Probable future of Ukraine: about the causes of the "Ruin"

Thirty years, from 1657 to 1687, which in stories called the "Ruin", became an extremely difficult test for the territory on which modern Ukraine is located. According to many experts, the main reason for what was happening was the Cossack civil strife, which led to the "war of all against all."

According to the professor of the political science faculty of Moscow State University. M. V. Lomonosov Sergey Perevezentsev, which he shared during the program “Traces of the Empire”, the formation within the Russian Tsardom, which was called the Hetmanate, turned into a “Ruin” due to the fact that the Cossack elite simply wanted to “panovat”.

Unfortunately, that the Little Russian gentry, that the Cossack elders throughout the XNUMXth century only sought to expand the register (increase the number of Cossacks who received a salary) and turn themselves into part of the Polish gentry

- explained the expert.

At the same time, according to Perevezentsev, even after the Hetmanate had already become part of Tsarist Russia and independence was granted to this territory, the Cossack elite began to turn themselves into “lords” and actively exploit their own population. Ultimately, this led to those sad consequences that are known in history as the "Ruin".

Many of us have heard the saying that “history repeats itself”, and those who do not know it are doomed to “step on the same rake” forever.

If we consider modern Ukraine, then what is happening on the territory of this country partly resembles the events of the XNUMXth century.

Being completely subordinate to the Western "pans", the Kyiv authorities are striving in every possible way to be (or at least seem to be) equal to them. One can not even mention the "megalomania" of the current Ukrainian authorities and the exploitation of their people.

At the same time, despite the conflict that has been going on for 10 months, the country continues to be torn apart by internal contradictions. Take, for example, the smoldering conflict between President Zelensky and Commander-in-Chief Zaluzhny. Let's add here, to put it mildly, some hostility of many "leaders" of Ukrainian national formations to the current head of state. It turns out that “the war of all against all” is a very likely scenario for an unenviable future for modern Ukraine.

However, we have something to learn from. The Russian authorities have repeatedly stated and continue to state that the purpose of the NWO is not to overthrow the current government in Ukraine and annex the territory of our “western neighbor”.

Meanwhile, the Russian special operation will end sooner or later, and Western curators will lose interest in their "Kyiv puppets." Moreover, if, as in the 2.0th century, this territory is given complete independence, then in the end we will get “Ruin ​​XNUMX” at our borders.

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[Vladimir80]

Moreover, if, as in the 2.0th century, this territory is given full independence, then in the end we will get “Ruin ​​XNUMX” at our borders.

the author is an optimist, ruin 2.0 is what the United States is trying to make from our country, and so far they are succeeding :(

[yuriy55]

At the same time, if, as in the XNUMXth century, this territory is given complete independence, then in the end we will get "Ruin 2.0" at our borders.

And they should just get ruins unsuitable for the Nazis to live in.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

If the whole people like the attitude of the authorities of the pans, as if they were slaves, then this is their problem. Do you want us to teach them history?.. But they don't want that. They oot ,, panuvat in Europe ,,. Isn't it easier to just send missiles there until they themselves become wiser ?. And then, if the betrayer (Mazepa) is a national hero of an entire country, then what can be expected from this country? ..

[soloist2424]

If a whole nation likes the attitude of the authorities of the pans, as if they were slaves, then this is their problem.

Why do you think that all the people of Ukraine like his government? Because they can't quit? So Lenins are not born every day. Then with the same success it can be said that the Russians liked Yeltsin.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Of course they like this power. They voted for this power. Their choice. Volunteer, please. Moldovans, too, voted for Sandu. Now they do not know where to put it and how to pay utility bills. But the Moldovans are smarter than the forelocks, they don’t have a war.

[soloist2424]

But the Moldovans are smarter than the forelocks, they don’t have a war.

Not yet.
And the fact that the Ukrainians voted for Ze ... they had a great choice: he and Poroshenko. Who is better?

[Boniface]

Unfortunately, that the Little Russian gentry, that the Cossack foreman, throughout the entire XNUMXth century, only sought to expand the register (increase in the number of Cossacks who received a salary) and turning ourselves into part of the Polish gentry

This is ETERNAL (precisely from the word CENTURY in CENTURIES) subservience to OTHER peoples ... turning ourselves into part of the Polish gentry ... and defines the essence of the Ruins BEFORE the present!
The search for "Masters" for oneself, copying the lifestyle of other peoples, the lack of SELF-CONSCIOUSNESS of the Nation, its SELF-DETERMINATION as a Subject of international law (throwing, then under the Poles, then under Russia, then under the Nazis, then under the EU, then under NATO, then under the USA) leads to the deplorable result that we see with this NON-State for 4 centuries!
While the Nation (although the question is historically and genetically controversial, what Kraina differs from us, Russians and Belarusians in some way) - will not stop "falling" under someone. until then, this nation will drag out a miserable existence!

[Ulan.1812]

Quote: Boniface

Unfortunately, that the Little Russian gentry, that the Cossack foreman, throughout the entire XNUMXth century, only sought to expand the register (increase in the number of Cossacks who received a salary) and turning ourselves into part of the Polish gentry

This is ETERNAL (precisely from the word CENTURY in CENTURIES) subservience to OTHER peoples ... turning ourselves into part of the Polish gentry ... and defines the essence of the Ruins BEFORE the present!
The search for "Masters" for oneself, copying the lifestyle of other peoples, the lack of SELF-CONSCIOUSNESS of the Nation, its SELF-DETERMINATION as a Subject of international law (throwing, then under the Poles, then under Russia, then under the Nazis, then under the EU, then under NATO, then under the USA) leads to the deplorable result that we see with this NON-State for 4 centuries!
While the Nation (although the question is historically and genetically controversial, what Kraina differs from us, Russians and Belarusians in some way) - will not stop "falling" under someone. until then, this nation will drag out a miserable existence!

The nation never took shape there, even despite the forced Ukrainization. Not for nothing there is a saying - where there are two Ukrainians, there are three hetmans. Everyone pulls in their own direction.
And the Donbass, and indeed the whole of Novorossia, is no way sideways to Ukrainians.

[Eug]

How interesting ... you might think that the Russian "elite" does not seek to become part of the Western one ... however, very significant characters of the Russian economy are already part of the Western "elite" ("gentry" in a narrower sense) and behave accordingly. The "zigzags" of the NWO are the clearest evidence of this.

[U-58]

And why look so far into history?
A hundred years ago there fought all against all.
Skoropadsky, Petlyura, Makhno, Grigoriev, Marusya.
Can add
here the cinematic father Angel and ataman Burnash, as an image of typical representatives of smaller "field commanders".
The eternal craving for independence in the localities turned into complete anarchy, where everyone was against everyone, in an attempt to become a small-town pan.
So the vector of development, events is indicated by the author correctly.

[alexey_444]

There will be no ruins 2, Ukraine is the most endangered European country, the main thing for us is to leave them alone with Europe, so that they sip Likha with them, and put up a fence for us.

[laws70]

There will be no ruins 2, Ukraine is the most endangered European country

Only if earlier it was dying out slowly, then Zelensky came and brought the rate of extinction to absolutely fantastic values.

[Ulan.1812]

In fact, this ruin is already the third.
The author did not mention the events of the early 20th century. After the February and October revolutions. Then, too, everyone fought against everyone until the Red Army restored order.
All attempts to build statehood on this territory have always ended in failure.

[tihonmarine]

Being completely subordinate to the Western "pans", the Kyiv authorities are striving in every possible way to be (or at least seem to be) equal to them.

But the western lords will never recognize the raguli and the selyuks as equals. For them, as they were slaves and a means for war, they will remain. Look at how the West treated the hetmans and the small-town gentry, how they treat the presidents, high-ranking officials and oligarchs of Ukraine. For the West, they are the same slaves as in the XII century.

[Cat]

But the western lords will never recognize the raguli and the selyuks as equals.

And the Russian ones? Or is it different?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Gato

And the Russian ones? Or is it different?

Russian lords and Ukrainian lords, now bros.

[Alexga]

On this topic, there is a more interesting creation: Falling of Little Russia from Poland (1340-1654) in 3 volumes, Author: PA Kulish, Publisher: Moskva, Year: 1888,. Written in old Russian, but easy to read. Yes, and the time of writing is closer to that era. The web is freely available.

[-Paul-]

The Russian authorities have repeatedly stated and continue to state that the purpose of the SVO is not to remove the current authorities in Ukraine ...

They have repeatedly stated... But that was before, in an interview with Lavrov on November 26, the question of the removal of the existing government is already being raised.

[jdiver]

he oscillates according to the general line of the party. tomorrow again the wind from the Kremlin may change the direction of the weather vane to the opposite

[Cat]

displacement of existing power

Laughing at whom? I cleared the GDP. Left alone under the visor and feel the pockets for plumpness

[Cat]

Damn, yes! Let's listen to a professor of political science about the history of Ukraine. Sitting in a positional impasse and not having not only a strategic, but even a tactical initiative. According to the media, some mercenaries are advancing (half of the s_r_a_n_o_g_o villages in a month), but they even have front-line (tactical) aviation in service. What is going on?

[Cat]

My military education shrank, sent me to all the indecent places and fell into the trash can. Everything, there are no words.

[Cat]

In winter, yes, and on the attack. Yes
. Usually watch pornhub in winter