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Russian troops broke through the defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Velika Novosyolka area

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Russian troops broke through the defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Velika Novosyolka area

Russian troops went on the offensive in the Ugledar direction and broke through the defenses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the area of ​​Velikaya Novoselka, forcing the enemy to abandon the first line of defense. This was announced in his TG channel by the commander of the Vostok battalion Alexander Khodakovsky.


According to the commander of Vostok, units of Russian troops broke through the Ukrainian front. The enemy, who held the defense in this direction, was forced to abandon the first line of defense and retreat to the second, where he entrenched himself, pulling up reserves. Currently, hostilities are taking place on the second line of defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, ours cannot put the squeeze on the enemy, the Vushniks do not have the strength to push ours back. However, it gets dark quickly, and with the onset of darkness, the activity of hostilities will come to naught.

(...) The enemy could not hold the advanced positions - he retreated to the second line at the same time as pulling up the reserve, and showed the main resistance at this turn. While the situation is floating, but the imminent onset of darkness will force to reduce activity

Khodakovsky said.


Fighting in the Neskuchnoye area, followed by Velikaya Novoselka


Earlier, the Russian Ministry of Defense reported on the advance of Russian troops in the Krasno-Limansky direction, where units of the Russian Armed Forces reached new frontiers and took up more convenient positions for themselves. But in the South-Donetsk direction, which is Ugledarskoye, the Ministry of Defense had no information about the beginning of the offensive of the Russian troops. It was reported that the enemy tried to attack in the direction of Neskuchnoye, fell under artillery fire and, having lost up to 40 personnel and several pieces of equipment, retreated.

Attempts by the Armed Forces of Ukraine to dislodge our units from their positions in Pavlovka, bordering on Ugledar, continue, but to no avail.
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  1. voice of reason
    voice of reason 11 December 2022 18: 38
    +4
    The front is crumbling a little. The only question is why? Either the Armed Forces of Ukraine are depleted and are simply inferior in the number of artillery, shells, heavy equipment, they have lost their personnel and the Russian Federation is simply pushing them through the entire LBS, or all the same, the Kiev strategists still removed the personnel units from the front again and are forming some kind of shock fist somewhere ... the victory in the NWO depends on the answer to this question.
    1. Roma 1977
      Roma 1977 11 December 2022 18: 44
      +21
      The regulars were withdrawn to the rear to regroup for a strike on Melitopol and Energodar. And terras can't withstand attacks. NATO is deliberately sacrificing cannon fodder for the big prize of the winter campaign. Otherwise, the offensive will be thwarted.
      1. Bayun
        Bayun 12 December 2022 01: 47
        -3
        Strategically, the main goal of England in the Russo-British war is to cut the Russian land route to the Crimea along the Sea of ​​Azov. "Azov" - alive, reformed, reinforced by E "SS" sheep and preparing for an attack on a well-known territory.
      2. YOUR
        YOUR 12 December 2022 03: 32
        +2
        What to do with reports that the 80th airmobile brigade was smashed, they are burning tanks, they are what the defense is, they are flattening the marines.
    2. JonnyT
      JonnyT 11 December 2022 18: 47
      +11
      They save the resource for their offensive, prepare another shock fist
      They need the Russian troops to start a large-scale movement one at a time from front sections. Then the Armed Forces of Ukraine will try to strike at the flank and communications ....
      1. KCA
        KCA 11 December 2022 19: 10
        +16
        What is the fist made of? Squeeze Dunka with a fist? Or are Ukrainians a special people, like orcs born from gnat and mud? Mobilizations do not contribute to the number of new mob resources, rake from the entire front line, if they give it, so what? To Moscow? And on the flanks of the RF Armed Forces, go wherever you want, take whoever you want? The relentless northern fox is coming
        1. grindz
          grindz 11 December 2022 20: 36
          -5
          About 40 thousand Armed Forces of Ukraine are now being trained abroad. So they will be the shock fist. Just like 10 thousand trained in Britain and mercenaries broke into us in the Kharkov direction in September. They realized that it works. And now several times more people are being taught under the same program. So they will try to launch a false offensive and as soon as our troops are transferred there, they will strike with a group of about 60 thousand people in our most vulnerable spot. They have enough intelligence to find him.
          1. Ulan.1812
            Ulan.1812 11 December 2022 21: 23
            +13
            Quote: grindz
            About 40 thousand Armed Forces of Ukraine are now being trained abroad. So they will be the shock fist. Just like 10 thousand trained in Britain and mercenaries broke into us in the Kharkov direction in September. They realized that it works. And now several times more people are being taught under the same program. So they will try to launch a false offensive and as soon as our troops are transferred there, they will strike with a group of about 60 thousand people in our most vulnerable spot. They have enough intelligence to find him.

            They "broke" us in the Kharkov direction, not because they were so trained, but because we had no one to hold the defense there.
            And why did you decide that they would have trained, but not from our side?
            And they will no longer have numerical superiority.
          2. Sith
            Sith 12 December 2022 18: 27
            +2
            In 1.5-2 months ... you won’t make super-soldiers ... at least prick them with psychotropy
            Yes ... they will be a little better than those taken from the street ... but in general, the percentage suitable for fists and breakthroughs ... is small
        2. Alexander Golotov
          Alexander Golotov 12 December 2022 01: 55
          -6
          It seems to me that they can and will organize a local blitzkrieg on a land corridor with a threat to Crimea. Its outcome, of course, is difficult to predict, but of all the logical goals, this is number 1. Previously, they voiced plans for this and, as practice shows, they do everything consistently. If they gather 60-80 thousand well-trained personnel officers and mercenaries, then they will make a rustle there normally. And as practice again shows, the reserves of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are inexhaustible.
    3. azkolt
      azkolt 11 December 2022 18: 52
      +1
      This "little by little" has actually been going on for 10 months, and then we gradually concede territories that are not comparable to "little by little"
    4. Orange Bigg
      Orange Bigg 11 December 2022 19: 03
      +6
      Quote: voice of reason
      The front is crumbling a little. The only question is why? Either the Armed Forces of Ukraine are depleted and are simply inferior in the number of artillery, shells, heavy equipment, they have lost their personnel and the Russian Federation is simply pushing them through the entire LBS, or all the same, the Kiev strategists still removed the personnel units from the front again and are forming some kind of shock fist somewhere ... the victory in the NWO depends on the answer to this question.


      There, in the personnel units, there are now mainly mobile phones.
      . Ukro-warrior with the nickname @HolodniyYar, positioning himself as the administrator of the 93rd brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, said that the Bandera General Staff made a difficult decision to withdraw the Kholodnoyarsk people from Soledar, since there was almost nothing left of them. Now only the 24th brigade is holding the defense, but the Russians will quickly crush it with a “mass”. He writes that officers coming out asked Zaluzhny to transfer them to Bakhmut: “Let's be realistic, they will simply destroy us one by one.” This information is consistent with the intelligence of our units. The Wagner Orchestra telegram channel says: “It is reported that the Ukrainian 93rd Specialized Rifle Brigade Kholodny Yar, or rather, the remnants of two mechanized battalions, will be withdrawn from the combat area near Soledar.” But not in order to give the warriors a rest. From Cherkassy, ​​Dnepropetrovsk region, where the brigade is stationed, information came that all the surviving Kholodnoyarsk residents would be diluted with mobs and thrown into the Bakhmut meat grinder.


      . The admin of the 93rd Motorized Rifle Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine admitted that the unsuccessful attack on the “musicians” completely bled the Kholodnoyarsk people, although after six months of fighting on the Donetsk sector of the front, the composition of the brigade, thanks to the “orchestra”, was replaced by 90%, and the total losses, most likely, already exceeded 3 thousand people.

      https://svpressa.ru/war21/article/355072/
    5. Maz
      Maz 11 December 2022 22: 55
      +14
      I'm here on the other side of the trenches. I save my mother. Shaw say - Hen by grain and that's it, winter is our ally. The neighbor is already crying, her son-in-law is sitting somewhere in the trenches in the second lane, says on the phone that it’s very cold for them there, and the air conditioners are freezing to the fullest, asked to send a mini-sized stove on a solarium, they sell such for tourists. Well, here the weather is vile, the wind is raining, the sky is in the clouds, the sirens howled for two hours this afternoon. So sho in the trenches is even worse. In the military registration and enlistment office they again began to call men to the war. They are not very happy. Flashlights and power banks are sold out in stores. When they beat with the first wave and cut out the light, the bread disappeared completely. Now the people are bought for a stock of products. schools do not work, they switched to online education, and the lights are turned off and you can’t turn on the computer for any study. And I must say, I talked to the people - our guys are waiting here, WAIT with great enthusiasm and despite the wild Russophobia in the media - there is someone to release here. Our people. So, when our army retreats it’s very hard on our souls, we understand that they level the front, Schaub save the soldiers, but one damn thing is bad. Prices on the edge climbed up. Especially on chicken eggs, it gets dark now at three o'clock in the afternoon, and chickens do not rush without light, and the light is cut down. There are generators on the streets near the shops, otherwise the cash registers do not work when the lights are out. When the siren does not work, banks and large shopping centers and shops. Queues near ATMs, people withdraw cash, otherwise you won’t pay with a card. Oh yes, the Internet, everything with the ru index is disabled, you’ll come in FIG. I had to learn how to turn on the VP. otherwise you won't come. yeah. So it goes.
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    1. private person
      private person 11 December 2022 19: 00
      -23
      Russian troops broke through the defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

      Yeah, but at first they said that we’ll tear it up somehow in a week. Something didn't go according to plan.
    2. navycat777
      navycat777 11 December 2022 21: 20
      -12
      Wow, how many people support Gerasimov and Shoigu, judging by the minuses. But the chief of the General Staff lies everything: the strength of the RF NE, planning and budget distribution, the reduction of schools, military registration and enlistment offices, mobilization and much more ... laughing
  3. aleksr2005
    aleksr2005 11 December 2022 18: 44
    +1
    #Insider from UGIL

    Our source in the OP said that the Office of the President set the task for the General Staff to organize strikes against critical infrastructure in the Moscow region. They want to sow panic as much as possible on Bankovaya so that the war becomes tangible inside Russia
    1. North Caucasus
      North Caucasus 11 December 2022 19: 00
      +9
      From the side of the outskirts is quite a logical move. Ours should have foreseen this scenario. I don't think it's good for us. Of course, in this way, the work of our intelligence, air defense systems will be tested. But the answer is expensive according to the scale of our country. Target all cities with a population of one million or more. 100% coverage will not work. If they messed up with the Crimean bridge, then it will be even more difficult with megacities. In vain they did not undermine the economic potential of the outskirts immediately. So you look, and by the fall the events would have ended and Zelensky would have already been sitting in the cell.
      1. meandr51
        meandr51 11 December 2022 23: 26
        -4
        They can't do anything bad. Unless they launch 1000 drones at the same time. More conversation.
    2. SSR
      SSR 11 December 2022 21: 03
      +6
      Quote: aleksr2005
      #Insider from UGIL

      Our source in the OP said that the Office of the President set the task for the General Staff to organize strikes against critical infrastructure in the Moscow region. They want to sow panic as much as possible on Bankovaya so that the war becomes tangible inside Russia

      Only here in Science City, crowds of dependents not loyal to Russia, simply looking for a warm place for their asses.
      PS.
      I heard from the riser in the bathroom how one pig was yelling that he would solve everyone, I have not yet figured out from which apartment it squealed.
  4. azkolt
    azkolt 11 December 2022 18: 50
    +26
    Why bring a map. if it's not even clear. where is this Great Novoselka located?
    1. Roma 1977
      Roma 1977 11 December 2022 18: 52
      +1
      So the information is confidential. We're not supposed to know.
      1. invisible_man
        invisible_man 11 December 2022 18: 59
        +3
        Do not write nonsense. This is an urban-type settlement in the west of the Donetsk region, 5 thousand people (was).
    2. Orange Bigg
      Orange Bigg 11 December 2022 18: 55
      +7
      Quote: azkolt
      Why bring a map. if it's not even clear. where is this Great Novoselka located?


      They forgot to sign the name of the locality.


      1. Poplar
        Poplar 11 December 2022 23: 11
        +3
        The cards, of course, are masterpieces. There are 28 settlement names on the first map. (including partially visible), on the second map 18 b.p. There are only five matches. Where are the others? What's the point here, I don't get it. I can't explain the scale difference. And yes, I totally agree with azkolt's question. And "forgot to sign" - these are the excuses of a fifth-grader at school. Rather, it’s just the unprofessionalism of the writer of this article.
  5. Battle Toads
    Battle Toads 11 December 2022 18: 56
    +8
    Quote: voice of reason
    The front is crumbling a little. The only question is why? Either the Armed Forces of Ukraine are depleted and are simply inferior in the number of artillery, shells, heavy equipment, they have lost their personnel and the Russian Federation is simply pushing them through the entire LBS, or all the same, the Kiev strategists still removed the personnel units from the front again and are forming some kind of shock fist somewhere ... the victory in the NWO depends on the answer to this question.


    Victory in CBO clearly depends on other factors and not on answers to questions
  6. Battle Toads
    Battle Toads 11 December 2022 18: 57
    -12
    Quote: azkolt
    This "little by little" has actually been going on for 10 months, and then we gradually concede territories that are not comparable to "little by little"


    You can always rush to the front line and show everyone how to make history! drinks good
    1. azkolt
      azkolt 11 December 2022 19: 35
      +5
      And you, as I understand it, are already there, happy with everything?))))
  7. Battle Toads
    Battle Toads 11 December 2022 19: 37
    -8
    Quote: azkolt
    And you, as I understand it, are already there, happy with everything?))))


    What difference does it make where I am if it is YOU - a brilliant warrior, analyst and strategist drinks sort of freelance rambo lol
    1. azkolt
      azkolt 12 December 2022 21: 05
      0
      From what did you draw such a "profound" conclusion? From what I wrote that we have been marking time for 10 months in almost one place, and then we cede huge territories? )))) As I understand it, you are satisfied with this circumstance?))) Otherwise. that I should go there or not go, let the military registration and enlistment office decide, it only seems to me that when it comes to you, all this "contentment" of yours will peel off like paint! This is how it usually happens with happy people.
  8. Ml. Sergeant
    Ml. Sergeant 11 December 2022 19: 47
    0
    Excellent guys! Continue in the same spirit.
  9. solar
    solar 11 December 2022 19: 50
    +12
    The enemy, who held the defense in this direction, was forced to abandon the first line of defense and retreat to the second, where he entrenched himself, pulling up reserves. Currently, hostilities are taking place on the second line of defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, ours cannot put the squeeze on the enemy, the Vushniks do not have the strength to push ours back.

    Is this called a break?
  10. Scientist_
    Scientist_ 11 December 2022 20: 08
    +6
    Quote: KCA
    What to cook a fist from? Squeeze Dunka with a fist? Or are Ukrainians a special people, like orcs born from gnat and mud? Mobilizations do not contribute to the amount of new mob resources

    At the current rate of loss, they will have enough mobile resources for a few more years, and there a new generation of xoxls will grow up.
  11. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 11 December 2022 20: 11
    +11
    broke through the defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the area of ​​Velikaya Novoselka, forcing the enemy to abandon the first line of defense.
    so they broke through the defense or the first line?!
    1. vikie1778
      vikie1778 11 December 2022 21: 54
      0
      that's how pavlovka was taken kaskad broke throught the first line and used the chaos to push a wedge deep into the village itself establishing a bridgehead for further pushes before hohol command could recover from the blow, the eventual capture of marrinka will allow the the command to attack coaldar from 2 directions at once.
  12. certero
    certero 11 December 2022 20: 19
    +5
    One thing surprises me. With the exception of the first days of the war, the Russian army has not once demonstrated deep breakthroughs with encirclement coverage and the capture of a large territory. But the enemy demonstrates this.
    It turns out that Ukrainian generals will be better? Since such military operations are technically planned, ours cannot.
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 11 December 2022 20: 32
      +5
      Quote: certero
      It turns out that Ukrainian generals will be better?

      No, they just spit on losses.
      1. filibuster
        filibuster 11 December 2022 21: 25
        +6
        While it is not clear who spits on the losses, no matter how mutually it turned out, we also use the tactics of storming fortified objects in the forehead.
        1. Andrei Rimsky
          Andrei Rimsky 11 December 2022 21: 51
          +3
          Unlike ukrov, we storm shells in the forehead, not people. It is difficult to call what is happening in Bakhmut a frontal assault. They advance only after the suppression of resistance.
          1. filibuster
            filibuster 11 December 2022 22: 25
            +4
            They talked about the tactics of the fire shaft with great emotions since the middle of summer, in fact, the Ukrainians also use artillery and very effectively, but here it is clear that NATO provides them with better intelligence. data.
        2. Dart2027
          Dart2027 11 December 2022 22: 05
          0
          Quote from: filibuster
          we also use the tactics of assaulting fortified objects in the forehead.

          The enemy has a solid fortified area there, so otherwise than in the forehead it is physically impossible, but
          Quote: Andrei Rimsky
          we storm the forehead with shells, not people
      2. Ulan.1812
        Ulan.1812 11 December 2022 21: 30
        +1
        Quote: Dart2027
        Quote: certero
        It turns out that Ukrainian generals will be better?

        No, they just spit on losses.

        And they had more personnel.
        And until recently, we have a leaky front for a thousand kilometers.
        That's the whole secret.
        1. Ulan.1812
          Ulan.1812 11 December 2022 21: 31
          0
          Quote: Ulan.1812
          Quote: Dart2027
          Quote: certero
          It turns out that Ukrainian generals will be better?

          No, they just spit on losses.

          And they had more personnel.
          And until recently, we have a leaky front for a thousand kilometers.
          That's the whole secret.

          Many times more. Again, the corrector corrects.
        2. Dart2027
          Dart2027 11 December 2022 22: 06
          0
          Quote: Ulan.1812
          And they had more personnel.

          More. But here we are talking about the generals and their level.
          1. Ulan.1812
            Ulan.1812 11 December 2022 22: 13
            -1
            Quote: Dart2027
            Quote: Ulan.1812
            And they had more personnel.

            More. But here we are talking about the generals and their level.

            There are, of course, many questions. Are NATO generals really that good? What wars with an equal opponent they won.
            Are our generals so bad? Are they all worse than NATO?
            Are they at war with one of the cards
            1. Ulan.1812
              Ulan.1812 11 December 2022 22: 20
              0
              Quote: Ulan.1812
              Quote: Dart2027
              Quote: Ulan.1812
              And they had more personnel.

              More. But here we are talking about the generals and their level.

              There are, of course, many questions. Are NATO generals really that good? What wars with an equal opponent they won.
              Are our generals so bad? Are they all worse than NATO?
              Are they at war with one of the cards

              Are they fighting with full carte blanche or have they been given some kind of restrictions.
              Including according to the forces and means available to them.
              So the question is not so simple.
              You can evaluate a military leader only by the result. While the operation is not over and I think it's too early to draw conclusions.
              But some who have already shown themselves to be inconsistent with modern requirements and have been displaced.
            2. Dart2027
              Dart2027 12 December 2022 19: 30
              +1
              Quote: Ulan.1812
              Are NATO generals really that good? What wars with an equal opponent they won

              So I mean it. They just fill up our corpses, that's their whole level.
        3. certero
          certero 12 December 2022 13: 27
          -1
          Quote: Ulan.1812
          And they had more personnel.
          And until recently, we have a leaky front for a thousand kilometers.
          That's the whole secret.

          in other words, our generals are even more stupid than they think, they cannot create the necessary outfit of forces and means. Is that how it works?
          1. Ulan.1812
            Ulan.1812 12 December 2022 14: 04
            0
            Quote: certero
            Quote: Ulan.1812
            And they had more personnel.
            And until recently, we have a leaky front for a thousand kilometers.
            That's the whole secret.

            in other words, our generals are even more stupid than they think, they cannot create the necessary outfit of forces and means. Is that how it works?

            Does not work. Politicians define the scope of the possible, not the generals.
            And politicians have their own reasons, which often do not benefit the fighting.
            Or is this news to you?
            1. certero
              certero 12 December 2022 14: 45
              0
              Quote: Ulan.1812
              Does not work. Politicians define the scope of the possible, not the generals.
              And politicians have their own reasons, which often do not benefit the fighting.
              Or is this news to you?

              No matter how narrow-minded politicians are in military matters, they should listen to the opinions of professionals. And in the process of conducting a special military operation, we retrospectively clearly see that there was simply no plan "B" in case the enemy was not afraid of our "shock and awe".
              But this is exactly what the military professionals had to come up with and offer.
              In the same way, even now the military must be aware that Russia is not able to defeat the united West for objective reasons. Hence, it is imperative to complete the special operation as quickly as possible. There is only one way to complete it - to inflict a decisive defeat on the enemy, on the basis of which you can dictate your own terms for further peace.
              Any other options are just a respite before a new, harder war.
      3. certero
        certero 12 December 2022 13: 36
        -2
        Quote: Dart2027
        No, they just spit on losses

        Let's not give in to propaganda. There is no real evidence that they "spit on losses".
        The losses of the Ukrainian army are most likely greater because ours are better equipped with heavy equipment, but this is not because they spit on losses. But because they are trying to conduct active offensive actions.
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 12 December 2022 19: 32
          -2
          Quote: certero
          There is no real evidence that they "spit on losses".

          Because everything our military is talking about is propaganda?
          1. certero
            certero 12 December 2022 22: 13
            0
            Quote: Dart2027
            Because everything our military is talking about is propaganda?

            Therefore, now everyone can read the summaries and reports of the times of the Great Patriotic War on the losses of the enemy and compare them with the real state of affairs.
            But actually the main thing is because we still have not won. Although they should have done it according to all the canons, based on the stories about the Russian army before the special operation.
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 12 December 2022 22: 58
              0
              Quote: certero
              Therefore, now everyone can read the summaries and reports of the times of the Great Patriotic War on the losses of the enemy and compare them with the real state of affairs.
              AND? Then the conditions of the war were somewhat different.
              Quote: certero
              But actually the main thing is because we still have not won.
              The Ukrainian army was defeated in a couple of weeks. Now there are weapons, communications, intelligence, funding, etc. from the United States, and Ukrainian only cannon fodder.
              1. certero
                certero 13 December 2022 01: 06
                0
                Quote: Dart2027
                The Ukrainian army was defeated in a couple of weeks. Now there are weapons, communications, intelligence, funding, etc. from the United States, and Ukrainian only cannon fodder.

                I didn’t want such comparisons, but do you think the Germans fought the Americans and the British on the eastern front? And KA was just cannon fodder?
                In order to correct mistakes, they must be acknowledged. It was a mistake to assume that in 2022 the Ukrainian armed forces will be the same as in 2014-15. That's all.
                Now the Russian army has a trained, well-trained, and in many things like communications, clothing and hand-held anti-tank weapons superior to us, a well-motivated enemy, which is very difficult to defeat.
                And fairy tales about evil NATO must be discarded. Otherwise, nothing will work.
                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 13 December 2022 19: 28
                  -1
                  Quote: certero
                  I didn’t want such comparisons, but do you think the Germans fought the Americans and the British on the eastern front? And KA was just cannon fodder?

                  That is, you are saying that the USSR could not fight without being supported by the United States and England? And what did their generals command? Cool...
                  Quote: certero
                  It was a mistake to assume that in 2022 the Ukrainian armed forces will be the same as in 2014-15.

                  Do you think that then they would not have received comprehensive assistance? Everyone likes to talk about the fact that they say the Armed Forces of Ukraine are not the same now, but how much have the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation changed? You are sure that we would have pulled the war then. And there is no need for fairy tales about the fact that now they have been brainwashed ... The process of washing began back in the USSR, and immediately after its collapse it went like an avalanche.
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                    1. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 14 December 2022 19: 14
                      0
                      Quote: certero
                      To provide assistance, you need a structure to provide.
                      There is a state apparatus, and they will do the rest themselves.
                      Quote: certero
                      If not ready, why the heck then squeezed the Crimea? If you're ready, why didn't you do as much as possible?
                      She did what she could do under those conditions - she returned that part of the "wrung out" that she could.
                      Quote: certero
                      In my opinion, in the fourteenth year it was necessary to help the then existing, then acting, fully legitimate president to restore law and order.
                      Why would you have to start a war? No one cared about the legitimacy of Yanukovych.
                      1. certero
                        certero 14 December 2022 19: 36
                        -1
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Why would you have to start a war? No one cared about the legitimacy of Yanukovych.

                        Omon Kyiv was ready to carry out the order to disperse, Yanukovych just needed to be told harshly what to do. Actually, the same actions in Crimea showed that the Ukrainian army is very weak, and most importantly, not ready to fight.
                        The truth is unpleasant, but it is true - Mr. President wanted to be a collector of Russian lands, a returner of Crimea.
                      2. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 14 December 2022 19: 51
                        -1
                        Quote: certero
                        Actually, the same actions in Crimea showed that the Ukrainian army is very weak, and most importantly, not ready to fight.
                        As i wrote
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Do you think that then they would not have received comprehensive assistance? Everyone likes to talk about the fact that they say the Armed Forces of Ukraine are not the same now, but how much have the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation changed? You are sure that we would have pulled the war then. And there is no need for fairy tales about the fact that now they have been brainwashed ... The process of washing began back in the USSR, and immediately after its collapse it went like an avalanche.
                        The only thing that did not exist then was fortified areas, but everything else.
    2. Belisarius
      Belisarius 11 December 2022 20: 43
      +2
      Quote: certero
      It turns out that Ukrainian generals will be better? Since such military operations are technically planned, ours cannot.

      Western generals are planning there, but that's not even the point. Our generals correspond to the level of power of the Russian Federation, that is, in general, they are very bad, but there is no need to blame everything on them. They operate within a very narrow framework of what is permitted within the framework of the policy of striving to amicably negotiate with respected partners. That is, their hands are initially tied.
      1. didra
        didra 11 December 2022 22: 30
        -2
        Let's be honest - what you wrote is gag, not knowledge.
    3. Vladimir Dmitrievich Burtsev
      Vladimir Dmitrievich Burtsev 11 December 2022 20: 51
      +6
      It seems that Gerasimov began to work more for Bandera than for the RF Armed Forces, he clearly slows down the offensive actions of our troops. And I generally keep quiet about the defense of our cities. Bandera kill citizens, fire, destroy cities, and Gerasimov has zero reaction to this. No air defense at all. The enemy drone flew to Engels and also no reaction. One continuous grief this Gerasimov, and not the head of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation!
      1. Ulan.1812
        Ulan.1812 11 December 2022 21: 34
        +8
        Quote: Vladimir Dmitrievich Burtsev
        It seems that Gerasimov began to work more for Bandera than for the RF Armed Forces, he clearly slows down the offensive actions of our troops. And I generally keep quiet about the defense of our cities. Bandera kill citizens, fire, destroy cities, and Gerasimov has zero reaction to this. No air defense at all. The enemy drone flew to Engels and also no reaction. One continuous grief this Gerasimov, and not the head of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation!

        So it was not in vain that Zaluzhny praised Gerasimov.
        Probably because he quite suits Zaluzhny.
    4. SSR
      SSR 11 December 2022 21: 09
      -1
      Quote: certero
      One thing surprises me. With the exception of the first days of the war, the Russian army has not once demonstrated deep breakthroughs with encirclement coverage and the capture of a large territory. But the enemy demonstrates this.
      It turns out that Ukrainian generals will be better? Since such military operations are technically planned, ours cannot.

      A lot surprises me too.
      Have you seen the amount of equipment at the start of combat? Did you see how much was on her in the ruin today?
      Have you heard Merkel's confession that Ukraine was armed but did not have time?
      Have you heard that Minsk was a front for Western "partners"?
      Only the Poles are preparing a separate place for their losses, and only their media voice over a thousand pieces.
      The West stuck out its rat snout, the West knows that our 19th directive allows the use of nuclear weapons, if strikes were made on the constituent trinity of nuclear weapons, such a blow was delivered. It's all long and messy.
      Ukrainians here are like a meat pad for Anglo-Saxon gentlemen.
    5. Andrei Rimsky
      Andrei Rimsky 11 December 2022 21: 53
      -5
      Forget those WWII stamps with attacks on a wide front by whole divisions. Now another war.
      1. Dmitry Tsarevich
        Dmitry Tsarevich 11 December 2022 21: 55
        -2
        Well, what are you, half of them are couch strategists who think they are seeing the battle not even from the outside, and the second half are enemies who write lies and enemy propaganda here, and where the FSB is looking at this resource is incomprehensible to me personally.
        1. newtc7
          newtc7 12 December 2022 00: 40
          +1
          Let's shut up everyone's mouth who dared to express their opinion!! Then we will definitely win!
    6. meandr51
      meandr51 11 December 2022 23: 30
      +1
      Of course. better. Nothing surprising. The Americans are developing everything with them and supplying intelligence. These are not Ukrainian, but American troops. They had an advantage in intelligence and manpower. They implemented it. In addition, they are shot there for treason.
      1. certero
        certero 12 December 2022 13: 32
        -1
        Quote: meandr51
        These are not Ukrainian, but American troops

        if there were American troops in Ukraine, now not 20 hummers would be hitting our positions, but 220. And enemy aircraft would constantly hang over our heads, guided munitions of all kinds would rain down on positions, and near and far you would be subjected to constant fire from tactical missiles.
        Therefore, there is no need to write garbage, practice has shown that, against the American army, the Russian one could not do anything without the atomic bomb.
        1. meandr51
          meandr51 16 December 2022 01: 41
          0
          What practice? There was not a single direct confrontation. And all these speculations are worthless. Since our best weapon is just amers and waiting.
  13. Belisarius
    Belisarius 11 December 2022 20: 37
    -2
    Well, what Khodakovsky writes must be divided by 10, but if this is at least partly true, this is extremely encouraging news. The offensive from Velikaya Novoselka to the north into the deep flank and rear of the enemy grouping is what should have been done back in March. Of course, now time has been lost and the offensive will already be with tactical goals, but even now the capture of Velikaya Novoselka and / or its bypass and advance to the north can create a significant operational crisis for the enemy.
  14. Vladimir Dmitrievich Burtsev
    Vladimir Dmitrievich Burtsev 11 December 2022 20: 39
    +1
    Well, they broke through our one line of defense of Bandera and stopped. They are marking time in one place, waiting for the Bandera to gather their troops for a counterattack and break through our defense line. Woe warriors. It is necessary to continue the attack not to let the enemy come to you. Where are our tanks, other equipment for the development of the offensive? Gerasimov has already sent his generals for the New Year holidays. And Surovikin is not heard or seen. I thought that Surovikin was really an intelligent commander, but it turns out I was very wrong about him.
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 11 December 2022 20: 43
      +3
      Do you think that all this is in the right quantities? Otherwise, they would not have removed the old equipment from conservation.
    2. Ulan.1812
      Ulan.1812 11 December 2022 21: 36
      +2
      Quote: Vladimir Dmitrievich Burtsev
      Well, they broke through our one line of defense of Bandera and stopped. They are marking time in one place, waiting for the Bandera to gather their troops for a counterattack and break through our defense line. Woe warriors. It is necessary to continue the attack not to let the enemy come to you. Where are our tanks, other equipment for the development of the offensive? Gerasimov has already sent his generals for the New Year holidays. And Surovikin is not heard or seen. I thought that Surovikin was really an intelligent commander, but it turns out I was very wrong about him.

      Perhaps ours also need reinforcements to move on.
      They, too, suffer losses.
    3. Dmitry Tsarevich
      Dmitry Tsarevich 11 December 2022 21: 57
      -2
      Well, he will survive, no matter how, the insults of such a serious couch strategist like you. I would have gone to the front, if not for the grief of a warrior, I would have shown how it should be.
  15. Akuzenka
    Akuzenka 11 December 2022 20: 57
    +6
    The enemy, who held the defense in this direction, was forced to abandon the first line of defense and retreat to the second, where he entrenched himself, pulling up reserves.
    Such reports are annoying. Where is the breakthrough? If the front is breached, then troops are brought into the breach, which tear the enemy's supply lines, smash the rear and close the encirclement. Why such big words?! Then he denied himself. They did not break through the front, but recaptured the line of defense.
    1. Stepan S
      Stepan S 12 December 2022 20: 42
      0
      yes, there are no "relationships", Khodakovsky simply reported on the situation, and already here they squeezed the article, allegedly giving the impression that "the enemy is defeated and fleeing."
      1. Akuzenka
        Akuzenka 12 December 2022 22: 38
        0
        Maybe I'm unfair to the battalion commander, but everything was invented by hacks. Yes, unfortunately their level of education is falling day by day.
    2. meandr51
      meandr51 16 December 2022 01: 42
      0
      All these WWII-style breakthroughs require millions of armies. They are not and will not be.
  16. UAZ 452
    UAZ 452 11 December 2022 21: 24
    +6
    Russian troops broke through the defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Velika Novosyolka area

    No one can even count how many times such victorious reports sounded, only geographical names changed. The very next day, these "breakthroughs" were not mentioned in the media from the word at all.
    1. Belisarius
      Belisarius 11 December 2022 23: 32
      +1
      Quote: UAZ 452
      No one will calculate how many times such victorious reports sounded, only geographical names changed

      This is true and most likely this time it will be the same. But here, almost for the first time, instead of insane 9-month attempts to break through the fortifications of Bandera on the front from Marinka to Seversk, we hit the flank, that is, we did what we had to do. Another thing is how strong and generally real this blow is .... But still, this is a movement in the right direction.
  17. Veter5757
    Veter5757 11 December 2022 22: 13
    +3
    The 1st line has been broken - it may well be the advanced one, the 2nd main one. Further, maybe the 3rd is not the fact that it is strong, rather a rearguard. While we are breaking through all the lines, a new line of defense will be dug behind 30-50 km.
  18. Bulrumeb
    Bulrumeb 11 December 2022 22: 48
    +5
    According to the commander of Vostok, units of Russian troops broke through the Ukrainian front. The enemy, who held the defense in this direction, was forced to abandon the first line of defense and retreat to the second, where he entrenched himself, pulling up reserves.

    Is this called a break? In my opinion, this has always been called - wedged.
  19. faterdom
    faterdom 12 December 2022 00: 59
    -1
    What's the point?
    Bolshaaya, Novoselka from the west and Marinka from the north support Ugledar, hanging over Pavlovka, like a mustache.
    Taking Ugledar head-on is stupid, but the fighting in Maryinka and now near V. Novoselka threaten to cut off Ugledar from supplies, and may force the Armed Forces of Ukraine to either leave it or be destroyed there.
    And the fall of Vuhledar also jeopardizes the Kurakhovo station, the main hub for unloading troops and resources in the Donetsk direction, including for Avdiivka, from where the barbaric shelling of Donetsk comes from.
    So this direction will be further pushed through by our troops, while the Bakhmut meat grinder also does not stop working, and Svatovo will not go anywhere.
    The training period for the mobilized is also ending, they are already appearing at the front, and the command may finally have reserves for consolidating and expanding successes where the enemy falls, and this will inevitably happen in any key places.
    This is how I see it somehow, and this is the alignment of the winning game, where the departure from Kherson can be a really pyrrhic victory for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the last and some ... smelling bad.
  20. UAZ 452
    UAZ 452 12 December 2022 20: 30
    0
    Well, a day has passed since the defense breach was reported. And how is the offensive developing there? How many kilometers have you advanced? How many brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine got into the boiler?
  21. Stepan S
    Stepan S 12 December 2022 20: 39
    0
    Yes, if you have to write about a single line of defense near the village, which is not even on the map, then yes, it is worth writing about.
  22. wladimirjankov
    wladimirjankov 12 December 2022 23: 05
    +2
    the same Khodakovsky reported that ours had already left their positions in Velikaya Novoselka and returned to their original positions. We grab and leave. this is our new tactics and strategy. reconnaissance in combat as in WWII.
    1. certero
      certero 13 December 2022 01: 22
      0
      Quote: wladimirjankov
      We grab and leave. this is our new tactics and strategy. reconnaissance in combat as in WWII.

      Reconnaissance in force is a tactical technique for opening the enemy's defenses, very often used just by the German troops during WWII.
      KA used it less often.
  23. Ml. Sergeant
    Ml. Sergeant 13 December 2022 01: 47
    0
    Great guys, keep up the good work.
  24. Rage66
    Rage66 13 December 2022 09: 44
    +3
    Russian troops broke through the Ukrainian front. The enemy, who held the defense in this direction, was forced to abandon the first line of defense

    In which academies did the authors of such articles study? To break through the front means to break through ALL DEFENSE LINES and enter the operational space. soldier
    1. Sasha1979
      Sasha1979 13 December 2022 10: 08
      +1
      That's it. "The essence of breaking through the defense lies in breaking the enemy's defenses with fire and strikes of all types of weapons and the decisive advance of the advancing troops in selected directions TO THE WHOLE DEPTH of the defensive line ..." (Military Encyclopedic Dictionary. M, Great Russian Encyclopedia, 2001. P. 1238). Accordingly, if there were 12 lines of defense, then a "breakthrough" is overcoming all 12 lines. And if 28 - then all 28.
    2. wladimirjankov
      wladimirjankov 16 December 2022 19: 16
      0
      for our army to take the first line is already a breakthrough. Nothing more to brag about.
  25. seacap
    seacap 13 December 2022 12: 07
    0
    The title again for clickability does not correspond to the facts, i.e. deception. I bring to break through the defense (front) and enter the operational space, this does not mean approaching the defense line of the second echelon, it means breaking through the defense and going to the rear where there is no organized resistance and strongholds. And in the end, well done, let the guys be lucky and self-confident, our cause is just.