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Russian military correspondent: Patriot air defense systems are not a panacea that can protect Ukraine from kamikaze drones

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Russian military correspondent: Patriot air defense systems are not a panacea that can protect Ukraine from kamikaze drones

The American Patriot anti-aircraft missile systems, allegedly promised by the United States to Ukraine, are not a panacea capable of protecting Ukrainian military and energy facilities from the same Geran kamikaze drones. It is quite possible that by sending them to Ukraine, the United States will inflict a reputational blow on itself. The military commander Alexander Sladkov writes about this in his TG channel.


Currently, the Patriot air defense systems are being served by the Americans as unsurpassed air defense systems capable of shooting down everything that flies. This is exaggerated, of course, but it does not change the essence. The United States is allegedly going to put these complexes in Ukraine in order to cover them with some objects from Russian missiles. And here lies the greatest danger to the American military-industrial complex. Suddenly it turns out that these air defense systems are just advertised systems that are not capable of intercepting Russian kamikaze drones.

It may well be that the Patriot air defense systems will follow the path of the previously advertised Bayraktars and Javelins, which, as it turned out, are common weapons, not a wunderwaffe capable of saving Ukraine from the Russian army. The same thing is happening now with the HIMARS MLRS, which were literally prayed for in Kyiv.

They will tell me: the Himars rocket launchers terrify the Donbass. They don't suggest. We are afraid of them just like the Soviet MLRS, yes, a serious thing, but this is not the Weapon of Victory

- writes Sladkov.

If the complexes are delivered to Ukraine, they will become an excellent target for Russian missiles, Western experts also recognize this. There is another danger and it is more real, we are talking about the possible appearance in the arsenal of the Armed Forces of Ukraine of their own "shahid-mopeds" capable of delivering strikes over long distances. A completely reasonable question arises, are ours ready for such a turn and are our air defenses capable of fighting them.
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  1. Zoldat_A
    Zoldat_A 16 December 2022 08: 51
    +2
    Currently, the Patriot air defense systems are being served by the Americans as unsurpassed air defense systems capable of shooting down everything that flies.
    Even if America satisfies all the Kyiv "Wishlist" about the "Patriots". Shoot rockets at 3-5 lyamas of American money (only the rocket itself, not the complex!) at "Geraniums" at the cost of 10-20 thousand of the same money - good!
    Commercials Ukraine will let America around the world.
    1. oleg-nekrasov-19
      oleg-nekrasov-19 16 December 2022 09: 02
      +1
      The Americans are already letting Ukraine around the world together with the Europeans. And they are helped in this by strikes on critical infrastructure, which will be continued despite the Patriot or IRIS-T air defense.
    2. smart ass
      smart ass 16 December 2022 09: 04
      +1
      It is clear that they will not shoot at UAVs, but what if they drag them closer to the front and start shooting at air force planes ?! The enemy is resourceful and smart
      1. Asad
        Asad 16 December 2022 09: 07
        +4
        Another advertisement for the TG channel, every day the same thing. However, we shouldn’t relax either, soon a kamikaze will be made in the Czech Republic, we will also have to fight back.
      2. ZAV69
        ZAV69 16 December 2022 09: 30
        -3
        This complex is not a military air defense system, you burrow its horseradish like the same beech. If you put it close - the art will unwind, if you put it far - there is no sense.
        1. smart ass
          smart ass 16 December 2022 10: 19
          0
          Our artillery cannot even unwind Zelensky with a delegation when he travels around the liberated cities
          1. ZAV69
            ZAV69 18 December 2022 09: 59
            0
            Quote: Clever man
            Our artillery cannot even unwind Zelensky with a delegation when he travels around the liberated cities

            And he does the right thing by not touching. As long as this one is alive and speaks with his tongue, there will be no peace, but you look another jester will agree with ours about something and will not finish off the saloreich
      3. 2112vda
        2112vda 16 December 2022 09: 31
        0
        Well, yeah, they're kind of going to be under a protective force field. They can fly from the same Tornadoes and Hurricanes, they will hit the squares, who are not buried, we are not to blame. Or do you think that ours will not shoot at the Patriots due to the fact that American calculations are there?
        1. smart ass
          smart ass 16 December 2022 10: 21
          -2
          I think that it flew into the cruiser, they also thought what kind of anti-ship missiles Ukraine has!) what are you talking about? We don't learn from mistakes
          1. ZAV69
            ZAV69 18 December 2022 09: 56
            0
            Actually, besides chatter in telegram channels, no one boasted that they drowned Moscow. So the question is still open. It seems that someone is not boasting about anything, but someone is ashamed to confess. But the opinion of the people formed
      4. novel66
        novel66 16 December 2022 09: 54
        -1
        Closer to the front? So this is a beautiful fairy tale, it will be convenient to fuck them
        1. smart ass
          smart ass 16 December 2022 10: 22
          -3
          Yeah, the hymers then all loosened up ??))) don't make me laugh
    3. Silver99
      Silver99 16 December 2022 09: 05
      +7
      The Patriot air defense system is a serious weapon, Sladkov’s bravado is not appropriate here, and perhaps they won’t make a breakthrough, but they can create problems for us. You can rest assured that the crews there will be from the states, fully trained, and they will be integrated with the US satellite constellation, in fact this is America's direct invasion of the conflict. It is clear that they will not chase "mopeds", these weapons will be directed against the "Iskanders".
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 16 December 2022 09: 09
        -1
        Quote from Silver99
        in fact, this is a direct American intervention in the conflict

        When will our people there, NAVIRHU, be able to tell America that even without the "Patriots" it is already in conflict up to its neck?
        1. Silver99
          Silver99 16 December 2022 09: 12
          +2
          It looks like NEVER, we are very much dependent economically on many, and everything is on the verge, everyone pretends that nothing has to do with it, but they play their games, take the same Turkey, they planned to supply natural gas from Turkmenistan through Azerbaijan to their hubs, and then to Europe bypassing Russia, then it’s time for Pasha to point to his place, well, for example, to help the same Kurds.
      2. Foundling
        Foundling 16 December 2022 09: 25
        +4
        What is a "direct attack"? Soviet pilots LiSiTsyny in Korea and Vietnam, who shot down mattress covers, did not lead to a collision of blocks. Therefore, if I draw 500 f-16s with Johnsonyuk pilots in the sky of Ukraine, the third world war will not happen either. What is there about a petriot with military advisers. However, it is unprofitable to radically change the alignment of mattresses in Ukraine. The pace of demilitarization seems to suit them. Alas. And the economic benefits that the Yankees are now extracting by squeezing us out of all markets and dispersing the military-industrial complex are simply fantastic and seriously strengthen our enemy
        1. Foundling
          Foundling 16 December 2022 09: 37
          +2
          Whatever the outcome of this conflict, the main beneficiary will be the United States. The only question is whether it will end with a huge plus for them or with an incalculably large one. All the rest are in the minuses anyway. The question is also leash in the depth of these minuses.
          1. igork735
            igork735 16 December 2022 11: 17
            +1
            Naturally, with a huge plus. Orders for the military-industrial complex will increase many times over. We need to replenish our stocks, feed old Europe. The former countries of the socialist camp will finally get rid of the remnants of Soviet weapons and everything will come to a single standard.
      3. orionvitt
        orionvitt 16 December 2022 09: 58
        -2
        Quote from Silver99
        SAM Patriot serious weapon

        Maybe serious, according to the same United States. But so far it has not shown itself anywhere. Rather, he showed it in Saudi Arabia, and by the way, with American calculations, when barefoot Houthis, with old Soviet missiles, nightmared the Saudis as they wanted. So what? The Americans brought them out quickly, under a far-fetched pretext, so as not to be dishonored.
      4. KCA
        KCA 17 December 2022 06: 18
        0
        In Saudi Arabia, the Patriots were very successful in chasing mopeds and Scuds, it’s necessary to give out orders and medals to the calculations with bags, to shoot down the ballistic or KR Iskander, it’s really necessary to try
    4. svp67
      svp67 16 December 2022 09: 17
      0
      Quote: Zoldat_A
      Shoot rockets at 3-5 lyamas of American money (only the rocket itself, not the complex!) at "Geraniums" at the cost of 10-20 thousand of the same money -!
      Commercials Ukraine will let America around the world.

      This is not the same arithmetic. The 20th "Geran" is capable of causing damage to tens or even hundreds of millions. So even five million costs is a reasonable price.
      And Ukraine will not let America in, this time will tell. The main thing is that we "do not go around the world"
      Yes, and they will be used not on Geraniums, but on our KR and Iskanders, and even on their air carriers
    5. 28st region
      28st region 16 December 2022 09: 19
      +1
      In the Army, and even more so in the war, money is not counted. This drone, worth 10-20 thousand, can cause millions of damage, which actually happens. It is imperative to shoot down, regardless of the cost of missiles. As an example, a gun projectile, its cost compared to the cost of a penny tank, will hit the tank for millions on fire. So they will spend money in the sense of trying to bring down
    6. Kotov_Oleg
      Kotov_Oleg 16 December 2022 09: 28
      +1
      According to open English-language sources, they are asking for them not to fight Geraniums, but for missile defense. Why put a shadow on the wattle fence? But I have doubts that the delivery will take place soon, because the calculations for their operation require a long phased preparation and preliminary selection. So I suppose the supply of this complex is still Manilovism.
    7. Apprentice_SAM
      Apprentice_SAM 16 December 2022 09: 31
      +2
      Commercials Ukraine will let America around the world.


      But what about:
      "You have 100 million! Listen, take everything, I'll draw myself more!" "Wedding in Malinovka ..."
      fellow
  2. Shkworen
    Shkworen 16 December 2022 08: 51
    +5
    But are patriots designed to fight UAVs like geraniums?
    I can still understand all sorts of gray needles there, this is a large high-flying target, but there are big doubts about geraniums that he will see them at all :)
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 16 December 2022 08: 59
      +8
      Quote: Shkworen
      But are patriots designed to fight UAVs like geraniums?

      Of course not. But who cares about such trifles?
    2. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 16 December 2022 09: 13
      -2
      Quote: Shkworen
      But are patriots designed to fight UAVs like geraniums?

      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      Of course not. But who cares about such trifles?

      But UkroPVO doesn’t care, maybe for Geraniums.
      Moreover, the technique is free, gifted. Remember how they called the children "Javelins", prayed for him, and then simply threw them under the bushes during the retreat and fired at the crows from them ...
      1. karabas-barabas
        karabas-barabas 17 December 2022 17: 39
        +1
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        And UkroPVO never mind

        They hit Geraniums with Cheetahs, MANPADS, and other short-range anti-aircraft missile defense systems. Patriots are dangerous because two divisions can create a 2x 250km+ radius no-fly zone for CR, BR and LA. What does the danger come in this case not only from Patriot missiles, but from its radars all the air defense forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will have information, up to calculations with MANPADS and memory devices on the front line. This is a very strong side of the Patriot complex and will allow the Armed Forces of Ukraine to impressively modernize their air defense, connect to these radars everything that is. Then, for example, the Russian Aerospace Forces will not be able to fly at all on the front line, but the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be able to, given, of course, the military air defense of the Russian Federation. In general, the Patriot system, if it gets to Ukraine, will be the most modern device on the battlefield that NATO countries supplied, the SM6 installations may well follow. Against the background of such systems, the supply of modern MBTs and infantry fighting vehicles no longer seem too bold.
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 17 December 2022 21: 25
          0
          Quote: karabas-barabas
          Patriots are dangerous because two divisions can create a 2x 250km+ radius no-fly zone for CR, BR and LA.

          It is, of course, all these tactical calculations - yes.
          I have little, but I have experience of communicating with our men from the Air Force (I say Air Force, because it was Afghanistan). So, in my experience of communicating with them - they can be taken to the Airborne Forces - they have missile defense, air defense - they don’t care.
          Yes, there were no Patriots and any serious air defense in Afghanistan. But "Stingers" has not been canceled. And I, because I myself am not a flyer, I don’t know what is more terrible for the Rook - layered air defense or scoundrels in the gorges with Stingers.

          I firmly took out one concept from the war - these, our boys with "birds" on their caps, are not afraid of the devil or God. And they don't give a damn about "layered air defense".
  3. rocket757
    rocket757 16 December 2022 08: 54
    +8
    Russian military correspondent: Patriot air defense systems are not a panacea that can protect Ukraine from kamikaze drones
    Guys ... from such a "gun" no one will shoot at "sparrows", drones ...
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 16 December 2022 08: 58
      -1
      And try not to shoot if he is clearly flying to visit you. Point something press-press.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 16 December 2022 09: 07
        +2
        It can be assumed that cheaper air defense systems will also be given to them / they are being made, over time.
        Fighting simple drones is not so difficult... costly, yes, but there are not many options here, either you will spend on counteraction, or you will be introduced into even greater costs.
    2. oleg-nekrasov-19
      oleg-nekrasov-19 16 December 2022 09: 05
      +3
      so it is, no one will spend expensive air defense missiles on strike drones at a cost ten times lower, if not twenty
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 16 December 2022 09: 10
        +3
        They will find effective and not very expensive methods, means of counteraction.
        For a long time, "lafa" with geraniums and other things will not last.
        1. oleg-nekrasov-19
          oleg-nekrasov-19 16 December 2022 09: 50
          0
          I think Russia, too, will not "sleep" and, based on the experience of these countermeasures, will develop and introduce something else more effective.
          1. Foundling
            Foundling 16 December 2022 10: 00
            +3
            That's exactly how it works. But while something new is being introduced, years pass. And on the other hand, they will also improve.
            1. oleg-nekrasov-19
              oleg-nekrasov-19 16 December 2022 10: 16
              0
              in the meantime, we are talking about "improvements" in these very minutes a massive missile strike is being launched on the infrastructure and facilities of Ukraine, and judging by the statements of local sources, all missile strikes reach their goals.
              1. Foundling
                Foundling 16 December 2022 10: 21
                +2
                So this is what we're talking about. Saturation of the enemy's air defenses has not yet been completed. Therefore, some of the blows reach the goal. If geraniums, then during the day, unfortunately, it will fly less. It would be better at night. But it is not important. If you attack then now and without ceasing. Because the window of opportunity, if not closed over time, will be seriously narrowed
                1. oleg-nekrasov-19
                  oleg-nekrasov-19 16 December 2022 10: 25
                  -2
                  I think they are attacking according to the plan for delivering missile strikes, taking into account the risks of destroying Ukrainian air defense missiles. They also turn off the infrastructure - gradually. In Kharkiv and Sumy regions, it is turned off by Iskanders.
              2. Foundling
                Foundling 16 December 2022 10: 24
                +2
                What sources are you looking at? While the squeal from the other side is a bit like
                1. oleg-nekrasov-19
                  oleg-nekrasov-19 16 December 2022 10: 27
                  -3
                  I have many sources, ranging from Gauleiter telegram channels to Trukha telegram channels, and of course Russian channels.
                2. Foundling
                  Foundling 16 December 2022 10: 27
                  +1
                  And all. Saw. Yes. Energy arrivals are confirmed. There is a contact. But it would be necessary without pauses to put the squeeze on this topic. Until the air defense was strengthened
            2. rocket757
              rocket757 16 December 2022 10: 35
              0
              As always, the race to the forefront!
              We have a serious enemy, having not small resources ... but with us, everything / a lot is somehow very muddy, it is not clear.
          2. rocket757
            rocket757 16 December 2022 10: 32
            0
            Shock systems, as a rule, are ahead in the development of a countermeasure system, BUT, for this you need to work hard, involve serious efforts and resources !!!
            How are we in this direction now ... I don’t know, I’m not sure, alas.
  4. dmi.pris1
    dmi.pris1 16 December 2022 08: 54
    +1
    There is no "wunderwaffe" in the field of weapons. Everyone has strengths and weaknesses.
    1. oleg-nekrasov-19
      oleg-nekrasov-19 16 December 2022 09: 08
      -1
      Of course there is, so the Russians will try to understand what strengths and weaknesses the "Patriot" air defense system has (if it is installed, of course, which I very much doubt). This is an invaluable experience and where else can you get it?
      1. Foundling
        Foundling 16 December 2022 10: 02
        +1
        Gaining experience is a third of the story. It is necessary to convert this experience into something material. And these are years. Especially in the conditions of sanctions pressure
  5. Leader_Barmaleev
    Leader_Barmaleev 16 December 2022 08: 55
    -2
    Everything that flies at a height of one to fifteen meters is fundamentally impossible to destroy with any air defense system. It's simple - in this layer there are trees, birds, dust and fumes - what is called ground noise. For UAVs, they are just not a hindrance, but a radar sharpened to work in clean air (from 50 meters to space) in the surface layer goes crazy. So Geraniums sneaking five meters above the ground is death to all these patriots. With what amerikosov and congratulations hi
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 16 December 2022 09: 06
      +1
      It seems that I read somewhere that Shahid-Mopeds fly at 2000 m, and reprogramming them to track the terrain at ultra-low altitude, at least in the current version, is unrealistic, if only because it has no radars, no sensors, nothing at all , just an inertial system plus GPS. But spending expensive Patriot missiles on them will also come out well.
      1. Leader_Barmaleev
        Leader_Barmaleev 16 December 2022 09: 37
        -1
        Shahid Mopeds fly at 2000 m, and reprogramming them to follow the terrain at ultra-low altitude, at least in the current version, is unrealistic,

        And what about the variant of any low-flying UAV platform with a "landing force" of a dozen quadcopters with grenades? It seems to me that such a scheme can work.
    2. Asad
      Asad 16 December 2022 09: 17
      +1
      How does he fly around trees at a height of 5 meters?
      1. Leader_Barmaleev
        Leader_Barmaleev 16 December 2022 09: 32
        -2
        How does he fly around trees at a height of 5 meters?

        The question is not for me, I just know a team of people, smart and motivated, who are dealing with just this problem. I don’t know the details, but the Chinese helicopters that the grandchildren launch somehow fly around obstacles and find open doors themselves - I think that the principle is the same, just scaled in size and speed.
    3. Kotov_Oleg
      Kotov_Oleg 16 December 2022 09: 38
      +1
      Five meters above the ground, given the cruising speed of the Geran and its by no means miniature dimensions, it will be available for destruction from a light machine gun, not to mention the NSV Utes.
      1. know-it-two
        know-it-two 16 December 2022 22: 37
        +1
        Well, yes .., well, yes ...))) Try to hit a flying target one night from the "Cliff" ... hi
  6. Nikolay310
    Nikolay310 16 December 2022 08: 55
    -3
    well, yes ... why are there some kind of patriots when Russia has mosquitoes ... Sladkov, don’t you want to apologize for that touching nonsense against us as grandfathers ??? after tenderness by mosquitoes, only patriots analyze ...

    By the way, they said the same thing about Chimeras ... they say there are few of them, they are not very ... only for some reason they left Kherson as a result of the inability to supply the group due to destroyed bridges ... By the way, they were destroyed by Chimeras ...

    I understand that the sweeter the oil, the closer to power (the cats will not let you lie) ... but the guys pay for your oil with blood ... and their blood of these guys is much more expensive than all your fake orders and seats in the presidential councils
  7. moscowp
    moscowp 16 December 2022 08: 58
    -1
    Patriot are not a panacea capable of protecting Ukrainian military and energy facilities from the same Geranium kamikaze drones.


    What else is left to say? And Sladkov did not lie, because in principle there is no panacea, not a single protection system in the world is absolute and is characterized by % of interceptions
  8. Vashek
    Vashek 16 December 2022 08: 59
    -2
    What are the drones? There is a full-time PRR X-37B, cat. designed for an act of love with the Patriot station. In addition, it is invisible - on the side lobe. So, who will we look at.
  9. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 16 December 2022 09: 00
    -1
    Of course, the Javelins, Bayraktars, HIMARS were not a panacea, as before, but they can cause trouble. Just recently, an American general said that it would be difficult for Ukrainians to fit them into the general air defense system and manage them. And it will take at least 6 months to learn the calculations. In addition, this system may fall into the hands of the Russians, which is undesirable.
    1. Asad
      Asad 16 December 2022 09: 21
      0
      I think that the calculations have long been trained and prepared.
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 16 December 2022 09: 40
        +1
        Quote: ASAD
        I think that the calculations have long been trained and prepared.

        and all the nameplates are under control and the software is translated into MOV... wassat
  10. Ivan Ivanov
    Ivan Ivanov 16 December 2022 09: 02
    +1
    This is to the fact that entry points and bridges and government quarters in Kuev can not be destroyed? Of course they are not, but in combination with other partner weapons, they create considerable problems for cunning plans.
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  12. Hindu
    Hindu 16 December 2022 09: 15
    +1
    Quote: Zoldat_A
    Quote from Silver99
    in fact, this is a direct American intervention in the conflict

    When will our people there, NAVIRHU, be able to tell America that even without the "Patriots" it is already in conflict up to its neck?


    But why?
    - hello, do you know that you are in conflict up to your ears?
    - yes, we know. More questions? Thank you for calling.

    What's next??
  13. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 16 December 2022 09: 27
    -1
    Russian military correspondent: Patriot air defense systems are not a panacea that can protect Ukraine from kamikaze drones
    So what! More Patriot air defense systems for dill, The more air defense systems, the more missiles, and the more money the United States will invest in Ukraine and the faster their pants will burst.
    (compare the cost of UAVs and missiles, $10 and $000) request and also a great target for air defense systems ....
    1. Foundling
      Foundling 16 December 2022 09: 57
      0
      They will print dollars in any amount. Believe it or not, they are doing it right now. This scheme has been "bursting" for 70 years already. But the trouble is, it will not burst in any way.
  14. break_beats
    break_beats 16 December 2022 09: 30
    -1
    Quote: Hindu
    Quote: Zoldat_A
    Quote from Silver99
    in fact, this is a direct American intervention in the conflict

    When will our people there, NAVIRHU, be able to tell America that even without the "Patriots" it is already in conflict up to its neck?


    But why?
    - hello, do you know that you are in conflict up to your ears?
    - yes, we know. More questions? Thank you for calling.

    What's next??


    I mean what's next? The continuation of the demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine, it seems that no changes were planned in the main tasks good
  15. Sailor
    Sailor 16 December 2022 09: 38
    0
    We won’t win so we’ll tear it up)) it’s a joke. Of course we will win, history repeats itself.
  16. Uprun
    Uprun 16 December 2022 09: 39
    0
    There are cons, there are pluses. Where can we still practically test the method of destroying this air defense system today? Of course, preferably with a calculation ... It’s not a fact that they will be striped, they can send Tribalts or Psheks to the outskirts .....
  17. Potomac
    Potomac 16 December 2022 10: 01
    +1
    So "Patriots" are designed to hit ballistic targets. There are other systems for aerodynamic ones, but there is nothing to say about mopeds.
  18. iouris
    iouris 16 December 2022 12: 07
    0
    He is a military commissar (with all due respect). Such forecasts are given by experts to interested organizations. For big money. Stakeholder organizations respond (i.e. invest huge amounts of money and resources).