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Russians in Ukraine. We came for our

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Russians in Ukraine. We came for our

Yes, we came for ours. Not so much for the lands, but for their people. Russian and not only. They came for Ukrainians who do not want to jump, they came for all the others who do not need forced Ukrainization, do not need the false values ​​​​of an alien civilization, and even more so they do not need militarization and nazification on behalf of the Zelensky clique.


With the undoubted general support of the NWO in our society, there is a certain misunderstanding of why and why we actually came to Ukraine. An ordinary person, who is not very experienced in military-political nuances, does not always feel for himself the real danger of NATO expansion and even fascistization of a neighboring state.

The directive on the denationalization and demilitarization of Ukraine, voiced by the president as the goal of the SVO and repeated many times at different levels, is true, in fact, does little to give the mind and heart of an ordinary citizen. Meanwhile, what is happening, from my point of view, has a deep meaning, which for some reason is not widely voiced.

Bismarck is credited with saying that Russians always come back for their money. I do not know why the bellicose chancellor attributed to our people such not Russian, but definitely European commercialism. But the iron chancellor was right about the fact that we always return. History She proved more than once that sooner or later we take back the lands taken from us.


But in the case of Ukraine, we have to repeat this again and again, it's not only and not so much in the territories. First of all, we have come to return people to their true historical homeland. And this applies not only to residents of new Russian regions, but also to all citizens of the former Ukrainian SSR who fell victim to an unprecedented ideological genocide.

Recent years have shown that weapon mass information destruction, not limited by the boundaries of decency, has a monstrous destructive power. I am convinced that the coup in Ukraine, as well as the entire subsequent chain of tragic events, could not have happened if the Western elites had not used this weapon in the neighboring country in the most Jesuit form.

And, it must be honestly admitted, many Russian people with Ukrainian passports, bewildered by the collective priests, in fact, turned into Vlasovites. Only, unlike the latter, many of whom hated the Soviet regime, or were simply afraid to die, the current fans of the new European ordnung fell victim to a skillful and total brainwashing.

There was only one way to fix this - to return them to the information space of truth and historical justice. There are simply no other ways, as life has shown. No matter how much Russian officials and media people were accused of shortcomings in the Ukrainian direction, in previous years it was almost impossible to resist a well-woven network of lies, especially in the context of total anti-Russian censorship of the Ukrainian media and the education system.

In this sense, the monstrous system of Russophobic education of the younger generation, which was practiced in Ukraine, deserves special attention. It was worth starting the SVO just to ensure that Russian children in Ukrainian schools would never again learn from textbooks that declare Russia an enemy and fascist henchmen national heroes.

Year after year, the drama of the divided Russian people turned into a real tragedy before our eyes. And we simply have no other options to prevent this, except for the SVO. We came to Ukraine to heal people with the truth and give them a chance to return home. If not in the territorial, then in the spiritual sense of the word.

It is this declared goal of the NWO, in my opinion, that deserves much more attention in our information space and will gain understanding and support from people much faster.

Those fighters who are now freezing in the trenches and rising into mortal combat. Those mothers who quietly cry into the pillow at night. Those volunteers who bring copters bought for their own money to the front line. And at the same time, all those who still doubt the correctness of our choice.
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  1. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 16 December 2022 05: 14
    +8
    Yes, we came for ours!
    Correctly ! The war is for the souls of people.
    1. Civil
      Civil 16 December 2022 07: 37
      +6
      Some old article, but there is a new one? It doesn't look like the Ukrainian part of the Russian people is burning with the desire to unite, they even fight against us.
      1. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 16 December 2022 08: 37
        +16
        Quote: Civil
        It doesn't look like the Ukrainian part of the Russian people is burning with the desire to unite, they even fight against us.

        Here are some strange people. In the article, it is written in Russian - "And, to be honest, many Russian people with Ukrainian passports, ( ......) fell victim to skillful and total brainwashing.
        And it's not a figure of speech, it's a fact. I have personally verified this. There is such an expression - "If a person is told every day that he is a pig, then after a while the person will grunt."
        For a person who is poorly educated, who does not know history, who is not interested in politics, who draws information only from a zombie, and the majority of such people (and not only on the outskirts), propaganda has an irresistible effect. Therefore, one should not be surprised that even an ethnic Russian, a citizen of the Outskirts, took up arms in order to fulfill his civic duty, not to mention a Ukrainian.
        We did not oppose our own to Western propaganda on the outskirts. The result is obvious.
        1. Civil
          Civil 16 December 2022 08: 43
          +3
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          Here are some strange people. In the article, it is written in Russian - "And, to be honest, many Russian people with Ukrainian passports, ( ......) fell victim to skillful and total brainwashing.
          And it's not a figure of speech, it's a fact. I have personally verified this. There is such an expression - "If a person is told every day that he is a pig, then after a while the person will grunt."
          For a person who is poorly educated, who does not know history, who is not interested in politics, who draws information only from a zombie, and the majority of such people (and not only on the outskirts), propaganda has an irresistible effect. Therefore, one should not be surprised that even an ethnic Russian, a citizen of the Outskirts, took up arms in order to fulfill his civic duty, not to mention a Ukrainian.
          We did not oppose our own to Western propaganda on the outskirts. The result is obvious.


          Is that sufficient reason to kill them?
          1. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 16 December 2022 22: 51
            +3
            Quote: Civil
            Is that sufficient reason to kill them?

            Do you really not understand the reasons for the start of SWO? Then you will have to study all the mainstream media, though enough TV, for the last 35 years. And, visit, at least with the help of the dock. film, ALLEY OF ANGELS. I hope you understand then.
            1. Civil
              Civil 17 December 2022 10: 26
              -5
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              Quote: Civil
              Is that sufficient reason to kill them?

              Do you really not understand the reasons for the start of SWO? Then you will have to study all the mainstream media, though enough TV, for the last 35 years. And, visit, at least with the help of the dock. film, ALLEY OF ANGELS. I hope you understand then.

              You seem to either not understand the question or are trying to change it. I propose to answer the question directly. Yes or no.
              1. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk 19 December 2022 17: 48
                +1
                Quote: Civil
                Yes or no.

                It is you who will ask your mistress - yes or no.
                If you think that I did not understand the question, ask it in other words, or give explanations.
          2. shikin
            shikin 17 December 2022 15: 25
            -3
            How many do you want to kill? There are 25 million left. Yes, many are still without weapons in their hands, but they treat us like enemies - invaders. What to do with them?
            1. guest
              guest 17 December 2022 20: 42
              +3
              There is the Chechen experience, there, too, in the beginning there was no less hatred.
              1. aglet
                aglet 19 December 2022 14: 25
                -1
                "There is a Chechen experience, there, too, in the beginning there was no less hatred."
                to buy xoxls is much more expensive, there are many more of them
                1. guest
                  guest 19 December 2022 16: 13
                  +1
                  Why don't we have enough extra money? That's at least 300 billion enemies presented and nothing.
            2. alexey alexeyev_2
              alexey alexeyev_2 20 December 2022 15: 17
              0
              Labor made a man out of a monkey. They will plow for 25 hours a day, all the nonsense will come out of the head.
              1. shikin
                shikin 20 December 2022 15: 42
                0
                In any society, especially zealous - on the strength of 5-10%. The rest are a relatively inert mass that basically follows these zealous ones. And it is possible and necessary to work with this mass, and not call for almost genocide, like some "civilian"
          3. vlad106
            vlad106 17 December 2022 17: 47
            +5
            Quote: Civil

            Is that sufficient reason to kill them?


            Our people are there. Majority. Yes, arrogant Saxon bedding - Bandera's people have littered their brains over these decades.
            We must return both people and land
        2. filibuster
          filibuster 16 December 2022 12: 36
          +7
          And, it must be honestly admitted, many Russian people with Ukrainian passports, ( ...... ) have become victims of skillful and total brainwashing.


          So you won’t sell the elephant (c), they say the same thing about us that we became a victim of propaganda, etc.
          Now the question is what can we offer them? Here they are at a crossroads (no longer of course, but let's say) where to turn towards the EU or towards us, we have the same oligarchs as theirs, comparable corruption, with the exception of Moscow, it is humiliating (for such a country with such resources) a low level life.
          1. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 16 December 2022 18: 43
            +7
            Quote from: filibuster
            Now the question is what can we offer them?

            We didn't just offer, we gave. Cheap gas, oil, plus an immense market for their goods, which in Europe is not even needed in FIG. But Yushchenko came and said - "Enough of undercover agreements, we are switching to market relations with Russia." Two days later, gas for the Outskirts became $170 instead of $50. Do you feel the difference? I should note that the standard of living in Kyiv is much lower than in Moscow. And the standard of living in the Ukrainian village is much lower than in the Russian one. This I know firsthand. Believe me. So, we have something to offer - at least a titmouse in hand. But they preferred, because they were convinced of this by the media, a pie in the European sky. They were promised European salaries and pensions if they joined the EU and NATO, but they were not told that this also required European labor productivity. And they weren't smart enough to understand it.
            1. filibuster
              filibuster 16 December 2022 19: 04
              +2
              We didn't just offer, we gave. Cheap gas, oil, plus an immense market for their goods, which in Europe is not even needed in FIG.


              So we gave it to someone, the same "hucksters" and oligarchs, at the very end, Yanukovych, how many there were given 2 or 3 billion, which hung somewhere.

              And the standard of living in the Ukrainian village is much lower than in the Russian one.


              Yes, the same level will be plus / minus, a teacher in some village near Odessa is not much different in terms of the standard of living of the same teacher somewhere near Rostov / Voronezh / Petersburg. Well, even the footage when our troops were near Kyiv, well, the same as ours near Moscow.
              We have a high standard of living in Russia, even quite higher than the average European only in Moscow, everything else is poverty, in some places even darkness, there is a deputy of the region in Novosibirsk. The assembly was proud of the fact that at some final stop they installed a door to a wooden toilet and now drivers will be more comfortable:


              NOVOSIBIRSK, December 7 - RIA Novosti. Novosibirsk City Council deputy Svetlana Kaverzina reported on social networks about the repair and sanitization of a wooden toilet at the bus terminus and explained that this was not a joke.
              "The toilet at the final stop of the ORMZ (bus 23) was repaired. Otherwise, the breeze blew without doors. Even before that, it was washed and treated with an antiseptic. We will monitor the sanitary condition. Our drivers must work in acceptable conditions," the deputy wrote on Tuesday in the evening in his Telegram channel.
              The deputy's message with an attached photo of a wooden toilet caused a heated discussion on social networks. In particular, on Twitter, users from different countries comment on information, some of whom thought it was a joke.
              On Wednesday, Kaverzina explained that this was not a joke, but bus drivers regularly complained about the poor state of the toilet. Earlier, the deputy even made a special trip around the terminus in the Sovetsky district of Novosibirsk.

              https://ria.ru/20221207/novosibirsk-1836902147.html

              and this is Novosibirsk city with a population of 1.6 million people.

              But they preferred, because they were convinced of this by the media, a pie in the European sky. They were promised European salaries and pensions if they joined the EU and NATO, but they were not told that this also required European labor productivity. And they weren't smart enough to understand it.


              Well, we can’t offer this, even if there is European labor productivity, well, you shouldn’t consider everyone without exception stupid.
              1. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk 16 December 2022 23: 09
                0
                Quote from: filibuster

                So we gave it to someone, the same "hucksters" and oligarchs, at the very end, Yanukovych, how many there were given 2 or 3 billion, which hung somewhere.

                No, you are wrong, we gave to Ukraine, and how the government of Ukraine ordered it, it is no longer our fault. So, do not blame everything on "hucksters and oligarchs."
                Quote from: filibuster

                Yes, the same level will be plus / minus, a teacher in some village near Odessa is not much different in terms of the standard of living of the same teacher somewhere near Rostov /

                Is this your KNOWLEDGE or ASSUMPTION?
                Quote from: filibuster
                Well, even the footage when our troops were near Kyiv, well, the same as ours near Moscow.

                Oh how. Do you judge the standard of living of the people by frames from news programs? lol
                Quote from: filibuster
                won in Novosibirsk region deputy. The assembly was proud of the fact that at some final stop they installed a door to a wooden toilet and now drivers will be more comfortable:

                At first I was surprised, and then I stopped being surprised, - well, if there are no doors in a wooden toilet, then the standard of living in the country is at the level of the plinth.
                With such a worldview, not for me, for you, for 12-16-year-old maximalists.
                1. filibuster
                  filibuster 16 December 2022 23: 44
                  -3
                  No, you are wrong, we gave to Ukraine, and how the government of Ukraine ordered it, it is no longer our fault. So, do not blame everything on "hucksters and oligarchs."


                  Well, here are their people, and look, we have oligarchs and they have oligarchs and do not see any attraction for themselves in Russia.

                  Is this your KNOWLEDGE or ASSUMPTION?


                  I have never been to Ukraine, therefore, only an assumption based on a comparison of budget figures (reduced to the population), average salaries from open sources, spending on medicine (reduced to the population) and the only thing in which we confidently win over Ukraine is only the military budget.
                  Everything else plus/minus is the same.


                  At first I was surprised, and then I stopped being surprised, - well, if there are no doors in a wooden toilet, then the standard of living in the country is at the level of the plinth.


                  There is no presence of this wooden toilet below the plinth, it doesn’t matter with a door or not, and the deputy did not even understand the surprise or indignation of users, well, they say, what is it about many wooden toilets without central sewage.
                  Have you forgotten Putin's words about the middle class - these are people who receive 17 thousand rubles, we are in the same league with Ukraine (with the exception of Moscow, of course).
                  1. guest
                    guest 17 December 2022 20: 39
                    +2
                    Quote from: filibuster
                    I have never been to Ukraine

                    Well, if he wasn't, he would have kept quiet. I lived there for some time and I can say that all comparisons are definitely not in favor of Ukraine.
                    1. filibuster
                      filibuster 18 December 2022 18: 20
                      -1
                      “No one lies like an eyewitness,” other people who lived there now live in Russia, they say that plus or minus everyone is lonely, social indicators (with the exception of Moscow) are also plus or minus the same.
            2. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 16 December 2022 19: 09
              -8
              They were promised European salaries and pensions,

              And they believed and decided to go to Europe. And here is the question: "What, do you have to kill them for this?"
              1. Aviator_
                Aviator_ 16 December 2022 20: 41
                +9
                And they believed and decided to go to Europe. And here is the question: "What, do you have to kill them for this?"
                They are not killed for this, but for the fact that they killed people in the Donbass. There, the people did not want to go to Europe - well, they would have gone without him. But they didn't want to.
              2. guest
                guest 17 December 2022 20: 35
                +1
                And what to expect when they start killing us? So we've already waited.
              3. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk 18 December 2022 16: 21
                +2
                Quote: Fan-Fan
                They were promised European salaries and pensions,

                And they believed and decided to go to Europe. And here is the question: "What, do you have to kill them for this?"

                Of course not. But the fact is that they began to kill those who did not want to join the EU and those who wanted to speak and teach their children and grandchildren in their native language - Russian. But they were being killed. And, you did not ask them your question - "What, do you have to kill them for this?"
                1. guest
                  guest 18 December 2022 18: 52
                  0
                  Well, this is a well-known anecdote: "we can be killed, but what are they for."
        3. Plover
          Plover 16 December 2022 17: 13
          +3
          For a person who is poorly educated, who does not know history, who is not interested in politics, who draws information only from a zombie, and the majority of such people (and not only on the outskirts), propaganda has an irresistible effect.

          Whom did you describe: a Ukrainian in Ukraine or a Russian in Russia? They say that word for word about us!
          You have to go with something. What do we offer them: change one zomboyaschik to another? One oligarch to another?
          1. Zakirov Damir
            Zakirov Damir 16 December 2022 22: 02
            +3
            Quote: Plover
            For a person who is poorly educated, who does not know history, who is not interested in politics, who draws information only from a zombie, and the majority of such people (and not only on the outskirts), propaganda has an irresistible effect.

            Whom did you describe: a Ukrainian in Ukraine or a Russian in Russia? They say that word for word about us!
            You have to go with something. What do we offer them: change one zomboyaschik to another? One oligarch to another?

            Yes, only the Ukrainians have not been framed ass over the past 30 years! Are you suggesting to scroll the carousel over again?

            I am quite satisfied with what we offered them - CBO! We offered one more option along with free gas and oil, sales of their products, loans and so on - sobering! Which should clearly indicate their place in the Russian-European hierarchy.

            We do not ask to be respected - we will make us afraid! And if for this you need to fight to the last Ukrainian, then it will be so!
          2. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 16 December 2022 22: 05
            +2
            Quote: Plover
            You have to go with something. What do we offer them: change one zomboyaschik to another?

            We offered them and offer them the most important thing - not to lose yourself, otherwise they were so carried away by self-exodus to Europe and America that even Ukraine itself did not give up on them.
            Nothing could be a more reliable guarantee of their existence within their former borders than an alliance with Russia. No, they neglected it. For 30 years they have been fooling the nenka with their own hands to the state of ruins, just to snatch at least some amount of money and dump it over the cordon. They had a dream to make an independent Ukraine and have their own state, but despite the fact that they received this opportunity from the hands of Russia absolutely bloodlessly, they managed to screw up the dream and turn it into a utopia. Nothing will save them, neither Can, nor the Pope. There will be no Ukraine. In the best case, there will be some piece of territory stuffed with NATO rabble, something like the Kosovo anomaly, or the Idlib province with a terrorist viper speaking on the move, and then, not for long. But once quite recently they were galloping on the Maidan with posters - "Pom" yatai foreigner, here is the ruler of Ukraine.
        4. guest
          guest 17 December 2022 20: 34
          +2
          I would like to add that education also played a role. At least immediately after the collapse of the union, Ukrainian schools began to instill hatred for everything Russian.
          1. haron
            haron 17 December 2022 21: 59
            -3
            Quote: guest
            At least immediately after the collapse of the union, Ukrainian schools began to instill hatred for everything Russian.

            Who told you this? They came up with it themselves, or they themselves studied in these schools. No hatred was instilled. The only thing that has changed is that they began to share the history of Ukraine and the history of Russia. As in any other post-union country.
            Various nonsense of all Yaroshes, Tyagniboks and other outcasts did not differ much from your Dugins and others like him. But unlike Dugin, the Ukrainian Natsiks were sent away in the May 2104 elections, and you blew a molehill out of a fly. You have made up your own enemy. And yes, when you constantly tell a person that he is a pig, and he is not there, in principle, he will begin to hate you even without violence.
            1. guest
              guest 18 December 2022 01: 08
              +2
              Quote: haron
              Who told you this?

              I felt it on my own skin.
              Quote: haron
              Or they themselves studied in these schools.

              Yes, I studied.
              Quote: haron
              Ukrainian Nazis were sent away in the elections of May 2104

              Where were they sent? They just came to power, Parashenko is a real Nazi.
              1. haron
                haron 18 December 2022 10: 13
                -3
                Quote: guest
                Yes, I studied.

                Where and when? Just don’t say that in Lvov)) I didn’t hear hatred for everything “Russian” (and not Russian) until February 24.2.22, XNUMX (I went to the local honey to give lectures ... in Russian).
                You see as hatred you took the requirement to study the Ukrainian language)))
                Quote: guest
                Parashenko is a real Nazi.

                Oh yeah! He ordered all Russians on the territory of Ukraine to be expelled from the country in underpants or burned in ovens?)) It’s not funny to yourself ... and even Roshen grocery stores throughout Rus' live and prosper
                We found a Nazi here. God, don't be embarrassed.
                1. guest
                  guest 18 December 2022 15: 47
                  0
                  Quote: haron
                  Where and when?

                  Just in the southeast I studied in Russian in the early 90s.
                  1. haron
                    haron 18 December 2022 20: 00
                    -1
                    Quote: guest
                    Just in the southeast I studied in Russian in the early 90s.

                    So what? Didn't want to teach you?
                    In Kharkov, they still teach medicine in Russian ... although they probably already taught it. Thanks to you.
                    1. guest
                      guest 19 December 2022 16: 20
                      0
                      Quote: haron
                      So what? Didn't want to teach you?

                      The question is not correct, it is better to ask what you wanted to teach.
                      Quote: haron
                      Medicine is still taught in Russian in Kharkov

                      What nonsense, Russian is now officially banned there.
                      1. haron
                        haron 19 December 2022 21: 10
                        -2
                        Quote: guest
                        What nonsense, Russian is now officially banned there.

                        Not prohibited. There is no need to lie, this way you can get a diagnosis according to the degree of underdevelopment of the skull (this is not a mat just in case, this is just a clinical case).
                        How can they ban a language that is spoken by almost 90% of the population, and half of them neither be nor me in Ukrainian.
                      2. guest
                        guest 20 December 2022 00: 04
                        0
                        Everyone can, here is the most relevant example.
                        https://news-front.info/2022/12/19/v-borbe-za-movu-ukraina-horonit-ostatki-svoej-nauki-i-kultury/?ysclid=lbvaa7q5pl941481868
                      3. haron
                        haron 20 December 2022 09: 26
                        -1
                        But can you imagine something from the laws of Ukraine, and not an article on VO?
                      4. guest
                        guest 20 December 2022 15: 30
                        0
                        The article about the law is exactly what it says.
            2. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk 19 December 2022 11: 02
              +1
              Quote: haron
              Who told you this? They came up with it themselves, or they themselves studied in these schools.

              No one told me this, and I did not invent anything - my grandchildren studied there. So I know firsthand. And classmates beat children because they were Muscovites and because they didn't "jump". Do you know - "Who does not jump, he is a Muscovite"? And it's at school!
              Quote: haron
              instilled. The only thing that has changed is that they began to share the history of Ukraine and the history of Russia.

              That's right, share the story. Have you read at least one page of the textbook of this Ukrainian "history"? I advise you to read. Maybe then at least something will understand and will not write nonsense here.
              1. haron
                haron 19 December 2022 21: 06
                -1
                Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                And classmates beat children because they were Muscovites and because they didn't "jump". Do you know - "Who does not jump, he is a Muscovite"? And it's at school!

                You are a lying comrade.
                Firstly, the southeast of Ukraine, where exactly is this? Please indicate the school, and your colleagues will check this for truth. It's easy to lie, but then it's hard to answer. Faces will come to your home and start asking questions on the way to the wasteland.
                Secondly, at least 60% of the Azov fighters spoke only Russian. And all combat communication was only in Russian.
                So at the expense of galloping, this is another invention of Russian traitors.
                1. Krasnoyarsk
                  Krasnoyarsk 20 December 2022 12: 39
                  0
                  Quote: haron
                  Firstly, the southeast of Ukraine, where exactly is this?

                  Please quote from my post. where I wrote about the southeast. You need to read more carefully, more carefully. So, at the expense of lying - by.
                  Quote: haron
                  Secondly, at least 60% of the Azov fighters spoke only Russian.

                  O! So are you one of them? What are you shy about?
                  I explain - they spoke "in Russian" because it was a habit. Cities on the Outskirts, especially large ones, and even the regional centers of the central, eastern and southern regions, all spoke Surzhik, which you call Russian. And the army is no exception. But this does not mean that there was no persecution of the Russian language in the outskirts. If you are friends with your head, then you should know that the Donbass rebelled precisely because of the measure of the VR law on regional languages.
                  1. haron
                    haron 20 December 2022 13: 17
                    0
                    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                    Please quote from my post. where I wrote about the southeast. You need to read more carefully, more carefully. So, at the expense of lying - by.

                    You answered a question about fiction that was addressed to another nickname. I didn't pull your tongue.
                    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                    O! So are you one of them?

                    Just the opposite, from those who know the protocols of their interrogations and the texts of their conversations during active databases.
                    That's why your lies annoy me
              2. haron
                haron 19 December 2022 21: 18
                -1
                Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                No one told me this, and I did not invent anything - my grandchildren studied there.

                Again you mister lied. For
                Quote: guest
                Just in the southeast I studied in Russian in the early 90s

                You burn so easily)) That's nice, there will be less work for faces. Under two nicknames, the same couch anal ... a whiner sits.
                1. Krasnoyarsk
                  Krasnoyarsk 20 December 2022 13: 12
                  0
                  Quote: haron
                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  No one told me this, and I did not invent anything - my grandchildren studied there.

                  Again you mister lied. For
                  Quote: guest
                  Just in the southeast I studied in Russian in the early 90s

                  You burn so easily)) That's nice, there will be less work for faces. Under two nicknames, the same couch anal ... a whiner sits.

                  That's right, it's my fault - I misled you. I intervened in your conversation with "guest" and answered your question - "who told you this?" words - "No one told me - my grandchildren studied there"
                  I explain - my eldest granddaughter studied in the north-east of the outskirts. After 2014, the teaching of the Russian language was canceled at her school. Parents were indignant, turned to Gorono and, in the end, they succeeded - such and such a school is allowed to study (teaching) a second FOREIGN (!!!) language at its own discretion. The school chose Russian. That's it, disrespectful. And the younger grandchildren studied, they no longer study, at a school in the Kyiv region. in which Ukrainian and English are studied from the second grade. They learned that the Russian language is taught only in private schools, and then only in Kyiv. In Kyiv, they found only one private school that taught Russian. I emphasize - all this after 14 years. But back in 13, they did not accept, in any office, a statement written in Russian.
                  My advice - not knowing the ford, do not go into the water. Or turn on the CONSCIENCE function in your mind.
                  1. haron
                    haron 20 December 2022 13: 47
                    0
                    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                    CONSCIENCE

                    Conscience is a purely personal concept, and I am also not attracted by the pressure on the Russian language.
                    But the relations between the two states are determined only within the framework of international law. When it comes to the law Conscience hides deep.
                    According to this, you are advised to write on public resources only within the framework of the existing law. Otherwise, "legitimate accusations of lying and incitement" may ensue.
                    1. Krasnoyarsk
                      Krasnoyarsk 21 December 2022 13: 23
                      0
                      Quote: haron
                      Otherwise, "legitimate accusations of lying and incitement" may ensue.

                      Here, let them come. My words are easily verified, this is the first. And secondly, there is no incitement in my words. And your threats only say that you yourself are scared to death. By whom? Is it really a Bandera man with an ax behind his back? laughing
        5. haron
          haron 17 December 2022 21: 48
          -3
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          We did not oppose our own to Western propaganda on the outskirts.

          Yes, what are you!? Didn't they just provide it?
          Let's start with the fact that your idea of ​​propaganda boiled down to the fact that such a people as "Ukrainians" and such a country as "Ukraine" not only did not exist, it still does not exist. Or was it not?
          There is Belarus, the Baltic countries not only exist, but also in NATO, Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan .... which "did not exist" much later than Ukraine.
          You poisoned yourselves with your propaganda. And when to me, a Russian, who lived in western Ukraine and never had problems communicating in Russian even with the most inveterate Ukrainophile, you began to say that I was a "banderite", that I want to destroy you all ....
          You didn't even have any propaganda. What your "heralds" are talking about was and is completely illogical nonsense .... Either the Austrian headquarters invented something, then Lenin, then Stalin is bad here, and then a genius .... Decide already somehow. Time has not yet been lost.
          1. guest
            guest 18 December 2022 18: 59
            0
            Quote: haron
            That the Austrian headquarters invented something

            But that's the way it is, even the flag of Ukraine is the flag of some kind of Austrian land.
            1. haron
              haron 18 December 2022 19: 56
              0
              Quote: guest
              even the flag of Ukraine is the flag of some kind of Austrian land

              Quite right)) in Dalmatia. And for Russia, they came up with a flag that they took from the Principality of Krajina at the end of the 15th century. That's just the separation of the coat of arms of the rulers and the banners of the states - territories, occurred at the beginning of the 18th century.
              And about the yellow-blue colors on the coats of arms of the Russian lands (now part of the Ukrainian ones), read the story ... from about the end of the 14th century.
              1. guest
                guest 19 December 2022 16: 30
                0
                Quote: haron
                And for Russia they came up with a flag

                For Russia, no one came up with anything, but even if he tried, he was sent far away.
                1. haron
                  haron 19 December 2022 20: 29
                  -1
                  Quote: guest
                  Nobody invented anything for Russia,

                  Yes. HE was brought from heaven by the divine wind. Directly on the boat and "Eagle" of Peter 1 after visiting Holland. True, then this "ensign" was completely forgotten, until the really best emperor Alexander 3 remembered him in 1883.
                  Or say that before 1883. the flag of the Republic of Ingushetia was not black-yellow-white (or maybe they forgot to tell you this at school? But you can’t search for information yourself - “at the behest of the pike and the king’s will.”
          2. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 19 December 2022 11: 46
            0
            Quote: haron

            Let's start with the fact that your idea of ​​propaganda boiled down to the fact that such a people as "Ukrainians" and such a country as "Ukraine" not only did not exist, it still does not exist.

            Although you declared here that you are Russian, you learned to lie and distort from Bandera.
            The fact that Ukraine as a state did not exist is a historical fact. Do not be lazy and look at least the main signs of statehood. Ukrainians, yes, existed, as well as Siberians, Volga, Urals, etc. But this does not mean at all that there were states with the same names.
            As for the Russian state propaganda, yes, there was - "the fraternal Ukrainian people", "we respect the fraternal Ukrainian people", "we respect the choice of the Ukrainian people, therefore we recognize Poroshenko as the president of Ukraine". Etc. etc. And it's all on TV.
            And what have we seen and heard on Ukrainian TV since 1991? “Those who have eyes will see, those who have ears will hear. As I understand it, both your eyes and ears have atrophied. And your conscience too.
            In 1976, on the square near the station, as you said - "Russian-speaking Lviv", three Lviv residents not only did not answer my question - "Please tell me how to get to the bus station?", but pretended that they simply did not notice me. And only a man with medal slats answered this question for me. And, as he explained, they did not pay attention to me because I addressed the "Russian-speaking people of Lviv" in Russian.
            And this is Nazism, in its purest form - division along national lines.
            1. guest
              guest 19 December 2022 16: 32
              +1
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              Ukrainians, yes, existed

              I disagree, there were Little Russians.
              1. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk 19 December 2022 17: 56
                0
                Quote: guest
                Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                Ukrainians, yes, existed

                I disagree, there were Little Russians.

                That's what we called them. And they called themselves Ukrainians and should be treated with understanding.
                1. guest
                  guest 30 December 2022 17: 58
                  0
                  No, they didn’t call him, even Mazepa, who was an ardent Russophobe, was offended if he was called a Ukrainian.
            2. haron
              haron 19 December 2022 20: 44
              -2
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              In 1976, on the station square, as you said - "Russian-speaking Lviv", three Lviv residents not only did not answer my question

              In 2013, I lived on Basmannaya for a couple of weeks. There is a grocery store there. So, going there an hour / half an hour before closing, I invariably received a phrase in the forehead, like “go quickly recruit and we only have an hour to work” And once in the race ... go fucking batanik for your swill. All communication always took place in the purest Russian, with okan or okan.
              Well, God forbid, you had to come half an hour before closing ... even a nightingale robber does not give out such verbal litter.
              Culture speak. Russian culture. Tolstoy and Bulgakov have hanged themselves in hell seeing all this.
              Yes, I am Russian, and I will never give up my Suzdal with Vladimir and Tambov. But the further it becomes, the more it becomes unclear to me - how you manage to distort and distort historical facts. Who made you there?
              And I'll tell you who - the one who betrayed you personally and the rest of the Russians for the last 20 years.
      2. RUR
        RUR 17 December 2022 17: 43
        -5
        It doesn't look like the Ukrainian part of the Russian people is burning with the desire to unite, they even fight against us.


        Of course, it doesn’t look like it, since there was no voluntary accession to the Republic of Ingushetia of either right-bank Ukraine or Belarus, and the next hetman after Khmelnitsky no longer wanted an alliance with Muscovy, but was physically eliminated
        1. haron
          haron 17 December 2022 22: 54
          -1
          Quote: RUR
          but was eliminated physically

          At that time, a brain stroke could not be provoked artificially. There are many testimonies and friends and not so much, both Ukrainians and Russians and Poles about the last year of his life and the stroke before his death. Most importantly, he failed to fully realize his plans. Moreover, the implementation of his plans cost him his beloved Woman, who was killed by his beloved son Timosh, whom he also lost due to the betrayal of some of his Cossacks.
          They betrayed him often, he betrayed no less often .... although in politics this is called a change of vector. He wanted more than that reality allowed.
          1. RUR
            RUR 17 December 2022 23: 13
            -5
            The main thing is this:
            Of course, it doesn’t look like it, since there was no voluntary accession to the Republic of Ingushetia either by right-bank Ukraine or Belarus
            1. haron
              haron 18 December 2022 10: 48
              -2
              Quote: RUR
              The main thing is this:
              Of course, it doesn’t look like it, since there was no voluntary accession to the Republic of Ingushetia either by right-bank Ukraine or Belarus

              Naturally, it wasn't. Even if you re-read the treaty itself from 1654, there is no hint of "attachment". This is a variant of the union, like the EEC and NATO.
              1. They could collect taxes only according to "local" customs, which only selected locals could change and collect. A stranger was sent to control (to) in truth, and to receive this collection with subsequent transfer to the king.
              1. A registered army of Cossacks of 60 thousand, by order of the tsar, must come out with him or themselves. outside the hetmanate. The salary is constantly received from the king.
              2. If there is a disassembly within the hetmanate, then the hetman himself must solve the problem. If the hetmanate was attacked, then the kakzaks must inform the tsar, but they are not obliged to ask for help.
              3. Hetmans and Sich members can (as in the old days and according to tradition) receive any ambassadors of foreign states. And if it's a good thing, then they decide for themselves. If evil, then the decision is after consultation with the king. And always write to the tsar about any embassies...
              Well, in that spirit.
              Here there can be no question of subjugation and complete "attachment" of the Hetmanate to the Russian kingdom. (RI was not yet in sight then).
              (A separate conversation about the church).
              1. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk 19 December 2022 11: 57
                +1
                Quote: haron

                1. A registered army of Cossacks of 60 thousand, by order of the tsar, must come out with him or themselves. outside the hetmanate. The salary is constantly received from the king.

                Do you even understand what you wrote? Let me explain - who pays the girl, he dances her. Is it clear? The Polish king paid, Poland danced you, the Russian tsar began to pay, Russia began to dance you. And how did you want? But, I draw your attention - there was not a single uprising against Russia. Betrayal, yes, but there was no rebellion. And how many uprisings were there against Poland? Do the math. And why would it?
                The fact that betrayal is in the blood of Ukrainians is another matter. This is me about Yuri Khmelnitsky, Vyhovsky, Mazepa and other "hetmans"
                1. haron
                  haron 19 December 2022 20: 18
                  -1
                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  Do you even understand what you wrote? Let me explain - who pays the girl, he dances her.

                  Are you delusional? Money is paid by taxpayers - in a particular case, Little Russians, Cossacks and other Ukrainians. Moreover, Alexei Mikhailovich CAM signed the data of the March statutes.
                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  But, I draw your attention - there was not a single uprising against Russia.

                  What are you!? It's like not a war, but an NWO)) And you certainly don't know who and how many times "betrayed" each other. Who was Pyotr Doroshenko, you know - apparently weakly with this, as with the concept of the meaning of the Andrusov Treaty, will you begin to break patterns? Or again the Russians are white and fluffy
                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  The fact that betrayal is in the blood of Ukrainians is another matter.

                  Look in the mirror Murzik, and you will see a man screaming "Goyda !!" (do you even know the meaning?) Or do you not betray your own and do not kill?
                2. RUR
                  RUR 20 December 2022 11: 01
                  -2
                  But, I draw your attention - there was not a single uprising against Russia.

                  Do not lie like Pu, for example, Vernadsky writes Vernadsky V. - The Ukrainian question and Russian society - that in the 18th century there were many uprisings, probably, they simply were not large
              2. RUR
                RUR 20 December 2022 10: 51
                -1
                This is a variant of the union, like the EEC and NATO.
                It was a variant or similarity of a union between Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, that union was nevertheless closer in time and meaning than the European union, but it all ended with full inclusion in the Kingdom ... which is the cause of the current tragedies - the Muscovites swallowed more than they could digest
    2. Hypertension
      Hypertension 16 December 2022 10: 46
      +3
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      Correctly ! The war is for the souls of people.

      The war for souls is lost. Propaganda has long been unable to give birth to anything truly spiritually uplifting. Aspen will not produce oranges. All this time, the people were remembered only for the elections, at best. If someone there is really "buttering a sandwich, immediately thought - but as a people" - let them deal with HIV. Russia has already surpassed Tanzania and Uganda in terms of this disease.
      1. AdAstra
        AdAstra 16 December 2022 11: 18
        +6
        Yes, we have no ice with HIV, at work I had to communicate with doctors in this area, and although it was a long time ago, even then I was not pleasantly surprised by what I heard.
      2. N3onMiami
        N3onMiami 16 December 2022 11: 25
        +4
        In order to tackle the problem of HIV, it is necessary to conduct sex education among young people, including secondary school students, taking into account the experience of Western countries, bringing it to our realities.
        If a person knows and is warned, then this greatly reduces the risk of infection.
        The main thing is that our especially gifted people like Milonov or Mizulina do not rest against the horn, otherwise a complete madhouse will begin, and the incidence rate is growing.
        1. filibuster
          filibuster 16 December 2022 12: 49
          +5
          Mizulina horn did not rest


          Yes, what kind of sex education is there (which is simply critically necessary), Mizulina is already going to defend the rights of embryos:

          “An important point is the rights of the child. When in vitro fertilization occurs, in vitro fertilization usually occurs within a week, these germ cells are not legally protected in any way. In fact, they are no longer in the body of genetic parents, not yet in the body of a surrogate mother, and, accordingly, the embryo is defenseless and you can do whatever you want with it,” Mizulina explained.


          And so our “denseness”, which is served under the guise of “clamp”, sometimes plays a cruel joke with us, it’s not customary for us to go to urologists and for men, and it all translates into that, according to the unofficial opinion of doctors in Russia, at least 30-35% of men have symptoms of chronic prostatitis, and the examination of the prostate is perceived almost as a "rape". Even in the USSR, there was a “funny” moment when cosmonaut Vasyutin hid that he had prostatitis, treated him “on his own” for a long time (in fact, he simply tolerated it), and in the acute phase it manifested itself when the cosmonaut was already on the orbital station.

          Women have the same problem with all sorts of cystitis, etc., but they have a little better girls / women are forced to go to the gynecologist for examination more often.

          The second point in Russia is an incredibly high divorce rate and the sexual dissatisfaction of one or both spouses is also the cause and the same consequence of the taboo on everything related to sex, although simple education could significantly improve the situation.
          1. CirclePit
            CirclePit 16 December 2022 17: 30
            -2
            Whatever the Gosudrka amuses themselves with, as long as the printer works, which allows the odious petty tyrants there to have a platform for visibility
    3. flyer
      flyer 16 December 2022 20: 51
      -1
      We lost both souls and people a long time ago, when, on the ruins of the USSR, we decided from a common communal apartment, to move to private houses and apartments, and having moved, they quickly forgot and disowned everyone. And THEY waited and believed that at least we would help, we would shelter, that we would not leave in trouble ...
    4. guest
      guest 17 December 2022 20: 29
      0
      But a large number of Ukrainians have sold their souls to the devil, and this "comrade" will not give back their souls so easily.
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    1. dmi.pris1
      dmi.pris1 16 December 2022 11: 16
      +1
      In 2014, I had a dispute with a colleague. An adult, smart man argued that we do not need Crimea. Now, the truth goes to patriotic holidays with a tricolor on a bike ...
      1. filibuster
        filibuster 16 December 2022 12: 50
        +4
        Nightingale back in 2013 said that the Crimea is not needed.
        1. Plover
          Plover 16 December 2022 17: 09
          +4
          What Solovyov! The GDP stated that the borders of 1991 are not changeable for us.
        2. guest
          guest 19 December 2022 16: 35
          -1
          Can you provide a relevant quote?
          1. Plover
            Plover 22 December 2022 23: 45
            0
            Yes please. There is even a retrospective of his statements.
      2. Plover
        Plover 16 December 2022 17: 10
        0
        "Needed" in what sense? Historical? Political? Military? Economic?
        1. filibuster
          filibuster 19 December 2022 17: 30
          -1
          In any


          but I also recommend listening to what Solovyov said in 2008 about the war with Ukraine

  3. parusnik
    parusnik 16 December 2022 05: 41
    +4
    We came for our
    Ours, only in Ukraine, the rest is someone else's, already ... We are not going to denazify the Baltic States ... Not ours ... laughing
    1. Woodman
      Woodman 16 December 2022 09: 26
      -9
      Quote: parusnik
      We are not going to denazify the Baltic States

      Everything has its time.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 16 December 2022 16: 04
        +3
        Everything has its time.
        Soon as 20 years as in NATO
  4. Nikolay Malyugin
    Nikolay Malyugin 16 December 2022 05: 48
    -1
    It is necessary to clearly draw a dividing line between us and Ukraine. And then there are proposals to act like Ukrainians. It will not bring us anything good. And do not care about the West. Our people should be educated even on these hostilities. The main thing is that we are not fascists, and we cannot act by their methods.
    1. haron
      haron 17 December 2022 22: 08
      -2
      Quote: Nikolay Malyugin
      And then there are proposals to act like Ukrainians.

      What is it like? In response to the seizure of their territory, do not enter the territory of the invader? Or the destruction of the infrastructure of the ENTIRE country will be limited to chaotic shelling of a dozen NPs, warehouses and military facilities. Or announce a referendum on the annexation of the Krasnodar Territory
      You have a RELIABLE understanding of what is happening. Who is who.
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 16 December 2022 06: 16
    +8
    We came for our
    Correctly said. But for some reason, questions arise, why didn’t you come in 2014 (not only as volunteers)? Why have their own people in the Baltics been discriminated against and humiliated for 31 years, and we not only did not come, but still maintain relations with these fascist states? Many why. It’s good that they finally decided in 2021 to directly oppose the Kyiv regime and its sponsors. But again, at the beginning of the NWO, relying on their residents not in the Donbass, they made a number of mistakes.
    We came to Ukraine to heal people with the truth
    And most of these people want this cure living in a completely different "truth"? Apparently not only does not want, but also wants to destroy those who carry the truth. So is it necessary to "treat" these people (non-humans), explaining something to them and guiding them on the right path?
  6. Raccoon Raccoon
    Raccoon Raccoon 16 December 2022 07: 24
    +19
    Call Mr. Staver, it seems that someone has climbed into his plot!
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 16 December 2022 08: 10
      +12
      Quote: Poloskun raccoon
      Call Mr. Staver, it seems that someone has climbed into his plot!

      Definitely, I also thought that the author Staver
    2. AdAstra
      AdAstra 16 December 2022 11: 20
      0
      Ahahaha 100500 upvotes laughing "" ""
  7. N3onMiami
    N3onMiami 16 December 2022 07: 45
    +13
    At first I thought, yeah, again Staversky writings (with all due respect), but no. Stephen has a competitor.
    It was as if I read another transcript of the political officer's speech.
    1. Rosemary
      Rosemary 16 December 2022 09: 47
      +5
      Quote from N3onMiami
      At first I thought, yeah, again Staversky writings (with all due respect), but no. Stephen has a competitor.
      It was as if I read another transcript of the political officer's speech.

      And a nostalgic tear slipped down my unshaven cheek in the morning - as if I had been in my youth, I sat at the PPR.
      1. Plover
        Plover 16 December 2022 17: 07
        +1
        Exactly! I could not find a word in any way, who could such a "pile". Political officer! It seems to be heartfelt, but think a little and everything is sewn crookedly and obliquely
  8. alex51217
    alex51217 16 December 2022 07: 54
    +9
    And what ideas do we bring to Ukraine? Thirst for money, terry anti-Soviet, rampant corruption, etc. Do Ukrainians need us?
  9. krex pax
    krex pax 16 December 2022 08: 16
    +5
    So everything is correctly written, patriotic. So to speak from a simple folk point of view. But to be honest, the course of hostilities causes disappointment both in the capabilities of the army and in the desire of the president to achieve the stated tasks. I will name the most incomprehensible things for me personally: the lack of strikes on logistics (bridges, railway lines), frontal attacks on fortified areas is the height of military thought, reconnaissance, target designation, requests for negotiations. In short, the current state of affairs is simply a disgrace and a failure of the reign of the emperor. One good thing is that we now see all the shortcomings and can correct them. If we really want real change.
  10. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 16 December 2022 08: 18
    +2
    History has repeatedly proven that sooner or later we take back the lands taken from us.

    What did she prove? Poland with Finland, or is there Port Arthur?! I will quote from Krasnov's "Behind the Thistle" (the same ataman whom the Soviet government hanged), so that it is clear what dense thoughts these are
    One of the great sovereigns of Russia, - said Shuisky seriously, - in Bose, the resting emperor Nikolai I Pavlovich said: "Where the Russian flag is once raised, it should not be lowered." Europe, cutting the Russian Empire into pieces, carving out new states from it, incapable of independent life, did not ask either the legitimate owners of the Russian land - the Romanovs, or the Russian people. She stole the property of the Russian crown, as a thief steals property during a fire. And what was stolen must be returned. The Russian people do not need these pieces as much as they themselves need to join the great Christian faith, Russian culture.
    1. Woodman
      Woodman 16 December 2022 09: 34
      +2
      Quote: Stirbjorn
      Or is it Port Arthur?

      About Port Arthur, you are in vain. It was only rented for a quarter of a century. But, on the other hand, Sakhalin should have been mentioned in conjunction with Port Arthur.
      1. guest
        guest 19 December 2022 16: 41
        0
        Quote: Lesovik
        Sakhalin should have been mentioned as well.

        And the Kuriles.
  11. north 2
    north 2 16 December 2022 09: 15
    +5
    Firstly, in Bismarck's aphorism about Russia, it is not so much important what Russia always comes for, but the end of Bismarck's quote is important, that ... with Russians it is worth either playing fair or not playing at all ..
    Moreover, in modern times, Bismarck's words are no longer intended for the enemies of Russia so that they do not deceive Russia, but for Russia, so that, being deceived by the West a hundred times, it would not agree to play with the West again ... And in the time that has passed since Bismarck, Russia today Bismarck's words should be corrected that Russia will come last for its money, before that it will come for its lands and its people. How could Bismarck know that some Gorbachev and Yeltsin would appear in Russia, who would throw back the borders of the lands of Russia 400 years ago, leaving 20 Russian and Russian devoted Russian-speaking people on these lands.
    Secondly, the article emphasizes the idea that many of the Russian fraternal people in Russia in Ukraine have now turned into Vlasov and Bandera, such an idea is criminally erroneous. Not now, but a long time ago! In my long life, I have heard thousands of times how the Russians said that the Ukrainians are brothers to us, but I have never heard a Ukrainian say that the Russians are his brothers. Too lazy to search on youtube and copy the statement by my respected actor Guskov about his childhood in Ukraine. Even then, a neighbor of his mother explained that if anything, then coffins with Muscovites would float along the Dnieper. In a bad coffin, a bad Muscovite, and in a good coffin, a good Muscovite. This neighbor considered the Guskov family to be good Muscovites ... You can watch Guskov's interview about Ukrainians for yourself. So this is only one published, out of millions of cases ...
  12. Wildcat
    Wildcat 16 December 2022 09: 28
    +8
    It was worth starting the SVO just to ensure that Russian children in Ukrainian schools would never again learn from textbooks that declare Russia an enemy and fascist henchmen national heroes.
    Well, it's finally clear! Urgently, extremely urgently, we send Lavrov to the UN with the correct edition of the textbook! If these are all our requirements, then something tells me that everyone will agree to such a textbook.
    So let's write it down: "Russia is not an enemy. Fascist henchmen are not national heroes." Two offers and a win! Hooray!
    1. guest
      guest 19 December 2022 16: 46
      0
      Quote: Wildcat
      If these are all our requirements, then something tells me that everyone will agree to such a textbook.

      No, they don't agree on anything. A textbook that denies the meaning of the existence of this pseudo-state called Ukraine is unacceptable for the Kyiv junta.
  13. Nikolay Malyugin
    Nikolay Malyugin 16 December 2022 09: 29
    +1
    If we are the same in the state system, then we will not achieve victory soon. Who wants to change the awl for soap. What, what, and justice from the West is not to be expected. And people are waiting for justice. The world will simply collapse if there is no justice anywhere. Some see justice in socialism. Others see it in the shell of the Russian Empire. But if we take the distant past, then everyday freedom was an order of magnitude higher. And the closer to us it shrank like shagreen leather. In the distant past, the poor could freely fish, cut wood - "a woodcutter's ax was heard in the forest..." Now everything has been calculated. A step to the right or left and you are already a delinquent. I understand that you will not return to the past. On the battlefield, first of all, they render those wounded who are silent. Shock and death may ensue. In life, only those who scream the loudest are helped. Justice is directly related to the truth. It is better to remain silent than to lie half-and-half.
  14. kor1vet1974
    kor1vet1974 16 December 2022 10: 09
    +3
    The most amazing thing is that behind all the "pseudo-patriotic" slogans, we will return everything back, we will show NATO, Kuzma's mother, where will we bury? etc. etc. They don’t want to see the main thing. Russia is now in a dark and poorly ventilated place, but in a warm one. Let’s consider options. First. We annexed all of Ukraine. Someone may have been sent to Siberia to clear the snow. Pereyaslav Rada 2.0 took place. With Russia, forever and ever. Recognize? They recognize. Nauru, Venezuela, Nicaragua, North Korea, Abkhazia and South Ossetia. The rest either do not recognize or abstain. They personally recognize Lukashenko, but not Belarus. Sanctions, no one will cancel, maybe they will soften. There is a 100% option when Ukraine is already not joining either NATO or the EU. We will have to restore the entire infrastructure, provide housing for everyone from West to East, who lost it. Where does the money come from, Zin? For all this. The second option. Type, they returned theirs. I won’t repeat myself, I wrote above. But some were returned. And the rest is a blood enemy, forever, with a possible entry into NATO and the EU.
    1. guest
      guest 19 December 2022 16: 50
      -1
      Quote: kor1vet1974
      Where did the money come from, Zin?

      Did you try to print? For "partners" it always works.
    2. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 19 December 2022 18: 16
      -1
      Quote: kor1vet1974
      Recognize? They recognize. Nauru, Venezuela, Nicaragua, North Korea, Abkhazia and South Ossetia. The rest either do not recognize or abstain. They personally recognize Lukashenko, but not Belarus. Sanctions, no one will cancel, maybe softened.

      Are you so worried about recognition-non-recognition? And you know that the entry of the Baltic limitrophes into the USSR was never recognized by mattress covers. So what? Did it bother you at the time? Did the leaders of the world powers talk to the USSR? Or has your life under sanctions become simply unbearable?
      And what are you signing for RB? Have you already held a referendum on this issue in Belarus?
  15. iouris
    iouris 16 December 2022 12: 49
    +1
    The "Russians" did not "come", but are returning.
    It was not "Russians" who came, but the Russian state with its center in Moscow.
    They haven't arrived yet, but they're coming.
    The war is not with Ukraine (which no longer exists), but with anti-Russian and anti-Russian projects that are being implemented by the Euro-Banderites, i.e. Nazis, pathological killers, tormentors of people, stranglers of ideas, nonhumans. Yes, nonhumans - do not be shy. The core of their so-called "ideology" is "Kill the Russian!" They should not cause any feelings other than hatred - and you should not try to hide your head in the sand (the ground is concrete).
  16. Maks1995
    Maks1995 16 December 2022 13: 46
    +7
    Yes, the old slogans are being remembered less and less, the grandmother with the red flag has disappeared somewhere, and now propaganda is looking for something else to say.
    "They came for their own. Lands and people."

    Earth, the stump is clear, what he attached, then his own. True, none of the ordinary people in Kyiv will be lucky to sell potatoes. But the attached deposits of Titanium and aluminum, fertilizers, coal .... for the oligarchs, that's it.

    People - well, it's more difficult. As Strelkov also said - if his own, why didn’t anyone think to evacuate them from shelling in the LDNR? did not recognize the LDNR for 8 years of these attacks? Even now, the Old Man does not recognize, like China, Uzbekistan, India and other ... partners.

    So it's not really needed. The Russian spring and democracy have been merged. In the republics EDRO tezhe, oligarchs and poverty. How many "friends" were evacuated - somehow there were no numbers here. How much it took with IEDs - too.

    Well, the rest .... until the age of 14, everyone calmly went to the Crimea to rest through Ukraine.
    And then in the media - how much gas was pumped through Ukraine, how much money Gazprom and Naftogaz earned, what bonuses the owners received ...
    Well, now, in the NWO, all that remains is to write: "We came for our own"
    1. CirclePit
      CirclePit 16 December 2022 17: 25
      -1
      Regarding the evacuation, there is a notable case with my acquaintance from Donetsk - once after the shelling they turned off the water in the area, and then, when the residents asked the local government why the water supply was not turned on again, they were explained that on paper they had already been evacuated - although none of them left.
  17. VvVv0404
    VvVv0404 16 December 2022 16: 45
    -2
    And moreover, the national question, if these military actions are a consequence of the expansion of Russian capitalists over Ukrainian ones. Yes, with elements of a civil war!
  18. zenion
    zenion 16 December 2022 16: 55
    -5
    The author again forgot the main thing - the Russians came to Ukraine when they were called there and supported. After all this, they did not want to see them there, as those guests who, after gatherings with a drink, were supposed to return to their home, and not stay there to live. The Russians stayed there due to the fact that they did not have the strength, and the opportunity at that time to hint to the guests that it was time to say hello to the bula and leave. Now they decided to say it and now there is no reason to stay there. Russia was deceived, strangers to Ukraine brought them to shame, showing that they were not in Ukraine at the request. The operation was covered with a pelvis with a sound.
  19. Plover
    Plover 16 December 2022 17: 03
    +2
    return them to the information space of truth and historical justice

    Here it is possible in more detail and more specifically (didn't you take part in setting goals for the NWO), which "information space" do you consider saturated with truth and justice? Solovyov and Skarabeeva?
  20. CirclePit
    CirclePit 16 December 2022 17: 22
    0
    Installation on the denationalization and demilitarization of Ukraine...


    So denationalization or denazification?

    What is the difference between the concepts of nationalism and Nazism?
    What is fascism?
    What are his signs?
    Most of the population will not be able to answer these questions, except for the last one, citing as examples the regimes that were on the side of the Axis during the Second World War.

    Paying attention to this inaccuracy, we can state the fact that everywhere we are trying to shove propaganda that does not have any specific goals, but justifies everything that happens with such a simple and understandable paradigm "Of course, we are for everything good against everything bad"
    1. guest
      guest 19 December 2022 16: 57
      0
      And that there is no Nazism in Ukraine? I propose to walk along the streets of Bandera, Shukhevych and other Nazi henchmen in any of the cities of the so-called Ukraine.
  21. Igor_Lvovich
    Igor_Lvovich 16 December 2022 17: 41
    0
    And what did the ambassadors do? Zurabov, Chernomyrdin ....? Hopak danced? Wasn't that their job?
  22. Zenn
    Zenn 16 December 2022 18: 08
    +2
    There was only one way to fix this - to return them to the information space of truth and historical justice.

    In the forties and fifties of the last century, many Bandera and Vlasovites were returned to the space of truth and justice.
    And how did it help?
  23. runway-1
    runway-1 16 December 2022 18: 52
    +1
    Bismarck is credited with saying that Russians always come back for their money. I do not know why the bellicose chancellor attributed to our people such not Russian, but definitely European commercialism.
    Exactly what they attribute! In general, the article is an ordinary agitprop ... winked
  24. Ulan.1812
    Ulan.1812 16 December 2022 19: 57
    +1
    Do you need to invent something? Or maybe Olga Kachura has already said everything? I am not at war with Ukrainians, I am at war with fascism.
    This is clear and understandable.
    And after the victory and the corresponding indoctrination, let the Ukrainians themselves decide whether they are ours or not.
    The author is right, we missed Ukraine.
    Nuland said they only invested five billion in propaganda.
    And we invested two hundred in the economy of Ukraine and thought that Ukraine would not go anywhere.
    It turned out that propaganda won over the economy and the Americans got anti-Russia for just five lards, with all the ensuing consequences for us.
    What can we give them?
    Probably be yourself.
  25. vadim_ivanov
    vadim_ivanov 16 December 2022 22: 54
    -1
    with such a loss of civilians, some kind of game, while this is a farce and big words
  26. FPEDDI_KPYGEP
    FPEDDI_KPYGEP 16 December 2022 22: 57
    -2
    Let France return for its own, in the time of Napoleon Kyiv was France ...
    1. Chervony Biker
      Chervony Biker 19 December 2022 00: 35
      0
      As 1200 years ago, so now, Kyiv pays tribute to a living commodity - the Khaganate.
      And in Ukrainian schools they say that he was France??? lol
  27. ratcatcher
    ratcatcher 17 December 2022 05: 42
    +1
    "Bismarck is credited with the phrase that the Russians always come back for their money." - he did not say so. Changed phrase. Bismarck wrote in such a vein that if the state is faced with a question important for its survival, then no treaties are worth the paper on which they are written.
  28. Aag
    Aag 17 December 2022 09: 16
    +1
    "... Direction on the denationalization and demilitarization of Ukraine, voiced by the president ..." (c) from the article.
    Be careful with wording. The original was about "denazification".
  29. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 17 December 2022 09: 46
    0
    What kind of Russians are the authors of such texts talking about all the time?! Where did they find this mythical nation? The state and the government very clearly indicate what we have here, namely, "Russians"! In principle, these very "Russians" cannot have anything of their own outside the current borders, it is quite clear that the only unifying concept for these amorphous "Russians" is the state border!
    It is harmful not to understand the politics of the state in which you live. There are no Russians! For many years, the government, the president, and the media belonging to them have been silent about them. They begin to pay attention to these non-existent Russians only when it is necessary to send someone to their death. But the danger has passed, and they are gone again.
    You are delusional, the author, you seem to ...
  30. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 17 December 2022 20: 55
    -1
    All this is good. But on UA. So they may not count. And, surprisingly for many Russians, they don’t consider it!.. What a turn!...
    How much was ridicule about toilets / toilet bowls / latrines on some boats! ..
    And they drowned the cruiser Moscow! ..
    Maybe it’s enough to write the front canoe, however ...
    And with Snake Island. What was that? .. How many people were put in order to take it?
    And then hand it over.
    There are generally sane people sitting there?! ..
  31. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 17 December 2022 21: 16
    +1
    “There was only one way to fix this - to return them to the information space of truth and historical justice. As life has shown, there is simply no other way. lying was almost impossible, especially in the context of total anti-Russian censorship of the Ukrainian media and the education system."
    Yes, there is no way to fix this.
    Late. The steamer is gone.
    What the hell is fairness...
    Leave these mantras alone.
    Only a successful attack on a white horse can help. No other way. hi
  32. t200404
    t200404 17 December 2022 23: 46
    -1
    Those who felt like a Russian even before they moved, and after it started from 50% of the enemies increased to 90%, what does the author propose to do with them?
  33. Vladimir100
    Vladimir100 18 December 2022 01: 33
    +1
    Quote from shikin
    Yes, many are still without weapons in their hands, but they treat us like enemies - invaders. What to do with them?

    organize green corridors to the west
    1. Chervony Biker
      Chervony Biker 19 December 2022 00: 30
      +1
      Absolutely right!
      "Operation Wisla", only from east to west.
  34. Vladimir100
    Vladimir100 18 December 2022 01: 35
    +1
    Quote: t200404
    Those who felt like a Russian even before they moved, and after it started from 50% of the enemies increased to 90%, what does the author propose to do with them?

    That's just the self-seekers and moved and the most perspicacious and persistent remained. Those who are hostile are partly driven out to the West, partly for re-education.
  35. Vladimir100
    Vladimir100 18 December 2022 01: 38
    -2
    Quote: Benzorez
    return them to the information space of truth and historical justice.

    it’s good only if there is justice and truth somewhere in the world. but what about their desire for democracy.
  36. Vladimir100
    Vladimir100 18 December 2022 01: 42
    -2
    the main thing is that the returned territories should not be turned into the meaning of truth and justice into a new big land
  37. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 18 December 2022 10: 19
    +1
    Correct article, respect to the author. Yes, the Russians are coming for their own.
  38. Roman Efremov
    Roman Efremov 18 December 2022 13: 47
    +3
    We came for our own - but we will have to kill a certain number of these of our own in the process of their release. These are the realities of this war - everything is intertwined and mixed. It is impossible to cut out the tumor without pain and blood.
  39. Altmann
    Altmann 18 December 2022 15: 00
    0
    In this sense, the monstrous system of Russophobic education of the younger generation deserves special attention, and this applies not only to Ukraine. he was especially successful in the Czech Republic. Loss of pride in Czech history and taken over by the Anglo-Saxon genies of Britain and the USA. From the Czech Republic, the youth became Russophobes. am
  40. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 18 December 2022 23: 14
    0
    They didn't come, they returned. His commentary is short, you understand.
  41. Chervony Biker
    Chervony Biker 19 December 2022 00: 27
    0
    Everything is written correctly in the article.
    You can say with pain, piercingly.
    After the Victory over the Wehrmacht's coming out, you will have to treat brains and souls
    And the methods indicated are correct - counter-propaganda and the education system.
    But ...
    The current level of counter-propaganda is, to put it mildly, miserable.
    Often, this is done by people who do not understand what was happening in Ukraine, not only from the age of 14, but much earlier.
    There is no understanding of the huge mental difference between the regions of Ukraine.
    And there can be differences, even within the same village!
    There is no understanding how the Ukrainians have changed. society adopted just before the war laws adopted on the eve. On the sale of land, for example.
    There are no answers, should we all hope for transformations in society in the direction of social justice?