SMERSH and Counter sniper rifles are delivered to the troops

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SMERSH and Counter sniper rifles are delivered to the troops
Early prototype "SMERSH" on trials


Russian snipers participating in a special military operation have received a new weapon and test it in practice. Lobaev Arms provided them with newly developed semi-automatic rifles "SMERSH" and "Counter". Snipers test rifles in real combat conditions, and the developer is already preparing mass production and sending finished products to the troops.



New designs


The development of new Lobaev Arms brand sniper systems became known this summer. The founder and head of the company, Vladislav Lobaev, spoke in an interview about work on a promising self-loading rifle chambered for .308 Win (7,62x51 mm). A weapon of this design has a number of advantages that would be useful to Russian snipers.

The new rifle was first shown in mid-September. By that time, she had reached the test, and a video of the shooting was published. It was reported that the rifle is built on the basis of the AR-15 system and is characterized by increased accuracy. In this case, a common rifle cartridge is used, which makes it possible to obtain a high range of fire and in this respect to surpass the existing mass weapons.

In early October, test firing was again shown. It is curious that this time the capabilities of the rifle were demonstrated far beyond the calculated ones. So, with an estimated firing range of up to 1000 m, the rifle fired experimentally at 1152 and 1430 m.


At the time of the first announcement, the project had the working title SMERSH, and the developers did not rule out the possibility of changing it. For example, in early October, V. Lobaev wrote in his blog about the possible renaming of the rifle to "Counter". As it became known later, in the end, both names went into business.

Weapons in the troops


November 1 RIA News announced the start of a new round of audits. From an unnamed informed source, the agency learned that a promising rifle from Lobaev Arms was transferred to one of the sniper units. The servicemen had to test it in the conditions of the training ground. In addition, it was planned to use in real combat conditions.

The source also said that the planned combat operation will affect the further fate of the rifle. Upon receipt of positive results, the product will go into series. At that time, it was at least an initial batch of 100 products.

V. Lobaev commented evasively on this news. He wrote that the company has not yet decided which of the rifles will be sent for testing in the army - and listed a few of the latest samples.

However, later the situation cleared up, and the information from RIA Novosti was actually confirmed. On December 3, the head of Lobaev Arms said that over the past few weeks, the SMERSH and Counter rifles have been tested in two sniper units. The news was accompanied by another video from the tests at the shooting range. It is curious that the name "Counter" was first used as the name of a specific product, moreover, not previously known.


On the basis of which units and subdivisions such tests were carried out, for obvious reasons, is not specified. In this case, the general results are indicated. So, one of the sniper units evaluated the rifles and chose the “Counter” product for themselves. The second at that time had not yet decided on the choice, but should have done it in the near future.

Information about production plans was also confirmed. The development company launched the assembly of an initial batch of 100 new rifles. The first products are already coming to parts.

Thus, over the past few months, Lobaev Arms has developed two sniper rifles at once, put them through tests, and is now starting production. It is noteworthy that SMERSH and Counter are her first developments in the field of self-loading rifles, but the lack of experience in general did not prevent new projects.

Technical features


Products "SMERSH" and "Counter" are semi-automatic high-precision rifles on the AR-15 platform, chambered for 7,62x51 mm NATO (.308 Win). Rifles have the most unified design and differ from each other only in the parameters of the barrel and the combat characteristics associated with them. At the same time, the difference in firing parameters is to position the two products as different rifles, and not modifications of the same project.

New domestic rifles retain all the characteristic features of the foreign platform. A receiver of two “receivers” is used, to which an elongated fore-end and a rear tube-casing of the return spring are attached. Probably, the automation based on the removal of gases with the supply directly to the shutter and the exhausted shutter group have been preserved. It also uses a standard hammer-type trigger mechanism with two-way controls.


Long range shooting

The SMERSH rifle is equipped with a 7,62 mm rifled barrel 500 mm long (65,6 klb). The recently shown "Counter" product receives a 600 mm (78,7 klb) barrel with a different thread pitch. In both cases, the barrels are threaded for mounting various muzzle devices. So, in published videos, rifles were equipped with a muzzle brake or silent / flameless firing devices.

Due to different barrels, two rifles show different combat characteristics. So, "SMERSH" with a 500-mm barrel provides estimated accuracy at ranges up to 1000 m. The longer barrel of the "Counter" allows you to get the same parameters at distances of more than 1 km. Both projects were faced with the task of obtaining accuracy at the level of 0,5 MOA.

The receiver and forearm of two rifles are equipped with a long Picatinny rail, which provides the installation of different types of sights. In addition, it is possible to replace the stock, pistol grip, etc. - as is the case with other systems based on the AR-15 platform.

Modern designs


The goal of the SMERSH and Counter projects was to create a modern high-precision semi-automatic rifle for various types of sniper work. In fact, we are talking about another attempt to create a replacement for the old and well-deserved SVD, the characteristics and capabilities of which no longer correspond to all emerging tasks. The need for a new generation of weapons was formed a long time ago, and since then new samples have been regularly offered.

Rifles of new models should occupy the same niches, but show higher performance. To solve this problem, several ideas of various kinds were used, from cartridge selection to technical design features. Judging by the results of the tests and reviews from the troops, the tasks were generally completed.


Two new rifles use the .308 Win cartridge. He was chosen based on the combination of technical characteristics and potential. Also contributed to its wide distribution and the presence of domestic production. Under such a cartridge, new barrels of different lengths were developed, allowing to maximize its potential.

For similar reasons, new projects used the off-the-shelf AR-15 platform. It is quite convenient, mastered in production by Russian enterprises and can be scaled to obtain the required parameters. In particular, such a scheme initially has proven automation and other mechanisms, which allows you to focus on other components.

Reportedly, the Counter and SMERSH rifles underwent a kind of military testing in different conditions, and some sniper units wished to adopt them. This fact says a lot about the new precision rifles; in fact, they were highly rated.

Everything for the troops


Thus, the domestic defense industry continues to develop new weapons systems of all major classes. Promising samples are regularly sent to the combat zone for testing and testing. This time we are talking about two new types of sniper rifles.

Reportedly, snipers have already tested the new SMERSH and Counter rifles, and also wished to get such weapons for full operation. What will happen next, time will tell. Perhaps new orders will appear, and the production of promising products will not be limited to an initial batch of hundreds of units.
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  1. +5
    December 13 2022
    On the AR-15 platform?! The cartridge is absolutely not common with us. I don't think it will spread.
    and some sniper units wished to adopt them.

    This is generally surprising. For some time now, individual units decide what they are armed with. And do we have separate sniper units, well, maybe in the FSO
    1. +16
      December 13 2022
      And in my opinion - this is pure PR!
      1. +1
        December 13 2022
        Quote: marchcat
        And in my opinion - this is pure PR!

        I support you for 10000000....%
        1. -4
          December 13 2022
          Why AR-15? What kind of admiration for the Western school?
          1. +1
            December 13 2022
            Quote: Civil
            Why AR-15? What kind of admiration for the Western school?

            Are you asking me? Where do I know from. So the developer decided so.
            1. +21
              December 13 2022
              Everything is simple. The developer needs accurate ammunition. Find us one.
              1. -10
                December 13 2022
                Quote: vadimtt
                Everything is simple. The developer needs accurate ammunition.

                How do weapons and ammunition work?
                Full of sniper weapons with high performance working according to other schemes.
                1. +2
                  December 17 2022
                  Quote: YOUR
                  How do weapons and ammunition work?

                  The SVD used, as a rule, an ordinary machine-gun cartridge, but even then, back in the USSR, normal snipers took away and even sorted out cartridges. It seems that they even counted powders. In any case, my brother told me about this, and he is my sniper, he also took Kabul as part of the Vitebsk division.
                  For a good sniper weapon, high-quality ammunition is needed, with an accurate weight distribution of gunpowder, a bullet that is impeccable in geometry and weight ... Such ammunition is made separately. So if they took a proven imported cartridge as a basis, if they accept rifles to supply the army, then they will also launch the release of special sniper ammunition.
                  1. 0
                    December 18 2022
                    Quote: bayard
                    The SVD used, as a rule, an ordinary machine-gun cartridge

                    What does this have to do with how weapons work?
                    And we have special sniper cartridges, it will probably be easier to find them than 7,62x51 mm NATO (.308 Win). Capture the enemy? Isn't it funny? Make the work of a sniper dependent on trophies. And what about capturing the same machine-gun cartridges only of the NATO type.
                    1. +2
                      December 18 2022
                      In general, Lobaev made rifles for sports shooting and for export, his native MO definitely did not indulge him with orders. And since the product was being prepared for export, then the ammunition should be available and widespread there.
                      And now these rifles are offered by the MO.
                      Also :
                      Quote: Bad_gr
                      Cartridge 7.62x51 GOST 21169-75
                      Serially produced since 1974.

                      Left 7,62x51, right 7,62x54

                      https://www.air-gun.ru/patrony-308-win
                      1. 0
                        December 18 2022
                        The rifle that is in the pictures cannot be combat. This is a sport weapon. The combat design is designed so that it does not cling to anything, it does not pick up dirt. With the one in the picture only shoot at the shooting range, but not in combat conditions.
                      2. +3
                        December 18 2022
                        Quote: YOUR
                        With the one in the picture only shoot at the shooting range, but not in combat conditions.

                        Yes, and I think that there is still work to be done on the upgrade of these rifles, what to turn into military weapons. In the meantime, just testing / trial operation in the troops. And then corrections, taking into account all the comments and wishes of users.
                      3. 0
                        March 4 2023
                        iPhone from the world of rifles.
                        Expensive, stupid, depending on the West and in their style.
                    2. 0
                      January 29 2023
                      The attitude to the scheme of the weapon is the most direct, because the domestic full-size 7,62 x 54R has a sleeve with a rim. It seems that he alone remained so massive that it creates a headache for our designers of magazine weapons.
              2. +10
                December 13 2022
                Quote: Civil
                Why AR-15?
                I can assume that hunting rifles are produced on the basis of the AR-15, and it is possible that the Lobaev company will take over the manufacture of barrels and the most important parts for accuracy of rifles, and the assembly will be carried out at facilities where the production of the trigger part has already been mastered, etc.
                https://stmarms.su/ar (Союз-ТМ)
                https://charlifox.ru/2018/12/05/karabin-ar-15-ot-rossiyskoy-kompanii-for-6/ («Форт»)
                1. +13
                  December 13 2022
                  Quote: YOUR
                  The cartridge is absolutely not common with us. I don't think it will spread.
                  Cartridge 7.62x51 GOST 21169-75
                  Serially produced since 1974.

                  Left 7,62x51, right 7,62x54

                  https://www.air-gun.ru/patrony-308-win
          2. IVZ
            +9
            December 13 2022
            Why AR-15? What kind of admiration for the Western school?
            The point is in the available components and blank parts (Turkish, Arabic, Chinese, Russian). Almost every weapons manufacturer, including Russian ones, makes a clone of the Arka. As a base for high-precision weapons, it is quite suitable. Yes, the Arches do not pass tests according to our Russian methods and cannot be officially adopted by the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, but they have their advantages, an alternative to which the domestic manufacturer has not yet created.
            1. 0
              March 4 2023
              A rake with a foreign kit?
              There was just a FAT hint (that parade of the embargo pathetically called sanctions) that this is not necessary.
          3. +9
            December 13 2022
            Well, maybe because the peculiarity of AR is that the position of the butt line is on the same line with the line of the barrel? And therefore, the vertical toss of the weapon when fired for such an arrangement is lower than for assault rifles with a difference in the location of the butt line and the barrel line. And what snipers and "Marksmen" need is right, the barrel is more precise and with less recoil.
            So I don’t see anything wrong, in the cartridge too. It is better suited for accurate, aimed shooting at long distances. Yes, it is not very common in our country, but some private organizations still produce it. And it is quite possible to organize larger production on their basis. Although it is better, of course, to use a single nomenclature of ammunition throughout the army.
            1. +5
              December 13 2022
              The 7,62x51 cartridge is made at all cartridge factories in the country, at least advertising testifies to this.
          4. +11
            December 13 2022
            Quote: Civil
            Why AR-15? What kind of admiration for the Western school?

            This gas exhaust system allows you to combine the vector of the recoil momentum when fired with the axis of the bore, which has a positive effect on maintaining the pointing of the weapon after the shot. Plus, perhaps, a reduction in the mass of moving parts. For a sniper rifle, especially for an automatic one, this is important.
          5. +6
            December 14 2022
            There is no worship here. Widespread reliable platform.
          6. +3
            December 14 2022
            And you offer another platform, you probably also have a plant. Produce an installation batch on your platform and transfer to the troops.
          7. 0
            December 16 2022
            Quote: Civil
            Why AR-15

            The shutter is of small mass, with the center of gravity almost on the axis of the bore.
            Shutter damper, also linear
            Stock on the axis of the barrel
            A huge assortment of any sniper body kit.
            The possibility of export - which will give money to improve production.
            Quote: Civil
            admiration for the Western school?

            Because there are 330 million people in the United States who have an unlimited right to own weapons, improve them, invent new ones, and so on. And already 250 years. This body of knowledge is important, and we must take the best. For this to happen in the Russian Federation, an amendment to the constitution is needed, similar to the Second in the United States, plus climate change to subtropical.
            1. 0
              March 4 2023
              If "everything is ready there" - what are these "SMERSH" castaways for when it's "AR-15 in body kit"?
        2. 0
          February 9 2023
          Can't you say anything better?
      2. +2
        December 13 2022
        Quote: marchcat
        And in my opinion - this is pure PR!

        This very "PR" at the front shows better results than the "Orthodox" AK-12.
        1. +2
          December 14 2022
          I slapped you with a minus for comparing the Marxman rifle and the assault rifle (AK-12).
    2. +6
      December 13 2022
      I don’t remember now, but in the summer I read somewhere that the most productive sniper at that time was a shooter from Buryatia with a captured dill rifle. And he got some ammo from somewhere.
      1. +10
        December 13 2022
        Considered one of the most productive snipers, the Finn Häyhä Simo fired from a mosquito without a scope. You can name more than a dozen of our snipers who either approached the Finn or bypassed him and all as one shot from a mosquito.
        1. +8
          December 13 2022
          As expected, the minusers poked around here, and I even found an article. In early August, Sladkov published a post in the telegram channel dedicated to one of the most productive snipers in the NWO, Buryat. According to a war correspondent, the Russian sniper uses a Ukrainian-made Zbroyar VPR.338LM rifle, which he obtained by eliminating an enemy sniper.
          1. +1
            December 13 2022
            I read about it and there is a video report from Sladkov. But it just doesn't say anything.
          2. +4
            December 13 2022
            Rifles Zbroyar Z-008 are designed and manufactured by a small private company "Zbroyar" from Ukraine. The company was founded in 2006 and has its own production of high-precision rifles, located near Kiev. The design of the Zbroyar Z-008 rifle was created by Konstantin Konev (the creator of the SVK rifle). Rifles Zbroyar Z-008 are produced "to order" in the widest range of modifications and calibers, for long-range hunting, high-precision sports shooting (including benchrest). They can also be used as sniper weapons. For all Zbroyar Z-008 rifles, accuracy of fire is guaranteed no worse than 0.5 MOA (minute of arc) at 100 meters, in reality, in the hands of a trained shooter, some rifles of this line can show accuracy up to 0.15 MOA (subject to the use of appropriate cartridges and other components).

            A small company, it turns out Ukrainian Lobaev. The rifle is not the most common. I would say single instances.
            1. +1
              December 14 2022
              Under the order piece make private traders.
              For the army, Zbroyar has mass production in fairly large batches of rifles of various types, for example
              On November 8, 2019, Colonel Vladislav Shostak, a representative of the Department of Military-Technical Policy, Development of Weapons and Military Equipment of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, said that in 2019, the troops received about 600 UAR-10 and UAR-008 sniper rifles[11].
          3. 0
            March 4 2023
            What is this talking about?
            Maybe it's a fighter thing.
            And if it comes to that - the best sniper is a tank.
        2. 0
          December 13 2022
          Quote: YOUR
          Considered one of the most productive snipers, the Finn Häyhä Simo fired from a mosquito without a scope. You can name more than a dozen of our snipers who either approached the Finn or bypassed him and all as one shot from a mosquito.

          And all this in Ukraine in our time? after all, it is written about a military operation
      2. 0
        December 14 2022
        Also a trophy))))))))))))))))))))))))
    3. +3
      December 13 2022
      Quote: YOUR
      The cartridge is absolutely not common with us

      But finding a quality match is not a question, otherwise we still have target cartridges almost by eye.
      In short, not from a good life, and snipers don’t need a lot of cartridges ... Although it’s still a fucking minus for the army, because it won’t join the army anyway.
      And when will we finally stop spanking 120 variants, for example, PP, and will deal with cartridges that are still produced according to the standards of the beginning of the last century ?!
      1. +8
        December 13 2022
        Quote from Bingo
        snipers don't need a lot of ammo...

        That's it. It is not profitable for the industry to produce them. Where the wagon will use up ordinary cartridges, the sniper box is not full.
        Back in the 60s, the 7N1 cartridge was developed, but try to find it, I'm not writing about the 7N14 armor-piercing sniper. Produced in small series. So small that in warehouses you can find cartridges from the 40s, but these will not be.
        1. +8
          December 13 2022
          I confirm. I have never seen sniper cartridges in my entire service life. As even shooters from Kalashnikov do not see them.
      2. +1
        December 13 2022
        Quote from Bingo
        Quote: YOUR
        The cartridge is absolutely not common with us

        But finding a quality match is not a question, otherwise we still have target cartridges almost by eye.
        In short, not from a good life, and snipers don’t need a lot of cartridges ... Although it’s still a fucking minus for the army, because it won’t join the army anyway.
        And when will we finally stop spanking 120 variants, for example, PP, and will deal with cartridges that are still produced according to the standards of the beginning of the last century ?!

        Yes, and high-quality, match (imported) almost all swept away. At flea markets they sell from hands at wild prices.
    4. +1
      December 13 2022
      everything is simple - the NATO seven is common with the enemy + it’s easier to get high-precision cartridges, while our 7,62 has certain problems with accuracy .. Yes, and Lobaev is a private trader. Here the question needs to be raised to our cartridge manufacturers when it changes the quality of our sniper cartridges .
      1. +2
        December 14 2022
        Never, they are not interested in them and so it will do. Only private traders will produce sniper cartridges and everyone except the MO will buy them.
        1. +1
          December 14 2022
          they will produce if there is a specific order and a specific order to improve the quality .. relatively "they won't buy" - be surprised, but when the MO wants to buy from everyone, the question is different, that private traders cannot meet the needs of the MO
          1. +1
            December 15 2022
            And what is the need of the Ministry of Defense when buying sniper ammunition? I thought it was accuracy. It is logical to buy 1000 exact bp. than 10000 g ... on. And just private traders will give the necessary accuracy, unattainable in mass production.
            1. -1
              December 15 2022
              and the army just needs 10 rounds of ammunition in a specific caliber, Now it’s 000 mm, not NATO’s 12.7 .. Regarding the cartridges, I wrote what needs to be done above.
              1. 0
                December 15 2022
                Well, yes, they will buy, otherwise the whole world is throwing off for mavics and teploki, and recently they all raked out thermal socks, probably the Ministry of Defense
                1. -2
                  December 15 2022
                  Well .. tomorrow the MO went and bought all the 308 caliber cartridges from the manufacturers .. and what to do with them? At best, we have 100 rifles of this caliber for the whole army, and then 2/3 are trophies and weapons of special forces of the Special Forces control level FSB .. and the fighters need high-precision 7,62 R ... and private traders don’t make them. In fact, if we want to solve the problem, it’s easier to order a mass purchase of rifles in caliber 338 lapua magnum, since there are cartridges and due to the caliber itself, accuracy on 1 000-1 500 is easier to provide, and there are already a couple of rifles for this caliber
    5. +1
      December 13 2022
      You don’t follow the news. In the summer there was a message that the Armed Forces of Ukraine, namely foreign mercenaries, use the tactics of sniper units. In response to this, ours began to create their own. The first were the Pacific Fleet marines. Moreover, the result, according to the characteristics of the fighters themselves, is not bad and allows you to knock out enemy snipers (ours went a little further and attracted mortars)
    6. +1
      December 15 2022
      Each sniper decides what to do with him, but this is at his own expense, they have repeatedly chipped in for both optics and teploki, targeted at specific units.
    7. 0
      December 15 2022
      Well, as you wanted, we have cartridges in 3 calibers, there is nothing more modern and is not expected ..
      About these surrogates from Arch, I just want to add that if they were still with a short piston stroke, then one could dream, with the removal of gases - not serious ..
    8. 0
      January 12 2023
      What makes you think that the 308 Win cartridge is not common in the Russian army?
    9. 0
      January 17 2023
      Under 308 win, the AR-10 platform is all pure amateur performance, no one in our country will accept this caliber and this platform out of principle.
    10. 0
      February 5 2023
      Quote: YOUR
      On the AR-15 platform?! The cartridge is absolutely not common with us. I don't think it will spread.
      and some sniper units wished to adopt them.

      This is generally surprising. For some time now, individual units decide what they are armed with. And do we have separate sniper units, well, maybe in the FSO

      Why not? Some people even buy optics and rifles at their own expense. Maybe they were asked after the tests if they want such rifles? By the way, I don’t think that Lobaev will do all 100 pieces at his own expense. He still has a commercial enterprise. it is necessary either to open funding through the Ministry of Defense or through donations
    11. 0
      April 27 2023
      Already working for the whole on "counters" and "antimatter" laughing All is cool! I'm on vacation tongue
      https://youtu.be/YC0RVeCJnnA
  2. +5
    December 13 2022
    it’s better to have such a “PR” than to exhibit Chinese quadrocopters with their emblem ...
  3. +3
    December 13 2022
    I don’t see something unique domestic development for a regular, accepted for service, cartridge!
    1. Hog
      +4
      December 13 2022
      Well, first try to find a cartridge, but there are no problems with rifles. What is suitable for a machine gun, not a rifle. Therefore, the Lobaevites want to switch to NATO with it and there are fewer problems and easier production (Lobaev himself is going to make cartridges, since no one else has deigned for so long), and you won’t find our sniper cartridges during the day with fire.
      PS: So let it be better to have a NATO cartridge from which you can get hit than ours, which fly into milk. Plus, the supplier will be easier in terms of the fact that it is immediately clear for whom 7.62 * 51 go.
      PPS: The rifle will most likely go to the National Guard.
      1. 0
        February 5 2023
        Quote: Hog
        Well, first try to find a cartridge, but there are no problems with rifles. What is suitable for a machine gun, not a rifle. Therefore, the Lobaevites want to switch to NATO with it and there are fewer problems and easier production (Lobaev himself is going to make cartridges, since no one else has deigned for so long), and you won’t find our sniper cartridges during the day with fire.
        PS: So let it be better to have a NATO cartridge from which you can get hit than ours, which fly into milk. Plus, the supplier will be easier in terms of the fact that it is immediately clear for whom 7.62 * 51 go.
        PPS: The rifle will most likely go to the National Guard.

        Why does the National Guard need sniper rifles?
    2. 0
      December 14 2022
      And she is not. On their own initiative, Kalashnikov or ZiD will not produce anything revolutionary, it will still be either Kalash or RPD, well, at the extreme SVD.
      1. -1
        December 15 2022
        Quote: Pivot
        well, to the extreme SVD.

        "to the extreme" SVD still holds the record for the farthest confirmed hit in a caliber of less than 8mm. Sergeant Vladimir Ilyin, in 1985, in Afghanistan, 1350 meters, SVD 7,62x54, cartridge yes 7N1.
        At 308 caliber (7,62x51) the record is 100 meters less. From the bolt gun Rem 700 (or M24) 2005, Iraq.
        1. 0
          December 15 2022
          Ah, well then, yes, if there is a record, then for another 50 years you will not see a new rifle in the Moscow Region.
          1. 0
            December 15 2022
            Quote: Pivot
            for another 50 years, you won’t see a new rifle in the Moscow Region.

            It is set that the Moscow Region will not see "Precise barrels" for another 50 years, without which any "precise" ammunition on any platform will fly away in two minutes. An accurate barrel is massively a little harder to make than an accurate cartridge.
            1. 0
              December 15 2022
              Weapon systems will make an accurate barrel, just pay money.
              1. +1
                December 15 2022
                Quote: Pivot
                Weapon systems will make an accurate barrel, just pay money.

                Grandma yes. But who is the mass "producer" in the Russian Federation?
                Anyway. Amers have an M110 sniper rifle, (based on AP10 - this is what this article suggests) Requirements for its accuracy are 1,27 MOA with an M118LR cartridge.
                The requirement for SVD is 1,04 MOA (with a 320 twist), 1,24 minutes (with a 240 twist) with a 7N1 cartridge.
                The weight of the SVD body kit is about 1 kg lighter than the M110.
                Another nuance - nothing is new under the sun. Reliability.....
                The M110 system was taken over by US troops in 2008. In 2016, they abandoned it because ... well, often it refused at the right time ... with heavy use. Well, the Americans do not want to be without a sniper when the delivery shoulder is at least 50 kilometers and only by air, and an intense battle can last from half an hour or more.
    3. 0
      January 17 2023
      Microwave 7,62x54R it is also available in caliber 308win
  4. +1
    December 13 2022
    The title of the article does not match the content. Here, after all, it is not a tabloid newspaper, where the main thing is to intrigue the headline.
  5. +1
    December 13 2022
    At the time of the first announcement, the project had the working title SMERSH, and the developers did not rule out the possibility of changing it. For example, in early October, V. Lobaev wrote in his blog about the possible renaming of the rifle to "Counter". As it became known later, in the end, both names went into business.
  6. -4
    December 13 2022
    Do we produce ammunition with increased penetration bullets in 7.62x51? No. And why then these products are needed in the Army? Just curious how this modification of the AR-10 (AR-15 is coming in 5.56) will be better than the SVD-M?
    Lobaev has always lived and lives in his own world. Painter. He does what he wants, not what he needs to.
    1. +10
      December 13 2022
      Lobaev has always lived and lives in his own world. Painter. He does what he wants, not what he needs to.
      Rather not an artist, but a businessman. And he does not what he wants, but what he can. You don't think that the Kalashnikov lobbyists will allow someone to produce rifles based on their models? At best, they will block access to components, and at worst, they will simply squeeze out a successful sample and start producing them themselves. Does Lobaev need it? So, based on this condition, he chose a platform that will definitely not intersect with the Kalashnikov. It’s better to toil with the Arch, all of a sudden something will come out, than it’s guaranteed not to get anything in the end except for the maximum installation batch. Pure business, nothing personal.
  7. +6
    December 13 2022
    1) "New domestic rifles ..." They are not and will not be!
    2) "Thus, the domestic defense industry ..." Who are they? I do not know such. Lobaev & Co. is a private business. Lobaev himself earns money like all businessmen and does good advertising right at the front. No complaints. I myself am disgusted to read about our military-industrial complex on this site and not only. And about those who work, I'm glad to read. Even patriotic stormy orgasms at the expense of the American platform will not overcome me. I'm glad that the guys at the front have the weapons they need. In the direction of the rest, I can spit without shame. The author, of course, is either well done, or attaches other people's merits to the state. If I hadn’t written about the military-industrial complex, they would have said that advertising ... The moral of this fable is this ... The guys at the front are provided thanks to the people and business. Thank them very much! May God grant you health and success in life and business.
    1. 0
      December 13 2022
      And here, unfortunately, you are completely right. Moreover, here our military-industrial complex and the Lobaev company are not clear. This is the same with armored cars from Kadyrov.
    2. 0
      December 14 2022
      Quote from: GRAFIN_32
      "New domestic rifles ..." They are not and will not be!

      And whose rifle will Chukavin be?
      Quote from: GRAFIN_32
      The moral of this fable is this... The guys at the front are provided for thanks to the people and business.

      I've heard about this moral somewhere before .... smile And, I remembered this fable - "The Soviet people won the Second World War, despite the bloody Stalin and his butcher Zhukov." Do you seriously think that volunteers are able to provide everything necessary for a group of half a million people? Yes, they help in any way they can, but in principle they are simply not up to the task of providing for the army.
  8. +3
    December 13 2022
    and whose and what optics will be used on these new sniper rifles? Somehow the rifle in the article is outlined from the butt to the muzzle and cartridges, but not a word about optics.
    1. +4
      December 13 2022
      The plank is there. There are a lot of sights for 1-1.5 km and the price is not biting. But this is not for the Ministry of Defense. Experienced snipers will find what to put. The main thing is that the guys work. And it’s so stupid to supply rifles of this type without a kit.
      1. -2
        December 13 2022
        In general, I have doubts that experienced people remember how to shoot at jackdaws, all at military points laughing
    2. 0
      December 15 2022
      What optics, what do you think? Well, hardly from Swarovski ...
  9. -8
    December 13 2022
    Poor AR-ku did not swear unless lazy, and now, it turns out, they want it for service. laughing
    Damn survived. What's next? - we are waiting for the Penguins in the videoconferencing ... fellow
    Z.Y. Seriously though, this sounds like a publicity stunt.
    1. +5
      December 13 2022
      Well, yes. After all, this is not a fast copy of the Western. After all, we only need to supply analogues. And hats - more hats to throw everything.
      But seriously, Lobaevsky rifles are praised and spoke well of them even BEFORE SVO. And do not care what the scheme is - the main thing is the result.
  10. 0
    December 13 2022
    Quote from Bingo
    But finding a quality match is not a question, otherwise we still have target cartridges almost by eye.

    Quite right. The choice of ammunition in this case is due to the presence of high-quality bullets. It is much more difficult to get bullets under our .311 caliber than under NATO .308, but we don’t know how to produce our own. The capacity of the store in this case has nothing to do with it. 10 rounds and the SVDshny store is quite roomy, and you don’t need more for a sniper rifle.
    And the choice of platform is justified. With all the advantages of the SVD, NO modifications will be able to make a high-precision weapon out of self-loading with a long piston stroke.
    PS By the way, I still hope that a piston with a short stroke is used in the automation of Lobaev's products. The mechanism with direct exhaust of gases to the shutter is painfully capricious.
    1. +2
      December 13 2022
      Quote: KSVK
      With all the advantages of SVD, NO modifications can be made from self-loading long stroke precision weapon.
      The SVD has a short piston stroke.
    2. 0
      January 31 2023
      The piston begins to noticeably move only after the bullet leaves the barrel, how can it affect the accuracy of a single shot?
  11. +1
    December 13 2022
    AR15 seems to be under 5,56 × 45 mm. 7,62x51 is it AR10 or am I wrong?
  12. 0
    December 13 2022
    Where and who produces normal .308-caliber sniper cartridges for the RF Armed Forces? Not a lead "pea" in a brass or tombac sheath, but a full-fledged bullet with a steel core, armor-piercing or increased penetration? Yes, and for a sane price, and not 1000 rubles / piece or more, like the cartridges of the PFO line? Or is it proposed to shoot with Russian-made commercial ammunition? Then where will these rifles get "high-precision" from?
    The author of the article seems to be a freelance advertising agent for Lobaev Arms, only not very competent)
  13. 0
    December 13 2022
    You get the hang of picking grass and clay out of the casing.
  14. AB
    0
    December 13 2022
    Surprised by the platform. Of course, I don’t understand anything about this, but perhaps the manufacturer is looking primarily at the Western market, where they will turn their noses up less from ARok (and somewhere it will be a plus at all). And it distributes to ours for testing and what would potential buyers then say that it was tested in battle. Well, who knows, maybe later the Ministry of Defense will buy a batch.
  15. 0
    December 13 2022
    "The head of Lobaev Arms said that over the past few weeks, the SMERSH and Counter rifles have been tested in two sniper units."

    The author of the article is illiterate and does not understand the meaning of some words. According to him, the rifle "was approved for several weeks", was not tested, not checked, but simply approved, in appearance, probably ...

    Approbation (Latin approbatio - approval, recognition). Official approval issued on the basis of a test, verification.
  16. +5
    December 13 2022
    Quote: vadimtt

    vadimtt
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    +9
    Everything is simple. The developer needs accurate ammunition. Find us one


    Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye.
    The weapon is "built" around the cartridge (in most cases).
    Unfortunately, with high-quality sniper ammo, we are not doing very well.

    Lobaev does a great job, and does not sweep with his tongue.
    It produces weapons not at public expense.

    Only the lazy did not spit him.
    They mumbled with checks, etc.
  17. +1
    December 13 2022
    Quote: Bad_gr
    The SVD has a short piston stroke.

    Agreed, flared up, was wrong. But in any case, the Stoner platform structurally allows you to build more accurate turns than the Degtyarev platform.
    1. +2
      December 13 2022
      Quote: KSVK
      Stoner platform constructively allows you to build more accurate coils
      It is sometimes reworked for a short piston stroke. Even tuning kits for this case are released (upper version):

      Quote: KSVK
      But in any case, the Stoner platform structurally allows you to build more accurate coils than Degtyarev platform.
      Eugene Dragunovif we compare with SVD.
      1. 0
        December 16 2022
        And with these kits, both the toss and the removal of the barrel immediately appear. Of course, less than in AK, but still physics cannot be deceived.
  18. -3
    December 13 2022
    Lobaev? A good rifle for the price of ... a tank? ..
  19. +1
    December 13 2022
    The SMERSH rifle is equipped with a 7,62 mm rifled barrel 500 mm long (65,6 klb). The recently shown "Counter" product receives a 600 mm (78,7 klb) barrel with a different thread pitch. In both cases, the barrels are threaded to accommodate various muzzle devices.

    One AR 15 platform with barrels of different lengths and different rifling pitches, what is revolutionary here? An army sniper should have a universal rifle with various interchangeable barrels, at least two:
    - a short "assault" barrel 400-450 mm long for operation at 400-600 m (fights in the city).
    - long sniper barrel 600-650mm for work at a distance of 600-1000 m.

    To defeat enemy manpower at a distance of more than 1000m protected by bulletproof vests of class 5-6, much more powerful ammunition is needed, why the Moscow Region does not massively purchase sniper rifles in .338LM caliber and does not establish their mass production along with ammunition, the question is empty ...
    These rifles have a mass of 5-7 kg and are many times more mobile than the one and a half meter "monsters" of the ASVK type with a caliber of 12,7 weighing 10-12 kg.
  20. +1
    December 13 2022
    What has not been created and announced about the creation, testing, as well as about "soon acceptance into service" ..... And look at real footage from the NVO zone or just from the Army - all SVD rifles (not even SVD-M !!! ) and PM pistols! negative hi
    1. 0
      December 15 2022
      Simple reliable and no problems with the cartridge
  21. +1
    December 13 2022
    "Lobaev Arms has developed two sniper rifles over the past few months"
    Hmm ... War is the real engine of progress ...
  22. +1
    December 13 2022
    Quote: Bad_gr
    It is sometimes reworked for a short piston stroke. Even tuning kits for this matter are released

    Well, there are quite a lot of serial samples like Heckler und Koch model HK416 / 417
    Quote: Bad_gr

    Eugene Dragunovif we compare with SVD.

    Well, of course, Dragunov. feel
  23. 0
    December 14 2022
    Quote: Tarasios
    War is the real engine of progress...

    Screw different trunks to the standard AR15 platform, what is the invention here?
  24. 0
    December 14 2022
    They came up with a lot, there is nothing to fight. In exactly the same way they came up with a harness for a horse. Everything is very beautiful, pleasing to the eye. It is a pity that such a horse has not yet been invented for this harness.
  25. +1
    December 14 2022
    I think that the main task is a serial self-loading rifle with good accuracy. In the West, they do it (based on the AR-15), and Lobaev makes more piece samples and trunks are made from grooved pipes that they buy in the same USA. .308 is a quality gross sniper cartridge today. In terms of quality in the Russian Federation, neither caliber 7,62x54 nor .308 are made yet.
    By the way, in caliber 5,56 there are similar rifles with a heavy barrel and they have similar ballistics and range.
  26. 0
    December 15 2022
    It's amazing how in such a short time they made a new system with a heap high for an automatic machine, this company commands the utmost respect. Apparently, many do not quite understand the choice of cartridge, as the owner of 308. , it’s not always possible to buy, plus I need to use a cartridge of the same production, who will supply it to the front line?
  27. 0
    December 19 2022
    Well done Lobaev!
    He stirred up the Noviope swamp of the military-industrial complex in his area.
  28. +1
    December 20 2022
    The NATO 7,62 cartridge is not in service with the Russian army. Yes, SVD is also more preferable with "their own" cartridges. With which the AR-15 will definitely not be able to work. But, if necessary, a sniper can also use an ordinary Russian rifle cartridge, borrowing them from machine gunners and armored vehicle crews. To have on supply TWO cartridges similar in their characteristics, the main differences between which are the quality of workmanship (which in Russian production is unlikely to be higher than that of the Russian "sniper" 7,62x53R) and the presence of a rim, seems to be overkill.
    Again, the question arises, why then the microwave? And do you really need semi-automatic when shooting over 1000 meters? And is .308 Win so effective for this?
    I understand that Mr. Lobaev does not want to be particularly "tricky". But it does not hurt to remember the history of the 7,62 NATO cartridge, which is actually a parody of an intermediate cartridge, and not ammunition specially created for sniper weapons.
  29. 0
    December 24 2022
    An interesting option. But why does the RF Armed Forces have weapons on a foreign platform and for foreign ammunition? Are there none of yours?
  30. 0
    January 8 2023
    I just can’t understand why the SVD is so annoying. It seems that it’s simply impossible to shoot from the SVD. Of course, if you try to use it as a special weapon, then in this version it couldn’t have been such before, but let’s say a trench rifle is an excellent weapon in my opinion. A light, powerful cartridge, easy to maintain, unpretentious, fairly accurate at relatively short distances, a 10 cartridge can in some cases create a good density of fire for a few seconds, but what is 5-10 seconds, say, in an extreme situation, I think it’s not worth explaining. Maybe it just needs to be upgraded? Only without fanaticism. These are just thoughts out loud without pretensions to an opinion, rather a question.
  31. 0
    January 12 2023
    I completely agree with those who write about the PR of the described product. What do we have here? We have a product (to call it an "invention" language does not turn) on the AR-15 platform. Simply put, based on the American M16. For complete happiness, there is not enough cartridge rammer (in any case, I did not see it in the photo). The purpose of the article is simple as a crowbar: to push the product into the masses)) .. For, a new barrel was screwed to the receiver of this same AR-15. And to pay tribute to Lobaev, his trunks are super !!! Therefore, the caliber is NATO, because the whole mechanism is not ours, but in our arsenal, so far, the cartridges are not NATO. The arguments of the supporters of the caliber 7,62x51 are known to all. Under the cartridge 7,62x54 "sniper" Lobaev does not make trunks. By the way, his prices are scrap, they would be democratic, I would order a barrel for my hunting carbine KO 91/30) ... "Hammer" re-barreled, and then his "raw materials" ran out) ... I paid attention to the trunk of the product, it from stainless steel - this is Lobaev's crown (as I understand it) and his trunks of the highest quality, there is nothing to say here. You can’t put such a barrel on the SVD, this is a violation of copyright, modern designers can invent something new and original "on the platform" of the SVD. So we climb all sorts of imported "platforms". And the last. My personal opinion: this product will not go into production, it does not even have an open sight, and without optics, what to do with such a gun on the battlefield? We always have NEW weapons made under the cartridge. Cartridge. according to the developers, we have -7,62x54 sniper, but there is nothing new for it. Only irreplaceable SVD. oh, and a trinity. By the way, what will happen if Lobaev drills a barrel 73 cm long from a stainless steel to it?)) What a mine suggests that such a barrel will not withstand 20 shots, and this is the maximum shot of a mosquito)) ... But here's what I'm sure of, this barrel from Lobaev will push everyone, and very far away. A lot happened, but these PR people got it ... either "Microwave", then "Smersh", then all sorts of "Counters", but the output is zilch!
  32. 0
    January 17 2023
    Well done Lobaev! Keep it up!
    While the couch "experts" here are outraged about the use of a foreign scheme, he gives our guys weapons that can destroy the enemy! And believe me, the fighter doesn't care who made his rifle, the main thing is the result.
    Everyone forgets that Lobaev & Co is a PRIVATE company!!!! While the Ministry of Defense draws beautiful reports and reports to the Supreme, the Army is armed, equipped, supplied with medicine through the help of volunteers, and mostly at its own expense.
  33. 0
    January 18 2023
    SKS with a 520mm barrel can also shoot calmly up to 1000m, only the cartridge is weak .... If they would develop separate ammunition for hunting in other cartridges, and not unfinished army ones, then there would be plenty to choose from .. Now either nothing, or Lobaev .. The arch is good because you need a CNC machine and take trunks somewhere .. Minimum production .. For AK, everything is more difficult ..
  34. 0
    January 24 2023
    I’m reading: “Probably, automation based on gas exhaust with supply directly to the shutter and a worked-out bolt group was saved ... Isn’t that why that crap from the M16 on the right side, referred to as the shutter rammer, is saved, well, this is when the shutter starts to wedge due to- for soot from powder gases? The article is clearly advertising-custom. And the last. Have we really adopted the 7,72x51 cartridge?
    1. 0
      February 4 2023
      Isn’t that why that crap from the M16 on the right side, referred to as the shutter rammer, is saved, well, is it when the shutter starts to wedge due to soot from powder gases?


      No. With it, in general, a separate and very long story (as well as with the M16 in general), but in practice, none of the users could remember that it would have been used at least once.

      Well, all manufacturers not aimed at the US Armed Forces leave this part out of inertia and for the unification of production.
  35. 0
    January 29 2023
    As the owner of .308, I would like to know about the supply of this caliber in the Armed Forces.
  36. 0
    February 3 2023
    Based on the name of the company in the English way and the chosen platform, this company works for the Western market and they are "up to the lamp of your problems." And "testing in battle" is a free help that turned up successfully (later they will announce in the advertisement about the full approbation)! NOTHING PERSONAL, THIS IS BUSINESS!
    1. 0
      February 5 2023
      Quote: Cartridge
      Based on the name of the company in the English way and the chosen platform, this company works for the Western market and they are "up to the lamp of your problems." And "testing in battle" is a free help that turned up successfully (later they will announce in the advertisement about the full approbation)! NOTHING PERSONAL, THIS IS BUSINESS!

      This business supplies its rifles to the front. It's better to do something than nothing
  37. 0
    February 9 2023
    Thus, the domestic defense industry continues to develop new weapons systems of all major classes. Promising samples are regularly sent to the combat zone for testing and testing. This time we are talking about two new types of sniper rifles.

    Well, actually Lobaev and the defense industry are somewhat different things. And the state does not really help Lobaev, alas! And even sticks in the wheels strives to insert. How "characteristic" this is for our bureaucratic system... And it's regrettable!

    But if it weren’t for his rifles, it’s not known how our snipers would have answered Western rifles in the NWO, despite the fact that, I emphasize, “usual” working range of sniper shooting - 2000 m+ (!!)

    I would like to say THANK YOU to Vladislav Evgenievich Lobaev and all his faithful associates for their selfless work, unique successes and true patriotism!
    And of course - the successful promotion of its new, so necessary, self-loading rifles!

    As for the cartridges, the Lobaev Arms company produces them itself. Bullets are machined on precision equipment entirely from copper rod and meet all stringent requirements. Equipment - in ordinary sleeves acc. weighing accuracy and brand of gunpowder.

    PS It is disappointing that in this thread there are a number of spiteful critics who speak impartially on the merits of the discussion.
    I think we should be proud of the fact that Lobaev raised the banner of the national weapons school of sniper weapons to the highest world level!
  38. -2
    March 4 2023
    Here they write why, yes, why worship like the West ...
    Why did you use Arch...
    Damn, did you hold the ARK in your hands ??? Did you shoot it???
    I remember my surprise when I picked up the M16 - damn it was so convenient to hold and aim it !!
    Our AK is resting!
    I remember I started shooting - so the shooting results were significantly better than from AK.
    If every shot from the AK is perceived as work, then shooting from the M16 was an order of magnitude easier !! Just rest after AK.
    And the most important thing is that you take the M16 in your hands and for some reason you start to take a stance convenient for aimed shooting.
  39. 0
    March 4 2023
    on the AR-15 platform,

    That is, they mold their nameplates and body kits (not their own) on the AR-15 and "mom, I'm a GUNSHER!"?
    It is not surprising that they are promoting them like that iPhone, the same swindle.
    1. 0
      April 22 2023
      In principle, it is possible that opera 6 lover and barrels are ordered, and then all this is assembled ... somewhere on the knee ... BUT, there is a BUT .. since there are quite a few manufacturers in .308 caliber, it is unlikely that it will be possible to agree on compliance operas and lovers .... Private owners have prices for operas starting at $ 1000
  40. 0
    April 27 2023
    Quote from Segun11
    Already working for the whole on "counters" and "antimatter" laughing All is cool! I'm on vacation tongue
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