It became known about the arrival of Slovenian tanks M-55S APU on the front line

Western allies continue to pump all sorts of weapons into Ukraine, while European countries are increasingly complaining that they are giving Kyiv literally the last of its arsenals. These moans, by the way, are becoming more and more like endless calls for help from Kyiv. But what to do if a clear order is given from the "Washington Regional Committee" not to stop the flow of military supplies to Ukraine, even at the expense of the loss of its own defense capability.

Here is a very small, even by European standards, the country of Slovenia decided to join the pool of sponsors of the Ukrainian military machine. At the end of October, information appeared that this Balkan state, with a population of just over two million people, sent a batch of its tanks M-55S (a modernized version of the Soviet medium tank T-55) in the amount of 28 units removed from storage by the Slovenian Armed Forces. In return, the Slovenian military received 35 German 8X8 trucks and five tank trucks.

Judging by new publications in various publics, Slovenian M-55S tanks arrived at the front line at the disposal of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. It is not known which section the combat vehicles reached for more than a month.

The Soviet T-55 tanks, produced in the USSR from 1958 to 1979, went to Slovenia from the remnants of the Yugoslav army. In the early 90s, thirty vehicles were modernized with the participation of the Israeli company Elbit Systems, having received the British 105-mm L7A1 cannon, Israeli Super Blazer dynamic protection, modern fire control systems, communications and surveillance equipment. Restyling, as well as maintenance, turned out to be very expensive; in 2007, all tanks were put into conservation.

Comments

[Anachoret]

This is a reworked t55) and you thought)
Now they have begun to remove the T34 from the monuments in Europe in order to repair it and to the Bandera people to be rafted to the front line for recycling)

[Godzila]

Quote: Anchorite

This is a reworked t55) and you thought)
Now they have begun to remove the T34 from the monuments in Europe in order to repair it and to the Bandera people to be rafted to the front line for recycling)

All rubbish is being driven to the outskirts of Europe, which can kill Russians in a fight with Russians ..
They hope for new equipment and a new crusade against Rus' .. Well, well

[Myths]

The Americans did not just abandon their dynamic protection and sold it to Israel for testing. The most important thing now is heavy tanks designed for fighting in the city or on the roads. But a weapon is a weapon and it shoots.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote from Mitos

The Americans did not just abandon their dynamic protection and sold it to Israel for testing. The most important thing now is heavy tanks designed for fighting in the city or on the roads. But a weapon is a weapon and it shoots.

FAQ? What kind of nonsense?

[Godzila]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Quote from Mitos

The Americans did not just abandon their dynamic protection and sold it to Israel for testing. The most important thing now is heavy tanks designed for fighting in the city or on the roads. But a weapon is a weapon and it shoots.

FAQ? What kind of nonsense?

FAQ FAQ, everything is logical, yes)))

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

FAQ? What kind of nonsense?

patamushta-nonsense!
for, Mitos (Dmitry), and
Godzila (Z) "mikhan", they don't know how to do otherwise... it's not given by nature... Admins "half a day, "mihan" was a "voice". half a day-"godzila"... take action already!

[28st region]

I wouldn't say it's rubbish. The T-55 is a great tank. And we have a bunch of projects to modernize these tanks, incl. and developed ATGMs for his gun. Modernizations are such that only the hull and gun remained from the tank. But as usual, effective managers were not interested, such small amounts. From our side, it can be compared in terms of armament with the BMP-3, only it has thinner armor.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: 28st region

I wouldn't say it's rubbish. The T-55 is a great tank. And we have a bunch of projects to modernize these tanks, incl. and developed ATGMs for his gun. Modernizations are such that only the hull and gun remained from the tank. But as usual, effective managers were not interested, such small amounts. From our side, it can be compared in terms of armament with the BMP-3, only it has thinner armor.

T-55 is an old tank. Upgrade it or not, but you will not reach the level of the T-72. It can be used from ambush or as a self-propelled gun, but it is absolutely crazy to use it to support offensive actions.

[28st region]

Look at the fights. Are tank battles taking place? No. Well, a couple of tanks met, shot at each other and dispersed or did not disperse, someone remained. Basically, tanks are used as nomadic weapons.

[Barberry25]

how our guns use them or to support rare offensives, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine are just trying to send tanks on the offensive

[28st region]

Quote: Barberry25

And the Armed Forces of Ukraine are just trying to send tanks on the offensive

So what? The 105 mm gun is a fairly weighty argument.

[Barberry25]

provided that there is where to shoot and you see the target ..1) it’s not a fact that the tanks are properly serviceable, even the Germans have problems with their pedantry. artillery and anti-tank systems .. in other words, the probability of catching an ATGM with a tank is high, and the problem here is that the T-2’s armor is not very thick, so the DZ will not save and even the old ATGMs will be dangerous for it .. so yes, the APU will have several old tanks with scarce ammunition .. the efficiency will not be so great

[28st region]

You forgot to write about planes and helicopters.

[Barberry25]

aircraft and helicopters are used against equipment only in case of a threat of a breakthrough .. i.e. when, well, a LOT of them have accumulated opposite our positions. and the main violin is a UAV + artillery, whoever manages to get closer is met from the ATGM

[28st region]

Do the flyers know about this? And then they make 2 or even 5-7 flights a day.
But we're not arguing about that. You write that the T-55 is a very bad tank, that it can be destroyed with a spit, that in / in Ukraine all junk from all Western countries was collected. Above you say that this tank can be destroyed by spitting.
Hmm. Question????????????
Why are we trampling around, why are shellings of Donetsksk intensifying every day? In the same place, the west shook off all the junk.
Explain

[Barberry25]

all simple shelling is increasing because the enemy is suffering heavy losses near Bakhmut, which he turned into a large fortress in 8 years and that he is being knocked out of there

[Myths]

It was precisely the Ministry of Defense that had the option of modernizing such old tanks for fighting in the city, something stronger than an infantry fighting vehicle, the 72s are a bit large and the guns were used to break through passages and suppress fire, Mariupol showed this. And the turtle in the city still works. Aerodrome, read about the history of copying dynamic protection by the Americans and why they abandoned it.

[Alexander Salenko]

Well, I would not say that they do not pass, there are no tank battles, but individual battles happen. Can you imagine if such a machine suddenly starts to roll around the rear? It can do things. What pleases me in this aspect is the 105 mm gun, a zoo of calibers.
We also have this problem, T-62 and T-72, but they are replenished from our warehouses, and here a logistical nightmare is drawn.

[svp67]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

. Upgrade it or not, but you will not reach the level of the T-72.

Yes, but in this case it would be good to use it in mountainous conditions, in the same Carpathians. Why not a light, mountain tank ,,,,

[cat Rusich]

Quote: svp67

Yes, but in this case it would be good to use it in mountainous conditions, in the same Carpathians. Why not a light, mountain tank ,,,,

In the mountains, you need self-propelled guns (for example, 2S3 "Acacia") for firing at closed positions (reverse slope) and over long distances (it is not possible to drive to the right place, the firing range of 2S3 is up to 20 km), in addition, the self-propelled guns have a much more than the "mountain tank" (for the "Acacia" up to +60 degrees - for the T-55 up to +18) - gives more opportunities to fire at the mountain slopes.

[Negro]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

T-55 is an old tank. Upgrade it or not, but you won’t reach the T-72 level

)))
You are raving.

On these specific T-55s from the T-55, only the hull and chassis elements. Naturally, you can wind up more on the T-72, there are just stupidly more weight options, but compared to the naked T-72, the car is quite decent.

Of course, for oncoming tank battles, it is still better to take a heavier tank. But as a support car, it's quite normal.

[Pantsuy]

Quote: Negro

But as a support car, it's quite normal.

In any case, if you dig a couple of T-55s on the "support", then it will be much better than nothing.

[Incvizitor]

There’s something like 64 that this one is ripped apart by artillery, aviation or anti-tank systems, the result is the same, so there’s probably no difference for them.

[Alexander Salenko]

But this is a Soviet tank and it will be easier to master it, we removed the T-62 and it turned out to be used in such a conflict when a positional crisis arose. I won’t be surprised if the Su-100 is purchased from the coastal defense of Vietnam, a powerful cannon and the same caliber BS-3 has already shone in Ukraine.
And the Germans are huddled even to give away marders, not like leopards and what to choose from? You will not give them merkava either.

[karabas-barabas]

Well, with L7 fluff you can do trouble. After all, there is still a very large stock of modern Israeli ammunition in addition, including those with balls and high-precision and BOPS are very dangerous for all Russian tanks. NATO has a lot of BCs and cars for L7, these are both Leo1 and M60 and you don’t have to think that these cars are rubbish, and the guns are weak. Very good SLA and wild rate of fire and ammo is modern.

[Barberry25]

oh yes...i.e. we first shout that the T-62M is very, very bad, and then we shout about the "effective managers" who the T-55s were decommissioned in favor of the T-72B3 .. epic ....

[28st region]

All the same, it’s not for nothing that you threw so many minuses. You talk rudely.

[Barberry25]

at least I don’t change my point of view from you polite, who at first writes that the t-62 is not a very tank, and then admires the t-55

[28st region]

Unlike me, you do not understand the meaning of what is written.

[Barberry25]

those. when you said yes it can’t be, isn’t it possible that our old T-62s are being sent to the front? This is disinformation! didn't you mean that the T-62 is a bad and old tank?

[28st region]

You just have a "wonderful" one might say natural ability to turn any conversation into a swara.
You decide what you want to prove in this particular case.

[Barberry25]

well, the fact that you didn’t have to actively declare at one time that the t-62 is a very bad tank) and then change your mind, because the tank was sent by the holy Europeans

[28st region]

Oh that's it And where did I say that? Or, as always, I see what I want

[Barberry25]

well, remember how in the summer they were outraged by the news about the t-62

[28st region]

Quote: Barberry25

well, remember how in the summer they were outraged by the news about the t-62

Remind me, I forgot something.

[Barberry25]

and you remember .. screams about misinformation and that ours cannot drive such rubbish into the troops ...

[28st region]

Not only rude, but also deceitful

[Barberry25]

yah?:

Quote: 28st region

"28th region (Vladimir) May 25, 2022 15:31

The news is sucked from the finger.
We have 72 T-7000s of various modifications in storage. T-90 -200 units. Why T-62 if they are somewhere in storage to reopen "

etc..

[28st region]

Quote: Barberry25

and you remember .. screams about misinformation and that ours cannot drive such rubbish into the troops ...

Where is it written that the T-62 is rubbish.
I say not only rude but also deceitful.

[Barberry25]

that is, laudatory deferambs regarding the T-55 is normal, but writing "why do we need the T-62m" is clearly not a stone because it is old? 55 are in warehouses" ??

[28st region]

In your usual manner, you pervert and distort everything.

[Barberry25]

those. I understand correctly that you are now writing about the t-62 the same thing that you wrote about the t-55 a few days ago, or is it different?

[28st region]

No, you don’t understand anything at all, you are weak with concepts

[Barberry25]

Well, that's what I wrote about - when ours do it, it's horror, horror, and when the Armed Forces of Ukraine received an outdated tank, then this is "already a good tank" ...

[28st region]

Quote: Barberry25

Well, that's what I wrote about - when ours do it, it's horror, horror, and when the Armed Forces of Ukraine received an outdated tank, then this is "already a good tank" ...

Quite sick. And what a lie

[Barberry25]

well, yes, it's me who shouts that the t-55 is a good tank, but its development of the t-62m is already a bad tank ... you don’t get confused in your nonsense.

[Alexander Salenko]

Well, depending on who we are, for example, I didn’t shout, I was surprised, but after thinking, I realized that with a 115-mm gun you can bring down flights of stairs in Mariupol so that the Ukrainian soldiers do not run back and forth. In general, I believe that it’s a sin to laugh at weapons, these are not fuzei 19 century after all.
I remember how in 14 or 15, I was only reading the comments then, some neighed over the maxim machine gun, and someone answered: it’s hard to pull, but if you put it in a pillbox, just bring some water. Or already during the SVO over the MG-42, it would not be funny to me if they began to beat me like that. The only problem is ammo.
We use hailstones, but they are not at all the first freshness and SRZO Hurricane I saw at the 126th brigade once, but a hailstone column, this is even before the NWO, all the time.
Yes, you can remember that PTRS and PTRD things are unpleasant, heavy, with wild returns, and against lightly armored vehicles they will even fit very well, as they did during the Second World War. in principle, they first of all closed this niche then, and in recent history too, but against tanks and then so-so, from a series that is better than nothing.

[svp67]

Quote: 28st region

I wouldn't say it's rubbish. The T-55 is a great tank. And we have a bunch of projects to modernize these tanks, incl. and developed ATGMs for its gun

Not the best embodiment of a Tank Guided Projectile

[28st region]

Good tank for the money. Understand what's wrong with the T-55? I will answer. There is enough bad in it. The first weak engine, it was proposed to replace it with a more powerful and compact one. A fairly mobile tank has already turned out. Stabilization of the gun in only one plane. Resolved the issue. Electronics was completely absent from the word, this issue was also resolved. It turned out to be a normal dance. And the Ukrainians got good tanks.
You know, there is not much difference which gun fires at 100 mm or 105 mm trenches. Or if it hits light armored vehicles, the result will be one, a lot of metal.

[svp67]

Quote: 28st region

There is enough bad in it. The first is a weak engine,

Back in the Union, during modernization, they installed derated B-46s, the power of which is enough "for the eyes" ... So, that's not a problem

Quote: 28st region

Stabilization of the gun in only one plane.

Now this is not a problem either ... there are a lot of different STVs

Quote: 28st region

Electronics was completely absent from the word, this issue was also resolved.

What do you understand by this? On the same T-55M, a laser rangefinder with TBV was installed

[28st region]

That's exactly what I wrote about. What was the upgrade.

[Alexander Salenko]

That's for sure, if you shoot one knee with a AK 7,62, and the other - 5,45, the patient will not notice the difference.

[Santa Fe]

From our side, it can be compared in armament with the BMP-3

It is forbidden. The 100 mm BMP-3 gun is one of the most specific artillery systems in the world.

With the same caliber (100 ... 105 mm), the 2A70 gun weighs only 300 kg, then how does the Royal Ordnance L / 7 weigh 1300kg. And it's no accident

Further, a chronicle from the Middle East:

“The use of the BMP-3 as fire support vehicles, due to the lack of full-fledged tanks, quickly led to losses. The Arabs in Yemen also ran into the same problem, who at first used troikas on the front end, but after a mine explosion with complete annihilation of the car, they were replaced with MRAPs.

The combat weight of the BMP-3 is 18-20 tons
Weight T-55 - from 36 tons

Armor thinner...

[28st region]

Quote: Santa Fe

It is forbidden. The 100 mm BMP-3 weapon is one of the most specific artillery systems in the world.

Can. The action of the projectile on the target will be approximately the same.

[Santa Fe]

The action of the projectile on the target will be approximately the same.

You must first throw a projectile to the target
And the action is not the same

Gun BMP-3 for other conditions. She was conceived for firing HE shells with a larger filling of explosives. But only point blank

[28st region]

Quote: Santa Fe

You must first throw a projectile to the target

Well, it started, and if the projectile does not reach, and if the gunner is oblique ....

[Santa Fe]

and if the projectile does not reach, and if the gunner is oblique.

Above were the differences in the mass of a 100 mm BMP gun and a tank, all the differences follow from this

The 2A70 gun provides the projectile with a speed of 250 m/s at the muzzle

Less pressure in the bore - thinner projectile walls - more explosive filling

The tank gun has the opposite and other tasks

[28st region]

Quote: Santa Fe

The combat weight of the BMP-3 is 18-20 tons
Weight T-55 - from 36 tons

Armor thinner...

Much more fluid. If we take the geometric dimensions, then the T-55 is shorter than the BMP-3 by a meter, a little wider, the same height.

[Santa Fe]

It was irony. The very comparison of a tank and an 18 ton armored vehicle did not contain a subject for comparison.

[28st region]

Happenes. I grappled with a certain Bararis 25 and all alike.

[Santa Fe]

I wouldn't say it's rubbish. T-55 is an excellent tank

If this was written on the site a year ago, you would be mixed with slop. One hundred minuses per day guaranteed

[28st region]

During this time, a lot has changed. Incl. it turned out that a certain theory is far from practice.

[filibuster]

I wouldn't say it's rubbish. The T-55 is a great tank.

Like that cancer on bezrybe.

[bayard]

Quote: 28st region

The T-55 is a great tank. And we have a bunch of projects to modernize these tanks.

Why modernize this rubbish ??
We are now modernizing the T-62M, and then the people howled - "treason".
The modernization of the T-62M is justified for secondary areas, service at checkpoints, in the second line, to strengthen the forces of the Russian Guard that control the rear areas, as well as infantry support.
By the way, the modernized Slovenian T-55 with 105 mm. gun, roughly equivalent to the T-62M. But this incomplete battalion kit will not make much of a difference.

[Alex777]

Quote: bayard

We are now modernizing the T-62M, and then the people howled - "treason".

I read in one place that with the modernization of the T-62, not everything is simple.
That in the DPRK it was the main tank, until recently.
And that they not only have a large number of thermal imaging sights and laser rangefinders for it, but also have modern cumulative and fragmentation shells, which, of course, we have not developed.
The ability to quickly bring 1000 T-62s to a more or less acceptable level, with complete independence from Western components, is not such a "treason".
PS. By the way, colleague, have you looked at my letter in PM?

[bayard]

An agreement for the modernization of 800 T-62Ms, but if you consider that some other part was removed from storage and sent directly to the troops (to the corps of the republics of Donbass), then maybe up to 1000 will be typed. There are a lot of ammunition for them in warehouses, so it hardly makes sense to buy additionally from the DPRK. The engine seems to be going to be installed from the T-72B (there are a lot of them in warehouses), and additional side shields and dynamic protection (even if "Contact-5") will give quite good security. After all, this is still a tank for auxiliary tasks.

[PavelV]

The howls about the T-62 were rather caused by the fact that, according to open data, we have 10 thousand T-72 / T-80 tanks in warehouses (7000 T-72 and 3000 T-80) plus some number of T-64 .
I believe that in the rise of the T-62, the people saw the recognition that "everything is rotten, everyone was stolen!"

[alexoff]

The T-55 can be made into a rolling munition or mine-clearing teletank, or both. I think it's not that difficult, why are three thousand of these rusting in vain?

[Pantsuy]

Quote: Anchorite

Now they have begun to remove T34 from monuments in Europe in order to repair it and to raft Bandera to the front line for recycling

No not like this. T-34s are being removed from the monuments to make room for new monuments - the T-90.

[IL-18]

Quote: Anchorite

t55 reworked) and you thought)

Even a rifled old woman D-10T in capable hands, and not even very skillful ones, will do so much that it won’t seem enough. And given the decent booking with remote sensing, it’s generally a beast.

[Mavrikiy]

restyling, as well as maintenance, they turned out to be very expensive, in 2007 all the tanks were put into conservation.

Yes .... it looks like a real samurai. I just rewatched 7 Samurai yesterday.

[tralflot1832]

The T 55 modernized by Slovenia is still a tank. And a good tank. Something in Ukraine, trained tank crews are not decreasing. In the video from the front line, they are excellent with them.

[28st region]

See what fights are going on right now. It turns out a maximum of 3 tanks and pieces of 5 - 7 infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers and a rod to our trenches. They hit them with artillery, knock out a couple of some kind of armor, mostly light armor. They go back. From our side, a tank leaves and begins to hit the enemy trenches with high-explosive fragmentation. Fires ten shots and rolls out. On the other side, it's the same. Such are the fights. Tanks as nomadic weapons. There were no tank battles. Yes, tanks collided, a couple of pieces from the other side and about the same from ours.
This is all to the fact that a normal tank. He will complete his tasks 100%. And, as it were, the ending. From our side, the T-62 was brought in, so what?

[Pantsuy]

A little story.
In my work, during the period of partial mobilization, I was as an escort of newly recruited fighters. Already at the end of the mobilization, a team came to find 15 tankers. I brought them to the military commissariat, the military commissar builds them and asks the VUS - who served in what specialty. Everyone answers - who is a mechanic, who is a gunner on the T-72, T-80, and so on. And one says - loaders on the T-55. Everyone's jaw drops, the military commissar falls into a stupor ...
I ask - Seryoga, where did you find such a tank? It seems that you served recently ... He answers in surprise - on Sakhalin. There were simply no others.
The military commissar then ordered - everyone is now getting on the bus and flying to the Sergeyevsky training ground. And with you, Seryozha, we will think later what to do with you.
Seryoga, by the way, nevertheless escaped mobilization - it ended on time for him. Therefore, he continues to drive through the fields on his collective farm "Belarus" now.

[28st region]

The T-55 was recently removed from service or simply removed from the troops, but to be precise, not the T-55, but the TO-55. Flamethrower tank. Instead of a course machine gun, there is a flamethrower. Such tanks were in service with fortified areas. The fortified areas were destroyed, and tanks went under the knife with them.

[silverwolf88]

what can I say ... they rake everything out ... for the lack of fish to the Sumerians and this will pass for candy ...
their infantry is unmeasured and so far infantry losses are not sensitive for them (despite the numbers)

[Hypertension]

Quote: silberwolf88

what can I say ... they rake everything out ... for the lack of fish to the Sumerians and this will pass for candy ...

They are raking out T-55s, and we are T-62s. Here it is, the NWO of the 21st century.

[Mini Mokik]

Well, if there are thousands of them? Why not use. The EU is getting rid of them, under the guarantee of the supply of something newer from the US. For the United States, profit, the defense industry is loaded at the very least. The EU is switching completely to US equipment, which will have to be repaired and modernized. Again, the states profit. Well, in the Russian Federation, "junk" will decrease. Maybe something new will finally begin to replace. I just feel sorry for people....

[Dave36]

Yes, everything is rubbish for Ukrainians .... 9 months, and Donetsk is leveled with the ground ... and not only it ..

[Ulan.1812]

For diggers of the seas and tamers of dinosaurs, it will do.
I was more alarmed that the United States was forcing African countries to supply Soviet equipment to Ukraine.
And there it is unmeasured. Long enough.
Again, these two issues are the destruction of the transport infrastructure and the decisive defeat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, so that there is no one to supply weapons to.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Ulan.1812

For diggers of the seas and tamers of dinosaurs, it will do.

The internet started working for cisso, they started to minus, they really don’t like it when they talk about dinosaurs.

[Ulan.1812]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Ulan.1812

For diggers of the seas and tamers of dinosaurs, it will do.

The internet started working for cisso, they started to minus, they really don’t like it when they talk about dinosaurs.

They endure nothing. Such is their fate.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Ulan.1812

They endure nothing. Such is their fate.

They are paid hryvnia for this.

[Alexander Salenko]

I had no information, it's hard to dig. but I also thought it was full of it in Africa, including sold by Ukraine. Look, even in the movies, the Lord of War appears as from Ukraine.

[Vadim Topal Pasha]

The first thing that comes to mind is this anecdote:
The last words that the Terminator heard when he got to Russia: "E.at, Tolyan, there is only fifty kilograms of copper!"

I mean, someone will really rise on scrap metal, utilizing the destroyed equipment on the territory of the b. U.

[bars042]

recycling...

and not just technology.
It’s not for nothing that there is such a layer of Chernozem on this territory!

[Old Doctor]

Chernozem, fertile soil. 80 years ago, the Germans took it to Germany in trains. But there was no positive effect in the new place. Natural conditions are different. Yes, and everything was permeated with malice and hatred of the Nazi ideology.

[KCA]

Previously, yes, and then in Europe they raised a screech when the outskirts began to drive steel and cast iron from melted down cars, armored vehicles and other things with induced radiation from septic tanks, well, in itself it’s not so scary, I walked past the sump a meter away, from the fences are only a thorn, but what can be transported under the background of a composition with cast iron, it strained

[opposite28]

Fresh scrap metal was brought from Slovenia with "love for world peace."

[Leader_Barmaleev]

The T-55 was incredibly powerful for its time, that is, perceiving its modernized version without due reverence is very fraught, up to and including death. But fortunately, there is one thing - imagine yourself a Papuan, naked, barefoot, standing in the middle of the pampas with a spear. Represented? Now imagine that right at you, at a speed of WHOLE five kilometers per hour, an English Mark V, ancient as mammoth shit, with two 57 mm cannons, four 8 mm Hotchkiss machine guns rushes. Guess who will win? Ask what am I for? And to the fact that this M-55S will not be opposed by Papuans with grenades, but quite serious artillery, drones, "Hook" grenade launchers and other features of which the commission for organizing the meeting has a lot. And the more high-quality scrap metal we get, the more we will rivet out of it things useful in the economy after the war.

[Alien From]

The Jews modernized them not very badly, there was an article on VO. Do not underestimate the enemy, it is fraught.

[Negro]

Quote: Leader_Barmaleev

T-55 for its time was incredibly powerful

)))
A tank is like a tank.

Quote: Leader_Barmaleev

And to the fact that this M-55S will not be opposed by the Papuans with grenades, but quite serious artillery, drones, "Hook" grenade launchers and other features of which the commission for organizing the meeting has a lot

We have been seeing how these commissions work for the tenth month already.

[Lara Croft]

Thanks to the "multi-vector" B. Tito, which V and VT only the former Yugoslav army did not have ... these T-55s are rather former trophy ones from the period of the civil war in Yugoslavia ...

[Ohsetin]

APU more than a month drove Slovenian tanks to the front line ...

How many of them were disposed of on the way from the Ukrainian border?

[tihonmarine]

In return, the Slovenian military received 35 German 8X8 trucks and five tank trucks.

Businessmen! From a dead mare, at least a piece of wool was torn off.

[Leader_Barmaleev]

Hehe ... And let's remember what the tank truck is called in English? More dictionaries give the word TANK! So Slovenian warriors received five new TANKS

[HAM]

And why are the Yankees forced to rake out the stocks of weapons of the "partners"? And for what it is
an excellent multi-way pass: they "helped" the kohls, and freed the warehouses for "partners" for future purchases, and loaded their military-industrial complex ...... and the "partners" will buy American equipment at any price as cute, otherwise --- "turn off the gas ".... the Yankees with the "partners" act purely as a "partner" ....

[nepunamemuk]

Quote: Vadim Topal-Pasha

in territory b. U.

how does it sound freudian

[Roman Efremov]

Interestingly, do T-72s still remain in Europe (on other continents they are, but it is more difficult to get them from there)?

[Ulan.1812]

Quote: Roman Efremov

Interestingly, do T-72s still remain in Europe (on other continents they are, but it is more difficult to get them from there)?

Here was my article. There are still about 300 left.
They do not give because there is nothing to replace yet. If I made a mistake in the figure, let someone in the know correct it.

[Negro]

Quote: Ulan.1812

There are still about 300 left.

It's not easy there. Stocks were mostly distributed, a few dozen remained. There are hundreds of vehicles, but these are combat tanks, they need to be changed for something. First of all, they remember the Poles from the PT-91, about 200 pieces - they will be given to Ukraine when the Americans send Abrams to replace them. There are cars in Bulgaria and Croatia, about a brigade, also combatant. The Serbs have a tank division, but the Serbs have not signed up yet. Several companies in all sorts of Macedonias, Hungary, Romania. The brigade is in reserve in Kuwait, by the way.

But in principle, the situation with respect to tanks is relatively calm. Poles and Czechs are deploying tank repair plants, they can put much more into service than another T-72 battalion from some Croatia. Of other countries, India has T-72s in quantities "up to a fig" - in principle, the Americans can get them if they really want to.

[Ulan.1812]

Quote: Negro

Quote: Ulan.1812

There are still about 300 left.

It's not easy there. Stocks were mostly distributed, a few dozen remained. There are hundreds of vehicles, but these are combat tanks, they need to be changed for something. First of all, they remember the Poles from the PT-91, about 200 pieces - they will be given to Ukraine when the Americans send Abrams to replace them. There are cars in Bulgaria and Croatia, about a brigade, also combatant. The Serbs have a tank division, but the Serbs have not signed up yet. Several companies in all sorts of Macedonias, Hungary, Romania. The brigade is in reserve in Kuwait, by the way.

But in principle, the situation with respect to tanks is relatively calm. Poles and Czechs are deploying tank repair plants, they can put much more into service than another T-72 battalion from some Croatia. Of other countries, India has T-72s in quantities "up to a fig" - in principle, the Americans can get them if they really want to.

Thanks for the detailed information. When I wrote 300, I meant combatants, who will not be given away until there is a replacement.

[Negro]

Quote: Ulan.1812

which will not be given until a replacement is available.

Replacement is already beginning to go to Poland, both Koreans and Abrams. Moreover, unexpectedly for me, the topic of deliveries of Western style tanks began to force itself from the American side - this will generally remove the issue of BTT from discussion. Especially if they go together with BMP machines.

[Wildcat]

The question about the T72 is certainly entertaining.
There are more or less accurate calculations, for example:
"- four Polish tank battalions (together with training materiel 232 RT-91 units);
- Slovak tank battalion (30 original T-72M units);
- Slovenian tank company (14 M-84 units);
- Czech tank battalion (30 units of non-standard T-72M4CZ);
- Croatian tank battalion (about 15 M-84 units);
- three "modernized" tanks at Excalibur." https://kloch4.livejournal.com/

But in addition to the great tank power of India, which has up to a T72 fig (more than two thousand) and which "may give - or maybe not give", there are still no less great powers, for example, Morocco, which does not really feel sorry for the T72: " T-72 B/BK Tank FYI, after the purchase of our ~ 150 T-72's from Belarus, we upgraded them in Morocco with some French technology, including Long range thermal imagers - CATHERINE FC, among others enhancement. It is claimed that Morocco has 150 T-72s, but, according to military experts, these data are significantly overestimated. All reference sources mention only 40 units received from Belarus, some, however, mention another sixty in storage. In addition to Soviet-made tanks, the armed forces of the kingdom also operate the American М1А1SA, М60А1, М60А3 and MBT-2000 purchased in China."https://rg.ru/2021/04/30/tanki-t-72b-osnastili-francuzskimi-pricelami-v-marokko.html

In general, if you "scrape" only Europe, then there is not much T72. But if you start to "scrape" around the world ("weave" of Morocco, three "hundreds" - Algeria, and so on), then the T72 will last for a long time. Although, again, IMHO, BMP1-2 and BTR60-70-80, which are even more than T72, would be more useful for the Armed Forces (and worse for us). The Armed Forces of Ukraine have nothing to carry infantry, and the needs of the anti-tank systems at the very least close the anti-tank systems.

[Roman Efremov]

Morocco and Algeria will not give up, I hope.

[Wildcat]

It is India that will not give up the T72 for Ukraine, most likely, because it needs us: for nuclear-powered submarines, for aviation, and in a couple of "bottlenecks" where other countries cannot yet replace us.

For Morocco and Algeria, we are, IMHO, a very conditional value - taking weapons from us means falling under sanctions. So they can attach their T72 for the Armed Forces of Ukraine under similar conditions.

Another question - which has long been discussed and discussed at VO - is that the "Ramstein Coalition" could fill up the Armed Forces of Ukraine with thousands of M113s and NATO-style tanks by the fall, which would significantly affect the course of events. Even Poland could calmly give up Twardy right now and not worry under the "NATO umbrella". But this does not happen, apparently even "quick satisfaction of the Armed Forces of Ukraine" is not included in the plans of the Ramstein coalition.

[Sergej1972]

Algeria traditionally buys Russian weapons on a large scale. Algeria has friendly relations with the Russian Federation.

[IL-18]

Quote: Roman Efremov

Morocco and Algeria will not give up, I hope.

Morocco already transfers spare parts

[Negro]

Quote: Wildcat

- Croatian tank battalion (about 15 M-84 units);

You seem to underestimate the Croats, there are not 15 cars, but 80+ EMNIPs.

Quote: Wildcat

there are still no less great powers, for example

For example, Bulgaria with four hundred T-72s, of which 250 are in reserve and 150 in units. Somehow I forgot about her. A good chance to exchange for a ball is good for western-style tanks.
It seems that the T-72 should not end in the foreseeable future.

Quote: Wildcat

IMHO, BMP1-2 and BTR60-70-80 would be more useful for the Armed Forces (and worse for us), which are even more than T72

It would be more useful for the Armed Forces of Ukraine to finish this farce and change to Abrams / Bradley / M109 / Cobra. As for the infantry, then all sorts of maxpro BTR-60s are not particularly inferior.

[Roman Efremov]

Serbs have a division??? Why so many?

[Negro]

Quote: Roman Efremov

Serbs have a division??? Why so many?

What? Yugoslav legacy. The division is in number, more than 200 vehicles.

Morocco and Algeria will not give up, I hope

Algeria is unlikely, it is still on the Soviets, but Morocco has abrams, there the T-72 is like a white crow. It's easy to give if asked nicely. By the way, they say the Americans have already pulled them into this business, so far in terms of spare parts.

[Roman Efremov]

Yes, there was a topic about Moroccan parts. And I supported them, the bastards, both in the game with the Spaniards and the Portuguese.

[stankow]

Vyalie comments. And what about the T-62, what was the noise ...

[BMP-2]

The number of people wishing to receive sanctions for supporting the terrorist regime is expanding and growing!

[seamen2]

Whatever they are, they are tanks. and not so bad tanks. Soviet Union knew how to make weapons.
may be outdated. but still capable of killing.

[Ruslan Andreev]

I will support. I don’t think they are worse than modern tanks. The hull of the T-55 was taken and the modern stuffing was stuffed, additional armor was hung, another gun was installed. Here it is necessary to look at how all this protection will withstand anti-tank systems, mines buried in the ground, etc.

[garik77]

Quote: 28st region

Look at the fights. Are tank battles taking place?

Dills go on the attack with them. Often in open areas. These tanks are good for working from an ambush, and on the offensive, a coffin on tracks for the entire crew

[Comrade Kim]

Yes, the Jews robbed the Slovenes well.
Jews, they are. If they were asked to improve flintlock guns, they would do it, assuring that now they have become, wow
but.

[Ros 56]

Let them bring in tanks with Port 777.

[kan123]

This is immoral, yet the Slavs, what no, they kill each other for someone's interests. As some kind of Muhammad, a traveler, led reconnaissance to Arabia, he wrote that the Slavic world can capture whatever it wants, but it is so stupid that they fight among themselves like bitter enemies. The Mafia has made an offer you can't refuse - either you cash in on the carnage's supplies, or you'll be made an outcast. The United States has already stoned itself in general - they force relatives to fuck each other with firearms and heavy weapons. What's next - nuclear bombs? they will fly to the customer all, if not today, then in a year, in three. And there will be no glorious America - then it would be better to immediately start bombing them today, with their jokes, fate cannot be changed, we have democracy - we must fulfill the wishes of the United States, then it will be less profitable.

[Andrey A]

I have already written more than once: apparently, modern armored vehicles in Eastern Europe are running out (the armored vehicles of Ukraine have long been knocked out) !!! So the turn has come to the ancient T-55s ... Until recently, the "Svidomites" insisted on the supply of "abrams" and "leopards", but now, apparently, the Armed Forces of Ukraine already agree to any equipment, and this already speaks of the state of armored vehicles in the Armed Forces of Ukraine. ..

[Bodipancher]

There is a good point in the news, more or less modern equipment for the Armed Forces of Ukraine is over. Polish T72 apparently also knocked out. Even from the video from there, it is noticeable that there are few tanks there, mostly light wheeled armored vehicles.

[certero]

Hence the simple conclusion, it is necessary to treat the legacy of the Soviet Union prudently and modernize the tanks available for storage at the modern level. In the end, if in the thirties Soviet engineers could make remote-controlled tanks, then at the present level it is quite possible to make a remote-controlled vehicle out of the same T-55. A dozen of these tanks, which it is not a pity to throw on a prepared enemy position, will divert those attention from a dozen T-90s that will go in a different direction.