Uncertain future and known risks: rumors about the delivery of Patriot air defense systems to Ukraine

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Uncertain future and known risks: rumors about the delivery of Patriot air defense systems to Ukraine
Patriot complex on the march


Over the past months, the Kyiv regime has been dreaming of obtaining modern foreign anti-aircraft systems, incl. the advertised Patriot missile system. But all requests to provide American technology were naturally not fulfilled. However, the situation could change, and now the foreign press reports that the United States can supply its air defense systems, and in the very near future.



Offers and rejections


The possibility of the Patriots getting into Ukraine has been discussed almost since February, but no real measures have yet been taken. Moreover, it was directly said about the impossibility of transferring such equipment to the Kyiv regime. For example, at the end of November, another exchange of views on this issue took place between representatives of different countries.

At the beginning of the twentieth of November, the Polish Ministry of Defense came up with an interesting idea. It offered Germany to transfer several of its Patriot air defense systems to the Kyiv regime to strengthen Ukrainian air defense. The German military department predictably refused, and also recalled that such complexes are intended only for NATO countries and should only work in the organization's common air defense system.

However, a few days later, on November 29, the American Bloomberg news agency, citing its sources, reported that the NATO leadership was still studying the possibility of transferring Patriots and a number of other systems to the Kyiv regime. The probability of a positive decision was assessed as high.

On the same day, Pentagon spokesman Patrick Ryder once again announced that the United States was not going to transfer its Patriot air defense systems to Ukraine. Assistance in the field of air defense is provided through the supply of other modern systems, some of which have already come into the possession of Ukrainian formations.


A week after that, the Polish Ministry of Defense announced new plans. Now it is proposed to transfer a certain number of German air defense systems to Polish territory and place them near the Ukrainian border. On December 12, Polish President Andrzej Duda announced that the process of deploying the Patriots would begin in the coming days.

The issue is being resolved


Already on December 13, the following news about the hypothetical supply of air defense systems to Ukraine. The American television channel CNN, citing its sources in the state leadership, claims that the US presidential administration is still preparing plans to transfer Patriot products to the Kyiv regime.

At the time of publication, the preparation of plans was in its final stages. The finished document will have to be approved by Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin and President Joe Biden. CNN sources believe that they will allow the transmission of the complexes. The final decision can be made and announced as early as this week, i.е. until December 18th.

Details of the proposed delivery are not given. Modification of the complex allegedly planned for delivery, the number and composition of batteries, etc. unknown. The principles of transfer are also not specified. The equipment can be removed from service with the American army or provided by one of the European states.

Attempts by the press to obtain an official comment were generally unsuccessful. P. Ryder actually avoided answering, saying that the Pentagon had nothing to say about this. Then on December 14, the presidential administration announced that air defense systems would not be included in the next package of military technical assistance. Such statements are ambiguous, and therefore it is impossible to understand exactly what the American authorities had in mind.


AN/MPQ-65A detection radar

Uncertain situation


Despite all the discussions, requests and demands, to date the Kyiv regime has not received the Patriot air defense system. There were deliveries of other anti-aircraft systems, but modern American-made complexes have not yet been transferred. Moreover, it has been repeatedly said that it is impossible to provide such assistance for one reason or another.

However, the situation may change. Recently, Germany and Poland agreed on the transfer and deployment of air defense systems at a new location. Such measures are associated with the current hostilities in Ukraine and the need to strengthen the air defense of NATO's eastern borders. In addition, now the American press claims that the United States is ready to send its air defense systems directly to Ukraine.

Information about the new plans of the American leadership has not yet been confirmed, and it is unclear how true it is. It is quite possible that this is just another "sensation" from a publication with a dubious reputation, and the United States is not going to share its missile systems. Nevertheless, another option cannot be ruled out - Washington may indeed be planning such assistance through air defense.

If plans to send a Patriot to Ukraine are really being worked out, then a number of questions arise. First of all, it is interesting why the US has dramatically changed its position on supplies. I would also like to know how many complexes are ready to allocate, how the supply of materiel will be organized and operation will be organized. It cannot be ruled out that the "Patriots" will not do without American military specialists.

The Problem of Efficiency


Finally, the effectiveness of the combat use of air defense systems, allegedly planned for delivery, is questionable. In general, the characteristics of the Patriot complex of the main modifications are well known. The results of using this technique in various conflicts are also known. All this already allows making preliminary estimates.


Launcher on duty

"Patriot" in all versions is a medium-range air defense system designed to cover important objects and areas with long-term work in one position. The development of the first version of such a complex was completed in the early eighties, and in 1982 it entered service. Subsequently, several upgrades were carried out, and in 2001 the last modification of the PAC-3 with expanded anti-aircraft and anti-missile capabilities began service.

The air defense system includes AN / MPQ-53 and AN / MPQ-65 radar stations. They are designed to detect and track aerodynamic and ballistic targets at ranges of at least 150-180 km. Data from the radar is sent to the battery command post; it may also receive information from other sources. Support is provided for 125 targets with missile guidance on 6 of them.

The air defense system includes several towed launchers with an inclined launch. Patriot uses MIM-104 anti-aircraft guided missiles, four per installation, and ERINT anti-missiles (16 units each). For aerodynamic purposes, the missile launch range is up to 100 km, altitude - up to 25 km. The launch range for a ballistic target is 45 km, the height is up to 20 km.

"Patriot" is intended to combat aviation the enemy, as well as to intercept ballistic missiles and a variety of high-precision weapons. During tests and exercises, the complex repeatedly demonstrated its capabilities and confirmed the design characteristics.

However, the complex has drawbacks that negatively affect the results of combat use. So, during the Gulf War and during the recent events on the Arabian Peninsula, Patriot air defense systems of previous modifications showed low efficiency when working on ballistic and complex aerodynamic targets. It is alleged that in the latest modification of the PAC-3 these issues were resolved, but this has not yet been confirmed in a combat situation.


MIM-104 rocket launch

The ability of the Patriot to effectively deal with Russian aircraft or missiles raises doubts. The fact is that in recent decades, this air defense system was considered as one of the main threats - and its capabilities were taken into account when creating new equipment and weapons. Accordingly, domestic samples have one or another protection against the American air defense system, and are also capable of delivering retaliatory strikes.

As the practice of recent months has shown, the Russian army has a whole range of various means for destroying enemy air defenses. Individual assets or entire complexes can be destroyed by aviation using various missiles, cruise missiles and new types of UAVs, as well as operational-tactical systems. All these means can be applied to the "Patriots", and not without success.

An important factor in this context will be the number of air defense systems delivered and their placement. A small number of complexes will not allow Ukraine to seriously strengthen its air defense and create a previously announced layered system. At the same time, it will not prevent our reconnaissance from searching for the firing positions of the complexes, and striking weapons from hitting them.

Reputation blow


Despite the latest news, the supply of Patriot air defense systems to Ukraine is still in doubt. The Kyiv regime wishes to receive such equipment as soon as possible, but the position of official Washington is not yet clear. Obviously, he wants to help an ally and provide him with certain weapons, but such assistance should be consistent with the goals and objectives of the United States, and also not lead to risks.

Apparently, at the moment the Pentagon does not have "extra" air defense systems that could be painlessly transferred to Ukraine. Other countries, too, will not agree to weaken their defenses in order to help a foreign regime. In addition, there are image risks. Advertised foreign weapons do not show themselves in Ukraine in the best way and only cope well with the role of targets for Russian systems. It is unlikely that the US plans to spoil the reputation of its most famous anti-aircraft system and risk future sales.
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  1. -8
    15 December 2022 05: 19
    FB:

    And in order not to get up twice, about the Patriots, which the United States will still put on Ukrainians.
    This was also expected.
    Of the pluses for us, we can note the moment that we were preparing specifically for the Patriot air defense system. For decades they have been creating special weapons, electronic warfare and other uberfafles, which are intended to hit this particular air defense system. That is, they were preparing to fight precisely with the Patriot air defense system.
    The characteristics of this air defense system are relatively modest, but, of course, it cannot be underestimated.
    I think everyone understands this very well too, they don’t need image losses, so they will hide these air defense systems in the deepest rear, surround Kyiv with them, for example. And as our troops approach the western borders, they will be pulled further and further, using them to protect against the attacks of Caliber, Iskander and Khashek.
    Of the minuses for us, this is an almost endless supply of missiles for these complexes in the West.
    Therefore, it is necessary to hit the radar in the first place, and not the launchers.
    1. +9
      15 December 2022 07: 09
      1.
      Of the pluses for us, we can note the moment that we were preparing specifically for the Patriot air defense system. For decades they have been creating special weapons, electronic warfare and other uberfafles, which are intended to hit this particular air defense system. That is, they were preparing to fight precisely with the Patriot air defense system.

      Very untimely bragging, how many times have such "journalists-experts" framed our army. Therefore, first the case, then the conclusions.
      2. We must always proceed from the worst situation and prepare for it, and do not rely on the stupidity, greed, mercy of the enemy.
      3. No one has yet won military operations with brave reports.
      1. -6
        15 December 2022 07: 30
        Firstly, this is a fighter-bomber, and not a journalist, and secondly, it was the patriots who planted all and sundry on the kukan, a monument to Aramko that burned down three times
        1. +9
          15 December 2022 10: 57
          Firstly, this is a fighter-bomber, not a journalist,

          You don't need to drag this junkie here.

          February 24 if anything
          1. +1
            15 December 2022 11: 57
            hi
            Hmm, but to me it seems funny at times, for example, at 22:24 on 14.12.22/XNUMX/XNUMX.
            winked
            We begin to guess the song according to the description of the military pilot!
            The song that "will return, otherwise everything is in vain": "This publication is here only for you to hear this song once again.
            This is a musical ///////.
            In an instant, this song became our national hit and anthem.
            The anthem of my generation.
            My anthem.
            She took her breath away and her heart began to beat faster and faster.
            Under this song, we grew up, made friends, studied, fell in love, hoped and believed that it was waiting for us ahead.
            Light, clean, ////// //////.
            Our //////.
            No one had any doubts that it would be ////.
            And then they stole it from us.
            Another country appeared, other values, other concepts, and listening to such songs became out of line, not prestigious, not fashionable and not stylish.
            And there were no such songs.
            But somewhere deep - deep inside, I believe and hope that they will return.
            Otherwise it's all for nothing.
            "
            (c) FB

            Guessed?!
            1. +4
              15 December 2022 12: 48
              The anthem of my generation.
              My anthem.
              She took her breath away and her heart began to beat faster and faster.
              Under this song, we grew up, made friends, studied, fell in love, hoped and believed that it was waiting for us ahead.

              Guessed?!

              Is it really that incorruptible
              1. +4
                15 December 2022 13: 30
                Yes, that's her.
                Well, the meaning is almost the same, although there are some deviations from the original music and poetry. For example, instead of "don't be cruel to me, don't be cruel" just "aaa.... aaaaaa... aaa... aaaaaa".

                Taking this opportunity, I would like to emphasize: the USSR was rich in talents!
                What heartfelt songs were sung by traffic police officers!
                And what telegram bloggers turned out of fighter-bomber pilots!
                It's expensive.
          2. 0
            16 December 2022 10: 59
            It was not taken into account that the deliveries come from the west, otherwise the sky would have long been empty of Ukrainian aviation.
        2. +1
          15 December 2022 11: 45
          Quote from Bingo
          Firstly, this is a fighter-bomber, and not a journalist, and secondly, it was the patriots who planted all and sundry on the kukan, a monument to Aramko that burned down three times

          Why do you think we are all fools? No one knows for sure the number of people working in the "fighterbomber" tegram channel, no one can say for sure at all whether he himself writes something there or not, or for a long time the entire editorial office is one for half of the military correspondents. Since the same messages on all channels at once. You can delete the rest altogether.
      2. +11
        15 December 2022 09: 03
        Quote: Civil
        what specifically under the Patriot air defense system we were preparing. For decades they have been creating special weapons, electronic warfare and other uberfafles, which are intended to beat this particular air defense system.

        )))
        How "we" prepared for the S-300, early-series Beeches and Stingers in 10 months, everyone saw. With Patriot it will be much easier of course.
    2. 0
      15 December 2022 14: 36
      These installations are so “good” that while guarding oil production and processing enterprises in one of the southeastern countries, 10 out of 10 Iranian UAVs missed. The Patriot radar simply did not see them. And if you add up all the data on these complexes on leaks and from the media, then low-flying small-sized targets are a big problem for them. Although, it can be assumed that they carry out deliveries to their allies in a castrated version.
    3. -4
      15 December 2022 15: 24
      However, how hurt everyone who was masturbating on the Patriots))) And they have a FB drunk drug addict and 22 released Patriots on a single rusty Iraqi SCAD, which, moreover, they still didn’t shoot down - this is a powerful air defense system laughing
      1. +2
        17 December 2022 16: 07
        "Patriot", in principle, could replace some of the knocked-out S-300s of the first modifications, because at best it corresponds to them, but with worse capabilities for low-altitude targets. Fighting them is no more difficult than it was with the S-300, but if they (the Patriots) are installed, then no more than 4 ... well, a maximum of 6 batteries, and they will most likely cover Kyiv, well, maybe even Odessa.
        Quote from Bingo
        22 Patriots produced on a single rusty Iraqi SCAD

        It was, it was hotly discussed, they have been trying to modernize since then, they studied our first S-300s for such modernization (mainly algorithms), but Iskander-M is unlikely to be too tough for them. As for the interception of the KR, the WWI zone is practically not visible to them at all ... this is such a technical feature of the radar. And for inconspicuous and low-speed UAVs ... here are the visibility zones on the WWI, and the algorithms for the high-speed cutoff of the Doppler radar, and its sensitivity. So only against high-altitude aerodynamic targets ... which are practically non-existent on theaters now ... Although against the X-22 they will / can be quite effective.
  2. -3
    15 December 2022 05: 41
    Whether or not the Patriots are placed in Ukraine is not so important (Ukraine has long turned into a NATO training ground and rear base) ... it is important to be ready for their use by the enemy ... if possible, capture them or destroy them with a guarantee.
    I hope that it will be like that.
    1. +2
      15 December 2022 14: 16
      How is NATO's "rear" located on the border with the Russian Federation? Do you understand what you are writing?
  3. -3
    15 December 2022 05: 42
    And who will serve and operate the "Patriots"? You have to study for it. Or will they put their own people at the controls, or maybe the Germans or Poles?
    1. +10
      15 December 2022 06: 32
      Quote: Amateur
      And who will serve and operate the "Patriots"? You have to study for it. Or will they put their own people at the controls, or maybe the Germans or Poles?

      Ukrainians apparently have been teaching how to work on it for several months. Usually, messages about the transfer of new systems appear when specialists have already been trained on them.
    2. +3
      15 December 2022 09: 04
      Quote: Amateur
      who will serve and operate the "Patriots"? Need to learn from it

      How would you say. 300 days have passed.
  4. -1
    15 December 2022 05: 56
    Quote: Amateur
    And who will serve and operate the "Patriots"? You have to study for it. Or will they put their own people at the controls, or maybe the Germans or Poles?

    And the NATO members will be imprisoned smile they will provide them with documents of the military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and put them in jail ... this is elementary Dr. Watson. request
    1. -3
      15 December 2022 05: 59
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      they will provide them with documents of the military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and put them in jail ...

      And they will foam at the mouth to prove that they are not mercenaries, but this is ANOTHER ...
    2. +1
      15 December 2022 09: 06
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      they will provide them with documents of the military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and put them in jail ..

      What for? Even if operators "advisers" are needed, why invent something?
  5. -3
    15 December 2022 05: 57
    The Polish Ministry of Defense announced new plans. Now it is proposed to transfer a certain number of German air defense systems to Polish territory and place them near the Ukrainian border.

    A clear provocation.
    It is not difficult to imagine what will happen if a Patriot deployed on the territory of Poland hits a Russian aircraft in the sky of Ukraine.
    So it is unlikely that Washington will give the go-ahead for this.
    1. +1
      15 December 2022 06: 04
      You can guess. But what will happen is the question.
    2. +1
      15 December 2022 08: 27
      hi
      With all due respect, even if we imagine that in Poland the Patriots stand at the border with Ukraine 2 meters away, then, to put it mildly, the Patriot kill zone will be where Russian planes do not fly.
      IMHO, Poland requires German Patriots to be able to send even more of their air defense systems to Ukraine. Like Slovakia with the S300, the German Patriots arrived in Slovakia, the S300 left for the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
    3. +2
      15 December 2022 09: 46
      Quote: Comrade
      It is not difficult to imagine what will happen if a Patriot deployed on the territory of Poland hits a Russian aircraft in the sky of Ukraine.

      Are you writing from February 2022?

      Nothing will happen. Firstly, because VKS aircraft do not fly near the borders of Poland. And where they fly - there they are completely landed by anything, including completely American stingers.
    4. 0
      15 December 2022 13: 54
      And that will be? Everyone has already seen enough of the infinitely flexible red lines.
    5. 0
      15 December 2022 22: 53
      What will happen, what will happen .... Another red line will be drawn .... Zebra, damn it ...
  6. +8
    15 December 2022 06: 11
    Quote: Comrade
    So it is unlikely that Washington will give the go-ahead for this.

    Will give the go-ahead ... for the first time or something.
    Even if our plane is shot down by a Patriot, nothing will happen ... a raid on the airfields of our strategists, undermining SP1 and SP2 clearly showed this ... nothing will happen for this ... the Kremlin's impotence is in full view.
    1. +1
      16 December 2022 00: 00
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Quote: Comrade
      So it is unlikely that Washington will give the go-ahead for this.

      Will give the go-ahead ... for the first time or something.
      Even if our plane is shot down by a Patriot, nothing will happen ... a raid on the airfields of our strategists, undermining SP1 and SP2 clearly showed this ... nothing will happen for this ... the Kremlin's impotence is in full view.

      And what happened when hundreds of American aircraft were brought down by Soviet complexes over Vietnam?
  7. -5
    15 December 2022 06: 11
    Air defense deliveries mean that Ukraine is already in NATO. Personally, I live well under Putin, there is a good education and a sea of ​​​​opportunities in Russia under him. But the policy of appeasing the West led Russia to the bloodiest war since World War II. The West has expanded to the East and this is a threat to Russia in the future. The West is poking knives at us, killing our citizens in Donetsk, and in return we give oil, gas and other resources. Russia can easily strike at the nuclear power industry, where it holds 50% of the market in fuel, but this is not happening. Putin's policy has led to the fact that NATO, represented by Stolenberg, directly shouts that Russia must lose and be destroyed. Stolenberg is happy with the expansion of NATO, and a new springboard for attack. NATO feels no pressure. But it is easy to create it, for example, to transfer a nuclear repository to the border of Norway and to the center of Eastern Europe in Kaliningrad. And then hint that in the event of an attack, all this will fly into the air, which will lead to the destruction of Scandinavia and Eastern Europe. Bordering countries will think twice before offering their territories for invasion. Most of all, the West shave precisely nuclear weapons, why not start placing them on ships. By the way, tactical nuclear munitions for artillery are almost useless, it is better to equip them with long-range torpedoes for 100+ km. I often hear from our government that it requires a guarantee for Russia from the West, but the best guarantee is what we can do ourselves. If the West knows that in the event of an attack it will be finished, there is no better guarantee and security for Russia.
  8. -1
    15 December 2022 06: 11
    Quote: Comrade
    It is not difficult to imagine what will happen if a Patriot deployed on the territory of Poland hits a Russian aircraft in the sky of Ukraine.

    DAM will puff out her cheeks again?
    But Western kits for Bknder's "cast iron" speak volumes. If the United States is going to modernize the Ukrainian FABs, then there is a calculation on Bender's "ghosts of Kyiv." It turns out that the Nazis' aviation is not so bad.
    The main thing is to what level do the Americans "pull up" the FABs? How long will they fly, 70 or 130 kilometers.
  9. +5
    15 December 2022 06: 17
    The article is worse than the usual template article of the cycle "New weapons will be supplied to Ukraine, but it is unlikely to be of any use." There is no simplicity and brightness, the topic is not fully disclosed. The word "doubt" is used to refer to Patriot's ability to effectively deal with Russian aircraft or missiles. What doubts? It will rot just as uselessly and ineffectually as all the other Hymars with javelins. For a long time, by the way, destroyed, and more than once.

    If without irony, then I will answer the question in the article:
    I wonder why the US has dramatically changed its position on supplies.

    They changed it, because they believe that Russia has agreed with Iran on the supply of ballistic missiles, against which Ukraine's air defense is almost powerless. But the Patriot somehow knows how to shoot them down.
    1. +2
      15 December 2022 10: 24
      Absolutely.
      For some time now, the United States and NATO have had a reinforced concrete excuse: since Russia is destroying Ukraine’s infrastructure with missile strikes, in particular, destroying electricity supply, endangering the lives and health of civilians in sub-zero temperatures, we must and simply must give Ukraine modern air defense / missile defense to protect . What are you digging for here? Within the meaning of? In spirit?
      As for the article, it is not surprising. There has already been a whole series of similar ones. But I see this passage for the first time: "The advertised foreign weapons do not show themselves in Ukraine in the best way and only cope well with the role of targets for Russian systems."
      Every cheer-patriot needs to hang this author's saying in a frame above his head. When will he once again recall the number of Hymers destroyed according to the reports of our Defense Ministry.
      1. -2
        15 December 2022 14: 50
        Quantity reports are possibly correct. But in the first place, the installations delivered can and probably more than stated. Secondly, no one has canceled decoys. Thirdly, other means of destruction were taken for installations. In addition, struck does not mean destroyed. Returned to service after repair.
        Well, there is just a technique in appearance strongly reminiscent of these Chimeras and others. Well, besides this, some of the missiles fired are not missiles of these installations, but adopted for them.
  10. -3
    15 December 2022 06: 26
    Quote: Proctologist
    Russia agreed with Iran on the supply of ballistic missiles,

    Where are Billy's proofs?
    1. +2
      15 December 2022 09: 48
      puffs of what? What is the USA count them. that Iran agreed with Russia?

      Um. Well, here is the BBC text, for example: All reasons why this decision has not been fast, and Ukraine's initial pleas for the Patriots were ignored. But the threat of Iran supplying Russia with long-range ballistic missiles has changed the equation.

      https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63977645
      1. -3
        15 December 2022 14: 56
        Yes, there is nothing like that. Iran us the technology and production of UAVs. We are Iranian aviation. There were references that Iranian pilots had begun mastering the MiG-35 and other Su-type aircraft. They choose the best for themselves. And perhaps the supplies have already begun based on the military-political situation and threats to Iran from the United States.
        1. +1
          16 December 2022 11: 14
          What other MiG-35 for Iran? Where will it come from and, most importantly, who will want to take it?
          1. 0
            16 December 2022 15: 51
            An excellent machine as a tactical fighter. And taking into account our modern aviation missile weapons and the capabilities of airborne radars, in terms of capability and range, as well as the price, it is just very suitable for the Iranian Air Force. By the way, he already did. It actually passed the tests, and it seems that a small series was being prepared for sale to one of the countries, but it didn’t grow together, it turned out to be more finicky and, based on the corruption component of their Air Force commander, they bought it from the French
  11. -7
    15 December 2022 08: 28
    The sooner they put it, the sooner you will have to look for the MEDICINE. Our KULIBINS will come up with not the worst screw with a left-hand thread.
    1. -2
      15 December 2022 15: 14
      So what to look for. The methods of counteraction are the same as from air-to-air missiles, maneuvering and so on. Plus, work from low altitudes or high altitudes, above the ceiling of American missiles. Well, knocking out radar stations - we have very good anti-radar missiles. In addition, due to the high speeds and size of the missile, they have problems with maneuvering when pointing, especially since time is lost turning the missiles towards the target before launch. Moreover, they have a contact defeat, and not a field of fragments like ours. That is, this is a purely object-based missile defense tool of a non-ideal type.
      The Americans boasted of their air defense when they fought in Iraq that they intercepted almost all SCAD missiles. So, as their high-ranking striker admitted, recently their air defense then
      intercepted no more than 15-20 percent of the missiles fired.
      And they did not manage to destroy installations with missiles at all. What was shown by several, captured due to the failure of the tractors and abandoned by the Iraqis.
  12. -4
    15 December 2022 10: 58
    Quote: Proctologist
    Does the United States believe that Iran has agreed with Russia?

    They think so belay original ... but I think that in the White House green aliens are sitting in Biden's body ... it's painfully inadequate at times.
  13. exo
    +3
    15 December 2022 11: 03
    As the practice of recent months has shown, the Russian army has a whole range of various means for destroying enemy air defenses.

    Taking into account the fact that our aviation operates only on the line of contact, there are big doubts about the availability of these means (or the ability to use them). If Ukraine is reinforced with Patriot, it will be very bad.
  14. -2
    15 December 2022 11: 50
    If plans to send a Patriot to Ukraine are really being worked out, then a number of questions arise. First of all, it is interesting why the US has dramatically changed its position on supplies. I would also like to know how many complexes are ready to allocate, how the supply of materiel will be organized and operation will be organized. It cannot be ruled out that the "Patriots" will not do without American military specialists.

    Yesterday at Solovyov's on the radio, someone discussed this topic.
    and came to an interesting conclusion that ours are bothering some kind of headquarters structures on the territory of 404. And where the Patriots will be located is the location of these structures.
  15. -1
    16 December 2022 07: 14
    They will deliver, they won't deliver, they won't give.... And over all this, the question is, when will the supply channels and, first of all, fuel and lubricants be destroyed? Strikes on the energy sector primarily hit the population, causing anger and unity of our fellow countrymen with all the consequences. There is a cemetery in Germany along Barut, where, as a result of a joyful movement forward, the tank brigade was destroyed, as it was left without fuel, four people were saved, who took out the banner on the tank (the solarium was drained from all tanks). Why? And the answer is because it is beneficial for politicians to wage this war, including our oligarchs. By the way, the Ukrainians themselves declare this.
  16. -1
    16 December 2022 10: 36
    The news is not encouraging. If the outdated S-300s and Buks actually forbade our aircraft from flying beyond the line of contact, then the appearance of American air defense systems can finally "land" aviation. Its small size makes any losses unacceptable, and now even the potential threat of inflicting losses by the forces of pin.dos air defense systems can completely paralyze combat work in the air.
    Not to mention that now cruise missile strikes will be met with much stronger opposition and their effectiveness may decrease.
    The only thing that pleases me is that, most likely, on all kinds of TV shows there will be no squatting dances of experts who would joyfully squeal that we are disposing of these air defense systems like two fingers on asphalt. The sad experience of not disposing of the tanks, artillery and MLRS "Haimars" delivered to the Wehrmacht, forced these experts to cover their hawks.
  17. -1
    16 December 2022 10: 56
    A Patriot, even a new one, a piece of crap designed to supplement fighter aircraft, is nothing in itself.
  18. 0
    16 December 2022 11: 03
    Accordingly, domestic samples have one or another protection against the American air defense system, and are also capable of delivering retaliatory strikes.

    But here's the thing, on board the plane is a device called "this or that protection against the Patriot." Yes, and a unique ability to shoot at the Patriots in response ... The author writes better and better every day (sarcasm)
  19. 0
    17 December 2022 14: 34
    Why Patriot in Ukraine? What should he do?
    1. Patriot - long-range air defense systems. Aviation and KR fly in Ukraine in WWI, at long range at such heights, targets are not fired upon.
    2. It is difficult to use the Patriot as the S-300PS due to the significantly longer deployment / collapse time.
    3. The RF Armed Forces do not use BR in Ukraine.
    What will he do?
  20. 0
    21 December 2022 10: 47
    It is already known that the "Patriots" will give.
    Question: is this the intersection of another red line or is it just redrawn side by side as usual?
  21. 0
    17 January 2023 08: 31
    When there are no Ukrainians left in Ukraine, then the patriots will put it ....

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