov 25 December 2022 20: 42
            0
            Don't worry about my soul. She's mine... and my family, not yours. I do not propose a discussion and do not ask you for advice - I have already decided everything for myself. Although... you can kill me. I do not conform to your moral principles. Go ahead, it will be funny if you start killing Russians because of dill.
      2. Msi
        Msi 21 December 2022 08: 28
        +2
        DO NOT let! This is what the article is about.

        Are they not allowed? All eight years? Or did Ukraine "yesterday" go berserk? belay
        1. Chervony Biker
          21 December 2022 13: 49
          +3
          "I went berserk" together with Russia and other republics 30 years ago. It's just that the course of the disease is different everywhere.
        2. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 24 December 2022 23: 30
          +1
          Quote from Msi
          DO NOT let! This is what the article is about.

          Are they not allowed? All eight years? Or did Ukraine "yesterday" go berserk? belay

          Are you out of your mind? What does it mean to drop everything and go into the unknown without a penny for your soul? Or do you think that the people of the Outskirts are all millionaires?
          It was only this year that Russia began to checkmate. assistance to those who came from the Outskirts, who had previously only fled from the LDNR.
          You know, there is such a proverb - "I will sort out someone else's misfortune with my hands, but I will not give my own sense"
          1. Msi
            Msi 25 December 2022 13: 08
            +3
            Are you out of your mind? What does it mean to drop everything and go into the unknown without a penny for your soul? Or do you think that the people of the Outskirts are all millionaires?

            So that's what I'm writing about. Eight years was enough to say goodbye to the Nazi state. Sell ​​an apartment, move a house to us. Find a job. Our guys came in 2014, many of them work. What is the problem? And who likes to live or liked in the Nazi state, before the light began to blink and disappear, I have no pity for those.
            1. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk 25 December 2022 15: 14
              0
              Quote from Msi
              What's the problem?

              The problem is housing. The problem is in the family. I wrote to you -
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              "I will sort out someone else's misfortune with my hands, but I will not give my own sense"

              The rich do not buy an apartment, they build cottages for themselves. The poor cannot buy, and if they do, it will be at a price that in Russia can only buy a barn. Would you agree to such a move? This is the first. The second is a family in which parents plus children live in their own apartments and have their own families. And all this horde should break loose and go into the unknown? Once again I repeat - not everything is as simple as it seems to you from the outside. You, as I understand it, completely lack imagination, the ability to imagine yourself in their place.
            2. bayard
              bayard 25 December 2022 15: 45
              0
              Quote from Msi
              Sell ​​an apartment, move a house to us. Find a job. Our guys came in 2014, many of them work. What is the problem?

              Abandon elderly or sick parents? Relatives? Ancestral graves? Some of them have no business?
              Thinking just to persuade older people to move? Who has a husband and wife buried here? Or to persuade his wife, whose mother is sick and does not want to move categorically? I speak from practice. From my experience, my friends, acquaintances. Or was sugar in Russia with the granting of citizenship?
              And many realized it when it was too late and the borders were closed.
              Almost all of us in Donetsk have relatives, friends, relatives on the other side. They have been waiting for us, waiting for release since 2014.
              And the Kremlin, all these years, has been stubbornly trying to push us ... back into fascist Ukraine.
              And who are you, who are we, to scatter Russian Lands and Russian People ?? Russia is already dying out all these 30 years of "independence" from common sense. If it were not for the migration and return of Russian people from the former republics of the Union, the number of the Russian Federation today might not have counted 120 million. With such a rate of extinction.
              In the former Ukraine, a MINORITY went berserk.
              Yes, aggressive, yes, they gave him a weapon and the right to kill and steal back in 2014, the criminals who seized power ... But Russia RECOGNIZED the legitimacy of the power of these criminals !! And regularly recognized all these years! And now he admits! He pays tribute and fines to them, pays for the transit of hydrocarbons, negotiates, surrenders to them previously liberated territories with Russian People!
              And then the ghouls slaughter them (Russian people) like cattle and fool around that "these are Russian invaders."
              Who forbade shooting Ukrainian flags in the "liberated" territories??
              Who forbade the Army to shoot "at the military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine" ??
              Who framed the consolidated group of troops at the very beginning of the NWO, forcing them to fight with an enemy that was 5 times superior?
              And he said that "EVERYTHING GOES ACCORDING TO THE PLAN" ??
              Maybe it's time to look the truth in the eyes?
              Maybe it's time to remember WHO betrayed this part of the Russian World into the clutches and to be torn to pieces by the ghouls of the Nazis ??
              Who persuaded the President of Ukraine to WITHDRAW TROOPS FROM Kyiv???
              He admitted this several times on cameras with an innocent look and even reproach "They deceived me" ... "Throwed" ... "I helped them, and they captured" ... "and did not even warn" !!!
              Maybe it’s worth remembering how and how many times they tried to merge the uprising in the Donbass in the same way ??
              And how was the ALL Russian Spring merged??
              When did the whole South-East revolt??
              When the heads of some regions came to Moscow, and they ..... "we are not interested" ... ??
              Now Russian soldiers are dying on the battlefields ... and the coffins of their sons are coming to their families ... And we have been burying our friends and relatives, children, women, the elderly, who died under Nazi shells for 9 years already.
              And not a single muscle trembled over the years on the face ......, and no one was interested ... In general, no one. From the top. Only "amazed" questions on the "blue eye" - "Why did you start fighting" !!!
              So to whom are you going to present that you "reconciled", "agreed", "ceased to be Russian" ...
              our militia has always been formed exclusively from volunteers, in 2014 volunteers from all over the world came to fight against fascism! And from Germany, Italy, Spain, France, Serbia, the USA, Latin America, even Africans were ... and of course from Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan ... In Belarus and Kazakhstan, after returning home, they were put in prison ... and in Serbia ... And we have been imprisoned all these years for opening return fire during shelling !!! By order of the curators, of course ...
              Like SUCH Truth??
              Or is it not the "Russian" oligarchs who are now financing the Armed Forces of Ukraine??
              And they did the same before.
              In the midst of the so-called. ATO "Russian" banks "credited" the murder of Russian people in the Donbas for many billions of dollars.
              Do you have anything? Do your hands itch??
              Is it weak to present something to these "heroes"? They are closer to you.
              Weakly.
              Because an ordinary person is against the state and the supranational System of Evil ... as a rule, Weakly.
              But if you suddenly feel "not weak", then you will be able to present to those who could not present in 2014 ... Or presented (and how!), but failed to achieve his goal.
              And I am absolutely sure that if such a coup had happened in the Russian Federation ... it would hardly have been possible to find our own "Donbass" ... Simply because then we had hope for Russia's help, and this gave strength to many ... But in the case Russia will no longer have hope for such assistance.
              Think of the 700 fugitives from a single (limited) mobilization call. Is this a reason to be proud?
              Remember \ look at the negotiations with the Nazis, "goodwill gestures" and grain deals ... Do you have any questions?
              Donbass is fighting and burying its soldiers ... and just residents for 9 years soon ... But we have NEVER stooped to such expressions and assessments ... and to the desire to "kill everyone there."
              Only fascists who have gone to the edge are capable of such a thing.
              Don't be like them.
              1. Msi
                Msi 25 December 2022 17: 03
                0
                What way do you see out of the situation? From the war? Peace on what terms?
                1. bayard
                  bayard 25 December 2022 18: 05
                  0
                  Quote from Msi
                  What way do you see out of the situation?

                  Only Victorious!
                  Unconditionally victorious.
                  With the complete extermination of fascism in Russian lands and the liberation of Russian (and rewritten "Ukrainians") people.
                  With Tribunals, open and public trials of ghouls, with the abolition of the moratorium on the death penalty, for those guilty of death, and even with fanaticism, are guilty of death. Strictly - this is the law of justice, which is so in demand in this vile time.
                  And in order to achieve victory, it is necessary to start FIGHTing, and not stroke the ghouls of "Azov" on My dick Snot!, fattening them in a sanatorium regime, captivity.
                  Fight. And not to arrange secret and semi-secret agreements. With the abandonment of the territories taken by the blood of the soldiers with the Russian people.
                  Fight! Moreover, with the proper outfit of forces and means, and not arranging attacks on a five times superior enemy sitting in a defense in depth. Do not ruin the Little Army (a dream come true of the Supreme High Command) in peacetime in stubborn positional battles, but FIGHT.
                  According to the military regulations and all the rules of military affairs.
                  Quote from Msi
                  Peace on what terms?

                  Complete capitulation of the enemy and the return of Russian lands and people to the bosom of a single state.
                  In order to achieve this, it is necessary to set yourself such a goal - Victory. And based on this goal, make plans and be guided in actions.
                  Whether the current "upper" will be capable of this - time will tell. I hope they have already realized that in case of defeat they will not only be robbed and removed from power, but simply fed to pigs. And it's not a figure of speech.
  2. Iris
    Iris 20 December 2022 16: 39
    +5
    It seems that the text was written under the dictation of the CIPSO. If this is not so, then you have a vivid example of how not to conduct propaganda. simply because in each line you can insert three counterarguments, and the author clearly leads to this.
    1. alekseykabanets
      alekseykabanets 20 December 2022 17: 52
      +5
      Quote: Kasatik
      It seems that the text was written under the dictation of the CIPSO.

      You still don't see CIPSO in the mirror?
      Quote: Kasatik
      If this is not so, then you have a vivid example of how not to conduct propaganda. simply because in each line you can insert three counterarguments, and the author clearly leads to this.

      Insert and refute, what is the matter? Is it easier to wave slogans with CIPSO?
    2. laws70
      laws70 20 December 2022 18: 07
      +7
      It seems that the text was written under the dictation of the CIPSO.

      Why all of a sudden? The author proposes to simplify the entry into the Russian Federation from Ukraine for men of military age who wish to replace service in the Armed Forces with work in Russia. If they don't even have swastika tattoos, why not? Why are they worse than the Kyrgyz and Tajiks? There are still people in Ukraine who want only one thing - that no one touches them and that they have something to feed their families. Especially in the Eastern regions. They don't want to go to Russia, but they want to die for Zelensky even less..
      1. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 25 December 2022 10: 50
        +1
        Quote from: laws70
        The author proposes to simplify the entry into the Russian Federation from Ukraine for men of military age,

        In fact, entry into Russia was simple, until February 22. After February, Russia let in, with a serious check on the PP, but the Outskirts did not let out. They even tried not to let those not liable for military service to enter Russia
        Russia can and should be blamed for the difficulties that plagued the settlers from the Outskirts to Russia before the start of the NWO. Support was provided only to migrants from the LDNR. For the rest - "saving the drowning ..." But at the same time, Poland and Germany were much more attentive to the settlers. That is why Ukrainians went, mainly to the West, and not because they did not want to go to Russia. They knew and understood that it is several orders of magnitude more difficult to settle down in Russia than in the West, despite the knowledge and command of the Russian language. And all these problems were arranged by officials of all ranks and stripes.
    3. Chervony Biker
      20 December 2022 20: 15
      +4
      I am an author. I’ll listen with gratitude to at least one “counterargument”, what would be bad for Russia if right tomorrow there are a lot of dissenting and even doubting Ukrainians. Bringing chaos, a couple of million will rush into Europe. .
      1. gromit
        gromit 20 December 2022 20: 53
        0
        Nothing is bad.
        Only no one will release those liable for military service.
        And the rest there is no particular reason to abandon housing and property.
        Active hostilities are taking place in a very limited area. And the chance to get hit by a stray rocket in Zhitomir and Vinnitsa is not much higher than in Belgorod. Yes, down there.

        And how will the population of the LDNR react to such a touching concern for Ukrainian reservists from the Russian Federation?
        Not all volunteers are there.
        1. Chervony Biker
          20 December 2022 22: 43
          +2
          You're wrong.
          Oddly enough, representatives of the western regions want to leave.
          Those. those who were the destroyers of Ukraine on the "maidan" in the 14th, precisely for the sake of traveling to Europe. In Against them, Zelensky's junta will not trample.
          If this topic comes to Western human rights activists, then the result for Zelya may be
          the most unpredictable.
      2. Bolt cutter
        Bolt cutter 20 December 2022 21: 06
        +3
        what will be bad for Russia
        The fact that every third person who left will be a cowardly Banderite - under Russian tanks he is reluctant, and even shitting in Russia is safe - he is only for it.
        1. Chervony Biker
          21 December 2022 02: 48
          +6
          Why are you commenting if you haven't read the article?
          Or so difficult, I outlined the simplest idea.
          "Mykola", which will explode from Ukraine to Europe, will not repair either a tank or a disorganized transformer in Ukraine.
          Mykola will not be called to the Armed Forces of Ukraine to kill you.
          Mykola in the liberated city will not induce Hymers.
          And all this because he was given the opportunity to get out of OUR South Russian land.
          What's bad about it?
          Even at the front they take the enemy prisoner.
          And I wrote that the enemy did not even get to the front and did not prop up the Armed Forces of Ukraine with his work in the rear.
          What do you disagree with?
          If they scare you, those who decided to come to Russia. And in order for you not to be "shitted", it means that everyone who is higher than the wheel of a cart must be destroyed.
          You can do it right at the checkpoint.
          Did you mean that?
          If I'm wrong, please tell me how?
          1. Dante Alighieri
            Dante Alighieri 21 December 2022 08: 49
            +2
            If I'm wrong, please tell me how?

            You know, on the one hand, everything seems to be correct and logical, but on the other hand, we are seeing a picture when hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian men, who, as you say, are sleeping and see how to dump, instead of starting to massively go over to the side of the enemy, they put up staunch resistance and even hit hard? At the same time, for the vast majority, before all these events, this very enemy was not an enemy at all, but the same simple guy speaking the same language, only by a whim of fate found himself on the other side of the state border that appeared out of nowhere. Those. it seems that there is ground for fraternization, but fraternization does not occur. So why should there be a mass exodus of Ukrainian husbands from their land?
      3. Belisarius
        Belisarius 20 December 2022 21: 51
        0
        Quote: Red Biker
        I am an author. I will listen with gratitude to at least one "counterargument" about what would be bad for Russia if right tomorrow there are a lot of dissenting and even doubting Ukrainians

        Everyone is fine, but this is absolute idealism. Akin to the question - why would it be bad to distribute 1 million rubles to each resident of Russia? Everyone is fine. It's just that they won't give it away.
        In our case, no one will be released. Moreover, punishments will be toughened even more. You can even apply to the UN, even to Sportloto. You can say in the UN, but it will be perceived as the cynicism of the aggressor. Why would a howling country let men out?
        We can’t shake anything inside Ukraine - they will immediately declare Putin’s agent, etc.
        In order for the situation inside Ukraine to change, Maidan Ukrainians need to take away faith in victory, but give faith in inevitable death . I'm not going to shoot Russians, and then I'll leave for the EU. And I will be returned in parts or not returned at all. When it is truly massive, only then will the unrest in Ukraine begin.
        1. Chervony Biker
          21 December 2022 03: 00
          +2
          If you distribute a million, there will be inflation. I thought you know...
          All other arguments in the style of "it is impossible and will not work" are relevant only with high degrees of risk or huge investments to get a result.
          Here, only the sluggish frictions of our diplomats are needed. With no negative consequences.
          You are talking about "cynicism" ...
          Yes, this happens in war. For example, give without a fight, but after the referendum Kherson.
      4. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 20 December 2022 21: 57
        +2
        Quote: Red Biker
        if right tomorrow - a lot of dissenting and even doubting Ukrainians. Introducing chaos, he will rush into Europe in the number of a couple of million. Dragging behind him those who ended up in the Wehrmacht's coming out against their will.

        The problem is that Europe is a stakeholder in the continuation of the war, so it will never see any human rights violations. If Zelensky does not have enough "meat", then Europe, at his request, having filtered out narrow specialists for their needs, will begin to deport those Ukrainians who are able to hold weapons in their hands, thereby demonstrating their "solidarity" and unloading their budget from payments " aid for refugees. It is not for nothing that now almost all over Europe centers are being opened for training Ukrainian militants according to NATO standards, firing from their "shot courses" several thousand "zahisniks", who are partially recruited from among those who fled from the war.
        In Russia? So a bunch of ideological pests recruited by the SBU can come with them, and here serious measures will already be needed to identify and neutralize them. For some reason, cases of accidents, explosions and fires at energy facilities and oil refining facilities have become more frequent in our country. It’s cheaper not to let them in, but to turn them back, so that they fix and demolish what they themselves jumped from the throne. Why should our fighters die while the Ukrainian runners are deciding where it’s safer for them to sit out? Several hundred thousand Ukrainians also came to us as refugees, but I have never heard of them calling to form a military unit to fight the junta and liberate Ukraine from the American protectorate and puppet regime.
        1. Chervony Biker
          21 December 2022 03: 21
          +1
          The problem is that you think that Europe is "interested" in continuing the war.
          Although in Europe itself, anyone will answer you that the States are interested.
          To be honest, I did not expect such a depth of delusion among the authors of many comments.
          That's bad...
          In the minds of many, the war against the coming out of fascism of representatives of many peoples of the USSR.
          It looks like a war between Russia and the Ukrainian fascists.
          At the same time, the Ukrainians are all at the same time and they just need to be destroyed.
          And further...
          And tell me, if you give advice. How can I, a Ukrainian, "form a military unit to fight the junta"?
          1. Mihail0221
            Mihail0221 21 December 2022 09: 11
            -1
            It looks like a war between Russia and the Ukrainian fascists.
            At the same time, the Ukrainians are all at the same time and they just need to be destroyed.

            Many Russians have lost relatives and friends, many relatives and relatives are now at war. The atrocity of the Ukrainian peoples overflowed the patience of the Russian peoples (I'm not talking about the government, I'm talking about the Deep People, on whom Russia is based).
            Here often from Ukraine I hear wishes of death to our president. I always answer: "He is a liberal while he is alive, you are alive ... if there was another conservative leader in power, then fluff and feathers would have flown from you in different directions for a very long time."
            1. Chervony Biker
              21 December 2022 17: 05
              0
              What "Ukrainian peoples" are you talking about?
              There is a CIVIL war going on, big Ukraine and Russia supporting it, with Galichnaya (heirs of Bandera) who seized Ukraine (heirs of Bandera) and the West supporting them.
              And nothing else.
              It doesn't matter what the seal was in the passport and with what coat of arms the passport itself.
              It matters which side you are on.
          2. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 21 December 2022 10: 17
            +1
            Quote: Red Biker
            The problem is that you think that Europe is "interested" in continuing the war. Although in Europe itself, anyone will answer you that the States are interested.
            To be honest, I did not expect such a depth of delusion among the authors of many comments.

            This is not my opinion, this was publicly announced a few days ago through the mouth of the former Chancellor A. Merkel, who, being the guarantor of the implementation of the Minsk agreements, said that Europe was not going to fulfill Minsk and used this agreement to to buy time, arm and prepare Ukraine for war.
            So, to be honest, I did not expect that you, as the author, undertook to write an article, approached this one-sidedly and only superficially knowing the essence of the problem you are writing about.
            Quote: Red Biker
            In the minds of many, the war against the coming out of fascism representatives of many peoples of the USSR. It looks like a war between Russia and the Ukrainian fascists.
            At the same time, the Ukrainians are all at the same time and they just need to be destroyed.

            This is the war with the Ukrainian fascists, who contracted to fight with Russia in the interests of the United States, Britain and the EU. In the Armed Forces of Ukraine there is a part of those who doubt and are fooled by propaganda, but most of them are still ideological, especially in the terrorist battalions, the National Guard, and the defense, while they all receive salaries from the US budget. Everyone remembers how Ukrainians, even before the war, shouted “Moskalyaku for Gilyak”, “for knives”, “cut Rusnya”, and then they collected money for the war via SMS, how they went to Donbass with “slave-ruler” chevrons, etc. Sobering up to them began to come only after their losses in the Donbass began to move from units to thousands, and their homes in the depths of Ukraine plunged into darkness. Before that, they were quite comfortable and everything suited them. Yes, there were those Ukrainians who were in the anti-Maidan, who were in the house of trade unions in Odessa, but they are in a clear minority and for the most part have already left the square. And yes, I didn’t write anywhere about the need to destroy all Ukrainians, but I insist that all those who hold weapons in their hands and fight for the Kyiv regime are subject to destruction.
            Quote: Red Biker
            And tell me, if you give advice. How can I, a Ukrainian, "form a military unit to fight the junta"?

            However, Ukrainians have never had problems organizing themselves in almost any city in Russia on the principle of community, so why is this community not reformatted into a volunteer movement in order to side with the forces of Donbass? No proactive? Again, in the European foreign countries, they demonstrate a fairly high level of organization and arrange flash mobs with jam, depicting the "raped and innocently killed" with blocking the roadway, going through the torment with ensigns and dead. Why can they do it, but not here?
            1. Mihail0221
              Mihail0221 21 December 2022 11: 01
              -1
              and then collected money for the war via SMS,

              There was information that the volunteer movement in Ukraine is more developed than in Russia.
              Sobering up began to come to them only after their losses in the Donbass began to go from units to thousands, and their homes in the depths of Ukraine plunged into darkness.
              absolutely right. It's not 2014, but almost 2023.
              However, Ukrainians have never had problems organizing themselves in almost any city in Russia on the principle of community, so why is this community not reformatted into a volunteer movement in order to side with the forces of Donbass?
              what can I say. Your comment on the article is by far the best one written here. good
            2. Chervony Biker
              21 December 2022 17: 15
              0
              Large comments are difficult to read, so I will answer thesis
              PRO MERKEL
              Remember about the barn, what is written on it and what actually lies there.
              So ...
              Old Angela, she did it, I'm sure that consciously - a huge gift to our leadership. It untied our hands. And it will be included in the textbooks of diplomacy. On behalf of all honest Europeans, she asked the GDP to finish off the fascist reptile and not succumb to persuasion and promises.
              I'm surprised you didn't understand this...
            3. Chervony Biker
              21 December 2022 17: 33
              +1
              "MOST OF UKRAINIANS"
              Please share your calculation method. Today, even taking into account the huge coverage by age, taking into account all the volunteers, there will not be even 1 million active Nazi shoblas.
              It's 1 out of 35, doesn't pull it for the majority.
              On Odessa sites, tearful obituaries of denazified "Heroes" are published every day. And just yesterday, for the first time I saw two residents of Odessa, And it's not a fact that they are from Odessa. And for almost a year, they were exclusively Roguli from the region and even immigrants from other regions. This specifically, well characterizes for whom Odessa.
              I have many acquaintances from Western Ukraine. They all really dislike Putin, but none of them went to war. No one ! The reason is very simple - they are smart enough and self-sufficient. They don't have to go into the trenches for money. And they know very well that their region will go to Poland and they have nothing to fear.
              Summarizing everyone under one brush, now can only harm us.
            4. Chervony Biker
              21 December 2022 18: 28
              0
              Fellowships and SELF-ORGANIZATION
              Never had anything to do with the community. There are many interesting activities that are not related to grouping on a national basis.
              But the answer here is quite obvious.
              Those who left before the war from Ukraine, either to Russia or to Europe, did so solely for economic reasons.
              Some gravitated more towards bold Europe, others towards a more understandable Russia.
              But both of them left their homes for the sake of a calm and more well-fed life.
              This is absolutely not the contingent that wants to go into the trenches now. And this applies equally to that of a Ukrainian taxi driver in St. Petersburg, that of a Ukrainian builder in Poznan. These are patriots of sausage and wallet.
              Regarding "self-organization" ... Strange ...
              You really do not understand that it is possible to "self-organize" into a combat detachment ONLY with the participation and instructions of the authorities.
              Or in the absence of power as such.
              Both Sidor Artemovich and Nestor Ivanovich organized their detachments precisely during the period of NO power.
              Even if you come to the draft board with a group of fellow Ukrainians, this will first of all strain the officials from the army. And they will definitely either ban at some stage (if something didn’t work out) or they will do everything through jo..u.
              https://topwar.ru/198792-gde-nasha-upa-.html
              Now about the "performances" ... Again, by!
              In Europe, they will tear ... for an incorrectly parked car or crossing the road to a prohibitory traffic light. And not like crawling in front of cars at traffic lights. Like in the Czech Republic.
              Those. Behind all these coming out performances are again local politicians / authorities and the money allocated for this.
              Today, "self-organization" is the same as "at the request of the workers" in the USSR.
    4. Ml. Sergeant
      Ml. Sergeant 26 December 2022 16: 38
      0
      Yes, it is, what a sin to conceal. What they say and do
  3. Eug
    Eug 20 December 2022 16: 47
    +13
    Russian propaganda is a rare primitive. Self-satisfied television commentators ask secondary questions, answer each other with pleasure (rooster and cuckoo), but there are no answers to the most pressing questions - the goals and objectives of the NWO are formulated so "streamlined" ..
    1. filibuster
      filibuster 20 December 2022 17: 46
      +4
      Well, what kind of internal politics and propaganda is this, we have no internal political competition for a long time, hence everything else is built.
    2. Chervony Biker
      20 December 2022 20: 17
      +1
      With rare exceptions, you are right unfortunately.
  4. Bolt cutter
    Bolt cutter 20 December 2022 16: 47
    0
    gratuitous labor force from Ukraine.
    He does not hesitate to openly say "I came to Europe to live like a man, and not work like a donkey." That's why the dill liked the original plan for joining the EU - they thought they would go to rich countries and get benefits in Panuvata social housing. To work on farms and warehouses in Europe they forced nowwhile on bird rights.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 20 December 2022 17: 07
      +3
      Quote: Bolt Cutter
      He does not hesitate to openly say "I came to Europe to live like a person, and not work like a donkey."

      Definitely, we are the same. Of the 80 refugees, 000 are working, while the rest are waiting for "manna from heaven", or, as they say, "work in their specialty."
      1. Bolt cutter
        Bolt cutter 20 December 2022 19: 49
        0
        "professional job"
        As one told me - if the manager in the office for 50 pounds per hour - why not laughing . And for a penny, I'd rather relax yes .
        Out of 80 refugees
        Are the kurats themselves happy about this?
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 21 December 2022 11: 35
          +1
          Quote: Bolt Cutter
          Are the kurats themselves happy about this?

          Their mentality is not ours, the majority is silent, but there are those who tear their ass for them, while others, like my friend, say - "Come in large numbers, these Indians, they promised 10, and there are already 000 of them!" Now they have already eaten "square" up to their throats and a negative attitude is observed among the people, and the government, like the whole West, is waiting for instructions from behind a puddle.
    2. haron
      haron 22 December 2022 23: 48
      -1
      Quote: Bolt Cutter
      That's why the dill liked the original plan for joining the EU - they thought they would go to rich countries and get benefits in Panuvata social housing.

      Is it really that bad with themes for fantasies or self-exaltation?!
      Citizens of the EEC countries have the right to "social programs" only in the country of which they are a citizen. That is, if Ukraine joined the EEC, then you can forget about the social sphere. Otherwise, all Greeks or Romanians would have already moved to Norway.
      1. Bolt cutter
        Bolt cutter 23 December 2022 12: 04
        0
        Citizens of the EEC countries have the right to "social programs" only in the country of which they are a citizen.
        I personally know Irish, Italian, Portuguese, Lithuanian and Latvian citizens who have lived (and/or live) in the UK on welfare. I also knew a Latvian who did the same in the Netherlands.
        1. haron
          haron 23 December 2022 12: 45
          0
          Quote: Bolt Cutter
          in the UK on benefits

          Brits are not in the EEC.
          Quote: Bolt Cutter
          knew a Latvian who did the same in the Netherlands.

          So either he received citizenship, or he has a company there and paid social programs there for at least 15 years. No other way. And even then, if he is not a refugee from third countries (and Latvia is not a third country), then he can receive it for no more than six months.
          1. Bolt cutter
            Bolt cutter 23 December 2022 12: 55
            0
            Brits are not in the EEC.
            That's why they left, but they were still quite recently. And in those very times, my wife, a citizen of France, received the allowance (the company closed and she was put out on the street). And her sidekick and countryman lived in Edinburgh in social housing at the expense of the state and created "masterpieces". He said he would be the second Dali wassat . And then there was a buzz all over England when an African Frenchman (Negro with a passport) came with his brood and received an eight-room house and benefits for his entire clan.
  5. break_beats
    break_beats 20 December 2022 16: 59
    -13
    Quote: Eug
    Russian propaganda is a rare primitive. Self-satisfied television commentators ask secondary questions, answer each other with pleasure (rooster and cuckoo), but there are no answers to the most pressing questions - the goals and objectives of the NWO are formulated so "streamlined" ..


    And in my opinion, the goals and objectives of the NWO are very clear and explicit good
  6. 1razvgod
    1razvgod 20 December 2022 17: 03
    0
    This won't work for the most part. And before that, the Urks knew perfectly well about bribes at the border and about forced mobilization, etc., and this did not prevent them from conducting military operations with success, Ukraine would open the border and nothing would change. So much blood has already been shed that now there will be a war until someone pours it out of another to the last drop, it's time to stop believing in fairy tales on the 24th showed all miscalculations and deceptive hopes
    1. Chervony Biker
      20 December 2022 20: 25
      +2
      Maybe you are right...
      We live in times of great disappointment.
      But it costs us nothing to "call" in the UN about the fate of Ukrainians who are not allowed to travel abroad.
      And if you suddenly manage to "let everyone go", then success will be comparable to a breakthrough in the front.
      In terms of image and ideological, there are no risks either.
      1. 1razvgod
        1razvgod 20 December 2022 20: 58
        0
        I agree it should be done but approach it professionally. But I'm not sure that it won't work as usual. Well, we don’t get much information, but the one who does nothing is not mistaken. We must do it, but not because our speaking mustaches blurt out what is embarrassing to listen to, we must take it more seriously. And in general, in everything more seriously, the times are not the same now
        1. Chervony Biker
          20 December 2022 22: 47
          0
          My opportunities may not be enough to speak at the UN recourse
          I really hope that there is still gunpowder in diplomatic powder flasks.
    2. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 20 December 2022 21: 10
      0
      open border ukraine
      About the fate of the last piglet who will get a tit near the anus laughing dill know well. Therefore, if it is possible, they will rush in order to have time to snatch at least something in Europe, because there is not enough for everyone. Another thing is that in Europe they also know about it, and therefore everything will remain as it was.
      1. Chervony Biker
        20 December 2022 22: 52
        +1
        I give you a huge plus! You still know the peculiarities of the mentality of my compatriots
        1. Bolt cutter
          Bolt cutter 20 December 2022 23: 06
          +1
          features of the mentality of my compatriots
          I lived in a town that was recently bombed (I lived during the union, I was lucky), and in London I didn’t talk to those who came to defend Londonets-on-Thames from the Ivans. yes
        2. haron
          haron 23 December 2022 00: 07
          -2
          Quote: Red Biker
          You still know the peculiarities of the mentality of my compatriots

          And what are these "features" of the mentality that Comrade "Bolt Cutter" described? Probably this is "Snatch in Europe". How do you and he imagine this new and breakthrough "snatching" of individual Ukrainians?
          Let me remind you that before the war, about 5 million Ukrainians already tore Europe to pieces quite legally and legally)) I also remind you that about 20% of the refugees who left for Europe in the spring returned back.
          Let me also remind you that no more than 10% of Ukrainians who left for Europe do not want to return back. The rest are waiting for the end of the war and are saving up money for a "cherry billy hut."
          Quote: Red Biker
          I give you a huge plus!

          I give you a minus. You don't know the mentality of your people well. Ukraine, to put it mildly, is not the best state. And largely because of the desire to build three-meter forged fences around their 25 acres (of course, higher than that of a neighbor) ... but precisely OWN acres, which are no further than a kilometer from the graves of their ancestors.
          1. Chervony Biker
            23 December 2022 04: 49
            0
            All together again...
            "Ukrainian state"
            "Ukrainian people"
            "Ukrainians"
            All these three seemingly close concepts are in fact infinitely far from each other.
            - UKRAINIAN STATE, this is a nationalist chimera that periodically arises through the efforts of political adventurers. This project is choked with the blood of the Ukrainians themselves.
            - UKRAINIAN PEOPLE people who believed the nationalists
            sincerely or trying to monetize this idea using the historical moment. The whole world around us begins to be divided into "guilty" and "should"
            - UKRAINIANS are people of various nationalities who identify themselves by their place of residence. The northern Black Sea region and the southern Russian lands are a kind of "melting pot" that has developed among those who have mastered this region, some features inherent only to them. Individualism included.
            By the way, I had a wire fence so that the dog would not run out. And with Ukrainians in the family, so that any nationalist will be envious.
            1. haron
              haron 23 December 2022 12: 53
              -2
              Quote: Red Biker
              All these three seemingly close concepts are in fact infinitely far from each other.

              All three of these concepts exist "here and now" in real time. And the fact that you yourself invented their "fictitiousness" does not prevent them from successfully resisting the Russian army in fact, in real time. Doesn't it seem strange that "casting (chimera)" does kill.
              Denying reality is a sure way to suicide.
          2. Chervony Biker
            23 December 2022 05: 01
            0
            I have already noticed a feature that people who have listened to a couple of lectures in Moscow on the types of "Ukrainian shit" and have received a diploma about it consider themselves "specialists in Ukraine".
            This is the reason for all the "obsessions" of Russian politicians in this direction for 30 years.
            I often have to communicate with such "comrades" ...
            Blatant incompetence and exorbitant aplomb, that's all of them.
            1. haron
              haron 23 December 2022 12: 58
              -2
              Quote: Red Biker
              I have already noticed a feature that people who have listened to a couple of lectures in Moscow on the types of "Ukrainian shit" and have received a diploma about it consider themselves "specialists in Ukraine".

              It smells of aplomb from a citizen of Ukraine who has dumped abroad and dreams of returning back, having previously cleared the territory for the return of tactical nuclear weapons. At the same time, you are voicing completely opposite meanings, which are fully consistent with the worst features of the Ukrainian mentality. Thank God that in Ukraine there are no more than a quarter of them.
          3. Bolt cutter
            Bolt cutter 23 December 2022 13: 31
            +1
            completely legal and legitimate
            Tourist visa-free is not considered No.
            no more than 10% of Ukrainians who left for Europe do not want to return back
            about 20% of the refugees who left for Europe in the spring returned.
            Because instead of houses on the French Riviera and apartments in the center of London, they got barracks in the villages of Bulgaria laughing .
            1. haron
              haron 23 December 2022 13: 49
              0
              Quote: Bolt Cutter
              instead of houses on the French Riviera and apartments in the center of London, they received barracks in the villages of Bulgaria

              Genius answer. To leave for Bulgaria to get a French villa .... even a gloomy gypsy genius could not invent and implement such a thing. For such requirements, you will instantly get a bed in a Bulgarian psychiatric hospital and not a villa and London.)))
              1. Bolt cutter
                Bolt cutter 23 December 2022 13: 55
                +1
                So your countrymen are already full of comments that they, the defenders of Europe laughing treated inappropriately and given little. And what they thought about, probably about free air and railway tickets for the EU for ukrobezhentsev. Although who knows what stupid people think about and whether they think at all.
                1. haron
                  haron 23 December 2022 14: 24
                  0
                  Quote: Bolt Cutter
                  So your fellow countrymen are already full of comments that they, the defenders of Europe, are treated inappropriately and given little. And what they thought about, probably about free air and railway tickets for the EU for ukrobezhentsev.

                  So yes. There are complaints. I myself often very loudly explain to refugees that having medical insurance does not mean that the doctor must do what the patient requires.
                  And thank God!! After a couple of weeks of "breaking" they still begin to understand in what social swamp they lived.
                  But when they return home, to their villa, they will no longer make Maidans when they are required to pay taxes, medical insurance, buy a ticket for a tram and pay a fine on time.
                  1. Bolt cutter
                    Bolt cutter 23 December 2022 14: 27
                    0
                    they will no longer make Maidans when they are required to
                    Aren't they going to spit on Green Park with the Ems again, too?
                    1. haron
                      haron 23 December 2022 15: 38
                      -2
                      Quote: Bolt Cutter
                      will they no longer spit Green Park with the Ems?

                      I can't promise. But if the issue is resolved radically, as many here suggest - to kill everyone, then they definitely won’t.
                      And if you kill all the Germans, then no one will fart loudly in public places. And if all the Czechs in addition, then no one will loudly blow snot in public places.
                      1. Bolt cutter
                        Bolt cutter 23 December 2022 15: 50
                        0
                        I didn’t see a single farting German or a snotty Czech (I didn’t go for this, however). As I did not see groups of homosexual drug addicts in Holland. I have not seen even Englishmen drinking tea strictly at 5 pm in 20 years in England (they drink more beer here at 5 pm). But I saw your fellow countrymen hacking under Debowe (the Polish version of the Baltic-9ki) and spat on benches within a radius of three meters in London more than once.
                      2. haron
                        haron 23 December 2022 17: 29
                        -2
                        Quote: Bolt Cutter
                        But I saw your fellow countrymen hacking under Debowe (the Polish version of the Baltic-9ki) and spat on benches within a radius of three meters in London more than once.

                        It is quite possible that he has not been in London for more than a year. However, over the past year, neither in Germany, nor in the Czech Republic, nor in Poland have I seen such a picture.
                        I don’t understand what you want to say by this, or justify, or show.
                      3. Bolt cutter
                        Bolt cutter 23 December 2022 22: 00
                        -1
                        After your assertion that
                        Citizens of the EEC countries have the right to "social programs" only in the country of which they are a citizen.
                        which is 100% bullshit, confirmation of which I personally saw more than once or ten (I am an experienced immigrant yes ), all your sophistries have only a slightly entertaining effect.
                      4. haron
                        haron 23 December 2022 22: 29
                        -1
                        Quote: Bolt Cutter
                        (I'm a seasoned immigrant)

                        Clear. Sit on the social network running from one country to another with a passport of Ukraine.
                        Quote: Bolt Cutter
                        which is 100% bullshit
                        Well, yes. Give at least one example (ten is not necessary) when a citizen of a particular EEC country "was on social security" in another specific EEC country (in what year, for how long and how much money). And I will not be lazy and find the law of this country confirming your words. If you are right, then I confess that I lied.
                        PS. Although I wrote that for a short period this is possible. But there is no way to "sit" and do nothing for years.
                      5. Bolt cutter
                        Bolt cutter 23 December 2022 22: 38
                        0
                        having a passport of Ukraine.
                        God bless - I am a citizen of Latvia by birth, British by naturalization tongue
                        moving from one country to another
                        But your land Bogdan in the 2000s did this in the Benelux until he was deported. True, then with a Romanian passport he climbed here.
                        Give at least one example
                        My wife during the EU in London. One example from many I know.
                      6. Bolt cutter
                        Bolt cutter 23 December 2022 23: 11
                        0
                        "sit" and do nothing for years.
                        The Irishman lived on benefits in social housing for 15 years after his release; he was even proud that he had never worked. Again, I know about five such examples.
                        Although I wrote that for a short period this is possible
                        Citizens of the EEC countries have the right to "social programs" only in the country of which they are a citizen. not your quote tongue ?
                      7. haron
                        haron 24 December 2022 12: 09
                        -1
                        Quote: Bolt Cutter
                        Irishman lived on benefits in social housing for 15 years after his release
                        Do you even know that between Britain and Ireland there are their own "internal" treaties. And that the Irish convicted under certain articles are OBLIGED to be in Britain.
                        It was about the fact that, according to you, accept Ukraine in the EEC, then all Ukrainians dumped the BV in the EEC and sat down on the social.
                        And I'm telling you that it's not possible. For social, you must either be a citizen of this country or comply with long-term requirements that are individual for each country.
                        Ukrainians can count on permanent social security only as refugees from third countries.
                        And yes, how much do Ukrainians now pay per month?? 200 pounds, right? You can live in London on £200 a month... without a home.
                      8. Bolt cutter
                        Bolt cutter 24 December 2022 12: 40
                        0
                        Irish convicted under certain articles
                        These articles do not include theft and drunken scuffle-bytovuha. Irish people are also harder to deport to Ireland.
                        And I'm telling you that it's not possible
                        Speak to your health - I have personally seen examples of the opposite.
                        Do you even know what
                        Wise kaa in the Ukrainian version laughing
                        all Ukrainians dumped BV in the EEC and sat down on the social.
                        Romanians do something like this - they leave for Europe in villages. And the Ukrainians did not hesitate to tell me that they would do the same. Didn't burn out.
                        You can live in London on £200 a month
                        And they made up the budget based on 2000 per week sad Englishwoman shits so shits yes . Not otherwise under the influence of Putin laughing .
                      9. haron
                        haron 24 December 2022 13: 24
                        0
                        Last reply. I no longer see the point of kneading water in a mortar.
                        Quote: Bolt Cutter
                        Romanians do something like this - they leave for Europe in villages.

                        Romanian gypsies can leave for social services. In the EEC, separate laws work for gypsies.
                        Let me remind you about the scandal when, as you write, "a whole village" of Transcarpathian Gypsies, they asked for asylum in Slovakia, and then it turned out that they have Hungarian passports. The Slovaks denied them asylum and sent them to the Hungarians, who refused them asylum because of their Hungarian citizenship - go to work. Mutuzili them for more than a month until they scattered like rats in different directions.
                      10. Bolt cutter
                        Bolt cutter 24 December 2022 13: 32
                        0
                        Transcarpathian Gypsies, asked for asylum in Slovakia
                        They, unlike your countrymen, do not seek asylum, they simply come, enjoying the status of EU citizens and freedom of movement. If they asked, it is clear that they sent.
                        In the EEC, separate laws work for gypsies.
                        Your last thesis, like the first one (at the beginning of the "conversation" - it is the impossibility of receiving benefits in the EU by foreigners outside their countries) - 100% bullshit yes A Romanian gypsy, from the point of view of a social assistance office in England or Finland (for example), is nothing more than a citizen of Romania, one of the EU countries. Non-gypsies from Romania travel the same way, by the way. And my wife is not a gypsy.
                      11. haron
                        haron 24 December 2022 11: 59
                        0
                        Quote: Bolt Cutter
                        But your land Bogdan in the 2000s did this in the Benelux until he was deported.

                        Is Ukraine already in the EEC?
                        Quote: Bolt Cutter
                        True, then with a Romanian passport he climbed here.

                        And sits there for more than half a year on the social network?
                        Quote: Bolt Cutter
                        My wife during the EU in London. One example from many I know.

                        What is your wife in London? What passport did she have, what year was it? How long has she been on welfare? Or she was the wife of a British citizen with a Latvian passport, these are slightly different things.
                      12. Bolt cutter
                        Bolt cutter 24 December 2022 12: 13
                        0
                        Or is she with a Latvian passport
                        She has only one passport, received by birth in France. And he did not prevent her from receiving benefits in 2017 (that is, in the EU). Around the same time, the underpicasso lived and worked in Edinburgh entirely at public expense. And also with a French passport.
                        And sits there for more than half a year on the social network?
                        Sitting down, by the way. Then he went to sit in another social housing, with a regime, feeding and security laughing Then I don't know.
                        Is Ukraine already in the EEC?
                        Thank God no, otherwise such "cunning" would not be brushed aside.
  7. rocket757
    rocket757 20 December 2022 17: 20
    -2
    Help let go
    about the "giraffe", let go on all four sides ... in general, it's understandable.
    The question is ... how will the Kukuev authorities be / be able to ensure the survival of the civilian population now that winter is in and the infrastructure for providing cities and large settlements has been destroyed / disrupted ???
    1. Chervony Biker
      20 December 2022 20: 43
      0
      I will try to answer.
      First, no one cares about anyone. There is a lot of chatter on the part of the Junta's coming out, but there is only one way out for the little Ukrainian - go to war to support his family.
      Regarding the conditions of survival ... It was about the same in the 90s without any war.
      And the vector of discontent among the population in Ukraine is very blurred. Blame, from Putin to Zelensky. From local power engineers to hucksters who sell electricity abroad. We are all Slavs. And regardless of who is "Bandera's father", and who Vladimir Vladimirovich is tested, they are ready to endure any staunchly.
      Without success on the fronts and the liberation of Russian cities, only pressure on the infrastructure - we will not see Victory.
      And you need to start with the termination of agreements.
      1. 1razvgod
        1razvgod 20 December 2022 21: 01
        -3
        Agreements ..... This is generally a nail in the coffin of the faith of the people, when some blood is poured, they lose their health, some iPhones give life and killers to rest and carry. Will faith remain after this?!? We have HOPE and this is our earthly compos
      2. rocket757
        rocket757 20 December 2022 23: 08
        0
        Quote: Red Biker
        no one will take care of anyone.

        Obvious and ... not even probable, it will be so.
        Quote: Red Biker
        We are all Slavs.

        I wrote about this more than once ... patience crossed with foolishness, with something else, a fatal "hybrid" turned out.
        Quote: Red Biker
        Without success on the fronts

        And I wrote about it, I write and I will write until ... victory!
        He asked the question ... yes, just like that, there weren’t and never will be answers, travel ones.
  8. fiv
    fiv 20 December 2022 17: 30
    +1
    People get used to everything, moreover, having got used to it, they begin to see the advantages in their current existence. If you open the borders of Ukraine, few people, except for conscripts, will "blow". Moreover, our offensive is not rushing, but barely crawling. They are mostly used to it. And someone healed better than before SBO. The author's ideas are not viable.
    1. Chervony Biker
      20 December 2022 20: 56
      0
      I understand that judging by the comment, you have nothing to do with Ukraine.
      Imagine that at least those who will be able to be drafted into the Armed Forces of Ukraine have left.
      And there will be no one to call.
      They will try to get out of the Armed Forces of Ukraine by all means, knowing that later they can sit out behind the cordon.
      This is not enough, do you think?
      1. fiv
        fiv 20 December 2022 21: 13
        -1
        Introduced. I believe that any small thing in our favor should be used if the required resources cannot be used more efficiently. But how many of them, conscripts, will run away? After all, their ancestors also showed perseverance, heroism and love for the Motherland in battles, they also went to the military registration and enlistment offices themselves. I think that the descendants, albeit with deformity in the head, are not without these qualities. And Slavic stubbornness and passionarity will not go anywhere. Therefore, one should not seriously rely on what the author builds constructions on. And in order for the civilians to run en masse, they need to be scared. We can no longer scare them, they know that they are not in danger of genocide
        1. Chervony Biker
          20 December 2022 23: 15
          +2
          Generalizations again...
          What are the common ancestors of a resident of Kharkov and Kherson? Lvov and Luhansk?
          In Ukraine, even within the same village, carriers of completely different values ​​and ideologies can live.
          No generalizations!
          I had a neighbor grandmother, who was born and raised in western Ukraine. Her Ukrainian was even specific. So she had portraits of Brezhnev and Putin on her wall.
          The failures of the course of the NWO are erroneously explained by the stubbornness and united resistance of the Ukrainians. It's easier than admitting your own mistakes.
          1. fiv
            fiv 21 December 2022 07: 14
            +1
            We did not talk about the failures of the NWO. You and I talked about the flight of citizens of the country to other countries during hostilities of moderate intensity. So I think that the citizens of Ukraine and the citizens of the Russian Federation would behave more or less the same.
            1. Chervony Biker
              21 December 2022 13: 20
              -2
              Those. following your logic - it turns out that the citizens are the same and between today's Ukraine and Russia, do you think there is no difference?
              Let's NOT agree.
              I can't imagine that in Russia they beat up an old man with a St. George ribbon on May 9th. And for raising the red flag on May 1, a criminal case will be opened against you, and then the house will be burned down.
              If we conditionally put an equal sign between Religion and Ideology, then in Ukraine there is a civil war for Faith.
              In such wars, it is very difficult to remain neutral.
              Most people in Ukraine are not for Putin and not for Bandera. They just want to survive, why not give them this chance. Two corridors under UN supervision. One to Poland and further wherever you want, the other in Belarus and further to Russia.
              If at least a couple of million leave, infrastructure maintenance will be done by Ukrainians. collapse.
              1. fiv
                fiv 21 December 2022 13: 28
                -1
                Yes, let there be corridors, at least ten. Only let them go to Europe more. I'm just trying to say that they won't go en masse. As for the Gergiev's ribbon, it's the same with us with a Bandera trident or a Hoch flag for a long time with an unpolished mug. We and Khlokhlo just have different irritants.
                1. Chervony Biker
                  21 December 2022 16: 50
                  0
                  I'm not even sure if you are from Russia?
                  The St. George Ribbon is the same as for the Russians, a symbol of military prowess and glory of the ancestors, and for the people of Ukraine who remember and honor their history.
                  In Germany, National Socialism was massively supported by the majority.
                  In Ukraine, the majority proved unable to resist the small but organized Nazis.
                  Do you understand the difference?
                  1. fiv
                    fiv 21 December 2022 17: 06
                    -1
                    You have too ideal opinion about the inhabitants of Ukraine. I wanted to put your next minus on my own, but it doesn’t work. You will have to try again.
                    1. Chervony Biker
                      21 December 2022 20: 13
                      0
                      My opinion is the most primitive.
                      DO NOT GENERALIZE!
                      Neither residents of the Caucasus, nor residents of Moscow or Ukraine.
                      There are even 27 species of sparrows!
                      It is not always possible to form the correct opinion about ONE person.
                      And you managed about 35 million.
                      But since you like it so much, name ONE exceptional feature inherent in all the inhabitants of Ukraine, without exception, and at the same time completely alien to Muscovites or Siberians.
                      It just doesn't exist, in my opinion.
                      1. fiv
                        fiv 21 December 2022 21: 38
                        -1
                        Ukrainians live in Ukraine. This distinguishes them from Muscovites who live in Moscow
              2. fiv
                fiv 21 December 2022 13: 30
                -1
                And I don’t understand - why are you sculpting cons for me? Are we arguing or do we have enmity not for life, but for death?
                1. Chervony Biker
                  21 December 2022 16: 56
                  +1
                  "minus" is usually put not to the author, but to what he wrote.
                  Or there are no supporters of your ideas.
                  Or the ideas themselves leave much to be desired.
                  But it's much worse when no ratings are given at all
      2. Mihail0221
        Mihail0221 21 December 2022 09: 44
        -1
        Imagine that at least those who will be able to be drafted into the Armed Forces of Ukraine have left.
        And there will be no one to call.e
        You divert attention to minor issues. It does not matter. That is, the bearer of Nazi views will leave for Europe, where he will work up fat, learn a little and come to fight. Second, third round of the war. This is not a solution to the Ukrainian issue.
        1. runway-1
          runway-1 21 December 2022 13: 21
          +1
          Do you already have a "solution to the Ukrainian issue" and it is by chance not according to the recipe of one late historical figure and his associates?! winked
        2. Chervony Biker
          21 December 2022 13: 28
          -1
          Doesn't it bother you that Germany is the most anti-fascist country in Western Europe today?
          Have you ever wondered why?
          Fat - does not contribute to fascist ideas.
          And further...
          I personally prefer to see a "bearer of ideas" from Ukraine - with a perforator at a construction site in Poland than in a trench near Kherson or Artemovsk
  9. Belisarius
    Belisarius 20 December 2022 17: 43
    +1
    The article is extremely idealistic. Since 2014, the former Ukraine has become simply a territory controlled by the West, the local native population is used only for their interests. Interest number one is to use them as cannon fodder. Therefore, all exit routes were immediately closed for them, and no one will open them. All male citizens of Ukraine must die for the interests of the US Democratic Party and they have no other fate. Therefore, don’t talk here, no one will let anyone out. It is possible and even necessary to try to swing this topic, but so far it will not work.
    But the article brings up a very important question - what are the weak suits of the enemy (the West)?
    At the moment (given the enchanting conduct of the NMD by the Russian authorities), they have only one weak point - little cannon fodder.
    The Europeans will not fight (except partially for the Poles), the Americans themselves, all the more so, they recruit foreign mercenaries from all over the world. But this is not a solution to problems. So if it is possible to eliminate most of the manpower of Maidan Ukraine, the West will be forced to negotiate.
    By the way, there is no need for illusions that the Ukrainians do not understand what they are fighting for, no one is fighting for any Ukraine, they are fighting precisely to become slaves of the West - he killed a lot of Russians and got a ticket to the future in the Western world, in general, if Ukraine fights well the owner will give them Russian money and accept it in the EU, well, etc.
    And they succeed while we are fighting in the context of world-peace, if only to come to an agreement with Western partners. They feel their complete impunity.
    In order to correct the situation (given that technically we are fighting extremely badly), we need to eliminate this impunity. The destruction of enemy manpower in maximum numbers should be the number one priority. Then their psychology will change, and the West will have no one to replace them.
    1. Chervony Biker
      20 December 2022 22: 22
      0
      I am sure that the name of Sun Tzu tells you a lot.
      And how he urged the enemy fortresses to surrender is also left in history.
      Directly fighting, this is the result of a miscalculation of diplomats.
      So it was, so it is now.
      Why, if to force an enemy soldier to surrender or desert is the way to victory.
      And if you force an enemy worker or one to be mobilized to do this, it causes bewilderment and misunderstanding.
      Where is the logic?
      What is written in the article on the topic is the result of multifaceted studies of the environment that has been successfully resisting our army for almost a year now.
      Being fluent in the language, I have the opportunity to study the mood on resources that are completely closed to the majority of Russians. And oddly enough, it was the Zapadenschina-Galicia that showed the maximum number of people who wanted to leave Ukraine.
      I have already died in the NWO, albeit a distant relative. Friends are fighting. Russian guys are dying every day.
      I believe that any real way to undermine the stubbornness of the enemy and bring our Victory closer must be immediately considered and implemented.
  10. Buyan
    Buyan 20 December 2022 18: 38
    0
    Quote: ASAD
    Here you are not respected, what is better than Ukrainian Nazis? They demand the destruction of the Russian people, you are Ukrainian, so easy to dispose of.

    I put it incorrectly - to dispose of those who took weapons. And you don’t need to be rude, although you probably think that the Internet will endure everything
    1. Chervony Biker
      20 December 2022 21: 00
      0
      Already much better!
      I think that the need to discuss the further reorganization of Ukraine is already gradually maturing.
      Yes, and Russia too.
  11. Boniface
    Boniface 20 December 2022 18: 52
    0
    strange article - "smells" unpleasant
    do you know why?
    Immediately make a reservation I DO NOT DEFEND Nazism, I do not stand FOR all this Ukrainian filth - what's going on there! I DO NOT defend the ENEMIES of RUSSIA! I'm NOT from CIPSO! I think abstractly without indication country - just about this article.

    Young and old people (men and women) in one COUNTRY WERE EDUCATED in the spirit of patriotism by all methods for 30 years - Brought up - now it is CASH country THEY voted for their ruler, they in turn raised their children - THIS IS THEIR country and THEY MUST defend it - IDEAS, ruler, their dream, their home for their children, parents of the elderly. The "troubled times" began - THEY (population) SHOULD defend your country! This is normal for Citizens of their country!

    Why should the borders be opened so that the Rats (people who don't really love their country which from nursed educated work at home) fled?

    But what I wrote applies to ANY country! Even to Russia!!
    We, the Russians, are against those who shamefully fled from the Russian Federation when mobilization was announced! So? And that's just anger!

    So - this article "smells bad" precisely because it "secretly", as it were, encourages citizens to flee from OWN (I'm not writing about a specific country) country - who should pay tribute to their country at the moment "M"!
    As it was in the USSR during the entire Great Patriotic War with Nazi Germany - where exactly the heroism and self-sacrifice of the citizens of the USSR led to VICTORY!
    1. Plate
      Plate 20 December 2022 20: 39
      +1
      Quote: Boniface
      So - this article "smells bad" precisely because it "secretly", as it were, encourages citizens to flee from OWN (I'm not writing about a specific country) country - who should pay tribute to their country at the moment "M"!

      The article does not encourage flight from one's country, it only proposes to encourage him, and in a particular territory. A smart idea, actually.
      Quote: Boniface
      As it was in the USSR during the entire Great Patriotic War with Nazi Germany - where exactly the heroism and self-sacrifice of the citizens of the USSR led to VICTORY!

      But imagine if the Soviet Union managed to "encourage" the citizens of Germany to escape from their homeland at a crucial hour for her. How many fewer victims would the Soviet people have to suffer?
      1. Boniface
        Boniface 20 December 2022 20: 41
        +1
        +
        but the article is strange, somehow "slippery" like the words are correct, but not that
        1. Plate
          Plate 20 December 2022 20: 47
          +2
          Quote: Boniface
          some kind of "slippery" like the words are correct, but not that

          All politics is like that. Clean decisions can be on the level of "clean up the park together" or "have a party tonight." I'm exaggerating, of course: in fact, I think it is possible to make slightly larger decisions while remaining clean. But at the international level, when you are making history, this is no longer guaranteed.
        2. Mihail0221
          Mihail0221 21 December 2022 09: 54
          -2
          but the article is strange, somehow "slippery" like the words are correct, but not that
          this article is another ideological sabotage against Russia.
          1. Plate
            Plate 21 December 2022 10: 48
            +2
            Wow, "ideological sabotage". Fortunately, we have freedom of speech and pluralism of opinions, so the brains of citizens are tempered enough so that everyone can decide this issue for themselves.
      2. Bolt cutter
        Bolt cutter 20 December 2022 20: 59
        0
        would the Soviet Union be able to "encourage" German citizens to escape
        Nothing would have happened - the Germans are not Ukrainians. By the way, it was relatively easy to slip out of the Reich.
      3. Mihail0221
        Mihail0221 21 December 2022 09: 53
        0
        But imagine if the Soviet Union managed to "encourage" the citizens of Germany to escape from their homeland at a crucial hour for her. How many fewer victims would the Soviet people have to suffer?
        nonsense, such would be a minority and influence on the course of the war would not be denied. Shh... I'll tell you a big secret. The German people liked Hitler and his ideas.
        1. Plate
          Plate 21 December 2022 10: 51
          0
          Liked it. Year that way in the 39th, 41st. And in the 44th? Well, I can hardly imagine how the inhabitants of Hamburg, even in the 40th year, could sincerely like Hitler.
        2. Chervony Biker
          21 December 2022 14: 22
          -1
          Looks like it was for Hitler's sympathizers that Dachau was built before the war
          And the number of those who emigrated from the Reich was in the hundreds of thousands.
          Among them were participants in the future Manhattan Project.
      4. Chervony Biker
        21 December 2022 14: 17
        0
        Thanks a lot. You CORRECTLY understood everything.
    2. Chervony Biker
      20 December 2022 21: 54
      +3
      I and most of my friends were born and even educated in the USSR.
      Ukraine is the country that chose me, not me.
      I, my parents, friends, have no debts to Ukraine.
      Just the opposite.
      All 30 years, those who ruled the non-state took more and more from the people.
      So far, this concerned only the economic component - people endured and adapted.
      But from the age of 14, they tried to take away my conscience, honor, history and pride.
      There were millions like me - a civil war began.
      Your comment is very emotional and tends to incite ethnic hatred.
      Ukrainian and fascist are not synonyms.
      I am sure that you will not be able to name even three differences between a Russian-Great Russian and a Russian-Little Russian.
      1. Mihail0221
        Mihail0221 21 December 2022 10: 07
        -2
        Ukrainian and fascist are not synonyms.
        I am sure that you will not be able to name even three differences between a Russian-Great Russian and a Russian-Little Russian.
        these cretins have no other blood except Russian. So to the Dnieper, exactly. And when I hear or see that a person says or writes: I am Ukrainian by nationality, then everything is very clear to me with this person.
        1. Chervony Biker
          21 December 2022 14: 06
          -1
          In my understanding, "Ukraine" is a regional-geographical concept.
          Same as Siberia or Moscow.
          But of course, influencing the formation of the worldview of those living there.
          The main developed features of the Russian "granary" are enterprise and individualism. And utter disrespect for any central authority.
          But those who are now in Ukraine seized power and appointed themselves the main Ukrainians. These are the descendants of Bandera - Galicians. Just, they are not Russians or Ukrainians, they are a separate sub-ethnos that has been formed for almost a millennium and has undergone powerful deformations at the junction of three civilizations.
      2. Plate
        Plate 21 December 2022 10: 52
        0
        Quote: Red Biker
        I am sure that you will not be able to name even three differences between a Russian-Great Russian and a Russian-Little Russian.

        I personally will not name such differences even between a Russian and an American.
        1. Chervony Biker
          21 December 2022 14: 10
          0
          You see ...
          You don't see the gopher, but it's there. And not alone.
          If interested, I can "show where they are"
          1. Plate
            Plate 21 December 2022 14: 49
            +1
            Interesting, let's go. I do not mind reading the digression, if you are not too lazy to write it or give a link.
            1. Chervony Biker
              23 December 2022 20: 49
              +1
              At first I thought I would answer you personally, but maybe someone else will be interested.
              Comments already cover much more than the topic of the article.
              "DIFFERENCES" between, relatively speaking, Russians and Ukrainians, you must start looking for how you want to see them.
              For me, this is more about the DIVERSITY of the Russian character and its ability to adapt and successfully develop new territories.
              The junction of interests of four civilizations (at that time) was not the most peaceful place on earth.
              Austria-Hungary, the Commonwealth, Russia (Muscovy) and the Ottoman Empire, all either already owned or had views of the Northern Black Sea region.
              For an ordinary person, power - not only has it changed, but over the centuries has been very far away.
              From whom it was impossible to fight back, it was necessary be able to adapt
              But, then, belonging to "friend / foe" was determined by belonging to a religious denomination, and not by blood origin.
              Now, this is a personal attitude to the events of relatively recent history.
              But the intensity of passions and the bloody confrontation, from this even more.
              I must say that if it were not for the redneck and stupid ambition of the Poles of the XNUMXth century. then Poland would still be "from mozh to mozh".
              But preferring to continue to spread rot on Orthodoxy and greedy for an increase in the number of registered Cossacks from Bogdan Zinovy, the Poles first lost their outlying lands, and a little later, Poland itself.
              Today's Ukraine, schematically repeats the same path. Khlops jump on the pan rake.
              Returning to the formation of character, this is influenced exclusively by the environment.
              Russians and representatives of other peoples, on the one hand, received vast lands for use - cultivate as much as you can, and not how much you have. More autonomy in decision making.
              The power is somewhere, but it is far away. Therefore, she cares less than waiting for rain. It must be added here that a fair part of the people who moved to the south were completely illegitimate fugitive peasants. Related to any barin or boss without much reverence
              More generous chernozems, and the frontiers of confrontation pushed far to the south and west - assumed no longer a half-starved existence, but for a short time already some accumulations and even greater independence from others - individualism
              Tolerance to any newcomers, provided that they respect the already established rules and do not impose their own. Because the entire southern Russian territory for centuries has been the place where both Germans and Bulgarians, Serbs and Jews with Greeks became RUSSIAN.
              At the same time, everyone left his national as much as he wanted.
              Everything that is happening now in Ukraine has the root of evil - Galicia.
              A completely specific enclave, three quarters of a millennium, which has nothing to do with Rus'.
  12. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 20 December 2022 19: 33
    +3
    I didn’t understand what the article was about))) At first, the author suggests using TNW (and in this case we will be the first country to use such means since 1945 against someone). Then it smoothly transitions to the fact that people fled from Ukraine. Well, let's run, and? It’s not very cool, probably, to sit without gas and electricity in conditions when the streets are full of armed people and at any moment they can “fly in”, not someone else’s so “one’s own”! This is even leaving out the question of mobilizations and the information field, in which such soups regularly shake the air with the use of nuclear weapons.

    Further, the author proposes to "shake" this direction for reasons of our interests. Indicates the direction of impact. But the question is - by whom and where will we "swing"? It will not work out through activity in its own information field - it is quite toxic now for its own people, but for Ukrainians it has been prohibitively toxic for more than a year. We literally squeezed out of it everything more or less focused on us with whining, trash and apocalyptic forecasts. In these Internets of yours, most of our platforms have already been abandoned by Ukrainians, those that are still sitting have developed tolerance to exposure in elephantine doses. Alien platforms will be very good. quickly ban, in the west, too, it’s not in vain that they eat their bread. How are we going to act?) Throwing leaflets, spamming on the radio? Maybe we will give out these most famous 10 rubles to everyone who can get out?
    I have no ideas. No, of course you can shake your flippers and master a bunch of tools, but I don’t see any options to make it EFFECTIVE.
    1. Chervony Biker
      20 December 2022 21: 19
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      I'm sorry you didn't understand.
      I'll try to be very simple...
      At all times, they tried to persuade the enemy to surrender, to surrender the fortress, territory. Reduce its manpower, weaken its rear.
      At one time, the West successfully spoiled the life of the USSR, "caring" for the rights of Jews, sectarians, etc. We cared for the rights of blacks.
      This is also a battlefield. At the same time, it is very efficient and does not require huge resources.
      So clearer?
    2. Chervony Biker
      20 December 2022 21: 38
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      Your comment, pulls on a separate article.
      If you read further than the title of the article, you might have noticed that the methods to remove the population from Ukraine and undermine the support of the Zelensky regime, it is quite possible to try to implement both through Russia's capabilities in the UN and through human rights organizations.
      Even pressure on Ukraine in the style of "freedom to Yuri Detochkin" will be useful to us.
    3. Chervony Biker
      23 December 2022 21: 08
      0
      First, the author proposes to use TNW
      - where did you read this in the article?
      But the question is - by whom and where will we "download"
      - it is strange that you have not heard of international organizations, for which the process itself is sometimes more attractive than the essence. No doubt there are. And is it difficult to stimulate them?
      sit without gas and electricity
      - you will be surprised, but with gas, in Ukraine, outside the b.d. zone. no problems at all. Strange, isn't it?
      Alien platforms will be very good. promptly ban
      if you conduct counter-propaganda on the Move, they will listen and heed. And those who are trying to offend and threaten - expose themselves, go ... mi. For a year without a small war, we have not been allowed to create channels of counter-propaganda on the Move.
      Will we give out 10 rubles to everyone who can get out?
      this is superfluous, they will be given out of the pocket of the Europeans. And after a while, the influx of Ukrainians will cause at least a misunderstanding of some of the locals. Which is also NOT bad.
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 23 December 2022 21: 55
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        Yes, I read it here. Of course, perhaps you, under the word IS IT TIME TO WIPE THE DUST, meant something OTHER, it seems that it didn’t get dusty, so that. We shake them regularly.
        The bloody meat grinder in the style of the First World War raises more questions than delights.
        Naive suggestions, “Isn’t it time to dust off our tactical nuclear weapons?” cause hysteria of "common people" and "philanthropists", both endowed with power and representatives of the people who listen to the tops

        Further on points
        - it is strange that you have not heard of international organizations, for which the process itself is sometimes more attractive than the essence. No doubt there are. And is it difficult to stimulate them?

        There are influential and not very influential organizations, at best they will listen to us and then they will do it differently, at worst we will talk with a half-empty or half-filled "non-factor" hall. From the condemnation of Ukraine by our traditional (and small on the list) allies like Nicaragua and the SAR, little will change. remember a couple. What do you have in mind ? MHG which we recently flooded? Maybe some human rights movements that simply adored us before February 24, and now ...
        You understand what a thing, from the point of view of the international "letter" in this situation, we will rather be considered as an aggressor, and certainly not as a side-truth-seeker and philanthropist. They can mumble something disapproving about the crimes of others we have indicated (like how they reacted to the executions of prisoners by the Armed Forces of Ukraine), but they will not do more.
        If a Western layman is shown pictures of torn houses and refugees and cities without electricity, some fires and explosions, etc. , and then show the executed prisoners of war, the majority will think "well, like, yes, it's not good, but it was not good to climb." After all, they will think this, and the soil there is already fertilized for this. So the op will not have much effect in international, I repeat.
        if you conduct counter-propaganda on the Move, they will listen and heed. And those who are trying to offend and threaten - expose themselves, go ... mi. For a year without a small war, we have not been allowed to create channels of counter-propaganda on the Move.

        And once again I emphasize - to conduct WHERE? Broadcast by radio?) Launch the social network "Friendship"? Throw leaflets over the cities? I can't imagine HOW this could be done on a large scale and NOW. All or almost all the paths have already been chopped off, the population is Ukrainian. also, to a large extent, it was saturated with either complete apoliticality, or a full spectrum of dislike for us and everything that we project. Before all these events, I communicated with many Ukrainians, and our friendship survived both 2014 and what happened later - but now what is happening is really boldly out of sight of these people, like the bubonic plague. I can't imagine any platform without a Western or Ukrainian qualification, where one could conduct "about our" agitation and at the same time have coverage.
        If you are talking about a TV channel, then there are 2 points. Firstly, we generally have completely incompetent, boring, stupid and noisy propaganda, even "on ourselves." If you give these people or their larvae the task of doing "to Ukraine", then they will do another mess with Michael Bohm, Vakarov and Kovtun, from which they will turn inside out.
        And secondly, of course, Ukraine will counteract such broadcasts in various ways - and technically there is no or almost no problem in this.
        The question of organizing this qualitatively one way or another, it rests on the factor of the initial PR of the idea (within the audience), which will then be distributed by word of mouth and expand coverage. How this would have happened in a threatened period - in general, one can imagine. In the military, it’s already impossible to imagine. In a country where people are shot for pro-Russian sympathies, this will not work.
        1. Chervony Biker
          24 December 2022 03: 43
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          “Isn’t it time to wipe the dust off our tactical nuclear weapons?”

          quotation marks, for a person who speaks Russian, suggest some allegorical, conditional meaning.
          I built this phrase by analogy with the well-known classics
          -
          But do not we wave to William, you see, our Shakespeare?

          Personally, I understand that it will definitely be used, but after the number of victims from conventional weapons exceeds all conceivable limits.
          how they reacted to the executions of prisoners
          - we live in a world turned inside out, where the life of a whale lost in shallow water or a cat stuck in a tree causes more resonance than the death of people.
          And do not discount that the moment is not far off when the West will still need to merge Zelensky.
          And the human resources themselves will not be superfluous for many Western countries.
          The combination of these and other factors - suggests the likelihood of success.
          It is extremely difficult to predict whether it will work or not, and what exactly.
          Your further arguments about "radio and leaflets" - sorry, I will not comment.
          To those who make decisions, I would address this ...
  13. evgen1221
    evgen1221 20 December 2022 19: 33
    -1
    Did the author receive money from the CIA, does he work out a fee for the uncontrolled entry of crowds of khataskrayniks into the Russian Federation? Do we need them right now? Any trash will come running and then they will sabotage sabotage, not really, they wanted to go to the EU there and bring down the ungrateful pigs. It’s already warmed them up, it’s too late to convince them, she died so she died.
    1. Chervony Biker
      20 December 2022 21: 30
      +1
      Condition of the task: Khatoskraynik Vasyl, works at a repair plant, in a bakery, as a driver, plumber, etc. He sits without water and without light, but at the same time he can be drafted into the Armed Forces of Ukraine
      Act:
      Collects things and dumps from the warring "nenko"
      Result:
      The enemy economy loses - a repairman, a baker, a driver, etc.
      Enemy aircraft lose their potential mobile reserve.
      Do you think this is bad and will delay the victory of Russia?
      1. evgen1221
        evgen1221 20 December 2022 21: 46
        -1
        I believe that if this skrynik dumps into Europe he adores, then this is not bad, but if in the Russian Federation, then we will get another offended freeloader and not a baker and a plowman. 30 years of instilling hatred and freebies will not just pass with the border crossing. So let his teachers continue to train and feed him there.
        1. Chervony Biker
          20 December 2022 23: 01
          +2
          Well, where did you get about "hatred and freebies"?
          You argue with some kind of harmful clichés.
          As I understand it, after the war, Ukrainians will have to clean their brains. But many Russians also need to be cleaned up. Because delusions, the carrier of which you are - are very dangerous. If you have a desire, you can write in a personal, I will try to dispel your misconceptions. Or read my previously published articles.
  14. runway-1
    runway-1 20 December 2022 19: 51
    -2
    The bloody meat grinder in the style of the First World War raises more questions than delights.
    Yes, and:
    Naive suggestions, “Isn’t it time to dust off our tactical nuclear weapons?” cause hysteria of "common people" and "philanthropists", both endowed with power and representatives of the people who listen to the tops.
    Naive or brutally adventurous proposals???
  15. EVGENIY_VLADIMIROVICH
    EVGENIY_VLADIMIROVICH 20 December 2022 20: 40
    -1
    The right topic was raised by the author, it’s time for the UN to take care of the right of Ukrainians to freedom of movement, family reunification, student education, etc. And it’s time for Yanukovych and the company to work out their miraculous salvation and help fellow countrymen move to Europe with might and main, spending hard-earned hard-earned labor on it ...
  16. Maks1995
    Maks1995 20 December 2022 22: 24
    +3
    The problem is that about all of this, although to a much lesser extent, can be written about Russia.
    When civilians were dumped from Ukraine, our media and authorities were having fun.

    Later, our civilians started dumping us - the authorities went into hysterics ...

    Imperialism. He is similar to everyone.
  17. faterdom
    faterdom 21 December 2022 00: 26
    0
    The smart ones are gone.
    Ours ... have long gone to the Donetsk militias, or moved to Russia.
    They remained ... there was recently a video with one prisoner who complained to our officers about his APU foreman, who halved his salary. Maybe he meant that when they catch that foreman, they will shake out his salary (for military operations against the Russians?) And give it to him?
    So, there is no need to save such a person, nor to torment his way abroad in any direction. And being captured is a happy outcome for him, all other options are worse.
    Such are, like, ordinary people, just multi-vector.
    Ask what Peter did with Mazepa's "simple Cossacks".
    And he was right: he called himself an enemy of Russia, for money, out of stupidity, or "it happened" - keep the answer. And in this we must be consistent, they took pity on Bandera in the 50s, and it cost us dearly.
  18. KSVK
    KSVK 21 December 2022 00: 30
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    Dear author, you really did not quite convey your idea. Well, from my point of view it is. True, with your further comments, I personally kind of figured out what you wanted to convey.
    I'm only afraid that your proposals are not feasible.
    Another thing is that this .... (I don’t even know what to call it) it’s time to stop. And the faster the better. After all, only completely idiots do not understand that on BOTH sides, for the most part, people who do not want to fight at all are fighting. And even more so, they do not understand what they are fighting for. And if the Ukrainians still have a certain motive to protect their home, then the Russians do not understand why they should die.
    And forgive me, but as for me, it's better in Europe. You apparently do not really imagine what Russia is turning into under the leadership of our permanent helmsman.
    1. Negro
      Negro 21 December 2022 10: 02
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      Quote: KSVK
      And even more so, they do not understand why they are fighting

      On the Ukrainian side, there are far fewer such issues.
      Quote: KSVK
      And forgive me, but as for me, it's better in Europe

      )))
    2. Chervony Biker
      21 December 2022 19: 37
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      Thank you for understanding.
      But allow me a few remarks.
      The war must really end - with the complete destruction of Ukrainian fascism.
      The people really live in poverty ... But to improve life, one does not have to bow to Europe and America. No need to become their colony.
      Enough, reforms in society, returning social justice.
      I am for SOCIALISM - 2,0. By work and ability.
      After the Victory over fascism, there will be a serious purge of the snickering, deceitful elite. They and their entourage need to - REMEMBER EVERYTHING!
      "Yeltsin Center" to be converted into a tribunal over their bourgeoisie and thieves-officials
      Regarding "they don't want to fight" - this is completely normal. A mentally healthy person will not kill his own kind without a reason.
      In the same way, my grandfather was not going to kill anyone in the Patriotic War, a mathematics teacher. But I had to.
      It was "they" who came to kill us in Brest and Kyiv in 41
      And their followers, also from the west, came to kill in Donetsk, Lugansk and Odessa in the 14th.
      Let's kill those who came to kill us and there will be PEACE
  19. parusnik
    parusnik 21 December 2022 05: 17
    +3
    Everything is clear, the author wants to leave, but cannot .. For the future, the author. wild boars do not stay in packs, they have a herd ..
    1. Mihail0221
      Mihail0221 21 December 2022 10: 36
      +2
      Everything is clear, the author wants to leave, but cannot .. For the future, the author. wild boars do not stay in packs, they have a herd ..
      summed up. lol Deep. good
    2. Chervony Biker
      21 December 2022 18: 34
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      With analytics, you are so-so ...
      I don't want to leave, but I want to GO BACK. And I want the path to the liberation of the South Russian territories to be less bloody.
      And the intricacies of organizing the community of pigs, sorry - not strong.
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        1. Chervony Biker
          23 December 2022 16: 47
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          I left after the cannonade stopped approaching Odessa. And there were no more cartridges for Saiga for half an hour of battle.
          Just a warning people.
          And a criminal case under a political article was opened against me back in 19. But after 24.02. no human rights activists and international outcry could stop the agility of Bandera Themis.
          I am writing this to a greater extent not to you, the misanthropic doctor.
          And so that the last word is not left behind the slander and stupidity you are spreading.
          They burned down my house, not "wrung it out". Although, against the backdrop of thousands of deaths and grief on our common land, this does not matter to me at all.
          Fascism in Ukraine must be destroyed by any means.
          Including so that you continue to receive boring old women in the clinic, and sew the wounded in the hospital.
          About tactical nuclear weapons ... Re-read what I wrote about this.
          Maybe not the first time, but you will understand.
          I apologize for the harshness of EVERYONE who is forced to read these unpleasant picks with malicious and not very smart commentators
          1. haron
            haron 23 December 2022 18: 18
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            Quote: Red Biker
            I left after the cannonade stopped approaching Odessa. And there were no more cartridges for Saiga for half an hour of battle.

            What approaching "cannonade" could be heard in Odessa? The Russian troops were closest to Odessa on March 13-14, when they approached the village of Luparevo on the left bank of the Southern Bug. And this is more than 100 km in a straight line. All other "cannonades" were carried out by ships of the Black Sea Fleet.
            It turns out that you fought an unequal battle with the Nazis for almost 20 days, being inside the house they had previously burned, and then left for Europe?
            Quote: Red Biker
            And so that the last word is not left behind the slander and stupidity you are spreading.

            What slander on my part? All my conclusions are based only on your texts, which, I repeat, often have mutually exclusive meaning.
            1. Chervony Biker
              23 December 2022 19: 04
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              I can not understand for what purpose, you breed flood?
              What approaching "cannonade"
              - in the first half of March, in the northern part of Odessa and the region, flashes were visible over the horizon and, accordingly, peals.
              Whether it was strikes from ships or something else, it did not matter.
              It was the coming liberation.
              almost 20 days fought an unequal battle
              - you're not healthy...
              Where did I write that I was "fighting"?
              About the burned house, everything is written here.https://topwar.ru/193498-szhech-za-krasnyj-flag-.html
              You pull out of context, add your fruits of a sick imagination and ...
              You seem to be having a lot of fun with this.
              1. haron
                haron 23 December 2022 21: 18
                +1
                Quote: Red Biker
                You seem to be having a lot of fun with this.

                Unfortunately, no.
                Your article, and especially your comments on it, are too emotional. Many events that are negative for you are exaggerated. You encountered the result of understanding such a presentation, for example, in the comments of Mikhail0221, when all the inhabitants of Ukraine are painted with one swamp and called "everything under the root."
                Let me give you a simple analogy. The patient comes and begins to describe his problems and symptoms in a very "colorful" and "slightly embellished" way (so that the doctor would take it seriously). Moreover, the manifestations of many symptoms were indicated as having arisen "about the same time" (in fact, they appeared sequentially throughout life).
                The doctor, having heard such a picture, runs and prescribes an emergency operation, being sure of the presence of brain cancer (for example). He logically thinks that it is better for the patient to remain disabled but live.
                After a major operation and removal of part of the brain, the material is sent to the laboratory for histology to confirm the diagnosis. But instead of a tumor, the histologist sees only focal sclerosis of the vessels, which could easily be compensated by "pills".
                Not only did the patient become disabled, but the doctor was sent to prison.
                Don't you think that the whole current situation with the war looks a lot like this example? They exaggerated a little there, they didn’t check it here, they didn’t specify it here ..... and maybe it’s sho may.
                Emotions need to be hidden deep in your pocket. And in further actions, be guided by pragmatism based on facts. Otherwise, we will kill each other and our descendants and generally turn into real cannibals and not mythical ones.
                1. Chervony Biker
                  24 December 2022 03: 14
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                  much more constructive.
                  Thank you!
                  Now essentially...
                  events that are negative for you
                  - events related to me, in the context of what is happening, in their significance - below zero, even for me personally.
                  I gave my assessment of what is happening in this article back in March.
                  https://topwar.ru/193825-operacija-likvidacija.html
                  And the further, the more I am convinced of my own rightness. (sorry for being rude)
                  Otherwise, we will kill each other and our descendants and generally turn into real cannibals
                  - unfortunately, we will kill and turn.
                  And my article, only a weak attempt to direct public thought - Let them run away rather than have to kill them, losing their own.
                  Who wants to - then will return, if it matches.
                  By the way, it was precisely because of humanism in relation to peaceful people that the SVO stalled to a large extent.
                  Due to the unwillingness to punish 14-year-old gunners to the fullest extent for 2 thousand hryvnias. - Passed Kherson
                  Zelensky, let's be honest - he skillfully covered Kyiv with civilians.
                  And what I wrote about is a completely win-win move that can be made by proxy at zero cost and with successful development - promising our troops strategic benefits.
                  1. haron
                    haron 24 December 2022 11: 50
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                    Quote: Red Biker
                    Zelensky, let's be honest - he skillfully covered Kyiv with civilians.

                    Do you have any idea how you can COMPLETELY evacuate a city of 5 million people. In March, about 30% of the population left it. But by July, more than 15% had already returned there on their own, without coercion. I know this directly. As a representative of the Red Cross, more than 200 refugees from Kyiv and Kharkov were hanged on me in mid-March. Two months later, more than half of the people of Kiev closed insurance, social accounts and returned back. Few people could live on 200 euros a month. It was very difficult for pensioners, women with children, sick people and no knowledge of the language to find work that could be done. Mostly young people remained, or those who are very energetic, or those who already have nowhere to return. The rest went back. Most initially took emigration as a temporary phenomenon. Believe it or not, but Ukrainians will not run away here en masse. Already ate and they and the locals.
                    1. Chervony Biker
                      24 December 2022 17: 15
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                      Do you have any idea how you can FULLY evacuate a city of 5 million

                      I represent much more than in general terms.
                      "Completely" they are not evacuated even in the event of a probable nuclear strike.
                      But all the small, old, superfluous eaters and mouthers are MANDATORY taken out.
                      Well, if the task is not set to do in fact their death and suffering - pictures for those interested in the process.
                      Zelensky, of course, has his own explanation ....

                      According to Volodymyr Zelensky, the reason for his refusal to globally evacuate urban residents was the motivation of the military. He noted that in this way their desire to defend the territory of Ukraine was reinforced. He argued his opinion by the fact that every soldier of the Ukrainian army has relatives and this justifies their incentive to fight. Volodymyr Zelenskyy also noted that the duty to defend lies not only with the military of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. He also stressed that he does not assess this situation as the use of civilians as human shields.
                      Cynical, isn't it?
  20. Buyan
    Buyan 21 December 2022 06: 42
    -1
    Quote: Red Biker
    Are you ready to personally "dispose"?
    Only for the fact that there were no funds, determination and sanity to leave the enraged Ukraine?
    And it seems that you write comments without reading or not understanding what is written in the article.
    Almost everyone wants to leave. Of these, at least half to Russia.
    DO NOT let! This is what the article is about.

    I wrote a little about something else, about those who stayed and took up arms ...
  21. flyer
    flyer 21 December 2022 09: 20
    +1
    Most of all, the faces of the "warriors" who catch people on the border are surprising. Each facial expression seemed to have captured a particularly dangerous criminal.
    1. Chervony Biker
      21 December 2022 18: 41
      0
      All these "cordon guards" will be caught after the war.
      Everyone to whom they broke their lives and robbed to the skin, will be able to find them and present them.
      But ... Among them there are also decent, honest people. Who let the fugitives through, risking their careers and well-being very much.
      You will be surprised, but they only delay a small part
  22. Negro
    Negro 21 December 2022 09: 51
    +4
    )))
    Naive suggestions, “Isn’t it time to dust off our tactical nuclear weapons?” cause hysteria of "common people" and "philanthropists", both endowed with power and representatives of the people who listen to the tops.


    Writes a patriot of the Russian world from the city of Berlin, Germany.

    I am forced to note that questions from both sides are possible to the patriot of the Russian world. From the side of the Ukrainians, it goes without saying. But also from the Russians, and any views. Whatever one may say, it was the stories about bread and salt from the side of such characters that played a significant role in the design and preparation of the SVO that we saw. To put it bluntly, few people like it.
    1. Mihail0221
      Mihail0221 21 December 2022 10: 39
      0
      Whatever one may say, it was the stories about bread and salt from the side of such characters that played a significant role in the design and preparation of the SVO that we saw
      yeah... disinformation on their part was successful.
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    3. Chervony Biker
      21 December 2022 18: 58
      0
      Completely AGREE with you.
      Moscow politicians and analysts have framed the army.
      And I think they continue to do so.
      Even with the surrender of Kherson, it was possible to normally explain to the people that it was not the army that was surrendering the city, but counterintelligence was physically unable to cope with the number of pro-Ukrainian "priot gunners" for pennies.
      What to do with a 14-year-old boy who costs a couple of thousand UAH. on the map will run around the city and report where, what is?
      And we are still not ready for radical ways to counteract this.
      Russian soldiers are paying for our wretched counter-propaganda, meeting with increasingly fierce resistance at the front.
      For example, I have a very reserved attitude towards A. Sharia.
      But... If he slanders honest patriots, then where are the revelations? And an ice ax.
      If at least part of it is true ... Why didn't any of the defendants shoot themselves or sit down?
  23. KSVK
    KSVK 21 December 2022 23: 43
    0
    Quote: Red Biker
    But to improve life, one does not have to bow to Europe and America. No need to become their colony.
    Enough, reforms in society, returning social justice.


    Take a closer look. That Russia, that Ukraine has long been a colony. Someone more, someone less. Through your territory to Europe and now there is Russian gas and oil. Russia has entered into a grain deal to continue selling its grain and fertilizer to Europe. Builds and buys tankers to carry oil abroad. And you say not a colony. And about social justice, this is definitely not about Russia.

    Quote: Red Biker

    I am for SOCIALISM - 2,0. By work and ability.
    After the Victory over fascism, there will be a serious purge of the snickering, deceitful elite. They and their entourage need to - REMEMBER EVERYTHING!


    Tell me, how many of your and our compatriots do you feel sorry for sacrificing for the victory over fascism? And what do you think, what is the percentage of "Nazis" in those units that are now fighting on the front line with the Russians? Well, you also said a lot about the “snickering tops”. Can you name it specifically? Do you mean the Sechins and the Millers, or the Nabiulins and the Grefs? Or maybe, forgive me, Lord Rotenberg? So who dares to clean them?
    Threat And now put yourself in the place of an ordinary civilian who gives a damn about all the economic and other interests of this very "top". So you lived quietly and then these guys come to your house, all in white from a neighboring country and with the aim of "denazification" and "demilitarization". And they accidentally destroy your house, which you have been building all your life, and by chance (God forbid) your neighbor, child, parents die from their shelling. And don't tell me that they don't fight civilians. They do not fight, but civilians ALWAYS DIE during the war. How is it after this? Is it worth it? Just think about who, what and in the name of what you can sacrifice? Or maybe there is some other solution?
    ZZY Sorry for the "multi-letters".
    1. Chervony Biker
      31 December 2022 15: 53
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      Thank you for your comment.
      I'll try to answer. More precisely, I will express my understanding of the situation.
      Russia, that Ukraine has long been a colony
      like yes. Only Russia is trying to get rid of it. And in Ukraine, already direct Western control.
      About oil, gas (furs, hemp), all this was already before 17 years. And ended overnight.
      It is possible to make a decision and stop the supply of hydrocarbons in a time period measured by hours.
      But to buy the same hydrocarbons - already at a sane price, may not work out at all.
      By the way, I fully support making money selling oil and gas. We are on the verge of mastering fusion, and as a result, all oil / gas production may turn out to be even in a worse situation than coal mining during the mass transition to liquid fuels at the beginning of the 20th century.
      Another question is that ordinary people in Russia live in poverty, with the countless wealth of the country.
      and how many of your and our compatriots do you feel sorry for donating
      - pity everyone.
      But even more pitiful for future generations if we do not leave them a more just world than the one in which we live now.
      what is the percentage of "Nazis" in those units that are now fighting on the front
      - EVERYBODY.
      I do not see the difference between the carriers of the fascist idea and those who serve them out of self-interest or dementia.
      The ideological, educated enemy impresses me more than the stupid Rogulsky, who does not even know the middle name of his Bandera
      Therefore, anyone who turned out to be on the side of Ukrainian fascism should be - destroyed, expelled, demoted. And this is not cruelty, but a sanitary necessity.
      So who dares to clean them?
      - I'll name just a few characters.
      Nicholas II, Leon Trotsky, Boris Berezovsky - nothing in common, except for a rapid fall from the very peaks to the black obelisk. So now. Not everyone can even escape.
      put yourself in the place of an ordinary layman
      - I am that very "peaceful", and after the collapse of the Union, my personal standard of living became much higher than that of my parents, Soviet engineers and teachers. But it didn't make me happy at all.
      I understood that it would not end well when the giants in my city "peacefully" destroy the factories.
      I understood that no one's life would be better after the renaming of the streets in my city - by a Jewish cooperator anti-Soviet in the chair of the mayor.
      Then they tried to explain to my child at school that his Grandfathers heroes served totalitarianism.
      Then they began to beat the veterans for the St. George ribbons and burn them on camera.
      Then people were burned to the hooting of the crowd. Completely "peaceful" football fans and visiting activists.
      At the same time, I tried, if not to forgive, then at least to understand what was happening.
      I am 101% Ukrainian, I live on my land, watered with the blood of my ancestors. From Chernigov to Odessa, this is my Little Russia.
      And my desires are very modest. An ancestral farm, a garden near a hut ... And those who came to me with their Galicianism and "Bandera" or being my neighbors accepted it out of stupidity. Must be accepted by my hospitable, fertile land. With love.
      accidentally destroy your house, which you have been building all your life
      - do not worry . The house was burned down almost immediately. Together with family heirlooms - almost a century old unique edition of the Kobzar and great-grandmother's embroidered shirts.
      I, like a real Ukrainian anti-fascist, modestly, but sincerely rejoice at every cleansing "Caliber", every whine in small-town groups for geeks-selyuks en masse serving to Bandera.
      Just think about who, what and in the name of what you can sacrifice?
      - The Banderlogs have already taken everything, or rather they have messed up, destroyed it. And not for anything, but just like that. Sterile, even if comfortable, life itself is worth nothing.
  24. KSVK
    KSVK 22 December 2022 00: 01
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    Quote: Michael0221
    questions to "my government" I will ask myself without your help.

    Of course of course. I would be here too ... well, I would ask questions. Can you suggest a way? Well, so that without crime? Just don't talk about elections, okay?
    1. Chervony Biker
      31 December 2022 15: 58
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      Easy. (any questions, constructive suggestions) Both the adm.president and the State Duma - feedback works everywhere. Up to personal communication with the head of the profile committee in the State Duma.
      There is no guarantee that your proposal will be implemented now. But if it’s sensible, it definitely won’t go unnoticed.
  25. KSVK
    KSVK 22 December 2022 00: 10
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    Quote: Red Biker
    If you distribute a million, there will be inflation. I thought you know...

    And if you sell oil and gas abroad, partially put the received currency into the “stabilization fund”, print rubles for it and distribute them, there will be no inflation?
    1. Chervony Biker
      23 December 2022 13: 09
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      "stabilization fund" is gasified Russian villages, decent wages, not only for deputies and top officials.
      A decent life for everyone, not a bunch of rich people.
      Then everything will be stable
  26. KSVK
    KSVK 22 December 2022 00: 22
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    Quote: fiv
    from Muscovites who live in Moscow

    Are there still Muscovites in Moscow? wassat
    1. Chervony Biker
      24 December 2022 17: 29
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      Usually, we begin to measure who is "real" from "where he was born" - himself and his grandmother and great-grandfathers.
      And it would be necessary with knowledge of the history of your city.
      Have you been to the Tretyakov Gallery, "a native Muscovite"?
      Did a native Odessa visit the Odessa Opera House and Musical Comedy?
      By the way, the heaviest irretrievable cultural loss during the Bandera occupation in Odessa. I believe, in fact, the liquidation of the Russian Academic Theater. Ivanova.
      Odessa Russian theater, it has always been a holiday of the soul
  27. Lumira
    Lumira 22 December 2022 19: 37
    +1
    Firstly, this is the former territory of Great Russia.
    Secondly, this is the future territory of present-day Russia.
    So why make it a desert?

    And never!!!! do not forget about the "moskalyaku on gilyaku".
    Why did they stop jumping?
    Habits change, consciousness does not.
    1. Chervony Biker
      23 December 2022 12: 40
      +1
      That's it for the fact that the lands that returned to Russia were safe, both for those living there and for visitors.
      Everyone who does not want to live in Russia and will even foul her.
      I suggest - "suitcase, train station, Warsaw"
      And let them start running now.
      Regarding the "desert", you listen to the colors. In Ukraine, 2/3 of the population is not busy with anything useful.
      The country is completely deindustrialized, the level of education has collapsed.
      In the village, 90% live on rent for land shares and raise their own 20 chickens and 3 pigs. At the same time, less than 10% of the villagers participate in the real battle for the harvest, in the cultivation of grain.
      It is the Ukrainian poorly educated, impoverished village that feeds the Wehrmacht's coming out.
      Do you want to live next to them?
      Me not!
    2. Chervony Biker
      31 December 2022 16: 08
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      So why make it a desert?
      - this is not discussed at all.
      The majority are completely normal apolitical philistines. They will try to live where it is better.
      Provide them with satiety and warmth, and they will be quite loyal taxpayers.
      But there is a layer of "alien". They must be dealt with uncompromisingly.
      Yes, and it will be easier to control when they return to the already new Russia