Military Review

4 November - Day of National Unity

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Exactly 400 years ago, with the expulsion of Polish interventionists from Moscow, Russia established itself as a great power, proving to the whole world that the main creative force driving it is its people, led by Christ’s Faith and unbeathed sacrificial patriotism.



The feat of Minin and Pozharsky is the first brilliant example of serving the Fatherland, not by someone's orders, but by the call of the heart, by duty of conscience, and by God's commandments. Then, four centuries ago, our people proved their belligerent neighbors and themselves that they were capable of overcoming internal contradictions and differences, gathering their courage and raising the banner of the Faith ’s faith, to decide their own destiny, without the intervention of external forces.

Today's holiday is not just an extra day off. Today, remembering the people's feat of 1612, we are especially deeply thinking about the future of Russia. If you believe in numerical symbolism, then you need to hope that the anniversary 2012 year - the year of the four hundred years of overcoming the Great Troubles - will become for Russia the next reporting point, the reporting point of its great gathering.

National Unity Day is a young and not yet completely understandable holiday for the people. It seems that the heated debates about the meaning of this truly great holiday are caused not so much by its novelty and “incomprehensibility” as by the fact that its comprehension requires a lot of spiritual and intellectual efforts from each of us, but for some - a real reassessment of values. -this sincere awareness of the true role in stories the centuries-old foundations of our statehood: the Orthodox Faith, a very special civil sacrifice, based on the same Christian morality, the readiness to put your stomach on friends and Fatherland.

Speaking about the leading role of Orthodoxy in achieving genuine national unity, one cannot fail to note the invaluable contribution to the consolidation of the spiritual foundations of our statehood made by other traditional religions. In the most difficult years of testing, people of different religions did not simply extend a helping hand to each other, but also shed blood for each other, fighting for our common homeland, together resisting the forces of evil.

Today, hoping for a better future for our children, we are confident that they will get a country where there will be no division into “our own” and “alien”, “red” and “white”; a country united by a desire for common good and harmony; a country to which its natural civilization benchmarks will be finally returned.

Long live our common glorious Motherland, beloved Fatherland, Great United and Indivisible RUSSIA!

Happy Holidays, Dear Compatriots! Glory to Russia!
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  1. Septugian
    Septugian 4 November 2012 08: 14
    +18
    I sincerely congratulate everyone on the holiday! It would be great if we had more than one day of the year a day of unity, but always that it would be what I wish for! And yet, we are different in opinions, beliefs, BUT, we have a common home Russia and we are all one big family, arguing, cursing, quarreling, fighting, but still we are one nation! Once again, dear compatriots on the occasion!
    1. Mishael
      Mishael 4 November 2012 08: 20
      +7
      Nothing to add. I am joining!
      1. Frogfoot 255
        Frogfoot 255 4 November 2012 08: 42
        +16
        Sevastopol, joined. Happy holiday!
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 4 November 2012 09: 03
          +17
          For Sevastopol from Moscow. soldier
          1. Frogfoot 255
            Frogfoot 255 4 November 2012 09: 24
            +7
            Alex 241. Thank you. We are such, at least a couple more) smile
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 4 November 2012 09: 29
              +8
              All that is rich in Sasha ..........
              1. Frogfoot 255
                Frogfoot 255 4 November 2012 09: 51
                +5
                Now, this is a gift, so a gift. good It would be so long ago. smile
                1. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 4 November 2012 09: 53
                  +5
                  Contact if that soldier
              2. VAF
                VAF 4 November 2012 11: 03
                +15
                Quote: Alex 241
                All that is rich


                Hi Sanya, happy holiday drinks and all members of the forum as well fellow

                Well, about "everything that is rich" ...... there is still something we have and I hope all the same ... will be !!! fellow

                Here is fresh ....... the first "shipbuilder" in the final assembly shop for US !!! good

                1. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 4 November 2012 11: 06
                  +4
                  Hi Seryog, happy holiday, well, let's drink it today !!!!!!!!!!!
                  1. VAF
                    VAF 4 November 2012 11: 11
                    +10
                    Quote: Alex 241
                    Well, for this today and drink


                    Rather, we continue yesterday’s .....: drinks Have you at least a flight plan and a flight in time: lol

                    By the way, Vityaz also received the same renovated UB-ku good

                    yesterday's flyby

                    1. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 4 November 2012 11: 13
                      +5
                      Earrings managed, on a shaver, after gatherings drinks well the girls drank coffee, otherwise the inserts would spin laughingWhen he looked in the mirror, even it said: Mom dear.
                      1. VAF
                        VAF 4 November 2012 11: 19
                        +7
                        [quote = alex 241] at low level, after gatherings [/ quote

                        Well, it’s nice, actually, I didn’t doubt it, because the skill is "you will not spend on drink" and "one hundred grams does not affect the calculation" drinks wink : soldier

                        By the way, here is my "love", but already in the M2M version with Hephaestus. The same ...

                      2. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 4 November 2012 11: 21
                        +2
                        Beauty Serezha 5+ soldier
                      3. VAF
                        VAF 4 November 2012 11: 29
                        +10
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        Beauty Serezha 5+


                        By the way, returning from a business trip, I dropped into Diaghilevo ... I had to see it myself. what did they do with the Tu-22M3 with Hephaestus (the journalists have already "christened" him in the whole M3M, although he has nothing to do with this at all, well, you yourself know ... if only .... blurt out!)





                      4. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 4 November 2012 11: 35
                        +4
                        Earrings on the MBD bomb flew to use?
                      5. VAF
                        VAF 4 November 2012 12: 15
                        +6
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        flew to the application?


                        With everything you can ... and belly and from the wing and ... "hedgehogs"

                        Here's a cool photo .... from the "tower"!

                      6. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 4 November 2012 12: 18
                        +6
                        Autumn mood, that's how I swam yesterday, but the photo is cool.
                      7. VAF
                        VAF 4 November 2012 12: 24
                        +9
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        Autumn mood


                        Standard "square-nested" autumn weather ..... it's time to "mumble a difficult"! fellow

                      8. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 4 November 2012 12: 28
                        +5
                        This does not scare us drinks
                      9. VAF
                        VAF 4 November 2012 12: 49
                        +8
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        This does not scare us


                        Once he himself had 60X800, with the "final" 100X1000, well, and it happened at full 0s, while you yourself know that we have an OSB with RSP, well, Cathet, and if the SP-50 or ILS, so in general. ..for happiness fellow wink




                        Well, "show" .... it is always .. for the people and so that would be before "squeak. Squeal and .. squatting" wink

                      10. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 4 November 2012 12: 57
                        +4
                        Hold Seryozha, for the mood laughing
                      11. VAF
                        VAF 4 November 2012 13: 08
                        +7
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        for the mood


                        Sanya, you say the same thing to cheer you up laughing

                      12. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 4 November 2012 13: 11
                        +2
                        Goat and seven kids as my commander said good
                      13. Botanologist
                        Botanologist 4 November 2012 22: 38
                        +2
                        + + +
                        When I first saw the Tu-22 just fucked up. He stood and stupidly smiled.
                        Such a machine in good hands is power.
                        They sometimes fly over my house. I look and I am proud that I live in this country / where people not only dream about bucks, but also about the sky.
                        And, as you know, the most beautiful sky is from the cockpit of a strategic bomber. yes
                      14. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 4 November 2012 11: 29
                        +5
                        I found it, a little truth.
                      15. VAF
                        VAF 4 November 2012 11: 52
                        +6
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        little truth.


                        Hold ... big drinks







                        Well, how without .... a successor !!!! : fellow

                      16. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 4 November 2012 11: 58
                        +5
                        Class Seryozha, here’s a bosyak soldier
                      17. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 4 November 2012 12: 04
                        +2
                        And here's another. soldier Everything is familiar to you here
                      18. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 4 November 2012 12: 16
                        +2
                        Here's another...............................
                      19. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 4 November 2012 12: 16
                        +1
                        .................................................. ...............
                      20. Frogfoot 255
                        Frogfoot 255 4 November 2012 12: 23
                        +3
                        Alex, thanks for the "rook". Nice photo good
                      21. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 4 November 2012 12: 24
                        +1
                        Sasha, there’s nothing, I sincerely, we already have a whole gallery here.
                      22. VAF
                        VAF 4 November 2012 13: 19
                        +7
                        Quote: Frogfoot 255
                        thanks for the "rook".


                        Alexander, "hold", so to speak ... to the heap drinks









                      23. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 4 November 2012 13: 25
                        +2
                        Here is the terminal
                      24. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 4 November 2012 13: 27
                        +2
                        Here is Tushka Protonovskaya, by the way, the Yak on which the Yaroslavlites also crashed.
                      25. VAF
                        VAF 4 November 2012 13: 48
                        +3
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        Here is the terminal


                        You have a good "economy"! good
                      26. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 4 November 2012 13: 50
                        +2
                        Kolkhoz Seryozha drinks even An12 stood at one time.
                      27. Frogfoot 255
                        Frogfoot 255 4 November 2012 13: 37
                        +3
                        Seryozha, thank you. Is there spring in the street? smile well then for spring drinks
                      28. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 4 November 2012 13: 40
                        +3
                        Sasha, we’ll winter somehow, it’s not the first tea drinks
                      29. VAF
                        VAF 4 November 2012 13: 56
                        +3
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        winter as you like, tea is not in the first


                        well .. good luck to you, and if we have, it will be around the end of January, and so .. "square weather" -15 m / s wind and 15 grams of frost ... as you walk naked and the sand on your teeth creaks ! lol
                      30. Frogfoot 255
                        Frogfoot 255 4 November 2012 13: 59
                        +3
                        Alex Of course, we will winter, and in winter there is something to bite fellow
                      31. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 4 November 2012 14: 00
                        +2
                        Yes, and scoop up the honey drinks
                      32. VAF
                        VAF 4 November 2012 13: 54
                        +3
                        Quote: Frogfoot 255
                        Is there spring in the street?


                        Sasha, we are closer to summer, + 20, and by the 8th they generally promise up to 25. in general, now I'm already "going out to the barbecue ... it's time to start and cook a snack, otherwise that's all ... I'm sniffing at the computer and .. mom is already grumbled, guests will come soon, and we have the whole process ... preliminary, but for a long time it's time .... to "run".

                        And sons have complete winter!

                        In the evening it was still in the center of the photo. and in the morning ..... hello, we arrived and, as always ..... winter came unexpectedly drinks

                      33. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 4 November 2012 13: 57
                        +2
                        I understand you, the connection is over, happy flight soldier Have a good rest Seryozha drinks
                      34. VAF
                        VAF 4 November 2012 14: 12
                        +6
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        I understand you, the connection is over, happy flight


                        Happily, I have a connection in the direction drinks And then mom for sure ... she’ll put on a streamlined head lol

                      35. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 4 November 2012 14: 16
                        +3
                        You can’t offend mom drinksmom is holy.
                      36. Frogfoot 255
                        Frogfoot 255 4 November 2012 14: 04
                        +3
                        Seryozha, I know everything, I myself am from Siberia. I'm not at all southern smile
                      37. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 4 November 2012 14: 07
                        +2
                        Sasha, yes we are all whom fate brought to.
                      38. VAF
                        VAF 4 November 2012 12: 29
                        +5
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        Everything is familiar to you here


                        Yes .. on our territory of the former Soviet Union .... there are no places ... the wheels of the concrete did not touch, and sometimes ... "pieces of iron"!

                        This is now the guys from 23 VA live in Chelyab, and earlier .... Curved Lake-Jida-Boda-Steppe crying Well, and Bite, what would he ... not a bottom .. no tires .... belay



                      39. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 4 November 2012 12: 31
                        +3
                        Cool color Serezha. Yes, we have many interesting places that are better to look at on the map, as in that joke: Jump, otherwise they will start jumping ..............
                      40. VAF
                        VAF 4 November 2012 13: 04
                        +4
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        Yes, we have many interesting places that are better to look at on the map,


                        Well, you know, as it was before .. Rodina said it was necessary, the officer replied soldier

                        Here is last year’s on the Military Veda .... preparations for Air Force Day drinks

                      41. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 4 November 2012 13: 16
                        +4
                        Better to answer, not to eat, but to drink drinks

                        Seryozha Tushka was examined, they are at our terminal ENERGY, they are flying at launches.
                      42. VAF
                        VAF 4 November 2012 13: 39
                        +7
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        Better to answer, not to eat, but to drink


                        Well this is, as usual drinks

                        Cool photo of Rook good

                        And so to speak ... practical. august .....





                      43. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 4 November 2012 13: 46
                        +6
                        this is for you Seryozha and for Alexander

                        Rook really ........... can be threaded into the eye of the needle, he added to the collection, thanks Seryoz. drinks soldier
                      44. Frogfoot 255
                        Frogfoot 255 4 November 2012 14: 23
                        +2
                        Alex., Like a balm for the soul good
                      45. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 4 November 2012 14: 25
                        +3
                        A bit of humor ................................

                        ...................................................................
                      46. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 4 November 2012 14: 26
                        +1
                        ............................................. Download this on your computer, and increase.
                      47. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 4 November 2012 14: 26
                        +3
                        .................................................. .........
                      48. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 4 November 2012 14: 27
                        +2
                        This is generally a masterpiece laughing
                      49. v53993
                        v53993 5 November 2012 12: 58
                        +1
                        It is very symbolic, if you remember about our "Sharks"
                      50. dimanf
                        dimanf 5 November 2012 00: 41
                        +2


                        SONG OF DECK PILOTS.
                      51. v53993
                        v53993 5 November 2012 12: 56
                        +1
                        Rooks always return to their native stubble.
                      52. Frogfoot 255
                        Frogfoot 255 4 November 2012 14: 09
                        +2
                        Seryozha, thanks again. good
                      53. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 4 November 2012 14: 19
                        +1
                        Here's another rook Sash.
                      54. dimanf
                        dimanf 5 November 2012 00: 47
                        +2


                        Tu-160 White Swan and Alice - Sky of the Slavs
                      55. studentmati
                        studentmati 5 November 2012 01: 00
                        0
                        And who is arguing?
                      56. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 4 November 2012 13: 36
                        +2
                        ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
                        ,,,,
                      57. dimanf
                        dimanf 5 November 2012 00: 46
                        0
                        Tu-160 White Swan and Alice - Sky of the Slavs
                        [media = http: // http: //www.youtube.com/watch? v = fEF-Z-ACmUo & feature = related]
                      58. VAF
                        VAF 4 November 2012 12: 17
                        +4
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        there you go


                        Keep it "in return"! lol

                      59. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 4 November 2012 12: 20
                        +3
                        I’ll show about Earrings to my figures, let turnips scratch laughing
                      60. v53993
                        v53993 5 November 2012 13: 23
                        +1
                        I haven’t seen this yet. Strong.
                  2. Karish
                    Karish 4 November 2012 18: 03
                    +3
                    Quote: Alex 241
                    Hi Seryog, happy holiday, well, let's drink it today !!!!!!!!!!!

                    And I will join, Happy Holiday !!!!!!!!!!!
                    1. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 4 November 2012 18: 05
                      0
                      Be healthy Sash, Happy Holiday once again drinks soldier
                2. Frogfoot 255
                  Frogfoot 255 4 November 2012 11: 11
                  +1
                  Well, guys, thank you. We filled up the presents, now we ....... smile
                3. Frogfoot 255
                  Frogfoot 255 4 November 2012 11: 18
                  +3
                  Well, men, thank you. We have filled up gifts, now we ..... smile
              3. Kaa
                Kaa 4 November 2012 15: 59
                +4
                Quote: Alex 241
                All that is rich

                And the soul asks for more, more and earlier ...
                1. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 4 November 2012 16: 01
                  +4
                  Dear KAA, YOU, as always, are right, without a strong fleet, there is no strong power.
                  1. Kaa
                    Kaa 4 November 2012 16: 07
                    +2
                    Quote: Alex 241
                    without a strong fleet, there is no strong power.

                    And vice versa, without a strong power there is no strong fleet ... There is no strong power without a strong government ... a strong government - without a strong people ... what do we have in total ... for us, beloved ones! drinks
                    1. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 4 November 2012 16: 14
                      +5
                      He sharpened the ax to the bell, punched a quarter of moonshine, and said that he would lead the enemy even by the horns .............. drinks and my friend for you. Be healthy.
                      1. Chicot 1
                        Chicot 1 4 November 2012 17: 32
                        +3
                        Happy holiday to all! .. drinks smile
                        I will add a respected and honored "Crocodile" to the general row. Mi-24P in the UN "uniform" ...
                      2. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 4 November 2012 17: 39
                        +3
                        Vasily, a good topic, according to tradition I answer drinks
                      3. Chicot 1
                        Chicot 1 4 November 2012 18: 32
                        +4
                        And according to tradition, I will answer with air art ...
                        The Su-15 is knocked down by the Korean Boeing (no figs to meddle in where they are not asking !!!) ... The work of our famous master Andrey Zhirnov ...
                      4. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 4 November 2012 18: 37
                        +4
                        I think the most beautiful plane
                      5. FID
                        FID 4 November 2012 19: 02
                        +10
                        Happy holiday! I didn’t fly, but I’ll show you the workplace now .... This is the so-called glass cabin An-148/158/178. Sasha, you brought a photo of Bombardier or Falcon, look at our ... Photo is clickable.
                      6. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 4 November 2012 19: 03
                        +2
                        Serezha, well, it's just a class !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I even smelled good
                      7. FID
                        FID 4 November 2012 19: 10
                        +6
                        We made the same cabin for both the Il-476 and Tu-22M (but they won’t probably be modifying it) and for the Tu-204CM (on ordinary carcasses it’s a bit older, there are 6 displays, not 5, on the 96th glass cabin).
                      8. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 4 November 2012 19: 12
                        0
                        Seryozha, well done, you are just great, it's a pity there will be no improvements for the bomber. Oh.
                      9. FID
                        FID 4 November 2012 19: 22
                        +7
                        In the Cuban IL-96-300 onboard CU-1254.
                      10. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 4 November 2012 19: 24
                        +1
                        Well, just the ship commander Serezha good
                      11. FID
                        FID 4 November 2012 19: 32
                        +4
                        Yes, in general, then, probably I can. I've spent so much time in the seats (in principle, I don't write "cups", I'm not a pilot), and the control systems are reliable (I make and repair myself), I probably could, but the planes are inert in the air. The steering wheel has already returned, and the car is still in the roll, horror ...
                      12. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 4 November 2012 19: 42
                        +2
                        I’m sure you can, I have a friend, the kingdom of heaven to him, the flight engineer of the Glavkomovskaya TUSHKA was flying better than the commander of the ship, and better guided by the navigator. Well, inertia, you need this for a fighter, I can contribute.
                      13. FID
                        FID 4 November 2012 20: 00
                        +5
                        I like those here. Small fighters ....
                      14. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 4 November 2012 20: 08
                        +2
                        I saw in my granddaughter, loaves were generally talismans, I saw one 86 atlant, the union at the wall is in my opinion prepared for a cut. And this 96 is handsome.

                        Isn't he a handsome Seryoz?
                      15. FID
                        FID 4 November 2012 20: 14
                        +7
                        Handsome, no words. And here is my love. Everything went through my hands, even cut in Priluki ..... (Clickable, yes I have almost everyone clickable).
                      16. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 4 November 2012 20: 15
                        +1
                        This is a machine, one word-SWAN. I saw how power takes off. soldier
                      17. FID
                        FID 4 November 2012 20: 16
                        +4
                        Quieter takes off 22nd, much quieter! But power !!!! Well, bye, went to dinner and ......
                      18. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 4 November 2012 20: 19
                        0
                        Seryozha didn’t watch them, 22 was sitting down, it was something. Remember, I wrote to you about the toilets back then. Nice Seryozha.
                      19. v53993
                        v53993 5 November 2012 13: 27
                        0
                        No comments. There are no such words, only thoughts.
                      20. FID
                        FID 4 November 2012 19: 17
                        +5
                        This is the cabin of IL-96-300
                      21. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 4 November 2012 19: 20
                        +1
                        good + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
                      22. FID
                        FID 4 November 2012 19: 20
                        +4
                        With Cuban spices in Havana.
                      23. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 4 November 2012 19: 22
                        +1
                        Serezopodilsya Serezha, was sitting close to the nozzle? laughing
                      24. FID
                        FID 4 November 2012 19: 25
                        +5
                        Soak up here, sitting in the nozzle itself. No, my work is clean, with alcohol.
                      25. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 4 November 2012 19: 33
                        +1
                        Well, Serezha, the thing is: when leaving the airfield, do not forget what for home.

                        Well, this is our main car Seryozha
                      26. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 4 November 2012 19: 35
                        +1
                        The cabin is basically close to what you sent.
                      27. FID
                        FID 4 November 2012 19: 39
                        +4
                        Well, there’s no alcohol in the civilian fleet. And when he worked on long-range and strategists - yes there, another thing. Tu-22 / 22M2 / 22M3 / 22M4 (there were some, they were low-altitude implemented), Tu-160 of both series, Tu-95 and Tu-142 I know firsthand. He worked with his hands, and sometimes he had to head. Yes, there were times ...
                      28. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 4 November 2012 19: 45
                        +1
                        Well, we were just called a flying deli drinks
                      29. v53993
                        v53993 5 November 2012 13: 30
                        0
                        But how do you deal with icing?
                      30. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 5 November 2012 13: 33
                        0
                        Volodya before departure is doused with a special liquid.
                      31. FID
                        FID 4 November 2012 19: 45
                        +3
                        Challenger 600? A / c Rusline?
                      32. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 4 November 2012 19: 46
                        +1
                        5th Golf Serge.
                      33. FID
                        FID 4 November 2012 19: 51
                        +3
                        Workhorse.
                      34. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 4 November 2012 19: 55
                        +1
                        How is she Seryozha? In the press, information is contradictory. I had to fly from Peter on this bee, in the end I flew on a "watermelon"
                      35. FID
                        FID 4 November 2012 20: 07
                        +4
                        Excellent, flew home from St. Petersburg. The "Russians" do not complain, they are already flying 320-350 hours a month. Childhood diseases at the end of the year before last were cured. Cubans will take 6 "long" 148 (2 already at the end of this year). Venezuela ordered a dozen. It's a pity Poghosyan is destroying the car ..
                      36. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 4 November 2012 20: 10
                        0
                        Therefore, they are promoting it like that. Everything is clear, thanks Seryozha.
                      37. Frogfoot 255
                        Frogfoot 255 5 November 2012 06: 31
                        0
                        Uv.Sergey. I would like to know the opinion of a specialist about the 140th. The guys say that the car is good, only "raw" We like it. Perhaps it will replace the 24th and 26th, but they are produced piece by piece. ((((
                      38. GG2012
                        GG2012 4 November 2012 20: 34
                        +4
                        Quote: Chicot 1
                        I will add a respected and honored "Crocodile" to the general row. Mi-24P

                        Add on my own!
                      39. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 4 November 2012 20: 37
                        +2
                        They used to say: A big screw shakes rubles, a little penny good
                2. Frogfoot 255
                  Frogfoot 255 5 November 2012 06: 13
                  0
                  Kaa. A great project good Only "Sagaidachny" will be brought to mind, "Zaporozhye" will be put into operation, we will finish building the laid corvette and two "Gyurzes", and then ... we will definitely build it. smile I hope you understand me?)
          2. Sergh
            Sergh 4 November 2012 09: 25
            +3
            Wow, it’s a holiday today. But in the morning I think whom to congratulate. Happy holiday to all!
            1. Armata
              Armata 4 November 2012 14: 16
              +3
              Welcome all. If my memory serves me right then this is the day when Susanin led an army of psheks on a tour of the Smolensk forests. laughing And so with the holiday of all.
              1. d.gksueyjd
                d.gksueyjd 4 November 2012 17: 19
                0
                Oh, Susanin needs now to gather the current "elite" of Russia and take him on an irrevocable excursion through the Smolensk forests - that's when it was possible to get together!
    2. Alexander Petrovich
      Alexander Petrovich 4 November 2012 15: 49
      +5
      Congratulations to all compatriots, Chisinau also joins!
    3. Beck
      Beck 5 November 2012 10: 47
      +2
      WITH THE HOLIDAY OF ALL RUSSIANS.
  2. bask
    bask 4 November 2012 08: 23
    +14
    All with a holiday., Unity-unity in Russia in the 21st century is not important than in 17 ((during the Polish invasion.)) WHEN WE ARE ONE, WE ARE NOT VICTORY !!! And most importantly, the holiday ICON OF GOD'S MOTHER OF KAZAN, RUSSIAN INTERESTER OF RUSSIA !!!
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 4 November 2012 09: 18
      +5
      !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!
  3. YARY
    YARY 4 November 2012 08: 23
    0
    Judging by the fact that my comments have already been deleted twice, the one who wrote does not burn with this holiday.
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 4 November 2012 08: 29
      +9
      Andrew, hello, do not worry about this, on the occasion of the holiday of you and all of us. soldier
  4. Brother Sarych
    Brother Sarych 4 November 2012 08: 41
    -1
    A fictitious holiday, in spite of November 7 ...
    1. lotus04
      lotus04 4 November 2012 08: 55
      +22
      Quote: Brother Sarich
      A fictitious holiday, in spite of November 7 ...


      Unlike November 7, this is a holiday! In any case, on this day, many years ago, we kicked the ass and united one oversized state. This state still cannot forget that "offense" and grinds its teeth and splashes saliva. In any international issue, it argues against us.

      And those who want to erase the history of the Russian state say about the far-fetched nature of the holiday.

      HAPPY DEAR FRIENDS!
      1. Septugian
        Septugian 4 November 2012 09: 51
        +11
        Yes, nothing will come of them! They will not be erased from the people's memory!
      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 4 November 2012 09: 57
        +5
        the holiday is really far-fetched as well as the interpretation of those events

        Quote: lotus04
        And those who want to erase the history of the Russian state say about the far-fetched nature of the holiday.

        study history not from leftist films a la 1612 if you are not aware then after the expulsion of those very "interventionists" from Moscow their party somehow, together with their candidate, participated in the election of a new tsar, you don't think this is strange
        1. lotus04
          lotus04 4 November 2012 10: 06
          +3
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          study history not from left-handed films a la 1612


          And where did you get the idea that I studied history from films ?! You need this for the Pepsi generation. I have no words! Good luck.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 4 November 2012 11: 54
            +1
            Quote: lotus04
            And where did you get

            from this
            Quote: lotus04
            many years ago, to one presumptuous state, we kicked our ass and united.
            1. lotus04
              lotus04 4 November 2012 17: 55
              0
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              from this


              I would advise you to take a history textbook for grade 7 and read at your leisure. Or do you think that the 17th century was yesterday, and not many years ago, and the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth kissed us in the ass.
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 4 November 2012 22: 06
                +2
                and I, in turn, would advise you to read something more serious than a history textbook for grade 7
        2. vezunchik
          vezunchik 4 November 2012 12: 05
          +7
          There is nothing strange in Russia. Chubais Kudrin Nemtsov Ryzhkov out there that they did ... and again they climb to power and nobody touches them. Taburetkin put more than one billion in his pocket, though it’s not clear whose - and nothing ... But Udaltsov is responsible for the bazaar
      3. sergo0000
        sergo0000 4 November 2012 10: 58
        +7
        Well, blaming Poland alone would not be entirely true. If to be fair, then you need to talk about the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. And at that time it united both the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and almost the whole of Western Ukraine. And this is known to all Russian people! There was a war between by the princes of the Western principalities of Russia with the principality of Moscow. And there is a version that False Dmitry was not FALSE.
        Our today's story is such a muddy thing that God forbid. !!!
        And to blame Lithuania for having united with Poland against the German Order at that time would be at least biased, since at the same time Muscovy was united with Tatars and Swedes against the same Slavic western and eastern tribes.
        I still haven’t figured it out yet and I’m unlikely to find the truth and the truth, but one thing I know for sure is the unification of the Slavs is inevitable, for my own safety! No matter how many centuries they try to quarrel us! As a future unification and reconciliation of the Slavic peoples, I and I accept this holiday as an advance.
        With what I cordially congratulate you, our friends and neighbors!
        1. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 4 November 2012 12: 12
          +3
          Quote: sergo0000
          I haven’t fully figured out this issue yet and I’m unlikely to find the truth and the truth

          Yes, a difficult time was where the truth is difficult to understand, in the Battle of Grunwald the Novgorod, Smolensk principality also participated, up to 5 thousand Tatars.
          On my own behalf, I want to congratulate the fraternal Russian people on the occasion of National Unity and wish you rapid development and prosperity of your country!
      4. v53993
        v53993 5 November 2012 13: 33
        0
        Happy Holiday. Next in turn is the next presumptuous state. So one holiday will be more.
      5. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 5 November 2012 22: 19
        +2
        Quote: lotus04

        Unlike November 7, this is a holiday


        In fact, someone like that. November 4, China Town was taken. And when is the Kremlin? November 7th. So think about why November 4th. That's it in order to erase uncomfortable pages of history. Who needs? Guess. Strange is the holiday of unity.
    2. Alex 241
      Alex 241 4 November 2012 09: 08
      +3
      Guys, don’t minus, Brother wanted to say something completely different, Kostya wrote everything correctly below, you won’t get into the same water twice .................
    3. 53-Sciborskiy
      53-Sciborskiy 4 November 2012 10: 33
      +12
      Quote: Brother Sarich
      A fictitious holiday, in spite of November 7 ...
      400 years ago, Russia could disappear as a state. Thanks to such patriots, for whom the concept of honor and homeland is not an empty phrase, to Minin and Pozharsky, and not to the venal boyars of that time, Russia has not only expelled the Poles, but has become the Great State to be reckoned with and which they are still trying to completely destroy and destroy. Now for more such Minin and Pozharsky !!!
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 4 November 2012 11: 19
        +14
        Quote: 53-Sciborskiy
        Russia could disappear as a state. Thanks to such patriots, for whom the concept of honor and homeland is not an empty phrase, to Minin and Pozharsky, and not to the venal boyars of that time, Russia has not only expelled the Poles, but has become the Great State to be reckoned with and which they are still trying to completely destroy and destroy. Now for more such Minin and Pozharsky !!!


        Do not forget the holy martyr of the Orthodox patriarch Germogen.
        Great is the national significance of St. Hermogenes, a tireless fighter for the purity of Orthodoxy and the unity of the Russian land. For several centuries, his ecclesiastical and patriotic activity has served the Russian man as a vivid example of ardent faith and love for his people.
        In 1913, the Russian Orthodox Church glorified Patriarch Germogen as a saint. His memory takes place on May 12/25 and February 17 / March 1.

        On the occasion of the victory of the Russian people over foreign invaders and traitors, the Orthodox faith over Catholicism and Uniatism!

        1. GG2012
          GG2012 4 November 2012 14: 17
          +1
          Part 1:
          Congratulations to all on a bitter holiday!
          I am sure that Ukraine and Belarus will soon unite with their older sister Russia!
          But I propose to do this without the participation of sectarians, religious fanatics and just religious scammers!

          Part 2:
          Quote: Ascetic
          Do not forget the holy martyr of the Orthodox patriarch Germogen.

          Germogen ???
          This is the Germogen who, for the promise of the Polish interventionists to preserve the patriarchal order, on August 27 (September 6), 1610, blessed the 15-year-old Vladislav Sigismundovich (the eldest son of Sigismund III, the King of Poland and the Grand Duke of Lithuania) to occupy the Russian throne ???

          This is that Hermogenes, one of the drafters of the treaty dated February 04, 1610. between the "Seven Boyars" in the person of the Moscow embassy and the King of Poland Sigismund, who was imprisoned near Smolensk ??? !!!

          When it became clear that the Poles "stupidly threw" Hermogenes and the "Seven Boyars", and began to stupidly plunder the boyars and monasteries, Catholic priests climbed into the country, so Hermogenes began to "quickly" scribble letters and support popular unrest against the Poles !!!

          Oh well!!! The main thing for this "saint" was power at any cost and stay in the patriarchal chair

          By the way, at the expense of Orthodoxy: The following is laid out adapted to the modern language, the text of the contract dated 04.02.1610 and everywhere it speaks of the Greek Church and the Greek faith !!!!
          And not a word about Orthodoxy !!!
          Why is that so?
          The answer is discouraging with its "raw truthfulness": "For centuries our dense population has been able to hang noodles on their ears with tales of primordial Orthodoxy, and call the Jew Christ - our Lord God. But this will not work for the Poles, they’ll just make fun of it. Therefore, you have to tell the truth: “Faith is ... not Orthodox, but Greek!”
          1. GG2012
            GG2012 4 November 2012 14: 23
            +2
            Contract from 04 February 1610 of the year
            “To royal Vladislav to be crowned with the royal crown and diadem from the Most Holy Patriarch and the clergy of the Greek Church, as the Russian autocrats were married since ancient times.

            • Vladislav the Tsar to observe and honor the holy temples, healing icons and relics, the patriarch and all the clergy; Do not take away property and income from churches and monasteries; do not intervene in spiritual and holy affairs.
            • There should be no Latin or other confessions in churches and prayer churches in Russia; do not persuade anyone to the Roman, nor to other faiths, and the Jews do not enter the Moscow state for trade.
            • Do not change the ancient customs. Boyars and all officials, military and zemstvo, will, as always, be Russians alone; and Polish and Lithuanian people have no places and no ranks: which of them will remain under the state, the more he can give a salary or estates, without hampering the honor of the Moscow, boyar and princely families, the honor of the new immigrants.
            • Salaries, estates and estates of Russians are inviolable. If some are endowed with dignity, while others are offended, then consult the sovereign with the boyars and do what they put together.
            • The basis of civil justice is Sudebnik, whose necessary correction and addition depends on the sovereign, the Duma of the boyar and zemstvo.
            • Executed state and civil criminals executed only by conviction of the king with the boyars and dumy people; the estate of those executed is inherited by their innocent wives, children and relatives ...
            • Who dies childless, that property should be given to his neighbors or to whom he orders; and in case of bewilderment to solve such matters the sovereign with the boyars.
            • Government revenues remain the same; and the new taxes should not be introduced to the sovereign without the consent of the boyars, and with their consent to give privileges to regions, estates and estates ruined in these times are vague.
            • Farmers do not go either to Lithuania or in Russia from master to master, and all serfs will forever be like that.
            • The great sovereign Sigismund, Poland and Lithuania to affirm peace and love forever with the great sovereign Vladislav and with Russia and stand against each other against each other ...
            • Go to the great Russian ambassadors to the emperor Sigismund and beat with a brow, may sovereign Vladislav be baptized in Greek faith... ".
            1. Brother Sarych
              Brother Sarych 4 November 2012 18: 17
              +1
              Well, Orthodoxy later stood out, though many people are not aware of this ...
          2. Ascetic
            Ascetic 4 November 2012 18: 14
            +7
            Quote: GG2012
            This is the Germogen who, for the promise of the Polish interventionists to preserve the patriarchal order, on August 27 (September 6), 1610, blessed the 15-year-old Vladislav Sigismundovich (the eldest son of Sigismund III, the King of Poland and the Grand Duke of Lithuania) to occupy the Russian throne ???


            "If the prince is baptized and converts to the Orthodox Christian faith, then I bless you. If not baptizedthen it will be because of the whole Muscovite state and the entire Orthodox faith that death and my blessing will not be on you "

            The words of the patriarch, unfortunately, turned out to be prophetic.

            Quote: GG2012
            Oh well!!! The main thing for this "saint" was power at any cost and stay in the patriarchal chair

            On November 30, Germogen was asked to sign a letter to the king in advance. The patriarch not only resolutely refused to sign the certificate, but also forbade the boyars to do so; in addition, he began to threaten the permission of the Russian people from the oath to Prince Vladislav and a call for an open defense of faith and statehood. In a fit of anger, one of the traitors, Mikhailo Saltykov, waved a knife at the patriarch. Germogen was not afraid, but immediately cursed the boyar.
            The boyars nevertheless sent a letter to their ambassadors to Smolensk with an expression of readiness to recognize the will of King Sigismund. Hermogen's signature was absent, and this gave the Russian ambassadors a reason to disobey the instructions of the Moscow traitors.
            The author of the so-called "New story about the glorious Russian kingdom and the great state of Moscow, about the suffering of the new passion-bearer of the most holy Cyrus Hermogenes, patriarch of all Russia", written during the imprisonment of the saint, very well showed the importance the Russian patriots attached to the majestic figure of the patriarch languishing in captivity:
            "O strong and unshakable pillar! O strong wall and took away from God and His Most Pure Mother! O hard diamond, O invincible champion! O steadfast intercessor of faith! O truly false shepherd! .. And we see everything: will not let the word of God be lost on earth and, although he always walks next to death near our common enemies and destroyers, he keeps hope in our Creator and the Mother of God, and in our great miracle workers, our common intercessors and pilgrims. If it happens to him, sir, to die for the word of God, he will not die It should be said publicly and resolutely: if we had not a few such great, stable and unshakable pillars, then in this unfortunate time our holy and blameless faith would never come from those soul-destroying wolves, from obvious enemies, strangers and our own, did not fall, but would have shone even more ... But now one stands confidently and holds everyone, and the enemies are severely threatened ... Only now we have a wall from God and His Most Pure Mother, and it is he, sir, the great saint b and a strong defender. "


            To preserve power and stay on the throne, they usually act differently and do not go to inevitable death for the Idea and Faith.
            1. Ascetic
              Ascetic 4 November 2012 18: 26
              +6
              The Poles besieged in the Kremlin more than once sent ambassadors to the Patriarch demanding that he order the Russian militias to leave the city, threatening him with the death penalty. The saint firmly answered:
              “What are you threatening me with? I'm afraid of one God. If all of you, Lithuanian people, come from the Moscow state, I will bless the Russian militia to go from Moscow, if you stay here, I will bless everyone to stand against you and die for the Orthodox faith. ”


              What would an old man sign a letter there, the militia would withdraw (or fall into confusion at least) And again the Patriarchal Throne and Power instead of painful death, whether from hunger or from asphyxiation.

              Quote: GG2012
              But I propose to do this without the participation of sectarians, religious fanatics and just religious scammers!


              Right now, fraudsters are everywhere in power, but rejecting and spitting on the memory of the true patriots of Russia, we will never unite
              1. GG2012
                GG2012 4 November 2012 20: 24
                +1
                Quote: Ascetic
                Why would an old man sign a letter there,

                Unfortunately, the information that Getmogen was killed through starvation, as well as the fact that Germogen allegedly sent letters to the militia, while being imprisoned in the Miracle Monastery, not historically confirmed.
                Most likely this is another Orthodox hoax!
                I will explain in more detail:
                First: at the time of his imprisonment (in December 1610), Hermogenes was 80-81 years old. A sharp transition from the Patriarch's diet to a monastic diet (lean bread with kvass), at this age, plunges the body into stress. And the forces are not the same. And the body has nothing to fight with. As a result, the general depletion of the body, a sharp activation of all "sleeping" diseases and ... a natural result ... natural death.
                Second: Poles was not profitable Hermogen's death. No matter how, he was the Patriarch. Therefore, he was not allowed to die ... right up to the moment of natural death (February 17, 1612)
                Third: Death from hunger (i.e., martyrdom) is very beneficial to the Church. After all, she (the church) had political dividends on this death (as they say now). In short, ... Gergemon’s death from starvation is not confirmed by anything or anyone.
                Fourth: Miracles monastery of that time, this building was directly part of the complex of buildings of the Kremlin (!!!). In comparison with other monasteries, the Chudov Monastery of that time is "five stars", in a luxurious condition and luxurious provision of the "luxury" class. Therefore, when they say that Hermogenes was taken into custody, the Church slyly keeps silent that he was not sitting in the basement damp, but in luxurious conditions (of that time).
                Fifth: The public knows about the fact of death only from church sources, which were compiled much later than the fact itself, therefore such sources are not historically correct. At the same time, the Church's passion for distortion of facts and for historical falsifications is well known. Take at least the many times revised "Tale of Bygone Years".
                Sixth: It is known that the Kremlin was under siege, and 80-year-old Hermogenes was in the "apartment under the supervision" of the guards. The question is, how did an old, feeble old man manage to quietly write several letters a day, and send "these" through the Kremlin walls "to all ends of the Russian land" ??? !!!
                I will answer for you: nor what did he write. At this age, "the hand is already tired to hold the pen. And you can't raise your head, ...",
                In short, there is another Orthodox hoax. Although I am 100% sure that it was written by someone unknown by a large number of letters on behalf of Germogen... And now, according to the Orthodox tradition, this "titanic work" is attributed to a feeble old man.

                The main thing in all this is that We defeated the Poles !!!
                And the Church, as always, ascribes to itself the main merits!
                1. Ascetic
                  Ascetic 5 November 2012 03: 36
                  +5
                  Quote: GG2012
                  Secondly: the Poles did not benefit from the death of Hermogenes. No matter how, he was the Patriarch. Therefore, he was not allowed to die ... right up to the moment of natural death (February 17, 1612)


                  Why then the Poles isolated him from the people? And death is certainly not beneficial, because suspicion would have fallen on them and therefore came up with a version of death from starvation. According to another version, he suffocated from smoke that more likely the Poles simply simply killed him seeing that they could not be held. The last 9 months in custody, he really didn’t I could not write. For this and isolated to not write

                  The public knows about the fact of death only from church sources, which were compiled much later than the fact itself, therefore such sources are not historically true

                  At that time, all sources were church. To recognize him as a saint or not is the business of the church, Our business is to remember that this was a significant figure, in fact the ideological inspirer of the people's militia, regardless of whether he wrote appeals or not, they WERE ON behalf of the PATRIARCH and played a significant role in the events of troubled times .
                  Quote: GG2012
                  neither of which he wrote

                  Let him not write, but at least dictate. The style of all letters is the same and belongs to one person

                  Two letters from the patriarch Hermogenes to traitors who tried to overthrow Tsar Vasily Shuisky. After February 17, 1609
                  My webpage

                  Certificate of patriarch Germogen
                  My webpage
                  My webpage
                  My webpage
                  1. GG2012
                    GG2012 5 November 2012 11: 53
                    0
                    Quote: Ascetic
                    Let him not write, but at least dictate. The style of all letters is the same and belongs to one person

                    He was 80-81 years old. Sobriety of mind and working capacity at this age no longer possess. And he could not dictate, because he was in custody and locked up (that is, he could not have contact with people).
                    Numerous letters on behalf of Hermogenes, invented, duplicated and distributed numerous monks in each region and city of the Russian land.

                    It is good that we have soberly dealt with this situation and, through joint efforts, have revealed yet another mystification.
                    Thank you for refraining from cursing and hanging labels on me (Like "Enemy of the people and the Russian land", ...)

                    PS Unfortunately, if you study Christianity with sober eyes and an open mind, 90% of the information turns out to be Mystifications (distortion of facts, false conclusions, a necessary lie for the good).

                    PS Nature always strives for a balance between internal content and its external manifestation.
                    Realizing this, the foundation of all religions becomes visible.
                    1. Galina
                      Galina 5 November 2012 18: 49
                      0
                      GG2012,
                      This, most likely, will be your lot at the age that Patriarch Hermogenes had: "He was 80-81 years old. Sobriety and efficiency at this age no longer possess. And he could not dictate ..."
                      You cannot understand that God gives a clear mind and a sober understanding, wisdom in decisions, as well as the gift of providence and an older and decrepit body. Only this must be earned. But you do not understand this for the rationalist.
                      1. GG2012
                        GG2012 5 November 2012 19: 09
                        +2
                        Quote: Galina
                        But you do not understand this for the rationalist.

                        Lovely young lady! After all, you do not know me at all, but you have already written down to rationalists. This is so feminine ... love
                        You confuse rationality (logic) of thinking and clarity of thinking.
                        As they say in Odessa ... these are two big differences!
                        Happy holiday to you!

                        PS You are not worthy of one flower. You deserve a glade of flowers!
      2. thorstein
        thorstein 4 November 2012 11: 37
        +7
        In case of need, there will be so many volunteers that you won’t know what to do. Nevertheless, no matter how we are corrupted, not destroyed by our unity, no matter how they try to convince us that we are barbarians at the back of civilization, we RUSSIANand the Russians don’t give up.
      3. vezunchik
        vezunchik 4 November 2012 12: 08
        +3
        The same situation was in 1812 and 1917 and in 1941 and now .... so draw conclusions ...
    4. Kshatriy
      Kshatriy 4 November 2012 10: 51
      +7
      Quote: Brother Sarich
      A fictitious holiday, in spite of November 7 ...

      ...... The feast of the icon of the Kazan Mother of God --- Christian Russia is celebrating today. And what is far-fetched in it ???
      1. d.gksueyjd
        d.gksueyjd 4 November 2012 10: 58
        +5
        I agree, but the article is not in honor of the holiday ICONS OF THE KAZAN GOD'S MOTHER.
        Happy holiday to all believers!
      2. Brother Sarych
        Brother Sarych 4 November 2012 11: 22
        +6
        I specially looked again - not a word about the icon! And since when did church holidays become popular?
      3. vezunchik
        vezunchik 4 November 2012 12: 11
        +4
        Our Lady of Kazan is the patroness and patroness of RUSSIA and Orthodoxy!
    5. vezunchik
      vezunchik 4 November 2012 11: 59
      +2
      Moreover, the actual date was transferred from 7 to 4 ... for convenience ...
    6. igordok
      igordok 4 November 2012 12: 53
      +5
      If we had left November 7 as a holiday - celebrated November 4 with all hands and feet. And so - November 4 is a holiday appointed by the liberals. Therefore, I will side. It is with such "contrived" holidays that history is opposed in order to embroil us. And judging by the dispute, they succeed.
      1. Konrad
        Konrad 4 November 2012 14: 53
        -8
        [quote = igordok] And so - November 4 is a holiday appointed by the liberals.
        And on November 7 - steelyrasts!
        1. d.gksueyjd
          d.gksueyjd 4 November 2012 16: 52
          +4
          Nobody appointed the holiday on November 7, it was only canceled. I am not against the celebration of November 4, but remember its name before Medvedev, And the name does not correspond to reality.
          November 4, the day of the ICON OF KAZAN'S GOD'S MOTHER and the DAY FOR EXEMPTION FROM THE SPEECH AS WELL, so what does it have to do with WHO!
          In difficult times, the RUSSIAN PEOPLE always rose against foreigners, regardless of power! am
          1. Konrad
            Konrad 4 November 2012 19: 30
            0
            Quote: d.gksueyjd

            Nobody appointed the holiday on November 7

            And where did he come from ???
            Quote: d.gksueyjd
            so what does it have to do with KEM!

            The unity of the whole people in the fight against the invaders. What's not clear ?
            1. d.gksueyjd
              d.gksueyjd 4 November 2012 21: 02
              +1
              Quote: Konrad
              The unity of the whole people in the fight against the invaders. What's not clear ?
              In 1917, there was also the unity of the people to fight the invaders, except for the civil war, there was a war with the interventionist and no less important than the wars of 1612 and 1812. Russia has always been, is and will be a tidbit for interventionists.
      2. d.gksueyjd
        d.gksueyjd 4 November 2012 16: 43
        +4
        I agree with you, there are holidays that are not the "red day of the calendar" WILL NOT BE ABLE TO BLOSS OUT 70 YEARS FROM THE LIFE OF RUSSIA THESE MONSTERS! democrats "
  5. nokki
    nokki 4 November 2012 08: 42
    +16
    Blessed Virgin Mary save us!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 4 November 2012 09: 02
      +5
      Quote: nokki

      Blessed Virgin Mary save us!

      Thank you for your post Gennady is the best that could be written. Maybe they will think. +
    2. lotus04
      lotus04 4 November 2012 09: 05
      +11
      Quote: nokki
      Blessed Virgin Mary save us!


      Here you have to work yourself. As they say: - "Trust in God, but do not make a mistake!"
      1. bask
        bask 4 November 2012 09: 38
        +11
        lotus04 Over the past 30 years, our rulers have done such a thing. That God's help is indispensable. !!!
        1. lotus04
          lotus04 4 November 2012 10: 17
          +13
          Quote: bask
          otus04 Over the past 30 years, our rulers have done such a thing. That God's help is indispensable. !!!


          I am not an atheist, but even 15 years after the war from 1945 to 1960 was made SUCH A JERK , and all with hands and COUNTRY GUIDELINES! Which wasn’t trifling in my pockets, but working for the benefit of the WHOLE country and its POPULATION!
          1. dimanf
            dimanf 4 November 2012 11: 39
            +11
            Quote: lotus04
            I am not an atheist, but even 15 years after the war from 1945 to 1960, such a jerk was made, and everything was somehow done with the help of hands and the leadership of the country! Which wasn’t trifling in my pockets, but working for the benefit of the WHOLE country and its POPULATION!


            that’s it and IT WORKED FOR THE WHOLE COUNTRY AND ITS POPULATION!
            and the present is only thinking about his pockets.
          2. bask
            bask 4 November 2012 12: 02
            +4
            I agree Lotus04 (((Frames decide everything)) I.V. Stalin. From the plow, to the nuclear bomb and the satellite for 30 leeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeebet !!!!!!!!!!!!! About now solid ....... ......... Holiday, not a desire to express myself. I think anyway ERRING ......
    3. Melchakov
      Melchakov 4 November 2012 16: 11
      +1
      Quote: nokki
      Mother of God

      Please correct.
  6. Lexa_71rus
    Lexa_71rus 4 November 2012 09: 57
    +6
    Happy holiday! Together, as a single people, we will survive all external and internal adversity, and we don’t need to prove it; we already proved it to the whole world 400 years ago!
    1. Frogfoot 255
      Frogfoot 255 4 November 2012 10: 07
      +8
      And not only 400 years ago, but throughout history. It was, is, and will always be!
      1. v53993
        v53993 5 November 2012 16: 16
        0
        And they (our enemies) still do not understand this. "Enlightened" Europe however. How much can you brush them off, can you slam them once and for all? And live in peace.
  7. Bort radist
    Bort radist 4 November 2012 10: 35
    +8
    Happy Holidays to all those who plus and those who minus!
    Some remind you that you are not alone, others make you think again!
  8. d.gksueyjd
    d.gksueyjd 4 November 2012 10: 42
    +4
    With someone to share with: Serdyukov, Chubais, Abramovich and other 5% of the population of Russia? Why are you there, a holiday should be thumped, there are still others like that - the first Monday and others.
    Excuse me, but for me, the holiday of November 07.11, 2012, which was canceled without the consent of the people, like 3 Bukhariks, destroyed the country!
    1. Kshatriy
      Kshatriy 4 November 2012 11: 04
      +9
      Quote: d.gksueyjd
      With someone to share with: Serdyukov, Chubais, Abramovich and other 5% of the population of Russia?

      So no one personally invites you, on the Feast of the Icon of the Kazan Mother of God, to unite with the Jews you listed above ..., be a Christian, celebrate with all the Orthodox people .... With the Feast of the Orthodox ??????
      1. WW3
        WW3 4 November 2012 14: 27
        +5
        Happy Holidays!
        Day of the Kazan Icon of the Mother of God on November 4
  9. mar.tira
    mar.tira 4 November 2012 11: 48
    +4
    I agree! This is a significant date in commemoration of the feat of our people, to save us. It’s bad that this holiday was proclaimed as an alternative to the Great October Revolution, it is not very respected by the common people. That’s why they do not like it, not as a holiday, but as a political counterbalance, power struggle! It's a pity!
  10. dimon-media
    dimon-media 4 November 2012 12: 01
    +6
    Now I’m going to Minin and Pozharsky Square. For a demonstration. Happy holiday to all! Is Nizhny Novgorod here? Let's go together!
    1. altman
      altman 4 November 2012 12: 08
      +2
      there and we will be there !!!
  11. patriot2
    patriot2 4 November 2012 12: 06
    +3
    And if in good conscience all Russians will live, then no one is ever afraid of Russia.
    All a happy holiday!
    1. zadotov
      zadotov 4 November 2012 21: 22
      +1
      can you tell me how?
  12. Karabin
    Karabin 4 November 2012 12: 26
    +6
    Great Holiday, regardless of who introduced it, or rather returned. I believe that the epochal events of 400 years ago are poorly covered and studied in our country. The date gives us another reason to think about why, from time to time, throughout history, those who hold power surrender the country, passing into the camp of the enemy. Is it not in us? Happy Holiday!
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 4 November 2012 13: 55
      +3
      Quote: Karabin
      the lives of 400 years ago are poorly covered and studied in our country.

      it’s hard to argue with it, just myth-making and practically no analysis and truth
  13. Fire
    Fire 4 November 2012 12: 47
    +7
    I don’t understand what kind of unity holiday can be, if the whole country is divided into those who stole and those who were robbed. And the income gap between rich and poor is the largest in the world.
    1. tan0472
      tan0472 4 November 2012 13: 28
      +2
      Quote: Fire
      I don’t understand what kind of unity holiday can be, if the whole country is divided into those who stole and those who were robbed. And the income gap between rich and poor is the largest in the world.

      Do you think that if this holiday is canceled, then everyone will close in a friendly embrace and everyone will become equally well-off? So why knead flies in cutlets?
      Russia has something to celebrate! Happy Russia !!!
      1. d.gksueyjd
        d.gksueyjd 4 November 2012 16: 57
        0
        Of course there is, a NEW YEAR for example!
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 4 November 2012 16: 58
          +5
          The Lightest holiday is May 9, VICTORY DAY, for me personally.
    2. NICK
      NICK 4 November 2012 13: 34
      +3
      Quote: Fire
      I don’t understand what kind of celebration of unity can be, if the whole country is divided into those who stole and those who were robbed

      This "holiday" is more likely to divide people. Too much, it is artificial, but not a national one, although there are always those who like to drink on an extra day off.
      Personally, I do not want unity with homosexuals, liberals, "Russians", Edrasty and other trash.
      1. d.gksueyjd
        d.gksueyjd 4 November 2012 16: 58
        +1
        Therefore, the above listed came up with this name!
  14. APASUS
    APASUS 4 November 2012 13: 45
    +6
    It’s interesting how the Poles interpret this day? Probably again offended ............
    1. homosum20
      homosum20 4 November 2012 13: 55
      +4
      Let it be. They carry water on the offended and put the device
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 4 November 2012 13: 56
      -3
      Skye, and are you offended that the Poles in these elections drove Ivan the Terrible a little earlier and chose Val ?!
      I'm not sure you even know about it, so are the Poles
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 4 November 2012 20: 43
        0
        Well, and what ... did the real historical fact blame?
  15. Alex 241
    Alex 241 4 November 2012 13: 48
    +1
    And then we pour it to the brim, and plunge drinks
    1. Frogfoot 255
      Frogfoot 255 4 November 2012 14: 44
      +4
      Alex and I are with you drinks And let them know that on non-requested guests, we always have Susanin smile
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 4 November 2012 14: 49
        +2
        And the forest is thicker drinks
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 4 November 2012 14: 54
          +6
          We are still able to. drinks
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 4 November 2012 14: 57
            +3
            Or so drinks ........................
            1. Frogfoot 255
              Frogfoot 255 4 November 2012 15: 10
              +1
              Beautiful view from the deck. Lepota .... Surprise on July 4th. good
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 4 November 2012 15: 12
                +2
                Candies and crackers with firecrackers laughing
              2. Beck
                Beck 5 November 2012 11: 13
                0
                Alex 221 and Frogfot.

                I congratulated all the Russians on the holiday, and at the same time the Great Country.

                But what is this snapshot for? What should Alex have to bomb New York on such a bright holiday?

                NOVEMBER 4 is a UNITY holiday, not a day of militaristic confrontation. Indeed, if in this vein we go further, not only will there be no holiday, but there will be no whole life.
            2. SSR
              SSR 4 November 2012 19: 06
              +3
              For the Holiday photo)) for the ignorant ... please pay attention to the inscription instead of the Bank of Russia))) and look at Orel)) is not the current trouble))
              1. Gorchakov
                Gorchakov 4 November 2012 20: 20
                +1
                Quote: SSR
                please pay attention to the inscription instead of the Bank of Russia))) and look at Oryol)) not the current trouble))

                This is a sign to changes in Russia ... I hope for the best ... !!!
              2. APASUS
                APASUS 4 November 2012 23: 14
                +1
                So this dredge ........... ordinary look different
          2. Frogfoot 255
            Frogfoot 255 4 November 2012 15: 05
            +1
            We can’t, but we can. Here, you don’t have a donkey either. laughing
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 4 November 2012 15: 07
              +1
              And the bulls in cans are driven laughing
              1. Frogfoot 255
                Frogfoot 255 4 November 2012 15: 37
                +1
                Immediately obvious, a graduate of the Lipetsk Pulp and Paper Mill. smile
  16. andrey_sk
    andrey_sk 4 November 2012 14: 10
    +4
    Congratulations to all! They exchanged kings from Polish-Belarusian-Ukrainian to German. Just a celebration of some kind of soul.
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 4 November 2012 14: 20
      +1
      Quote: andrey_sk
      They exchanged kings from Polish-Belarusian-Ukrainian to German.

      well, I do not. the first Romanov was a Rusich; it was rooted in the root of Rurik. it was later that Peter 1 with the Germans became related through daughters. and since then flooded, no matter how the emperor’s wife, she’s German. although the Germans then were divided into many, many kinds of land, and accordingly called names differently
      1. andrey_sk
        andrey_sk 4 November 2012 15: 16
        0
        Yes, the first three tsars after that were Russian, right up to Peter I inclusive, and then ... They wanted the best, but it turned out as always.
      2. d.gksueyjd
        d.gksueyjd 5 November 2012 08: 51
        +1
        By 1917, negligible little Russian blood remained in the blood of Russian tsars.
      3. Lexagun
        Lexagun 5 November 2012 10: 52
        +2
        Romanovs - Rurikovich?!? !!!?
        Am I correctly quoting you: "......Romanov Rusich was, in the root of Rurik came... "....?
        Uh .... commenting even somehow is not convenient.
    2. EropMyxoMop
      EropMyxoMop 4 November 2012 15: 07
      +6
      As Valentin Pikul wrote - “It is hard to find more pure-blooded Germans than Russian tsars in Europe.”
      1. SlavaP
        SlavaP 4 November 2012 21: 37
        +4
        Well, let's say a purebred German, Catherine 2, has done quite a lot for Russia - or who will argue?
        1. andrei332809
          andrei332809 4 November 2012 21: 50
          +1
          Quote: SlavaP
          German Catherine 2 has done quite a lot for Russia

          You're right. she understood that in order to be great herself, a great country must be made. and then you will be very reckoned with. in my opinion, her main merit is that a fleet was created under her, and she drove this fleet out to sea, did not allow rot near the pier
        2. Lexagun
          Lexagun 4 November 2012 21: 52
          +2
          You cannot imagine how much you can "argue" here, for example, about the manifesto on the liberty of the nobility, on the actual introduction of slavery instead of serfdom. about giving up already conquered Prussia for so, continue the list?
          1. andrei332809
            andrei332809 4 November 2012 21: 56
            +1
            Quote: Lexagun
            how much here you can "argue" for example

            yes, not everything is smooth. but left the country in greatness. you can’t argue with that. and now people have been driven into bondage, now I feel hegemonic less and less
            1. Lexagun
              Lexagun 4 November 2012 22: 16
              +1
              Greatness is actually not her merit, but Potemkin, Suvorov and others like them. One of her few merits is that by reigning she made it possible to rule others. Not always understanding where these or those decisions will lead. The largest peasant war, as it were (Pugachev), the grandest hyperinflation (only Gaidar surpassed Kerensky)
              Well, as for bondage, you don’t even equal the current situation of the population and even the position of the serf (before Catherine), which Catherine was able to aggravate by permitting them to be sold without land.
  17. zol1
    zol1 4 November 2012 14: 10
    +7
    The real historical date of the final liberation of the Kremlin on October 26 according to the old style and November 7 according to the new! Everyone is trying to remake the caftan of history for themselves.
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 4 November 2012 14: 22
      +3
      Quote: zol1
      Everyone is trying to remake the caftan of history for themselves.

      You are right about this. how much humanity lives, so many rulers rewrite history for themselves
    2. ImpKonstantin
      ImpKonstantin 4 November 2012 15: 59
      0
      It doesn’t matter which day to celebrate, it’s just a formality, reporting to history. The main thing is that the essence of the holiday should reach everyone.
  18. Orthodox warrior
    Orthodox warrior 4 November 2012 14: 34
    +1
    Happy holiday, Russia! Today is a really big celebration. Even double: the Day of National Unity, and the celebration of the great Orthodox shrine - the Kazan Icon of the Virgin! And I do not understand those who are not happy about this. For a long time we still have to rebuild our brains ...
    And so, guys, let's enjoy the holiday together!
  19. patriot2
    patriot2 4 November 2012 14: 36
    +1
    zol1,
    Think correctly, it’s impossible to live in good conscience in Russia, whoever is in power is the one who interprets history in his own way, it was so, it is, it is so ...., it is disgusting ... Again, on the occasion of all!
  20. schapchits
    schapchits 4 November 2012 15: 24
    +3
    Quote: lotus04
    Unlike November 7, this is a holiday!

    Do you think November 7th is not a holiday? !!!!
  21. NEMO
    NEMO 4 November 2012 15: 58
    +5
    Unity Day of Russia


    Proud of the glory of the ancestors
    not only possible, but also must.

    Pushkin


    Established on November 4, 2005 in Russia, the Day of National Unity is celebrated on the anniversary of the liberation of Moscow in 1612. In that year, Russian people defended their Fatherland from external and internal enemies. I heartily congratulate everyone on the holiday!
    1. d.gksueyjd
      d.gksueyjd 4 November 2012 17: 06
      0
      Quote: NEMO
      anniversary of the liberation of Moscow in 1612

      Here it is the true name of this holiday, I am for!
      1. AleksUkr
        AleksUkr 4 November 2012 17: 28
        +2
        On December 16, 2004, the State Duma of the Russian Federation simultaneously adopted in three readings amendments to the Federal Law On Days of Military Glory (Victory Days of Russia). One of the changes was the introduction of a new holiday - the Day of National Unity - and the actual postponement of the state weekend from November 7 (Day of consent and reconciliation) to November 4. The main reason for the transfer, according to many analysts, was the desire to completely withdraw associations with the anniversary of the October Socialist Revolution (November 7, 1917).

        Today, November 7 is the Day of Military Glory of Russia — the day of the military parade on Red Square in the city of Moscow to mark the twenty-fourth anniversary of the Great October Socialist Revolution (1941).
  22. AleksUkr
    AleksUkr 4 November 2012 17: 13
    +5
    “... so that the throne can be corrected by the king
    And to elect the king again,
    Here Minin and Pozharsky
    Rather, they gathered a army.
    And their power drove
    Poles out again,
    Land of Michael
    She raised to the Russian throne ... ".
    A.K. Tolstoy

    !!!! In late August 1612, the army of Minin and Pozharsky approached the capital. On August 22-24 (September 1-3), a fierce battle took place under the walls of Moscow with the royal army under the command of Jan Karl Khotkevich, aimed at helping the besieged garrison. The Poles were utterly defeated and fled home.
    The invaders behind the Kremlin wall capitulated. On October 26 (November 6), the capital of Russia was completely liberated.
    Thanks to the initiative of Nizhny Novgorod, it was possible to gather military force, restore control, expel the invaders from the capital and create favorable conditions for a victorious struggle that ended in peace in 1619. Therefore, the feat of Nizhny Novgorod remained forever in historical memory as an example of patriotism, military valor and civil responsibility for destinies Russia. !!!!
  23. gispanec
    gispanec 4 November 2012 18: 05
    +5
    All with a holiday and a PURE sky above your head ....... as they say in zombies, cleanliness is clean, but they do the tide here (for heaven) ....
  24. Lexagun
    Lexagun 4 November 2012 18: 41
    +6
    Regardless of the many individuals who participated in the turmoil from one side or another ..
    But the holiday is somehow strained.
    Why didn’t they celebrate it before?
    Well, it's clear with the communists. close to another "great" date. And how did the Romanovs burst like that? Ah ah ah. Now we will urgently fix the walk for all 400 years of oblivion wink Or maybe there was no real reason there? Anyway, it is expensive for the Romanovs to attract undue attention to this topic. The false Dmitry, the murder of the "vorenka" and the illegal occupation of the throne by Mikhail, will emerge again.
    Were the intruders driven out? Who? militia or Cossacks? And why, then, was not Rurikovich Pozharsky on the throne? Yes, and the term intervention was not used at that time, and its use now to those events distorts the essence of what is happening. The Poles themselves were invited (they are, of course, happy), but you better think on what grounds the Polish prince could claim the Russian (newfound) throne, because the royal title in Muscovy had just appeared. And was it only Poles who were invited? Nobody wants to remember about the "Swedish offer"? By the way, what are the reasons? By the way, the Swedes were very offended by the refusal. They then thought that their version had more grounds. They were so offended that when Filaret received an offer from the English king, which he could not refuse, they gladly provided (in English then denyuzhki) the corps of De la Gardie. where 5000 of their own Swedish guards were urgently transferred. And 10000 more mercenaries (professionals) were hired throughout Europe, mainly in Germany. Here De la Gardie then fought with the Poles, successfully in between. But the truth is Filaret threw him wink and did not pay what he promised. Why was he greedy? from the British he received 20 pounds (000 grams - lb.) of silver. Dmitry had to be declared "false" due to the fact that Mishenka Romanov, Filaret's son, publicly executed Mnishek and Dmitry's son with personal participation. If they did not have dynastic significance and rights to the throne, then what is the use of executing them. And if they did, the one who executed them, according to the laws of the time, is a regicide and cannot inherit the throne or take it in any other way.

    It will not be superfluous to mention that Dmitry is hardly the son of a "formidable" but most likely Simeon Bekbulatovich. In any case, it is he who first of all returns from the link. But back to the theme of the holiday. Let me remind you that according to the official version, the turmoil begins not with the death of the "formidable" one, but with the beheading of the Tatar dynasty of the Godunovs. It turns out that Godunov's rights are greater than the Romanovs' rights? These are not all surprises, the Shuiskys also had more rights. But the Romanovs were able to back up their claims with hefty sums. For which, by the way, the British were ready to bash such grandiose money (almost 10 tons of silver), but for a little. For the establishment of monopoly rights to foreign trade. for the "Moscow Kumpania" created by them (a complete analogue of the East India). For the transformation of Muscovy into a colony. The British really needed hemp and flax (without this there are no sails and ropes), mast timber, and the newly-minted British would definitely not give up honey with wax and Vologda oil. Need to explain what a trade monopoly means? Just in case: this is when you shave off every g ... for expensive and your goods are bought for nothing. Semi-colony. Doesn't it remind you of anything from the recent past?

    This is the price paid by Filaret for the foundation of the dynasty.
    This is what we celebrate today.
    Happy holiday. negative
    1. Lexagun
      Lexagun 4 November 2012 18: 43
      0
      It will not be superfluous to mention that Dmitry is hardly the son of a "formidable" but most likely Simeon Bekbulatovich. In any case, it is he who first of all returns from the link. But back to the theme of the holiday. Let me remind you that according to the official version, the turmoil begins not with the death of the "formidable" one, but with the beheading of the Tatar dynasty of the Godunovs. It turns out that Godunov's rights are greater than the Romanovs' rights? These are not all surprises, the Shuiskys also had more rights. But the Romanovs were able to back up their claims with hefty sums. For which, by the way, the British were ready to bash such grandiose money (almost 10 tons of silver), but for a little. For the establishment of monopoly rights to foreign trade. for the "Moscow Kumpania" created by them (a complete analogue of the East India). For the transformation of Muscovy into a colony. The British really needed hemp and flax (without this there are no sails and ropes), mast timber, and the newly-minted British would definitely not give up honey with wax and Vologda oil. Need to explain what a trade monopoly means? Just in case: this is when you shave off every g ... for expensive and your goods are bought for nothing. Semi-colony. Doesn't it remind you of anything from the recent past?

      This is the price paid by Filaret for the foundation of the dynasty.
      This is what we celebrate today.
      Happy holiday. negative
    2. Nagaibak
      Nagaibak 4 November 2012 19: 51
      +4
      Lexagun "This is the price Filaret paid for founding a dynasty. This is what we celebrate today." Great findings! Reading your posts is just a song! The Russian people have no history, the tsars are ugly and syphilitics, they did not drive the invaders away, they left themselves. Bravo!
      1. Lexagun
        Lexagun 4 November 2012 20: 26
        +3
        Dear Nagaybak, you can draw your own conclusions; I don’t even insist on my own, and as for the kings and rulers, Russia also had better options. My favorite collaborationist is Alexander Nevsky. Dmitry Donskoy is very interesting. The same Alexei Mikhailovich, or the reign of Elizabeth 2, Or Pavel 1, Nicholas 1, Alexandra 2 and 3rd, Stalin, Beria, I hope Putin will be in this row. So the Russian people are all right with history, do not worry. No worse than the French, in which the actual national French state was formed as a result of the activities of Richelieu (Arman-Jean du Plessis). The same times apply.
        1. Nagaibak
          Nagaibak 5 November 2012 16: 15
          0
          Lexagun. "My beloved collaborator Alexander Nevsky" Well done! Famously you hide our national heroes! Speak of them as if they were from some Honduras! Okay, at least you don't write about archers - janissaries and Cossack elves !!! Gee ... we're looking at Putin ... already ... a decent amount of time, we'll see ... the deadline? Do you think he will be in the cage of the great rulers of Russia?
          1. Karish
            Karish 5 November 2012 16: 55
            +2
            Quote: Nagaibak

            Lexagun. "My beloved collaborator Alexander Nevsky" Well done!

            Well, in general, there is a lot of controversy, without touching the fact of victory over the Swedes and Germans, it is worth remembering that Alexander Nevsky was the most faithful ally of the Tatars and monopoly, and in his army there were many Tatars in the ice battle. As part of the general army, they raided Swedish and Lithuanian lands.
            http://lib.rus.ec/b/99352/read
            http://www.xliby.ru/istorija/rus_i_orda/p5.php
            http://www.catholic.uz/tl_files/library/books/danilov_posledstviya/page05.htm
            Of course, it’s impossible to call him a co-librarian. Russia as a single country did not exist yet, but he used the Tatars to strengthen and maintain personal power.
            This is if you look at the facts, we rightly note that he was not the only one.
            In general, there are probably no positive personalities from all sides. Like all politicians (now, what then) there are dark sides in doubtful alliances, etc.
            1. Lexagun
              Lexagun 5 November 2012 18: 03
              0
              Dear Nagaybak, I love Nevsky not for the policy of compromise which he skillfully pursued in the interests of the lands subject to him, but for the fact that he conducted it skillfully wink Well, there was no other alternative.
              Sagittarius Janissaries? curious
              But the Cossack elves are not as funny as you think. However, the Cossacks could not be Elves (alpha - the first, original). The Cossacks were second. Translate the word Cossack. Naturally in Russian wink And do not look for the meaning of this word in Perumov and Tolkienen.
              I just prefer Nagaybak, albeit an unpleasant, but well-founded opinion, than a beautiful myth that has nothing to do with reality. The actions of the characters must be motivated and correlated with common sense, and any historical concepts to withstand the test of the economy. Embellishment of reality leads to trouble. Because decision-making requires the most accurate information possible, even if it causes rejection.
            2. Lexagun
              Lexagun 5 November 2012 18: 58
              +3
              Let the word collaborator be an artistic exaggeration wink
              But the fact that he was not the only compromising politician is not entirely accurate; there were no others, if they appeared, then not for long.

              In general, Nevsky is an interesting character. What is described in school and university textbooks is taken from the "life" which, at best for the text, is dated three centuries later than the events described in it, at the time when they just decided to canonize him, so they "combed it" wink ... Despite the controversy of its own dating, "Novgorodsky Izvod" paints a more realistic picture. When reports came to the city where the young (16 years old) prince represented daddy's interests about the Swedes robbing along the river The local voivode, as a wise man with experience and gray hair, recommended the prince to gather a militia, not relying on preliminary information that there were not many Swedes. The ardent prince thirsty for glory rejected the advice, he already dreamed of every pleasant thing, laurels, timpani, and of course booty. Taking a small squad, he stuck his eyes to the river for the night. The Swedes are also not Newton's binomial, believing that while the scouts will inform the townspeople until the townspeople are gone, they will plunder as much as they can and quietly leave.

              So it would have happened, but the voivode who remained in the city was forced to speed up the gathering of the militia to save himself. After all, to answer for the death of the prince would have had to be fast to the Pope for reprisals, and no excuses that they say that the fool himself did not ride. By nightfall, the voivode, of course, did not have time. And Alexander Yaroslavovich, not yet burdened by the experience of a commander ..., took all the raspberries to the Swedes. With a small squad without reconnaissance, barely finding the Swedish camp, he attacked it in spite of the beginning of twilight and the multiple numerical advantage of the enemy. They then, twilight, saved him in the end. The future Nevsky (there is a variant of the spelling Nevrsky) with a few and colleagues hacked through to the center of the Swedish camp, where he really chopped up the central tent. That would be the end of him. The Swedes realized that the attackers were once or twice, but the prince was finally "stunned", and his close guard (wasn’t she "stunned"?) Pulled out the too hot commander from the battle. We took refuge in the forest. The falling twilight prevented the Swedes from organizing the search. In battle, Alexander lost half of the small squad, the Swedes were about the same while the trousers were pulled on. At the same time, the Swedes considered that it was all the forces of the Russians and did not turn down their camp in the hope of resuming the pursuit in the morning. They, too, already dreamed of a captured city left without protection. But by morning the governor arrived in time with the militia, with relief he found the battered but alive prince. And the Swedes, to their own delight, are not the remnants of yesterday's bashi-bazouks, but what no, but the militia. Having figured horseradish to their nose, they decided to retire, and the prince, having brightened (at the same time, turning pale) from yesterday, decided not to interfere with them even with the militia. So they parted. But the robbery was interrupted wink Perhaps this battle helped Alexander subsequently become a more balanced person, and he already celebrated his 18th birthday as a real commander. It was not possible to unearth large details on the Neva battle
          2. Lexagun
            Lexagun 5 November 2012 18: 03
            0
            Dear Nagaybak, I love Nevsky not for the policy of compromise which he skillfully pursued in the interests of the lands subject to him, but for the fact that he conducted it skillfully wink Well, there was no other alternative.
            Sagittarius Janissaries? curious
            But the Cossack elves are not as funny as you think. However, the Cossacks could not be Elves (alpha - the first, original). The Cossacks were second. Translate the word Cossack. Naturally in Russian wink And do not look for the meaning of this word from Perumov and Tolkienen.
            I just prefer Nagaybak, albeit an unpleasant, but well-founded opinion, than a beautiful myth that has nothing to do with reality. The actions of the characters must be motivated and correlated with common sense, and any historical concepts to withstand the test of the economy. Embellishment of reality leads to trouble. Because decision-making requires the most accurate information possible, even if it causes rejection.
          3. Lexagun
            Lexagun 5 November 2012 18: 06
            +2
            Dear Nagaybak, I love Nevsky not for the policy of compromise which he skillfully pursued in the interests of the lands subject to him, but for the fact that he conducted it skillfully wink Well, there was no other alternative.
            Sagittarius Janissaries? curious
            But the Cossack elves are not as funny as you think. However, the Cossacks could not be Elves (alpha - the first, original). The Cossacks were second. Translate the word Cossack. Naturally in Russian wink And do not look for the meaning of this word in Perumov and Tolkienen.
            I just prefer Nagaybak, albeit an unpleasant, but well-founded opinion, than a beautiful myth that has nothing to do with reality. The actions of the characters must be motivated and correlated with common sense, and any historical concepts to withstand the test of the economy. Embellishment of reality leads to trouble. Because decision-making requires the most accurate information possible, even if it causes rejection.
      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 6 November 2012 00: 27
        0
        the story eats is quite great, unfortunately very often turned out to be inverted and lying

        Pavel’s whole life was represented in the form of a tyrant and a dumbass, and in reality a literate and smart man, but his policy was directed against limes for which they killed, so make your own conclusions
    3. SlavaP
      SlavaP 4 November 2012 21: 35
      +4
      Uh-huh, in general, there was no occupation, but what was it? Maybe "a temporary stay of a limited contingent of Polish peacekeeping forces"?
      1. Lexagun
        Lexagun 4 November 2012 22: 01
        +3
        Well, you first postulate the term "occupation" as you understand it, then you can see what the actions of the Poles (extremely unfriendly and openly abusing the mandate of trust) were called at that time in accordance with the current international practice of that time. But do not forget that you invited them yourself. And how the Poles would behave could not but know given the long-term practice of mutual relations (continuous wars - isn't it?)
        It is not necessary to transfer the current standards of morality to those times, and even more so the existing practice of interstate relations for that period.
        be easier look for motivation wink
      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 6 November 2012 00: 23
        0
        occupation of what ?!
        Well, apart from the fact that these invaders seem to have just met with flowers.
        events are described, as well as the events of 17 years in the period of the USSR
  25. Lexagun
    Lexagun 4 November 2012 18: 44
    +3
    By the way, Filaret’s grandson Aleksei Mikhailovich Ioann (quietest) eliminated this campaign with great difficulty, since England, considering itself deceived (why would it?) Always took a hostile attitude towards Russia, even when it was pretending to be an ally. (we are always second-class allies for them).
    These bitter historical examples may be possible to celebrate somehow, but it is better to know, remember and be able to draw conclusions.
    I really liked how Putin noted this, without any unnecessary comments, he simply laid flowers on Minin and Pozharsky. The first personified the old Russian merchants and the main way of generating income (transit along the Volga - the northern spur of the Great Silk Road), the second old Russian nobility (however, Rurikovich) stood guard over northeastern Russia.
  26. SSR
    SSR 4 November 2012 19: 04
    0
    For the Holiday photo)) for the ignorant ... please pay attention to the inscription instead of the Bank of Russia))) and look at Orel)) is not the current trouble))
  27. Kasym
    Kasym 4 November 2012 19: 30
    +6
    All Russians happy holiday !!! Kazakhstan people with YOU !!!
  28. SlavaP
    SlavaP 4 November 2012 21: 38
    +2
    In short, everyone with a parasite!
  29. Apollo
    Apollo 4 November 2012 22: 15
    +7
    Long time ago I didn’t write on the forum, BUT on this day made an exception, on this historic day, Russia as a state faced the threat of disappearance from the world map, BUT the Lord was merciful and did not allow the forces of evil to do this. Russia rightfully belongs to all earthlings. A unique state and a unique people, rightfully passed through fire and water, on this momentous day I wholeheartedly join all congratulations. I wish Russia prosperity, prosperity and patience. yes
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 5 November 2012 05: 34
      +1
      Quote: Apollon
      Long time ago I didn’t write on the forum,

      Hi Apollo, thanks for the wishes. Hello from Odessa drinks
  30. Bob
    Bob 4 November 2012 22: 16
    +1
    The date of November 4 the end of the turmoil in Russia is associated with the expulsion of Gentiles from the country and the Kremlin. And this was facilitated by the unity of the Russian people through unification, that is, by universal prayers and repentance before God for all those sins that they and their ancestors committed, including the sin of regicide - Godunov’s son was killed, and this was followed by dark times - trouble. By prayers, the Russian people asked God the Orthodox Tsar and deliverance from the yoke of foreigners. On this basis, the people gathered strength into a fist, chose the leaders of the people's militia - Minin and Pozharsky, and forced the adversary to leave in their own way. A little later, the Romanov family ascended the throne, with which begins the period of the rise of the Russian state.
    Today, history repeats itself. The assassination of the imperial family 100 years ago and the subsequent difficult trials continue today, and the Kremlin has an anti-people regime. The collapse of the foundations of the state - the family (through juvenile technology, the mass removal of children to UWB - more than 60 thousand children since the beginning of the 90s), the army (plundering and reduction), education (Centralized Testing, low teachers' salaries, reduction of universities and educational costs, payment for education not only higher, but also for school and preschool, low salaries of teachers in kindergartens), medicine (the same problems with salaries, equipment, qualified personnel, plus paid services, and complete disorganization). All of the above, combined with the state of the Russian economy and the export of capital from it, clearly characterizes the Kremlin’s power.
  31. studentmati
    studentmati 4 November 2012 22: 19
    +5
    Glory to the Heroes of Russia: pilots and technicians, designers and technologists, riveters and foundry workers, the entire Great Russian people, creating power and defending the independence of Russia !!! Happy 400th anniversary of Russian Statehood !!! Jin!
  32. Islam
    Islam 4 November 2012 23: 46
    +2
    Happy holiday RUSSIANS drinks
  33. dimanf
    dimanf 5 November 2012 00: 44
    +4
    Takeoff taxiing and takeoff of the AN-22 "Mriya"
    An impression that cannot be forgotten.

    1. WW3
      WW3 5 November 2012 00: 47
      +7
      Amendment is AN - 225 "Mriya" winked
      1. dimanf
        dimanf 5 November 2012 10: 22
        +1
        Sorry, a typo came out.
        1. WW3
          WW3 5 November 2012 11: 28
          +5
          It's okay, the video is good, in Ukraine there is also something to be proud of. Aircraft - handsome, the largest in the world! The AN-225 super large jet was the core of the Soviet space program, and now it is the world record holder for the transportation of the largest cargo.
          1. dimanf
            dimanf 5 November 2012 11: 55
            +4
            Another movie about a DREAM.
            1. v53993
              v53993 5 November 2012 13: 45
              +1
              Slavic miracle.
  34. Alone
    Alone 5 November 2012 03: 28
    +2
    Why bind faith with national unity. Did the people rise up in the name of faith?
    1. d.gksueyjd
      d.gksueyjd 5 November 2012 08: 41
      +2
      Then the Orthodox faith was of great importance and the people rose just for faith, against Catholicism. And where is the eden, the serf (slave) doesn’t care whose whip cools on the shoulders. Note after all World War II, people were freed from the yoke of power,
      1. Alone
        Alone 5 November 2012 13: 01
        +1
        It seems to me that intervention itself is already a reason for unity and popular uprising. Recall the same Tatar-Mongol yoke. The Tatar-Mongols did not interfere in the religious life of Russia, but as soon as the opportunity arose, they were thrown out of our lands.
  35. BOEC007
    BOEC007 5 November 2012 04: 58
    -6
    No USSR 2 will not, there will be two where Russia will be America!
    1. Frogfoot 255
      Frogfoot 255 5 November 2012 10: 33
      +5
      John: Not funny at all? laughing Where would America be? If not for Russia. Civil war in America, who helped? Russian fleet. Bread bought, where? In Russia (Tsarskaya). Constructors, engineers, etc. .... from Russia. And NATO? They are among themselves They can’t agree. Perhaps you forgot that from the taiga to the British seas, the Russian Army is the strongest. soldier
      1. v53993
        v53993 5 November 2012 13: 48
        +2
        John he and in Africa John. He does not see further than America, the Slavic flight of thought is not enough thought.
    2. v53993
      v53993 5 November 2012 16: 21
      +1
      It was a mistake in the nest of historical traitors to conclude a military treaty. Now if there is, then the Moscow Treaty.
    3. Brother
      Brother 6 November 2012 18: 27
      0
      Correction, America will be Russia!
  36. mars6791
    mars6791 5 November 2012 19: 18
    +1
    judging by the abundance of photographs of aviation - this is a celebration of aviation in Russia, but rather biased morons. Minin and Pozharsky saved Russia from thieves and schemers, similar as one to one to our current power. And I do not want and will not celebrate the date appointed by the alcoholic Yeltsin. A more suitable date is the New Year in Russia - not politicized, religiously not inclined to any religion, just a good holiday for all people, and with it purely Russian. I studied the anthem of the Soviet Union, swore an oath to the anthem - I don’t remember and don’t want to remember its name, it was soon canceled, but I can dance to the Marseillaise anthem, and even the devil knows what, maybe it’s enough to scoff at me. And why not call September 8, 1380, or March 1953, Independence Day. Personally, I think the Genius who has raked this whole mess has not yet come.
  37. Spooky
    Spooky 10 November 2012 21: 01
    -1
    FALSE HOLIDAY !!!!!!!!!!