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SMERSH and Counter sniper rifles are delivered to the troops

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SMERSH and Counter sniper rifles are delivered to the troops
Early prototype "SMERSH" on trials



Russian snipers participating in a special military operation have received a new weapon and test it in practice. Lobaev Arms provided them with newly developed semi-automatic rifles "SMERSH" and "Counter". Snipers test rifles in real combat conditions, and the developer is already preparing mass production and sending finished products to the troops.

New designs


The development of new Lobaev Arms brand sniper systems became known this summer. The founder and head of the company, Vladislav Lobaev, spoke in an interview about work on a promising self-loading rifle chambered for .308 Win (7,62x51 mm). A weapon of this design has a number of advantages that would be useful to Russian snipers.

The new rifle was first shown in mid-September. By that time, she had reached the test, and a video of the shooting was published. It was reported that the rifle is built on the basis of the AR-15 system and is characterized by increased accuracy. In this case, a common rifle cartridge is used, which makes it possible to obtain a high range of fire and in this respect to surpass the existing mass weapons.

In early October, test firing was again shown. It is curious that this time the capabilities of the rifle were demonstrated far beyond the calculated ones. So, with an estimated firing range of up to 1000 m, the rifle fired experimentally at 1152 and 1430 m.


At the time of the first announcement, the project had the working title SMERSH, and the developers did not rule out the possibility of changing it. For example, in early October, V. Lobaev wrote in his blog about the possible renaming of the rifle to "Counter". As it became known later, in the end, both names went into business.

Weapons in the troops


November 1 RIA News announced the start of a new round of audits. From an unnamed informed source, the agency learned that a promising rifle from Lobaev Arms was transferred to one of the sniper units. The servicemen had to test it in the conditions of the training ground. In addition, it was planned to use in real combat conditions.

The source also said that the planned combat operation will affect the further fate of the rifle. Upon receipt of positive results, the product will go into series. At that time, it was at least an initial batch of 100 products.

V. Lobaev commented evasively on this news. He wrote that the company has not yet decided which of the rifles will be sent for testing in the army - and listed a few of the latest samples.

However, later the situation cleared up, and the information from RIA Novosti was actually confirmed. On December 3, the head of Lobaev Arms said that over the past few weeks, the SMERSH and Counter rifles have been tested in two sniper units. The news was accompanied by another video from the tests at the shooting range. It is curious that the name "Counter" was first used as the name of a specific product, moreover, not previously known.


On the basis of which units and subdivisions such tests were carried out, for obvious reasons, is not specified. In this case, the general results are indicated. So, one of the sniper units evaluated the rifles and chose the “Counter” product for themselves. The second at that time had not yet decided on the choice, but should have done it in the near future.

Information about production plans was also confirmed. The development company launched the assembly of an initial batch of 100 new rifles. The first products are already coming to parts.

Thus, over the past few months, Lobaev Arms has developed two sniper rifles at once, put them through tests, and is now starting production. It is noteworthy that SMERSH and Counter are her first developments in the field of self-loading rifles, but the lack of experience in general did not prevent new projects.

Technical features


Products "SMERSH" and "Counter" are semi-automatic high-precision rifles on the AR-15 platform, chambered for 7,62x51 mm NATO (.308 Win). Rifles have the most unified design and differ from each other only in the parameters of the barrel and the combat characteristics associated with them. At the same time, the difference in firing parameters is to position the two products as different rifles, and not modifications of the same project.

New domestic rifles retain all the characteristic features of the foreign platform. A receiver of two “receivers” is used, to which an elongated fore-end and a rear tube-casing of the return spring are attached. Probably, the automation based on the removal of gases with the supply directly to the shutter and the exhausted shutter group have been preserved. It also uses a standard hammer-type trigger mechanism with two-way controls.


Long range shooting

The SMERSH rifle is equipped with a 7,62 mm rifled barrel 500 mm long (65,6 klb). The recently shown "Counter" product receives a 600 mm (78,7 klb) barrel with a different thread pitch. In both cases, the barrels are threaded for mounting various muzzle devices. So, in published videos, rifles were equipped with a muzzle brake or silent / flameless firing devices.

Due to different barrels, two rifles show different combat characteristics. So, "SMERSH" with a 500-mm barrel provides estimated accuracy at ranges up to 1000 m. The longer barrel of the "Counter" allows you to get the same parameters at distances of more than 1 km. Both projects were faced with the task of obtaining accuracy at the level of 0,5 MOA.

The receiver and forearm of two rifles are equipped with a long Picatinny rail, which provides the installation of different types of sights. In addition, it is possible to replace the stock, pistol grip, etc. - as is the case with other systems based on the AR-15 platform.

Modern designs


The goal of the SMERSH and Counter projects was to create a modern high-precision semi-automatic rifle for various types of sniper work. In fact, we are talking about another attempt to create a replacement for the old and well-deserved SVD, the characteristics and capabilities of which no longer correspond to all emerging tasks. The need for a new generation of weapons was formed a long time ago, and since then new samples have been regularly offered.

Rifles of new models should occupy the same niches, but show higher performance. To solve this problem, several ideas of various kinds were used, from cartridge selection to technical design features. Judging by the results of the tests and reviews from the troops, the tasks were generally completed.


Two new rifles use the .308 Win cartridge. He was chosen based on the combination of technical characteristics and potential. Also contributed to its wide distribution and the presence of domestic production. Under such a cartridge, new barrels of different lengths were developed, allowing to maximize its potential.

For similar reasons, new projects used the off-the-shelf AR-15 platform. It is quite convenient, mastered in production by Russian enterprises and can be scaled to obtain the required parameters. In particular, such a scheme initially has proven automation and other mechanisms, which allows you to focus on other components.

Reportedly, the Counter and SMERSH rifles underwent a kind of military testing in different conditions, and some sniper units wished to adopt them. This fact says a lot about the new precision rifles; in fact, they were highly rated.

Everything for the troops


Thus, the domestic defense industry continues to develop new weapons systems of all major classes. Promising samples are regularly sent to the combat zone for testing and testing. This time we are talking about two new types of sniper rifles.

Reportedly, snipers have already tested the new SMERSH and Counter rifles, and also wished to get such weapons for full operation. What will happen next, time will tell. Perhaps new orders will appear, and the production of promising products will not be limited to an initial batch of hundreds of units.
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  1. YOUR
    YOUR 13 December 2022 04: 50
    +5
    On the AR-15 platform?! The cartridge is absolutely not common with us. I don't think it will spread.
    and some sniper units wished to adopt them.

    This is generally surprising. For some time now, individual units decide what they are armed with. And do we have separate sniper units, well, maybe in the FSO
    1. marchcat
      marchcat 13 December 2022 04: 57
      +16
      And in my opinion - this is pure PR!
      1. YOUR
        YOUR 13 December 2022 06: 34
        +1
        Quote: marchcat
        And in my opinion - this is pure PR!

        I support you for 10000000....%
        1. Civil
          Civil 13 December 2022 07: 17
          -4
          Why AR-15? What kind of admiration for the Western school?
          1. YOUR
            YOUR 13 December 2022 07: 40
            +1
            Quote: Civil
            Why AR-15? What kind of admiration for the Western school?

            Are you asking me? Where do I know from. So the developer decided so.
            1. vadimtt
              vadimtt 13 December 2022 09: 26
              +21
              Everything is simple. The developer needs accurate ammunition. Find us one.
              1. YOUR
                YOUR 13 December 2022 10: 52
                -10
                Quote: vadimtt
                Everything is simple. The developer needs accurate ammunition.

                How do weapons and ammunition work?
                Full of sniper weapons with high performance working according to other schemes.
                1. bayard
                  bayard 17 December 2022 18: 53
                  +2
                  Quote: YOUR
                  How do weapons and ammunition work?

                  The SVD used, as a rule, an ordinary machine-gun cartridge, but even then, back in the USSR, normal snipers took away and even sorted out cartridges. It seems that they even counted powders. In any case, my brother told me about this, and he is my sniper, he also took Kabul as part of the Vitebsk division.
                  For a good sniper weapon, high-quality ammunition is needed, with an accurate weight distribution of gunpowder, a bullet that is impeccable in geometry and weight ... Such ammunition is made separately. So if they took a proven imported cartridge as a basis, if they accept rifles to supply the army, then they will also launch the release of special sniper ammunition.
                  1. YOUR
                    YOUR 18 December 2022 03: 36
                    0
                    Quote: bayard
                    The SVD used, as a rule, an ordinary machine-gun cartridge

                    What does this have to do with how weapons work?
                    And we have special sniper cartridges, it will probably be easier to find them than 7,62x51 mm NATO (.308 Win). Capture the enemy? Isn't it funny? Make the work of a sniper dependent on trophies. And what about capturing the same machine-gun cartridges only of the NATO type.
                    1. bayard
                      bayard 18 December 2022 11: 50
                      +2
                      In general, Lobaev made rifles for sports shooting and for export, his native MO definitely did not indulge him with orders. And since the product was being prepared for export, then the ammunition should be available and widespread there.
                      And now these rifles are offered by the MO.
                      Also :
                      Quote: Bad_gr
                      Cartridge 7.62x51 GOST 21169-75
                      Serially produced since 1974.

                      Left 7,62x51, right 7,62x54

                      https://www.air-gun.ru/patrony-308-win
                      1. YOUR
                        YOUR 18 December 2022 12: 36
                        0
                        The rifle that is in the pictures cannot be combat. This is a sport weapon. The combat design is designed so that it does not cling to anything, it does not pick up dirt. With the one in the picture only shoot at the shooting range, but not in combat conditions.
                      2. bayard
                        bayard 18 December 2022 14: 06
                        +3
                        Quote: YOUR
                        With the one in the picture only shoot at the shooting range, but not in combat conditions.

                        Yes, and I think that there is still work to be done on the upgrade of these rifles, what to turn into military weapons. In the meantime, just testing / trial operation in the troops. And then corrections, taking into account all the comments and wishes of users.
                    2. Oleg812spb
                      Oleg812spb 29 January 2023 17: 51
                      0
                      The attitude to the scheme of the weapon is the most direct, because the domestic full-size 7,62 x 54R has a sleeve with a rim. It seems that he alone remained so massive that it creates a headache for our designers of magazine weapons.
              2. Bad_gr
                Bad_gr 13 December 2022 11: 21
                +10
                Quote: Civil
                Why AR-15?
                I can assume that hunting rifles are produced on the basis of the AR-15, and it is possible that the Lobaev company will take over the manufacture of barrels and the most important parts for accuracy of rifles, and the assembly will be carried out at facilities where the production of the trigger part has already been mastered, etc.
                https://stmarms.su/ar (Союз-ТМ)
                https://charlifox.ru/2018/12/05/karabin-ar-15-ot-rossiyskoy-kompanii-for-6/ («Форт»)
                1. Bad_gr
                  Bad_gr 13 December 2022 11: 37
                  +13
                  Quote: YOUR
                  The cartridge is absolutely not common with us. I don't think it will spread.
                  Cartridge 7.62x51 GOST 21169-75
                  Serially produced since 1974.

                  Left 7,62x51, right 7,62x54

                  https://www.air-gun.ru/patrony-308-win
          2. IVZ
            IVZ 13 December 2022 10: 27
            +9
            Why AR-15? What kind of admiration for the Western school?
            The point is in the available components and blank parts (Turkish, Arabic, Chinese, Russian). Almost every weapons manufacturer, including Russian ones, makes a clone of the Arka. As a base for high-precision weapons, it is quite suitable. Yes, the Arches do not pass tests according to our Russian methods and cannot be officially adopted by the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, but they have their advantages, an alternative to which the domestic manufacturer has not yet created.
          3. Mustached Kok
            Mustached Kok 13 December 2022 11: 48
            +9
            Well, maybe because the peculiarity of AR is that the position of the butt line is on the same line with the line of the barrel? And therefore, the vertical toss of the weapon when fired for such an arrangement is lower than for assault rifles with a difference in the location of the butt line and the barrel line. And what snipers and "Marksmen" need is right, the barrel is more precise and with less recoil.
            So I don’t see anything wrong, in the cartridge too. It is better suited for accurate, aimed shooting at long distances. Yes, it is not very common in our country, but some private organizations still produce it. And it is quite possible to organize larger production on their basis. Although it is better, of course, to use a single nomenclature of ammunition throughout the army.
            1. sibiryouk
              sibiryouk 13 December 2022 17: 16
              +5
              The 7,62x51 cartridge is made at all cartridge factories in the country, at least advertising testifies to this.
          4. Hagen
            Hagen 13 December 2022 12: 12
            +11
            Quote: Civil
            Why AR-15? What kind of admiration for the Western school?

            This gas exhaust system allows you to combine the vector of the recoil momentum when fired with the axis of the bore, which has a positive effect on maintaining the pointing of the weapon after the shot. Plus, perhaps, a reduction in the mass of moving parts. For a sniper rifle, especially for an automatic one, this is important.
          5. Denis Minakov
            Denis Minakov 14 December 2022 16: 01
            +6
            There is no worship here. Widespread reliable platform.
          6. Pivot
            Pivot 14 December 2022 21: 36
            +3
            And you offer another platform, you probably also have a plant. Produce an installation batch on your platform and transfer to the troops.
          7. Eule
            Eule 16 December 2022 13: 31
            0
            Quote: Civil
            Why AR-15

            The shutter is of small mass, with the center of gravity almost on the axis of the bore.
            Shutter damper, also linear
            Stock on the axis of the barrel
            A huge assortment of any sniper body kit.
            The possibility of export - which will give money to improve production.
            Quote: Civil
            admiration for the Western school?

            Because there are 330 million people in the United States who have an unlimited right to own weapons, improve them, invent new ones, and so on. And already 250 years. This body of knowledge is important, and we must take the best. For this to happen in the Russian Federation, an amendment to the constitution is needed, similar to the Second in the United States, plus climate change to subtropical.
      2. Blackgrifon
        Blackgrifon 13 December 2022 18: 08
        +2
        Quote: marchcat
        And in my opinion - this is pure PR!

        This very "PR" at the front shows better results than the "Orthodox" AK-12.
        1. PROXOR
          PROXOR 14 December 2022 13: 50
          +2
          I slapped you with a minus for comparing the Marxman rifle and the assault rifle (AK-12).
    2. olegff68
      olegff68 13 December 2022 05: 32
      +6
      I don’t remember now, but in the summer I read somewhere that the most productive sniper at that time was a shooter from Buryatia with a captured dill rifle. And he got some ammo from somewhere.
      1. YOUR
        YOUR 13 December 2022 06: 31
        +10
        Considered one of the most productive snipers, the Finn Häyhä Simo fired from a mosquito without a scope. You can name more than a dozen of our snipers who either approached the Finn or bypassed him and all as one shot from a mosquito.
        1. olegff68
          olegff68 13 December 2022 10: 50
          +8
          As expected, the minusers poked around here, and I even found an article. In early August, Sladkov published a post in the telegram channel dedicated to one of the most productive snipers in the NWO, Buryat. According to a war correspondent, the Russian sniper uses a Ukrainian-made Zbroyar VPR.338LM rifle, which he obtained by eliminating an enemy sniper.
          1. YOUR
            YOUR 13 December 2022 10: 54
            +1
            I read about it and there is a video report from Sladkov. But it just doesn't say anything.
          2. YOUR
            YOUR 13 December 2022 11: 00
            +4
            Rifles Zbroyar Z-008 are designed and manufactured by a small private company "Zbroyar" from Ukraine. The company was founded in 2006 and has its own production of high-precision rifles, located near Kiev. The design of the Zbroyar Z-008 rifle was created by Konstantin Konev (the creator of the SVK rifle). Rifles Zbroyar Z-008 are produced "to order" in the widest range of modifications and calibers, for long-range hunting, high-precision sports shooting (including benchrest). They can also be used as sniper weapons. For all Zbroyar Z-008 rifles, accuracy of fire is guaranteed no worse than 0.5 MOA (minute of arc) at 100 meters, in reality, in the hands of a trained shooter, some rifles of this line can show accuracy up to 0.15 MOA (subject to the use of appropriate cartridges and other components).

            A small company, it turns out Ukrainian Lobaev. The rifle is not the most common. I would say single instances.
            1. solar
              solar 14 December 2022 00: 57
              +1
              Under the order piece make private traders.
              For the army, Zbroyar has mass production in fairly large batches of rifles of various types, for example
              On November 8, 2019, Colonel Vladislav Shostak, a representative of the Department of Military-Technical Policy, Development of Weapons and Military Equipment of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, said that in 2019, the troops received about 600 UAR-10 and UAR-008 sniper rifles[11].
        2. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 13 December 2022 11: 26
          0
          Quote: YOUR
          Considered one of the most productive snipers, the Finn Häyhä Simo fired from a mosquito without a scope. You can name more than a dozen of our snipers who either approached the Finn or bypassed him and all as one shot from a mosquito.

          And all this in Ukraine in our time? after all, it is written about a military operation
      2. PROXOR
        PROXOR 14 December 2022 13: 51
        0
        Also a trophy))))))))))))))))))))))))
    3. Bingo
      Bingo 13 December 2022 05: 33
      +3
      Quote: YOUR
      The cartridge is absolutely not common with us

      But finding a quality match is not a question, otherwise we still have target cartridges almost by eye.
      In short, not from a good life, and snipers don’t need a lot of cartridges ... Although it’s still a fucking minus for the army, because it won’t join the army anyway.
      And when will we finally stop spanking 120 variants, for example, PP, and will deal with cartridges that are still produced according to the standards of the beginning of the last century ?!
      1. YOUR
        YOUR 13 December 2022 06: 55
        +8
        Quote from Bingo
        snipers don't need a lot of ammo...

        That's it. It is not profitable for the industry to produce them. Where the wagon will use up ordinary cartridges, the sniper box is not full.
        Back in the 60s, the 7N1 cartridge was developed, but try to find it, I'm not writing about the 7N14 armor-piercing sniper. Produced in small series. So small that in warehouses you can find cartridges from the 40s, but these will not be.
        1. 28st region
          28st region 13 December 2022 06: 59
          +8
          I confirm. I have never seen sniper cartridges in my entire service life. As even shooters from Kalashnikov do not see them.
      2. FRoman1984
        FRoman1984 13 December 2022 07: 07
        +1
        Quote from Bingo
        Quote: YOUR
        The cartridge is absolutely not common with us

        But finding a quality match is not a question, otherwise we still have target cartridges almost by eye.
        In short, not from a good life, and snipers don’t need a lot of cartridges ... Although it’s still a fucking minus for the army, because it won’t join the army anyway.
        And when will we finally stop spanking 120 variants, for example, PP, and will deal with cartridges that are still produced according to the standards of the beginning of the last century ?!

        Yes, and high-quality, match (imported) almost all swept away. At flea markets they sell from hands at wild prices.
    4. Barberry25
      Barberry25 13 December 2022 15: 21
      +1
      everything is simple - the NATO seven is common with the enemy + it’s easier to get high-precision cartridges, while our 7,62 has certain problems with accuracy .. Yes, and Lobaev is a private trader. Here the question needs to be raised to our cartridge manufacturers when it changes the quality of our sniper cartridges .
      1. Pivot
        Pivot 14 December 2022 21: 43
        +2
        Never, they are not interested in them and so it will do. Only private traders will produce sniper cartridges and everyone except the MO will buy them.
        1. Barberry25
          Barberry25 14 December 2022 22: 06
          +1
          they will produce if there is a specific order and a specific order to improve the quality .. relatively "they won't buy" - be surprised, but when the MO wants to buy from everyone, the question is different, that private traders cannot meet the needs of the MO
          1. Pivot
            Pivot 15 December 2022 13: 36
            +1
            And what is the need of the Ministry of Defense when buying sniper ammunition? I thought it was accuracy. It is logical to buy 1000 exact bp. than 10000 g ... on. And just private traders will give the necessary accuracy, unattainable in mass production.
            1. Barberry25
              Barberry25 15 December 2022 14: 32
              -1
              and the army just needs 10 rounds of ammunition in a specific caliber, Now it’s 000 mm, not NATO’s 12.7 .. Regarding the cartridges, I wrote what needs to be done above.
              1. Pivot
                Pivot 15 December 2022 15: 58
                0
                Well, yes, they will buy, otherwise the whole world is throwing off for mavics and teploki, and recently they all raked out thermal socks, probably the Ministry of Defense
                1. Barberry25
                  Barberry25 15 December 2022 16: 47
                  -2
                  Well .. tomorrow the MO went and bought all the 308 caliber cartridges from the manufacturers .. and what to do with them? At best, we have 100 rifles of this caliber for the whole army, and then 2/3 are trophies and weapons of special forces of the Special Forces control level FSB .. and the fighters need high-precision 7,62 R ... and private traders don’t make them. In fact, if we want to solve the problem, it’s easier to order a mass purchase of rifles in caliber 338 lapua magnum, since there are cartridges and due to the caliber itself, accuracy on 1 000-1 500 is easier to provide, and there are already a couple of rifles for this caliber
    5. Mikhail Maslov
      Mikhail Maslov 13 December 2022 21: 39
      +1
      You don’t follow the news. In the summer there was a message that the Armed Forces of Ukraine, namely foreign mercenaries, use the tactics of sniper units. In response to this, ours began to create their own. The first were the Pacific Fleet marines. Moreover, the result, according to the characteristics of the fighters themselves, is not bad and allows you to knock out enemy snipers (ours went a little further and attracted mortars)
    6. Pivot
      Pivot 15 December 2022 13: 42
      +1
      Each sniper decides what to do with him, but this is at his own expense, they have repeatedly chipped in for both optics and teploki, targeted at specific units.
    7. Alexfly
      Alexfly 15 December 2022 14: 47
      0
      Well, as you wanted, we have cartridges in 3 calibers, there is nothing more modern and is not expected ..
      About these surrogates from Arch, I just want to add that if they were still with a short piston stroke, then one could dream, with the removal of gases - not serious ..
    8. operKOT
      operKOT 12 January 2023 16: 15
      0
      What makes you think that the 308 Win cartridge is not common in the Russian army?
    9. Woroshilow
      Woroshilow 17 January 2023 12: 10
      0
      Under 308 win, the AR-10 platform is all pure amateur performance, no one in our country will accept this caliber and this platform out of principle.
    10. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 Yesterday, 14: 41
      0
      Quote: YOUR
      On the AR-15 platform?! The cartridge is absolutely not common with us. I don't think it will spread.
      and some sniper units wished to adopt them.

      This is generally surprising. For some time now, individual units decide what they are armed with. And do we have separate sniper units, well, maybe in the FSO

      Why not? Some people even buy optics and rifles at their own expense. Maybe they were asked after the tests if they want such rifles? By the way, I don’t think that Lobaev will do all 100 pieces at his own expense. He still has a commercial enterprise. it is necessary either to open funding through the Ministry of Defense or through donations
  2. Vladimir80
    Vladimir80 13 December 2022 05: 13
    +5
    it’s better to have such a “PR” than to exhibit Chinese quadrocopters with their emblem ...
  3. Izotovp
    Izotovp 13 December 2022 05: 32
    +3
    I don’t see something unique domestic development for a regular, accepted for service, cartridge!
    1. Hog
      Hog 13 December 2022 11: 00
      +4
      Well, first try to find a cartridge, but there are no problems with rifles. What is suitable for a machine gun, not a rifle. Therefore, the Lobaevites want to switch to NATO with it and there are fewer problems and easier production (Lobaev himself is going to make cartridges, since no one else has deigned for so long), and you won’t find our sniper cartridges during the day with fire.
      PS: So let it be better to have a NATO cartridge from which you can get hit than ours, which fly into milk. Plus, the supplier will be easier in terms of the fact that it is immediately clear for whom 7.62 * 51 go.
      PPS: The rifle will most likely go to the National Guard.
      1. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 Yesterday, 14: 43
        0
        Quote: Hog
        Well, first try to find a cartridge, but there are no problems with rifles. What is suitable for a machine gun, not a rifle. Therefore, the Lobaevites want to switch to NATO with it and there are fewer problems and easier production (Lobaev himself is going to make cartridges, since no one else has deigned for so long), and you won’t find our sniper cartridges during the day with fire.
        PS: So let it be better to have a NATO cartridge from which you can get hit than ours, which fly into milk. Plus, the supplier will be easier in terms of the fact that it is immediately clear for whom 7.62 * 51 go.
        PPS: The rifle will most likely go to the National Guard.

        Why does the National Guard need sniper rifles?
    2. Pivot
      Pivot 14 December 2022 21: 46
      0
      And she is not. On their own initiative, Kalashnikov or ZiD will not produce anything revolutionary, it will still be either Kalash or RPD, well, at the extreme SVD.
      1. haron
        haron 15 December 2022 11: 21
        -1
        Quote: Pivot
        well, to the extreme SVD.

        "to the extreme" SVD still holds the record for the farthest confirmed hit in a caliber of less than 8mm. Sergeant Vladimir Ilyin, in 1985, in Afghanistan, 1350 meters, SVD 7,62x54, cartridge yes 7N1.
        At 308 caliber (7,62x51) the record is 100 meters less. From the bolt gun Rem 700 (or M24) 2005, Iraq.
        1. Pivot
          Pivot 15 December 2022 13: 32
          0
          Ah, well then, yes, if there is a record, then for another 50 years you will not see a new rifle in the Moscow Region.
          1. haron
            haron 15 December 2022 17: 05
            0
            Quote: Pivot
            for another 50 years, you won’t see a new rifle in the Moscow Region.

            It is set that the Moscow Region will not see "Precise barrels" for another 50 years, without which any "precise" ammunition on any platform will fly away in two minutes. An accurate barrel is massively a little harder to make than an accurate cartridge.
            1. Pivot
              Pivot 15 December 2022 18: 48
              0
              Weapon systems will make an accurate barrel, just pay money.
              1. haron
                haron 15 December 2022 20: 04
                +1
                Quote: Pivot
                Weapon systems will make an accurate barrel, just pay money.

                Grandma yes. But who is the mass "producer" in the Russian Federation?
                Anyway. Amers have an M110 sniper rifle, (based on AP10 - this is what this article suggests) Requirements for its accuracy are 1,27 MOA with an M118LR cartridge.
                The requirement for SVD is 1,04 MOA (with a 320 twist), 1,24 minutes (with a 240 twist) with a 7N1 cartridge.
                The weight of the SVD body kit is about 1 kg lighter than the M110.
                Another nuance - nothing is new under the sun. Reliability.....
                The M110 system was taken over by US troops in 2008. In 2016, they abandoned it because ... well, often it refused at the right time ... with heavy use. Well, the Americans do not want to be without a sniper when the delivery shoulder is at least 50 kilometers and only by air, and an intense battle can last from half an hour or more.
    3. Woroshilow
      Woroshilow 17 January 2023 12: 14
      0
      Microwave 7,62x54R it is also available in caliber 308win
  4. Konnick
    Konnick 13 December 2022 05: 54
    +1
    The title of the article does not match the content. Here, after all, it is not a tabloid newspaper, where the main thing is to intrigue the headline.
  5. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 13 December 2022 06: 42
    +1
    At the time of the first announcement, the project had the working title SMERSH, and the developers did not rule out the possibility of changing it. For example, in early October, V. Lobaev wrote in his blog about the possible renaming of the rifle to "Counter". As it became known later, in the end, both names went into business.
  6. FRoman1984
    FRoman1984 13 December 2022 07: 03
    -4
    Do we produce ammunition with increased penetration bullets in 7.62x51? No. And why then these products are needed in the Army? Just curious how this modification of the AR-10 (AR-15 is coming in 5.56) will be better than the SVD-M?
    Lobaev has always lived and lives in his own world. Painter. He does what he wants, not what he needs to.
    1. Rustic
      Rustic 13 December 2022 11: 00
      +10
      Lobaev has always lived and lives in his own world. Painter. He does what he wants, not what he needs to.
      Rather not an artist, but a businessman. And he does not what he wants, but what he can. You don't think that the Kalashnikov lobbyists will allow someone to produce rifles based on their models? At best, they will block access to components, and at worst, they will simply squeeze out a successful sample and start producing them themselves. Does Lobaev need it? So, based on this condition, he chose a platform that will definitely not intersect with the Kalashnikov. It’s better to toil with the Arch, all of a sudden something will come out, than it’s guaranteed not to get anything in the end except for the maximum installation batch. Pure business, nothing personal.
  7. GRAFIN_32
    GRAFIN_32 13 December 2022 08: 09
    +6
    1) "New domestic rifles ..." They are not and will not be!
    2) "Thus, the domestic defense industry ..." Who are they? I do not know such. Lobaev & Co. is a private business. Lobaev himself earns money like all businessmen and does good advertising right at the front. No complaints. I myself am disgusted to read about our military-industrial complex on this site and not only. And about those who work, I'm glad to read. Even patriotic stormy orgasms at the expense of the American platform will not overcome me. I'm glad that the guys at the front have the weapons they need. In the direction of the rest, I can spit without shame. The author, of course, is either well done, or attaches other people's merits to the state. If I hadn’t written about the military-industrial complex, they would have said that advertising ... The moral of this fable is this ... The guys at the front are provided thanks to the people and business. Thank them very much! May God grant you health and success in life and business.
    1. Mikhail Maslov
      Mikhail Maslov 13 December 2022 21: 44
      0
      And here, unfortunately, you are completely right. Moreover, here our military-industrial complex and the Lobaev company are not clear. This is the same with armored cars from Kadyrov.
    2. Askold65
      Askold65 14 December 2022 10: 47
      0
      Quote from: GRAFIN_32
      "New domestic rifles ..." They are not and will not be!

      And whose rifle will Chukavin be?
      Quote from: GRAFIN_32
      The moral of this fable is this... The guys at the front are provided for thanks to the people and business.

      I've heard about this moral somewhere before .... smile And, I remembered this fable - "The Soviet people won the Second World War, despite the bloody Stalin and his butcher Zhukov." Do you seriously think that volunteers are able to provide everything necessary for a group of half a million people? Yes, they help in any way they can, but in principle they are simply not up to the task of providing for the army.
  8. north 2
    north 2 13 December 2022 08: 29
    +3
    and whose and what optics will be used on these new sniper rifles? Somehow the rifle in the article is outlined from the butt to the muzzle and cartridges, but not a word about optics.
    1. GRAFIN_32
      GRAFIN_32 13 December 2022 09: 08
      +4
      The plank is there. There are a lot of sights for 1-1.5 km and the price is not biting. But this is not for the Ministry of Defense. Experienced snipers will find what to put. The main thing is that the guys work. And it’s so stupid to supply rifles of this type without a kit.
      1. vadimtt
        vadimtt 13 December 2022 09: 34
        -2
        In general, I have doubts that experienced people remember how to shoot at jackdaws, all at military points laughing
    2. Alexfly
      Alexfly 15 December 2022 14: 51
      0
      What optics, what do you think? Well, hardly from Swarovski ...
  9. Force
    Force 13 December 2022 09: 29
    -8
    Poor AR-ku did not swear unless lazy, and now, it turns out, they want it for service. laughing
    Damn survived. What's next? - we are waiting for the Penguins in the videoconferencing ... fellow
    Z.Y. Seriously though, this sounds like a publicity stunt.
    1. Blackgrifon
      Blackgrifon 13 December 2022 18: 18
      +5
      Well, yes. After all, this is not a fast copy of the Western. After all, we only need to supply analogues. And hats - more hats to throw everything.
      But seriously, Lobaevsky rifles are praised and spoke well of them even BEFORE SVO. And do not care what the scheme is - the main thing is the result.
  10. KSVK
    KSVK 13 December 2022 11: 06
    0
    Quote from Bingo
    But finding a quality match is not a question, otherwise we still have target cartridges almost by eye.

    Quite right. The choice of ammunition in this case is due to the presence of high-quality bullets. It is much more difficult to get bullets under our .311 caliber than under NATO .308, but we don’t know how to produce our own. The capacity of the store in this case has nothing to do with it. 10 rounds and the SVDshny store is quite roomy, and you don’t need more for a sniper rifle.
    And the choice of platform is justified. With all the advantages of the SVD, NO modifications will be able to make a high-precision weapon out of self-loading with a long piston stroke.
    PS By the way, I still hope that a piston with a short stroke is used in the automation of Lobaev's products. The mechanism with direct exhaust of gases to the shutter is painfully capricious.
    1. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 13 December 2022 11: 51
      +2
      Quote: KSVK
      With all the advantages of SVD, NO modifications can be made from self-loading long stroke precision weapon.
      The SVD has a short piston stroke.
    2. Puzoter
      Puzoter 31 January 2023 12: 27
      0
      The piston begins to noticeably move only after the bullet leaves the barrel, how can it affect the accuracy of a single shot?
  11. TAMBU
    TAMBU 13 December 2022 11: 28
    +1
    AR15 seems to be under 5,56 × 45 mm. 7,62x51 is it AR10 or am I wrong?
  12. Ingenegr
    Ingenegr 13 December 2022 12: 00
    0
    Where and who produces normal .308-caliber sniper cartridges for the RF Armed Forces? Not a lead "pea" in a brass or tombac sheath, but a full-fledged bullet with a steel core, armor-piercing or increased penetration? Yes, and for a sane price, and not 1000 rubles / piece or more, like the cartridges of the PFO line? Or is it proposed to shoot with Russian-made commercial ammunition? Then where will these rifles get "high-precision" from?
    The author of the article seems to be a freelance advertising agent for Lobaev Arms, only not very competent)
  13. Dkuznecov
    Dkuznecov 13 December 2022 12: 26
    0
    You get the hang of picking grass and clay out of the casing.
  14. AB
    AB 13 December 2022 12: 33
    0
    Surprised by the platform. Of course, I don’t understand anything about this, but perhaps the manufacturer is looking primarily at the Western market, where they will turn their noses up less from ARok (and somewhere it will be a plus at all). And it distributes to ours for testing and what would potential buyers then say that it was tested in battle. Well, who knows, maybe later the Ministry of Defense will buy a batch.
  15. Alex gall
    Alex gall 13 December 2022 13: 04
    0
    "The head of Lobaev Arms said that over the past few weeks, the SMERSH and Counter rifles have been tested in two sniper units."

    The author of the article is illiterate and does not understand the meaning of some words. According to him, the rifle "was approved for several weeks", was not tested, not checked, but simply approved, in appearance, probably ...

    Approbation (Latin approbatio - approval, recognition). Official approval issued on the basis of a test, verification.
  16. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 13 December 2022 16: 09
    +5
    Quote: vadimtt

    vadimtt
    Today, 09: 26
    NEW

    +9
    Everything is simple. The developer needs accurate ammunition. Find us one


    Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye.
    The weapon is "built" around the cartridge (in most cases).
    Unfortunately, with high-quality sniper ammo, we are not doing very well.

    Lobaev does a great job, and does not sweep with his tongue.
    It produces weapons not at public expense.

    Only the lazy did not spit him.
    They mumbled with checks, etc.
  17. KSVK
    KSVK 13 December 2022 18: 19
    +1
    Quote: Bad_gr
    The SVD has a short piston stroke.

    Agreed, flared up, was wrong. But in any case, the Stoner platform structurally allows you to build more accurate turns than the Degtyarev platform.
    1. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 13 December 2022 18: 37
      +2
      Quote: KSVK
      Stoner platform constructively allows you to build more accurate coils
      It is sometimes reworked for a short piston stroke. Even tuning kits for this case are released (upper version):

      Quote: KSVK
      But in any case, the Stoner platform structurally allows you to build more accurate coils than Degtyarev platform.
      Eugene Dragunovif we compare with SVD.
      1. Eule
        Eule 16 December 2022 13: 39
        0
        And with these kits, both the toss and the removal of the barrel immediately appear. Of course, less than in AK, but still physics cannot be deceived.
  18. ares1988
    ares1988 13 December 2022 18: 29
    -3
    Lobaev? A good rifle for the price of ... a tank? ..
  19. storm
    storm 13 December 2022 18: 54
    +1
    The SMERSH rifle is equipped with a 7,62 mm rifled barrel 500 mm long (65,6 klb). The recently shown "Counter" product receives a 600 mm (78,7 klb) barrel with a different thread pitch. In both cases, the barrels are threaded to accommodate various muzzle devices.

    One AR 15 platform with barrels of different lengths and different rifling pitches, what is revolutionary here? An army sniper should have a universal rifle with various interchangeable barrels, at least two:
    - a short "assault" barrel 400-450 mm long for operation at 400-600 m (fights in the city).
    - long sniper barrel 600-650mm for work at a distance of 600-1000 m.

    To defeat enemy manpower at a distance of more than 1000m protected by bulletproof vests of class 5-6, much more powerful ammunition is needed, why the Moscow Region does not massively purchase sniper rifles in .338LM caliber and does not establish their mass production along with ammunition, the question is empty ...
    These rifles have a mass of 5-7 kg and are many times more mobile than the one and a half meter "monsters" of the ASVK type with a caliber of 12,7 weighing 10-12 kg.
  20. senima56
    senima56 13 December 2022 20: 06
    +1
    What has not been created and announced about the creation, testing, as well as about "soon acceptance into service" ..... And look at real footage from the NVO zone or just from the Army - all SVD rifles (not even SVD-M !!! ) and PM pistols! negative hi
    1. t200404
      t200404 15 December 2022 00: 12
      0
      Simple reliable and no problems with the cartridge
  21. Tarasios
    Tarasios 13 December 2022 20: 25
    +1
    "Lobaev Arms has developed two sniper rifles over the past few months"
    Hmm ... War is the real engine of progress ...
  22. KSVK
    KSVK 13 December 2022 20: 53
    +1
    Quote: Bad_gr
    It is sometimes reworked for a short piston stroke. Even tuning kits for this matter are released

    Well, there are quite a lot of serial samples like Heckler und Koch model HK416 / 417
    Quote: Bad_gr

    Eugene Dragunovif we compare with SVD.

    Well, of course, Dragunov. feel
  23. storm
    storm 14 December 2022 00: 49
    0
    Quote: Tarasios
    War is the real engine of progress...

    Screw different trunks to the standard AR15 platform, what is the invention here?
  24. zenion
    zenion 14 December 2022 20: 39
    0
    They came up with a lot, there is nothing to fight. In exactly the same way they came up with a harness for a horse. Everything is very beautiful, pleasing to the eye. It is a pity that such a horse has not yet been invented for this harness.
  25. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 14 December 2022 22: 17
    +1
    I think that the main task is a serial self-loading rifle with good accuracy. In the West, they do it (based on the AR-15), and Lobaev makes more piece samples and trunks are made from grooved pipes that they buy in the same USA. .308 is a quality gross sniper cartridge today. In terms of quality in the Russian Federation, neither caliber 7,62x54 nor .308 are made yet.
    By the way, in caliber 5,56 there are similar rifles with a heavy barrel and they have similar ballistics and range.
  26. t200404
    t200404 15 December 2022 00: 10
    0
    It's amazing how in such a short time they made a new system with a heap high for an automatic machine, this company commands the utmost respect. Apparently, many do not quite understand the choice of cartridge, as the owner of 308. , it’s not always possible to buy, plus I need to use a cartridge of the same production, who will supply it to the front line?
  27. pariarg
    pariarg 19 December 2022 10: 04
    0
    Well done Lobaev!
    He stirred up the Noviope swamp of the military-industrial complex in his area.
  28. Dimax-nemo
    Dimax-nemo 20 December 2022 14: 18
    +1
    The NATO 7,62 cartridge is not in service with the Russian army. Yes, SVD is also more preferable with "their own" cartridges. With which the AR-15 will definitely not be able to work. But, if necessary, a sniper can also use an ordinary Russian rifle cartridge, borrowing them from machine gunners and armored vehicle crews. To have on supply TWO cartridges similar in their characteristics, the main differences between which are the quality of workmanship (which in Russian production is unlikely to be higher than that of the Russian "sniper" 7,62x53R) and the presence of a rim, seems to be overkill.
    Again, the question arises, why then the microwave? And do you really need semi-automatic when shooting over 1000 meters? And is .308 Win so effective for this?
    I understand that Mr. Lobaev does not want to be particularly "tricky". But it does not hurt to remember the history of the 7,62 NATO cartridge, which is actually a parody of an intermediate cartridge, and not ammunition specially created for sniper weapons.
  29. erased
    erased 24 December 2022 10: 01
    0
    An interesting option. But why does the RF Armed Forces have weapons on a foreign platform and for foreign ammunition? Are there none of yours?
  30. Navy7981
    Navy7981 8 January 2023 18: 02
    0
    I just can’t understand why the SVD is so annoying. It seems that it’s simply impossible to shoot from the SVD. Of course, if you try to use it as a special weapon, then in this version it couldn’t have been such before, but let’s say a trench rifle is an excellent weapon in my opinion. A light, powerful cartridge, easy to maintain, unpretentious, fairly accurate at relatively short distances, a 10 cartridge can in some cases create a good density of fire for a few seconds, but what is 5-10 seconds, say, in an extreme situation, I think it’s not worth explaining. Maybe it just needs to be upgraded? Only without fanaticism. These are just thoughts out loud without pretensions to an opinion, rather a question.
  31. Yuri Vasilenko_2
    Yuri Vasilenko_2 12 January 2023 09: 42
    0
    I completely agree with those who write about the PR of the described product. What do we have here? We have a product (to call it an "invention" language does not turn) on the AR-15 platform. Simply put, based on the American M16. For complete happiness, there is not enough cartridge rammer (in any case, I did not see it in the photo). The purpose of the article is simple as a crowbar: to push the product into the masses)) .. For, a new barrel was screwed to the receiver of this same AR-15. And to pay tribute to Lobaev, his trunks are super !!! Therefore, the caliber is NATO, because the whole mechanism is not ours, but in our arsenal, so far, the cartridges are not NATO. The arguments of the supporters of the caliber 7,62x51 are known to all. Under the cartridge 7,62x54 "sniper" Lobaev does not make trunks. By the way, his prices are scrap, they would be democratic, I would order a barrel for my hunting carbine KO 91/30) ... "Hammer" re-barreled, and then his "raw materials" ran out) ... I paid attention to the trunk of the product, it from stainless steel - this is Lobaev's crown (as I understand it) and his trunks of the highest quality, there is nothing to say here. You can’t put such a barrel on the SVD, this is a violation of copyright, modern designers can invent something new and original "on the platform" of the SVD. So we climb all sorts of imported "platforms". And the last. My personal opinion: this product will not go into production, it does not even have an open sight, and without optics, what to do with such a gun on the battlefield? We always have NEW weapons made under the cartridge. Cartridge. according to the developers, we have -7,62x54 sniper, but there is nothing new for it. Only irreplaceable SVD. oh, and a trinity. By the way, what will happen if Lobaev drills a barrel 73 cm long from a stainless steel to it?)) What a mine suggests that such a barrel will not withstand 20 shots, and this is the maximum shot of a mosquito)) ... But here's what I'm sure of, this barrel from Lobaev will push everyone, and very far away. A lot happened, but these PR people got it ... either "Microwave", then "Smersh", then all sorts of "Counters", but the output is zilch!
  32. Maverick1812
    Maverick1812 17 January 2023 12: 35
    0
    Well done Lobaev! Keep it up!
    While the couch "experts" here are outraged about the use of a foreign scheme, he gives our guys weapons that can destroy the enemy! And believe me, the fighter doesn't care who made his rifle, the main thing is the result.
    Everyone forgets that Lobaev & Co is a PRIVATE company!!!! While the Ministry of Defense draws beautiful reports and reports to the Supreme, the Army is armed, equipped, supplied with medicine through the help of volunteers, and mostly at its own expense.
  33. Alexfly
    Alexfly 18 January 2023 18: 20
    0
    SKS with a 520mm barrel can also shoot calmly up to 1000m, only the cartridge is weak .... If they would develop separate ammunition for hunting in other cartridges, and not unfinished army ones, then there would be plenty to choose from .. Now either nothing, or Lobaev .. The arch is good because you need a CNC machine and take trunks somewhere .. Minimum production .. For AK, everything is more difficult ..
  34. Yuri Vasilenko_2
    Yuri Vasilenko_2 24 January 2023 08: 28
    0
    I’m reading: “Probably, automation based on gas exhaust with supply directly to the shutter and a worked-out bolt group was saved ... Isn’t that why that crap from the M16 on the right side, referred to as the shutter rammer, is saved, well, this is when the shutter starts to wedge due to- for soot from powder gases? The article is clearly advertising-custom. And the last. Have we really adopted the 7,72x51 cartridge?
    1. would
      would 4 February 2023 20: 18
      0
      Isn’t that why that crap from the M16 on the right side, referred to as the shutter rammer, is saved, well, is it when the shutter starts to wedge due to soot from powder gases?


      No. With it, in general, a separate and very long story (as well as with the M16 in general), but in practice, none of the users could remember that it would have been used at least once.

      Well, all manufacturers not aimed at the US Armed Forces leave this part out of inertia and for the unification of production.
  35. Igor1915
    Igor1915 29 January 2023 23: 56
    0
    As the owner of .308, I would like to know about the supply of this caliber in the Armed Forces.
  36. Cartridge
    Cartridge 3 February 2023 06: 33
    0
    Based on the name of the company in the English way and the chosen platform, this company works for the Western market and they are "up to the lamp of your problems." And "testing in battle" is a free help that turned up successfully (later they will announce in the advertisement about the full approbation)! NOTHING PERSONAL, THIS IS BUSINESS!
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 Yesterday, 15: 34
      0
      Quote: Cartridge
      Based on the name of the company in the English way and the chosen platform, this company works for the Western market and they are "up to the lamp of your problems." And "testing in battle" is a free help that turned up successfully (later they will announce in the advertisement about the full approbation)! NOTHING PERSONAL, THIS IS BUSINESS!

      This business supplies its rifles to the front. It's better to do something than nothing