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Greek Defense Minister called the condition for the transfer of S-300 anti-aircraft systems to Ukraine

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Greek Defense Minister called the condition for the transfer of S-300 anti-aircraft systems to Ukraine

Greece is ready to send the Russian S-300 anti-aircraft systems in service with the army of the republic to Ukraine, but only under one condition. This was stated by the Minister of National Defense of Greece Nikos Panagiotopoulos.


The supply of S-300 air defense systems to Ukraine that Greece has is completely dependent on the United States. If the Americans supply the Greeks with Patriot anti-missile systems that can be deployed on the island of Crete to protect against Turkey, this will free up the S-300s and they can be sent to Kyiv. According to the Greek minister, any Russian-made anti-aircraft systems needed by Ukraine can be released in this way.

If the United States deploys the Patriot system on the island, then after its integration into the S-300 national air defense system, it can be removed

Panagiotopoulos said.

In general, the Greeks are ready to transfer to Ukraine not only the S-300 air defense system, but also the Tor-M1 and Osa-AKM air defense systems. The first two complexes are of great interest to Kyiv, Zelensky has repeatedly stuttered about the possible transfer of air defense systems to Ukraine, but Osa is not needed, they say that it is already outdated. The Pentagon also cast a bait against the Greek anti-aircraft systems, but as mentioned above, the Greeks are only ready to change. Options with temporary air defense systems do not suit Athens.

The Greeks also want to get rid of the remaining number of BMP-1 infantry fighting vehicles produced by the GDR by sending them to Ukraine, but also only in exchange for the German Marder infantry fighting vehicles. In general, no one wants to give anything away for free, despite Zelensky’s statements that the Ukrainian army is closing Europe from the “Russian aggressor” with its chest.
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  1. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 16 December 2022 13: 40
    +11
    And under the contract they can afford it? Or help Turkey resolve their disputes over offshore Greek islands 3-5 miles from its territory?
    1. Nross
      Nross 16 December 2022 13: 59
      +9
      Do you mean S-300 supply contracts in the 90s?
      Even if some kind of reservation was written there in a non-Russian language, this does not mean at all that these stupid lizards will comply with it.
      The international system of treaties, contracts, and, in general, law as such, is dying. In some aspects, especially close to the CBO, law - in its broadest sense of the word - does not exist at all.
      If the Nazis are coming out directly - with the tacit consent of no less anti-Russians in the West, violate agreements on the maintenance of prisoners of war, carry out executions of prisoners and civilians in the occupied lands, kill ordinary people just because they had the courage to call themselves Russians, then what right can to talk?
      Only about the right of the strong.
      I really hope that when Lviv is rolled into asphalt, when the entire western Ukraine returns to the 18th century, then all the Nazis who have occupied these lands for more than a hundred years will hang in a noose. Everyone, and not just the commanders, because each person is responsible - not to the authorities, but to society and humanity as a whole - both for their actions and for their inaction ....
    2. Voronezh
      Voronezh 16 December 2022 14: 24
      0
      Who is being stopped by contracts now? Unnecessary paperwork...
  2. 1razvgod
    1razvgod 16 December 2022 13: 44
    +4
    What we have done with our hands will now be us ..... There are no words
    1. Nexcom
      Nexcom 16 December 2022 13: 49
      +1
      The weapon itself does not fire. tsegabontsy will smack on our guys from weapons produced by us ....
  3. Lumberjack_2
    Lumberjack_2 16 December 2022 13: 47
    +10
    The moment when I am "more" for the Turks than for the "brothers". How much history did not show, but the "brothers" whom we helped were always against us
    1. The comment was deleted.
    2. G. Petrovich
      G. Petrovich 16 December 2022 22: 37
      0
      How much history did not show, but the "brothers" whom we helped were always against us

      Only history has shown otherwise. In the Greco-Turkish war of 1919-1922, the Bolsheviks saved Turkey from defeat, in 1944 Stalin "left" pro-communist Greece to the British and Americans, in 1974 the Turkish Prime Minister Ecevit visited Moscow and secured, if not support, then the neutrality of the Soviets. Union in the attack on the sovereign state of Cyprus, and now the sale of the S-400 to the Turks, the construction of a nuclear power plant and an oil pipeline. And the assassination of the ambassador, the downed plane, the boy cat. blew up the Turkmens "for the boys" - we have already forgotten that.
    3. Rage66
      Rage66 20 December 2022 09: 50
      0
      I don’t remember that the Greeks in our “brothers” went.
      Well, it might be for the best. soldier
  4. spirit
    spirit 16 December 2022 13: 48
    +8
    Did someone’s Greeks want a Patriot? Half of the site says that it’s omno) But the Greeks don’t know, and there’s no one to tell laughing
    1. Nexcom
      Nexcom 16 December 2022 13: 53
      +2
      But the Greeks got drunk about lying under the Hegemon. Type fit for them (naive!!!)
      1. Pavlos Melas
        Pavlos Melas 16 December 2022 13: 57
        +1
        But the Greeks got drunk about lying under the Hegemon. Type fit for them (naive!!!)

        No, in Greece there is no hope that the hegemon will fit in, if the hegemon had not come to build democracy with us.
  5. polynet
    polynet 16 December 2022 13: 49
    0
    Quote from: 1razvgod
    What we have done with our hands will now be us ..... There are no words

    Well, the Turks will not be happy about this, from the word at all. So it's a double-edged sword.
  6. Ulan.1812
    Ulan.1812 16 December 2022 13: 49
    +4
    Maybe it's time to stop babysitting these supposedly friends who constantly shit on us?
    Well, for example, to warn that then we will recognize the Turkish Republic of Cyprus.
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 16 December 2022 13: 59
      0
      Quote: Ulan.1812
      Maybe it's time to stop babysitting these supposedly friends who constantly shit on us?
      Well, for example, to warn that then we will recognize the Turkish Republic of Cyprus.

      Well, how will this help you? request
      1. Ulan.1812
        Ulan.1812 16 December 2022 15: 03
        +3
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Quote: Ulan.1812
        Maybe it's time to stop babysitting these supposedly friends who constantly shit on us?
        Well, for example, to warn that then we will recognize the Turkish Republic of Cyprus.

        Well, how will this help you? request

        What's your business? Better follow the UN Security Council resolution.
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 16 December 2022 15: 12
          -2
          Quote: Ulan.1812

          What's your business? Better follow the UN Security Council resolution.

          We lodged at the UN. Let him go through the forest. tongue
          1. Ulan.1812
            Ulan.1812 16 December 2022 16: 28
            +3
            Quote: Aaron Zawi
            Quote: Ulan.1812

            What's your business? Better follow the UN Security Council resolution.

            We lodged at the UN. Let him go through the forest. tongue

            Well done. Well then, Russia has no less rights than Israel. And your smiley ... did not expect that even in childhood.
            You put it down as long as the main world bandit is behind you.
            Undoubtedly Israel has the right to its protection and Russia too.
            1. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi 16 December 2022 17: 05
              -2
              Quote: Ulan.1812

              Well done. Well then, Russia has no less rights than Israel. And your smiley ... did not expect that even in childhood.
              You put it down as long as the main world bandit is behind you.
              Undoubtedly Israel has the right to its protection and Russia too.

              And what does the UN and the decision of the Russian Federation on the recognition of Northern Cyprus have to do with it? And then, isn't Russia putting a bolt on this organization?
              1. Ulan.1812
                Ulan.1812 16 December 2022 17: 18
                +2
                Quote: Aaron Zawi
                Quote: Ulan.1812

                Well done. Well then, Russia has no less rights than Israel. And your smiley ... did not expect that even in childhood.
                You put it down as long as the main world bandit is behind you.
                Undoubtedly Israel has the right to its protection and Russia too.

                And what does the UN and the decision of the Russian Federation on the recognition of Northern Cyprus have to do with it? And then, isn't Russia putting a bolt on this organization?

                On the resolution of the Security Council, no.
                But the decisions taken at the session of Gen. Assembly - depending on the circumstances, since it has only a recommendatory value, and not mandatory, like a Security Council resolution.
                1. Aaron Zawi
                  Aaron Zawi 16 December 2022 17: 37
                  +1
                  Quote: Ulan.1812

                  On the resolution of the Security Council, no.
                  But the decisions taken at the session of Gen. Assembly - depending on the circumstances, since it has only a recommendatory value, and not mandatory, like a Security Council resolution.

                  The UN Security Council, like the UN, is a dead organization. The Russian Federation and the United States are blocking any mutual proposals.
              2. Alexander Salenko
                Alexander Salenko 16 December 2022 18: 31
                +3
                They lay down, they put down the bolt, Aron, no, Russia doesn’t put down, Putin is scrupulous in legal matters, but the West, yes, puts it down.
      2. Alexander Salenko
        Alexander Salenko 16 December 2022 18: 30
        +3
        Don't tell me, Aaron. My friends flew there from the Crimea, well, imagine a smut, from the Crimea to Moscow, from Moscow to Antalya, and from there to Cyprus, and this way you can directly develop this region with your tourists, people will relax, and part of the tour flow will go by Greece.
    2. Alexander Salenko
      Alexander Salenko 16 December 2022 18: 28
      +1
      I was thinking about what to answer, but this is a great option, to establish a deep relationship and fly directly. from Moscow.
  7. sanik2020
    sanik2020 16 December 2022 13: 53
    0
    To whom they put forward conditions there, they will repent and do as they are ordered in the Washington Reich Chancellery. And then the performances are rolled up in style - I don’t want to give away, but I don’t like what they give.
  8. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 16 December 2022 14: 01
    +3
    the Greeks are ready to transfer to Ukraine not only the S-300 air defense system, but also the Tor-M1 and Osa-AKM air defense systems
    I don’t even know how they bent over and in what position they put the Greeks, that they are ready for anything the American says. Nikos Panagiotopoulos, have you ever been to Athos with your president (she is also the nominal commander-in-chief of the Greek Armed Forces) and the prime minister? And it's time to begin to pray for sins before Orthodoxy.
  9. PSih2097
    PSih2097 16 December 2022 14: 12
    0
    Quote: Ulan.1812
    Well, for example, to warn that then we will recognize the Turkish Republic of Cyprus.

    What about the meaning? both countries are NATO members ... as the hegemon says, so be it (Greece is not Germany and not France in terms of finances) ...
    Quote: rotmistr60
    And it's time to begin to pray for sins before Orthodoxy.

    it was necessary to leave all these little brothers to the Turks and Austro-Hungarians for assimilation / genocide, and not to save the kings ...
    1. Ulan.1812
      Ulan.1812 16 December 2022 15: 05
      +1
      Quote: PSih2097
      Quote: Ulan.1812
      Well, for example, to warn that then we will recognize the Turkish Republic of Cyprus.

      What about the meaning? both countries are NATO members ... as the hegemon says, so be it (Greece is not Germany and not France in terms of finances) ...
      Quote: rotmistr60
      And it's time to begin to pray for sins before Orthodoxy.

      it was necessary to leave all these little brothers to the Turks and Austro-Hungarians for assimilation / genocide, and not to save the kings ...

      Indeed, what's the point. Just silently swallow.
  10. Radikal
    Radikal 16 December 2022 14: 23
    +1
    Greek Defense Minister called the condition for the transfer of S-300 anti-aircraft systems to Ukraine

    This is a lesson to the hucksters of the Russian Federation (including us), who trade weapons that are critical for our defense to the right and to the left .... How many laudatory "songs" have we heard from officials before about record results in the trade in modern weapons, and now what? We are reaping the fruits of this policy. And so it is in all areas. sad
    1. Got it
      Got it 16 December 2022 16: 23
      +1
      And unfortunately, such lessons are not learned at all, it’s Russian to walk on a rake.
  11. Viktor fm
    Viktor fm 16 December 2022 14: 26
    +1
    The Greek Defense Minister called the condition. It's time to drown the Greeks.
    1. Ulan.1812
      Ulan.1812 16 December 2022 15: 06
      0
      Quote: Viktor fm
      The Greek Defense Minister called the condition. It's time to drown the Greeks.

      Now tolerasty will instruct you minuses.
  12. VladimirNET
    VladimirNET 16 December 2022 14: 48
    0
    Quote: spirit
    Did the Greeks want a Patriot?

    Perhaps because the S-300s were produced in 1999 (and transferred in 2007-2008) from Cyprus to Greece.
    So - (my conclusion) are outdated, source:
    https://dzen.ru/a/X9r1A9UplHxyGBB6

    Warranty period of service of the S-300 complex before overhaul: 25 years.

    The life of the rocket is usually extended by 10 years. “Initially, a period of 20-25 years was set, and then they check it, and it is extended by 10 years. Thus, we reach a service life of 30-40 years”, source:
    https://news.rambler.ru/troops/41310030-chto-delayut-s-prosrochennymi-yadernymi-raketami/
  13. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 16 December 2022 14: 52
    +1
    In general, no one wants to give away anything for free, despite Zelensky’s statements that the army of Ukraine closes Europe with its chest from the "Russian aggressor".
    fool Greeks are more interested in security from Turkish aggression. request
  14. fiv
    fiv 16 December 2022 15: 03
    +1
    Erdogan rubs his hands - in Europe, Greece with its outstretched hand is not needed by anyone, but "reproach, Orthodox!" after such Greek generosity about weapons, the Russian Federation will not hear the ohlam. All European leaders, as in the same class of the same school, studied - even a Greek, even a Czech, even a German, no difference. Incubator managers
  15. Stepnyak
    Stepnyak 16 December 2022 15: 33
    0
    I never understood the meaning of the existence of Rosoboronexport. Armament - this is what you need to do only for yourself. And the finances for this should flow from the state treasury. What can be commerce in this area?
    1. Alexander Salenko
      Alexander Salenko 16 December 2022 18: 40
      0
      You probably don’t know that Russia itself has been buying weapons for centuries, no? Well, take an interest in history, the swords of Russian heroes were mostly forged on the Rhine, the Moscow Kremlin was built for us by Italians, cannons, horses - we bought everything there, in the pernicious West, until Count Orlov took up horse breeding, and until we had steppes in addition to forests. Let me remind you that by historical standards, recently the Russian border passed in the Belgorod region, as it is now by the way.
      That under Peter, that after Peter we never produced a sufficient number of guns, for example, we bought a lot of them at the beginning of the 19th century in England, in the middle of the century in Belgium, including Littich fittings, that is, Liege. During the WWI, we didn’t have enough mosquitoes and they began to be made in the USA, and we didn’t make light machine guns from the word at all, and therefore ShoshA machine guns were in smaller numbers, often the emphasis is on the wrong syllable, and Lewis, you can see them in the newsreel of the parade on Red Square November 7, 1941.
      We have been exporting weapons since the late 40s of the last century, and before that we were consumers of the arms market. And if you are against the fact that we sold the S-300 to the Greeks, a very ugly situation, I agree, then be consistent, they also sold us geraniums and copters not of our production, say that this is not a weapon, how much accuracy has increased.
      1. Stepnyak
        Stepnyak 17 December 2022 09: 49
        0
        Do you understand the difference between the concepts of "export" and "import"? I'm generally against exports. He didn't say anything about imports. Buying weapons? Okay. Does this oblige us to sell our weapons? No, well, if the Belgians, for example, believe that their weapons can kill Belgian soldiers, then let them ship their machine guns to anyone for nothing. Can't we count like the Belgians can't? Do you always have to copy your rules from European ones? Do you know, for example, that it’s not a bastard for a German to let gases at the dinner table? Can we copy the tradition? Great European nation, after all...
        1. Alexander Salenko
          Alexander Salenko 17 December 2022 15: 02
          0
          Do you understand the difference between the concepts of "export" and "import"? I'm generally against exports. He didn't say anything about imports.

          Well, as I said, it is quite possible that British guns, reground for capsules, in Russian hands killed Russian soldiers, it happens. Didn't you think that thanks to exports, programs for the development of our weapons were financed? The military-industrial complex had to get out so that its effective managers would not go bankrupt. Here on VO, how many articles there were about the plant in Kurgan producing infantry fighting vehicles, how they wanted to bankrupt it between 2014 and 2022, and infantry fighting vehicles are not produced anywhere else. That's where I see the problem, not in trading.
          Do you always have to copy your rules from European ones?

          What does it mean to copy? This is trade and it is international. what about the farting german? They sold the S-300 to the Greeks, and we have the S-400, to the Turks the S-400, and we have the S-500, and they have export versions, the Greek complex and the Ukrainian one are not the same thing.
  16. Got it
    Got it 16 December 2022 16: 21
    +1
    And next year we will send planes to fight fires, medicines to fight viruses, specialists with equipment ...? Greece, Turkey, Italy, etc. USA? I won’t be surprised, to the last, how idiots scattered resources, everyone was laughing at us there! And now the answer comes from them winked
  17. Alexander Gusev_2
    Alexander Gusev_2 16 December 2022 17: 03
    0
    We sell weapons. and whether we conclude an agreement. that it is impossible to resell! Yes, this issue should be closed. resale ban! And then we let the enemies behind us in advance! We don't have friends who can be trusted! Only ARMY AND FLEET!
  18. Radikal
    Radikal 16 December 2022 17: 26
    0
    Quote: rotmistr60
    the Greeks are ready to transfer to Ukraine not only the S-300 air defense system, but also the Tor-M1 and Osa-AKM air defense systems
    I don’t even know how they bent over and in what position they put the Greeks, that they are ready for anything the American says. Nikos Panagiotopoulos, have you ever been to Athos with your president (she is also the nominal commander-in-chief of the Greek Armed Forces) and the prime minister? And it's time to begin to pray for sins before Orthodoxy.

    What's the difference how they bent and in what position? Are you interested in the process? lol
    Why don’t you wonder why a NATO country ended up with our air defense systems? Ah, now break out about the dashing 90s. bully Only these 90s smoothly moved into the 2000s, 2020s ... . And the people in power from these 90s, and there they learned "shooters", "negotiators", "kickbacks" and other "creative" skills that they brought to power, and now they are demonstrating both domestically and in the international arena . They don't know anything else!sad
  19. Vasya Zhulbin
    Vasya Zhulbin 16 December 2022 17: 28
    +1
    Risky. They will be quickly noticed by security cameras, Iskander will hit everything. The Czechoslovak S-300 did not even have time to deploy.
  20. Alexander Salenko
    Alexander Salenko 16 December 2022 18: 19
    0
    the Ukrainians are freaking out, they don’t need the Wasp, we have a lot of them, I myself saw how the division rolled to the border, and these slurp twirl. Well, the Greeks are rear-wheel drive, who sold these complexes to you, women with reduced social responsibility? They themselves begged.
  21. viltor
    viltor 16 December 2022 20: 25
    0
    I remember at one time, when selling our military equipment to Western armies, there was a discussion, they say, whether or not they put a secret shutdown button on these samples so that the weapons could not be used against Russia. Judging by the fact that in Ukraine such sold equipment works against us, no one bothered with such an option, but in vain. Now it has become clear.
  22. KCA
    KCA 17 December 2022 08: 32
    0
    The Sumerians don’t need a wasp, but we still need it, it lands drones at once, maybe hands grow from below the back?
  23. d1975
    d1975 17 December 2022 18: 11
    0
    The case when money does not smell. It is necessary to bribe someone there in Hellas. Everything is fancy.