In the American press: Kyiv's victory in a military conflict with Russia could lead to nuclear war

The alleged victory of Kyiv in a military conflict with Russia could lead to a nuclear war that could flare up between the Russian Federation and the West. But the United States is not interested in such a development of events, but in stable relations with Moscow, even if not in the warmest and most friendly.

This opinion was expressed by American columnist Brian Clark in an article published by 19FortyFive magazine.

In the words of Biden, America wants stable relations from Russia. However, the victory of Ukraine will make it almost impossible.

- the analyst from the USA argues.

The American press notes that the Kiev regime at this stage is striving for the complete restoration of its borders, as they were before 2014. But Washington doesn't need it. It is more important for him not to get involved in an open armed conflict with Russia, because it is a nuclear power.

And such a prospect, according to Clark, is quite real, because quite recently the Kremlin stated that they would defend their territories by any possible means, not excluding nuclear weapon.

To avoid this, the American analyst believes, the United States must not allow a complete victory for Ukraine, that is, the achievement of the goals outlined by Zelensky. Otherwise, there is a risk of drawing humanity into a global nuclear conflict.

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[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

The United States is interested in stable relations with Moscow, even if not in the warmest and most friendly

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- "But the men did not know!" ...
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[rocket757]

In the American press: Kyiv's victory in a military conflict with Russia could lead to nuclear war

. Different prophets divorced like fleas on a stray dog.

[dmi.pris1]

Yes, and some time ago, of all the irons, "there is no alternative to Minsk" ...

[rocket757]

For the Minsk "consent" ... nothing new, nothing unexpected, elites from different countries are not at all eager to butt heads with that big elite that has appointed itself a world leader.
They begin to snarl and kick only when the "world elite" tries to turn them inside out, that is, they fight for their own, beloved, skins and nothing else.
In general, everything is as always, in the bar they are scolding the peasants forelocks!

[yuriy55]

To avoid this, the American analyst believes, the United States must not allow a complete victory for Ukraine, that is, the achievement of the goals outlined by Zelensky. Otherwise, there is a risk of drawing humanity into a global nuclear conflict.

If Russia, during the next attacks by Ukraine on Russian strategic facilities, uses tactical nuclear weapons against known (named) targets, then in the West (and in Washington too) they will stick their tongue up their ass once and for all ...

[dmi.pris1]

But it would be nice to demonstrate ... But it seems to me that this will not happen ..

[Zakirov Damir]

Quote: yuriy55

If Russia, during the next attacks by Ukraine on Russian strategic facilities, uses tactical nuclear weapons against known (named) targets, then in the West (and in Washington too) they will stick their tongue up their ass once and for all ...

For what known purposes and on whose territory?

[yuriy55]

Quote: Damir Zakirov

For what known purposes and on whose territory?

For targets on the territory of Ukraine ...

[Zakirov Damir]

Quote: yuriy55

Quote: Damir Zakirov

For what known purposes and on whose territory?

For targets on the territory of Ukraine ...

I live near Minsk, on the Stalin Line. Why do I need nuclear explosions on the territory of Ukraine after Chernobyl?

[skeptick2]

Quote: yuriy55

in the next attacks by Ukraine on Russian strategic facilities, it will use tactical nuclear weapons

And what, without nuclear weapons-TNW in any way?
Without nuclear weapons-TNW, the second army in the world is not able to defeat the twenty-second?
Forget about this nuclear weapons-TNW. If Russia applies it in the center of Europe, i.e. in Ukraine, the consequences will be the saddest, primarily for Russia itself. In economic terms. In the military. In the political. In the ideological In image.
It is impossible to find at least some argument that would justify the use of tactical nuclear weapons by a nuclear power against a non-nuclear one, which, by the way, at one time this very nuclear power, together with others, gave security guarantees, is impossible.
Nuclear weapons are only a deterrent weapon. And nothing more. Any use of even tactical nuclear weapons without a good reason will instantly turn the country into a nuclear terrorist. With all the consequences.

[yuriy55]

Quote from: skeptick2

And what, without nuclear weapons-TNW in any way?

With a slingshot against a herd of elephants? Our doctrine says:

The Russian Federation reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in response to the use of nuclear and other types of weapons of mass destruction against it and (or) its allies, as well as in the event of aggression against the Russian Federation with the use of conventional weapons, when the very existence of the state is threatened.
The decision on the use of nuclear weapons is made by the President of the Russian Federation.

What the president considers the disabling of airfields and strategic aviation, how he presents the organization of the catastrophe at nuclear power plants - he alone knows ...
I suppose, in any case, it can be used to achieve parity against the military bloc ...

[skeptick2]

Quote: yuriy55

I suppose, in any case, it can be used to achieve parity against the military bloc ...

Those. no parity?
Then on what basis were there talks about the end of the era of the unipolar world?
Vrochem, even this is unimportant. Another thing is important: Russia cannot even use tactical nuclear weapons against Ukraine. For it is one thing - while Russia is depleting its military potential in the Ukrainian expanses and this does not affect the West in any way. It even stimulates the development of its military-industrial complex and industry as a whole. The West is watching this with a smile.
And it is a completely different matter if nuclear weapons are involved. In the centre of Europe. If there is a hint of at least some attempt on the Western established way of life, on the Western order. These uncles will take drastic measures, rest easy. Compared to which today's sanctions are child's play.

[yuriy55]

Quote from: skeptick2

If there is a hint of at least some attempt on the Western established way of life, on the Western order.

Do you know what I'll tell you? It's time to stop being afraid of what "Princess Marya Aleksevna will say" ...
Better a terrible end than horror without an end!

[skeptick2]

So maybe you shouldn't have started? To wait for the end? Terrible or not, it doesn't matter.

[yuriy55]

Quote from: skeptick2

So maybe you shouldn't have started?

There comes a time when it becomes clear that it was necessary to start the day before yesterday.
There is also this moral:

The trouble is, if the cobbler starts the cakes,
And boots stitch pastry:
And it will not work well,
Yes, and a hundredfold
What who loves to take someone else’s craft,
He forever others stubborn and foolish;
He’s better to ruin everything
And glad soon
The laughing stock of becoming light
Than honest and knowledgeable people
ask il listen to reasonable advice.

[Dingo]

What who loves to take someone else’s craft,
He forever others stubborn and foolish;

Gold words! And the topic is said.

[solar]

There is another very important nuance associated with the NPT, which explains why the nuclear powers have never knowingly used nuclear weapons, even if they had problems with combat operations.

An important addition to the treaty is the resolution of the UN Security Council of June 19, 1968 and identical statements by the three nuclear powers - the USSR, the USA and Great Britain on the issue of security guarantees for non-nuclear states parties to the treaty. The resolution provides that in the event of a nuclear attack on a non-nuclear state or the threat of such an attack, the Security Council and, above all, its permanent members possessing nuclear weapons, will have to act immediately in accordance with the UN Charter to repel aggression; it also reaffirms the right of states to individual and collective self-defence in accordance with Article 51 of the UN Charter until the Security Council takes the necessary measures to maintain international peace and security. The statements made by each of the three Powers at the adoption of this resolution indicate that any State that has committed aggression with the use of nuclear weapons or threatened such aggression should know that its actions will be effectively repelled by measures taken in accordance with the UN Charter; they also proclaim the intention of the USSR, the USA and Great Britain to render assistance to that non-nuclear party to the treaty who is subjected to a nuclear attack.

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Договор_о_нераспространении_ядерного_оружия
This does not mean that the Americans will immediately start a nuclear war in response. But they cannot fail to take effective measures, otherwise the NPT will fall apart very quickly and dozens of states possessing nuclear weapons will appear in the world, the process of nuclear proliferation will become uncontrollable, it is not so technically complex.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote from: skeptick2

Any use of even tactical nuclear weapons without a good reason will instantly turn the country into a nuclear terrorist. With all the consequences

For the eighth decade, no one has called the United States a nuclear terrorist. And as for the consequences... They didn't even consider it necessary to apologize.
Who will win - that and the truth will be. And any voice from the West that dares to accuse us of terrorism, of cruelty, of genocide - we have something to shut up any voice with one simple phrase: "Have you looked in the mirror? Have you read your history textbook for a long time?"

[Incvizitor]

They won’t apply already, they officially occupied Russian lands and cities don’t even apply to us.

[Dingo]

If Russia, during the next attacks by Ukraine on Russian strategic facilities

The key word here is "if".
The second, following from the key - "next".
I'm embarrassed to ask - how many of these "ifs" and "next" will there be? Until the ukroreich gets his way? But he will achieve it, sooner or later - while we draw "red lines" with pencils. Maybe change the pencil? Green, for example. Ramzan Akhmatovich, I think there will be only "Za" ...

[Alexander Salenko]

Why such confidence? The war is being waged on the territory that he considers his own, the mobilization resources are incomparable and you cannot compensate for the lack of manpower with mercenaries, to inflict defeats, so that, like Debaltseve or Izvarino, it also does not work when the heaviest losses are inflicted.
Do you understand that on the same crazy swings there is a zrada-peremog? Well, get off them, who doesn't?

[Dingo]

Well, get off them, who doesn't?

Old age. I'm under 70.
What about me - my nephew does not even succeed. He also has colonel's epaulettes, only he doesn't sit on the couch and give out advice. And this afternoon Tambov passed with his fighters. THERE, for the second time.
Don't teach me how to live - and you won't hear what I think about such "quacks"...

[Alexander Salenko]

And you don’t close your mouth in response, I’m not a military man to reproach me with my nephew for a start, and although I don’t live so long, it’s also enough to make my own ideas about life, including.
We are not discussing your feelings for your nephew, I understand and sympathize with them, but calling me a jerk, you insulted me, so tell me, with such a boorish attitude, why respect your age ?, why are you trying to defend yourself? To begin with, I run the risk of not living up to it corny, my father did not live for example.
Secondly, I am a military historian, I study past wars and I can probably draw some conclusions and here I do not tell the trench truth, for example, it is unknown to me, or for officer service, but I say that something like this has always happened before.
So they are rude where they allow it, I don’t allow it, worry yourself quietly on the sidelines and no one will write any comments to you, but dumping on me that he is there and I am here is some kind of savagery. You don't know me, but is the friend in front of you a wheelchair user? This is not so, but it is necessary to think, the more worldly experience should be. Bold minus for rudeness.

[Amper]

Do not worry, in order to press the red button, you need to have "iron" fingers, not jelly. In addition, there are many of their own and assets, real estate .. No, don't worry

[lopvlad]

Quote: Amper

In addition, there are many of their own and assets, real estate.

it is only a very naive person who can believe that his assets and real estate in the West still belong to him. All this already belongs to the West.

[Amper]

So, who would doubt, read my lips! And then there will be a hunt for the river. capital, because river capital is a bomb under democracy. R.Oligarchs!? GY-S! Kabaev's children!? Gee!

[your vsr 66-67]

Quote: Amper

Do not worry, in order to press the red button, you need to have "iron" fingers, not jelly. In addition, there are many of their own and assets, real estate .. No, don't worry

Russia is not the USSR! It was Khrushchev who could afford to bang his shoe on the UN platform! Faberge were steel, and was not afraid of nuclear war! No, do not think that I am for nuclear war! God forbid! I'm talking about something else.

[KCA]

Once 100500 they showed the translator Khrushchev who refuted this myth, not with a boot, or a shoe, but with a sandal, he rubbed felts for him, felts were tight, and he knocked to stretch the sandal, and not as a threat to someone, but Kuz'kin's mother, that's all not a TN charge of 57 mgt, but, which is especially ironic, a larva of a cockchafer, a cockchafer, such a fat, white, lives underground, prefers dry sandy soil in a pine forest

[Amper]

Its end... The ashes of the country are still knocking on the heart, but... it's all over For a long time .... And we are all her gravediggers ... the historical era of PiCo .. Russia is no more 1000 years old ..... like the Roman Empire ... and Atlantis ...

[silverwolf88]

how many stupid words to cover up the West for their impotence / impotence and, most importantly, the cost of ukrov (a cool computer suggested a replacement for a bitch - maybe he knows something more)
what kind of victory is the Sumerians ... there are less than 10% chances (the probability of betrayal because we cannot be defeated at the front) ... nuclear is necessary only for a global war with NATO and their hangers-on ... Sumeria has not grown to such ... such a significance of the goal you still need to earn it))) (sarcasm if anything)

[skeptick2]

Quote: silberwolf88

because at the front we can not be defeated

Are you closely following the change in the configuration of the front line? Let's say from an interval of February-March to September-November?
Does this change give you reason to say so?

[Amper]

How I would like to support you, that P has a boner and his iron testicles. But ... there .... alas, diapers are smelly and wet ... And we obsequiously change them according to the command Glory to Russia! Glory to the President of our country!!! Hooray!!!

[Mavrikiy]

In the American press: Kyiv victory in a military conflict with Russia could lead to nuclear war

Which Kyiv, where? English epaulette, Turkish tobacco, German boot, NATO projectile, world mercenary soldier, RZSO shtatovsky, Ruler ...... shtatovsky. So can there be a victory for Kyiv?

[Alexga]

How is Ukraine's victory over Russia? What this analyst puts into the word victory. It’s already starting to get boring, someone blurted out somewhere, they posted it here and the commentators start a verbal battle. I understand everything, and ratings, and the number of views, and money for advertising. This is all understandable, but it would be more logical for the flags of the states from where the commentator is broadcasting to appear instead of the conditional "shoulder straps". Military operations are underway, enemy propaganda is working, so why should she simplify life ?!

[VORON538]

I doubt that the administration will go for it. Attendance, ratings, money from advertisers. Yes, and pro-Ukrainian users, apparently due to power outages, have become an order of magnitude smaller. With regards to the topic, yes, there have been many prophets, but no one knows what will happen. And yes, Putin spoke long enough to withdraw capital from the West. The West has never been friendly to Russia, except that it used boriska in the 90s along with the whole country .Will be, will not be, no one knows, but suddenly something will survive not those who bathe in millions and billions, but those who are used to living on their own and themselves.

[Alexga]

And pro-Ukrainian users, apparently due to power outages, have become an order of magnitude smaller.

I was surprised to learn that they do not have electricity at home, but mobile communications work, so a large number of users are using the mobile Internet, and we have the majority of such users. Well, the cisco bot army, I think, works with a stable power supply.

[VORON538]

Well, I don’t know, I only see a drop in the activity of bots and trolls. Some take a steam bath, but the number of neophytes is much less than a couple of months ago.

[Incvizitor]

Flags were only then their stupid people removed.

[Dingo]

so that instead of conditional "shoulder straps" flags of states appear,

I support. I’ll add from myself - instead of the conventional “cardboard” shoulder straps with stars painted with watercolors.
Some come here and then - amuse their pride. Sitting on the couch - "urya-grunt" in time and get a "sofa colonel", for example ... or a marshal (although there is already one "plywood" one) ... But the "cardboard" ones will not hurt ... probably.

[opposite28]

In the words of Biden, America wants stable relations from Russia. However, the victory of Ukraine will make it almost impossible.

- says an analyst from the USA

For clarification on stability in US-Russian relations, a US analyst would do well to turn to Karine Jean-Pierre.
But the political solution to the problems that have arisen in bilateral relations between the United States and the Russian Federation, against the backdrop of the Ukrainian problem, should be an equal dialogue between official political representatives at the level of the Foreign Ministry and top political leadership.

[tihonmarine]

The alleged victory of Kyiv in a military conflict with Russia could lead to a nuclear war that could flare up between the Russian Federation and the West.
What is a "probable victory"? This expression is explained by V. A. Gilyarovsky "Psychiatry", 1935.
Alleged the role of individual factors in provoking a seizure (overwork, various intoxications, psychogenic influences, etc.), the form of the seizure itself, concomitant neurological and mental changes, fluctuations in the endocrine-vegetative sphere.

[Boa kaa]

The alleged victory of Kyiv in a military conflict with Russia could lead to a nuclear war that could flare up between the Russian Federation and the West. But the United States is not interested in such a development of events ...

So, easily and naturally, the States become the progenitors of our VICTORY!
It is they who will allow us to WIN, and not the heroism of the fighters, the wisdom of the leaders and the sacrifice of the people of RUSSIA!
Cunning beasts, oh how cunning!!! Even from their strategic defeat, they are trying to benefit for themselves. It turns out that it is to them that we will owe the VICTORY!
Well, does anyone else doubt who we're dealing with!?
And so it is in everything: crooks of the highest standard and rogues, descendants of thieves and robbers always remain true to their true nature!

[tralflot1832]

What does this remind me of. They themselves came up with a horror story and are now afraid of it themselves. In general, we have to wait for Monday, when they turn Putin’s words about the conditions for our use of a vigorous loaf on its head. They pin secret negotiations between the State Department and the Foreign Ministry in Turkey. But ours say that Ukraine is not discussed. The EU is still jumping, they don’t even think about negotiations. Let them jump.

[Valery Bordukov]

Any options will suit them .... otherwise there was no NWO. The main thing for them is who to take the prize from.

[Geosun]

Quote: yuriy55

stick your tongue up your ass once and for all..

And if not? Who will be responsible to the population? Or is your ambition more important?

[opuonmed]

this is how Kyiv can defeat a nuclear power, yes, with a large population and with a larger army and equipment ?????????????

[Blackmokona]

Quote: opuonmed

this is how Kyiv can defeat a nuclear power, yes, with a large population and with a larger army and equipment ?????????????

How he won near Kiev, Kharkov and Kherson.

[opuonmed]

Quote: BlackMokona

How he won near Kiev, Kharkov and Kherson.

Well, we've moved on from there! so it can not be considered a victory!

[solar]

And the Americans withdrew from Vietnam. You may not consider this a victory.

[Blackmokona]

Quote from solar

And the Americans withdrew from Vietnam. You may not consider this a victory.

Moreover, they withdrew from Vietnam after a major victory and the signing of a peace treaty, but even despite these patches, they consider Vietnam a complete defeat and shame