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Russia is trying to end its Afghan war

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Russia is trying to end its Afghan war


Russia is trying to get help from Afghanistan in the search for the missing Soviet soldiers of the 1979-89 war. Russia is also trying to track down soldiers who had deserted during that war. The Russian list of missing persons in Afghanistan in the 1980-s includes 265 soldiers. About twenty percent are thought to be deserters who are still alive. Moreover, it is estimated that about a third of the deserters left Afghanistan. Russia is trying to find the missing people alive or dead and pass information about them to relatives.

Despite the fact that the Afghan government tends to help Russia, there is another serious problem. Many missing Soviet soldiers were last seen in places still controlled by the Taliban. The Taliban were recruited from the Pashtun tribes in the south of the country and today the Taliban are still largely composed of Pashtuns. Since Pashtuns make up only 40 percent of the population, they were not able to control all of Afghanistan in the 1990s. Formations of the Northern Alliance tribes that continued to resist the Taliban received reinforcements from the American forces after 11 in September of 2001. Then it allowed the armed forces of the Northern Alliance to quickly deal with the Taliban.


Sergey Y. Krasnoperov, a Soviet soldier who went over to the side of the Mujahideen in 1984.


Since then, Russia has been trying to restore good relations with Afghanistan. Bitter memories of war complicate this process. During the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan in 1979-89, Soviet troops lost 15,000 people, while about a million and a half people died on the Afghan side. The USSR and their pro-Soviet Afghan government still controlled a large Afghanistan at the time of the withdrawal of Soviet troops from there in 1989. Up until the collapse of the Soviet Union in the 1991 year, the Soviet Union provided about $ 300 million a year as gratuitous assistance to the pro-Soviet government of Afghanistan. After that, assistance stopped and the pro-Soviet government of Afghanistan collapsed in the 1992 year. The subsequent civil war allowed the Taliban to take control of the country by 1996-th year. Russia began to support the Northern Alliance in the fight against the Taliban from the end of the 1990 and until the 2001 of the year. The leaders of the Northern Alliance dominated the new Afghan government and Russia resumed diplomatic relations with Afghanistan in 2002. Since then, Russia has been providing Afghanistan with free or low cost military equipment, economic aid, and other support. Now Russia is counting on some help in ending its Afghan war.
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  1. predator.2
    predator.2 6 November 2012 07: 02
    +6
    Who wanted, they returned in the 90s. , the rest is god judge.
    1. d.gksueyjd
      d.gksueyjd 6 November 2012 08: 41
      +10
      Traitor, he is a traitor. There is no statute of limitations for treason! Those who did not want to serve in Afghanistan did not.
  2. Lavrik
    Lavrik 6 November 2012 07: 21
    +3
    The problem of relations with Afghanistan will inevitably become aggravated in connection with the withdrawal from it (maybe not entirely) of the United States before 2014. And we will have to solve most of the problems. This is the problem of drugs, the problem of the Taliban coming to power, the problem of movement through Afghanistan to the north of the "Arab spring" arc, radical Islam and others.
  3. sasha.28blaga
    sasha.28blaga 6 November 2012 08: 33
    -2
    Something did not understand about that article?
    1. Professor
      6 November 2012 08: 48
      +2
      Something did not understand about that article?

      * Russia is trying to get help from Afghanistan in the search for missing Soviet soldiers during the 1979-89 war.
      * Russia is also trying to track down deserted soldiers during that war.
  4. mar.tira
    mar.tira 6 November 2012 09: 25
    +2
    In Soviet times, there weren’t so many traitors. But there were! How they changed the Homeland is covered in mystery. Some knowingly, others according to the circumstances. There are a lot of films and essays about it. Americans have always hunted for our minds and thoughts. They are soldiers of the Homeland, so they must be sought, like those who died in World War II. But the fact that now there are an order of magnitude more werewolves, Chechnya has shown. The core that we all held on to has disappeared! It got to the point that the Russian Wahhabis became the killers who organized terror on our land.
    1. Kaa
      Kaa 6 November 2012 10: 37
      +6
      Quote: mar.tira
      ! It got to the point that the Russian Wahhabis became the killers who organized terror on our land.

      Even if a person was captured by chance (circumstances), but took up arms to fight against his own people, how to call it, what amnesty it is subject to, how to atone for it and why should these people be returned? Maybe not right, explain ...
      1. mar.tira
        mar.tira 6 November 2012 11: 05
        +3
        [quote = Kaa] but took up arms to fight against his own [/ Traitor he is also a traitor in Africa. There are still ideological traitors. Here I’m talking about them. All must be found, and bloodstained by their comrades, and soiled by the betrayal of their homeland, to expose, and bring their names to shame and judgment. In the name of the memory and feat of our dead and living fighters. Although, therefore, they should be looked for!
        1. Kaa
          Kaa 6 November 2012 11: 23
          0
          Quote: mar.tira
          At least that's why they are worth looking for!

          So these are flaws in the SVR ... FSB, GP. "We still have some shortcomings on the ground!", We also need political will at the very top ...
          1. Captain Vrungel
            Captain Vrungel 6 November 2012 11: 36
            +1
            Yes, these are flaws. But it’s not bad to look among the now living high ranks, in large uniforms on whose hands the blood of the dead soldiers. Who handed over, betrayed, set up. They are more evil than a deserter.
          2. Kaa
            Kaa 6 November 2012 12: 00
            0
            Quote: Kaa
            need political will at the very top ...

            Was he surprised himself, it turns out, is there, or is it planned? "06.11.2012/11/37 XNUMX:XNUMX -
            Anatoly Serdyukov dismissed, Sergey Shoigu appointed as new Minister of Defense
            Vladimir Putin dismissed Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov. The new head of the ministry is the governor of Moscow Region and the former head of the Ministry of Emergencies, Sergei Shoigu. It is reported by RIA Novosti.
            At the meeting with Sergei Shoigu, the president announced the resignation of Serdyukov and the appointment of a new minister.
  5. skullcap
    skullcap 6 November 2012 09: 41
    +5
    Did not like the style of presentation:
    "During the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan" ... "the pro-Soviet government of Afghanistan collapsed" ...
    And the Soviet troops did not occupy Afghanistan, but were introduced in response to numerous requests from the Afghan government, and the Najibullah government lasted without any help against the united forces of Evil from around the world as many 2 years, which testifies to its recognition and support from the Afghan people.
    I think that if in any democratic country articles would have been submitted in this spirit, then all those involved in this would have long been smeared on dirty walls for an anti-patriotic position.
    1. Brother Sarych
      Brother Sarych 6 November 2012 10: 02
      0
      Personally, I do not like the fact that such articles are given here on their own - what to expect from vrazhin? Another thing is that such an article could serve as a basis for their own material ...
    2. Professor
      6 November 2012 10: 09
      +3
      And Soviet troops did not occupy Afghanistan, but were introduced in response to the numerous requests of the Afghan government
      ,
      The palace of the leader of Afghanistan, Amin, at his very request, Alpha stormed?

      And the government of Najibullah held out without any help against the combined forces of Evil from around the world for the whole 2 year, which testifies to its recognition and support from the Afghan people.

      Which indicates that he had enough Soviet money for exactly two years.

      Do not get hung up on semantics. It is important here that Russia has not forgotten about its soldiers and really wants to end this war.
      Here I found a list of Soviet citizens who fought in the Dushman detachments. I'm not sure that he is reliable at 100%, but I have not met another.

      Alloyarov Nanaz Ruzievich - Private
      Bakirov Soatnurat Parnanovich - Private
      Bekmuratov Murat Erkinovich - Private
      Vulku Ivan Evgenievich - Private
      Vyrodov Nikolay Anatolyevich - Private
      Kopadze Archil Gennadievich - Private
      Lopukh Andrey Andreevich - Private
      Nazarov Victor Vasilievich - junior sergeant
      Olenin Alexey Ivanovich - Private
      Prokopchuk Valery Konstantinovich - Private
      Soatov Ilyas Muminovich - Private
      Stepanov Yuri Fedorovich - Private
      Tashrifov Kurbanali Hukmatulpaevich - Private
      Tikhonov Alexey Roltovich - sergeant
      Fateev Sergey Vladimirovich - Private
      Khodimuratov Murnamat Ashurovich - junior sergeant
      Vyrodov Nikolay Anatolyevich - Private (in the personal guard of Gulbetdin Hekmatyar)
      Gulgeldinov Davletnazar - Private
      Dubina Valentin Nikolaevich - Private
      Abdulgapurov Magomed Kamil-Magomedovich - Private
      Abdurashidov Isuf Abdullagaevich - Private
      Akilbekov Iskander Dzhienbekovich - Private
      Altiev Kumin Sultanovich - junior sergeant
      Albatov Ramazan Shakhimovich - Junior Sergeant
      Baykeev Nail Faridovich - Private
      Bondarev Sergey Nikolaevich - Private
      Bull Victor Konstantinovich - Private
      Bystrov Nikolay Nikolaevich (Islamuddin) - Private (in the personal guard of Ahmad Shah Masud)
      Varvaryan Mikhail Abramovich - Private
      Vorontsov Sergey Vladimirovich - Private
      Vorsin Pavel Georgievich - junior sergeant
      Grinyk Igor Ilyich - Private
      Eremenko Nikolay Valentinovich - Private
      Zverkovich Alexander Anatolyevich - Private
      Zuev Alexey Alekseevich - Private
      Karpenko Valentin Petrovich - ensign
      Kashirov Vladimir Nikolaevich - Private
      Kochkorov Orazali Toktonazarovich - Private
      Krasnoperov Sergey Yurievich - Private
      Krivonosov Alexey Petrovich - lieutenant
      Lazarenko Vasily Egorovich - Private
      Alexander Levenets - Private
      Levchishin Sergey Nikolaevich - Private
      Malyshev Alexander Sergeevich - Private
      Maltsev Valery Valentinovich - Private
      Makhmadnazarov Hazrat Ablakunovich - Junior sergeant
      Mikolaychuk Nikolay Vladimirovich - Private
      Mishakov Yuri Vladimirovich - Private
      Nesterev Sergey Anatolyevich - Private
      Petrov Nikolai Ivanovich - Private
      Petikov Evgeny Viktorovich - Private
      Pikhach Vasily Vasilievich - Private
      Roshchupkin Alexey Vasilievich - sergeant
      Samin Nikolay Grigoryevich - junior sergeant
      Sokolov Nikolay Vladimirovich - Private
      Talashkevich Anatoly Alexandrovich - Private
      Fedorov Vasily Yeremeyevich - Private
      Khakhalev Vasily Viktorovich - junior sergeant
      Khudalov Kazbek Akhtemirovich - senior lieutenant
      Tsevna Gennady Anatolyevich - Private
      Chekhov Victor Tiranovich - sergeant
      Chupakhin Viktor Ivanovich - Private
      Shvets Viktor Vladimirovich - Private
      Yazkhanov Beshingeldy - Private
      1. Captain Vrungel
        Captain Vrungel 6 November 2012 11: 15
        +5
        Cherepanov Sergey ... - senior lieutenant (political officer). "Shaitan Shuravi" is a bomber. Lover of land mines and surprises. Captured during the liquidation of a gang of dushmans in the Kindykli gorge. When you return. the entire compartment of the helicopter smelled and "accidentally" fell from a sharp maneuver into the open door of the shooter, saving a large number of people from scribbling. attention and care for his person (what a nasty face this pallet had,) The group received a penalty for poor control and a "dog flask" 2,5 liters "sewed" for "disinfection".
  6. olo-olo
    olo-olo 6 November 2012 10: 23
    0
    Poor Afghan people. No one cares how many helpless people die there. If only there was a war on the border with Russia. No matter what and for whom
  7. olo-olo
    olo-olo 6 November 2012 10: 24
    +3
    Poor Afghan people. No one cares how many helpless people die there. If only there was a war on the border with Russia. No matter what and for whom
  8. Slevinst
    Slevinst 6 November 2012 11: 26
    0
    How can I go over to the side of the enemy and kill my own compatriots, perhaps my neighbor, I can not understand this
  9. Larus
    Larus 6 November 2012 12: 09
    0
    The author minus the word "occupation" !!!!
    Well, as for the traitors, everything is simple on the part of the law and oh, how not just on the part of those who were afraid to be stabbed to death and wanted to live when they were captured.
    Although those who crossed with weapons must be planted for a long time, it’s better to shoot, because these will be even meaner to fellow tribesmen what happen.
  10. Lavrik
    Lavrik 6 November 2012 12: 25
    0
    Compare the losses in this war: RF = 15000, Afghans = 1,5 million people. They differ 100 times. Does this mean anything?
    1. Professor
      6 November 2012 12: 29
      -2
      The fact that the war was superfluous and no matter how many mistakes Gorbachev made, I bowed low to him for the courage to withdraw our troops from there. Now it is necessary to bury all the soldiers who died in that war and end that war.
      1. Larus
        Larus 6 November 2012 12: 42
        +3
        I hope you erased all your legs near the Reistag, campaigning for the withdrawal of German troops from where they did not need to climb at all.
        And about the superfluous, then look at what is happening in the world with the help of s and how they present it. This is a foreign policy that Russia now has practically no, because we are surrendering all our allies, and accordingly those who would like to be friends with us it is silent.
        1. Professor
          6 November 2012 12: 55
          -3
          I don't know how old you are, but my peers served in Afghanistan. And for the sake of some kind of "foreign policy," which Russia now practically does not have "putting 15000 of its guys and a million and a half of aborigines is simply criminal. would know that it is impossible to conquer Afghanistan.
          1. Larus
            Larus 6 November 2012 13: 13
            +3
            Let us leave your tales about "it is not possible to conquer" with you, because. We were not going to conquer him. And the fact that then the jackal states with their pillows in every possible way helped the spirits, weapons, training and recruiting people, that's why so many victims, incl. and by civilians.
            Well, as for the year-olds, it doesn’t matter, because you’re more serious, but you don’t see any sense, since you began to rub about conquests.
            It’s good to sit there and yap here, ostensibly with knowledge of the matter. You need to ask your chancellor why your soldiers are there right now. And note, we are not helping the Taliban, and civilian casualties aren’t accepted yet, but military casualties are hiding in every possible way, because it is not necessary in the future to compare our losses, because you are no longer ours.
            1. Professor
              6 November 2012 13: 25
              -3
              Young man, the flag of my avatar was given to you. Are you more comfortable with this? Chancellor resting?
              Learn history, they tried to conquer Afghanistan: they changed the leadership, tried to change the system from feudal to socialist, introduced a "limited contingent. A priori conquest!

              Well, military casualties are hiding in every possible way, because it is not necessary in the future to compare our losses, because you are no longer ours.

              Do not fantasize. Information about their losses in NATO countries is publicly available.
              1. Larus
                Larus 6 November 2012 14: 58
                +2
                Well, for you, the homeland is where they pay, of course.
                Teach yourself the story, because there was no coup because in Afghanistan the Central Committee of the PDPA was in control and the system had already been changed before the troops were brought in, and they only killed the killer.
                And as for the constantly voiced lists of the killed NATO occupiers, it may not take a thread of pistonia, and where the country is bigger, it will roll what they say.
                1. Professor
                  6 November 2012 15: 43
                  -2
                  Leave my Motherland alone. I sniffed gunpowder for her, and for free, on appeal. And I'm proud of it.
                  Are you satisfied with the flags of a neutral country? wink
                  Now to the story. Who stormed the palace of the Afghan ruler? Are NATO occupiers really? wink

                  And as for the constantly voiced lists of the killed NATO occupiers, it may not take a thread of pistonia, and where the country is bigger, it will roll what they say.

                  You fantasize again. In the West, this will not work. Wikileaks remember? Just do not develop a conspiracy theory such as a family paid and they are silent and do not run to raise a buzz in the press or Facebook. Also paid / intimidated all colleagues, etc. Not those times, all the fallen are known by name. However, this is a completely different topic and I will gladly discuss it in the corresponding article.

                  PS
                  Seems to me NATO (and not only) "occupiers" -Afghanistan International Security Assistance Force are in Afghanistan by decision of the UN, and Russia provides them exorbitant help.
    2. A. Yaga
      A. Yaga 6 November 2012 17: 56
      -1
      Compare the losses in this war: RF = 15000, Afghans = 1,5 million people. They differ 100 times. Does this mean anything?

      He speaks. Very similar to nonsense.
      Attention! You do not have permission to view hidden text.
      The key word is "occupation". Ours once brought our losses, I can be mistaken, about 40 thousand guys. Then I imagined that my city was gone - 42 thousand population. Our losses are comparable to the population of my city, but not 15 thousand. I don’t know about the aborigines, but there are those on this site who fought in Afghanistan. Write how you fought. Killing 1,5 million people can only be done with special punitive squads. The author tries to convey to the reader that Soviet boys (20 years old) were animals.
      1. A. Yaga
        A. Yaga 6 November 2012 20: 10
        +1
        Attention! You do not have permission to view hidden text.

        http://www.licey.net/war/book5/price

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        1. Captain Vrungel
          Captain Vrungel 6 November 2012 21: 54
          0
          These statistics take into account only the military contingent of the Ministry of Defense (Soviet Army). But there is no data on the numerous personnel of the units of the KGB of the USSR, and in particular the Border Troops, their DShMG, MMG. RDG. In the lists of missing deserters. they are not, because there were no such cases and facts. But the dead were not included in the statistics of the Moscow Region, or another department. But the losses were not small.
  11. Olegovi4
    Olegovi4 6 November 2012 13: 07
    +2
    Why do you write Russia all the time? Is it a special stuffing or just not knowing your story? Fought the USSR! And the guys died there from all the expanses of 1/6 of the land.
    1. Professor
      6 November 2012 13: 13
      0
      But only Russia is the right successor to the USSR with all the ensuing consequences.
  12. Olegovi4
    Olegovi4 6 November 2012 15: 28
    0
    But these are completely different things !!!
  13. Kortik
    Kortik 6 November 2012 16: 07
    +2
    Well, Germany is the successor to the fascist Reich. And the consequences are also very attendant. I go nuts with people changing like chameleons with the same ease that they have flags on their avatars and political convictions. It seems, Uncle, that you are a Jewish provocateur.
    1. Professor
      6 November 2012 16: 19
      -3
      Of course. I also work for English, American, Japanese and German intelligence. In a word, the enemy of the people.