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Transcaucasian knots of discord

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Transcaucasian knots of discord



The hallways are still crowded


Literally the other day, and right before the eyes of Russian peacekeepers, the conflict region in the southern sector of the border between Armenia and Azerbaijan - Zangezur was supplemented by the Lachin corridor. Baku "activists" blocked this artery, which provides transport and economic ties between Nagorno-Karabakh and Armenia.

This was done not for the first time, but for the first time so seriously and with a clear attitude for a long time. The US State Department and the French Foreign Ministry have already officially called for an end to the blockade. In a word, the conflict situation now covers about half of the length of the border between Armenia and Azerbaijan...

The focus of Azerbaijan, as already reported by "Military Review" (Zangezur corridor. Forty kilometers of geopolitics), on Zangezur is due to Baku's desire to completely control the South Transcaucasus. This region, which almost no one knows as Syunik, is located in the south of Armenia between the Nakhichevan autonomy of Azerbaijan and the rest of its territory.

One of its features is that Syunik includes almost the entire border of Transcaucasia with Iran. And this, accordingly, in the event of occupation, allows to “eliminate” southern Armenia as a transit territory.

Demanded resources


An attempt to occupy, and so far quite successful, only 30 square meters. km in Syunik is probably also due to the fact that very large centers of non-ferrous metallurgy of Armenia are located near this expropriated zone - the Kapan and Kadazaran metallurgical plants. It is no coincidence that Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan mentioned this at the recent CSTO summit.


Recall that the total share of these enterprises in the all-Union production of non-ferrous metallurgy by the mid-80s. reached 15%. And near these plants are concentrated significant reserves of high-quality ores of cobalt, vanadium, molybdenum, bismuth, copper, rare earth metals.

The total volume fraction of these reserves in the south of Armenia reached in the 30-80s. 20% in the all-union register of the same resources. But now the level of their actual development in the south of Armenia barely reaches 35%. Moreover, most of these South Armenian deposits are concentrated just near the southern sector of the Armenian-Azerbaijani border.

And including in a new point of discord - near the same 30 square meters. km in Syunik, now controlled by Azerbaijan.

There is no way back


Combines in Kapan and Kajaran have been working since the mid-90s, as they say, neither shaky nor roll. But it is noteworthy that the 40 km railway connecting Kapan with the USSR railway network was built in the early 50s not to the southern Armenian station of Meghri, bordering Iran, but to Azerbaijan.


To clarify, the path led to the Azerbaijani station Minjevan on the Transcaucasian Trans-Siberian Railway (Tbilisi - Rustavi - Yerevan - Norashen - Nakhichevan - Julfa - Meghri - Minjevan - Horadiz - Imishli - Baku), passing along the borders of Transcaucasia with Turkey and Iran. Moreover, the line Kapan - Minjevan was managed by the administration of the railways of the Azerbaijan SSR, although about a third of the length of this line is located in Armenia ...

The leadership of the Armenian SSR has repeatedly offered Moscow to reassign this line to Yerevan, but in vain. So, the significant metallurgical capacities of Armenia and the large resources of non-ferrous metal ores in the south of the country were "tied" to the railway network of Azerbaijan.

This line has been inactive since the mid-1990s, just as almost the entire "Transcaucasian Trans-Siberian" has been inactive since the same period. But if a further escalation of the conflict takes place in the same southern Armenian region, it is possible that the Kapan and Kajaran plants, together with the mentioned highways, may simply come under the control of the Azerbaijani side.

Zangezur as an alternative


As for the Azerbaijani corridor to Nakhichevan through the Armenian Zangezur, this is an old история. More precisely, the project of the railway through this region of Armenia between Nakhichevan and central Azerbaijan was developed back in the mid-60s.


Academician Tigran Sergeevich Khachaturov, head of the Economics Department of the USSR Academy of Sciences, supervised the work (pictured in 1967). A group of Soviet experts led by T.S. Khachaturov proposed the same thing in 1988. That line would become the shortest route between Nakhichevan and central Azerbaijan. The project was tentatively approved by the State Planning Commission and the Ministry of Railways of the USSR.

But, since the route passed through Nagorno-Karabakh, Baku decided that the highway would increase the “gravitation” of this region towards Armenia. And in Yerevan, they feared, as they say, on the contrary: the excessive presence of Azerbaijan in Armenia, thanks to the same steel line.

Therefore, in Yerevan and Baku, in the end, they decided to limit themselves to the aforementioned "Trans-Siberian Railway of Transcaucasia" and the operating highway from Baku, passing through Nagorno-Karabakh and further - Zangezur, to Nakhichevan.

A new aggravation of the situation in the southern Armenian-Azerbaijani border area is capable of forever "redrawing" the resource-economic, and indeed the political map of this region. And hardly in favor of Armenia, one of the few proven allies, at least supporters of Russia...
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  1. parusnik
    parusnik 21 December 2022 05: 51
    +5
    A new aggravation of the situation in the southern Armenian-Azerbaijani border area is capable of forever "redrawing" the resource-economic, and indeed the political map of this region.
    And what does Russia have to do with the resources of Armenia? What's Russian there? If there is, then not so much.
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 21 December 2022 08: 40
      +9
      And what does Russia have to do with the resources of Armenia? What's Russian there?
      Well, you need to know who owns a controlling stake in these enterprises. There is not a word about this in the note, but it would explain a lot.
    2. gsev
      gsev 21 December 2022 18: 47
      -1
      Quote: parusnik
      And what does Russia have to do with the resources of Armenia? What's Russian there? If there is, then not so much.

      Just 220 years ago, the United States was paying tribute to Algerian pirate vassals of Turkey, and other Turkish vassals, the Crimean Khanate regularly supplied slave girls from Russia and Circassia to Turkish markets. Perhaps in the next 100 years, that traditional order of things may return to Europe. Separately, France and Russia do not dare to recklessly challenge Turkey. Taking advantage of the diversion of NATO and Russian resources to Ukraine, the Turkic world has an excellent chance to take under its monolithic control the former zone of instability from the Caucasus to Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan.
      1. Dkuznecov
        Dkuznecov 21 December 2022 21: 05
        +3
        France and Russia do not dare to recklessly challenge Turkey

        you thought up, my friend of fables.
        Briefs from tailoring workshops
        or Turkey will brush aside bananas from Alanya in which case?
        Turkish world? What is this focus? Turkey with its tribes
        cannot figure it out, not to mention the rallying of other peoples.
        I love Turkey, I live there for a couple of months a year, but please,
        it's one thing to grow peaches and troll Greeks, it's another to go out
        to the major leagues of states.
        1. gsev
          gsev 21 December 2022 21: 40
          -1
          Quote: DKuznecov
          it's one thing to grow peaches and troll the Greeks,

          Turkey trolled competitors in Libya, Syria and Karabakh with its drones. A fighter drone is on the way. Turkey crossed the straits in 1352, defeated the Serbs in the Kosovo field in 1389, Constantinople fell in 1453, and in 1499 the last Serbian fortress of Gorna Zeta. Turkey is becoming a center of power in Europe commensurate with France or Germany. Maybe the cosmetic business is underdeveloped in Turkey, but everything is fine with the defense industry, at least a Turkish engineer is higher in status than a cosmetologist. Perhaps in the next 100 years, Turkey will be able to return everything that it lost in the 19th and early 20th centuries.
    3. Romanovski
      Romanovski 21 December 2022 23: 48
      -1
      ""... And what does Russia have to do with the resources of Armenia? What's Russian there? If there is, then not so much ... """
      ----
      Do not dissemble ... Funny ...
    4. alexey alexeyev_2
      alexey alexeyev_2 22 December 2022 18: 16
      0
      You are the friend of that ... Follow the market. And what is a nuclear power plant? .RUSSIA is responsible for its security
    5. Romanovski
      Romanovski 22 December 2022 20: 08
      -2
      What is the difference between the situation in Crimea and Artsakh? Straight to the point:

      1) Crimea was part of independent Ukraine from 1991 (since the collapse of the USSR) until 2014. While Artsakh has not been a part of Azerbaijan for a single day. In 1991, when Azerbaijan declared its independence, it no longer controlled the territory of Artsakh. Artsakh and Azerbaijan declared their independence from the USSR at the same time, only a few hours apart.

      2) Crimea never in history until the middle of the 20th century had a Russian majority. While in Artsakh from ancient times (1st millennium BC) and up to the present day, almost exclusively Armenians have always, uninterruptedly lived. So, back in 1770, Russians made up 0% of the population of Crimea. According to the 1897 census, Russians in the Crimea were 33% of the population. According to the 1926 census, Russians in Crimea were 42% of the population.
      According to the 1940 census, Russians in the Crimea were already 49% of the population. And only after the deportation of the Crimean peoples in 1944, the Russians FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HISTORY made up the majority in Crimea. Today they make up 65% of the population.

      For comparison, in Artsakh (Nagorno-Karabakh), according to ancient and medieval authors, only Armenians lived.
      According to the 1722 census, Armenians made up 100% of the population of Artsakh.
      According to the 1897 census, Armenians made up 90% of the population of Artsakh.
      According to the 1921 census, Armenians made up 95% of the population of Artsakh.
      According to the 1940 census, Armenians made up 90% of the population of Artsakh.
      According to the 1960 census - 85% of Armenians.
      According to the 1970 census - 81% of Armenians.
      For the entire more than 2 thousand-year history of Artsakh (Nagorno-Karabakh), the minimum number of Armenians was in 1989, when Armenians made up 77% of the population of Artsakh. (Part 2 coming soon)
    6. Romanovski
      Romanovski 24 December 2022 22: 10
      -1
      Zelensky thanked Aliyev for helping Ukraine

      President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky said he highly appreciates Azerbaijan's assistance to the people of Ukraine.

      This is stated in the congratulatory letter of the Ukrainian leader in connection with the birthday of Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev, Azerbaijani media reported.

      According to Zelensky, under the leadership of Aliyev, Azerbaijan, having strengthened its position both in the South Caucasus region and in the international arena, has achieved important successes. The Ukrainian president expressed confidence that "this will continue in the future."

      “I highly appreciate Azerbaijan's constant support for the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine, as well as its assistance to the people of Ukraine during the war with Russia. We hope that this support will increase,” the letter also says.

      Earlier, Azerbaijan sent humanitarian aid to Ukraine, consisting of basic electrical equipment, in the amount of more than $800. The Russian Foreign Ministry said that the transfer of transformers and generators by Azerbaijan to Ukraine "as humanitarian aid" was bewildering for Russia.
  2. Des
    Des 21 December 2022 07: 33
    +5
    Normal article. I would also like to mention in comparison how many Russian-speaking populations are in each of these former Soviet republics, how many schools with the Russian language, and how many people are in the US embassies there. Being at the wedding of relatives in the Orenburg region, I noticed at the table in a business conversation both those and others (the war is going on in Karabakh). "What do you want, business." - answered me.
    1. gsev
      gsev 21 December 2022 18: 50
      +4
      Quote: Des
      Being at the wedding of relatives in the Orenburg region, I noticed both of them at the table in a business conversation (the war in Karabakh is ongoing). "What do you want, business." - answered me.

      In Russia, Azerbaijanis and Armenians are quite friendly and are happy to do business together. Yes, and I am still interested in Ukrainians as an intermediary for working with the Chinese.
    2. Lyuba1965_01
      Lyuba1965_01 21 December 2022 23: 03
      0
      I can say quite confidently and responsibly for Azerbaijan.
      There, in almost every kindergarten and school, there is a Russian sector, just like in any university.
      Moreover, in these sectors, it is Az.children who are the most numerous.
      There is an Orthodox cathedral built almost 20 years ago with the money of an Az.philanthropist, who donated it to the Baku diocese of the Russian Orthodox Church.
      At least more than half of the population of Azerbaijan knows the Russian language.
      And there are much more Russians in Azerbaijan than in Armenia: even during the Soviet era, Armenia was the only almost completely mono-ethnic republic.
      1. Romanovski
        Romanovski 21 December 2022 23: 52
        -1
        ""... And there are much more Russians in Azerbaijan than in Armenia:,,,""
        -----
        But you don’t need to lie ... And don’t build a saint out of Azerbaijan who adores Russia ... This is far from the case ... But in Armenia and Karabakh (to your deep regret ....) - the vast majority of Armenians are for Russia...
        1. Lyuba1965_01
          Lyuba1965_01 24 December 2022 01: 37
          +1
          We are talking about the status of the Russian language, and not about who is where and for whom.
          That the Armenians of Karabakh are for Russia - someone clearly deceived you.
          Yes, there are a small part of them, but just a small one.
          At the moment, both Armenia and Azerbaijan are angry with Russia.
          But I don’t remember a single anti-Russian rally in Azerbaijan, unlike Armenia.
          1. Romanovski
            Romanovski 24 December 2022 02: 53
            -2
            "....But I don't remember a single anti-Russian rally in Azerbaijan, unlike Armenia...."""
            ----
            Is it ??? Or maybe your "argument" is a cunning and crafty move, which is designed for simpleton readers ??? But, you are deliberately "mistaken", since there are a lot of pro-Russian citizens in Armenia ... Look at the recent VISIT (!! ... Putin does not go to unfriendly countries from the word AT ALL) of V. Putin to Armenia for the CSTO summit, when the route of the President of the Russian Federation - he was met by many people with pro-Russian banners ... Finally open your eyes ...
            1. Lyuba1965_01
              Lyuba1965_01 24 December 2022 05: 50
              +1
              My eyes see everything normally.
              In Armenia, there are those and those.
              However, no one has ever seen anti-Russian rallies in Azerbaijan, unlike Armenia.
              Much more Russians live in Azerbaijan than in Armenia (before the refugees from the mobilization from Russia moved to Armenia).
              In Azerbaijan, the state language is Azerbaijani, but Russian is the second unofficial language. And no one reduces the number of classes in Russian, the number of kindergartens with Russian groups or Russian groups in any university.
              On the contrary, their number is only increasing.
              If you want to assess the situation objectively, look at everything with an open mind.
              I understand that Armenian Christians are closer to the Orthodox than Muslim Azerbaijanis, but this should not affect objectivity.
              So many times in our history we have defended the "fraternal" Slavic peoples or our fellow believers, forgiving them all their sins, insults, betrayals and insults, receiving nothing in return, except for accusations of "occupation", that it's time to stop attacking the same or robbery.
              1. Romanovski
                Romanovski 24 December 2022 19: 12
                -1
                ""...However, in Azerbaijan, no one has ever seen anti-Russian rallies, unlike in Armenia...."".
                ---
                Are you sure??? Exactly?? Either you are lying, or you suffer from a strange "forgetfulness" ... Send you videos from the Web, when, after the start of the NWO of Russia, numerous ANTI-Russian protests began in Baku and other cities of Azerbaijan ??? Submit these videos or will you take my word for it?? Okay, let's go and we will consider this the cost of your "forgetfulness" ...
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                "" "....before the refugees from mobilization from Russia moved to Armenia ...."".
                But you are in vain ... You should not use cheap and provocative methods of Azerb here. propaganda, because for your (and not only ...) information, in the RF Armed Forces for 8 months there are already 5 Heroes of the Russian Federation with Armenian surnames, as well as many decorated soldiers with Armenian surnames ...





                ---------------
                In Armenia, Russian is ALSO the second unofficial, and the vast majority of citizens of Armenia and Artsakh are ALMOST fluent in Russian ...
                1. Lyuba1965_01
                  Lyuba1965_01 24 December 2022 20: 21
                  0
                  Let's not imitate the children and not consider who has more of some kind of heroes.
                  Well, it's not serious.
                  And I write what I know not even 100%, but 1000%.
                  So all your pathos down the drain.
                  It so happened that I am in the midst of events in Armenia and Azerbaijan and I see everything with my own eyes, and do not read in any media.
                  Therefore, leave all your "evidence" to those who know nothing and draw news only from people like you who are clearly pro-Armenian, or from biased media.
                2. ISKANDER_61
                  ISKANDER_61 30 December 2022 10: 46
                  0
                  These are citizens of the Russian Federation, not Armenia. The Russian Federation is a multinational country. And you don't have to freak out.
              2. Romanovski
                Romanovski 24 December 2022 19: 17
                -1
                "" .... before the refugees from mobilization from Russia moved to Armenia ...""
                ----
                This is your Eastern insidious and crafty phrase that did not leave me indifferent and I want to send one more file to you (and not only...) to catch up.
                1. Lyuba1965_01
                  Lyuba1965_01 24 December 2022 20: 34
                  +1
                  Again, some kind of childish reasoning: but I have more of this, and you have less of this ....
                  You are aware that at the beginning of the Second World War, many oil workers from Baku were sent to the front, many volunteered.
                  But almost all of them were quickly returned back to Baku, giving them a reservation.
                  The reason was very good: due to the departure of many men, most of whom were oil workers, oil production in Azerbaijan fell sharply.
                  And oil at the front at that time was much more important than even 100 fighters, I hope that at least you understand this.
                  And the oilmen worked 2-3 shifts in a row.
                  To understand what kind of work it is, only someone who is at least elementary versed in oil production can.
                  This is very hard work, this is ruined health even today with modern mining technology, to say nothing of that time.
                  There were those who died in the workplace from such physical exertion.
                  At that time, in order to extract oil faster, many oil fields were ruined, so that subsequently the USSR, and later Azerbaijan, lost quite tangible oil reserves forever.
                  It is too long to explain why, and only those who understand this issue can understand this, the topic, you know, is specific.
                  So in those years, each republic helped the front with everything it could, with everything it had.
                  Azerbaijan gave the front what it desperately needed - oil.
                  Other republics are something else.
                  So study the question a little, and then say something.
                  1. Romanovski
                    Romanovski 24 December 2022 21: 35
                    -2
                    ".... But almost all of them were quickly returned back to Baku, giving them a reservation.
                    The reason was very good: due to the departure of many men, most of whom were oil workers, oil production in Azerbaijan fell sharply.
                    And oil at the front at that time was much more important than even 100 fighters, I hope that at least you understand this .... """.
                    ----
                    Oh, yes - then it’s understandable ... Sorry ... I underestimated the fact that Baku needed oil workers not only for oil production, but also for ... Okay ... Now everything is clear ...
                  2. Romanovski
                    Romanovski 24 December 2022 21: 53
                    -2
                    "....Again.... reasoning: but I have more of this, and you have less of it...."".
                    ---
                    That's right - Armenia has MORE HEROES, Marshals, Generals and FIGHTING fighters for the USSR than Azerbaijan ... Much more ... And Armenia has earned this right to be PROUD of its Heroes who fought for the USSR ... Although the citizens of the Arm.SSR in In 1941, it was 3 (!) times LESS than the citizens of the Azerbaijan SSR ... By the way, 106 Heroes of the USSR with Armenian surnames is NOT the FINAL number, because if you add to this number - 12 Heroes of the USSR with Armenian surnames from the Cargo list .SSR and 29 (!) Heroes of the USSR from the list of Azerb.SSR (I myself looked in the Military Encyclopedia of the USSR), it will turn out 147 Heroes of Armenians from the times of the USSR ... By the percentage of Heroes of the USSR, Marshals, Generals, Admirals, officers and ordinary Armenians in of the Soviet Army to the number of citizens in Armenia itself (only 1.400.000 citizens of the Armenian SSR at the time of 1941 ... as one district of modern St. Petersburg ...) - Armenia was NOT equal even in the USSR ... Although, very often modern Azerbaijan "forgets" and "is embarrassed" to mention or even erase from his list of Heroes of the USSR with Armenian Russian surnames ... But in the days of the Azerbaijan SSR, these Heroes were proud of them regardless of their surnames .. Well, at least thanks for that ...
                  3. Romanovski
                    Romanovski 24 December 2022 22: 24
                    -1
                    Armenians in the Great Patriotic War.

                    More than 600 thousand Armenians took part in the Great Patriotic War. During the war, 6 Armenian rifle divisions were formed: 76, 89, 390, 409, 408 and 261.

                    The 390th division, which was sent to the defense of Kerch in May 1942, almost all fell on the battlefield. The 76th Armenian Rifle Division fought heroically near Stalingrad. The 409th division has come a long way and reached the Czech Republic. The 89th Taman Armenian Division was formed in December 1941, participated in the battles for the Caucasus, distinguished itself in the battles for the liberation of the Kuban, and entered Berlin in May 1945. It was the soldiers of the 89th division at the walls of the Reichstag after the storming of Berlin, with weapons in their hands, to the sounds of zurna and dhol, they performed the victorious dance “Kochari”.

                    During the years of war and deprivation, the Armenian diaspora around the world raised money for the tank column "David of Sasun". 106 ethnic Armenians were awarded the title of Hero of the Soviet Union.

                    More than 80 Armenian soldiers were awarded military orders and medals for their courage and bravery on the fronts of the Patriotic War.

                    The marshals were: Ivan Bagramyan, Sergey Aleksandrovich Khudyakov (at birth Armenak Khanferyants), Hamazasp Babajanyan, Sergey Aganov, Ivan Isakov (admiral = marshal ... born in the Armenian quarter of Tbilisi).
        2. gsev
          gsev 30 January 2023 17: 00
          0
          Quote from Romanovski
          But you don’t need to lie ... And don’t build a saint out of Azerbaijan who adores Russia ...

          The leadership of Azerbaijan and personally Aliyev were able to create normal relations with Turkey, Israel, Georgia. Israel has built a drone manufacturing plant not in Armenia, but in Turkey. Apparently, this allowed Azerbaijan to modernize its Air Force in the direction of the widespread use of drones, and Turkey to get access to some Israeli technologies when designing its drones. At one time, despite the battles at Damansky, weapons for Vietnam from the USSR went through the PRC. However, Georgia interferes with the transportation of Russian weapons to Armenia. This suggests that Armenia was able to spoil relations with Georgia, although these countries have experienced oppression from Muslims for centuries.
  3. User_neydobniu
    User_neydobniu 21 December 2022 07: 36
    +5
    The leadership of the Armenian SSR has repeatedly offered Moscow to reassign this line to Yerevan, but in vain. So, the significant metallurgical capacities of Armenia and the large resources of non-ferrous metal ores in the south of the country were "tied" to the railway network of Azerbaijan.

    Again the USSR planted a mine? Although if it had not broken up, then hotheads from both sides stood at the same execution wall
  4. Fon elia
    Fon elia 21 December 2022 07: 49
    +4
    Azerbaijan is the largest republic in Transcaucasia in terms of territory, population, resources and economy. Russia in 1922 redrawn today's borders of the three Transcaucasian countries now. In two of them, Azerbaijan and Georgia, it placed time-delayed mines. These are Karabakh, South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Armenia was not given such a surprise. So the Armenians themselves have been living in this territory for about 200 years. After the wars of Russia with Persia and Turkey. They are like the fifth column in the Caucasus. There is no Sarsakh Marsakh. There is a region of Azerbaijan called Karabakh.
    Peace for everyone. ✌️
    1. saigon
      saigon 21 December 2022 14: 29
      +5
      Well, it’s for your taste that Artsakh is somehow more familiar to me than the Black Garden, to each his own.
      But about Russia’s ally Armenia, would you like to listen to a detailed lecture, and who, apart from employees at the base in Gyumri, benefits from the union? Moreover, Gyumri has always been considered a hole in the ZakVO, sorry. Otherwise, I’m ready to hear arguments about the benefits of an alliance with Armenia (although I’m skeptical knowing the topography of the region there, I don’t think that there is at least a little sense from the contingent in Gyumri)
      1. Romanovski
        Romanovski 22 December 2022 00: 06
        -3
        ""... I don't think that there is even a small sense of the contingent in Gyumri ...""
        ----
        You are very grossly mistaken ... The Kremlin will not agree with you ... And there are not such "naive" simpletons and crafty provocateurs as you are ...
        1. saigon
          saigon 22 December 2022 04: 40
          +2
          Well, what is the use of the base in Gyumri? Cut off from direct communication with Russia, this is so for a start, among the HP there are locals who are directly burning with the desire to do anything for Russia. So, in principle, there are no forces for conducting offensive databases. You can, apart from the slogan about provocateurs, tell me where the training ground is found there? T
          1. Romanovski
            Romanovski 22 December 2022 19: 23
            -5
            ""... Cut off from direct communication with Russia ..... among the HP there are locals who are directly burning with the desire to do anything for Russia ...."".
            ---
            Come on ... Don't be cunning ... They immediately burned as a "guardian" of Russia's interests and a "true patriot" of Russia ... Probably speaking for Russia from the Promised Land or from the Baltic states ???
            So: 1) The Kaliningrad region is ALSO cut off from the rest of Russia, but this is not a reason for Russia to abandon this region, and thank God that smart people like you are not yet at the helm of power ... Better advise Israel to finally abandon the West Bank from the Jordan River or from the Gaza Strip or from the Dutch Heights (for the good of Israel's interests) .... You can also advise the British to give up Northern Ireland in favor of the rest of Ireland in the name of World Peace and for all that is good ... Try ... Try not torture...
            ---
            ""........ among the PMs there are locals who are burning with desire for Russia to do whatever it is ...."".
            But don’t worry about them ... Yes, imagine that the Armenians are eager and ready to fight for Russia too .... To your great regret ...
            1. saigon
              saigon 23 December 2022 05: 59
              +3
              Dear man, don’t confuse Kaliningrad with Gyumri a little, and the scale is not the same and the land in Kaliningrad is Russia and not a little Pashenyan Armenia with a little rallies just against Russia. Well, the willingness to fight for Russia, so many Armenians are citizens of my country and not Armenia.
              Yes, and to fight for Russia is a debt to some Russians for the same Artsakh, if you remember. These are the things I say, because I consider it right to somewhat personally perceive the war in Artsakh in past years and I speak straight from Krasnoyarsk.
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          3. Romanovski
            Romanovski 22 December 2022 19: 27
            -3
            """..... among the PMs there are locals who are burning with the desire to do anything for Russia ......."".




          4. Romanovski
            Romanovski 22 December 2022 19: 29
            -3
            ""..... among the PMs there are locals who are burning with the desire to do anything for Russia ...."".
    2. Romanovski
      Romanovski 21 December 2022 23: 56
      +1
      "" .... So the Armenians themselves have been living in this territory for about 200 years. After the wars of Russia with Persia and Turkey. They are like the fifth column in the Transcaucasus. There is no Sarsakh Marsakh. There is the region of Azerbaijan Karabakh.
      Peace for everyone....""
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      What are you talking about???!!! Seriously??? Armenians appeared in Transcaucasia 200 years ago??? You probably read this in Azerbaijani textbooks on pseudo-history ??? And when and where did your nomadic ancestors appear in Transcaucasia ??? Can you tell by chance??? Or do you think that you can hang noodles here on the ears of ignorant readers with impunity??
      You say there is no Artsakh??? Who told you these stories? Or do you want to present your fantasies and desires here for reality ??? Azerbaijani false and impregnated with petrodollars and black caviar propaganda brainwashed you??? Or do you think that if Turkey, Israel, Pakistan, Belarus and even Russia helped Azerbaijan with weapons, intelligence and instructors, then everything is allowed to you ??? Insolence is your second happiness???
      1. Lyuba1965_01
        Lyuba1965_01 24 December 2022 22: 41
        +2
        Please take an interest in the ethnogenesis of Armenians and Azerbaijanis, and then say something.
        The fact that the Armenians are the autokhones of Transcaucasia has gone since the time of Stalin, for political purposes, when he wanted to take the land from Turkey under the pretext that they had long belonged to the Armenians.
        And also, ask what the "Mediterranean disease" is. Sometimes it is called the "Armenian disease"), which only Armenians suffer from in Transcaucasia, it is inherent in them at the genetic level.
        It is considered a disease of the peoples who inhabited the Mediterranean coast in ancient times.
        Every 16th Armenian suffers from periodic illness or familial Mediterranean fever (FMF), and every 4th is a carrier of one gene mutation.
        I wonder where it came from from the Armenians, if they are the autokhones of Transcaucasia?
        1. Romanovski
          Romanovski 25 December 2022 19: 44
          -2
          ""... The fact that the Armenians are the autokhones of Transcaucasia has gone since the time of Stalin, for political purposes, when he wanted to take the lands from Turkey under the pretext that they have long belonged to the Armenians ...." "".
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          Autochons? You probably mean AUTOCHTONS ... Practice more on your Russian grammar ... Yes, to your GREAT SORRY - STALIN was RIGHT and Eastern Anatolia (Western Armenia or the Armenian Highlands on medieval and ancient maps ...) - really belonged to Armenian people before the terrible Armenian Genocide in Turkey in 1915 .... And Armenia will return these lands ... Do not hesitate.
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          ""... It is considered a disease of the peoples who inhabited the Mediterranean coast in ancient times ...."".
          You contradict yourself ... Pay attention to the word "ancient" ... And as for the so-called "Mediterranean disease", you will somehow tell this pseudoscientific crap of yours in front of the Baku audience, which is 99% saturated from the primary classes of the cave armenophobia ... They will believe you with pleasure, but here in vain do not try to hang noodles on your ears ....
    3. Alebedev
      Alebedev 22 December 2022 18: 46
      0
      There is no Sarsakh Marsakh. There is a region of Azerbaijan called Karabakh.

      They said it was like from a textbook of Ukrainian history.
      Karabakh is the richest land in that region. Including archaeological finds. For Karabakh, for these fertile lands, there was a struggle all the time.
      And only 100 years ago, when, in fact, Azerbaijan arose, it also joined this struggle...
  5. Nikolay Malyugin
    Nikolay Malyugin 21 December 2022 08: 29
    +4
    This will continue indefinitely. In one place, the conflict was frozen for a while, but another problem arises. This is what the splitting of a large country into micro states leads to. And there is no need to look for the guilty. First of all, we are the ones to blame.
  6. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 21 December 2022 08: 38
    +1
    Azerbaijan's focus, as the Military Review (Zangezur corridor. Forty kilometers of geopolitics) has already reported, on Zangezur is due to Baku's desire to fully control South Transcaucasia.
    It seems to me that the author is greatly exaggerating - Azerbaijan just wants to get a direct transport corridor to its Nakhichevan autonomy. It's obvious what kind of Southern Transcaucasia is here ?!
    1. saigon
      saigon 21 December 2022 14: 33
      +2
      Azerbaijan's problem is not in Russia's position on the issue of the corridor, the problem is that Iran doesn't need to strengthen its Turkic allies.
    2. Romanovski
      Romanovski 22 December 2022 00: 23
      -2
      "....it's just that Azerbaijan wants to get a direct transport corridor to its Nakhichevan autonomy. It's obvious what kind of Southern Transcaucasia is here?!...""".
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      Seriously??? Didn't Azerbaijan want too much??? Baku and Through Iran and through Georgia can easily PASS to Nakhichevan, and Iran and Georgia do not interfere with it ... Armenia is also ready ON A MUTUAL BASIS TO UNLOCK ROADS and provide Azerbaijan with a road (and not an EXTERRITORIAL corridor ...) through Armenia to Nakhichevan .. .Please, and Armenia is ready to open its own roads for Baku, just as Baku promised to open its roads to the Russian Federation for Armenia ... But, Turkey and NATO demand that Baku precisely tear off some kind of extraterritorial CORRIDOR from Armenia, which will be outside the jurisdiction of Armenia, in order to TEAR ARMENIA from Iran and Iran from Armenia (Georgia and further to the Black Sea and Europe) ... And this is already impudence and for this they can get hit hard in the teeth from both Armenia and Iran ... Iran and Armenia are categorically against this so-called corridor and are ready to defend the Armenian (!!!...exactly) Zangezur with weapons in their hands. Why does it seem to Azerbaijan that they have the right to be constantly in the role of demanding, but Armenia cannot afford this ??? Let Baku not be impudent with its Pyrrhic victory in Karabakh and do not forget that Armenia also has demands on Azerbaijan ... And also, let Baku not forget that the Armenians know how to fight, if necessary, and the defeat of Azerbaijan in 1994 and in 2016 - that certificate...
  7. Vadim Topal Pasha
    Vadim Topal Pasha 21 December 2022 16: 26
    +7
    The article is not bad. Maps - I would like one more with the state of the front line for today and everything is in Russian.


    As for the Armenians as allies - big doubts Rather, the use of Russia in their own interests.
    1. Romanovski
      Romanovski 22 December 2022 00: 32
      -5
      ""... As for the Armenians as allies - bA-greater doubts Rather, the use of Russia in one's own interests ...""
      --
      You are being rude and slyly mistaken... Or maybe Russia is trying to trade in the interests of its CSTO ally (Armenia...)??? Haven't thought about it?? Or is it profitable for you and people like you to make unfounded claims against Armenia and out of the blue accuse Armenia of all sins???
      1. saigon
        saigon 23 December 2022 10: 06
        0
        Well, what else can you write at the moment Pashinyan deigned to blame our peacekeepers, ours!
        Neither the Turks nor the Mamedovs are to blame for our Russian soldiers, the President of Armenia is to blame for ours - an ally.
        1. Romanovski
          Romanovski 23 December 2022 19: 28
          -1
          "" ".... Pashinyan deigned to accuse ...""
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          Is it? Pashinyan does not blame the RF Ministry of Justice, but states the FACT that for 11 consecutive days the RF Ministry of Justice has for some reason not fulfilled its OBLIGATIONS to ENSURE UNOBSTRUCTED (!) Movement along the Lachin Corridor BETWEEN (!) Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh (NKR) ....
          1. saigon
            saigon 24 December 2022 06: 22
            +2
            There is no desire to argue my opinion and the attitude is my opinion.
            I don’t give a damn about what this president states there or not, he could just keep quiet a little.
            Now let them fight for Artsakh without Russian volunteers, good luck to them in this. Everybody .
            1. Romanovski
              Romanovski 24 December 2022 19: 23
              -2
              ""...Now let them go without Russian volunteers, they themselves are fighting for Artsakh, good luck to them in this. Everybody ...."
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              Thank you for your frankness ... And the citizens of Armenia and Artsakh are no strangers to fighting one-on-one with the INVADERS of Armenian land ... Armenia Defeated the regular Turkish army in Sardarapat in 1918 (google at your leisure) ... They defeated the attackers on Artsakh in 1994 and in 2016 - we will break through and now alone if necessary ... But at the expense of this provocative phrase of yours: "" ... Now let them go without Russian volunteers for Artsakh, good luck to them in this. all ......."" - I will answer this way: Real and true Russians somehow without you and people like you will sort out their affairs about Armenia and Karabakh, and you do not worry about this and do not fuss ...
              1. saigon
                saigon 25 December 2022 06: 25
                +2
                So I say thank your chief and the jumpers against Russia, now you are great and free, independent. And at 94, did volunteers from Russia really help you a little? Well then, all the more so alone and victory for you.
                1. Romanovski
                  Romanovski 25 December 2022 20: 00
                  -2
                  ""... So I say thank your chief and the jumpers against Russia, now you are great and free, independent. And at 94, did volunteers from Russia really help you a little? Well then, all the more so alone and victories for you .... ""
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                  There are no and will not be jumpers against Russia in Armenia ... Jump ropes on the Maidan in Kyiv are jumping ... Yes, independent people in Armenia also value their sovereignty ... And in Russia they also celebrate Independence Day ALSO and are proud of their sovereignty ... Or Russia you can be independent, but Armenia iiizzzzyayayaya ... ???
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                  """... And in 94, volunteers from Russia didn't help you a little?..."""
                  Yes, they helped LITTLE ... Among the 15000 Armenian fighters there were a maximum of 10-15 Russian volunteers, half of whom grew up in Armenia (Russian Old Believers ... there are 3 villages in Armenia) and are fluent in Armenian ... And they were awarded Armenian orders ... Some of them even received the Order of Courage (A. Motrich) ...
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                  "".... Well then, all the more so alone and victories for you ..."".
                  In the Victory of Armenia - I do not advise you to doubt ... Yes, for you - the Victory of the Armenians, in principle, is unpleasant, but you will have to come to terms with this.
                  Whether Armenians will fight alone or not alone - fortunately it’s not up to you to decide and not like you ...
                  1. ISKANDER_61
                    ISKANDER_61 30 December 2022 11: 03
                    0
                    And what do you remember about the Armenian terrorist attacks in the USSR in 5 in Moscow, an explosion in the metro, the last one on the Crimean bridge. Their impudent 5nationalist and bandit behavior towards Russians in the Stavropol Territory and the Krasnodar Territory. By google in youtube. I advise you. Pravdorub. Holy Armenians.
              2. gsev
                gsev 30 January 2023 16: 52
                -1
                Quote from Romanovski
                ..Armenia Defeated the regular Turkish army at Sardarapat in 1918

                If Armenia had been able to avoid wars with Turkey and Azerbaijan after 1918, its territory would have been much larger. When fighting against its neighbors, Armenia always lost its lands one on one. The arrival of Russia to the Caucasus allowed the Armenians to settle in this region without fear of harassment. During the collapse of Russia after World War I, the Armenians were expelled from the Kars region and Cilicia. With the collapse of the USSR from Baku. Moreover, many Armenians fled not to the state of Armenia, but directly to Russia, reasonably believing that it was safer there than in the Armenian state.
  8. nickname7
    nickname7 21 December 2022 20: 20
    +2
    Kapan and Kadazharan metallurgical plants

    The plants are probably private, registered offshore and owned by some kind of oligarch.
  9. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 21 December 2022 20: 30
    +2
    the long-range radar station should be transferred to mountainous Iran and forget this Transcaucasian tangle in Russia of problems above the roof and without these horsemen
    1. Alebedev
      Alebedev 22 December 2022 18: 50
      0
      the long-range radar station should be transferred to mountainous Iran and forget this Transcaucasian tangle in Russia of problems above the roof and without these horsemen
      Alexander Sergeevich Griboedov has already burned himself with this northern Iran.
  10. Vlad Gor
    Vlad Gor 21 December 2022 21: 46
    +2
    Dear author, we must think about the well-being of Russia. Let Armenia and Azerbaijan sort things out without the Russian Federation. The war is over, temporarily.
    Based on the results of the Azerbaijan-NKR (Armenia) war. The Russian Federation in the Caucasus and in the world suffered a crushing defeat. Turkey (NATO) is the winner. Turkey through Azerbaijan entered the territory of the Caspian Sea, Central Asia, to the borders of the Russian Federation. Turkey has shown how and with what to fight in the XNUMXst century. Turkey has strengthened its economy, reduced to zero oil and gas dependence on the Russian Federation. The defeat of the Russian Federation was to be expected. All former republics of the USSR (excluding Belarus) are striving to join NATO, including Armenia. Actions Armenia for the Russian Federation is not a partner or an ally, and there is no need to spend money on it.
    Lost victory. On the first day of the Azerbaijan-NKR (Armenia) war, it would be necessary to force the voluntary conclusion of an agreement between the Russian Federation, Azerbaijan, Armenia and the NKR on the entry of the NKR into Russia. The accession of the NKR to the Russian Federation, this would be a real victory for Russia.
    Now Turkey and Azerbaijan can seize the Syunik region of Armenia. Thus, the enclave of Nakhichevan will be connected to Baku. Baku will have a 20% increase in area and will have direct access to Turkey. The Russian Federation will not provide any assistance to Armenia, except for the Odessa noise. Georgia (NATO) will not allow Russian troops to enter Armenia. Iran is silent. The Russian Federation will not fight NATO because of Armenia.
    Turkey has already completed its immediate task in the Caucasus and has shown the whole world that Moscow is a dummy.
    1. Romanovski
      Romanovski 22 December 2022 00: 40
      -1
      "" ".... All the former republics of the USSR (excluding Belarus) are striving to join NATO, including Armenia. Actions Armenia for the Russian Federation is not a partner or an ally, and there is no need to spend money on it ..."" "
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      Seriously??? Oh how smart and wise you are!!! Bravo!!! You don’t have a head, but just some kind of House of Soviets ... Well done !!! But seriously, everything is exactly the opposite ... 1) Armenia does not aspire to join NATO ... 2) Friendship between the Russian Federation and Armenia will continue to grow stronger -UP TO ARMENIA'S ENTRY into the Union of Russia and Belarus ... 3) If Turkey and Azerbaijan will risk attacking Armenia with the aim of aggressively CAPTURE Zangezur, then they will get very hurt from both Armenia and Iran (ALWAYS supplies weapons to Armenia) and from Russia (always sold weapons to Armenia) and from India (already supplies weapons to Armenia) and from China. ... Let Baku not in vain hope for the help of Turkey and Israel in the war against Armenia ... It will break off strongly ...
    2. Romanovski
      Romanovski 24 December 2022 19: 27
      0
      """... The Russian Federation will not provide any assistance to Armenia, except for the Odessa noise. Georgia (NATO) will not allow Russian troops to enter Armenia. Iran will remain silent. The Russian Federation will not fight NATO because of Armenia...."
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      An absolutely erroneous point of view and crafty ... For Russia, if you subscribe from Odessa, then subscribe for Iran, Georgia, etc. - don't burn, because it's ridiculous... Better worry about the future and unenviable fate of the Promised Land...
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  12. Vadim Topal Pasha
    Vadim Topal Pasha 22 December 2022 16: 03
    0
    Quote from Romanovski
    ""... As for the Armenians as allies - bA-greater doubts Rather, the use of Russia in one's own interests ...""
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    You are being rude and slyly mistaken... Or maybe Russia is trying to trade in the interests of its CSTO ally (Armenia...)??? Haven't thought about it?? Or is it profitable for you and people like you to make unfounded claims against Armenia and out of the blue accuse Armenia of all sins???

    And where did I even mention Armenia in one word?
    If you find it, send me a stsylochku.
  13. AAlexander
    AAlexander 22 December 2022 16: 25
    0
    I don’t understand these Armenians. They demand to open the Lachin corridor, which is located on the territory of Azerbaijan. This can be understood. Armenians living in Karabakh need to have a land connection with Armenia. But the Armenians themselves stubbornly (to put it mildly) refuse to recognize exactly the same rights to have a similar corridor for Azerbaijanis living in the Nakhichevan enclave.