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Retired US intelligence officer: Patriot air defense systems after transfer to Ukraine will become an easy target for Russian troops

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Retired US intelligence officer: Patriot air defense systems after transfer to Ukraine will become an easy target for Russian troops

The supply of American Patriot anti-aircraft systems will not change the situation with air defense, and the complexes themselves will become a fairly easy target for Russian troops. This was stated by retired US Marine Corps intelligence officer Scott Ritter.


According to the military, the Patriot air defense system is too complicated to operate; its use will require trained crews, which must undergo special training. In addition, the complex cannot be integrated into the air defense system of Ukraine, which has long been outdated and created on the basis of the Soviet one. All this will make the air defense system an easy target for Russian troops.

The Patriot will be isolated and therefore an easy target. I'm sure they'll be destroyed pretty quickly

- he added.

Many Western experts are inclined to the same opinion, stating that American air defense systems will bring more problems to Ukraine than they will solve them. It is assumed that the Russians will specifically hunt for American air defense systems in order to destroy them, and it will not be difficult to establish their location. The only thing that Patriot air defense systems are capable of in this situation is to amuse Zelensky's pride, who will be given a very expensive weapon, but not capable of changing the course of the Russian special operation.

Meanwhile, as it was reported the day before, a decision on the supply of American anti-missile systems to Ukraine has not yet been made. White House spokesman John Kirby said that he does not have the relevant information, Biden is allegedly waiting to be provided with all the data on a possible delivery, and the Pentagon generally shrugged. In general, Washington cannot confirm the transfer of complexes to Kyiv.
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  1. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 15 December 2022 17: 39
    -6
    It is assumed that the Russians will specifically hunt for American air defense systems in order to destroy them.
    Too optimistic, suddenly the flyers will not be allowed to launch PR missiles, in the style of "No matter what happens, no matter how the partners are offended"!
    1. Cheshire
      Cheshire 15 December 2022 17: 43
      -3
      There is no point in destroying them, it is better to give the cost of our PR missile to the forelocks for them, and study it thoroughly. Well, as with Caesar). hi
    2. Argon
      Argon 15 December 2022 18: 21
      -1
      I think if they give it to the dill, then there will still be a video with the destruction, despite the lack of a video with the highmars. What kind of pindas they are, they think if the Hymars went with a bang and they did advertising, then it will fail here. Although xs. With our media resources, anything can be
    3. Luka Nord
      Luka Nord 15 December 2022 18: 24
      +4
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      a friend will not allow the flyers to launch PR missiles, in the style of "No matter what happens, no matter how the partners are offended"!

      Unfortunately, this option is possible, but judging by how the Houthis fired on Saudi oil refineries with simple lrons, which were covered by these patriots .. Still, this is all purely psychological ..
      In general, real air defense missile defense is defense in depth from different systems and is very expensive to completely close the sky.
      Here, most likely, the Poles demand from the United States to cover the western outskirts and bring in their troops, for this matter .. Vaughn Lukashenka pulled tank shock divisions to the borders of Ukraine and Poland (marked with a red square) So let's see more
  2. Michael
    Michael 15 December 2022 17: 41
    +3
    Normal SAM. Operators need to be trained for six months. Two months minimum.
    1. Diana Ilyina
      Diana Ilyina 15 December 2022 18: 07
      +2
      Well, yes, it’s so “normal” that it screwed up with the Houthi scuds several times, God knows what year of manufacture ... laughing
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 15 December 2022 18: 22
        +1
        Patriot planes shoot down regularly - no worse than the S-300.
        And Scuds are difficult to destroy with fragments. To do this, it is necessary for the fragment to break through the warhead. And so - the Patriots smashed the empty hull of the Scud with shrapnel (the fuel burned out long ago), and he continued to fly towards the target, only a little short.
        For this reason, the Americans in other missile defense systems switched to the expensive direct hit method.
        1. Michael
          Michael 15 December 2022 20: 03
          0
          enough to shoot down on the approach. buckshot
        2. Comet
          Comet 17 December 2022 14: 09
          +1
          Quote: voyaka uh
          And so - the Patriots solved the empty hull of the Scud with fragments (the fuel burned out long ago), and he continued to fly towards the target, only a little short

          Well, that's the Patriots' problem:
          1. ZUR had too light GGE.
          2. RV ZUR carried out the undermining of the warhead to destroy the center section-bow of the aircraft, which for the Scud is just for empty tanks.
          Quote: voyaka uh
          For this reason, the Americans in other missile defense systems switched to the expensive direct hit method.

          This is one of two "methods". The second is the formation of a directed GGE flow. By the way, a "clean" direct hit only works in vacuum. For interception in the atmosphere, all missiles have warheads. The difference is in the GGE and the way these GGEs are given energy.
      2. Lykases1
        Lykases1 15 December 2022 18: 40
        +2
        Excuse me, but what complex is normal? Which complex has never been processed? Finally, which complex has an efficiency of 1.0? And another question - does God know in what year, say, Point U was developed?
    2. Luka Nord
      Luka Nord 15 December 2022 18: 33
      +1
      Quote: Michael
      Normal SAM. Operators need to be trained for six months. Two months minimum.

      Well, there will be no problems with this, there will be NATO calculations, as well as on everything that is now being supplied to the ukroreikh. hi
    3. isv000
      isv000 15 December 2022 20: 56
      -1
      Quote: Michael
      Normal SAM. Operators need to be trained for six months. Two months minimum.

      In two months they can only be taught how to open doors. The operator learns to point and capture for up to a year, and then, it depends on talent and knowledge ...
  3. Sith
    Sith 15 December 2022 17: 47
    -2
    Well ... the S-300, which was in the mass of dill at the beginning of the company ... and also put in a heap ... also not much worse than a patriot ... but the S-300 did not show itself as an invulnerable air defense ... against those who made it...
    Well, our side has always looked at the patriots ... and the opportunity to smash them
    The downside here is another one ... a patriot is not only air defense ... but also, if possible, surface-to-surface missiles
    Yes ... unpleasant ... but it does not change the global picture in CBO
    1. Ohsetin
      Ohsetin 15 December 2022 17: 58
      +7
      Quote from Sith
      Yes ... unpleasant ... but it does not change the global picture in CBO

      Yes, after StarLink, Javelin, M777 and HIMARS, Patriot will not affect the Ukrainian offensive in any way. That's right. But planning bombs and NATO attack aircraft may well.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 15 December 2022 18: 24
        0
        The Patriot will replace the S-300, for which the Ukrainian Armed Forces are running out of missiles.
        1. isv000
          isv000 15 December 2022 21: 01
          0
          Quote: voyaka uh
          The Patriot will replace the S-300, for which the Ukrainian Armed Forces are running out of missiles.

          They will find the missiles, but they wouldn’t fly to Poland again, or over houses / bridges in Kukuev ...
  4. bk316
    bk316 15 December 2022 17: 55
    +3
    Yes it is obvious.
    If, of course, the partiot is used for hunting like the Ukrainians s-300, then it will still live.
    If to cover objects, then you need 3 more (THREE) missile defense / air defense echelons (medium-radius small-radius and MANPADS) to it.
    And so - just a target.
    And even in the case of a layered defense, I doubt that they will intercept the dagger. And so he shot and run, but can a patriot know how?
    1. cniza
      cniza 15 December 2022 18: 16
      +2
      Quote: bk316
      And so he shot and run, but can a patriot know how?


      Specialists say that they need 5-7 minutes to deploy and collapse, a total of 10-14 minutes plus work, and if the dagger is not far away, then it’s quite enough to destroy ...
      1. bk316
        bk316 15 December 2022 18: 44
        0
        Specialists say that they need 5-7 minutes to deploy and collapse, a total of 10-14 minutes plus work, and if the dagger is not far away, then it’s quite enough to destroy ...

        It's not even that. He cannot defend the object on the march. Therefore the choice or you stand until the ammunition is depleted, repelled the first wave, reloaded and wait for the second, or first reflected curled up and tear and threw the object.
        This is the difference between artillerymen and air defense officers (I have both VUS laughing )

        This is treated by multiple overlapping of the air defense affected areas (and even the ACS is needed to transfer responsibility), but then the Ukrainians need dozens of complexes. And it is not a fact that management will be able to establish. That is what we were taught.
      2. isv000
        isv000 15 December 2022 21: 04
        0
        Quote: cniza
        Specialists say that they need 5-7 minutes to deploy and collapse, a total of 10-14 minutes plus work, and if the dagger is not far away, then it’s quite enough to destroy ...

        Is Belarus close by?
  5. cniza
    cniza 15 December 2022 18: 12
    +5
    In general, Washington cannot confirm the transfer of complexes to Kyiv.


    They will act as always, they will confirm when he is already in Ukraine ...
    1. Argon
      Argon 15 December 2022 18: 24
      +1
      Also noticed this. At first they say that they are going to deliver, but it is already shooting there. Looks like they are being careful and in case of failure they are preparing a duck, they say they were not there.
  6. hellcos
    hellcos 15 December 2022 18: 16
    +6
    Well, yes, the outskirts are completely useless scrap metal, which nevertheless kills our guys so far. The supply of any, albeit very outdated, weapons is bad
  7. rocket757
    rocket757 15 December 2022 18: 24
    +3
    Retired US intelligence officer: Patriot air defense systems after transfer to Ukraine will become an easy target for Russian troops
    . Not one, no complex can fundamentally change the situation !!!
    To build something complex, effective, it takes time and ... a lot more ... oh yes, and also SPECIALISTS! Of course, aliens, it takes a long time to cook their own.
    This is an objective reality that you want / do not want to take into account.
    1. cniza
      cniza 15 December 2022 18: 48
      +3
      Not everyone understands this, and if they appear in Ukraine, then, together with Western specialists, they will become the number one target ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 15 December 2022 20: 26
        -1
        There, they weaned understanding for a long time ... for Pauases - skakuas, only faith is allowed.
        1. cniza
          cniza 15 December 2022 21: 13
          +5
          A lot of things are still uncertain, but we need to rely only on our own strength and be very diligent...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 16 December 2022 08: 20
            +1
            Nobody except us!
            Although ... the USSR had real friends, allies, and Russia has such, if you do the right thing, and not wag, back and forth.
            1. Dismas
              Dismas 17 December 2022 14: 44
              0
              Who were the real "friends-allies"? Were they not those who, without waiting for the end of the Second World War, planned the "Unthinkable"? Or those who are "brothers forever" with the Damansky incident? Perhaps Cuba ... but there were also "graters" there. There are no "friends-allies" in politics, everyone follows their own interests (or rages out of desperation).
  8. solar
    solar 15 December 2022 18: 35
    -1
    After the delivery of the SAMP-T air defense system with perhaps the most modern Western Aster missiles, the delivery of the Patriot will only change the range and strengthen the defense against the OTP.
  9. Joker62
    Joker62 15 December 2022 18: 37
    0
    Patriot air defense systems after transfer to Ukraine will become an easy target for Russian troops

    So let's check what kind of vaunted American air defense system ....
  10. 1razvgod
    1razvgod 15 December 2022 18: 38
    +5
    Ritter is still that Vanga, as an expert on the same level as the genius of Podolyak. There is no sense from these experts, so much has changed in a year that all these balabols could not even imagine. These devils will teach a lesson how to use their missile defense systems, it’s in the rear behind the hillock and not in a trench to study, he will prepare them. Further it will be seen what kind of technique and + and -
  11. Boniface
    Boniface 15 December 2022 18: 51
    0
    and the target and purpose for obtaining intelligence, which is not unimportant
  12. jacket
    jacket 15 December 2022 19: 10
    +1
    I remind you that Scott Ritter is literally a convicted pedophile.
    1. Dismas
      Dismas 17 December 2022 14: 51
      0
      And how does his sexual difficulties affect his professional qualities? Let me remind you that one of the associates of Jeanne d'Arc and Marshal of France, Gilles de Rais, was literally executed for "blue beard" and sexual problems with children involved in cannibalism (in general, the prototype of the "Bluebeard" of French fairy tales).
  13. Pilgrim85
    Pilgrim85 15 December 2022 20: 04
    +3
    Soon the United States will supply Ukraine with Abrams, Apaches, raptors, along with crews, and a retired officer will say that Russian soldiers are the best in the world, and Americans are fools squandering the budget. In fact, they want to split Russia, make the Russian nation insignificant, pump out all the resources, the rest is demagoguery. Apparently, closer to spring, intense hostilities are expected with the use of aircraft from both sides.
    1. isv000
      isv000 15 December 2022 21: 09
      0
      Quote: Piligrim85
      Apparently, closer to spring, intense hostilities are expected with the use of aircraft from both sides.

      Well, this is unlikely, military air defense on the ground and air defense-missile defense around the perimeter will not let you lie ...
  14. IvanR
    IvanR 15 December 2022 20: 50
    0
    Missiles for Buk and S-300 are running out, but as a replacement, the Patriot is clearly too expensive for this.
  15. isv000
    isv000 15 December 2022 20: 53
    0
    Patriot air defense systems after transfer to Ukraine will become an easy target for Russian troops

    I’ll say more: where necessary, they have already prepared a hangar with screwdrivers ... lol
  16. IvanR
    IvanR 15 December 2022 20: 53
    -1
    Quote: Ohsetin
    Quote from Sith
    Yes ... unpleasant ... but it does not change the global picture in CBO

    Yes, after StarLink, Javelin, M777 and HIMARS, Patriot will not affect the Ukrainian offensive in any way. That's right. But planning bombs and NATO attack aircraft may well.

    planning bombs is a good thing, but there are misunderstandings with the range, they also need to be launched from a high altitude, the plane will immediately appear on the radar, but at safe heights, what range will it be?
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 15 December 2022 23: 51
      0
      "planning bombs are a good thing, but misunderstandings with range, them .." ////
      ------
      An aircraft (for example, F-16) makes a candle up to a height of 10 km and releases a pack
      planning bombs 6-8 pieces. They fly (plan) 70-90 km.
      The aircraft dives abruptly and leaves at low altitude.
      Long-range missiles do not have time to hook it.
      1. Dismas
        Dismas 17 December 2022 14: 55
        0
        And what is the accuracy of this "packet-candle" bombing?
        1. UAZ 452
          UAZ 452 17 December 2022 16: 31
          0
          Accuracy depends on the ammunition, not the aircraft. You do not confuse the work of planning (adjustable) bombs and the launch of the NURS from the nose-up "somewhere in the direction of the enemy."
        2. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 17 December 2022 19: 15
          0
          The accuracy is equal to that of military GPS.
          The bomb flies to the coordinates of a stationary target.
  17. runway-1
    runway-1 15 December 2022 20: 56
    +2
    Retired US intelligence officer: Patriot air defense systems after transfer to Ukraine will become an easy target for Russian troops
    This is an "expert" of near-zero value and his conclusions are the same, but it will do for agitprop! winked
    Although it seems that now calls are being made to be truthful ...
  18. IvanR
    IvanR 15 December 2022 20: 56
    +2
    Quote: rocket757
    Retired US intelligence officer: Patriot air defense systems after transfer to Ukraine will become an easy target for Russian troops
    . Not one, no complex can fundamentally change the situation !!!
    To build something complex, effective, it takes time and ... a lot more ... oh yes, and also SPECIALISTS! Of course, aliens, it takes a long time to cook their own.
    This is an objective reality that you want / do not want to take into account.

    Well, Himars obviously changed? When he appeared in mid-June, how many warehouses with "saltpeter" and headquarters did he take out there?
  19. Rage66
    Rage66 16 December 2022 13: 26
    0
    These patriots are still hiccuping the Saudis ... And here again soldier
  20. zenion
    zenion 16 December 2022 15: 05
    +1
    And if this air defense system does not know that it is an easy target, what will happen then?
  21. Kusja
    Kusja 17 December 2022 07: 32
    0
    It seems to me that Scott Ritter is a bit of that. Listening to him is only to distract from problems and engage in complacency.
  22. Mekey Iptyshev
    Mekey Iptyshev 17 December 2022 11: 05
    0
    Just watched an interview from the "other" side on a Chinese channel. A terrorist defense official told a journalist how a rocket was allegedly shot down from a machine gun during yesterday's strike on the Ukrainian energy grid.
    Maybe the United States should send not a Patriot, but just machine guns laughing
    1. Dismas
      Dismas 17 December 2022 14: 56
      0
      Hunting slingshots, they are cheaper and BC is literally lying under your feet.
  23. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 17 December 2022 15: 28
    0
    These SAMs did not always intercept, even the old Iraqi SCADs, in ideal conditions. The probability of intercepting much more modern missiles, despite the fact that the probability of the arrival of PRR + EW, is very high, is highly doubtful.
  24. UAZ 452
    UAZ 452 17 December 2022 16: 27
    0
    An easy target? I remember that the same thing was said in our media about the Chimeras. Although, there is no doubt that Konashenkov with his army (and after all, a lieutenant general is equated with an army commander, well, at least - a corps, right?) Will destroy them several times a day, like the Haimars.