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PMCs against PMCs: the commander of the American mercenaries from the Mozart group said that they were a target for the Wagner PMC near Artyomovsk

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PMCs against PMCs: the commander of the American mercenaries from the Mozart group said that they were a target for the Wagner PMC near Artyomovsk

The founder of the American PMC "Mozart" (Mozart Group), Colonel of the US Marine Corps, retired Andrew Milbourne, spoke in an interview with a Newsweek journalist about the plight of both his own fighters and the militants of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the Donetsk front. Most of all, Milburn is frustrated by the actions of the Russian "colleagues" from the PMC "Wagner", who, according to him, are conducting a real hunt for the "Group Mozart" in the Artemovsk region (he himself calls the city Bakhmut).


In particular, the retired colonel complains about Yevgeny Prigozhin, who previously reported on his Telegram channel that American mercenaries arrived on the Donetsk front to take command of the badly battered units of the 4th Operational Brigade of the National Guard of Ukraine. On the same day, the Mozart Group website was subjected to a DDoS attack, and "Prigozhin's accusations were quickly picked up by several Russian media outlets."

Now there is no hotel in Donbas where we would be allowed to stay because they were told that we were a target

complained a retired Marine Colonel.

According to Milbourne, the Americans in Ukraine in the frontline zone are engaged exclusively in volunteer activities, helping to evacuate civilians, well, except that in their free time they instruct the fighters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine a little. The fact that "Mozart's fans" are involved in hostilities, the colonel called slander, saying that his group was created to carry out a humanitarian mission.

At the same time, Milbourne confirmed that he chose the name for his organization as opposed to PMC Wagner. They say that this was precisely the reason that the Russian "musicians" declared his fighters their priority target.

The ex-marine claims that there are no casualties among his fighters, only "a few light fragments from shrapnel." What can not be said about the militants of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Winter has turned an already inhospitable environment into a nightmare for the Ukrainian military fighting in Donbas, Milbourne said.

They suffer extremely high losses. The figures of 70 percent or more of killed and wounded Ukrainian soldiers in the Bakhmut area are not an exaggeration.

the colonel said.

At the same time, the replenishment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine takes place with untrained reservists, many of whom have never been in the hands of weapons didn't keep.

The Mozart volunteers themselves are sorely lacking in funding, the retired colonel lamented. Evacuation teams have a budget of about $2000 a week, and the entire Mozart project costs about $170 a month, according to Milbourne. At the same time, Western governments refuse to support the "humanitarian mission" of the Americans in the Donbas with money.

In this situation, Milbourne concludes, he is not sure that his group will be able to continue working in Ukraine next year. But even more than the lack of finances, the retired colonel is worried about the increased attention of the Wagnerites to his group.

We are in constant contact with Ukrainian intelligence and military officials about the growing threat posed by Wagner.

Milbourne said, adding that intelligence "is not always accurate and timely."
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  1. voice of reason
    voice of reason 8 December 2022 12: 06
    +36
    From how! We went hunting and became game! Well, that's what happens when you catch a bear. You catch him and he won't let you go....
    1. Chuck-norris
      Chuck-norris 8 December 2022 12: 38
      +21
      And why not have a go? They pay well, they will always let you out of captivity, Sean Pinner will not let you lie. A Russian oligarch will be delivered from captivity on a private plane, treated to elite alcohol and presented with an expensive smartphone. Story? Reality.
      1. Vend
        Vend 8 December 2022 12: 44
        +12
        According to Milbourne, the Americans in Ukraine in the frontline zone are engaged exclusively in volunteer activities, helping to evacuate civilians, well, except that in their free time they instruct the fighters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine a little.
        laughing laughing We know their peaceful activities laughing laughing
        1. 4ekist
          4ekist 8 December 2022 13: 03
          +4
          ..... Americans in Ukraine in the frontline zone are engaged exclusively in volunteer activities, help to evacuate civilians, well, except that in their free time they instruct the fighters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine a little.

          The key word here is frontline. In other areas, you know what.
      2. voice of reason
        voice of reason 8 December 2022 12: 48
        -7
        very good! You are a great trend follower. Surrender to the lads, here they will feed, heal, give an iPhone and let you go to Turkey. "everyone knows this" (c). The program worked great. More prisoners, weaker defense. You don’t have to die, you don’t have to endure hardships at the front, you need to be captured and sent to Turkey. Do you understand now that it worked both ways?
        1. Chuck-norris
          Chuck-norris 8 December 2022 13: 04
          +13
          Newspaper ad in the UK: "Recruitment of fighters to hunt Russians. The salary is excellent and daily. For each head of a Russian - 1 euros. If you are captured by the Russians, they will take you back to your homeland, giving you all kinds of gifts. And then back to hunting!"
          Impunity breeds permissiveness.

          Do you understand now that it worked both ways?


          And many mercenaries surrendered?
        2. Alexander Salenko
          Alexander Salenko 8 December 2022 13: 09
          +2
          And he doesn’t understand along the way that almost any weapon is double-edged. I didn’t think about your words, but exchanging a dugout for a sanatorium is an option, even if the sanatorium is not comfortable, they definitely won’t be killed there.
        3. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 8 December 2022 15: 27
          +2
          Quote: voice of reason
          very well!

          Distant opinion. According to you, you can go to shoot, kill Russians, and if they press you, surrender, and go back under the exchange program.
          What kind of work in both directions are you talking about? fool
        4. Argon
          Argon 9 December 2022 10: 00
          0
          Basically, it makes sense. Those who want revenge and blood on mercenaries also have the right to do so. The whole trick is that from the fact that a hunt has been announced for them and there will be no captivity, they only please them. This raises their "value" and naturally prices. Will not stop the flow of hunters if the price tags are higher. Unless it becomes a problem for Mr. Ze's budget. But even here it's not a problem. Yankees print papers like napkins
      3. Alexander Salenko
        Alexander Salenko 8 December 2022 13: 07
        +3
        They can let you out of captivity, but what if you get a fragment in the head? I accidentally watched one video, not an amateur, at one time I had seen enough, they unloaded the corpses of Ukrainians, and one of the lobeshniks was so specifically pierced when they pulled him out of the car to bury. part of his brain crashed onto the pavement. During a positional war, prisoners are not very many of them captured in large numbers in encirclements.
      4. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 8 December 2022 13: 53
        +2
        Quote: Chuck-Norris
        A Russian oligarch will be delivered from captivity on a private plane, treated to elite alcohol and presented with an expensive smartphone.

        With one small, small BUT - if lovers of classical music are not sent to the next world.
      5. Sith
        Sith 8 December 2022 21: 04
        +1
        Well ... you can only be captured according to the theory of probability ... and be a more expensive commodity ... than ordinary dill
      6. Barberry25
        Barberry25 9 December 2022 12: 05
        -2
        from Wagner? hardly .. there will rather be a leak of frames of the corpse of PMC Mozart
        1. Chuck-norris
          Chuck-norris 9 December 2022 12: 09
          -2
          from Wagner? hardly .. there will rather be a leak of frames of the corpse of PMC Mozart

          Rumors or personally observed more than once?
  2. dmi.pris1
    dmi.pris1 8 December 2022 12: 09
    +7
    You wanted this .. In the "musical" field to the accompaniment of artillery. To stand at the music stand .., ugh, the target
    1. avg
      avg 8 December 2022 12: 34
      +8
      I think it's self-promotion. Prigozhin has discipline, and the call to drop everything and catch the Mozarts will not work there, but of course if these “humanitarians” come across out of carelessness, well, like they stopped at the wrong hotel, how can you stay here ...
      1. poquello
        poquello 8 December 2022 13: 10
        +3
        Quote: avg
        I think it's self-promotion. Prigozhin has discipline, and the call to drop everything and catch the Mozarts will not work there, but of course if these “humanitarians” come across out of carelessness, well, like they stopped at the wrong hotel, how can you stay here ...

        with self-promotion, Mozart would not tell that he was an entomologist and came to catch butterflies
      2. Alexander Salenko
        Alexander Salenko 8 December 2022 13: 13
        +8
        No, of course, there, on the other side, the guys realized that this is not Iraq, but you can find out who is against you, let this colonel not crackle about volunteering. Mozart is a challenge to Wagner, so our musicians accepted this challenge, and then whining, oh, what our orchestra players are not good, moreover, from a military officer.
        Moreover, look, Prigozhin made his orchestra sound The very idea of ​​creating Mozarts already speaks of this.
      3. opposite28
        opposite28 8 December 2022 18: 50
        +1
        Especially when there are no identity documents on temporary registration on the territory of the Russian Federation. It is not surprising that certain measures of responsibility are applied to them with all the consequences ... winked
    2. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 8 December 2022 13: 20
      +4
      Quote: dmi.pris
      In the "musical" field to the accompaniment of artillery. Stand at the music stand ..,

      All these "Mozarts" - without exception "Paganini". And "Chopin" will come to them all.
      1. opposite28
        opposite28 8 December 2022 18: 52
        +1
        All these "Mozarts" - without exception "Paganini". And "Chopin" will come to them all.
        Solieri bully
      2. Crimean partisan 1974
        Crimean partisan 1974 9 December 2022 02: 23
        +1
        is that .. soon the Shestakoyichi will catch up with us and the Glazunovs and the Tchaikovskys ... the junta will be fun
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 8 December 2022 13: 59
      +1
      Quote: dmi.pris
      You wanted this..

      Romantic, exotic, all the best for Mozarts:
      1. Polite Moose
        Polite Moose 8 December 2022 14: 21
        +2
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Romantic, exotic, all the best for Mozarts:

        Orchestra pit, however.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 8 December 2022 14: 39
          0
          Quote: Polite Elk
          Orchestra pit, however.


          With a sign - "Only for american Mozarts!
  3. laws70
    laws70 8 December 2022 12: 11
    +28
    But even more than the lack of finances, the retired colonel is worried about the increased attention of the Wagnerites to his group.

    And what did he count on, I wonder, when he announced that their primary goal was the fighters from the “Wagner group”?
    1. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 8 December 2022 13: 28
      +9
      Quote from: laws70
      And what did he count on, I wonder, when he announced that their primary goal was the fighters from the “Wagner group”?

      They expected that there would be no "Bach" and they would not become "Mussorgsky" and they would not be rolled into "Glinka".
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 8 December 2022 14: 41
        +1
        Quote: Polite Elk
        They expected that there would be no "Bach" and they would not become "Mussorgsky" and they would not be rolled into "Glinka".

        They wanted Wagner, but they got Glinka and the grave.
  4. Zefr
    Zefr 8 December 2022 12: 11
    +15
    They hoped to travel from hotels to fight?
    1. laws70
      laws70 8 December 2022 12: 23
      +12
      They hoped to travel from hotels to fight?

      After breakfast we went - shot, returned for dinner. Then a warm bath with chamomile and love - carrots .. All under the contract.
      1. your1970
        your1970 8 December 2022 13: 47
        +1
        Quote from: laws70
        They hoped to travel from hotels to fight?

        After breakfast we went - shot, returned for dinner. Then a warm bath with chamomile and love - carrots .. All under the contract.

        In the 1990s, in some series, they went to look for a crashed plane with the owner in the jungle before lunch, then home for lunch ... Well, it’s a sin to look for the hungry ...
    2. Alexander Salenko
      Alexander Salenko 8 December 2022 13: 14
      +3
      He also frankly neighed from this, read it to his wife and neighed already in unison. Where the hell did they come?
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 8 December 2022 14: 45
      0
      Quote: Zefr
      They hoped to travel from hotels to fight?

      A cup of coffee in the morning and a glass of "Martel", and in the evening Olesya in bed.
      And between morning and evening, "a warm welcome from the fighters of PMC" Wagner ".
  5. kor1vet1974
    kor1vet1974 8 December 2022 12: 12
    +22
    In this situation, Milbourne concludes, he is not sure that his group will be able to continue working in Ukraine next year.
    Strike, have you tried it? laughing
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  7. laws70
    laws70 8 December 2022 12: 19
    +17
    ⚡️Americans from a certain PMC "Mozart" came to Ukraine, who call fighters from the Russian PMC "Wagner" their main opponents. They were noticed in the Bakhmut direction, the head of the Mozarts was retired Marine Colonel Andrew Milburn.

    In this regard, LIVE24 asked Yevgeny Prigozhin to comment on the news. The businessman said that "talking about the confrontation between Wagner and Mozart is somehow ridiculous." PMC "Wagner" adequately opposes the Ukrainian army, and it is a decisive force in this direction.

    “It so happened that Wagner PMC is the largest private army in the world and the most combat-ready. Therefore, no matter how they call themselves - “Mozarts” or “Salieri”, “Schuberts” or “Kirkorovs” - various military formations, in any case, this does not give them any strength, no advantages, nothing but hype.
    1. marswell
      marswell 8 December 2022 14: 19
      +6
      Now, if the "Kirkorovs" come out, but everything is like a selection in tights like Bedrosych's, then here, I'm afraid, it will be bad - the whole front will burst with laughter)))
  8. oleg-nekrasov-19
    oleg-nekrasov-19 8 December 2022 12: 20
    +6
    Quote: oleg-nekrasov-19
    "Right now there is no hotel in Donbas where they would let us stay because they were told we were a target." founder of the American PMC "Mozart" Andrew Milbourne
    Andrew, stop in the trenches and ceilings, you will be warmly welcomed there, even hotly.
    1. PlotnikoffDD
      PlotnikoffDD 8 December 2022 12: 28
      +4
      It is better to immediately accommodate in a comfortable and friendly minefield.
      1. oleg-nekrasov-19
        oleg-nekrasov-19 8 December 2022 12: 44
        +5
        there they place Ukrainians, their "younger brothers" wink
  9. Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira
    Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira 8 December 2022 12: 21
    +13
    "And we also restore destroyed flower beds, paint swings and call for peace ...."
  10. Uprun
    Uprun 8 December 2022 12: 23
    +5
    Ask the locals, there is one oldest and prestigious hotel in Kuev - "Baikovo", an area of ​​72,47 hectares, luxury "single" rooms, traditions from the Patriotic War of 1812.
  11. orionvitt
    orionvitt 8 December 2022 12: 24
    +4
    he chose the name for his organization as a counterbalance to Wagner PMC. They say that this was precisely the reason that the Russian "musicians" declared his fighters their priority target.
    What is your name? "Vasya". And you? "Me as opposed to Petya." So now you will be a priority target. laughing Kindergarten pants on the straps.
    1. Alexander Salenko
      Alexander Salenko 8 December 2022 13: 16
      +3
      So it is, we decided to measure our personal belongings. It's a common thing. why whine then?
      1. orionvitt
        orionvitt 8 December 2022 16: 16
        0
        Quote: Alexander Salenko
        decided to measure their personal belongings

        Not decided, but decided. And then he began to whine about insufficient funding.
    2. Andy_nsk
      Andy_nsk 9 December 2022 08: 40
      +2
      he chose the name for his organization as opposed to PMCs

      With their name, the newly-minted "musicians" actually declared: "I'm going to you!" - and what is now to be surprised that the Wagnerites do not leave them with their attention. As they say in circles connected with a part of the PMC personnel: "You need to answer for the bazaar!"
  12. Rage66
    Rage66 8 December 2022 12: 26
    +6
    Came to stay in a hotel and shoot a little? And then there soldier
  13. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 8 December 2022 12: 30
    +6
    "Mozart" said that they became a target for PMC "Wagner" near Artyomovsk
    Perhaps that is why information began to flicker in the media that Mozart was going to fade to warmer climes for the winter period.
  14. HAM
    HAM 8 December 2022 12: 33
    +5
    Here is a clear confirmation of the expression: "do not boast about going to the army .....", but after all, as he boasted a few weeks ago, and he chose the name as opposed to with a hint .... They do not have enough money ... that surprised me ... Probably, the "horn" was inserted into a well-known place by other "musicians" for a fake game ...
  15. Cananecat
    Cananecat 8 December 2022 12: 36
    +5
    In this situation, Milbourne concludes, he is not sure that his group will be able to continue working in Ukraine next year.

    The case when one is bursting with pride for ours ... and the Wagner PMC is overgrown with even greater legends and stories. There is such a team as the Moscow Virtuosi, and our PMC is the Russian Virtuosi.
  16. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 8 December 2022 12: 39
    +7
    What strange. Stormtroopers "Wagner" - probably the coolest fighters in the modern world. With combat experience and good equipment. Where are these going? On a safari?
    1. shinobi
      shinobi 14 December 2022 04: 47
      -1
      It’s like on a safari. They’re like Russian northern savages. Somewhere between blacks and Eskimos. As usual, we’ll come, shoot at our pleasure and back. Their history of such trips doesn’t teach anything. they know from Hollywood movies.
  17. art having
    art having 8 December 2022 12: 45
    +5
    At the same time, Milbourne confirmed that he chose the name for his organization as opposed to PMC Wagner.

    And why are you crying after that?
    1. Alexander Salenko
      Alexander Salenko 8 December 2022 13: 18
      +2
      Because they broke in the answer. snot wiped, and tears break through. I'm just with this news to the lantern I took up the tug, don't say that it's not hefty.
  18. Boniface
    Boniface 8 December 2022 12: 45
    +1
    good Actually, it was intended to be like this - to tear off the legs of the hands to the Nazis and Mozarts!
  19. dzvero
    dzvero 8 December 2022 12: 46
    +3
    they thought that in the Donbass, Russians eat tomatoes with pegs, but this is how it turned out ...
  20. Rage66
    Rage66 8 December 2022 12: 57
    +3
    I remember earlier they said that they had come to defeat the Wagnerites hi
  21. Bingo
    Bingo 8 December 2022 12: 58
    +4
    Volunteers, aphids ... At first they themselves yelled that they were already rolling out the whole Wagner group there, now they are whining - "oh-vey, these wild Russian humor do not understand and we, good ones, have been multiplied by zero"
    Clowns, mother ihu
  22. seamen2
    seamen2 8 December 2022 13: 00
    +8
    paraphrasing A. S. Pushkin.
    Before the dawn
    Wagner in a friendly crowd
    Leaving for a walk,
    Shoot gray mozarts
    Right hand to amuse,
    or a Pole in a hurry in the field,
    Ile head off with wide shoulders
    Cut off the Georgian
    Or etch from the forest
    ukrainian dunce,
  23. Zolotse
    Zolotse 8 December 2022 13: 37
    -1
    This "Mozart" was so cut that I burst into tears. Well, just a male compassionate ...
  24. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 8 December 2022 13: 39
    +1
    Now there is no hotel in Donbas where we would be allowed to stay because they were told that we were a target

    So the VAGnerites and Kadyrovites have already once stuck with the Hymars ....
  25. Slon_on
    Slon_on 8 December 2022 13: 42
    0
    It turns out that for every "Mozart" there is a "Salieri", in the sense of "Wagner"
  26. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 8 December 2022 13: 50
    -1
    Now there is no hotel in Donbas where we would be allowed to stay because they were told that we were a target


    Well, the minke whales "beguiled" completely, this is not Afghanistan or Iraq for you, there is a war here. "In the trenches dirty with water, here is your place to feed the lice!" In America and around the world you are an elite, and in Ukraine you are cannon fodder and pheasants ("Pheasant Hunters". Author: Adler-Olsen Jussi)
  27. marswell
    marswell 8 December 2022 14: 12
    +1
    How quickly they adopt suburban manners!!! We got a little bit of cabbage soup and already "What are we for ??? They don't let us sleep in hotels! Byada!!!"
  28. faterdom
    faterdom 8 December 2022 14: 21
    +2
    We don’t have a pillow, we don’t even have a blanket, we huddle together, we are close to each other, so that it becomes rosier ...
    In fact, these peppers, back in Bosnia, were supplying goods for black transplantation. From the task - to get fresh organs of the required assortment, organize delivery to the customer and get money. I think there are a lot of organs near Bakhmut, but Wagner wants to kill something - in those places there is a factor that greatly interferes with life. Until death.
  29. opposite28
    opposite28 8 December 2022 14: 58
    0
    We are in constant contact with Ukrainian intelligence and military officials about the growing threat posed by Wagner.
    I'm embarrassed to ask, in constant sexual contact ?! So to speak, the expansion of American LGBT traditions into the Ukrainian trenches?! Music from "Wagner" does not leave anyone indifferent to his work. laughing
  30. iouris
    iouris 8 December 2022 15: 14
    +1
    "Mozart" - it smacks of epigonism. And what immediately "Mozart"? There are also other composers: Krzysztof Penderecki...
  31. Normann
    Normann 8 December 2022 16: 22
    0
    used to fighting against the natives, but here, sometimes, there are the same, or even more serious
  32. katarsafebox.com
    katarsafebox.com 8 December 2022 18: 11
    0
    And now they brought a bad war ...



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  33. RVAPatriot
    RVAPatriot 8 December 2022 18: 50
    +1
    The Mozarts thought that Wagner would meet them with flowers??? I am amazed at the idiocy of such statements and complaints ... Damn warriors fool
  34. Beck69
    Beck69 8 December 2022 19: 22
    0
    Gene, Gene!!! I found boots!!
    Bring them here, Cheburashka!!
    I can't, there's a policeman in them...
    So shake it out!!!
    It doesn't work, he's holding me by the ears!!!
    Same with the Mozarts...
  35. Egeny
    Egeny 9 December 2022 05: 47
    0
    The Yankees are exclusively volunteers

    Damn, white and fluffy. Look who's Talking.
  36. Egeny
    Egeny 9 December 2022 05: 54
    0
    Milbourne... not sure if his band... will make it to next year.

    Well, not everything is carnival for the cat
  37. 41st region
    41st region 9 December 2022 07: 31
    0
    Sir Milbourne's speech in one sentence: "I'm not like that, I'm waiting for the tram..."
  38. Romanenko
    Romanenko 9 December 2022 08: 09
    0
    Quote: "the commander of the American mercenaries from the Mozart group said that they were a target for the Wagner PMC near Artyomovsk"
    You will be offended at home if you live, of course.
  39. Petr_Koldunov
    Petr_Koldunov 9 December 2022 10: 05
    0
    Naturally, only volunteer and exclusively humanitarian activities! This is not a unit of former marines and specialists at all - but a commune of pacifists on Volkswagen Transporter minivans painted in flowers ... They never shoot at anyone at all.
    Yes, they bombed Hiroshima with sacks of stew and rolls of toilet paper.
  40. Lyuba1965_01
    Lyuba1965_01 9 December 2022 17: 20
    0
    Mozart whining, of course, amused.
    But something else amused me more: American warriors, albeit under some kind of musical name, go to a warring country supported by their government to engage in humanitarian activities?
    Really funny: States and humanitarian activities.
    Their "humanitarian aid" in the form of cookies on the Maidan is still coughing up blood for Ukraine.
    So it's better to take anything from the enemy than any candy from the States: dangerous, however.
  41. wladimirjankov
    wladimirjankov 12 December 2022 20: 56
    0
    It is not yet known who is after whom. Recently they showed a private hotel destroyed by the Himars, in which the Wagnerites were stationed.
  42. shinobi
    shinobi 14 December 2022 04: 04
    0
    The colonel is lying like he is breathing. Inet remembers everything! He himself read the translation of his interview, where he said that PMC Mozart was being created as a counterweight to Wagner and threatened to tear it like an ace heating pad. And now they are volunteer evacuators! Very funny. peaceful activities. Looks like they specifically raked