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Ukrainian expert: we need 31 Patriot systems - the same number as we originally had S-300

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Ukrainian expert: we need 31 Patriot systems - the same number as we originally had S-300

In Ukraine, they continue to comment on statements about the "possible approval" of the supply of Patriot air defense systems. Earlier, statements first appeared that the US administration was allegedly not against such supplies, then publications appeared in the American media that Biden had not yet come to a final decision.


Meanwhile, in Ukraine itself, they are already "dividing the skin of an unkilled bear", arguing about where it is more efficient to place the Patriot air defense system "after it has been delivered."

So, in the Ukrainian media, with reference to an expert in the field aviation Valery Romanenko published a material saying that if the Patriot air defense system appears on Ukrainian territory, then at best it will be possible to cover one, not the largest, regional center with its help.

According to Romanenko, the problem with such deliveries of air defense systems is that "they are disproportionately small with the real needs of a country like Ukraine."

Romanenko:

We started the war when we had 31 S-300 systems, now we need the same number of Patriot air defense systems. Who will give them to us? Nobody. We are given (not yet given, - approx. "VO") one battery, which consists of six launchers. What will this battery protect? Well, at best, one regional city.

A couple of days ago, the head of the Kyiv regime, Zelensky, stated that “all the drones released by Russia were shot down.” If this is so, then why does Ukraine need Western air defense systems - how effective are the Armed Forces at their disposal ... Although Ukraine is positioning the possible supply of Patriot as a response to the allegedly “coming” supply of “Iranian ballistic missiles” to Russia.
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  1. Uprun
    Uprun 16 December 2022 07: 43
    +4
    We have someone say Sha! If you put this, then it will be something ... or is it some kind of cunning plan? Do not outwit yourself.
    1. Sith
      Sith 16 December 2022 07: 50
      +2
      If you start a dialogue ... if-if ... then it will just come to the third world war ... a patriot costs a lot of money and has not yet participated in normal battles ... USA ... so far only bluffing ... because so far only the press is talking about deliveries, and officials are hinting ... that 1 ... we will give ...
      As for the coming out experts ... they no longer know how many times they defeated us ... and his thoughts "how much" they need there ... and how much they will give ... they will be killed by the harsh reality
    2. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 16 December 2022 08: 04
      +1
      If you put this, then there will be something.
      .... this is not necessary ... a great cut is coming ... just until the parties have cut until they agree on their appetites
    3. Machito
      Machito 16 December 2022 08: 25
      +5
      Quote from uprun
      We have someone say Sha! If you put this, then it will be something ... or is it some kind of cunning plan? Do not outwit yourself.

      This is not our method.
      We will deceive the Empire of Lies with pure honesty.
      Yes, they are not so deceitful in this deceitful West. Here Anela Merkel honestly admitted that she deliberately deceived Putin for eight years. How can you not trust her after that?
    4. 28st region
      28st region 16 December 2022 08: 41
      +3
      There is a suspicion that it has already been installed

      Heavy American M985 tractors from the Patriot air defense system lit up in Ukraine


      https://ok.ru/video/4189539207808
      1. isv000
        isv000 16 December 2022 15: 00
        0
        Quote: 28st region
        There is a suspicion that it has already been installed

        Heavy American M985 tractors from the Patriot air defense system lit up in Ukraine

        While the cast-iron is functioning, they will not put it there yet ... And the Patriots will be thrown at them, junk from the first generations. That's what is not clear - why is the Pentagon ?! We’ll tear up the air defense system, we’ll wet the image ... request
    5. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 16 December 2022 10: 51
      0
      Quote from uprun
      We have someone say Sha! If you put this, then it will be something ... or is it some kind of cunning plan? Do not outwit yourself.

      Well, they said - "The Patriot systems delivered to Ukraine will become a legitimate target for the RF Armed Forces." What else can you say? If you manage to control it, then the mattresses will receive anti-advertising of their system, which is considered the main one.
      It seems that there will be no large deliveries, but in order to check the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation "for lice" in a test mode, one or two complexes may be driven.
    6. Foundling
      Foundling 16 December 2022 12: 31
      0
      What SHA? Simple practice. Our LiSiTsins knocked down mattress covers at moments in Korea and Vietnam and this did not lead to the third world war. They supplied air defense and military advisers. The states are doing the same. Even if 500 F-16s with Dzheksanyuk pilots strike at our positions on the territory of 404, this does not lead to a third world war, even according to the experience of the USSR. Outside of how we feel about it
    7. Vovka-r28
      Vovka-r28 16 December 2022 15: 23
      0
      Russia has been sent so many times why. With our red lines. One of the last moments when Russia withdrew from the grain deal. She said we would not let the grain be shipped. Turkey drove up the tanker and said "1) what are you going to do to us Putin?! From a recent one: when did the Navy fly to the fleet headquarters in the Crimea on the day?! Are those red lines? Yes, in the days of the USSR, a person responsible from shame would either shoot himself, or he would be removed from office 2%
  2. Yaro Polk
    Yaro Polk 16 December 2022 07: 44
    +4
    The keyword WAS .. so no already ... demilitarized them laughing
  3. Egoza
    Egoza 16 December 2022 07: 49
    0
    Zelensky said that "all the drones released by Russia were shot down"

    Oh, lie! And then he claims that five buildings were destroyed. (Although the people of Kiev say that more).
    1. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 16 December 2022 07: 57
      +1
      Oh, lie!
      .... the empire of lies tightly swallowed the Kyiv junta, there’s no other way
    2. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 16 December 2022 08: 16
      +4
      Quote: Egoza
      Zelensky said that "all the drones released by Russia were shot down"

      Oh, lie! And then he claims that five buildings were destroyed. (Although the people of Kiev say that more).

      UkroPVO shot down drones, the Clown is not lying.

      Buildings collapsed in fear. We were trembling while the UkroPVO dealt with our drones - well, then, as in an earthquake.

      wassat
      In my opinion, the nonsense that I just invented is no more stupid than what Zelensky is talking about.
      1. Machito
        Machito 16 December 2022 08: 20
        +2
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        Quote: Egoza
        Zelensky said that "all the drones released by Russia were shot down"

        Oh, lie! And then he claims that five buildings were destroyed. (Although the people of Kiev say that more).

        UkroPVO shot down drones, the Clown is not lying.

        Buildings collapsed in fear. We were trembling while the UkroPVO dealt with our drones - well, then, as in an earthquake.

        wassat
        In my opinion, the nonsense that I just invented is no more stupid than what Zelensky is talking about.

        You are just a treasure trove of wisdom.
        Father of logic.
        The deductive method of Sherlock Holmes is the last century.
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 16 December 2022 08: 30
          +4
          Quote: Bearded
          You are just a treasure trove of wisdom.
          Father of logic.

          I knew!
          Yes... And I'm also the great-grandfather of modesty...

          laughing
      2. alexoff
        alexoff 17 December 2022 00: 52
        +1
        Geraniums make a lot of noise, that's why the ancient Soviet legacy is falling apart
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 17 December 2022 02: 57
          +1
          Quote from alexoff
          Geraniums make a lot of noise, that's why the ancient Soviet legacy is falling apart

          You, Alexander, are wrong.
          I will tell you as a builder with great experience.

          If the "Khrushchevs" are not broken, as they do in Moscow, then for another 50 years they will stand with a guarantee.
          Brezhnev's 9-story buildings were unofficially designed for 100 years of operation.
          I live outside the city, in a cottage, but the apartment in which I grew up is exactly the one, "Brezhnev", built in the 75th year - in the city. I keep a parental apartment for children, grandchildren, granddaughters. More panels stand and are not going to fall.
          And I don't need to talk about the Soviet "tyap-blunder". As for the power set of the house, they will stand for 200 years.
          They are morally obsolete, hunting for someone to put towers of 28-36 floors in their place is another matter. Myself, sometimes, of such... feel I just build well. For another 100 years, at least.

          Therefore, Soviet buildings in Ukraine fall precisely from fear of the unpredictability of Ukrainian air defense. Cruel and ruthless... laughing

          Try to break today's monolith-framework and the Soviet "Khrushchev" with the usual "chisel" of the "Caterpillar" - and you will understand everything yourself.
          1. alexoff
            alexoff 17 December 2022 16: 35
            +1
            Khrushchev not very much because of their layouts. Well, that it will last a long time, especially with proper care, it’s a no-brainer, my house was built from cinder blocks in 1952 and nothing - it’s still worth it. I wonder if the neighboring houses made of gas blocks will stand for 70 years? Aerated concrete is said to have a shelf life of 50 years...
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 17 December 2022 21: 55
              0
              Quote from alexoff
              Khrushchev not very much because of their layouts. Well, that it will last a long time, especially with proper care, it’s a no-brainer, my house was built from cinder blocks in 1952 and nothing - it’s still worth it. I wonder if the neighboring houses made of gas blocks will stand for 70 years? Aerated concrete is said to have a shelf life of 50 years...

              No information. how much more durable cinder blocks are than gas blocks (by the way, you asked an interesting question - you will have to clarify with the head of the production department), but, for example, I am not at all against gas blocks. Concrete is also concrete in Africa, if you mix it wisely.
              All these talks "for 50 years", for "100 years" - from the category of guarantees to DVD-discs. They said that the guaranteed safety of information, with proper storage, is 50 years. And who checked? They, in fact, did not live 50 years. Now in the same place as tape and vinyl records.
              1. alexoff
                alexoff 17 December 2022 22: 44
                -1
                Cement is obtained by burning limestone, removing carbon dioxide from it, thus turning it into silicates due to the presence of sand in the mixture. Over time, carbon dioxide returns from the atmosphere, displacing the silica, and the cement falls apart. I remember the experiment was such - Biosphere-2, where concrete structures suddenly began to absorb carbon dioxide and oxygen, which complicated the work. In Ukraine, there was a revision of bridges in 2021, almost 2 thousand were recognized as emergency (it should be all), since concrete crumbles from loads and the environment, and also from temperature changes. And the foam blocks have a huge surface area, they should fall apart even faster, but on the other hand they should be protected by plaster and other wallpapers.
                1. stankow
                  stankow 18 December 2022 14: 05
                  0
                  ####Cement is obtained by roasting limestone, removing carbon dioxide from it, thus turning it into silicates due to the presence of sand in the mixture.

                  Vi, zto, seriously? Or an alternative chemist? laughing
                  1. alexoff
                    alexoff 18 December 2022 18: 43
                    0
                    No, I just briefly described why concrete does not live forever, so as not to talk about long-lived gypsum or hydrolyzing aluminates. If my memory serves me right, carbon dioxide emissions from cement production are comparable to emissions from cars, which upsets environmentalists
  4. alexey_444
    alexey_444 16 December 2022 07: 55
    +7
    What makes us angry? in Vietnam, our pvoshniks sat at the consoles and shot down hundreds of planes, according to the first they even flapped their wings until they started shooting down, pilots flew planes, special forces captured new models of American technology, this confrontation was and will be. Another question is what they will not put up or, in extreme cases, put up at the border, maybe even a couple of complexes. Well, and most importantly, this is other money, and despite the printing press, there is not enough of it, not to mention the fact that the best incentive for improving our weapons, which is not with the Black Sea Fleet, has already been good not with the Japanese, our valiant would have long been at the bottom the fleet would be, now conclusions are being drawn, it’s good that in relatively peacetime.
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 16 December 2022 08: 18
      +1
      Quote: alexey_444
      Another question is what they will not put up or, in extreme cases, put up at the border, maybe even a couple of complexes.

      On the Polish border. From the Polish side.

      Truth. how they will defend Ukraine at the same time is unknown, but it does not matter.
  5. purple
    purple 16 December 2022 08: 05
    +2
    Quote: Egoza
    Zelensky said that "all the drones released by Russia were shot down"

    Oh, lie! And then he claims that five buildings were destroyed. (Although the people of Kiev say that more).


    Why do they need Patriots then? Onizh and so they bring down everything
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 16 December 2022 08: 10
      +1
      Quote: purple

      Why do they need Patriots then? Onizh and so they bring down everything

      The name is quite beautiful. And so - the head of air defense says that the Ukrainians do not have time and do not get there, aviation must be raised.
  6. Vladimir Sedov
    Vladimir Sedov 16 December 2022 08: 10
    +2
    So what, these s300 helped. No. Patriot is an expensive toy. Destroying them will be the same expensive tools. For example, Dagger. Against him, the patriot is powerless.
    1. alexoff
      alexoff 17 December 2022 00: 53
      +1
      In the sense that the C300 did not help? Mykola Tarasyuk was scammed by two Poles with a salary, revenge has come true!
  7. Crimean partisan 1974
    Crimean partisan 1974 16 December 2022 08: 14
    +2
    Well, at best, one regional city.
    ... like a kiwi ... everyone will fly a dagger and there are no striped patriots ... and a flower bed of geraniums, tulip carnations will grow with regular constancy
  8. Bingo
    Bingo 16 December 2022 08: 17
    +5
    lol
    There is a saying - simplicity is worse than theft. The funny thing is, people who haven’t seen raguli live don’t realize that it’s completely normal for them, for example, to lean in, grab someone else’s and say - well, after all, I need it more ... And sincerely they won’t understand why they filled the scoreboard
  9. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 16 December 2022 08: 26
    +4
    we need 31 Patriot complexes
    And if we continue the thought of the Ukrainian side, then more: 100-150 modern aircraft, 300 American tanks, at least 1 aircraft carrier (with a crew) and, of course, a dozen missiles with nuclear warheads. If you cannot provide all this, then send NATO troops to the territory of Ukraine. Appetite appears during meals, and today they feed Zelensky from the belly.
  10. rocket757
    rocket757 16 December 2022 08: 44
    +1
    Ukrainian expert: we need 31 Patriot systems - the same number as we originally had S-300
    Here only one thing can be said / answered ... WANTING IS NOT HARMFUL, although, in some cases, it is dangerous.
  11. Fangaro
    Fangaro 16 December 2022 08: 50
    0
    These Patriots were not born in 2020. Why such a stir about their delivery / non-delivery?
    Statements about training "a battalion a month" are, in my opinion, more dangerous. The sky is important, but the earth is more important. With trained and equipped motorized riflemen.
    1. alexoff
      alexoff 17 December 2022 00: 57
      +1
      You have a short memory, starstrels were also considered an incredible weapon in the spring, and German cheetahs had to overcome in the summer. Where did 70 pieces of Ukrainian Tunguska go - a million-dollar question, because there are also missiles on the Tunguska, unlike the German miracle weapon
  12. evgen1221
    evgen1221 16 December 2022 08: 52
    +2
    Well, such wishlists are not far from the requirements to give them aug with f 22mi
    1. stankow
      stankow 18 December 2022 14: 07
      0
      On the AUG F-18 and F-35-yae serve wink
      ...........
  13. Navel
    Navel 16 December 2022 08: 59
    0
    Quote from uprun
    We have someone say Sha! If you put this, then it will be something ... or is it some kind of cunning plan? Do not outwit yourself.

    With this level of analytics, ask questions more globally:
    - Will someone finally liberate Ukraine in our country? Or is this some kind of cunning plan? Do not outwit yourself.
    or:
    - Will we ever begin to threaten NATO countries with a nuclear war for the supply of at least a couple of tanks? Or is this some kind of cunning plan? Do not outwit yourself.
  14. APASUS
    APASUS 16 December 2022 09: 46
    +2
    There were enough of them in Saudi Arabia, all UAVs missed
  15. iouris
    iouris 16 December 2022 12: 11
    +1
    "Ukrainian expert" (!) Experts are in the Pentagon and they are not interested in the wishes of a "dictator" of some "small corrupt country". Ukraine does not exist as a subject of something. Therefore, "Ukrainian experts" do not exist either. From there they wage an information war and try to collect intelligence through useful idiots.
  16. Vadim Topal Pasha
    Vadim Topal Pasha 16 December 2022 13: 49
    +2
    Something "vague doubts torment me" (C)

    Did IksperD write STE? But nothing, that the "Patriots" have a radar pointing angle of only 90 degrees? And to get full protection, you will need more complexes. Or has he already considered that as a result of the war, the number of objects that need to be protected has been greatly reduced?
  17. isv000
    isv000 16 December 2022 14: 54
    +2
    We started the war when we had 31 S-300 systems

    Oh, what happened? Where did it all go? Well, it’s clear with missiles - houses, bridges with tractors - you won’t get enough, they ran out, but where did you put the air defense systems ?! belay
  18. Last centurion
    Last centurion 16 December 2022 15: 39
    +2
    Do not let them give one complex, we will test how long it will live. Considering that it is stationary, it will be cool if they are crushed by a scooter. Then Geran will plant the UWB so deeply that the whole world will appreciate their analogues
  19. Beaver
    Beaver 16 December 2022 21: 12
    +1
    They will put how to give a drink. It's a defensive weapon. But, of course, it will cost a pretty penny
  20. mmaxx
    mmaxx 17 December 2022 16: 07
    +1
    The most interesting thing is that for other positions of the Wishlist, first laugh at the requests. And then in the end they did.
  21. Konung
    Konung 17 December 2022 16: 10
    +1
    Give, give, give, give to the father of Sumerian democracy, the giant of muesli, but not mange pa sis jur laughing
    This whole “circus with beggars” reminded K. Chukovsky’s rhyme
    "And then he called
    Crocodile
    And with tears he asked:
    "My dear, good,
    Send me galoshes,
    And me, and my wife, and Totosha.
    "Wait, are not you
    Last week
    I sent two couples
    Excellent galoshes?
    - Ah, those that you sent
    Last week,
    We have already eaten a long time
    And we wait, we will not wait,
    When will you send again
    To our supper
    Dozen
    New and sweet galoshes!
  22. arhPavel
    arhPavel 17 December 2022 16: 27
    +1
    The United States will supply the Khokhols with old versions of the patriot at the price of a new modification from their ready-made ones and will purchase new ones for themselves and re-equip their air defense. Get data for new modifications
  23. zenion
    zenion 17 December 2022 16: 27
    0
    Of course you have to give it to them. They have not yet sold such a patriot. Maybe in the bazaar market it will take first place in terms of sales?
  24. stankow
    stankow 18 December 2022 13: 59
    0
    One battery of any complex, even the S-500, cannot protect the regional center. Rather, 4-5 are needed, otherwise dozens of CDs fly from all sides. Patriots at least 2 lard apiece. So 62 lard, three years for production and there will be 31 complexes.