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Destruction of Ukraine's Infrastructure: Opportunity and Necessity

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Destruction of Ukraine's Infrastructure: Opportunity and Necessity

Probably the first question I get asked when talking about the situation in Ukraine is the question of destroying enemy infrastructure. Foaming at the mouth, the most radical interlocutors prove the need to destroy bridges, junction stations, just railway tracks, substations and other facilities of the Ukrainian railway.


It is quite difficult to argue with such interlocutors. Why during World War II partisans, saboteurs, aviation and artillery destroyed bridges, but we don’t today? Why don't we use the full power of our weapons for this? The command does not understand that it is precisely by rail that heavy weapons are delivered to the front?

Interesting and seemingly valid questions. Indeed, represent the resource consumption, for example, tank, if you drive him under your own power at least from the border? Okay, not to drive, but to drive on a trailer, as is done in most armies of the world. This is an excellent target for the Aerospace Forces and artillery. And help the ground forces on the front line ...

I will express my point of view on this issue. For the most part, it was about the destruction of Ukrainian bridges in the areas of hostilities and in the deep rear of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

The bridge is the most complex engineering structure


Bridges have always been and remain an essential object of defense and the most important goal in any war. This is especially true for strategic objects. Bridges with multiple lanes capable of withstanding heavy equipment and heavy weaponry. Accordingly, both those who defend the bridges and those who are trying to destroy them understand this.

To begin with, let me remind you of the two most famous operations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to destroy bridges. The first is an attempt to destroy the Antonovsky bridge, and the second is the destruction of the Crimean bridge. Do you remember how many attempts were made to disable the Antonovsky Bridge? And what is the result? When leaving Kherson, we calmly brought our heavy equipment over this bridge.

In the second variant, another question is interesting. How many explosives did the saboteurs need to collapse the bridge? And is it possible again? Our slovenliness is most often disposable. I don’t think that another loaded truck will be able to penetrate this bridge after the appropriate sticking to the special services.

Is it possible today to destroy such objects as the Antonovsky or Crimean bridge with UAVs or missiles? Probably, maybe. But for this it will be necessary to use such a number of missiles and drones that the object will become “gold”. And the result will be in question.

Destroying the bridge bed or railroad tracks, embankment and other facilities is sheer stupidity. Efficiency approaches zero. Even in the First World War, when such explosions were practiced constantly, any armored train had a special repair team and the necessary equipment for the quick repair of tracks. And it takes, the railroad workers will confirm, from an hour to a day, depending on the degree of destruction.

It is necessary to destroy the bridge supports. And if you forget about tactical nuclear weapons, aviation can do this. And the enemy knows it. That's why bridges are protected accordingly. Air defense systems in these areas are built with particular care. Remember the footage from Soviet war films showing the bombing of bridges. Only the most desperate pilots were sent on such missions. To attack along the canvas, practically in the forehead of anti-aircraft gunners, this is almost one hundred percent death ...

I will give one example from stories armies of our other potential enemy. During the Vietnam War, the Americans faced the challenge of destroying a critical strategic bridge at Thanh Hoa in North Vietnam. The result of the confrontation between the bridge and aviation is as follows. The bridge withstood 841 air raids! Vietnamese air defense destroyed 11 enemy aircraft!

Only the advent of laser-guided Paveway bombs in 1972 saved the day. Fourteen raids using this ammunition resulted in critical damage. I think this example is sufficient to understand the power of this goal. And, perhaps, I cannot say for sure, talk about the use of tactical nuclear weapons arose, including from the strategic need to destroy bridges.

Strategic Necessity


I repeat, any major bridge is a strategic facility. Again, I recall the footage from the movies about the beginning of the war. There are many such shots. Some general scolds an officer or even another general for not destroying the strategic bridge during the retreat. Have you ever wondered why this happened so often then?

Were the Soviet generals and officers so stupid that they did not understand the importance of this ill-fated bridge? Alas, but for quite a long time we were inspired by this idea. Stories about repressions in the army, about the fact that the most talented were shot or imprisoned, perfectly illustrated this. But in reality this is not the case at all.

Do you remember what the soldiers were told about in the first months of the war? Soon we will stop the enemy and chase them from our land with a filthy broom! It was faith in the strength of the Red Army. Now about how it is connected with bridges. Any commander was well aware that the very bridge that he was about to blow up would soon be needed for the offensive! His offensive!

There will be no bridge, personnel and equipment will gather at the crossing and turn into an easy target for enemy aircraft. Add to this the evacuation of refugees who are streaming across the bridge. Add the export of material resources. Add supply units to the front line. Here is the answer to the question why the bridge was not blown up.

It is no secret that the destruction of any strategic bridge should have been authorized at the level of the General Staff or Headquarters! And so it was almost the entire war. Moreover, failure to comply with this order almost always ended in a tribunal for the commander who made the decision.

In the conditions of today's Ukraine, the destruction of strategic bridges means the abandonment of the offensive in this particular area and the transition to total defense. True, in the case of Kherson and the Antonovsky bridge, there are options ...

Well, the last part of this. The destruction of strategic bridges in the depths of defense, in the western regions of Ukraine, is also ineffective. Ukraine has had a very extensive rail system since Soviet times.

So, having overcome all the obstacles that I wrote about above, and destroying some bridge, we will get only a short-term result. The trains will be directed to other routes. How much time it will take, I hope, is understandable. The global destruction of bridges will lead to the collapse of the transport system and a humanitarian catastrophe in Ukraine.

Is it possible to block the supply of arms to Ukraine?


The question is interesting and very timely. Indeed, it is necessary to block supply channels. Is it possible to do this quickly and for a more or less significant period of time? Can! But it will be necessary to risk strategic bombers. Only these machines are capable of delivering strikes with weapons that are guaranteed to destroy bridges with the first blow.

The main logistics hub of Ukraine today is Lviv. It is here that military cargo flows not only from Poland, but also from Slovakia. The Polish city of Rzeszow, which has been turned into a gathering place for most Western supplies, is only 146 kilometers from Lviv. Slovaks supply equipment through the Transcarpathian region.

A close look at the map of these areas reveals an interesting detail. All logistics can crumble if only 7 bridges and one tunnel (Beskydy Tunnel) are destroyed. There is also the Uzhok Pass in the Carpathians...

I do not think that such a task is set before our Armed Forces. The situation at the front is under control. The task set by the Commander-in-Chief is being carried out. There is no particular need for radical solutions. The Armed Forces of Ukraine and so "live from hand to mouth." There are not enough weapons, ammunition, personnel.

What our Armed Forces are doing is necessary and sufficient action today. The logistics of Ukraine is extremely difficult. Many hauls are de-energized and use diesel locomotives instead of electric locomotives. The schedule of transportation throughout Ukraine has been disrupted. Of course, some "touches" can be added, such as strikes against diesel locomotive depots and repair enterprises, but...

With the intensification of hostilities, such a decision may well be taken. But this is just a guess. That's why commanders and their headquarters exist to make extraordinary decisions not calculated by the enemy ...
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  1. jonht
    jonht 15 December 2022 05: 06
    -13
    It is hard to disagree with you, indeed, it is necessary to put expediency at the forefront .... hi
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 15 December 2022 06: 05
      +20
      Quote: jonht
      It is hard to disagree with you, indeed, it is necessary to put expediency at the forefront ....

      That's exactly what. But here the question is what, in fact, is the expediency? As per author:
      Foaming at the mouth, the most radical interlocutors prove the need to destroy bridges, junction stations, just railways, substations and other facilities

      so straight forward radicals!!! And I think that the prevention and destruction at a long distance to the front line of weapons that kill our boys and civilians is the main expediency !!! And call me a radical all you want.
      1. jonht
        jonht 15 December 2022 06: 35
        -4
        Why should I count someone? Your opinion is yours. This is how you see expediency, the author differently. I agree with him on some points and disagree on others. But when planning operations, our opinion and desires are not "expedient" .... For example, I don’t read Roman Skomorokhov on principle, I rarely agree with his opinion, and even raising the right questions, he does it so ..... provocative, that for me the meaning of these materials is lost.
        1. NDR-791
          NDR-791 15 December 2022 06: 46
          +12
          Quote: jonht
          This is how you see expediency, the author differently.

          That's exactly what. And the conditional oligarch sees his expediency. And GSh some fourth. And the military-industrial complex is the fifth. Solid "swan cancer pike". "With little blood in foreign territory" we have already tried at the beginning. With this approach, "at any cost" for happiness will seem.
        2. skeptick2
          skeptick2 15 December 2022 10: 32
          +19
          Quote: jonht
          For example, I don’t read Roman Skomorokhov, I don’t read it on principle, I rarely agree with his opinion, and even raising the right questions, he does it in such a way ..... provocative that for me the meaning of these materials is lost.

          Of course.
          Mr. Staver is much more pleasant to read, isn't it? It's so soothing...
          You read this pearl of his: "The situation at the front is under control. The task set by the Commander-in-Chief is being carried out" - and so it becomes good! So wonderful! A real balm for the soul! Everything goes according to plan. There are no reasons to worry.
        3. Zakirov Damir
          Zakirov Damir 15 December 2022 21: 49
          -1
          Quote: jonht
          Your opinion is yours. This is how you see expediency, the author differently. I agree with him on some points and disagree on others.

          An extremely appropriate comment!
          For some reason, many cannot understand the simple idea that high-tech means of destruction are limited resources. Or you use them to destroy targets deep behind enemy lines or directly on the line of contact, for example, destroying an enemy long-range MLRS, tank, etc. That is, goals that allow us to save the lives of our servicemen of the Russian army. And the line of contact is more than a thousand kilometers and there are enough worthy targets.

          It seems that for many, the creation of high-tech weapons and pasties seems to be approximately at the same level of technological and financial cost.!

          Quote: jonht
          For example, I don’t read Roman Skomorokhov, I don’t read it on principle, I rarely agree with his opinion, and even raising the right questions, he does it in such a way ..... provocative that for me the meaning of these materials is lost.

          I have said it several times and will repeat it. This is a local "buffoon" who has formed his own public of nihilists who deny everything and everyone. Such a constant opposition to the authorities, which I also do not support, but this is really done in such a provocative tone that it causes irritation!

          You are a plus and sorry that I have the opportunity to put only one!
    2. Shark Lover
      Shark Lover 15 December 2022 07: 49
      -5
      Right now you will be slapped with 53 minuses and there will be 53 comments below, reasoning to demolish all bridges, flood kuev with shit (sewers, although this option is very attractive, Artamonov spoke about it))))))))))))). I suggest that all demolishers go as a volunteer to the Belgorod region and take part in the construction of the cut-off line of defense, see for themselves how and what))))
      1. AAK
        AAK 15 December 2022 13: 53
        +3
        So far, colleague, the situation with the minuses is somewhat the opposite ... But at the expense of sewage and drowning in ... (hello to the moderators !!!) - an interesting proposal ... The General Staff and the command of the NWO should think about it, the results are very effective and promising in success plan
  2. parusnik
    parusnik 15 December 2022 05: 24
    +13
    Why during World War II partisans, saboteurs, aviation and artillery destroyed bridges
    Even during the Great Patriotic War, the destruction of bridges, railways, there were no fix ideas, practice has shown that the canvas and bridges are being restored by the enemy, and Starinov's concept was adopted, to disable steam locomotives with echelons, this gave a better effect.
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 15 December 2022 05: 44
      +18
      From March 24 to June 8, 1999, (in less than 3 months) NATO carried out over 35 raids on FR Yugoslavia. More than 000 combat aircraft participated in the operation. More than 1000 cruise missiles were launched and more than 10 tons were dropped Great damage was done to the country's road and rail network, many bridges and roads were destroyed.

      Bridges (6 - destroyed, 8 damaged)
      Varadinsky bridge on the Danube (April 1)
      railway bridge over the river Toplitsa, on the way Nish-Prokuple-Prishtina, near the village. Podina, municipality of Žitoraja (April 1-14)
      Bridge "Freedom" across the Danube, Novi Sad (April 3)
      Molodist bridge across the Danube, which links Bačka Palanka and Ilok (April 3)
      bridge over the Vrbachka River near Jezgrovitsa on the Ribaritsa-Kosovska Mitrovica highway (April 4)
      railway bridge near Rudnice, near the town of Raska - a city in Serbia --> Raska - a city in Serbia - a city in Serbia, on the railway track Kraljevo-Kosovo field (April 4)
      bridge "Lucice" over the river Ibar near the village Bilyanovac, Raska - a city in Serbia --> Raska - a city in Serbia - a city in Serbia (April 4-13)
      railway bridge across the Ibar river, Tuslichi, Rudnitsa municipality (April 4)
      railway/road bridge "Zhezhelev bridge" in Novi Sad (April 5)
      Lozno railway bridge near Ushcha (April 5)
      new railway/road bridge across the Danube between Bogoevo and Erduta (April 5)
      road bridge on the way Magura-Belachevac, 15 km from Pristina (April 5)
      bridge on the Nis-Pristina highway near Kursumlia (April 5)
      road bridge towards Brvenik, near Ušče (April 5)
      bridge near Zubin Potok on the Kosovska Mitrovica-Ribaritsa highway (April 5)
      railway bridge across the South Morava in Grdelichka Klisura (April 12)
      road bridge "Sarajevo" across the South Morava in Grdelichka Klisura (April 12-May 14)
      old bridge across the river Rasina, near the town of Krusevac (April 12-13)
      new bridge across the Racina river, near Krusevac (April 12-13)
      bridge on the Western Morava in the village of Jasika, on the way Krusevac-Pojata (April 13)
      road bridge on the river Kosanitsa near Kursumlia (April 13)
      road bridge on the Prokuple-Pristina highway, s. Pepelovac, Kursumlija community (April 14)
      bridge on the Kursumlija-Prokuple regional road (April 14)
      bridge over the river Toplitsa, on the Nis-Pristina highway near Kursumlija (April 14, 19 and May 11)
      destroyed railway bridge on Lima near Priboy and Priepol, near the Bistritsa hydroelectric power station (April 15)
      bridge on the river Ibar near Brvenik, between Korlache and Raska - a city in Serbia (April 15)
      bridge across the Danube that links Smederevo and Kovin (April 16)
      railway bridge on the Kosanitsa river, Rudari village, Kursumlija municipality, Prokuple-Pristina railway (April 18)
      bridge on the Kosanitsa river, Visoko village (April 18)
      Raskrsnica road bridge near Donje Bistrice, on the Priboi-Priepole-Nova Varosh highway (April 20)
      bridge over the Danube along the Belgrade-Novi Sad highway near Beske, Indjija RD (April 21)
      railway bridge on the Sava near Ostružnice (April 21, 23)
      bridge on the railway Kraljevo-Raska - a city in Serbia--> Raska - a city in Serbia - a city in Serbia near Kraljevo (April 23)
      bridge over the river Lab, highway Kosovska Mitrovica-Pristina, with. Babin Most (April 27)
      bridge over the railway on the Bilanovac-Kopaonik regional line (April 29)
      bridge "Uzhichki" across the river. Uvac, Kokin Brod municipality, Uzice-Nova Varos highway (April 30)
      road bridge near Visoka village, Kursumlija (April 30)
      bridge over the West Morava river, near Trstenik, Trstenik-Velika Drenova highway (April 30)
      bridge near Visoka village, Kursumlija municipality (April 30)
      railway bridge across the river Ibar, near Boishte (April 30)
      bridge over the river Lim near the village. Kuchin, highway Priepole-Nova Varosh (May 1)
      bridge on the regional road Krusevac-Razanj, near the village. Junish (May 1)
      railway bridge near Medari village (May 1)
      railway bridge near Rudare (May 1)
      bridge over the river Bistrica, Nova-Varosh-Priboi road, Nova Varosh municipality (May 3)
      railway bridge near the village of Vatin, Belgrade-Temishvar railway (May 7)
      railway bridge across the river. Shovel, p. Bogutovac, municipality of Kraljevo (May 8)
      bridge over the river Nishava, Nis (May 8)
      bridge on the Belgrade-Nish highway near Mijatovac (May 8-14)
      bridge near Vladicin Han, on the river South Morava (May 11)
      bridge over the river Vrapchevska River near the village. Ribaritsa, towards Kosovska Mitrovica (May 12)
      bridge on the Gorne Nerodimle-Jezerce road, Uroševac municipality (May 12)
      new bridge in Bilyanovtsi, with. Zhizhovtsi (May 12)
      the old bridge over the canal in Vrbas, on the road Vrbas-Srbobran and Vrbas-Feketic (May 13)
      bridge on the Belgrade-Nish highway across the Nishava river near the village. Popovac (13 May)
      bridge over the river Lugomir, on the Belgrade-Nish highway near Jagodin (May 14)
      bridge on the highway Konjsko-Toplichane across the river. Sitnica, Lipljan municipality (May 14)
      bridge on the local road Pec-Kosovska Mitrovica across the river. Istochka, near Djurakovac (May 17)
      bridge over the river Brvenica, in Brvenica, on the regional highway Kraljevo-Raska - a city in Serbia --> Raska - a city in Serbia - a city in Serbia (May 17)
      bridge over the river Begei near the village of Banatski Dvor, municipality of Zitiste (May 20)
      bridge over the river Yasenica on the Belgrade-Nish highway near Orasja, Velika Plana municipality (May 21-25)
      bridge "Tsekavachki" across the river. Jablanica near Labane, on the local Leskovac-Pristina road (May 27)
      bridge on the Nish-Sofia highway near the village. Popovac, Nis region (May 29)
      railway bridge on the Nis-Sofia railway line near Bela Palanka (May 29)
      bridge on the river Velika Morava, Varvarin (May 30)
      railway bridge across the river. Nishava, railway Bela Palanca-Pirot (May 31)
      Ways of communication (6)
      railway Kraljevo - Kosovo field, near Ibarska Slatina
      railway Belgrade - Bar (mined near the village of Strbats)
      railway Kursumliya - Prokuple, near the village. Pepelevacha
      railway Nis - Pristina, near Kursumlia
      destroyed tunnel "Sharpel" near the village. Erinya, 15 km north of Leposavich towards Rashka
      Railway tracks and stations
      Railway Kraljevo-Kosovo Pole near Ibarska Slatina
      Belgrade-Bar railway (mined near the village of Štrbats) and the bridge over the Lim river between Priboj and Priepole was destroyed (April 3)
      Prokuple-Kosovo Pole railway and tunnel near Merdare, Kursumlija municipality (April 11)
      Belgrade-Thessaloniki railway due to the destruction of the bridge in Grdelichka Klisura (April 12)
      Rail track near Bilanovac (April 15)
      Rail track on the line Kosovska Mitrovica-Leposavic-Raska - a city in Serbia --> Raska - a city in Serbia - a city in Serbia due to damage to the bridge in the village of Bilyanovac (April 15)
      Kursumlija-Prokuple railway, near the village. Pepeljavac
      Railway Kraljevo-Kosovo Pole, near the village. Ibarska Slatina
      Nis-Pristina railway near Kursumlie
      Tunnel "Sharpel" near the village of Erinya, 15 km north of Leposavica in the direction of Raska - a city in Serbia --> Raska - a city in Serbia - a city in Serbia
      Rail track Kursumlija-Podujevo due to bridge damage near Kursumlija
      Belgrade-Bucharest railway due to destruction of bridges near Vatin (May 7)
      Railway Kraljevo-Kragujevac, due to damage to the railway track near the village. Vitanovac
      Čačak-Kraljevo rail track near Kraljevo (May 17)
      Rail track Uzhice-Priboy
      Railroad Bogojevo-Vukovar
      Rail track Leskovac-Predejane
      Nis-Sofia rail track due to the destruction of the bridge near Bela palanka (May 29)
      Railway station in Lukichevo near Zrenjanin (May 25)
      Railway station in Kraljevo-Bogutovac
      Railway station in Kosovo Polka
      Railway station in Bilanovac
      Roadways
      Traffic stopped on part of the Adriatic highway Kosovska Mitrovica-Ribarici due to the destruction of the bridge on the Vrbachka River (April 4)
      Traffic was stopped on the Krusevac-Pojate highway due to the destruction of the bridge on the Western Morava in the village of Jasika (April 13)
      The main road Prizren-Jakovica near the village. Mala Krupa during an attack on a convoy of Albanian refugees who were returning home (April 14)
      Traffic was stopped on the Nis-Pristina highway due to the destruction of the bridge over the Toplitsa River near Kursumlia (April 14, 19 and May 11)
      traffic on the Priboy-Priepole-Nova Varosh highway was stopped due to damage to the Raskrsnica bridge near Donje Bistritsa (April 20)
      The main highway of Kraljevo Raska - a city in Serbia --> Raska - a city in Serbia - a city in Serbia near Bogutovac, municipality of Kraljevo (April 24)
      Belgrade-Nis expressway due to bridge destruction near Mijatovac (May 8-14)
      Ibar highway due to damage to the bridge over the Ibar, Bilanovac municipality, as well as due to the destruction of the road between Požega and Čačak and Lipovitsa-Barajevo (April 4-May 28)
      Expressway Belgrade-Zagreb in the section near Stari Banovac
      The bus station "Edinstvo" in Vranje was severely damaged
      Cosmet Prevoz in Gnjilani: the bus fleet filled with new buses is completely destroyed (March 26-May 19)
      Bus station in Pristina
      Enterprise for the construction and repair of roads "Magistral" in Pristina
      Central bus station in Nis
      Bus station "Unity" in Vran (May 18)
      Airfields
      Slatina in Pristina
      Batajnica in Belgrade
      Surcin in Belgrade
      Nis airfield
      Golubovac in Podgorica
      https://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/ruwiki/501726- поссылке,предприятия и тд.
      1. domokl
        15 December 2022 06: 49
        +7
        Carefully read the material. With the complete suppression of air defense and the possibility of using bomber aircraft with impunity using heavy ammunition, it is quite possible to destroy the bridge. In Ukraine, we do not have this. There, thanks to the alliance, there is air defense and it is quite capable of defense. Swap a bridge for a strategic bomber?
        1. AdAstra
          AdAstra 15 December 2022 09: 51
          +8
          I'm wildly sorry, but in different academies, from which they are then recruited to the General Staff, they don't teach you to calculate in advance?
        2. Sanguinius
          Sanguinius 15 December 2022 23: 56
          +3
          There, thanks to the alliance, there is air defense and it is quite capable of defense. Swap a bridge for a strategic bomber?

          Well, that is, in other words, we have problems here with the destruction of bridges and railway tracks only because the Russian Aerospace Forces are not able to completely suppress the air defense and aviation of Ukraine, and not because it is supposedly "nozzy" and "inappropriate", I understood you correctly!? Q.E.D!
          1. nickname7
            nickname7 16 December 2022 16: 07
            -1
            due to the fact that the Russian Aerospace Forces are not capable

            That's right, at the beginning of the SVO, following the theory, it was considered that the air defense of the UK was destroyed and it was possible to fly freely over the UK. But within a few days, several planes and helicopters were shot down, in general, the theory turned out to be wrong, the Armed Forces of Ukraine found an asymmetric way to resist the VKS. Including due to the saturation of the units with stingers.
      2. Dmitry Chelyabinsk
        Dmitry Chelyabinsk 15 December 2022 12: 14
        +2
        Interesting data, but I think "more than 10 cruise missiles fired" is too much, most likely more than 000 CR.
    2. solar
      solar 15 December 2022 09: 47
      0
      Even during the Great Patriotic War, the destruction of bridges, railways, there were no fixed ideas

      But what about the "rail war"? Against which Starinov fundamentally objected, considering it a senseless waste of resources.
      1. Foul skeptic
        Foul skeptic 15 December 2022 10: 01
        +5
        But what about the "rail war"? Against which Starinov fundamentally objected, considering it a senseless waste of resources.

        Well, Starinov and the Third Reich won in three months, read his interview. Therefore, any of his words require a balanced approach. I wrote in detail on this site a year or two ago on the topic of words about the "rail war". I don't want to repeat myself. I can only say that Starinov was put on a pedestal and idealized after the collapse of the Union. In the USSR, there was a more balanced attitude towards him. Yes, he was famous, books were published about him. But they did not idealize, because they also knew the other side of the coin. Starinov was a difficult man, overly selfish and with inflated conceit. And not the most outstanding engineer.
        Although the mine was used by sabotage groups of the Red Army and the NKVD in certain quantities, it cannot be considered successful. Although I.G. Starinov in his memoirs presents it as something of the best that was invented in this area, however, in comparison with the mines of the MZD series, the mine PMS loses a lot. Although this mine is small in size, however, in terms of its internal structure, it is overly complicated.
        First of all, this is a complex electrical circuit, which is not easy to understand even for a person familiar with electricity.
        The mine uses items that are in short supply in wartime. First of all, this is a car 6-volt light bulb. Suffice it to recall that throughout the war, in order to solve the problem of light bulbs, Soviet cars were produced with one headlight and had neither cab lighting and instruments, nor brake lights, nor side lights. Even tanks were equipped with one headlight, and aircraft flying during the day were not equipped with ANO bulbs and headlights at all.
        Batteries were even more in short supply. Starinov himself in his memoirs writes about his search in the summer-autumn of 1941 in Ukraine for batteries for mines. He himself personally managed to get only a few hundred batteries only in Kyiv, and even then, with the help of the First Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Ukraine (b) N.S. Khrushchev.
        For the manufacture of ampoules with sulfuric acid, which were used only in this mine, it was necessary to involve the chemical and glass industries. Inventive Red Army soldiers simply wetted the thread with electrolyte before masking the mine, doing just fine without this ampoule.
        Testing the electrical circuit of a mine in the presence of an electric detonator included in the circuit should be recognized as simply dangerous, since an accidental breakage of a stretched thread during testing led to a mine explosion. Moreover, there was no need to have a lamp holder in a mine and complicate the electrical circuit. It was quite enough (if there is an electric light bulb) to perform testing by connecting it instead of an electric detonator during testing.
        The mine was leaking due to the presence of holes for the thread, electrical wires, and a hinged lid. And its sealing was complicated by the presence of a non-removable element on the button body. Moreover, the location of this button did not provide real non-removability. After all, opening the hinged cover did not affect the button in any way, but, in turn, provided the ability to access the wires going to this button and cut them off.

        In general, the miners immediately upgraded the mine. They refused to test mines with a light bulb. Instead of using a chemical long-range cocking mechanism, they began to tie a long wire to a tension thread and break this thread from a safe distance by pulling the wire. By moving the battery and removing the discharge contact (which still did not justify its purpose), they were able to put another TNT block into the case.
        1. solar
          solar 15 December 2022 11: 34
          +1
          I can only say that Starinov was put on a pedestal and idealized after the collapse of the Union.

          The person is not alive and cannot answer, so you can write anything about him?
          Starinov was in the partisan movement the most competent specialist in sabotage throughout the war. He was the head of the Higher Operational School for Special Purposes of the Central Headquarters of the Partisan Movement - the main institution that planned and provided sabotage activities in the partisan movement, was an assistant and deputy chief of staff of the partisan movement for sabotage at Ponomarenko, Strokach and Zavadsky. There was no more competent specialist in sabotage and subversive operations in the partisan movement than he, and you are now telling me what a bad engineer he was. Do you know that after the war, this "bad engineer" taught in KGB special institutions until the age of 87 (guess why they wrote about him with restraint in the USSR?)? It's amazing that they wrote at all. Award lists for Saburov or Kovpak are still a secret with seven seals, to say nothing of an active KGB officer.
          He was a heavy, light man - what does it matter in this case? He was a specialist of the highest class, and what he says in his specialty deserves at least serious attention. But no one objected to him with the facts, at best they manage with general words about his character, at worst, they prefer to pretend that he did not exist at all, his figure is very inconvenient for criticism.
          I wrote in detail on this site a year or two ago on the topic of words about the "rail war".

          I'm sorry, but how can you say that
          during the Great Patriotic War, the destruction of bridges, railways, there were no fixed ideas

          if the "rail war" was just the idea - is it a fix and is still actively promoted everywhere?
          But the fact that
          and the concept of Starinov was adopted

          Doesn't it just speak of his competence?
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          2. RUR
            RUR 15 December 2022 12: 26
            -2
            Actually, it is a fact that quickly replacing the rails is not a problem, therefore the railway is functioning in Ukraine, and I suspect that damage to the locomotives will not change much - i.e. new ones will be delivered from Europe
            1. Alexander Salenko
              Alexander Salenko 15 December 2022 13: 39
              0
              Will change, and rembaza? And in Europe, too, many roads are electrified and I don’t know how they are with diesel engines, but their share is definitely small. And, by the way, in terms of the level of organization, the European piece of iron is inferior to ours, we have the most accurate schedule, fewer train derailments. But the key is materiel. When the Crimean bridge was torn down, the railway workers acted clearly and harmoniously. They know the materiel.
              1. RUR
                RUR 15 December 2022 15: 04
                +1
                And, by the way, in terms of the level of organization, the European piece of iron is inferior to ours, we have the most accurate schedule, fewer train derailments.

                In Europe, other speeds on the railway, and then, trucking by trucks are more developed, and do you think that hitting expensive missiles on the railway is a great option? So the Russian Federation will fly into the pipe ... For a rail war, cheap mines and a partisan movement are needed, which the Russian Federation does not have on the territory of Ukraine
                1. Alexander Salenko
                  Alexander Salenko 16 December 2022 11: 15
                  0
                  I propose to hit the depot with missiles, but I said about the piece of iron that they have it worse and the accident rate is higher, what do other speeds have to do with it? Of course, much is simpler than trucks, how much of that Europe is there, but the main supply of the Armed Forces of Ukraine comes with a piece of iron, if you knock out their diesel locomotives, then Europe will have nothing to replace them with, and electricity is already clear how it is knocked out.
            2. Dima68
              Dima68 16 December 2022 21: 04
              +2
              In Europe, a different track, changing the shoes of a locomotive and a wagon, these are tasks of a different order.
            3. nedgen
              nedgen 18 December 2022 21: 41
              0
              Quote: RUR
              Actually, it is a fact that quickly replacing the rails is not a problem, therefore the railway is functioning in Ukraine, and I suspect that damage to the locomotives will not change much - i.e. new ones will be delivered from Europe

              Well, yes, replacing the rails quickly (relatively) is not a problem. But Europe, in principle, CANNOT replace diesel locomotives and electric locomotives. The track is different. She must produce them, and then deliver them to Ukraine. And only delivery (if not by ships) is already a PROBLEM. On the territory of the former USSR, the track is wider, therefore, the diesel locomotive CANNOT be loaded onto the railway. platform in Europe. And if the bogies of the wagons are replaced once and for all, then this trick does not work with diesel locomotives and electric locomotives. Bogies are a key element of traction for diesel locomotives and electric locomotives. It was the impossibility of using a traction train for a different type of gauge that forced Nazi Germany to completely alter the railway in the Second World War. the track in the USSR for the European benefit, the Soviet traverses were wider. hi
          3. Foul skeptic
            Foul skeptic 15 December 2022 13: 23
            +1
            The person is not alive and cannot answer, so you can write anything about him?

            What kind? I repeat once again - Starinov personally stated in his interviews that if he had all the decision-making power, then Hitler would have been defeated in 3 months. That doesn't tell you anything, does it?
            Do you know that after the war, this "bad engineer" taught in KGB special institutions until the age of 87 (guess why they wrote about him with restraint in the USSR?)? It's amazing that they wrote at all.

            Does the fact that a specialist of this class turns out to be an employee of the Institute of Marxism-Leninism mean nothing to you, instead of using his experience in more specialized institutions? When you collect a little more information, you will understand that his character and ambitions prevented him from getting along with people, they couldn’t throw him out of the cage at all, and therefore they found one or another sinecure.
            He was a heavy, light man - what does it matter in this case? He was a specialist of the highest class, and what he says in his specialty deserves at least serious attention.

            It has a direct meaning - one is not a warrior in the field, have you heard? When the ambitions of one person harm the common cause, then this is not good. Even if in his specialization he is a professional of the highest class.
            And no one objected to him with the facts

            Who told you this? If a person does not accept criticism, then at least chew it and put it in your mouth, in your memoirs you will still read later how bad everyone around put spokes in the wheels.
            I'm sorry, but how can you say

            A small remark - where am I saying this? )))
            Doesn't it just speak of his competence?

            I do not want to repeat everything that I have already written on this site for the second round, find it through the search and read it.
            1. solar
              solar 15 December 2022 14: 33
              0
              A small remark - where am I saying this? )))

              during the Great Patriotic War, the destruction of bridges, railways, there were no fixed ideas

              I repeat once again - Starinov personally stated in his interviews that if he had all the decision-making power, then Hitler would have been defeated in 3 months.

              it was a figurative expression, in fact, no one objected to his position on organizing subversive activities, they only cling to words.
              When the ambitions of one person harm the common cause, then this is not good. Even if in his specialization he is a professional of the highest class.

              Whom did they harm? On the contrary, you admitted in the very first post that he was right, and as a result came to his concept. And then they turned everything 180 degrees.
              You read your very first post. It is necessary to somehow determine whether he is a professional of the highest class or a bad engineer.
              in general, they couldn’t throw him out of the cage, therefore they found one or another sinecure.

              Well, did he have to carry mines up to a hundred years? And as for not getting along with anyone, this is a problem for many front-line soldiers. They got used to talking in the eyes, in the 70-80s it was no longer in vogue.
              1. Foul skeptic
                Foul skeptic 15 December 2022 15: 19
                0
                during the Great Patriotic War, the destruction of bridges, railways, there were no fixed ideas

                Are you still not embarrassed that these are not my words?
                it was a figurative expression

                No. It is enough to read the context of these words to understand that this is not a "figurative expression".
                On the contrary, you admitted in the very first post that he was right, and as a result came to his concept.

                You are confusing something.
                It is necessary to somehow determine whether he is a professional of the highest class or a bad engineer.

                One does not contradict the other at all. Being inventive about how to use explosive devices is not the same as design talent.
                Whom did they harm?

                Just one example. Ponomarenko rejected PMS due to its controversial design (I have already described problems with the design above). After that, he became the subject of undercover fuss on the part of Starinov. Who, using his authority, having gone over his head, pushed his product to the detriment of other mines. More successful.
                And as for not getting along with anyone, this is a problem for many front-line soldiers. They got used to talking in the eyes, in the 70-80s it was no longer in vogue.

                Do not confuse God's gift and scrambled eggs.
                Well, did he have to carry mines up to a hundred years?

                People with such abilities are left to DEVELOP and PLAN operations, and are not sent to the institute of Marxism-Leninism.
                1. solar
                  solar 15 December 2022 15: 39
                  0
                  Are you still not embarrassed that these are not my words?

                  Sorry, I didn't notice that you joined the correspondence. It is not clear then why you wrote to me, and not to the author of the original post.
                  Just one example. Ponomarenko rejected PMS

                  Ponomarenko was not an expert in mine design. He was interested in faster, more, and security issues were in the background for him. In any case, it was not about his innovations in the design of mines, but about the tactics and strategy of sabotage war.
                  In which no one questioned his professionalism.
                  Do not confuse God's gift and scrambled eggs.

                  In any case, it has nothing to do with tactics and strategists of a sabotage war. You are replacing the subject of conversation, which I wrote about.
                  People with such abilities are left to DEVELOP and PLAN operations

                  not at 87.
                  And during the war, he fought just in a direct specialty at the highest level. And after that he was attracted by specialty.
                  By the end of the war, Ilya Grigoryevich Starinov, the same age as the century, was 45. To many, he already seemed like a living mammoth, and he was sent to the reserve; history became his lot. However, at the height of the Cold War, his experience is again in demand - he is called to teach at the Advanced Courses for Officers, whose graduates later formed the basis of the famous Vympel, Cascade, Zenit groups.
                  The special forces of all law enforcement agencies called Starinov Grandfather.

                  In September 1946, he was appointed head of the logistics department of the Military Institute of the Ministry of State Security of the USSR, and in 1949 he was appointed head of the operational-tactical group of partisan struggle. In January 1956, Colonel Ilya Grigoryevich Starinov retired. In 1957 he was appointed to the position of senior researcher at the Institute of Marxism-Leninism. He took part in writing a six-volume history of the Great Patriotic War. In 1964, he was appointed to the post of teacher of sabotage tactics at the Advanced Courses for Officers (KUOS). In 1984 he was awarded the title of professor. Until 1987, he taught at educational institutions of the KGB.
                  1. Foul skeptic
                    Foul skeptic 16 December 2022 14: 34
                    -1
                    It is not clear then why you wrote to me, and not to the author of the original post.

                    I wrote in response to your words about the useless "rail war" from Starinov's point of view.
                    Ponomarenko was not an expert in mine design.

                    Do you understand that if not even an expert could understand, that in comparison with other samples, it does not look advantageous, then this also means something.
                    He was interested in faster, more

                    He was interested in what industry could produce in the required volumes without prejudice to other orders and what hastily prepared partisan miners could use. I think that's right.
                    In any case, it was not about his innovations in the design of mines.

                    It was just an example. About what I immediately wrote - "Only one example."
                    not at 87.

                    When he was removed to the post of head of the logistics department, he was 46 years old. If not for the Bandera and forest brothers, they would not have remembered him in 1949. When he became a senior fellow at the Institute of Marxism-Leninism, he was 57 years old. Quite the age.
                    hi
    3. Alexander Salenko
      Alexander Salenko 15 December 2022 13: 33
      +3
      Good day hi but I would not say that the paralysis of the Sarny node, and there at the same time Kovpak blew up 4 bridges, gave a weak effect.
  3. Dart2027
    Dart2027 15 December 2022 06: 00
    +2
    Do you remember how many attempts were made to disable the Antonovsky Bridge? And what is the result? When leaving Kherson, we calmly brought our heavy equipment over this bridge.
    I will add that even with the destruction of the bridge, you can safely build a pontoon bridge or crossing.
    1. AdAstra
      AdAstra 15 December 2022 09: 51
      +4
      Only we didn’t guess something about this when we handed over Kherson, yeah.
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 15 December 2022 11: 31
        0
        In the sense of the destruction of the Antonovsky bridge? So he is not behind enemy lines, but at the forefront.
        1. AdAstra
          AdAstra 16 December 2022 07: 58
          0
          "you can easily build a pontoon bridge or ferry."
          hi
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 16 December 2022 18: 33
            +1
            Quote from AdAstra
            can be easily adjusted

            You can calmly behind the front line. It's harder under fire.
            1. AdAstra
              AdAstra 16 December 2022 21: 26
              0
              And Zarathustra does not allow us to set fire to the trash behind the line?
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 16 December 2022 21: 29
                0
                Quote from AdAstra
                But Zarathustra does not allow us

                The cost of a pontoon is much less than the cost of rockets, and we are talking not only about money in the literal sense, but also about labor costs. That is, you can beat them, but it's too expensive.
                1. AdAstra
                  AdAstra 16 December 2022 21: 40
                  0
                  So in March, the official "voice" of the Ministry of Defense said that Khkhlov's air defense was completely suppressed, why don't we throw iron, huh? laughing
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 16 December 2022 22: 45
                    0
                    Quote from AdAstra
                    air defense Khkhlov

                    Not only air defense. It's just that now they are being supplied with information by NATO intelligence facilities.
  4. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 15 December 2022 07: 41
    +12
    Not a convincing article and you can immediately see who the author is
  5. Gardamir
    Gardamir 15 December 2022 07: 46
    +5
    If it was about justice. About the return of their lands. Finally, about demilitarization. But in fact, we have a war for the sake of raising the rating and drank the dough. Therefore, the safety of the infrastructure does not bother anyone. People from both sides are dying and mutual hatred is growing. And when hatred turns off the brain and someone makes good money on it. No wonder they predict war for a few more years. Just like covid.
  6. rocket757
    rocket757 15 December 2022 08: 02
    +1
    Is it possible to block the supply of arms to Ukraine?
    It is possible to complicate logistics, but as soon as this begins, they will begin to build a countermeasure system, more actively.
    The question is... is it necessary to do this, BY ANY METHODS??? And it’s unlikely that we have such a big choice, this is objective, now everything has become more complicated ... Kuev’s allies have helped and will continue to help, such is the reality and simply cannot be overturned, not changed.
    Question... what to do???
  7. jaroff
    jaroff 15 December 2022 08: 18
    +3
    But you can launch rockets into the tunnel. For him to be gone. At all
    1. solar
      solar 15 December 2022 09: 48
      -1
      You are missing a question mark. Even three.
      But can rockets be launched into the tunnel? To make him disappear? At all?
  8. BAI
    BAI 15 December 2022 09: 09
    +2
    Remember the footage from Soviet war films showing the bombing of bridges. Only the most desperate pilots were sent on such missions. To attack along the canvas, practically in the forehead of anti-aircraft gunners, this is almost one hundred percent death ...

    Bad example. Our planes had bad bomb sights and tactics - lie down on a combat course and fly without changing speed and course in order to somehow aim. And the Germans could attack from a dive across the river.
    I think that now the situation with aiming has changed somewhat
  9. cpls22
    cpls22 15 December 2022 10: 12
    +4
    We need a truck with a "film" from Europe to Ukraine through a tunnel.
    Alaverdi on the Crimean bridge.
    It will be good if he goes next to a truck with shells from NATO. But this will have to be adjusted for the general offensive, because everything can be restored in a transparent time frame, like the Crimean bridge.
    1. Kuzyakin15
      Kuzyakin15 15 December 2022 10: 52
      +9
      Staver as always. You don’t understand anything here, but there are Pros !!! GENIUS OF WAR!
      Tries to wash the black male to white.
      But why did these geniuses give back half of the occupied territories back? And why eight months of SVO, there is no end in sight.
      And yes, the partisans were all fools, that on the eve of the major offensive operations of the Red Army, the rail war intensified.
  10. S. Viktorovich
    S. Viktorovich 15 December 2022 11: 26
    -5
    Destruction of infrastructure does not in itself lead to victory in the war. Examples - in the 2nd World War they completely destroyed Germany and Japan, but the victory turned out only on the battlefield. More clearly Vietnam. The United States destroyed it, but lost the war. So in our case, attacks on infrastructure (bridges, energy, etc.) make sense only in relation to offensive operations on the battlefield, otherwise it is a waste of resources. In addition, there is the question of opportunity. Without gaining air supremacy, reasoning about the defeat of infrastructure is empty chatter.
    1. Eule
      Eule 15 December 2022 12: 06
      +4
      Wetnam had no infrastructure in those days!
      Paths in the forest, fords - nowhere to destroy. Separate bridges - yes, demolished. Boat crossings from home-made wooden boats no matter how many bombs, the peasants will make new boats.
      The only chance for the United States was to launch a nuclear strike on one of the passes on the "Ho Chi Minh trail", but did not risk it.
      1. S. Viktorovich
        S. Viktorovich 15 December 2022 13: 28
        0
        The "Ho Chi Minh Trail" is mostly a road. There was also iron. Attempts to destroy bridges on these roads before the advent of high-precision weapons did not lead to anything (as in the NWO). But even after the destruction of the bridges over time, the Vietnamese restored them, found workarounds, and as a result won.
  11. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 15 December 2022 12: 44
    +5
    There are certain bottlenecks in the transport system:
    - bridges
    -tunnels
    - nodal stations
    -depot
    - traction substations
    - traction train
    - Cargo terminals for trucks
    - the trucks themselves



    I have not heard about the hunt for diesel locomotives, the bombing of the Depot, cargo terminals with trucks. Moreover, the logistics of military cargo is known. At 404, a lot of gas stations work quietly, for some reason they are whole ... By the way, a lot of Azerbaijani gas stations and oil products.
    - gas stations
    - fuel storage and oil refineries.
  12. Ryazan87
    Ryazan87 15 December 2022 14: 13
    +8
    I love Staver. He will always give a moment of good mood with his news from an alternative reality. Where:
    The situation at the front is under control. The task set by the Commander-in-Chief is being carried out. There is no particular need for radical solutions. The Armed Forces of Ukraine and so "live from hand to mouth." There are not enough weapons, ammunition, personnel.

    All they have is "not enough", they are about to give up. And how heavy equipment was taken out "calmly" along the Antonovsky Bridge ... About the fact that our bungling is "one-time". Some fairy tales are better than others, Scheherazade..
  13. Illanatol
    Illanatol 15 December 2022 14: 18
    +1
    Quote: domokl
    From March 24 to June 8, 1999, (in less than 3 months) NATO carried out over 35 raids on FR Yugoslavia. More than 000 combat aircraft participated in the operation. More than 1000 cruise missiles were launched and more than 10 tons were dropped Great damage was done to the country's road and rail network, many bridges and roads were destroyed.


    Well? Did you manage to completely destroy the military and industrial potential of the Serbs, bomb them into the Stone Age?
    The real result of such efforts and costs is rather modest. So the Yankees did not even try to take Belgrade and place their garrison there.
  14. odisey3000
    odisey3000 15 December 2022 15: 03
    +2
    I agree with the author, but there is one thing, but I’m not afraid to say this all the equipment going by the river and continuously, it’s not combine harvesters with haymakers, it’s military equipment that brings death to our brothers in arms. You look at Donetsk, it turns into ruins how many have already been killed and maimed. they remembered and talk a lot about bridges, the question is, why do we need them, are we going to conquer all of Ukraine. We will definitely choke, and why do we need all of it. clean up the Kharkiv region, otherwise they won’t let us live, cut off Ukraine from the Black Sea. Kiev is a neutral city. This is all we can have enough strength for. Europe is not at all interested. Here we will not need bridges across the Dnieper at all, you can leave pieces 3. For some reason it seems to me that it will be so. We will not have enough people for the whole of Ukraine.
  15. Alexey G
    Alexey G 15 December 2022 15: 36
    +2
    Air defense systems in these areas are built with particular care.

    We have SU57. He has stealth. Why not put him to the test and give him a precision-guided bomb and a powerful warhead...
    For example, the laser-guided KAB-1500, which is included in the range of its weapons, in order to clearly hit the bridge support, then it is possible to seriously disrupt the operation of the bridge with a pair of fighters ...
    KAB-1500LG-F is a high-explosive warhead.
    KAB-1500LG-OD - volumetric detonating warhead.
    KAB-1500LG-Pr - penetrating warhead.
    KAB-1500LG-F-E is designed to destroy fixed ground and surface targets such as railway and highway bridges, military-industrial facilities, ammunition depots, ships and transport vessels.


    The mass of the warhead, 1170 kg.
    Drop height, 1-8 km

    I think this tangerine will be good!
    Of course, using the latest aircraft is dangerous, but if everything is thought through, then why not! For example, arrange a disco for Ukrainian fascists from Geraniums and calibers, add Iskanders and with this sauce, linking their air defense to quietly bring gifts in the main menu!
    The game is worth the candle!
    1. nickname7
      nickname7 16 December 2022 16: 26
      -1

      Alexey G (Alexey)
      We have SU57. He has stealth
      Drop height, 1-8 km

      SU57 two pieces, but you need 1000
  16. DmSol
    DmSol 15 December 2022 17: 38
    +1
    we are again being told about how difficult it is to paralyze transportation, and this is against the background of how they successfully coped with this in the Kherson region. Tell me right away - we can’t disable the bridges because there’s nothing left to do.
  17. Vladimir Dmitrievich Burtsev
    Vladimir Dmitrievich Burtsev 15 December 2022 18: 59
    +1
    Blah blah blah! Thanks for the info, we didn't know about it without you. The title of the article is loud, but the text of the article is not.
  18. Nikodim
    Nikodim 15 December 2022 19: 32
    0
    Another Staver's "Everything goes according to plan" fool
  19. Bogalex
    Bogalex 15 December 2022 21: 25
    +1
    The bridge withstood 841 air raids! Vietnamese air defense destroyed 11 enemy aircraft!
    Only the advent of laser-guided Paveway bombs in 1972 saved the day. Fourteen raids using this ammunition resulted in critical damage. I think this example is sufficient to understand the power of this goal..

    No. This example is sufficient to understand that under modern conditions, 841 air raids are not needed to destroy a strategic bridge. Just 14 is enough.
  20. Aleprok
    Aleprok 15 December 2022 21: 54
    0
    With the destruction of bridges and a tunnel in western Ukraine, supplies will go through Romania and Moldova, there is no doubt
  21. iouris
    iouris 16 December 2022 00: 35
    0
    The very posing of the question asserts that such a task is worth it. Destroying infrastructure is not an end in itself. And not the entire infrastructure, because it is impossible. The goal is to ensure victory "on the ground". That is, to make the task of the infantryman as easy as possible.
  22. Alexey Koshkarov
    Alexey Koshkarov 16 December 2022 01: 36
    0
    And why are people not used for the bridge supports - frogs, firewalls or even underwater firewalls ???
  23. Santa Fe
    Santa Fe 16 December 2022 07: 34
    +2
    Do you remember how many attempts were made to disable the Antonovsky Bridge? And what is the result?

    See photo

    When leaving Kherson, we calmly brought our heavy equipment over this bridge.

    Definitely not over this bridge
    1. Illanatol
      Illanatol 17 December 2022 09: 08
      0
      Definitely not over this bridge


      That's why. There were no particular problems with the repair of the canvas. And the bulls-supports resisted.
      The bridge was only damaged, not destroyed.
      1. Santa Fe
        Santa Fe 17 December 2022 10: 26
        0
        There were no problems with the repair of the canvas

        Well, how did they fix it?

        This photo was taken on the last day
        Therefore.

        In the new kakhovka they filled up the gateway and organized the transition
        + ferry crossing
        1. Illanatol
          Illanatol 17 December 2022 14: 07
          0
          Quote: Santa Fe
          Well, how did they fix it?


          Yes. When a photo is taken, one does not have to believe a word. However, this hole can be closed in one day (by night), if you try. There were enough workers and equipment.
          1. Santa Fe
            Santa Fe 17 December 2022 23: 07
            0
            When the photo is taken - you don’t have to believe the word

            Open any video of the blown up Antonovsky bridge, after the retreat, filmed from copters

            Hymars missile damage not repaired, bridge was in this state all along

            Nearby, the remains of a pontoon bridge are visible, another reminder that Antonovsky could not be used due to damage by the Hymars
            1. Illanatol
              Illanatol 18 December 2022 08: 44
              0
              After the retreat, the bridge was blown up by Russian sappers. Moreover, some spans were collapsed into the water.
              Logically, it was necessary to exclude persecution by the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

              Since a large-scale evacuation was carried out at an accelerated pace, every opportunity was used, including a pontoon crossing.
              The latter would simply not have coped with so many people and equipment, given the time limit. Therefore, they used everything that was possible.
              1. Santa Fe
                Santa Fe 18 December 2022 08: 54
                0
                After the retreat, the bridge was blown up by Russian sappers.

                Hymars-damaged span remained in place

                Its appearance indicates that nothing was patched up there. And the bridge has not been used for the passage of heavy equipment for a long time.
                1. Illanatol
                  Illanatol 19 December 2022 14: 13
                  0
                  Quote: Santa Fe
                  Hymars-damaged span remained in place

                  Its appearance indicates that nothing was patched up there.


                  No. The holes were simply filled with sheets of metal. Then the sheets were removed.
  24. yuriy1863
    yuriy1863 16 December 2022 10: 29
    -1
    The situation at the front is under control. The task set by the Commander-in-Chief is being carried out. There is no particular need for radical solutions. The Armed Forces of Ukraine and so "live from hand to mouth." There are not enough weapons, ammunition, personnel.

    Barely alive "starving" with a lack of weapons, ammunition and personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine forced us out of Kharkov and part of Kherson regions and Kherson, destroying important bridges with the help of foreign military equipment. With the help of "lend-lease" weapons and weapons, Donetsk is being "ironed". They threaten to attack Melitopol-Berdyansk. And is this a "controlled" situation at the front? In a controlled situation, they have the initiative and do not beg for negotiations. And everything that ensures military success and reduces our losses is expedient.
  25. Tank destroyerSU-100
    Tank destroyerSU-100 16 December 2022 10: 43
    +2
    When leaving Kherson, we calmly brought our heavy equipment over this bridge.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Author, can you show photos or videos of how our vehicles move across the bridge? And why, then, could not transport columns with supplies go along this bridge? Why were refugees transported on improvised means? After all, if a tank has passed, then buses and cars will pass all the more.
    But in fact, traffic on the bridges near Kherson and New Kakhovka was almost completely paralyzed. Yes, the bridges were standing, but the spans were badly damaged, and constant fire strikes made it impossible to repair them.
    You lie, author.
  26. Vladimir Sedov
    Vladimir Sedov 16 December 2022 11: 16
    0
    It's not even about aviation, but about the availability of guided munitions for it. As soon as they appear in sufficient quantities, the issue of bridges and tunnels will be closed.
  27. Fitter65
    Fitter65 16 December 2022 11: 42
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    Remember the footage from Soviet war films showing the bombing of bridges.
    In addition to frames from films, there are memoirs of front-line pilots. Not only did they describe the bridge as a difficult target to hit, and a heavily protected one at that. If the automobile, which were built of wood, or pontoon bridges were quite vulnerable, then the capital automobile, and even more so the railway, was practically impossible to destroy from the air. In the memoirs of bomber pilots who flew to bomb such targets, several improvised modifications of weapons were cited. Rebar hooks were welded onto the bomb stabilizers. with which the bomb could catch on the bridge structure, a couple of bombs were fastened with a cable of some length, falling past the structures, one on the left the other on the right, the bombs seemed to go past, but the cable that went in the middle clung to the structure, the explosion of which took place under the bridge detail led it was out of order, there were even cases of direct hit of bombs of various calibers in the bridge bed, but all this led only to a short-term decommissioning of the bridge, only a constant impact on this crossing forced the enemy to abandon the operation of this crossing. Moreover, retreating, the Germans blew up the pillars of the bridges, laying, with the help of bridge engineers, where and how much explosives were needed, for guaranteed destruction. Therefore, the "main enemy of bridges" in the rear were partisans and sabotage groups. Which destroyed mainly, again, not these huge and capital structures, but small bridges across rivers and streams, there is less security, and not always constant, and explosives for such a bridge need an order of magnitude less.
  28. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 16 December 2022 18: 10
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    An article in the style of: "Everything is fine, beautiful Marquise. Everything is fine as ever."
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  30. Carlos Hall
    Carlos Hall 17 December 2022 00: 01
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    Punishing the energy system will be enough. Focus your attacks there.
  31. Illanatol
    Illanatol 17 December 2022 09: 12
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    Quote: Tank DestroyerSU-100
    And why, then, could not transport columns with supplies go along this bridge? Why were refugees transported on improvised means? After all, if a tank has passed, then buses and cars will pass all the more.


    And turn on the brains? It is one thing - urgent evacuation in the shortest possible time, and another - a constant supply.
    Refugees were transported by any means available to speed up this process. Probably in the dark. The buses would pass whenever the military equipment was moving: the capacity of the bridge is limited, the time is limited. The faster the better.
  32. Grigory_78
    Grigory_78 17 December 2022 10: 37
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    During the retreat, the Armed Forces of Ukraine destroyed all the bridges they could. Over the past week, they destroyed at least two bridges near Artemovsk (aka Bakhmut). In the same way, ours brought down the Antonovsky bridge and the bridge near the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station.
    That is, in military terms - with the continuation of hostilities, bridges will blow up both sides when they need it. What then is the fundamental difference between the other bridges? I don't understand.

    The only bridge across the Dnieper, damaged by our shelling, was not restored in four months, although the supports were not damaged there. How long did it take to restore the damaged part of the Crimean bridge? Hour, day? The supports were not damaged.

    Humanitarian disaster? Don't strikes on the Ukrainian energy infrastructure lead to a humanitarian catastrophe? Or "it's different"? After all, the Ukrainian authorities supply electricity primarily to their military facilities, that is, civilians suffer first of all. So the arguments given by the author are all so-so ...
  33. Illanatol
    Illanatol 17 December 2022 14: 12
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    Quote: Gregory_78
    Humanitarian disaster? Don't strikes on the Ukrainian energy infrastructure lead to a humanitarian catastrophe? Or "it's different"? After all, the Ukrainian authorities supply electricity primarily to their military facilities, that is, civilians suffer first of all.


    "Donbass endured and ordered you."
    So they need it.
    Denazification element.
    The Nazi ideology will become much less attractive to Ukrainians if it is associated not with lace panties from the European Union and handouts from Uncle Sam, but with cold and hunger.
    So it is necessary to continue to develop a conditioned gag reflex in Nezalezhnaya.

    In the meantime, Ukraine can be congratulated on the creation of a new type of weapons: kamikaze power plants laughing
  34. Glagol1
    Glagol1 17 December 2022 14: 38
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    It is one thing to disable an electrical substation, and quite another - a bridge. Ideally, bridges should be bombed with 500-1500 kg bombs, but Ukroreich's air defense does not allow. So the question is not whether to destroy or not, but how to do it without aviation. Apparently not. So they drive back and forth on a piece of iron to the fullest. And we are watching.
  35. Dmitry Karabanov
    Dmitry Karabanov 17 December 2022 18: 59
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    But all the same, it would not have gotten worse if ours had disabled the same Beskydy tunnel with the help of the "Dagger" (instead of the ancient bunker). Well, destroying the depot is extremely important! European locomotives for Ukroreich will not work, so it is vital to destroy the infrastructure of the Nazis!
  36. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 17 December 2022 20: 16
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    What our Armed Forces are doing – necessary and sufficient actions today

    Necessary and sufficient for what?) No, I am also inclined to be patient, but I cannot agree with this postulate. Time is playing against us - just remember with what dynamics we started the NWO and what dynamics are now (the news about the release of a couple of streets in some large village has become the norm). The population, which is relatively neutral towards us, is angered by hardships and propaganda, the war itself is acquiring more and more rigid features of an extremely strained confrontation of the end, the edge and dynamics of which are not visible. The Ukrainian authorities, who initially showed (albeit for show) interest in the negotiations, are now immensely far from what we expected from them, and even in this direction the situation manages to sag more and more.

    Another important point is that the current dynamics of events forms an undesirable image of our Armed Forces from a potential enemy, I am afraid that the longer this situation lasts, the less favorable conclusions for us will be made by them for us. You don't have to go far for an analogy - the Soviet-Finnish war of the Red Army, which gave a striking contrast to the Wehrmacht "blitzes".

    Dragging out the current position is generally harmful to us, and will become more harmful given the current pace of the solution.
  37. Illanatol
    Illanatol 18 December 2022 08: 57
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    Quote: Knell Wardenheart
    Time is playing against us - just remember with what dynamics we started the NWO and what dynamics are now (the news about the release of a couple of streets in some large village has become the norm).


    Spit. Doesn't matter from the word.
    This is a war of attrition and annihilation. Since the only way of real denazification is the physical destruction of the carriers of the Nazi ideology. Time is on the side of Russia as more and more Natsiks find themselves below ground level.
    The Nazi ideology will become less and less attractive when it is associated in the mass consciousness not with goodies from the West, but with penetrating wounds in the abdominal cavity, open fractures, 3rd degree burns (from napalm) and other "charms" of military life. Only in this way and in no other way will it be possible to wean the "non-brothers" from worshiping Bandera and Hitler.

    As Mr. Moltke rightly noted, the success of military operations should be judged not by the area of ​​the enemy's territory occupied by the army, but by the effectiveness and scale of the extermination of enemy soldiers and the reduction of the enemy's ability to resist. The manpower of the enemy is being exterminated at a good pace, since the age of Ukrainian recruits is increasing more and more, soon old farts will be called up. Ukraine has no chance of winning the war of attrition.
  38. chingachguc
    chingachguc 18 December 2022 14: 15
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    Let's do nothing. If the bridge is a difficult target, then there is no need to try to drop it.
  39. Ezekiel 25-17
    Ezekiel 25-17 18 December 2022 15: 43
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    Lviv can and should be destroyed: the Poles will take it anyway...
  40. Soldy21
    Soldy21 18 December 2022 16: 13
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    I do not agree with the author's opinion regarding bridges.
    In my opinion, the destruction of bridges across the Dnieper is a priority, an absolutely necessary condition for victory in the war, without which its (victory) achievement is at least far from guaranteed.

    Why?
    Most of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are now on the left bank and are supplied with equipment, ammunition, medicines and others through these bridges. With their destruction, the situation will become a stalemate for them: how to conduct active hostilities without supplies? So we will get the Left Bank of the month in 3-4.
    As for the further offensive (which is indispensable, because as long as Ukraine exists in any form and on any territory, Russia will never be safe), it will have to be started again from the very beginning along the right bank, that is, from Belarus. It is naive to think that when our units approach these bridges, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will kindly leave them intact.

    How to destroy bridges?
    And why does the author need sabotage and manned aircraft here, the use of which in this case is really impossible? And who said that it is necessary to destroy the bridge support without fail? What for? Or, if at least one span is brought down, will the train with tanks go on as if nothing had happened? Iskander ballistic missile warhead - 500 kg. 500, Carl. There is no such bridge in the world, whose span would withstand the hit of 3-4 such missiles.

    To sum it up powerfully: the need is there, the opportunity is there too. Why don't they? An instruction to the military from the political leadership?
  41. Pavel_Sveshnikov
    Pavel_Sveshnikov 27 December 2022 22: 33
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    Bridges to bring down just like that - stupid. If, again, we recall the partisans of the Second World War, then they blew up the canvas only when a train with enemy weapons was walking along it. It is necessary to bring down trains with tanks, guns, ammo. And better on bridges. Then it will definitely be possible to collect only scrap metal.
    Only the author, speaking about infrastructure, forgot about energy facilities - thermal power plants, substations, refineries, fuel storage facilities. These objects cannot be restored as easily as bridges, and if you hit the right place, it will bang stronger than from the rocket itself. And this infrastructure needs to be brought down. Especially the substations around the nuclear power plant.