People without weapons: self-defense units are formed on the border with Ukraine

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People without weapons: self-defense units are formed on the border with Ukraine


Border control


The need to form self-defense detachments on the Russian-Ukrainian border became obvious after the famous gesture of "good will" when Russian troops left the northern front of the front. Since then, terrorist artillery attacks on border villages have become a sad tradition for local residents. It is not entirely clear why they waited with the people's squads until the beginning of December, but better late than never.



According to the Governor of the Belgorod Region Vyacheslav Gladkov, from the very beginning of the special operation, local residents have repeatedly turned to the leadership with a request to form volunteer units. Now those who want to protect their own land will be recruited from among men who have combat experience, but due to health reasons or age are not fit for partial mobilization. Similarly, they acted in the neighboring Kursk region, where Governor Roman Starovoit announced the creation of the Patriot people's squad.

Thus, a picture is being built before our eyes, very reminiscent of Russia in the autumn-winter of 1941, when a people's militia was formed from among the workers and employees. No matter how tragic the fate of these units, they have one fundamental difference with modern units on the Russian border - they went to the front with weapons in hand. The defenders of the Belgorod and Kursk regions have not yet received the right to bear arms.

Andrey Kartapolov, head of the State Duma Defense Committee, commented on the situation:

“These are people's combatants, that is, voluntary formations of citizens. They are not yet part of the Armed Forces and, accordingly, cannot be armed or provided through this line. These are voluntary people's squads that will solve tasks related to the Ministry of Defense.








Residents of the Kursk and Belgorod regions know firsthand what the terror of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is. Source: Telegram "Real Gladkov"

Several conclusions follow from this.

First, the appearance of volunteer battalions is an initiative of local governors who understand the seriousness of the situation on the border. Regional leaders generally became the main ones responsible both for the success of partial mobilization and for equipping the fighters with everything necessary. Unfortunately, not all regions have the opportunity to equip fighters with equipment suitable for modern combat operations at the expense of the budget. We are talking primarily about bulletproof vests and adequate first aid kits.

This approach to self-government of the regions was tested by the Kremlin during the pandemic, when the heads of local entities were deciding on the introduction of quarantine measures. The governors of the territories bordering with Ukraine, as expected, found themselves in the most difficult situation.

On the one hand, most of the population is well aware of the importance of the special operation, simply because the mines and shells of the nationalists literally fall on their heads. “Behind us is the Kursk and Belgorod Region!” For the locals, this is not a figure of speech.

On the other hand, the pressure of Ukrainian nomadic howitzers and mortars, as well as DRGs, is only growing, and the concentration of regular military units on these lines is not enough. Otherwise, the governors would not be puzzled by the formation of self-defense squads.

The so-called notch line being built in the Belgorod region also looks like a preventive measure. It's interesting that historical The roots of this building go back to Rus' in the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries, and it was intended to protect against the raids of the Crimeans and Nogais. The largest serif line was built under Ivan the Terrible, stretching for several hundred kilometers along the Oka, in fact, making the waterway impassable to the enemy.

At different times, Izyumskaya, Zakamskaya and Ukrainian notches appeared in the south of the Russian kingdom. The fortification was an earthen rampart and a ravine with fallen trees. The modern zasechnaya Belgorod line is the already famous anti-tank "dragon's teeth" made of reinforced concrete and an earthen rampart with a ravine. Several centuries ago, Russian warriors were preparing to meet the enemy cavalry, now they are Nazi armored vehicles.






Zasechnaya Belgorod feature. Source: Telegram "Real Gladkov"

In fairness, the likelihood that the APU will trample tank fists on the notch line is small - now the Ukrainian army faces other tasks. First of all, push the Russian army to the east. But the danger of small sabotage groups leaking across the border is greater than ever.

unarmed militia


Bloomberg writes that there was great friction between Zelensky and Biden over the possibility of strikes on Russian territory. Literally from the material:

“For Zelensky, America’s entry into the conflict will likely mean the salvation of Ukraine. For Biden, a chain reaction leading to direct US intervention would be catastrophic.”

It is obvious that they nevertheless came to a certain consensus, since the Ukrainians hit the rear airfields of the Aerospace Forces. There was no chain reaction. At the same time, The Times claims that the State Department tacitly agreed with the Ukrainian strikes. drones on the critical infrastructure of Russia. A Pentagon military source comments:

“When the Armed Forces of Ukraine use weapons supplied by us, the only thing we insist on is that the Ukrainian military abide by the international laws of war and the Geneva Convention.”

That is, with other weapons not supplied under Lend-Lease, the Ukrainian forces may not comply with any norms and laws. What, in fact, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are doing. It is enough to get acquainted with the consequences of the shelling of the border villages of Russia. Not to mention the barbaric shelling of Donetsk with NATO calibers.










"Dragon's teeth" In the Belgorod region. Source: Telegram "Real Gladkov"

There is no smoke without fire - the Armed Forces of Ukraine are clearly determined to expand the combat zone deep into the territory of Russia. In this regard, the appearance of volunteer battalions in the Belgorod and Kursk regions looks quite natural. Only they are unarmed. The formations do not belong to the structures of the law enforcement agencies of Russia, and therefore do not have the right to carry weapons. This is the army of governors in the best sense of the word.

What will be the function of volunteers? Most likely, after appropriate training (including at local Wagner bases), patrol groups will be formed to control the border strip. Indigenous people in this situation can be much more useful than military patrols - they are familiar with the area and know most of the neighbors by sight. Combined groups of armed fighters and volunteer "consultants" are also quite possible.

In any case, the presence of volunteer battalions without weapons is a fairly easy target for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. According to the state, in such units there can be up to a thousand fighters, and unarmed they can do little to oppose the Armed Forces of Ukraine. In fact, they can't do anything at all.

It remains to be hoped that civil administrations have provided arsenals for volunteers for H-Day. And not just a scattering of Soviet-era AKM and PKM from warehouses, but heavy small arms and anti-tank weapons. Volunteers from the border regions of Russia are the most motivated fighters, and it is at least paradoxical not to trust them with weapons at such fateful moments in the history of the country. "Associated with the Ministry of Defense" tasks, which Andrei Kartapolov announced, cannot be implemented without weapons in hand. This is the specificity of SVO.
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  1. +19
    14 December 2022 04: 20
    Volunteers from the border regions of Russia are the most motivated fighters, and it is at least paradoxical not to trust them with weapons at such fateful moments in the history of the country.

    I am skeptical about such undertakings ... in the Caucasus it would have worked ... there, in every village, there is a machine gun, or even a machine gun, hidden away.
    And in the Russian hinterland, the people are absolutely defenseless against the DRG of Ukraine ... and if the Bandera conceived raids like Basayev's, then a lot of people's blood will be shed ... the police will not be able to do anything here .... the military will intervene later and the military operation will bring many victims.
    So everything sucks in that regard.
    Judging by how active the attacks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the rear of Russia are growing, it is necessary to prepare for the worst possible scenario.
    1. +18
      14 December 2022 06: 26
      And in the Russian hinterland, the people are absolutely defenseless before the DRG of Ukraine ...
      So the fight with the hunters backfired. What obstacles were not invented for us, and how many reasons for the seizure of weapons? Just shoot, so as not to lose the skill, and then nowhere.
      1. KCA
        -24
        14 December 2022 07: 24
        Where is the fight with the hunters? With what fright? Yes, the requirements are rising, but you can become a hunter for free everywhere, it’s not a problem to get a weapon permit, if you have a hunting ticket, it’s 5 times faster and easier than without it, or do you have other orders in liberalism?
        1. +10
          14 December 2022 07: 36
          There are several opinions here:
          1. "If you distribute weapons, they will start to arrange disassembly with each other drunk with AK."
          2. "Our residents themselves need to be ready for a breakthrough of terrorists - hand out AKs against signature and appoint those responsible."
          3. "Why would poorly controlled serfs need weapons sold or hoarded."
          4. Dangerous, but how "they will send their arquebuses to our paunches."

          Well, most importantly, there is no legal basis for the transfer of military weapons to the civilian population. It is necessary to adopt a law, resolutions to the law, orders to the resolution, orders to the orders, methodological recommendations to the procedures, letters of explanation to the methodological recommendations, to everything accounting in paper and electronic form, etc. bureaucracy
          Who and when will do all this? All this will have to be coordinated in at least 5 departments.
        2. +9
          14 December 2022 07: 42
          Or do you have other orders in liberalism?
          in your pe..erastia, can you just go out into the forest and shoot? EU-but in compliance with all security measures.
          1. KCA
            +3
            14 December 2022 07: 55
            And with what fright can you just go into the forest and shoot? The forest, is it actually a public place where people can walk, or do you have priority and you can bring down everyone you see? I have been officially a hunter since September 1994, but I follow the rules, well, almost always, and even more so I am not going to challenge them
            1. 0
              16 December 2022 13: 54
              And with what fright can you just go into the forest and shoot?

              Actually, it looks like there are still those hunters gathered here.
              And airat and ksa read.
              https://www.chokechoke.ru/articles/pravila_pristrelki_oruzhiia_v_okhotougodiiakh
              And then go and shoot if you need to keep fit.
        3. +6
          14 December 2022 07: 56
          In Izhevsk, the shooter shot 17 people in a few minutes ... this is not counting the wounded.
          If a lone schizophrenic has killed so many people, then how many people will be killed by the trained DRG of Bandera if it is not neutralized in time ... request it is impossible for a civilian to protect himself from this.
        4. +10
          14 December 2022 08: 05
          According to the law, even if you are a hunter, you cannot buy a semi-automatic for the first two years. You can buy rifled in five years. You can never buy a short barrel. As well as automatic weapons that fire bursts.
          1. 0
            14 December 2022 22: 14
            Quote: Plantagenet
            By law, even if you are a hunter, you cannot buy a semi-automatic for the first two years.

            I wonder how I immediately became the owner of the Saiga-20K?
            1. +3
              15 December 2022 07: 52
              Added this to Article 13 N 150-FZ (as amended on 14.07.2022/30.11.2022/XNUMX) "On weapons" (as amended and supplemented, effective from XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX)
              "Citizens of the Russian Federation who have received a license to purchase civilian long-barreled firearms, before the expiration of the first two years of possession of such weapons, are not allowed to acquire, for the purposes of self-defense or hunting, smooth-bore long-barreled firearms with more than two barrels or a magazine (drum)."
              1. 0
                17 December 2022 15: 13
                Quote: Ilya22558
                Added this to Article 13 N 150-FZ (as amended on 14.07.2022/30.11.2022/XNUMX) "On weapons" (as amended and supplemented, effective from XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX)

                Oh well...
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        5. +1
          14 December 2022 12: 30
          Yeah, especially getting a medical certificate has become easier, it’s really expensive to see how much ... Why should people be driven into the only drug dispensary in the whole city (well, there are two of them in St. Petersburg), which did not suit the old order when this certificate was issued by the state district narcological dispensary (office) ? Why does a certificate from a durka cost differently in different areas of the same city?
          I agree only with the submission of documents through public services for a license to purchase / permission to store: yes, it has become more convenient, and the new form of submission is generally fire, a minimum of actions!
          1. KCA
            -7
            14 December 2022 15: 24
            Is going to pee once every 5 years a problem? Well, if so, then what, hand over the license and there is no problem
            1. +1
              15 December 2022 07: 42
              Wait in line from 9 am to 4 pm... of course there is no problem if there is nothing else to do!
              1. KCA
                0
                15 December 2022 07: 55
                Sorry, I judge by my own places, never when I visited a narcologist there was not a single person in front of me, and behind me too, a general medical examination there is people there, they like to shove everyone in one day for an examination, but even here you can play, referral for a medical examination yes, paid, but when I go to the doctor, it depends on me, there is a queue - goodbye, I’ll come in an hour, I have a clinic 300 meters from my house
                1. 0
                  15 December 2022 08: 09
                  I said that in my realities these are two points for receiving tests for more than 5 million cities. Two (!) And everyone goes there, not just hunters, plus an extremely convenient location (in ... the opera of the world, you won’t roll over to them at any convenient time).
                  When in one day it was possible to run around all the district state dispensaries (drug addict and dope), even if they were wildly inconveniently located within the boundaries of the district, this did not bother me and get a certificate in a paid, conveniently located clinic (I emphasize: only if there are certificates from the district, state dispensaries!).
        6. +2
          14 December 2022 16: 05
          Quote: KCA
          you can become a hunter for free everywhere, it’s not a problem to get a weapon permit, if you have a hunting ticket, it’s 5 times faster and easier than without it, or you have other orders in liberalism



          Yah! really that fast?
          The authorities are afraid of the people with weapons, so there were obstacles.
          RIFLED BARREL CAN ONLY BE OBTAINED AFTER FIVE YEARS OF OWNING A SHOTGUN
          + INFORMATION FROM A madhouse, drug dispensary, etc.;
          + IF THERE WERE PROBLEMS WITH THE LAW THEN ... FUCK AND NOT A BANK;
          AND ALSO "TO PASS TRAINING AND PASS EXAMS WITH DEBILITY, Streamlined QUESTIONS ON A COMPUTER"
          1. KCA
            -1
            14 December 2022 16: 42
            Don't like the medical board, including the drug one day every 5 years? Well, go to the forest, did you / did you pass exams on a computer? I don’t, I don’t really like permission, but I pass tests and papers every 5 years
          2. 0
            15 December 2022 07: 57
            It seemed that training was only for owners of injuries, or if a long barrel was purchased for self-defense, is now everything done? And when re-registering injuries, it was only possible to get rid of the exam (computer questions and a couple of times in the shooting range). For everything else, training and examination were not required.
            1. KCA
              0
              15 December 2022 08: 44
              It was always smooth training, it’s just that if with a ticket, it was believed that the training had already passed and the hunt had passed at least a hunt, although, however, my father gave me a ticket and permission for my birthday, it used to be easier, somewhere my father’s hunting ticket is 60- 70 years old, the guns are recorded in it, Sauer and Zimson, and the knife is not numbered, homemade, and in general PPC - three males of the West Siberian Laika breed, a gun and dogs together, and no licenses / permits
              1. 0
                15 December 2022 09: 26
                Well, passing the hunting minimum, and even in the organization issuing the hunting ticket, has always been a pure formality) And now training is carried out in a licensed organization, passing the exam in the same place, repeatability once every 5 years (self-defense).
                I can’t understand, is this also introduced for hunters?
                1. -1
                  16 December 2022 13: 58
                  All weapons require training.
                  Before the summer changes, I managed to pass everything, get a license and buy a short Vepr-12.
          3. 0
            20 December 2022 20: 59
            IF THERE WERE PROBLEMS WITH THE LAW THEN ... FUCK AND NOT THE BANK;

            But now it doesn’t interfere at all with going to war - Prigogine will take it.
      2. +1
        14 December 2022 14: 59
        Quote: bairat
        So the fight with the hunters backfired.

        The fight against poachers gradually grew into a fight against hunters
    2. +7
      14 December 2022 08: 31
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      I'm skeptical about things like this...

      Frankly, on the basis of the information that is in the media, these structures and their tasks are really not clear. In fact, it would not be bad to first determine the border of the border zone in which these volunteer detachments are supposed to work, and give this zone an appropriate status so that arbitrary "fermentation" of hunters with weapons, various guests and simply "lost" can be stopped. Since volunteers are not supposed to be armed, they can be assigned functions related to observation and propaganda and information work with the population. These volunteers can be used to form additional observation posts, equip them with UAVs and put the area under visual control. Their forceful armed cover should be formed from the existing troops of the National Guard by the type of immediate response groups equipped with equipment, up to helicopters. Any DRG brings results only if secrecy is ensured in the work. The task of local volunteers is to ensure the transparency of the border zone and signaling to the feds about the penetration of unauthorized persons. As I have already said, the governors of Belgorod and other border regions had the difficult task of creating these detachments and, by experience, determine their tasks, composition, and system of interaction with the authorities. They will eventually come to the right solution, but before that they will try all the others. How without it? winked
      1. +5
        14 December 2022 14: 01
        Since volunteers are not supposed to be armed, they can be assigned functions related to observation and propaganda and information work with the population. These volunteers can be used to form additional observation posts, equip them with UAVs and put the area under visual control.

        In other words - "... now only and ... will enter into these DND. Because killing these vigilantes with whistles, mobile phones and slingshots will almost be like armed ones. It doesn't matter who, smugglers of weapons and ammunition, Ukrainian DRGs on checks documents, armed deserters or just criminality - I repeat, everyone will kill them and with pleasure. (With)
        1. 0
          14 December 2022 14: 17
          Quote: Ryazanets87
          Ukrainian DRGs on document checks

          For those who recognize the letters, but do not understand the word I repeat - observation and explanation, these are all the functions that can be assigned to them (volunteers). No checks of documents and searches for poachers with smugglers. All contacts with potentially dangerous persons are carried out only by the National Guard and the police. And to help them, the law on restrictions on movement and visits, as in the border zone, otherwise it is tougher. At the same time, volunteers on duty must be covered with a status equal to the police or something like that.
          1. +5
            14 December 2022 14: 37
            at the same time, volunteers on duty must be covered with a status equal to the police or thereabouts.

            Is the status of a police officer necessary for propaganda and information work with the population and the creation of VNOS posts? "and even tougher"
            Wherein:
            All contacts with potentially dangerous persons are carried out only by the National Guard and the police.

            Seriously? Why, then, are these combatants needed in principle, and even with the status of "equal to the police"? To cover up "during the execution" - grandmothers at the entrance to Konashenkov's summary should probably be given the outfit of the Russian Guard to read to them. Here is the performance.
            You simply propose to generate absolutely worthless and useless profanity, which is what it is, what it is not - it makes no difference. Which will end with the very first shot unarmed VNOS post.

            R.S. it is especially amazing that you can "arm" the UAV, but you can not give weapons. The first thing the Ukrainians will do is disguise the DRG as this murky squad, and launch the UAV closer to an important object.
            Without weapons, all these squads are rubbish in vegetable oil.
            1. -4
              14 December 2022 15: 01
              Quote: Ryazanets87
              Without weapons, all these squads are rubbish in vegetable oil.

              Nonsense? Good. Submit your vision. Taking into account that these are people who, according to their conditions (age and health), are not suitable for mobilization, but who want to serve the country and are ready to devote their time to this.
              Quote: Ryazanets87
              it is especially amazing that you can "arm" the UAV, but you can not give weapons

              In your opinion, arming the civilian population and granting them the appropriate right to open fire in the city, I note a peaceful city (no one has yet declared war and martial law), is this the height of common understanding of the situation? In fact, future police officers have been taught this for quite a long time. And the choice is no less. Providing them with weapons is tantamount to creating a normal military unit with all the consequences ... plus accounting, storage of weapons and ammunition. And other security issues. An elderly person with a weapon will be "jammed" even faster to take away his weapon winked
              1. +4
                14 December 2022 18: 10
                Nonsense? Good. Submit your vision. Taking into account that these are people who, according to their conditions (age and health), are not suitable for mobilization, but who want to serve the country and are ready to devote their time to this.

                Excuse me
                First, define the goals of creating people's militia units (any term can be used - territorial defense, militia, even landstorm).
                And here there is nothing to invent, it is enough to open the Federal Law "On Defense", Art. 22 "Territorial defense". The list of tasks is immediately clear:
                1. Protection (including together with the military personnel of the Ministry of Defense, the National Guard):
                - military facilities (the same warehouses);
                - important state and special facilities;
                - facilities that ensure the vital activity of the population, the functioning of transport, communications and communications;
                - energy facilities;
                - objects that pose an increased danger to human life and health and to the natural environment;
                2. Combating sabotage and reconnaissance formations of foreign states and illegal armed formations; detection, prevention, suppression, minimization and (or) elimination of the consequences of their sabotage, reconnaissance and terrorist activities.
                In fact, we are talking about helping and reducing the load on parts of the Ministry of Defense, the National Guard and the police, in part, for example, the same security and guard service.
                Relatively speaking, the bridge in the N-sky district can be guarded by 1 employee of the National Guard, or maybe 1 employee of the Russian Guard and 10 local militias.
                Or the control of the perimeter around the military airfield can be carried out not only by the forces of the military personnel of the corresponding unit, but also by the militias attached to them (possibly with personal civilian equipment, the same UAZ will fit perfectly).
                What do we do?
                1. We declare martial law in the Bryansk, Kursk, Belgorod and Rostov regions (at least) instead of the current muddy "2nd degree of strengthening something there." Reasons are more than enough. Moreover, martial law has already been introduced in several regions of the Russian Federation.
                2. Formation of volunteer territorial squads. Better - on the basis of the Russian Guard (they will mainly interact with them).
                Important conditions:
                - the squad is completed on a territorial basis (district of the region), is involved in the performance of its functions on the territory of its district;
                - command - career officers with disabilities, but able to continue to perform command functions (well, relatively speaking, without a hand).
                Or local officers-leaves who are not subject to conscription due to age (still quite vigorous "Afghans" can be found, although they are over 60).
                - contingent - citizens who are not subject to mobilization due to age and health status (with the exception of mental disorders, these, of course, cannot be involved).
                - only light small arms + it is possible to use personal firearms legally owned by citizens.
                The most suitable something like SCS.
                - before the start of direct service, combatants approach a training / retraining course based on the capacities of the National Guard (yes, at least PMCs, they are already doing this);
                - the basis of the service - the contract. Status - equated to a serviceman with the appropriate monetary allowance (but without combat) in the case of "full" employment, possibly partially (several days a week) - then the allowance is lower. Plus pensions in case of injury, injury, death. You can think about some system of benefits.
                - clothing allowance - at your own expense (you can give out some minimum, the same SIBZ, but I doubt that this is possible now). Even better, involve local businesses in tailoring uniforms and equipment.
                3. Creation of a territorial defense headquarters with representatives of law enforcement agencies. Distribution of responsibilities, created resource. Strengthen the security of facilities, organize additional patrols and roadblocks.
                I'll notice a peaceful city

                I have good friends who live in Belgorod - they hear air defense every other day, they have also been able to see turntables ... a peaceful city looks somehow different. Maybe. By the way, this is not only and not so much about the city, but about the territory of the region.
                An elderly person with a weapon will be "jammed" even faster to take away his weapon

                It all depends on the person. Slap down a 55-year-old hunter man who served in the army and, possibly, fought.
                1. +1
                  15 December 2022 06: 05
                  Quote: Ryazanets87
                  Excuse me
                  First, let's define the goals of creating people's militia units (any term can be used - territorial defense, militia, even landstorm).
                  And there is nothing to invent, it is enough to open the Federal Law "On Defense", Art. 22 "Territorial defense".

                  You, dear, confuse tasks and methods. Armament is already a question of the method of solving problems from the Federal Law ... Everything written in paragraph 2 shows that you have nothing to do with organizing a target team of more than three people. Well, at least, what kind of personal weapons do the volunteers have? It will be different for everyone. How will you plan the supply of ammunition, at least at the stage of primary combat training? And everything else is about the same - equipment, equipment, provision. And the sources of funding, respectively, subordination, the contract - this is the same call on a voluntary basis in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. The governor cannot deal with this issue. That is why I said that today there will be a "run-in" of this system of territorial defense. "Maybe they will later adopt some kind of provision on arming these detachments. The war will correct the plan.
                  Quote: Ryazanets87
                  Slap down a 55-year-old hunter man who served in the army and, possibly, fought.

                  Lonely and even wandering together - no problem ... Moreover, the proportion of those who fought among them will not be large. Therefore, as soon as you give them weapons, they turn into a normal, albeit freelance, but already a unit, with barracks accommodation, with their own armory room and daily outfit, and moving with weapons in space in groups of at least three or four people (ordinary criminal crime has not yet been canceled, even in the border areas). And yes, Belgorod is not under martial law today. There is a certain average level of response. This is a legal concept, no matter how it seems to someone outside. It involves some legal restrictions on the freedoms of citizens and the economy and the granting of special rights to local and regional government.
        2. +1
          14 December 2022 19: 30
          ... everyone will kill them with pleasure

          I won’t be surprised if they kill (suddenly) some reptile, then they will be imprisoned.
      2. Alf
        +2
        14 December 2022 19: 36
        Quote: Hagen
        arm them with UAVs

        Where can I get them if there is not enough for the army? Or again at your own expense to buy?
    3. +1
      15 December 2022 09: 24
      First, the appearance of volunteer battalions is an initiative of local governors who understand the seriousness of the situation on the border.

      It is strange, but at the beginning of the article it is written that the initiative came from the citizens, as we say, the initiative from below.
      In this regard, the appearance of volunteer battalions in the Belgorod and Kursk regions looks quite natural. Only they are unarmed. The formations do not belong to the structures of the law enforcement agencies of Russia, and therefore do not have the right to carry weapons.

      Yes, as if they did not go to the addresses, confiscating hunting trunks.
      All these serif features are nothing more than PR. Remember how a couple of years ago we laughed at the Ukrainians who portrayed something similar. And what helped them? Yes, our troops from did not even notice. But let's say that a couple or a dozen tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers approached such ditches. Firstly, there are self-ditchers on the tanks, and secondly, without being covered by troops, the landing on armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles with shovels in 20 minutes will throw the necessary area to overcome this barrier. What to do and how to be. More decisive actions in / in Ukraine, to drive them away from the lines, the use of the equipment that we have been told about for so many years to destroy armor, ukrov aviation.
  2. +15
    14 December 2022 04: 33
    It would be better for the 10th month of "SVO" to give it a legal status (which still does not exist) and form an army instead of the current feudal militia, that is, "allied forces", where recently outlawed PMCs also play the first violin.
    And the formulation of real goals for the NWO is just a dream. Without this, a priori, any war does not make sense.
    As for this initiative, it is better than national battalions (an extremely harmful thing), but without weapons they will be useless, and power is unlikely to give them weapons.
    1. -9
      14 December 2022 05: 08
      Let me stand up for Prigozhin's PMC... she did very well in the database in Ukraine.
      As a military structure, it is very effective where it is necessary to quickly and decisively destroy the enemy.
      The army in this regard loses to PMCs because of its bureaucracy, where every step must be coordinated with a bunch of bosses.
      And the people's squads without the support of the people are worth little ... the modern government does not like the initiative of the people and tries to limit any of its initiatives with its prohibitions and the framework of by-laws.
      1. +6
        14 December 2022 06: 16
        The army in this regard loses PMCs
        The army lost to PMCs so much that an adequate leader should already be wondering if he needs this inefficient colossus in its current form. It is impossible to reformat this mechanism. Corruption will devour any innovation. The couple doubt that you can buy a position from the Wagners or sell them trash for three prices.
        1. +1
          14 December 2022 07: 41
          Quote: bairat
          The army in this regard loses PMCs
          The army lost to PMCs so much that an adequate leader should already be wondering if he needs this inefficient colossus in its current form. It is impossible to reformat this mechanism. Corruption will devour any innovation. The couple doubt that you can buy a position from the Wagners or sell them trash for three prices.

          The army created PMCs to bypass their own restrictions and bureaucracy.
      2. +2
        14 December 2022 12: 47
        Let me stand up for PMC Prigozhin.
        Dear Lech from Android. I would like to make this point. From the beginning, allied forces participated in the NMD - the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, the NM of the DPR and the NM of the LPR. And the use of PMCs outside the borders of the Russian Federation - on the territory of the DPR and LPR was legally justified. But ... At present, both the DPR and the LPR are subjects of the Russian Federation and the battles are taking place on the territory of the Russian Federation. And then what is the legal status of the people's militia of the republics? For example, the formations of the Chechen Republic are divisions of the National Guard. And who are they? And, moreover, what is the legal status of the use of PMCs on the territory of the Russian Federation, if, according to the law of the Russian Federation, there are no PMCs and cannot be?
      3. +3
        14 December 2022 13: 09
        The army in this regard loses to PMCs because of its bureaucracy, where every step must be coordinated with a bunch of bosses.


        Alex, did you serve in the army? If you served, you must understand that all this bureaucracy also did not appear out of nowhere, but there may be excesses, excesses of performers on the ground, but an army without this bureaucracy is just an armed formation that is exactly what a PMC is and it is effective in the event of a terrorist war, but against the regular army, these formations are not effective, and this is clearly visible in Ukraine.
        How long PMCs have been storming settlements, we have not yet touched on their losses, especially among recruited prisoners.
      4. +2
        14 December 2022 14: 13
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        Let me stand up for PMC Prigozhin ... she showed herself very well in the database in Ukraine

        Did I attack them? I only noted that they are outside the zone of the law. And, by the way, we have more than one PMC fighting. Wagner is only the most famous. Well, the formation of penal battalions of prisoners by them without permission is, in general, nonsense from a legal point of view. The state is deprived of its basic feature - the monopoly on violence.
        And so, people are at war, and low bow to them. 500's, at least there are incommensurably less.
        PS If it matters to you, I gave you a plus. I don't know what people didn't like about your post.
  3. +15
    14 December 2022 04: 51
    I, as a resident of Moscow, is very worried .. and Putin will leave Moscow? tank gouges, and anti-tank ditches, shall we dig?
  4. +2
    14 December 2022 05: 19
    Is the Belgorod governor preparing a personal squad (bulls)? But how else do illegal armed (he asks for weapons for his own) formations look like? am Today they are "amusing" and tomorrow you can acquire property with them, because the squad should be self-supporting? And how do you like a cynical look from this side?
    1. -6
      14 December 2022 05: 27
      Quote: Guran33 Sergey
      Is the Belgorod governor preparing a personal squad (bulls)? But how else do illegal armed (he asks for weapons for his own) formations look like? am

      This is partly true ... there is a danger of using such formations for other purposes.
      But that's what the prosecutor's office, the police, the courts, the advocacy and the president's office for complaints about the bulls of governors are for.
      Putin loves to collect dirt on governors ... I noticed that he has such a hobby left from the old service
      So if I were the governors, I would not relax.
      1. +3
        14 December 2022 05: 58
        In general, this is called the "national guard" in the United States, it is controlled by the federals in our country, if according to the mind, the "people's militia" (militia according to old Russian or Soviet realities) and is also controlled by the Kremlin. tank, fifty bulls to the judge in the hall ..
      2. Egg
        +2
        14 December 2022 16: 15
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        This is partly true ... there is a danger of using such formations for other purposes.
        But that's what the prosecutor's office, the police, the courts, the advocacy and the president's office for complaints about the bulls of governors are for.
        Putin loves to collect dirt on governors ... I noticed that he has such a hobby left from the old service
        So if I were the governors, I would not relax.

        this is a trifle compared with the armed "security" units of such giants as Gazprom, Transneft, Lukoil, and they have long been armed and by no means with smoothbore.
  5. +10
    14 December 2022 05: 38
    In general, the great strategists of the General Staff and politicians have screwed up. Disgrace. The Gerasimov Doctrine in action. And not a single one who retired. All the heroes of this unpleasant action are in the places assigned to them. Interestingly, will we see tank biathlon next year? And sim win.
    1. +2
      14 December 2022 05: 50
      Doctrine of Gerasim (tm) Turgenev, Ivan Sergeevich
      1. +3
        14 December 2022 05: 55
        Turgenevsky Gerasim was more useful in the field. hi
        1. +3
          14 December 2022 07: 44
          There is nothing to be clever when the interlocutors of Mahatma Gandhi mosk wrinkle! Deaths unleashed...
          Russia will respond to any of your tricks with unpredictable stupidity(c) Never offended liver sausage
    2. +4
      14 December 2022 06: 05
      Interestingly, will we see tank biathlon next year?
      On the nose is another event - the Victory Parade. I wonder who the tankers will represent, again the Kantemirovites? And in general, it seems like it’s not the time for such representations yet. And after the Victory, the real heroes of the current war, all this hodgepodge of army units, Cossacks, PMCs, Kadyrovites and other Somalis, must pass through Red Square. And in spite of the general's riff-raff, they will pass without a regular drill step, and without twisting their heads 90 degrees. The people will understand.
      1. +2
        14 December 2022 06: 16
        Of course Kantemirovites. But it's better to walk on plywood models. The people should know the heroes and see them.
    3. -6
      14 December 2022 06: 14
      Well, why are you so upset about the quilted jacket .. why did you drink that option A (tanks and polite people) did not pass .. another political one urgently danced in an undercover fight until August, now the military, confused (and the military is mostly parquet), are pushing their variant of action and at the same time, in a calm atmosphere, they put mobiks in a military way (a civilian who came to the reserve needs time to realize that you have to kill and they also kill you) so that how many of them who recently surrendered were shot to show off the militants of the Armed Forces of Ukraine - in three of six .. And the Donetsk pilots were not captured wished and hit the outskirts of technology with their lives and a downed plane soldier
      1. +7
        14 December 2022 06: 20
        I'm not upset. I'm angry. Highly. And first of all, the unsinkability of some characters. And the toothlessness of our authorities.
        1. +5
          14 December 2022 06: 43
          I agree with you on everything "146%" Because I don't see anyone "suffering" somehow who pushed through plan A, and in general it's a distinct disaster when politicians, spitting on the army, gave up more of the occupied space than they left for themselves (about Kherson there is no need, there really is a military need -but again, the one who did not expand the bridgehead to the size of the enemy’s inaccessibility to the bridges is not unseen)
        2. +3
          14 December 2022 07: 42
          Quote: Russian quilted jacket
          I'm not upset. I'm angry. Highly. And first of all, the unsinkability of some characters. And the toothlessness of our authorities.

          I join ... hi anger is also torn apart for the mediocrity of our leadership ... I will not vote for these mediocrity in the elections.
          1. +8
            14 December 2022 09: 13
            "anger is torn apart for the mediocrity of our leadership"
            "I will not vote for these mediocrity in the elections"

            I'm sorry, but you just now realized this?
            And the fact that you will not vote for them is to their side. They will draw any percentage they want, and then they will sit in warm places.
  6. +3
    14 December 2022 05: 43
    The defenders of the Belgorod and Kursk regions have not yet received the right to bear arms.
    Yeah. There are more questions than answers. And how will it be paid? How should I feed my family? I'm talking about the militia. Injury or death. It looks very much like the next action of effective managers. They want to save money on people. Is there a line efficiency? I'm talking about dragon teeth? As Strelkov wrote, one demining machine and ... the passage is ready.
    1. ada
      +2
      14 December 2022 07: 31
      Federal Law No. 4-FZ of November 2022, 419 "On Amendments to Certain Legislative Acts of the Russian Federation"
      Date of signing: 04.11.2022Published: 08.11.2022
      Effective: 04.11.2022
      Adopted by the State Duma on October 27, 2022
      Approved by the Federation Council on November 2, 2022
      1. 0
        14 December 2022 08: 52
        Federal Law No. 4-FZ of November 2022, 419 "On Amendments to Certain Legislative Acts of the Russian Federation"

        Well, if it is equated to the military, then it's good. Thank you.
  7. Jyt
    +4
    14 December 2022 05: 48
    Something didn’t start to smell like 1941, but 1917 is still the beginning, we’ll see everything in March as Yeltsinoids-travelers repeat the fate of Nicholas 2, they have a road there, they need to love and respect their homeland, and not trade it. I’m not for Benders, I’m for my homeland and the people. And our soldiers deal with those who ruined everything with us and with the Bender-fascists too. The main thing in our country is not Putin, but its citizens.
    1. -13
      14 December 2022 06: 18
      So the bulkers came to their senses and began to sing their slogans ..
      1. Jyt
        +5
        14 December 2022 08: 54
        Do not bulk up (the Yeltsin brothers, Putin, who quarreled with him right now), but Soviet citizens who honor and love their homeland and know that on TV (VRF) that they drive nonsense on Radio Liberty so that people do not orient themselves in the political situation.
  8. +2
    14 December 2022 05: 54
    Quote: Russian quilted jacket
    Gerasimova in action

    And Zaluzhny praises Gerasimov ... I read all his books.
    1. +7
      14 December 2022 06: 00
      I read about it and saw a photo of Zaluzhny during this interview. He said that he reads like at night. Trolling our level XNUMX chief of staff. Zaluzhny in this regard, well done. And our irony did not understand.
      1. 0
        15 December 2022 00: 01
        Quote: Russian quilted jacket
        He said that he reads like at night. Trolling our level XNUMX chief of staff.

        The war is on the territory of Ukraine. For Zaluzhny, Zelensky carried out 7 mobilizations and armed the defense, the oligarchs of Ukraine handed over their pocket armies to Zaluzhny. Even such a tough oligarch as Kolomoisky was notably dispossessed in Ukraine in favor of the defense capability of Ukraine. Gerasimov did not receive such resources from Putin. Even Peskov's daughter squanders more money in the USA and Europe than Gerasimov receives for her service and openly boasts that she is not a Russian woman, but a citizen of the world ..
  9. +7
    14 December 2022 05: 57

    There is no smoke without fire - the Armed Forces of Ukraine are clearly determined to expand the combat zone deep into the territory of Russia. In this regard, the appearance of volunteer battalions in the Belgorod and Kursk regions looks quite natural.
    The salvation of the drowning, the work of the drowning themselves. This is how things are going, first you need an army, at the expense of volunteers to supply the necessary, then recruit volunteers, then mobilize, but now you need to prepare for partisans. The current government has won.
    1. -2
      14 December 2022 06: 01
      Your nickname is suspicious ... post seditious drawings, I won’t be surprised if you also call for a revolution.
      1. +3
        14 December 2022 14: 38
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        Your nickname is suspicious ... post seditious drawings, I won’t be surprised if you also call for a revolution.

        Nothing suspicious. Drawings, on the topic of the day, but about the revolution, if things go on like this, it will come by itself, and there is no need to call.
    2. +4
      14 December 2022 06: 04
      Somehow one character shouted “who does not have a billion, let him go to .... Well, in the seat. The life of the plebeians does not matter. If these plebeians are not in London.
  10. +7
    14 December 2022 06: 03
    The whole thing goes to the formation of the National Guard. Quite numerous conscripts, policemen and National Guardsmen solve other problems.
    All these military surrogates will in no way replace martial law and a mass army.

    ps On the governors once again hung the problems of federal importance.
    1. +5
      14 December 2022 06: 08
      As usual. The Kremlin does not know. Peskov will explain this.
  11. -5
    14 December 2022 06: 23
    Quote: bairat
    The couple doubt that you can buy a position from the Wagners or sell them trash for three prices.

    To hell with the Wagnerians, posts and rubbish ... they have only one criterion - efficiency and usefulness ... they use everything that benefits the cause to the maximum ... be it materiel or management ... then what our army, oh how lacking ... mediocrity in general uniforms is not kept there.
    In this regard, the musicians are very strong.
    1. +4
      14 December 2022 06: 34
      Interestingly, the deputies wanted to bring PMCs into a legal framework, Prigozhin then said: you are now adopting laws, then they will start taking us by the balls. Like we have now, a check comes to the front line and punishes for the absence of a bath towel. It must be, do not care that there is no bath.
  12. +1
    14 December 2022 06: 26
    but better late than never.
    This is our tradition, and we keep it..
  13. +14
    14 December 2022 06: 27
    If you call a spade a spade, then these are partisans. And poorly trained and armed. Doomed to die in clashes with the regular army.
    In fact, this is the bankruptcy of some people and structures. collapse. I don't name specifically who and what I'm talking about.
    Smart and understandable. It's pointless to explain to fools.
  14. +9
    14 December 2022 07: 36
    They have come ... there already at the time of the "base" of partisan detachments to lay, in anticipation of the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine
  15. ada
    +5
    14 December 2022 07: 45
    People without weapons: ...

    Oh, you're not confusing anything? Kartapolov, you say?
    Federal Law No. 4-FZ of November 2022, 419 "On Amendments to Certain Legislative Acts of the Russian Federation"
    10. Citizens of the Russian Federation who are in volunteer formations have a status (a set of rights, duties and responsibilities) established by federal laws and other regulatory legal acts of the Russian Federation. For such citizens in the cases and in the manner provided for by federal laws and other regulatory legal acts of the Russian Federation, extends the status of military personnel.

    11. The procedure for providing volunteer units weapons, military equipment, material and technical means, the procedure for paying the citizens of the Russian Federation staying in them a monetary allowance and other cash payments, food, clothing and other types of support, and the provision of medical care are determined by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.
    1. +8
      14 December 2022 08: 11
      well, it remains to be decided what exactly is a volunteer formation, who can create it and how, and whether these "vigilantes" fit this status .. after that, we can draw a conclusion based on the law you cited .. but simply citing the law is not enough to answer .. after all, you don’t think that by creating a squad of 10 people in any village, now you can demand weapons and status from the Moscow Region?
      1. ada
        +2
        14 December 2022 08: 33
        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
        ... Don't you think that by creating a squad of 10 people in any village, now you can demand weapons and status from the Ministry of Defense?

        Unfortunately, I am not familiar with most elements of TerO planning, and what I know is not relevant to volunteer formations and may be out of date. At least from the known changes in the legislation, one can trace the desire of the country's leadership to implement the contract method of recruiting formations to provide TerO. The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation plays a leading role in the TerO organization. I believe that the creation of a certain squad in the village on your own is illegal or insignificant.
        I can't explain anything so general and clearly showing the whole structure of the process, sorry. I guess planning is in progress.
  16. +4
    14 December 2022 07: 58
    The need to form self-defense detachments on the Russian-Ukrainian border became obvious after the famous gesture of "good will" when Russian troops left the northern front of the front. Since then, terrorist artillery attacks on border villages have become a sad tradition for local residents. It is not entirely clear why they waited with the people's squads until the beginning of December, but better late than never.
    It is necessary, necessary, ripe and overripe!!! Well, where is it??
    The right to protection, and even violence, i.e. tough methods of counteraction, only the state has, isn't it time to RETURN part of the rights and opportunities to citizens ??? Or is it scary, suddenly CITIZENS will come with questions to those who, under the protection of the state, did what they wanted and how they wanted???
    The question is not idle ... if you have a lot of rights, then there are a lot of duties, but how did you dispose of what you had ... all the rights to the fullest, but the duties are what for!?!?!?
  17. +2
    14 December 2022 08: 04
    Quote: Civil
    The army created PMCs to bypass their own restrictions and bureaucracy.

    Perhaps I agree with your idea ... it is impossible to have your own combat aircraft as part of a PMC without the consent of the army.
  18. +3
    14 December 2022 08: 05
    so after all, in Tsarist times, the Cossacks kept military weapons at home and none of them shot each other. What, a modern peasant in the border Belgorod region is dumber than a Cossack of the century before last?
    1. +4
      14 December 2022 08: 23
      Quote: north 2
      so after all, in Tsarist times, the Cossacks kept military weapons at home and none of them shot each other.

      Do you really think that the state shows concern for citizens in this way? "So that they don't shoot each other"? Or is it something else?
  19. +4
    14 December 2022 08: 33
    It remains to be hoped that civil administrations have provided arsenals for volunteers for H-Day. And not just a scattering of Soviet-era AKM and PKM from warehouses, but heavy small arms and anti-tank weapons.

    Author, you still reserve armored vehicles for irregulars laughing.
    Heavy weapons should be delivered to where they are most effectively used, that is, to the active army. It is not enough to have it, you need to be able to use it, and preferably in combination with other branches of the military (combined arms combat). This requires trained specialists, intelligence, target designation, and command (preferably laughing) ...
    The main weapons of light forces (those described in the article) are knowledge of the terrain, speed and mobility, action on the principle of "hit and run". To the rifleman, a maximum heavy machine gun on a cart, a Mavik, and of course an RPG hi
    1. ada
      +1
      14 December 2022 08: 46
      Quote: Adrey
      ... You still reserve armored vehicles for irregulars.

      Don't believe wassat , vashcheta armored vehicles were previously planned, perhaps now they will be,. since military personnel of the RF Ministry of Defense can be sent to volunteer formations. Usually, it all depends on the assigned tasks.
      1. +2
        14 December 2022 08: 53
        Quote: ada
        Do not believe it, your armored vehicles were previously planned

        Yes, I believe everything laughing!
        Quote: ada
        Usually, it all depends on the assigned tasks.

        It is desirable to set tasks that are realistically feasible for the unit. It is probably impossible to stop a company of "grandfathers of partisans" even with a attached platoon of conscripts, an enemy tank column, even at an equipped line. But to "pinch" the tail of this column, it may well burn out hi
        1. 0
          15 December 2022 20: 27
          Adrey (Andrey). Yesterday, 08:53. NEW - "... It is advisable to set tasks that are really feasible for the unit. It will probably not work to stop a company of "grandfathers of partisans" even with an attached platoon of conscripts, an enemy tank column, even at an equipped line, probably will not work ... "


          The feeling is. that there is NO one except the hunters in the defense and the appointed one. And thoughts too... feel

          Only one (if not missed) mention of the US experience of the National Guard and its use cases. belay There is the experience of Switzerland. Experience of Soviet Russia. when they did not reach the personnel army. There was a militia system with the ALL-EDUCATIONAL system with the same defense, if necessary, with the transition to the regular army.
          There is a lot of experience, including "opponents" (learning from the enemy is a useful thing. Remember the thanksgiving words of Peter 1 to Charles). good The question is UNDERSTANDING and DESIRE.
          Now THIS is necessary. unlikely. that NWO will end peacefully. The prospect of importing "Petriots" (USA). at least with calculations. missiles (England). the desire and willingness to snatch a piece of Poland (i.e., attracting HER army) and l / s from wild geese to illegal, but regular NATO troops and other factors speak for themselves. bully
          We need a system of training (retraining) at the local level with mandatory state participation from legislative to organization and support. The structure will make it possible to increase the readiness of the reserve (OVP and special P) with another readiness for the organization of territorial defense during the growth of the database and maintaining order at the local level
          That in the Russian Federation peace and quiet and God's grace!? Some guests from 10-30 ml. not counting them with passports and illegal immigrants. As an option. bully We read the report of Bortnikov (FSB) and see the plots of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB.
          Remember the experience of WWII. least. Help is waiting from no one. Only themselves.
  20. +3
    14 December 2022 08: 36
    Quote: Level 2 Advisor
    just quotes of the law are not enough for an answer ...

    The law in general is an interesting thing ... depending on whose hands it is in.
    It can be rotated 360 degrees if you really want to. smile
  21. +4
    14 December 2022 09: 08
    Stop being afraid of your own people.
    Issue weapons while you can safely choose worthy people in the militia.
    Well, or wait.
    Then you will, like Ukrainians, uncontrollably dump piles of Kalash on the square for everyone.
    It's much safer and more efficient.
    1. Alf
      +1
      14 December 2022 19: 52
      Quote from Gromit
      Stop being afraid of your own people.

      The authorities can be afraid of their own people only in one case - when there is, for what.
      1. 0
        14 December 2022 20: 10
        Not necessary. Our society is indeed patriarchal and infantile. Making it easier to get a weapon is the way to a lot of emergency.
        The people themselves are asking, we don’t want to answer for anything, we don’t want to choose anyone, let the good king make us beautiful and good.

        But it is still desirable to gradually accustom people to rights and responsibilities.
  22. +7
    14 December 2022 09: 37
    Do you remember how they neighed over the Ukrainians with their ditches and fences on the border years ago? And this year it was funny to everyone how weapons in Kuev were handed out to everyone. Do you hear dynamics?
    1. -3
      14 December 2022 10: 00
      It is necessary to resettle villages and villages from the border and build continuous lines of defense with serious fortifications, it is possible to dismantle bridges somewhere, reduce forests, create open spaces, deploy barriers of tethered balloons against drones
    2. +2
      14 December 2022 11: 13
      No, some people don't remember this, but when it's convenient for them, they remember everything, and when they don't, they have a memory like a goldfish. Laughing then laughing, and now crying with bloody tears.
  23. +5
    14 December 2022 10: 18
    People's self-defense units should be formed from the Russian Forbes list, and Roman Abramovich should be appointed responsible for the supply. Then such units will have iPhones and bulletproof vests and UAVs.
  24. +2
    14 December 2022 10: 43
    As I understand it, we decided to repeat the entire path of post-Maidan Ukraine without missing a single step. What's ahead - Debaltseve-2? Ilovaisk-2 was already there (when they rushed to the capital, and then, due to lack of strength, they were forced to leave the occupied territories), although this time they managed to leave without a boiler.
  25. -2
    14 December 2022 11: 45
    Pitchfork, axes in hand and forward to the very city of Kyiv to the bunker of the accursed Herod Ze. . . soldier
  26. 0
    14 December 2022 12: 31
    I wouldn't be surprised if they start arming with shovels.
    1. -1
      14 December 2022 12: 50
      Weapons in warehouses in bulk ..... any year of manufacture, even PPSh or Mosinka ....
      1. 0
        14 December 2022 13: 07
        As soon as this begins, the "eagles" from Belokamennaya will fly in with a scream of "How dare you!" So I believe in cuttings more. Well, or they will carry their own illegally. To live is a hunt.
        1. 0
          16 December 2022 19: 53
          Quote: Poloskun raccoon
          As soon as this begins, the "eagles" from Belokamennaya will fly in with a scream of "How dare you!" So I believe in cuttings more. Well, or they will carry their own illegally. To live is a hunt.

          At one time I told the guards about batons: put them out of your head if you don’t want to slurp gruel. Arrange cuttings, sticks in accessible places, in which case you can always say that you defended yourself with improvised means ...
  27. +1
    14 December 2022 12: 49
    With all my critical attitude towards the Cossacks (in modern times), but their hour has come. They have a structure, patriotism is above the national average ....... issue a uniform, put it on supply, issue weapons, assign a salary .....
    1. Alf
      0
      14 December 2022 19: 53
      Quote: Zaurbek
      They have a structure, patriotism is above the national average ....

      But is there a desire to fight and die is a very big question ...
      1. 0
        14 December 2022 22: 34
        If they don't, why should peasants and workers have feelings? Students? Businessmen?
  28. +3
    14 December 2022 13: 07
    In general, the authorities are afraid.
    The people themselves cannot gather squads. no way
    The people themselves cannot arm themselves for protection. down low
    Everything requires the consent of the master.

    Which has not given such permission for a long time, and does not give weapons.
    Here is a socially close oligarch with the armed, you know who - you can. And for a long time, PMCs with criminals have been possible. Disappeared stocks - you can. Nadolby from private hands, for a small share - you can.

    And the armed people's squads - according to the article, are still begging for good from the master ...
    1. +1
      14 December 2022 15: 17
      What are the authorities afraid of? People must have purpose and provision. Of course, a man with a gun without supervision and purpose is a criminal. And there, on the border with a shaft of work and then with the arc side of the border, too. This was not done, now the problems.
      1. -1
        14 December 2022 22: 25
        The idea was confirmed.
        The master must give everything. "Purpose, provision, supervision, work", etc. Well, worse weapons, if you will.
        And for no reason - "criminal".
        1. 0
          14 December 2022 22: 33
          Well, there are different concepts, in the country's neighbors the defense was armed, for example. You can look at the experience
  29. +1
    14 December 2022 13: 25
    Interesting: where did the army go? Not only did an entire military group (namely, the MTO of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation) disappear somewhere, disappear, cease to exist (Need proofs? Volunteers who buy Bushiki for the last penny and in general everything for mobiles will be proofs for you) So also the army does not cover its own borders.
    1. 0
      16 December 2022 19: 48
      Quote: Commissioner_Wolf
      Interesting: where did the army go? Not only did an entire military group (namely, the MTO of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation) disappear somewhere, disappear, cease to exist (Need proofs? Volunteers who buy Bushiki for the last penny and in general everything for mobiles will be proofs for you) So also the army does not cover its own borders.

      In general, you are right! The army was in the lam, 200 were fighting, where are the rest?! What prevents the border guards from being reinforced with contract soldiers for patrolling, equipping them with copters and jeeps?! Everything is better than the retinue people ...
      1. 0
        19 December 2022 13: 37
        It's been 10 months since the start of the SVO. The MTO of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation did not appear anywhere, 29 brigades, warehouses of equipment and weapons stupidly disappeared without a trace. The duties of the rear are now performed ....... * drumroll * ...... GOVERNORS of the regions, civilian people, basically without a minimum military education (God forbid the deadline has passed, and even then ... the last 20 years of conscripts they didn’t teach to fight from the word at all) and all the garbage is tanked by PMC Wagner.
        I am grateful to the SVO for only one moment: it allowed to open this deepest abscess of incompetence and devastation before the people. And in the year 24, the people will go to choose their fate, no longer having any illusions about the imaginary stability from the Supreme High Command
  30. AMG
    -1
    14 December 2022 13: 55
    Hi all! Debates are stormy, there are many conversations. Or maybe we’ll come up from the other side and remember who should guard the border? Immediately comes to mind, of course the border guards! The Border Service of the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation (PS FSB of Russia) is a structural unit (special service) within the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation (FSB of Russia), whose main task is to protect, guard and defend the State Border of the Russian ... And where are they? There is no Western border now. There are simply frontier departments of separate areas. There are 5 more border institutes. For example, Golitsinsky, who cooks1. At the main base (Golitsyno)
    1.1. Officers with higher education (training period 5 years) in the following specialties:

    - 57.05.01 Border activities, qualification - border management specialist, specialization - operational and service activities of border control units;

    - 57.05.01 Border activities, qualification - specialist in border management, specialization - personnel management of border agencies;

    - 37.05.02 Psychology of official activity, qualification - psychologist;

    - 40.05.01 Legal support of national security, qualification - lawyer.

    Upon graduation from the Institute, graduates receive a diploma of higher education and are awarded the military rank of "lieutenant".

    It turns out everything is there! So maybe just remember the experience of protecting the Soviet-Chinese border in his time, and the Soviet-Afghan in 1979-1989.?
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    0
    14 December 2022 16: 34
    Quote from AMG
    It turns out everything is there! So maybe just remember the experience of protecting the Soviet-Chinese border in his time, and the Soviet-Afghan in 1979-1989.?

    why? you won’t get kickbacks from this and you won’t do business on this hi
  32. +2
    14 December 2022 20: 55
    At the time of my childhood, almost every family had a gun, or even two, or more, depending on the number of men. My father had two: a Sauer with three barrels, a trophy and a sixteenth caliber gun, and what is remarkable in my memory has never been I didn’t shoot anyone. From the mid-sixties they began to press. At the moment, in the village, if there are a dozen trunks, that’s good. And you say the militia. I live in the Belgorod region. Sincerely. Krylov.
  33. 0
    14 December 2022 21: 40
    It remains to be hoped that civil administrations have provided arsenals for volunteers on the day "H". And not just a scattering of Soviet-era AKM and PKM from warehouses, but heavy small arms and anti-tank weapons.
    On what basis do we have specific principalities ???
    ps The creation of armed formations can only be provided for by federal law and at the federal level. Everything else is essentially an NVF ...
  34. -2
    14 December 2022 22: 25
    Children are taught military science in schools, and adults can be taught this all the more! Some lunatic! There is no need to ask anyone for permission to use weapons, to train people's militias in the defense of their settlements, to obtain weapons handling skills for this purpose. In order to avoid problems, it is necessary to comply with the legal minimum and turn to Shoigu. Sergei Kuzhugetovich is an adequate person, he will understand that the help and benefits from the people's militia will be enormous, because the people's squads and the militia will help ensure law and order in the territories under their control and will be of great help in the fight against terrorism. No one can forbid the authorities, under the guidance of competent instructors, to train the militias in the skills of handling weapons, training in the skills and tactics of warfare to protect their homeland from the Bandera fascists. Combat training can be done with training weapons, and shooting skills training can be done at military shooting ranges. You can even formally give the militias the status of employees of private security companies.
  35. -1
    14 December 2022 22: 33
    Prigozhin, the commander of the Wagner PMC, should also be asked for help. Prigozhin himself urged everyone to learn how to fight the Banderites to contact him. And those who are trying to ban the military training of the militias should be prosecuted for sabotaging the NWO!!!
  36. +1
    14 December 2022 22: 43
    The militias, as well as the employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, need to formalize the right to carry weapons and issue weapons for the duration of patrolling and performing duties to protect defended settlements and military and civilian facilities.
  37. 0
    15 December 2022 15: 28
    Taking into account the fact that in the border regions (the same Belgorod) there are, to put it mildly, significant military contingents from the border guards + troops withdrawn from the Kharkov region for reformation, there is no particular expediency in the militias
  38. +1
    16 December 2022 19: 42
    “These are people's combatants, that is, voluntary formations of citizens. They are not yet part of the Armed Forces and, accordingly, cannot be armed or provided through this line. These are voluntary people's squads that will solve tasks related to the Ministry of Defense.

    Example: vigilantes are walking, patrolling, a group of "tourists" in full combat came out from behind the turn. A question for the Ministry of Defense: what should be the actions of the combatants and in general what is the purpose of their patrolling ?!
    1. 0
      16 December 2022 23: 16
      Purely theoretically - they will disperse, if possible, continue monitoring, notify the local security forces ... when they approach, provide all kinds of support. If you managed to disperse the "tourists" - using the knowledge of the area, help in the pursuit ...
  39. 0
    16 December 2022 22: 19
    Absolutely useless as it is presented. In fact, untrained groups of sick people (who are not subject to mobilization for health reasons) without clothing and monetary support. Having no legal status.
  40. +1
    16 December 2022 22: 38
    Is it only on the Ukrainian border that problems await ... M.b. does it make sense to revive the system of villages, or God forbid - kibbutzim?
    1. +1
      16 December 2022 23: 39
      Quote: saygon66
      Is it only on the Ukrainian border that problems await ... M.b. does it make sense to revive the system of villages, or God forbid - kibbutzim?

      Well, then, the Cossack settlements are a good option.
      1. +1
        16 December 2022 23: 51
        And in the borderlands there are few other options ... The border guards are not the same now ...
  41. 0
    5 January 2023 22: 43
    These are voluntary people's squads that will solve tasks related to the Ministry of Defense.


    People's squads will primarily solve the tasks of the Russian Guard:
    - fight against DRG and enemy agents;
    - protection of strategically important infrastructure facilities;
    - assistance to the border troops of the FSB of the Russian Federation in protecting the border.

    The armament of the territorial defense units should be like that of light motorized infantry:
    Regiment of territorial defense of 1000-1200 people.
    - airborne assault battalion on BTR-70/80, BRDM-2;
    - two rifle battalions on KAMAZ, URAL;
    - mortar company (9 units 82 mm mortar "Tray");
    - machine-gun and grenade launcher company (UTYOS/Kord, AGS);
    - reconnaissance on UAZ;
    - MTO company;
    - Engineering and sapper company;
    - Command and communications company.
  42. 0
    10 January 2023 22: 51
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    Volunteers from the border regions of Russia are the most motivated fighters, and it is at least paradoxical not to trust them with weapons at such fateful moments in the history of the country.

    I am skeptical about such undertakings ... in the Caucasus it would have worked ... there, in every village, there is a machine gun, or even a machine gun, hidden away.
    And in the Russian hinterland, the people are absolutely defenseless against the DRG of Ukraine ... and if the Bandera conceived raids like Basayev's, then a lot of people's blood will be shed ... the police will not be able to do anything here .... the military will intervene later and the military operation will bring many victims.
    So everything sucks in that regard.
    Judging by how active the attacks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the rear of Russia are growing, it is necessary to prepare for the worst possible scenario.

    - It seems that the best option is to store the required amount of weapons in temporary warehouses on the territories of the district police departments (containers), with increased security. And with obligatory classes in the use of these weapons according to the developed schedule by groups of selected men (not en masse). It's not too late to start...
  43. -1
    18 February 2023 21: 21
    At some point, the weapon appears. Demand creates supply. In 2005, in Kyrgyzstan. in the midst of the "tulip revolution", weapons appeared instantly, from a shotgun to a grenade launcher. The main thing here is a trained and well-coordinated unit.