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Predictable result: the first loss of Ukrainian armored personnel carriers Sisu XA-180

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Predictable result: the first loss of Ukrainian armored personnel carriers Sisu XA-180
A column of Ukrainian armored vehicles. "BTR APU" - Sisu vehicles. Frame from video from NM DPR



A few months ago, Finland handed over a number of Sisu XA-180 armored personnel carriers to the Kyiv regime without prior announcement and in secrecy. Soon, such a technique began to be used in battles - and it predictably suffered losses. To date, it is reliably known about the destruction of several such armored personnel carriers, and at least one in good condition has become a trophy. It is obvious that the process of destroying Sisu will continue, and it will be simplified to a certain extent by certain characteristic factors.

Secret help


Finland has not officially announced its plans to transfer XA-180 armored personnel carriers to Ukraine. However, deliveries of such equipment were made, and an unnamed number of armored personnel carriers were transferred with the necessary secrecy.

The appearance of Finnish armored vehicles in Ukraine became known in mid-September, when they were already at the disposal of the armed formations. Photos and videos have appeared on Ukrainian resources showing new equipment in the parking lot and on the march. The number of received cars was again not specified, and no more than four units were present in the frame at the same time.

Already at the end of September, the first reports of attempts to combat the use of such equipment appeared. Several Sisu were seen on one of the front sections, but they did not directly participate in the battle. Subsequently, new reports came through various channels about the appearance of the XA-180 in certain areas. It became clear that in the near future there will be news and on the destruction of such armored personnel carriers.


Technique under attack by artillery. Frame from video from NM DPR

First loss


On October 24, the press service of the People's Militia of the DPR published an interesting video showing an unsuccessful attempt to use the XA-180 armored personnel carrier in combat, which ended in losses. A reconnaissance UAV filmed a moving column of several enemy armored vehicles, incl. three Finnish armored personnel carriers. The head Sisu explodes during movement from a hit, presumably by an artillery shell. The next shell knocked out another armored vehicle. The crews of the two remaining XA-180s hastened to escape from the dangerous area.

Soon, photos of a wrecked armored personnel carrier appeared in open sources. They show that a single shell penetrated the car's armor and exploded inside it. The explosion knocked out the glazing and doors, dropped weapons from their pursuit, and also tore off and bent the roof of the hull. The internal state of the object is not shown, but is quite clear. The crew had no chance to survive, and the armored personnel carrier is beyond repair.

On November 12, the Ministry of Defense reported that on the eve of the Ukrainian company tactical group attempted an offensive in the area of ​​the settlement. Svatovo. From unofficial sources it became known that this connection used Tanks, several infantry fighting vehicles and three armored personnel carriers XA-180. With the help of the Orlan-10 UAV, the Russian army detected such an offensive and launched an artillery strike. The shells destroyed several armored vehicles, incl. one armored personnel carrier "Sisu". Photo and video materials with the results of this strike have not yet been shown.

In early December, for the first time it became known about the taking of the whole car as a trophy. A photograph of a Russian soldier against the backdrop of a Finnish armored personnel carrier has been published. The combat vehicle shown does not have significant external damage, but it has a flat tire. It is noteworthy that the XA-180, like other wheeled armored vehicles, can continue to move with similar damage. But the unknown Ukrainian unit was in such a hurry to retreat that they did not take advantage of this opportunity.


The wrecked armored vehicles are burning, the rest are leaving. Frame from video from NM DPR

Thus, it is reliably known that by now the Ukrainian formations have lost several Finnish armored personnel carriers. As reported, the bulk of the losses of such equipment falls on the fire of Russian artillery. In addition, at least one "Sisu" in acceptable condition became a trophy. Obviously, the operation and combat use of such equipment will continue - and there will be new losses or trophies.

Technology from the past


The future XA-180 was developed by the Finnish company Sisu Auto in the late seventies in accordance with the requirements of that time. In 1980, testing of experimental equipment began, and in 1984, the finished armored personnel carrier entered service with the Finnish army. Production continued until the early 1300s, during which time approx. XNUMX armored vehicles of several modifications. Most of them entered the Finnish army, while the rest were sent to foreign buyers.

The XA-180 is a wheeled armored personnel carrier with a combat weight of at least 13,5 tons, capable of carrying two crew members and at least 16 paratroopers. The machine is built on a three-axle chassis and, depending on the modification, has a diesel engine with a capacity of at least 235 hp. On land, speeds of over 100 km/h are achieved. The armored personnel carrier is floating and is equipped with a pair of water cannons.

The body is welded from parts up to 12 mm thick, which provides protection only from bullets and shrapnel. The upgraded designs used more powerful protection. The standard armament of the armored personnel carrier is a heavy machine gun on a turret. The shooter may have protection in the form of a turret without a roof.


Destroyed infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers XA-180. Frame from the reportage of the TV channel "Zvezda"

At the time of its appearance, the Sisu armored personnel carrier was a good modern infantry vehicle. However, much has changed over the past 40 years, and now such equipment on the battlefield faces additional risks. The presence of such threats is generally confirmed by recent events in Ukraine.

Risk Factors


It should be noted that reports of the presence of the XA-180 in the combat zone are quite rare - in contrast to information about other foreign samples. The same applies to data on their losses. This may indicate a limited supply and a small amount of Finnish equipment in service. Nevertheless, the available information allows us to draw some conclusions about the possibilities and problems of foreign armored personnel carriers.

It is reported that Finnish armored personnel carriers suffer losses mainly from artillery fire. The famous October video shows the result of a direct hit on such a target. It is likely that other armored vehicles were hit without a direct hit. The XA-180 formally has anti-fragmentation armor, but the striking elements of large-caliber projectiles or missiles, depending on various factors, are quite capable of penetrating such protection with certain consequences.

Clearly, the Sisu are facing other Russian weapons as well, from armored small-caliber cannons to guided missiles and loitering munitions. In all cases, the available armor, which met the standards of the distant past, is insufficient.

For self-defense and infantry support, the armored personnel carrier has only a heavy machine gun. Such weapon not in all situations is capable of fighting even light armored vehicles available to the Russian army, not to mention vehicles with more powerful protection. In addition, the machine gun, in terms of effective fire range, is inferior to the armament of our armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles. The installation of more powerful and long-range weapons is not ruled out, but it will not have a fundamental impact.


Trophy Sisu. Photo Telegram / "Corner of Sith"

A photograph of a whole captured armored personnel carrier suggests that the car got stuck on the impassability, they could not pull it out and therefore abandoned it. If this version is true, then it turns out that the XA-180 has limited mobility and terrain characteristics. Breaking through just one wheel seriously worsened the parameters of the car, and she could not leave on her own.

It should be noted that in recent weeks there have been regular reports of problems with wheeled vehicles by Ukrainian formations. In the autumn, mud was expected to come, and wheeled vehicles, incl. foreign-made, are experiencing serious problems. The reduced mobility makes vehicles easier to target, and stuck vehicles often have to be abandoned.

It is curious that the Ukrainian formations actually cannot solve the current problems with the protection and mobility of foreign armored personnel carriers. The level of protection, in theory, can be increased by overhead booking, incl. various handicraft "modules". However, such tools will increase the mass of the machine and negatively affect its mobility - already insufficient. To compensate for the increase in mass and improve driving performance, a replacement of the power plant is required, but such an upgrade is simply impossible under current conditions.

Common problems


Finnish-made armored personnel carriers, handed over to Ukraine in September, quickly got into the combat zone and took part in the battles. Almost immediately, they encountered characteristic problems - and the result of this was already losses. Negative factors persist or even intensify, which is why the further development of the situation as a whole is predictable. Sisu's losses will continue to grow until vehicles of this type run out.

It should be noted that not only the XA-180 armored personnel carrier encountered technical and operational problems. Ukraine received a host of other foreign combat vehicles with insufficient protection, limited firepower and other shortcomings. And all of them naturally replenish the list of losses of armored vehicles.
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  1. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 19 December 2022 04: 54
    +4
    The Finnish armored personnel carrier clearly did not pass testing in combat conditions ... Finns send modifications of your armored personnel carrier, we will check how it works in war.
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 19 December 2022 05: 05
      +18
      Should have? From a direct hit of 152 mm, the tank will not be in trouble, even if not so fatal.
      1. Shark Lover
        Shark Lover 19 December 2022 07: 28
        +14
        It's not about that. If even a 122 mm direct projectile hits, even a tank will not survive, it will demolish everything. The question is different. My armored personnel carrier 70, explosion under the third wheel, anti-vehicle Italian. We stood and looked, the technician opened the polys, unscrewed it, then screwed the broken-down wheel gearbox to the handrails with steel wire and the BTR 70 drove on)))). And in the photo the wheel is flat and stuck. I think about it.
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 19 December 2022 14: 36
          +7
          Quote: Shark Lover
          And in the photo the wheel is flat and stuck. I think about it.
          Where is the confidence that the wheel is broken BEFORE leaving the car? For example, I don't see wheel burrows. and from the photo it is possible that the armored personnel carrier ran into something, or the engine stalled, and then panic and screech. )))
          Quote: Shark Lover
          BTR 70 went further))))
          Well, it is clear that 8 wheels are better than six, and even two engines, although not powerful. hi
          1. LastPS
            LastPS 20 December 2022 14: 18
            +2
            Well, it is clear that 8 wheels are better than six, and even two engines, although not powerful.


            As for the engines, it’s doubtful, for me it’s better to have one normal one than the design complexity multiplied by three.
            1. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U 20 December 2022 15: 54
              +2
              Quote: LastPS
              As for the engines, it’s doubtful, for me it’s better to have one normal one than the design complexity multiplied by three.
              Well, then there was no cheap and powerful engine, KAMAZ was only stuck on the BTR-80. Although, according to the recollections, the BTR-60-70 was just more valued in Afghanistan, because if a powerful but one engine got up, then that’s it, and two engines didn’t break / stall at the same time and it was possible to crawl out on a lower one if something happened ...
    2. Comrade
      Comrade 19 December 2022 05: 47
      +5
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Testing of the Finnish armored personnel carrier in combat conditions obviously did not pass

      Judging by the chains on board, the uk-ry don't trust them too much.
    3. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 19 December 2022 07: 26
      +6
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      The Finnish armored personnel carrier clearly did not pass testing in combat conditions ... Finns send modifications of your armored personnel carrier, we will check how it works in war.

      In the sense? Just passed. By the way, if someone expected that an armored personnel carrier of medium armor would survive where MBTs were burning in batches, then this is an erroneous expectation. In general, there is no indestructible equipment, but you also need to be able to use it in order to extend the life of it and the crew.
      1. novel66
        novel66 19 December 2022 08: 31
        +12
        Any armor is better than no armor, you never know different crap flying around
  2. Comrade
    Comrade 19 December 2022 05: 20
    +3
    A photograph of a whole captured armored personnel carrier suggests that the car got stuck on the impassability, they could not pull it out and therefore abandoned it.


    But to break branches from neighboring trees and put brains under the wheels of the APU-shnikov was not enough? Judging by the photo, they are not stuck in a swamp.
    About four years ago, I had a chance to help a heavy truck with milk get out of a layer of snow 50-60 cm high. A truck the size of a tank, and the carrier thought that it would pass, but it didn’t work out. Then he began to rock the truck back and forth, it did not help. He only compacted the snow and stuck tightly.
    My friend and I approached, put boards under the wheels, having previously cleared the snow around the wheels with shovels. And that's it, the truck got out.
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 19 December 2022 06: 12
      +10
      Under the conditions of shelling, attempts to clear the snow around the wheels will end with two hundredths ... here the main thing is to jump out of the shelling zone in time.
      1. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 20 December 2022 00: 21
        0
        A photograph of a whole captured armored personnel carrier suggests that the car got stuck on the impassability, they could not pull it out and therefore abandoned it.

        The front wheel is clearly pierced, but it could have been pierced later, already on an abandoned car. And it doesn't look like it's stuck. Most likely, the failure of the technology itself.
      2. Comrade
        Comrade 20 December 2022 03: 14
        0
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        Under the conditions of shelling, attempts to clear the snow around the wheels will end with two hundredths ... here the main thing is to jump out of the shelling zone in time.

        With all due respect, colleague, but where in the text does it say that the armored personnel carrier was in the firing zone?
        1. LastPS
          LastPS 20 December 2022 14: 24
          +1
          You can sign the photo as you like, but they could have thrown it for various reasons and it’s hard to believe in getting stuck - it didn’t dig in, the ground wasn’t torn up, and the surface doesn’t look impassable for such a machine.
    2. Sergey_52
      Sergey_52 20 December 2022 11: 23
      +2
      So without brains, any technique is a pan on wheels ...
  3. Seryoga Nemuslim
    Seryoga Nemuslim 19 December 2022 05: 44
    -3
    And BMP-3 trophy. Though destroyed, so as not to filth about the pigs.
  4. Konnick
    Konnick 19 December 2022 06: 24
    +15
    To listen to the author, then all equipment with armor less than 100 mm should be canceled as obsolete, although if in the place of these armored personnel carriers, in the first described case, there was a column of tanks, the result would be the same, the armor would not help.
  5. parusnik
    parusnik 19 December 2022 07: 51
    +3
    NWO, an excellent training ground, for identifying shortcomings, military equipment.
  6. alexey_444
    alexey_444 19 December 2022 07: 53
    -10
    In a word, Europeans are used to driving on asphalt, economists suck. The more old technology, the more soaked orcs, that's good.
    1. Woroshilow
      Woroshilow 19 December 2022 10: 13
      +1
      Yes, you are extreme, I see, do you like when the blade of a razor tickles your bells?
      1. alexey_444
        alexey_444 19 December 2022 11: 53
        -3
        And what choice? You can not tickle and just give up, so that your head is cut off.
  7. alexey alexeyev_2
    alexey alexeyev_2 19 December 2022 10: 04
    +1
    Russian art felt the Finnish boobs. The test did not pass..
  8. APASUS
    APASUS 19 December 2022 11: 27
    +5
    Once upon a time they worked very seriously with the Sisu company. Very good equipment, but requires good maintenance, it won’t run on manure and loves high-quality oil. You can ruin it very easily.
  9. Trunk
    Trunk 19 December 2022 11: 30
    +7
    As children. Until the fuel tap is turned off, we will read similar articles and clap our hands happily! Destroyed another enemy armored personnel carrier! Without fuel and lubricants, all these sisu, highmars and other abrams are dead! Well, if you only pour vodka into the tank and dance in the ecstasy of hopak to the damned evil.
  10. Dmitriy22
    Dmitriy22 19 December 2022 12: 53
    0
    And then a thought came to me. And how do shells / bullets behave when they hit non-Newtonian fluids? Imagine - an armored personnel carrier / MRAP / infantry fighting vehicle with minimal protection rides in a safe zone. When entering a war zone - just add water to a special composition. And armor with a density of around 1000 kg per cubic meter will be learned. Interesting....
    1. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 20 December 2022 00: 28
      0
      Quote: Dmitriy22
      When entering a war zone - just add water to a special composition. And armor with a density of around 1000 kg per cubic meter will be learned. Interesting....

    2. Andy_nsk
      Andy_nsk 20 December 2022 12: 53
      +2
      And how do shells / bullets behave when they hit non-Newtonian fluids?

      The idea is so-so... The stopping power is incomparable to steel. Such a liquid will not stop a projectile even with a thickness of half a meter. And in what way to carry this liquid? To carry a tank behind each tank or armored personnel carrier?
    3. Rustic
      Rustic 25 December 2022 03: 10
      0
      And then a thought came to me. And how do shells / bullets behave when they hit non-Newtonian fluids?
      Fifty bmg (12.7 * 99) breaks through about a meter of non-newton. Moreover, a subsonic three-hundredth blackout (7.62 * 35) breaks through almost the same amount.
  11. Antey
    Antey 19 December 2022 16: 04
    +8
    Some kind of uryapatriopticheskoe attitude of the article. Well, the artillery of the armored personnel carrier was destroyed, so what? Will our armored personnel carriers behave differently in the same situation? They were not developed at the same time, do they have more powerful armor, do they not die from enemy shells? Sit down, the author - a deuce for idle chatter!
  12. Yaroslav the Wise
    Yaroslav the Wise 19 December 2022 16: 22
    +3
    By and large, not a single armored personnel carrier is designed for combat operations. An armored personnel carrier is the movement of troops from point A to point B. And then, only where the guns do not reach. Back in Afghanistan, our guys called armored personnel carriers a "mass grave." Armored personnel carriers are good for dispersing demonstrators and storming some cottage with a jerk with a double-barreled shotgun in it.
    And the fact that banderlogs use such armored personnel carriers specifically for military operations is good
  13. ares1988
    ares1988 19 December 2022 20: 43
    +3
    When Cyril finally got lazy and started rewriting his articles a month and a half ago:
    https://topwar.ru/204099-finskie-bronetransportery-sisu-xa-180-na-ukraine.html
  14. Yaroslav Tekkel
    Yaroslav Tekkel 20 December 2022 00: 59
    +2
    He knows, there is such a telegram blogger Bulba Thrones. In general, he is somewhat insane, turned on a national theme, but he has one sound idea. Until such ultra-optimistic "experts" begin to simply beat the pestilence at a meeting ... sorry, do not shake hands, then we will not have a chance in the war, and we will not establish a peaceful life.
  15. shinobi
    shinobi 20 December 2022 01: 32
    +1
    Uh, well, as expected. I read here in one specialized magazine that the Russian country road-primer, by the standards of Europe, is considered severe off-road.
  16. certero
    certero 20 December 2022 04: 55
    +1
    I'm interested in how this whole zoo of technology is operated? There must be those who know how to manage, repair,
  17. AC130 Gunship
    AC130 Gunship 20 December 2022 05: 56
    0
    The wheel is broken. - No, not broken. - Yes, it's broken.
    Meanwhile... one of the parties continues to pump gas belonging to the other party and receives money for it. And the other side, respectively, receives money for gas
  18. unhappy
    unhappy 20 December 2022 08: 29
    +2
    Once again we hear the demand to weigh the armored personnel carrier with tank armor belay
    It should be recalled that the function of this vehicle is not to attack enemy positions, but to deliver infantry to the battlefield (if it’s rude, it’s a bus with shrapnel protection and mine explosion protection, and of course an all-terrain vehicle).
  19. Petr_Koldunov
    Petr_Koldunov 20 December 2022 13: 39
    0
    In general, the topic of sisu is revealed ...
  20. flyer
    flyer 23 December 2022 14: 55
    0
    How much equipment does the Armed Forces of Ukraine have ... Sometimes it seems to me that their Raja forced the Western Golden Antelope to direct weapons without stopping.
  21. air wolf
    air wolf 24 December 2022 16: 41
    0
    We would have to bring the BTR-80 to mind, remove this machine gun from the turret and make an openable roof, the crew is in front of 2 people, install a turret with a 12,7 mm machine gun over the commander and 12-15 soldiers can be safely transported, and why the heck do not need a 30 mm gun , no need to make a BMPT from an armored personnel carrier!
  22. Andre
    Andre 28 December 2022 04: 56
    -1
    Ukrainians seem to have sold a solarium to the left. And the wheel was shot for excuses.