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Protecting rear air bases is a new priority for a special military operation

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Protecting rear air bases is a new priority for a special military operation



"Long arm" of Kyiv


In conditions when the initiative was almost completely transferred to the hands of the enemy, a strike into the depths of Russian territory was quite logical. It was vital for the Ukrainians to inflict reputational damage on Russia, and not at all symbolic - in total, three servicemen were killed on Engels-2 and Dyagilevo, eight were injured.

According to satellite imagery and photographic evidence, Tu-22M and Tu-95 strategic bombers were hit. It is important that the base airfields of the Russian nuclear deterrence forces were 500–700 km from Ukrainian territory.

Evil tongues instantly sounded the bell - now the Moscow "Decision Making Center" was within reach. It is difficult to judge how justified such panic moods are, but I really want to believe that the 1st Air Defense and Missile Defense Army of Special Purpose knows its business and will not allow a heavy drone to fly in its area of ​​​​responsibility. Apparently, this is what stopped the military command of Ukraine from attacking Moscow.

Also obvious is the participation of Western countries in the planning and conduct of this operation. In order for a heavy drone to fly several hundred kilometers unnoticed over enemy territory, it is necessary that several factors successfully develop at once. Russian radar stations must either be turned off at the moment of passage, or destroyed, or distracted by a massive air attack elsewhere. For this, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have everything - the radars can be hit by AGM-88 HARM anti-radar, and to divert the attention of the "Shell" you can launch several HIMARS salvos or a couple of Grad packages.


Soviet heritage - Tu-141 in the Kiev Museum aviation Ukraine. Source: wikipedia.org

According to experts, the Ukrainian side could use outdated Tu-141 Strizh to attack airfields. However, how outdated are they if they were able to hit one of the components of the Russian nuclear triad?

Ukrainians know how to handle Swifts also because there is an aircraft factory in Kharkov that produced these drones. And which, apparently, was never destroyed during the ten months of the special operation.

If the attacks on Diaghilev and Engels-2 were indeed carried out by modified Tu-141s, then the Ukrainian aircraft manufacturers were at their best. Which once again confirms the high technological level of the enemy that the Russian army is dealing with.

"Strizh" in general turned out to be a very inconspicuous object. In March of this year, the Armed Forces of Ukraine tried to launch a drone equipped with a bomb towards Russia, but the Tu-141 flew to Croatia. In total, the object spent several tens of minutes over the NATO countries and fell safely in Zagreb. Allegedly, the air defense of all countries, over which the T-141 passed, observed and accompanied the target, but did not dare to destroy it. How true this is, it is difficult to judge, but the failure of the "NATO" air defense, this incident has already entered the history.

The first “pen tests” with the Armed Forces of Ukraine took place back in 2014 during a punitive operation in the Donbass, however, they ended in vain. But by December 2022, most of the technical problems had been resolved, and the Tu-141s, which were essentially cruise missiles, flew to Russian airfields.

Could it have been defended?


Naturally, in a patriotic environment, the strikes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the rear airfields caused a storm of indignation. Starting from calls for a retaliatory nuclear strike on Kyiv, they say, drones encroached on Russian strategic weapon, and ending with cries of the need to severely punish the perpetrators. It was supposed to remove the heads from the leadership of the local air defense and the command of strategic aviation. Say, how did it fail to defend against Ukrainian cruise missiles?

Let's try to look at the situation without emotions.

How does the Ukrainian side act? Carefully and with serious assistance from NATO, they are looking for weaknesses in Russian defense. They found a hole in Sevastopol and hit on October 29th. Yes, this was preceded by several months of testing and approbation of kamikaze boats. The attack was made and has not been repeated. Whether the APU has run out of drones, or whether they simply cannot get through a qualitatively new defense, is not known for certain. Explosions similar to those that occurred at the Saki airfield in Crimea are not repeated, no matter what their cause. Russia, as bitter as it sounds, has to learn from its mistakes.

With a strike on the rear airfields of Engels-2 and Dyagilevo, the Armed Forces of Ukraine achieved the main thing - they made army officials think that the NVO is no longer limited to four regions of Russia. It's unfortunate that we had to pay for this with the lives of our guys, but with the existing approach, when we parry rather than attack, this blow was only a matter of time. Now we have to defend. And not only these airfields, but also objects in an even greater depth of defense - even in standard equipment, the Tu-141 can go a thousand kilometers.

In Ukraine, they are working around the clock to modernize the Soviet Swifts and, with the help of allies, can turn it into an even more dangerous projectile. This is very beneficial for the West - formally, the Ukrainians independently create such weapons, so there can be no talk of any escalation from Russia. In the minds of NATO leaders, if strikes on Russian territory are not carried out by foreign weapons, then there is no need to worry.


That was the case with Engels. Source: Telegram




Now so. Source: Telegram

What measures are to be taken by the Russian Aerospace Forces, except for the ominous inscription "Death to the Nazis!" at the Tu-95 parking lot?

First of all, bring intelligence and counterintelligence into proper condition, which, judging by the attacks, did not cope with the tasks. Such incidents are not the launch of HIMARS from the third defense line, this is a real attack on sensitive strategic objects. If the Rybar project, according to its founder Mikhail Zvinchuk, has a large staff of sympathetic informants, then why didn’t the trusted representatives of our special services trace the manipulations with rather big Swifts near the front line? It is also possible that the adjustment and guidance of the drones was carried out from the ground by sabotage groups of the Armed Forces of Ukraine deep in the Russian rear.

There are fewer questions about air defense.

Air defense at least shot down kamikaze drones on approach, which is why the damage to the “strategists” cannot be called fatal. There is a shortage of layered defense of airfields, probably due to the transfer of a considerable part of the equipment to the NWO.

The situation is similar with electronic warfare systems, which are of paramount importance in the fight against objects guided by GPS. It is impossible to increase the defense of the rear airfields at the expense of new equipment at one moment - the Almaz-Antey factories are already overwhelmed with orders. Additional protection of objects such as Engels and Diaghilev is possible only by exposing the air defense zone in the east of the country. Certainly not an easy decision, but it is temporary.

The dispersal of aircraft over the gigantic area of ​​strategic aviation airfields also seems logical. Moreover, in such a way that even a part of the machines could be guaranteed to be hit only with tactical nuclear weapons. The difficulty is that the aircraft, in fact, have nowhere else to transfer - in Russia there are not so many sites designed for the full maintenance of such complex equipment.

Now for the expensive stuff.

Of course, it is very difficult to equip an individual reinforced concrete shelter for each Tu-22M, Tu-95 and Tu-160. For example, the "White Swan" occupies an area of ​​​​more than three thousand square meters, Tu-95 - about two and a half thousand. Caponiers will be built and developed in a couple of years, and they will cost not much cheaper than setting up a new air base somewhere beyond the Urals. A radical solution to the problem seems to be the dispersal of our strategic aviation over several airfields, and not over two or three. A rather large service infrastructure requires money and time.

Now, when part of the aircraft has been deployed to airfields that are not capable of fully working with such equipment, it is difficult to even imagine the logistical problems of the flight and technical staff. But in any case, this problem would have to be solved, if not during the NWO, then a little later.
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  1. CirclePit
    CirclePit 17 December 2022 05: 03
    +13
    Strange, but it seemed to me that the main priority is the protection of the inhabitants of Donbass.
    Or denazification with demilitarization...
    Although, who will remember?
    Why announce any goals when you can present anything at any time for victory, because everything is going according to plan.
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 17 December 2022 05: 11
      -9
      Quote from circlepit
      Strange, but it seemed to me that the main priority is the protection of the inhabitants of Donbass.
      Or denazification with demilitarization...

      smile When NATO stands at our borders, this is all trifles.
      It is unacceptable that US space intelligence sees all the preparations for the departure of strategists in open areas ... the delivery of fuel, ammunition, repair work, their exact location and then.
      All this must be hidden from the eyes of our main enemy in enclosed spaces ... and everything else should be shown only for his disinformation.
      1. CirclePit
        CirclePit 17 December 2022 05: 30
        +12
        The bottom line is that they can afford it and you need to start from it, as from a normal reality. And it would be difficult to call shots on which the sides are preparing or already taking off from the runway a misinformation. They have the ability to see - we do not really. This is the gap that needs to be made up.
        And taking into account our realities, if this cannot be done due to certain reasons - ranging from a lack of qualified personnel to rabid corruption spiced with bungling - we will be told that we can do without it, on some moral and strong-willed ones.
        1. Aerodrome
          Aerodrome 17 December 2022 06: 48
          +1
          until the thunder breaks out, the peasant does not cross himself ... or until the roasted rooster, in the f. don't bite your butt...
      2. vadivm59
        vadivm59 17 December 2022 17: 10
        +5
        Have you heard anything about the open skies treaty? there is also an agreement on the control of strategic offensive arms. And according to it, strategic aviation should be located at their main bases without means of camouflage. In the same way, strategists stand in the United States, and not because the leadership of the Aerospace Forces "does not catch mice."
        1. nerd.su
          nerd.su 19 December 2022 21: 37
          0
          Quote: vadivm59
          Have you heard anything about the open skies treaty?

          heard that Russia came out of it.
          1. vadivm59
            vadivm59 20 December 2022 03: 31
            0
            yes, Russia also withdrew from it, but the START treaty is still in effect, and in it the main control function is assigned to the spacecraft.
            1. nerd.su
              nerd.su 20 December 2022 10: 00
              0
              Quote: vadivm59
              , but the START treaty is still in effect

              It seems to me that Cold War treaties will not last long. Even if they were recently renewed. Everyone seems to think they are outdated.
        2. SergioCDS
          SergioCDS 10 January 2023 22: 28
          0
          Do not mislead the audience: - "On December 18, 2021, Russia officially ceased participation in the Open Skies Treaty (OST)"
          https://www.ntv.ru/novosti/2645582/
  2. igorra
    igorra 17 December 2022 05: 19
    +12
    A strange war from our leadership and a civil war from the people. Russians are fighting among themselves. The same intervention as in 1918. All the same faces. The Japanese are just not enough. There is only one difference, the communists are not visible. It was hard to expect anything else from our Commercial Party of the Russian Federation. Such an idea, Zyu and his comrades merged in Russia ...
    1. yuriy1863
      yuriy1863 18 December 2022 21: 21
      +1
      Indeed, more than a strange war. And it is strange, primarily because it takes place in the online show mode. The audience is on sofas by TV screens and computers, somewhere "tin soldiers" are fighting, somewhere, by itself, the country's leadership, which has not yet decided on the goals, objectives and deadlines of this "series" and says that nothing is yet didn't really start.
      But people are dying for real, cities are burning for real.
      And, really, the country was not ready for war. And it is not ready, first of all, morally, ideologically. The country is not ready and professionally. I mean the Armed Forces and, first of all, the military leadership.
      Indeed, it is time for a change. You can't live like this anymore. We all together, the whole country, have reached a dead end and have already come up against a blank impenetrable wall.
      It's time to do everything for real: live, work and fight.
  3. odometer
    odometer 17 December 2022 05: 23
    +21
    Such a good plan ... First - Ukraine in two days, and now we are afraid of attacks on Moscow sad
    1. N3onMiami
      N3onMiami 17 December 2022 11: 39
      +21
      It's one thing to lie for 8 years from all screens about the "second army of the world", about analogues, about the decaying West, and that we are NATO, these stupid Americans, we'll do it with one left.
      And another thing is to really fight. What can we even talk about if we have been unable to cope with Ukraine for almost a year now. And this is NATO only with intelligence, but it helps with outdated equipment.
      What would happen if they took us seriously? Except for nuclear war, of course.
      1. Blackgrifon
        Blackgrifon 17 December 2022 18: 34
        +1
        Quote from N3onMiami
        And this is NATO only with intelligence, but it helps with outdated equipment.

        Is reconnaissance information from a satellite constellation "just"? Work Polish-English "ihtanet" - this is not there either? Anti-tank systems of all stripes, himaris, means of communication (including satellite), precision-guided munitions, loitering drones, artillery radars, armored vehicles of fresh years of production - is this outdated equipment? Seriously? :) You don't need to go to the other extreme either.

        They got used to local wars and built an army since 2009 only for locals - and the Ministry of Finance was happy and the population wanted "small, professional and contract" - and then "suddenly" it turned out that only numerous (with an emphasis on the conscription-reservist recruiting system) and professional the army is able to carry out its tasks. So we pay for this "enlightenment".
  4. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 17 December 2022 05: 26
    -15
    Quote: igorra
    Russians are fighting among themselves.

    And mercenaries from all over the world do not count or what?
    And what about instructors from the USA, Britain and other countries?
    And what about the supply of weapons, equipment, ammunition from NATO?
    So it’s not the Russians who are fighting against each other ... it’s the West fighting against the Russians with the help of Russians and Ukrainians also zombified by Western propaganda ... this must be clearly distinguished and not mislead people with an alleged civil war.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 17 December 2022 07: 04
      +21
      And mercenaries from all over the world do not count or what?
      And let's quickly remember how it was.
      The West began to import binoculars and sapper shovels, the Kremlin did not react. The West brought small arms. The Kremlin is nothing. The West brought heavy weapons. The Kremlin is nothing again.. The West organized air defense. The Kremlin continues to draw red lines. Finally, the West understood that everything is possible for him, the Kremlin will not argue with partners.
      So it's not the West that's bad. These are the ones who allow him everything.
      1. ProkletyiPirat
        ProkletyiPirat 17 December 2022 08: 56
        -9
        Well, since we started to remember, let's remember what happened under the tsars, Ukraine is there, or rather its territories and inhabitants fought both for and against Russia.

        or let's remember that wildest mess that the USSR did, with all these "brothers", no matter Polish, Baltic, Ukrainian and others ...

        and your words, although true in themselves, are taken out of context, "Ukrainian zugzwang" is a rather multifaceted topic, and most of the realistic solutions that I personally know either do not give anything or can lead to a mess in the Russian Federation, up to civil war. .. Therefore, for me personally, there are no "oddities" in the actions of the Russian authorities.
  5. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 17 December 2022 05: 45
    -8
    Quote from circlepit
    They have the ability to see - we do not really.

    We also would like to.
    As one proverb says...
    Who does not want to do something is looking for reasons not to do it, who wants to look for ways to do it. smile
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  6. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 17 December 2022 05: 50
    +4
    Quote: curvimeter
    Such a good plan ... First - Ukraine in two days, and now we are afraid of attacks on Moscow sad

    A normal plan... although it did not take into account many nuances... this indicates that the realities of life of the country's high command are lagging behind.
    The higher and longer a person is in higher positions, the less he understands and feels what is happening below ... this is the natural state of the philosophical being of a person.
    Sometimes it is useful for the president to be incognito in the shoes of an ordinary soldier or a resident of the village of Gadyukino. smile
    1. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 18 December 2022 16: 01
      +2
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Sometimes it is useful for the president to be incognito in the shoes of an ordinary soldier or a resident of the village of Gadyukino.

      And not only to the President, but also to the Minister of Defense. the head of the Ministry of Finance, the Prime Minister, as well as numerous deputies, members and polynomials. And I still don’t see communists on the front line. Where are all these speakers and organizers?
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 18 December 2022 20: 21
        +1
        And I still don’t see communists on the front line.
        And I don't see. As well as members of the United Russia, the Liberal Democratic Party and so on. But there are Limonovites, although the NBP has long been banned.
        1. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 18 December 2022 21: 29
          0
          Quote: Aviator_
          And I still don’t see communists on the front line.
          And I don't see. As well as members of the United Russia, the Liberal Democratic Party and so on. But there are Limonovites, although the NBP has long been banned.

          .Deputy State. Duma from EP, Vitaly Milonov is already in the NWO zone. Alexander Boroday. .Deputy of the State Duma of the Russian Federation from the EP party Oleg Kolesnikov,. Dmitry Khubezov. Dmitry Sablin. Viktor Vodolatsky. Ahmed Dogaev. Adam Delimkhanov. Deputy. Yuri Shvytkin of the State Duma from the United Russia party, who participated in the war in Chechnya. These are actually those who are on the front line.
          1. Aviator_
            Aviator_ 18 December 2022 21: 39
            0
            I'm glad I was wrong. I just don’t understand what benefit Milonov can bring at the forefront? Do all of you listed (except Yu. Shvytkin, a veteran of Chechnya), have a VUS in demand at the forefront?
            1. Xnumx vis
              Xnumx vis 18 December 2022 22: 03
              -1
              Quote: Aviator_
              I just don’t understand what benefit Milonov can bring at the forefront?

              Milonov is there, like an ordinary .. artilleryman, gunner .. I watched reports in the telegram channel. with him .. How does he help there? Even by his mere presence next to the most ordinary soldiers ... ...
              1. Aviator_
                Aviator_ 19 December 2022 08: 15
                0
                Milonov is there, like an ordinary .. gunner, gunner ..
                Clear. There were no more gunners in our country. He earns a medal for himself, given his previous deputy activity.
  7. Bulgarian
    Bulgarian 17 December 2022 06: 21
    +3
    I would like to ask the author. Before you disperse the "zrada", you generally have information about what means and from where the attack was carried out. If not, you don't even have to start writing.
  8. parusnik
    parusnik 17 December 2022 06: 27
    +12
    When they announced the demilitarization of Ukraine, they did not talk about the demilitarization of Ukrainian enterprises owned by Russian oligarchs or partially owned by them. Even when the territory on which these enterprises are located passes to Russia, the Russian oligarchs will receive compensation, and the restoration will come from the treasury ..
  9. Zadok
    Zadok 17 December 2022 06: 36
    +6
    first, for treason, it is necessary to shoot the leaders who put Carcasses wing to wing and drove tankers.
    1. 2112vda
      2112vda 17 December 2022 06: 47
      +4
      Are you going to shoot "stool"? After all, according to his decree, the aircraft were assembled at several air bases as part of the optimization. The leadership of the country has a "stool" hero.
      1. Zadok
        Zadok 17 December 2022 07: 42
        +9
        a lot of time has passed since the time of the taburetych. and the moronic order could be canceled. but the current <mat> commanders are stupid, alas
        1. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 18 December 2022 20: 23
          0
          moronic order could be canceled.
          It is possible to cancel the order, but to build another airfield on which strategists could be based - no.
      2. Xenofont
        Xenofont 17 December 2022 08: 50
        +4
        All airfields for long-range and strategists were built under the Union and there are no new ones, so there is nowhere to disperse. And the runway for heavy vehicles is a long and costly story. She only needs to stand up after construction for several years, not to mention special materials.
        1. Sergey Valov
          Sergey Valov 17 December 2022 12: 12
          +3
          There is space to concentrate. There are at least six such airfields around Moscow alone. Plus airfields at aircraft factories, plus civilian airfields. And there are fighter airfields specially built to receive heavy vehicles.
          1. Xenofont
            Xenofont 18 December 2022 20: 59
            0
            Name a couple for heavy near Moscow, with infrastructure, pliiiz!
            1. Sergey Valov
              Sergey Valov 18 December 2022 21: 14
              -1
              “with infrastructure” - about infrastructure, this is your notion, I didn’t write a word about it, but for dispersal - Zhukovsky, Kubinka and Shchelkovsky airfields. Plus three civilian airports.
              1. Xenofont
                Xenofont 18 December 2022 22: 00
                0
                I served in aviation as a technician and I imagine a complex for providing and servicing transport aviation, so nonsense about dispersal without colossal efforts does not roll. Only an idiot can land equipment on airfields where there are no fuel and spare parts warehouses !!!
                1. Sergey Valov
                  Sergey Valov 18 December 2022 23: 05
                  0
                  In the Arctic, there were TECs on ice airfields ??? good I'm talking about dispersal, and not about temporary basing. In the mid-60s, a regiment of Tu-11s landed in Khotilovo, where the Su-16s were then based, during the exercises. Who are you calling an idiot? By the way, the airfield in Khotilovo was originally built as a bomber jump airfield.
                  1. Xenofont
                    Xenofont 18 December 2022 23: 25
                    0
                    And you are not ashamed to balabolit? Have you served anywhere?
                    1. Sergey Valov
                      Sergey Valov 19 December 2022 00: 00
                      0
                      I served, and I know the topic under discussion not on the Internet, but in aviation from birth to retirement.
    2. Sergey Valov
      Sergey Valov 17 December 2022 09: 53
      +5
      For some reason, lovers of shooting think that executions will not affect them. Favorite excuse - "what are we for?". A very erroneous misconception. At least for the sake of it.
  10. Gnefredov
    Gnefredov 17 December 2022 06: 57
    +6
    In my time, we (team of techies) on IL-76 loaded "under the cork" with instruments, machine tools, electrical equipment, test consoles and other useful items, were rolled around the country from airfield to airfield. An inspection and minor (but specific) repairs of various aircraft (not only aircraft) were carried out on the spot. Perhaps it makes sense to repeat such an experience. I don’t know how things are now with such “flyers” and whether they exist at all.
    UPD This is a question of servicing "strategists" deployed in places that are unusual for them.
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 17 December 2022 07: 30
      +4
      Yes, it used to be. We could drive the 76th from Siberia to Kharkov even because of ONE board for the programming machine. However, times are not the same. They were left only to support the pants. Judging by the fact that I observe with my own eyes everything that can fly, and even that which should no longer be, but still can.
  11. vitvit123
    vitvit123 17 December 2022 06: 58
    +6
    It is important that the base airfields of the Russian nuclear deterrence forces were 500–700 km from Ukrainian territory.


    And who is this important to? Is it important for those who are responsible for security - order at the airfields? To once again justify another general? Like - they say: someone might have thought, it seems far in the rear, this is normal and he is not to blame ...
    Whether I have become so petty-picky, or whether we really try to lull ourselves to sleep ...
    After such a reading, the question immediately arises to the author, why make such formulations? Maybe it should have been phrased like this:
    Due to the dangerous proximity, in modern realities (missiles, UAVs) to the BS line, no measures were taken to protect the strategic military facility, etc., etc.
    Need to wake people up, not lull them to sleep that everything is within the normal range..
  12. nickname7
    nickname7 17 December 2022 07: 01
    -9
    It is a pity for the dead workers, but as a military action, these arrivals are equal to 0, the airfield is not damaged, the planes are intact, so the significance of these attacks is exaggerated.
  13. 1razvgod
    1razvgod 17 December 2022 07: 05
    +6
    The realities are such that the ground forces are regrouping and for aviation they are dispersed ... And to listen to the guarantor or his mustache, everything is according to plan. Do you have a Mr. Fix plan?
    1. Sergey Valov
      Sergey Valov 17 December 2022 09: 57
      +2
      You can disperse for a very short time, to withdraw from the expected impact. For a long period it will not work, no one has canceled maintenance.
      “so everything is according to plan” - do you know the plan? bully
  14. Pavel57
    Pavel57 17 December 2022 07: 20
    +1
    The Tu-141 was most likely equipped with a GPS guidance unit. Then it can be assumed that in March of this year, the Armed Forces of Ukraine tried to launch a drone equipped with a bomb not in the direction of Russia and the Tu-141 flew to Croatia. It was a test of a new guidance unit and a test of the possibility of overcoming air defense.
  15. Pavel57
    Pavel57 17 December 2022 07: 25
    +4
    Quote: 2112vda
    Are you going to shoot "stool"? After all, according to his decree, the aircraft were assembled at several air bases as part of the optimization. The leadership of the country has a "stool" hero.

    He brilliantly completed the task he was given. Transformed the army, prepared it for war. True war turned out to be different
    1. Xenofont
      Xenofont 17 December 2022 08: 58
      +4
      And the current leadership has aggravated the situation so much that both friends and enemies have seen all our archaism and backwardness.
  16. Aerodrome
    Aerodrome 17 December 2022 07: 50
    +4
    Quote: igorra
    A strange war from our leadership and a civil war from the people. Russians are fighting among themselves.

    that's the whole point. the states rejoice.
  17. Taimen
    Taimen 17 December 2022 08: 57
    +2
    Again, excuses, yes if only, yes if only. This is what kind of stupidity you need to have in order not to do an elementary analysis and not make backup plans when conducting an NWO. Again, maybe, I suppose, and if, then if only. once you are convinced how smarter the hated Grozny and Stalin were.
    1. Blackgrifon
      Blackgrifon 17 December 2022 18: 38
      +2
      Ivan 3, Ivan 4 the Terrible, Peter 1 and Stalin were generally geniuses. Therefore, they forgot one, slandered two, and the third - idiots are still trying to smear mud with dirt.
  18. north 2
    north 2 17 December 2022 09: 05
    0
    I don’t understand a lot of things in aviation, so I ask experts to answer an incomprehensible question for me without laughing. If we have, to put it mildly, very few strategic bombers, then why can't they be dispersed, for example, one at a time, at different military airfields? I'm not talking about the fact that if the "strategists" are already located at the same airfield, then the air defense for such a strategic facility should be such that "even a fly would not fly there." This is one of the constituent elements of the country's strategic nuclear triad!
    1. solar
      solar 17 December 2022 11: 03
      +3
      why can't they be dispersed, for example, one at a time, at different military airfields?

      They also need to be serviced, which means that the staff should have specialists and a set of equipment for servicing and supporting flights, including such specific ones as a storage of nuclear charges. It will be expensive to do this for each aircraft personally.
  19. Ulum
    Ulum 17 December 2022 09: 24
    +9
    What were you thinking about before? In Soviet times, DA airfields were covered by C 125 divisions. Batteries stood in caponiers along the perimeter of the borders of airfields. The planes were in caponiers, the squadron parking areas were spaced apart. Even if the rocket hit one caponier, only one side was destroyed, you still need to be able to hit it so accurately. And when the USSR ended, at almost all YES air bases, the planes were placed in parking lots along the MRD in a line. Of course, it is also more convenient to serve and shoot movies. Well, we got what we got. Life does not teach our commanders anything.
    1. Comet
      Comet 17 December 2022 14: 47
      -1
      Quote: Ulum
      What were you thinking about before? In Soviet times, DA airfields were covered by C 125 divisions ...

      O! So they should hide behind the S-350. Only the S-350 was 10 years late that way. And by no means through the fault of the developer / manufacturer. And already the S-350 should hide behind the Shells. Well, there is no S-350 in the right amount ...
  20. Ulum
    Ulum 17 December 2022 09: 30
    +3
    Quote: nickname7
    It is a pity for the dead workers, but as a military action, these arrivals are equal to 0, the airfield is not damaged, the planes are intact, so the significance of these attacks is exaggerated.

    Well, yes, let's wait for the massive arrivals. Ukrainians are fools, why be afraid of them, so what?
  21. APASUS
    APASUS 17 December 2022 09: 59
    +6
    Strange fires and explosions across the country. Now all the main nodes of industry are in danger, and not just military facilities. It's time to change the very system of approach to the protection of objects, take it from Israel. There is nothing to blame on the Jews, their experience is priceless
  22. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 17 December 2022 10: 05
    +5
    Well, you must! It's completely useless to explain. It is stupid to write that neither the S 300, nor the S 400, and other healthy gizmos are, in principle, unsuitable for protecting anything from a swarm of missiles or a drone attack. Decisions in our state, and even more so in its Defense Ministry, are made with the help of many tools, but not with the help of reason. Brains are not needed, because they have absolutely nothing to do with it.
    Yes, any thinking person is completely clear that shooting down a penny drone with a S 400 missile is a sure way to destroy your own country, by forcing all its production resources to be thrown into the wind. A thinking person understands that, but not a single official of the Ministry of Defense has ever even scratched himself. What for? No one has ever used reason in making decisions in this marvelous institution. They reported on the adoption of "electromagnetic rifles", they say, we are keeping up with the times, and that's it.
    In principle, we have no means of combating drones and a massive missile attack. Terribly upset by this fact, officials of the Ministry of Defense of the corresponding direction in honor of this today will steal five times more than usual. And the government will give them more prizes, titles and medals in honor of this.
    How well everything is arranged with us, the soul rejoices!
    1. Comet
      Comet 17 December 2022 14: 51
      -4
      Quote: Mikhail3
      Well, you must! It's completely useless to explain. It is stupid to write that neither the S 300, nor the S 400, and other healthy gizmos are, in principle, unsuitable for protecting anything from a swarm of missiles or a drone attack. Decisions in our state, and even more so in its Defense Ministry, are made with the help of many tools, but not with the help of reason. Brains are not needed, because they have absolutely nothing to do with it.

      S-350. Strategic decisions in our country are made by the liberal financial and economic bloc, and the Defense Ministry is already adjusting to it. And the financial and economic bloc has always considered defense spending a burden on the budget ...
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 17 December 2022 15: 37
        0
        The question is a bit off. It was necessary, or rather, according to the position, it was supposed to think about protection against a promising new type of weapon. Okay, there are not thousands of installations that are needed, since our authorities bravely (without being interested in the opinion of the people and without explaining anything to them so far) have fought with the entire West. Not even any samples! Electronic warfare systems with sin in half can cope with one drone. Not always. And not with everyone. "Electromagnetic rifles" are stupid profanity, simply speaking, cut in its purest form. And it's all! There is nothing more! Tell everyone! Crap...
        1. Comet
          Comet 19 December 2022 10: 50
          -1
          Quote: Mikhail3
          The question is a bit off. It was necessary, or rather, according to the position, it was supposed to think about protection against a promising new type of weapon.

          Well, I thought about protection against a promising new type of weapon, but the Ministry of Economy and the Ministry of Finance did not give funds for it ...
          Quote: Mikhail3
          ..., since our authorities bravely (not interested in the opinion of the people and have not explained anything to them so far) fought with the whole West ...

          Our authorities did not bully the entire West, our authorities are very Western-oriented.
          1. Mikhail3
            Mikhail3 19 December 2022 12: 33
            +1
            Quote: Comet
            Well, I thought about protection against a promising new type of weapon, but the Ministry of Economy and the Ministry of Finance did not give funds for it.

            Then you (if you are a specialist of the Ministry of Defense of the corresponding direction) are unsuitable, that's all.
            Quote: Comet
            our authorities did not bully the whole West, our authorities are very Western-oriented.

            That's just the West does not recognize their non-traditional orientation. He despises and disdains. Yes, and laughs, looking at the clumsy and stupid fluttering of our geniuses. After all, it’s not stealing, using power, here it’s real and the mind is needed, and education, and various trainings, and a lot of everything that didn’t spend the night there and nearby. Our geniuses crawl out to the West with their ideas, and every time they get tinsel, tinsel ... Well, along with them, we. But we don’t have billions of stolen goods ...
      2. Al Al_3
        Al Al_3 17 December 2022 21: 37
        +2
        And who appoints the liberal-economic bloc to their posts and who signs the defense budget?
        1. Comet
          Comet 19 December 2022 10: 56
          0
          In particular, the Ministry of Finance and the Ministry of Economics. And the Central Bank targeted inflation to a loss of about three hundred yards.
  23. Karabin
    Karabin 17 December 2022 10: 46
    +8
    Evil tongues instantly sounded the bell - now the Moscow "Decision Making Center" was within reach.

    Are tongues evil, if they are so worried. What if our Strategic Advantage, his Mustaches, the brilliant people's commissars of industry and the defense industry, red line artists, outstanding marshals suffer?
    but I really want to believe that the 1st Special Purpose Air Defense and Missile Defense Army knows its business and will not allow a heavy drone to fly in its area of ​​​​responsibility.

    Yeah. From "sure" to "I want to believe" a long distance.
    Apparently, this is what stopped the military command of Ukraine from attacking Moscow.
    Judging by what, the author makes such a conclusion? Or does he have acquaintances among the Armed Forces of Ukraine? Or maybe he introduced a mole? For me, the version that the stupid and cowardly bangs can come smart and brave is more preferable. Again, crow to crow... Blooming Rublyovka and Koncha-Zaspa will not let you lie.
  24. vlad2000
    vlad2000 17 December 2022 10: 59
    +4
    Quote: Xenofont
    All airfields for long-range and strategists were built under the Union and there are no new ones, so there is nowhere to disperse. And the runway for heavy vehicles is a long and costly story. She only needs to stand up after construction for several years, not to mention special materials.

    oh well. why is it so expensive? a geological study of the soil is carried out for density and the presence of floaters (done during the construction of any building and object), preparation of the lower layer and pouring concrete of a certain brand. special additives cost a penny now. reinforcing elements made of metal are a common product of steel production. The light and radar equipment of the strip is standard as at any airfield. The cost will be less than an ordinary yacht of some kind of Russian oligarch or governor-level official.
  25. solar
    solar 17 December 2022 10: 59
    +5
    Protecting rear air bases is a new priority for a special military operation

    A pretty thing - from "Kyiv in three days" the situation moved on to protecting the rear bases of strategic aviation.
    And if somewhere in Poland or the Czech Republic, Ukrainians start mass production of analogues of shahid mopeds, which cannot be ruled out, they have a sample, access to components too, they will probably throw money at it if something has to be thought about protecting the Kremlin and Red Square ? Or, rather, substations and thermal power plants in central Russia?.:(
  26. Sergey Valov
    Sergey Valov 17 December 2022 12: 52
    -1
    The author tries to consider a very complex topic on emotions without knowledge, as a result, experts laugh, and ignorant people get completely confused.
    1. “The drone flew several hundred kilometers unnoticed” - where does the information come from that it flew unnoticed?
    2. "who produced these drones" - to manufacture equipment and operate it, these are two big differences.
    3. "Ukrainian aircraft manufacturers were at their best" - aircraft manufacturers launched rockets ??? See item 2.
    4. "Strizh" in general turned out to be a very inconspicuous object. - Swift is a very noticeable object.
    5. “then why didn’t the confidants of our special services trace the manipulations with rather big Swifts near the front line?” - As??? Strizh's departure to the position and its launch is a matter of several minutes, a maximum of half an hour.
    6. “There is a lack of layered defense of airfields” - does the author understand what he is writing about? If you start creating a layered air defense harrow of airfields, then the country will go bankrupt very quickly.
    7. “There are fewer questions about air defense” - this is because the author does not know what air defense is. The RTV worked out more or less well, the ZRV worked for a C mark - the target was shot down, but its fragments fell on the territory of the airfield. But fighter aviation, in its almost complete absence, did not show itself at all. Air defense fighter aviation is a very sore subject for the current Russian army.
    8. “A similar situation with electronic warfare systems” - what do these have to do with it?
    9. “Caponiers will be built and developed in a couple of years, and they will cost not much cheaper than arranging a new air base somewhere beyond the Urals” - there is no need to develop caponiers, even for such a giant as the Tu-95, a caponier can be poured in a few days, the question is only in dump trucks, excavators and bulldozers, and it will cost a penny against the background of the cost of the aircraft itself.
    10. "it's hard to even imagine the logistical problems of the flight and technical staff" - what kind of "logistic" problems can the flight and technical staff have? Why write nonsense?
    1. agond
      agond 17 December 2022 16: 45
      +1
      As a non-specialist, it’s not at all funny to me that in the photo the planes are almost touching their wings, questions arise about the professional suitability of specialists who arrange military equipment in a dense manner, and such photos concern not only aircraft
      1. UAZ 452
        UAZ 452 17 December 2022 20: 18
        +2
        Parade-ostentatious thinking, a craving for eyewash has eaten into the subcortex of the leadership of the RF Armed Forces at all levels. For many, even a threat to their position and life itself (especially since the lives of their subordinates are most often in danger, and not their own) is not able to change the paradigm of thinking, to remember that the army exists for war, and not for beautiful photo reports and naked show.
    2. spektr9
      spektr9 17 December 2022 21: 18
      +1
      where is the information that he flew unnoticed?

      Those. was he deliberately brought to the airfield and allowed to crash down on a strategic facility of the nuclear triad, and damage one or more nuclear weapons carriers (which, moreover, are no longer produced in the Russian Federation, i.e., they have enormous value)?
      Strizh is a very noticeable object.

      No one argues, in fact, according to the EPR, this is an ordinary cruise missile
      Does the author understand what he is writing about? If you start creating a layered air defense harrow of airfields, then the country will go bankrupt very quickly

      You understand what you are writing, in the event of a NATO attack, not an ancient swift will be fired at these airfields, but a couple of dozen of the latest cruise missiles. In the current state of air defense, strategic airfields will simply be wiped off the face of the earth, along with strategists ... That is. the air part of the nuclear triad will be destroyed on the ground. Now you have proposed shredding the nuclear shield of the motherland for the sake of economy, is that normal?
      1. Sergey Valov
        Sergey Valov 18 December 2022 09: 56
        -2
        "Those. he was deliberately brought to the airfield ”- it’s a pity that you didn’t think of other options.
        "wiped off the face of the earth, along with strategists" - this is an extremely unlikely option. Most likely, the strategists will either be dispersed or go to the adversary. They won't be on earth.
        “Now you have proposed, for the sake of economy, to shred the nuclear shield of the motherland, it’s normal” - instead of reasoning with slogans, it’s better to just think about this problem. If you are not an expert in this matter, then leave the solution of this problem to professionals. And do not attribute to me what I did not say.
        1. spektr9
          spektr9 18 December 2022 15: 40
          +1
          Most likely, the strategists will either be dispersed or go to the adversary. They won't be on earth.

          Of course now they are, but then they won't be, cheers, cheers ...
          If you are not an expert in this matter, then leave the solution of this problem to professionals.

          You cheers-propagondons? You have already decided, as a result, airfields are burning
  27. Emperor Russia
    Emperor Russia 17 December 2022 14: 00
    +2
    I wonder what prevented for many decades from building at least simple hangars at airfields? For the sake of interest, I examined the US Air Force bases, most of the planes are hidden, but in our country everything is thrown out right under the snow, rain, hail, sun, sand, etc. It’s not even necessary to dig caponiers and build monumental shelters, it becomes much more difficult to keep track of what’s worth in the simplest indoor hangar from a satellite, to save equipment from weather precipitation and, as a result of increased wear and tear, corrosion, and as a result of disasters, it’s elementary, but our campaign I don't give a damn about this, whether it's technology, security or people. Instead of hangars and shelters, let's build a couple more Patriot parks and temples. Of course, they are more important than some kind of airplanes and helicopters, but in our country they are produced by the thousands a year.
  28. Russian Patriot
    Russian Patriot 18 December 2022 10: 37
    0
    You can take ships with good air defense systems to land.
    This is a joke, of course.
  29. BUMER
    BUMER 18 December 2022 10: 42
    0
    Initiative is when all the front and rear are under your control and you are able to strike anywhere at any moment. Therefore, it is sheer nonsense to assume that the initiative is in the hands of Kyiv!
    Kyiv's initiative ended when they ran into defensive lines beyond the Dnieper. And an attempt to strike at airfields is a provocation, for Kyiv a pathetic attempt to assert itself.
    1. agond
      agond 19 December 2022 17: 49
      0
      Quote: Imperor Russia
      I wonder what prevented for many decades from building at least simple hangars at airfields?

      Too big hangars are needed for the Tu-95, but of course hangars need to be built
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  31. Andrey A
    Andrey A 21 December 2022 18: 24
    0
    Why not try covering the planes with body armor cloth? - Simply place two tents made of special fabric above each one: one higher and larger, the other under it ... From small drones with a small supply of explosives, this is protection. It is quite possible that exactly these will be launched from neighboring towns, as is the case in Sevastopol, for example. Air defense should protect against large drones and cruise missiles ... If you don’t have enough of your fabric, you can buy it in the same China, for example ....
  32. Chack wessel
    Chack wessel 23 December 2022 07: 21
    0
    All the same, these bombers are of no use ...