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Voenkor: The only guarantee of long-term peace for Russia will be depriving Ukraine of the opportunity to maintain armed formations

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Voenkor: The only guarantee of long-term peace for Russia will be depriving Ukraine of the opportunity to maintain armed formations

Periodically appearing information that Western military assistance to Kyiv is about to dry up, in fact, does not correspond to reality at all. Washington and its satellites have not been preparing Ukraine for a military confrontation with Russia for many years in order to end the conflict so easily. Even taking into account the really devastating arsenals and the difficulties with the rapid reproduction of the necessary weapons to replenish it. But to force Kyiv to agree to some kind of truce with Moscow, even at the expense of “temporary renunciation” of already lost territories, is clearly beneficial for the West.


But such a scenario is absolutely not in the interests of Russia, according to the author of the telegram channel, the military commander of Older Edda. The very fact of preserving Ukraine as a single state, and even under the control of the existing regime, will mean the success of NATO and the defeat of Russia. Even if the Ukrainian leadership agrees to the recognition of the already lost territories as subjects of the Russian Federation. The Telegram blogger is sure that the only guarantee of peace for Russia on the western borders in the future is to deprive Ukraine of the right and opportunity to maintain armed groups, except perhaps the police.

The author argues his position by the fact that the United States has already announced plans to increase the production of 155-mm shells to half a million per year or more by 2025. Taking into account the production of ammunition at the enterprises of NATO allies, this figure could be a million or more. The West has begun and will continue to increase the production of other types of weapons, including guided ones, military equipment, including combat drones and aircraft.

This will allow to continue and increase the supply of weapons to Kyiv, so that the Ukrainian army, which has restored its strength, can again provoke a military confrontation with Russia. At the same time, the blogger is sure that the difficult economic situation within the country will only contribute to the fact that the number of people who want to serve in the Ukrainian army and receive a stable salary with bonuses for participating in military operations will only grow.

And the Nazi propaganda, which is still working, being launched to the fullest, will only contribute to this process.

— predicts the author of the post.

It is only possible to avoid a repeated military clash with Nazi Ukraine, which has resumed its strength at the expense of Western assistance, only through the complete victory of Russia and depriving the country of the right and opportunity to maintain armed formations larger than the police.

But for this, Ukraine will have to be defeated - otherwise the second war, more difficult and dangerous than now, is inevitable.

- the military commander is sure.

In principle, the demilitarization of Ukraine without the possibility of restoring military capability in the future is one of the goals and objectives of the NVO, which was outlined at the very beginning of the special operation by the President of the Russian Federation. But the hints of a truce at the expense of keeping the liberated territories within the Russian Federation, sounding more and more often from various officials, both in the West and in Russia, cause quite justified fears in Russian society. Such a half-measure, a respite associated with it for Kyiv and its allies, is clearly in the interests of Washington and NATO. Today's confrontation between Russia and its enemies can only end with our complete victory, otherwise everything will repeat itself, but, most likely, in a worse scenario for us.
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  1. Ivan Ivanov
    Ivan Ivanov 13 December 2022 12: 07
    +12
    The only guarantee of peace will be the deprivation of Ukraine of the ideology of political Ukrainianism, because there is no other idea in it, except for separatism and Nazism.
    1. credo
      credo 13 December 2022 12: 33
      +3
      Quote: IvanIvanov
      The only guarantee of peace will be the deprivation of Ukraine of the ideology of political Ukrainianism, because there is no other idea in it, except for separatism and Nazism.

      Depriving an ideology is not tantamount to depriving a wallet from one's pocket, because ideology cannot simply be withdrawn due to the fact that it is formed in the brain.

      For 45 years since the end of the Great Patriotic War, the USSR has not been able to save part of the population of the former Ukrainian SSR from worshiping Bandera and the UPA, despite the fact that the entire huge country invested in the well-being of the Ukrainian SSR, but it turned out to be what it has.

      Previously, Austria-Hungary, Poland and Germany, and now the United States and the EU, solve the issue of the destruction of Russian ideology and the Russian world simply and naturally, exterminating both the bearers of this ideology and historical facts, but Russia cannot do this.
      Hence the question - "How to exterminate the Nazi and misanthropic ideology, if it" blooms and smells "in full bloom" throughout Europe and in the USA? recourse
      1. Ivan Ivanov
        Ivan Ivanov 13 December 2022 13: 04
        +1
        The general recipe is clear - they realize the problem, set a task, select a team for it, get rid of the ballast, prepare the population (ideology, culture, education), the economy, create a strong alliance of interested players and move on. The recipe for victory does not guarantee, but guarantees at least a feeling - he did everything he could in the circumstances offered, because. physical survival is at stake. In our country, no matter what point you touch - the economy, education, personnel, allies - purple jelly is everywhere. To start at least with a simple one - to call (on any sites) opponents Nazis, (choose epithets according to the format) and not APU, VFU, Ukrainian soldiers, military personnel, militants. Change the TV grid so that all fellow citizens understand that there is a war going on, and not something military somewhere out there. Without a military victory over the u..k.r.o.p.e.y.ts.a.m.i, of course, we will not be able to do anything. After the military victory - only truthful information about the origins and formation of Ukrainians. The USSR made the mistake of recognizing (albeit forcedly) a separate Ukrainian nation
        1. Ivan Ivanov
          Ivan Ivanov 13 December 2022 13: 39
          0
          The USSR, of course, tried to create a sane alternative, where nationality did not stick out with or without reason, hoping to integrate hard-nosed Westerners into it. What came of this, you know why - you need to figure it out. By the way, Belarusians have a close history - on the other side (and in the first post-Soviet years) they have BCHB, the same collaborators and Nazis, Lukashenka and parts of the political class have so far managed to maintain a near-Soviet identity with a more or less honest recognition of history.
      2. nickname7
        nickname7 13 December 2022 17: 45
        0
        For 45 years since the end of the Great Patriotic War, the USSR has not managed to save part of the population of the former Ukrainian SSR from worshiping Bandera

        The USSR itself carried out enhanced Ukrainianization and gave a lot of land to a potentially hostile country.
    2. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 13 December 2022 12: 34
      +11
      The only question that remains is how Russia can achieve this. So far, even the liberation of the entire territory of the DPR is not visible in the coming months.
      1. Chuck-norris
        Chuck-norris 13 December 2022 12: 42
        +2
        The only question that remains is how Russia can achieve this. So far, even the liberation of the entire territory of the DPR is not visible in the coming months.


        There is a joke on the net: "They say that 2/5 of Artyomovsk will be taken by 2024." But in every joke...
        1. Uprun
          Uprun 13 December 2022 13: 14
          0
          I came up with it myself, laughed myself, a comedian, and it will reach the piano without hands .....
          1. Chuck-norris
            Chuck-norris 13 December 2022 13: 29
            -1
            And in fact what? Skakly knocked out our troops from several regions, several of OUR cities the Russian troops surrendered without a fight. And the horsemen steadfastly and stubbornly defend every meter of their land, Mariupol and Artemovsk are especially indicative, they fought to the death in the first, and they are in no hurry to surrender the second.
            1. Uprun
              Uprun 13 December 2022 13: 32
              -3
              And is this a joke? In 1941, he would have "humored" with wet pants near the wall.
              1. Chuck-norris
                Chuck-norris 13 December 2022 14: 10
                +1
                In 1941, he would have "humored" with wet pants near the wall.

                Exactly, exactly, as well as several million more people on false denunciations. Nothing, women still give birth, right?
                1. Uprun
                  Uprun 13 December 2022 16: 01
                  -2
                  So these are the ones who "humored" with false denunciations.
        2. Johnson Smithson
          Johnson Smithson 13 December 2022 13: 58
          +2
          They say that 2/5 of Artyomovsk will be taken by 2024

          if, at the same time, by 2024 the entire Armed Forces of Ukraine will fall near Artemovsk, then why not, it will also suit,
          the goal of the NWO is not the seizure of territory, but the cleansing of the army and weapons
          1. Chuck-norris
            Chuck-norris 13 December 2022 14: 15
            -1
            if, at the same time, by 2024 the entire Armed Forces of Ukraine will fall near Artemovsk, then why not, it will also suit,
            There are still many years of mobilization potential. And when they run out, Poland is next in line. Find a suggestion.
      2. Ivan Ivanov
        Ivan Ivanov 13 December 2022 12: 43
        +4
        Without a military victory in any way, of course.
      3. prodi
        prodi 13 December 2022 13: 20
        0
        it is very likely that they switched to plan B, to squeeze out the "undesirable" population from the territory of the former Ukraine (someone to the coffin, some abroad)
      4. ABC-schutze
        ABC-schutze 13 December 2022 13: 36
        +2
        And there will be no quick solution. Only the Russian miserable hat throwers "planners" of the NVO from the Moscow Region, the General Staff and the FSB could "assume" him ...

        As for the military commander, I completely agree with him. With the addition of not just "deprivation", but the IRREVERSIBLE deprivation of any regime that will remain on the territory of the former united Ukraine after the IRREVERSIBLE denazification of the Kyiv Nazis, the possibility of militarization in the future
    3. _simply
      _simply 13 December 2022 12: 50
      0
      We need control over the activities of the political elite of the former Ukraine. The only way. We know how truces end.
      1. SKVichyakow
        SKVichyakow 13 December 2022 15: 20
        0
        Quote: _simply
        We need control over the activities of the political elite of the former Ukraine. The only way. We know how truces end.

        I think we do not need this elite at all. There should be a new, pro-Russian one.
        1. _simply
          _simply 13 December 2022 22: 12
          0
          So, oversight is also needed for the pro-Russian one ... Moreover, money will play an important role in this matter.
  2. dmi.pris1
    dmi.pris1 13 December 2022 12: 12
    +9
    So the Armed Forces of Ukraine maintain and supply not Ukraine, but the West. And not only. Negotiating with them is complete nonsense. Only destruction, At the top, the comrade correctly noted
  3. Leshak
    Leshak 13 December 2022 12: 13
    +12
    You say a truce, are the Minsk agreements not enough? Rest, strengthen then it will be even more difficult. Only a complete victory for Russia, otherwise no way.
  4. kor1vet1974
    kor1vet1974 13 December 2022 12: 13
    +10
    The very fact of preserving Ukraine as a single state, and even under the control of the existing regime, will mean the success of NATO and the defeat of Russia.
    Because, not before the chopped forest, it grows again .. In 2015, it was not up to the felling ..
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      1. seacap
        seacap 13 December 2022 15: 28
        +1
        They (to know) were glad to be deceived themselves, before they were not milked there and how sticky they were peeled off, they did not connect their future with this country, using it only as a source of income and personal enrichment, investing all their funds in foreign economies and real estate, acquiring other citizenships and collections of passports. On the same basis, no deoffshorization was carried out, which gave reason to Western services to consider these funds illegal and subject to seizure in their own pocket.
  5. Evgenijus
    Evgenijus 13 December 2022 12: 20
    +2
    Today's confrontation between Russia and its enemies can only end with our complete victory, otherwise everything will repeat itself, but, most likely, in a worse scenario for us.

    Absolutely correct conclusion on the situation in Ukraine. All other options lead to the victory of the West over Russia with the consequences. The West will put its dirty paw on our territory, our wealth both on earth and below it, this is oil, gas, coal, and everything of value. We will be slaves, our industry will only produce pots and pans.
    1. Nikolay310
      Nikolay310 13 December 2022 12: 48
      -2
      What is your industry doing now? let's leave out the military-industrial complex ... what ??? even pots and pans for the most part are either Chinese or EU ones, if more expensive ... and what comes with the label is made in Russia, for the most part assembly and with low localization of parts with low added value.
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 13 December 2022 12: 21
    +3
    depriving Ukraine of the right and opportunity to maintain armed formations, perhaps, except for the police.
    Does anyone dispute this? But for this it is necessary that the former Ukraine shrink to a small area near the borders with Poland.
    1. Ulan.1812
      Ulan.1812 13 December 2022 12: 28
      0
      Quote: rotmistr60
      depriving Ukraine of the right and opportunity to maintain armed formations, perhaps, except for the police.
      Does anyone dispute this? But for this it is necessary that the former Ukraine shrink to a small area near the borders with Poland.

      He always said that Ukraine is Galicia.
      And we don't need her.
      1. Ivan Ivanov
        Ivan Ivanov 13 December 2022 12: 41
        +1
        I must say that it is in Galicia that Ukrainianism is largely planted (which does not cancel the problem). During the 1st World War, the inhabitants of Galicia and Bukovina, Rusyns who sympathize with R.I., were deported to the Terezin and Talerhof concentration camps (Autro-Hungary).
        1. Ulan.1812
          Ulan.1812 13 December 2022 14: 49
          +1
          Quote: IvanIvanov
          I must say that it is in Galicia that Ukrainianism is largely planted (which does not cancel the problem). During the 1st World War, the inhabitants of Galicia and Bukovina, Rusyns who sympathize with R.I., were deported to the Terezin and Talerhof concentration camps (Autro-Hungary).

          I know about it. But a fact is a fact.
    2. seacap
      seacap 13 December 2022 12: 44
      0
      Even if at least one region remains independent, that is. Galician, this will not ensure the preservation of peace in the foreseeable future. It's like leaving a metastasis after cancer surgery, a waste of resources, and most importantly, irreparable losses and sacrifices.
      1. Ulan.1812
        Ulan.1812 13 December 2022 14: 56
        0
        Quote: seacap
        Even if at least one region remains independent, that is. Galician, this will not ensure the preservation of peace in the foreseeable future. It's like leaving a metastasis after cancer surgery, a waste of resources, and most importantly, irreparable losses and sacrifices.

        Do you want to drag this cancer to Russia?
        Remember the history - ALL states that included Galicia sooner or later fell apart.
        Commonwealth-Austro-Hungarian Empire-Poland-USSR-Ukraine.
  7. Ivan Ivanov
    Ivan Ivanov 13 December 2022 12: 22
    +1
    But more and more often sounding from various officials, both in the West and in Russia, hints of a truce due to the preservation of the liberated territories as part of

    The condition necessary for victory is the deprivation of these official political persons in the Russian Federation of the right to vote and, better, positions.
  8. rocket757
    rocket757 13 December 2022 12: 23
    +2
    Voenkor: The only guarantee of long-term peace for Russia will be depriving Ukraine of the opportunity to maintain armed formations
    . Yes, yes, but how to do it, since now, already, all the Kukuev authorities and their gangs are to be supported by Western guardians.
    To say that the Westerners like it... is unlikely, but they are doing it now, they can do it later.
    By their standards, these are acceptable costs, if only Russia would not be comme il faut!
  9. ocean969
    ocean969 13 December 2022 12: 25
    +3
    The author discovered the "open secret", they talk about it all the time of the NWO. Why grind the same thing a hundred times
    1. Chem1st
      Chem1st 13 December 2022 12: 35
      +4
      And then, that 80% of the Russian "elites" (both in power, and in business, and in the "culture") want to tremble to return everything as it was. And they do not want and are not able to understand a simple thing: they live well as long as there is a strong Russia. The West does not need them in any capacity. But they still try to get everything back with the persistence of a moron. Hence the hints of negotiations. Now any negotiations, even with xoxls, even with the West, are death for Russia.
      1. Uprun
        Uprun 13 December 2022 12: 50
        +3
        Do you really think that at least 1% of the 80% of Russian "elites" visits VO, watches TV and reads newspapers and magazines?
  10. Ivan Ivanov
    Ivan Ivanov 13 December 2022 12: 28
    -2
    The trouble is that on the other side the united west and we are fighting alone. It is necessary to shove "benevolent multi-vector observers" into the soft spot, if, of course, they want to preserve their sovereignty.
    1. Nikolay310
      Nikolay310 13 December 2022 12: 44
      0
      if we were still fighting ... apart from the battles, we are still trying in every possible way to agree and ensure the interests of the Mazepins, Abramovichs and other "respectable people" (this is so that the respected admin does not attribute another "rudeness and insult"
  11. Ulan.1812
    Ulan.1812 13 December 2022 12: 30
    +4
    One conclusion from the article is that Russia has only half a year before the summer to resolve the situation in its favor.
    What will happen next I do not even want to think.
  12. petroglyph
    petroglyph 13 December 2022 12: 33
    -1
    There is no longer any fear to express about a truce, but it is necessary to ring all the bells. As one comrade said the other day, there is no ideology in this NWO. There is no clear goal, how to motivate fighters? Well, all right, Donetsk people, they don’t need to say anything. But those who are mobilized through don't want to? Well, yes, beat the enemy, that's understandable. And if the enemy is like a hydra, will new heads grow in the form of foreigners? After all, the goal of denazification and demilitarization is something abstract and hardly achievable with the current approach. The goal must be specific, as in the Second World War - to reach Berlin and destroy the den of fascism. Where should we go in the NWO, can someone clearly say? After all, as long as there remains at least a small piece of territory from where strikes can be made, peace will not be like a complete victory ...
  13. seacap
    seacap 13 December 2022 12: 37
    +2
    Voenkor: The only guarantee of long-term peace for Russia will be depriving Ukraine of the opportunity to maintain armed formations

    The only guarantee of peace in this region in the historical perspective will be only the elimination of this so-called misunderstanding. pseudo state, created by misunderstanding on the basis of betrayal, lies and crime, as well as the rest 12. With the integration of these territories and peoples into the Russian Federation on the rights of regions, without national identification and any kind of autonomy.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 December 2022 12: 57
      +1
      Quote: seacap
      the elimination of this misunderstanding of the so-called. pseudo state, created by misunderstanding on the basis of betrayal


      Perverted creation of "gatherings in Belovezhskaya Pushcha".
    2. populist
      populist 13 December 2022 13: 47
      +1
      Quote: seacap
      The only guarantee of peace in this region in the historical perspective will be only the elimination of this so-called misunderstanding. pseudo states,

      Only in this way and nothing else. negative
    3. Thorvlobnor IV
      Thorvlobnor IV 13 December 2022 14: 25
      +2
      And the Ukrainians are like: "Ok, no problem. We've fought and that's enough. Well, fuck this nationality, let the Gauleiter from Moscow rule us." Isn't it funny yourself?
      First, after all, it will be necessary to shake up a million-strong army, putting a million Russians on the altar of victory. Then they will have to drive into concentration camps several million who clearly disagree with the occupation. And then, for decades, chasing those who quietly disagree, now and then striving to arrange sabotage or sabotage.
      Don't you think that such a strategy smacks too much of what the Nazis did in the occupied territories in the Second World War? Then, too, there were "second-class people", untermenschi, not worthy of having their own state and self-government.
  14. I dare to_notice_
    I dare to_notice_ 13 December 2022 12: 42
    +3
    And I heard that someone ... spoke about the deprivation of statehood ...
    No longer?
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 December 2022 12: 54
      -4
      Quote: I dare_notice_
      And I heard that someone ... spoke about the deprivation of statehood ...
      No longer?

      And why not, the Indians live on reservations, and why Ukraine cannot.
  15. Nikolay310
    Nikolay310 13 December 2022 12: 42
    0
    in the event that Ukraine remains in one format or another decent across the country (for example, everything west of the Dnieper + Nikolaev and Odessa), NATO countries will also be able to maintain the Armed Forces of Ukraine. therefore, it’s not worth deceiving yourself that the STATE of Ukraine can’t do something there ...
  16. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 13 December 2022 12: 52
    -1
    the only guarantee of peace for Russia on the western borders in the future is the deprivation of Ukraine of the right and opportunity to maintain armed formations, perhaps, except for the police.


    Just like that, without any reservations. Leave the National Guard in limited numbers with small arms and armored personnel carriers, as well as the police.
  17. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 13 December 2022 12: 53
    0
    Nonsense.
    The word "Ukraine" must be forgotten and burned out of history. You are either Russian, or Pole, or a terrorist. The Pole - to Poland, the terrorist - to the ground.
  18. Jsem_CZEKO68
    Jsem_CZEKO68 13 December 2022 13: 00
    +1
    S názorem bloggera musím souhlasit, nelze se zastavit v polovině cesty, vše by se opakovalo. Rakovina se musí vyříznout is kořenem. Západ už nikdy nesmí mít možnost ohrožovat Rusko s území Ukrajiny.
  19. Quote Lavrov
    Quote Lavrov 13 December 2022 13: 16
    +2
    The simplest thing, probably, in this life is to say, to teach WHAT needs to be done, without answering the question - HOW to achieve it in reality, and not just in desires.
    1. Ivan Ivanov
      Ivan Ivanov 13 December 2022 13: 52
      0
      As is also clear, at least in culture, education, setting goals.
      1. Quote Lavrov
        Quote Lavrov 13 December 2022 18: 41
        -1
        Well, how to do it in real conditions? Are we controlling the whole of Ukraine by military means, politically, legislatively, in order to carry out all this? And don’t say - this is what needs to be done .... it’s easy to say ...
  20. VB
    VB 13 December 2022 13: 25
    0
    The only guarantee of long-term peace for Russia will be the elimination of the sub-state of Ukraine and the inclusion of Little Russia, Novorossiya, Galicia and Transcarpathia into Russia, and who does not agree, out to Europe or to the land for crops.
  21. jacket
    jacket 13 December 2022 13: 36
    0
    from already lost territories

    Or temporarily lost, like Kherson?
  22. trophy
    trophy 13 December 2022 13: 44
    +1
    The only guarantee of long-term peace for Russia will be the deprivation of Ukraine of statehood.
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  24. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 13 December 2022 13: 55
    0
    Voenkor: The only guarantee of long-term peace for Russia will be depriving Ukraine of the opportunity to maintain armed formations
    Well, she no longer has the opportunity. And cut paper, so who cares about it? Tomorrow the United States will say The dollar is a skiff, Amero is our everything and everything.
  25. iouris
    iouris 13 December 2022 14: 23
    +1
    The only possibility for peace is the dissolution of NATO, the EU and the disengagement of Germany. And no more "Ukraine". Need USSR-2.
  26. seacap
    seacap 13 December 2022 14: 45
    0
    Quote: Torvlobnor IV
    First, after all, it will be necessary to shake up a million-strong army, putting a million Russians on the altar of victory. Then they will have to drive into concentration camps several million who clearly disagree with the occupation.

    Everything is much simpler, as it has happened more than once in our history, and in 1654 “We humbly surrender to the feet of the tsar”, and in 1944, it will be so now, if there is the political will of the “boyar class” and again, in the already once again, we will not be betrayed by our own "elites". Just like a little earlier, the Orthodox, who have forgotten about this, will swear allegiance and devotion to the new "king" and sing "glory" under the tricolors, just as it always was, crap from overseas diasporas, and the remaining bulk of the people - to restore what was destroyed by the war, go to factories and fields, on weekends drink vodka and eat Kuban lard. With only one difference, there will not be for a long time such spiritual and family relations, the unity of a single people, in essence and in faith.
  27. Bob Denkin
    Bob Denkin 13 December 2022 16: 17
    0
    Finally read something smart. Yes, a military victory is needed like air.
  28. Timur_kz
    Timur_kz 13 December 2022 21: 55
    0
    Well, in the long term it will be so, Russia will sooner or later have to disarm and divide Ukraine into at least three parts - the western one under the control of the West, the Central buffer Ukraine and the South-Eastern Russian part. Central Ukraine will not have armed forces, maximum territorial defense and border guards, and joint international forces will be deployed as a guarantee against external and internal threats.

    When this will happen is not clear. At the moment, Russia has neither the strength nor the desire for such a scenario. The combat readiness of the army is depressing. If you try to implement the above scenario, the losses will be colossal - hundreds of thousands killed and wounded. Society is clearly not ready for this.

    There is only one conclusion - not under this government. As soon as the current comprador regime in Russia is replaced by a political class capable of mobilizing the people for work and defense through ideology and reforms, then the issue with Ukraine will be resolved. And the fact that Ukraine is not capable of peaceful coexistence, I have no doubts.
  29. Glagol1
    Glagol1 15 December 2022 19: 52
    0
    The author is 100% right, if you don't solve the 404 completely, it's only a matter of time before they attack. It is possible that they will simply have to be burned.
  30. isv000
    isv000 15 December 2022 21: 31
    0
    The Telegram blogger is sure that the only guarantee of peace for Russia on the western borders in the future is to deprive Ukraine of the right and opportunity to maintain armed groups, except perhaps the police.

    External security, excuse me, who will provide? NATA or us? Both options fit the definition of "on a fig goat button accordion" ...
  31. vadim_ivanov
    vadim_ivanov 15 December 2022 23: 01
    0
    There is no army for all this and there are no extra people. Keep those little ones. The rest of the fantasy realm
  32. Hindu
    Hindu 16 December 2022 09: 27
    -1
    Quote: Trofim
    The only guarantee of long-term peace for Russia will be the deprivation of Ukraine of statehood.

    Well, until the lichen has grown, apparently.
    The movie was "Rose's War". You don't have to watch the whole thing. Watch the finale. How do you like that.