"Dobrynya" - the killer of Russian unmanned aircraft

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"Dobrynya" - the killer of Russian unmanned aircraft
Photo by JSC "Obukhov Plant"



The fact that in today's Russian army the situation with reconnaissance and attack UAVs is simply shameful, probably, it is not worth saying. If it weren’t for the urgently bought Iranian drones, the situation would have become fatal. The Iranians really saved the situation, and not only with the help of "Shaheds", but also with controlled drones, which Ukrainians now call "Nelancet".



That is, they know the Russian "Lancets", and perfectly distinguish them from the "Nelancets", which are much more effective. That is, all that the Russian army has is a handful of Orlans, not very effective Lancets and imported drones. Well, what is bought in China and sent by citizens who have taken on supply issues on a voluntary basis.

So, Iran, China and Russia as backup dancers. It is very sad to observe all this, especially knowing that since the days of the Soviet Union, the development of radio-controlled models has been carried out, and has been very successful. More precisely, the principles were successful, the material and technical base failed. The Soviet Ostekhbyuro, with the help of Bekauri, Grokhovsky, Asafov, Mitkevich and many other designers, quite successfully developed teletanks, radio-controlled aircraft and boats.

And after the war, quite decent systems were created, the Americans sometimes really found themselves in the role of catching up.

How it all began


As an example: Tu-123 with the DBR-1 "Hawk" complex.


The complex was made on the basis of the Tu-121, a projectile with a nuclear warhead and a flight range of 4 km. In 000, the Hawk made its first flight, and a total of 1961 complexes were manufactured between 52 and 1964.

Tu-123 could fly at a speed of 2700 km / h (hello, air defense!) At an altitude of 19-22 km, a distance of 3-500 km, according to the programmed photo control of the earth's surface. And - importantly - to return back.

What's in the USA? And in the USA, something similar was created and brought to mind only in 1969. It was a complex consisting of a D-21B unmanned reconnaissance aircraft and an M-21 carrier aircraft, which was created on the basis of the A-12 aircraft, the progenitor of the famous Blackbird SR-71.


D-21B



A-12

The M-12, built in a single copy, was eventually destroyed by the Americans, the D-21B was converted to launch from the B-52. But the operation of the aircraft was also very short: satellites were cheaper than a titanium aircraft. In addition, the D-21B signed its own death warrant on its first sortie to film China's Lop Nor nuclear test site. The failure of the program led to the fact that the UAV did not turn around, but flew further ... to the USSR! And he fell, a little before reaching Baikonur.

The gift was accepted and the Raven reconnaissance complex was created on the basis of the D-21B.


But these are strategic intelligence officers, a separate issue. And if you look lower and easier, where today we have a complete collapse?

The only thing we can talk about is the very strange UAVs "Bumblebee" and "Bee". They were developed in the early eighties of the last century by the Yakovlev Design Bureau.


UAV "Bee"

At the time of their appearance, "Bumblebee" and "Bee" were quite world-class. In general, there are suggestions that the Yakovlev Design Bureau simply pushed off from the American Akila UAV, the dimensions and performance characteristics of the devices were very similar.


UAV "Aquila"

But when the "Bee" was adopted in 1997, it was no longer very relevant, although it performed its duties in Chechnya. According to reviews, the picture was very so-so, but, as they say, pike cancer will also go to the lack of fish.


This year, at the end of November, in the pavilions of VDNKh, the Aeronet-2035 exhibition was held almost unnoticed. More than 130 organizations participated, which demonstrated 170 developments in the field of unmanned aviation.



Our time


Results? Yes, none. This is not the "Army ...", where multimillion-dollar contracts are signed without fail, this is just an exhibition of those who care about the fact that in Russia there is nothing with unmanned aircraft.

Although much of what was shown at the exhibition, you can simply take and run on the conveyor. But this is a separate issue, which will be discussed in more detail below.

In the meantime, it is worth considering the issue in the light of how reconnaissance with UAVs generally works in modern conflict.

The U.S. reconnaissance drones RQ-4 "Global Hawk" work for the Armed Forces of Ukraine.


And they have been working for a long time. Departing from the airfield of the Sigonella base in Sicily (Italy), the Hawks have been flying for eight years over the Black Sea and along our borders from Georgia to Belarus.

Russia does not have such machines and is not even expected yet. There have been developments, since 1986, two rivals to the Global Hawk have been developed in the USSR at once: in the Myasishchev Design Bureau, the M-62 Eagle turboprop UAV, and in the Sukhoi Design Bureau, the S-62 Rhombus on turbojet engines. But in the early 1990s, both projects were closed "due to insufficient funding."


UAV M-62 "Eagle"


UAV S-62 "Rhombus"

In our time, the Sokol Design Bureau has developed a very promising device that could become the Russian answer to the Hawk. We are talking about "Altius", which could well become a rival to the MQ-9 "Reaper" and RQ-4 "Global Hawk".


However, the work that has been going on since 2011 cannot see a natural end in any way, and therefore we do not have strategic long-range reconnaissance UAVs.

Since the nineties, various unmanned aerial vehicles have been regularly exhibited at Zhukovsky at MAKS. Dozens of developments. Hundreds. In addition to the "Bee", which saw small-scale production, all projects were not in demand.

The Aeronet-2035 exhibition was held on November 22-27 this year. Showed 170 developments. One can only guess how many of them will not be needed by either the army or the fleet.

By the way, the incomparable Russian Navy is the only fleet in the world (if you do not take fleets like Somalia) among serious countries that do not have unmanned vehicles in service.

But the Americans equipped drones everything that is possible. Even battleships. Yes, the battleships participating in the Second World War, Missouri and Wisconsin, received the RQ-1987 Pioneer UAV back in 2, and moreover, they were simply gorgeously used in the Persian Gulf War in 1990-91. Drones corrected the fire of naval artillery and engaged in confirmation of defeats.

Today, the fleets are being equipped at a very decent pace. The decks of ships are conquered by the S-100 UAV, developed and manufactured by the Austrian company Schiebel with the participation of the German company Diehl BGT Defense.


USA, Italy, Germany, Austria, France, China, India… Mozambique, damn it! More than two dozen countries are already equipping their warships with an Austrian drone.

Russia has assembled 30 S-100s as part of a joint project between OAO Gorizont from Rostov-on-Don and Shibel.


And that's all, more "Horizon Air S-100" will not be produced, because the sanctions.

But in 1993 (!!!) our Ka-37 was shown at MAKS. Unmanned helicopter.


15 years before the advent of the Austrian Kamkopter, we had our own (well, almost our own) unmanned helicopter project. The South Korean company DHi took part in the creation, but South Korea, as a partner, is simpler than Austria and Germany. In 1996, the Ka-37 received a more powerful engine and the name Ka-37S, and again exhibited at MAKS.

And that is all. History ended.

In 2016, the story of Pterodactyl, a drone for tank "Armata". Many media (including us) seriously discussed the capabilities of "Armata" when using "Pterodactyl"making predictions...

Yes, everything looked good: the UAV on two cables, information and power, rises to a height of up to 90 meters and from there surveys the battlefield, points the gun. Moreover, he is not at all afraid of electronic warfare systems. In 2017, the device was supposed to be tested.

Where is Pterodactyl? Approximately in the same place as the "Armata", a little further in the space-time continuum.

And the world does not stand still. The world is moving forward and improving. And now in China in August 2020, the first commercial flight of unmanned aerial vehicles was made. Commercial - it means for the delivery of goods. Yes, the flight lasted one hour. And the distance was not great, but a drone was flying!


UAV Feihong 98 (FH-98), created on the basis of a light multi-purpose aircraft Shifei Y5B, which, in turn, is a licensed copy of the Soviet aircraft An-2. Patriots may pout with pride, but where are our planes like that? FH-98 drags one and a half tons of cargo at a speed of 180 km / h for a distance of up to 1200 km. Can we repeat? I doubt.

But we are worn with the unfortunate "Hunter". They created it for more than 10 years, somehow built two samples, one was taught to fly. In August 2020, the media reported that the S-70 would go into production in 2023. But something tells me that this will not happen for many reasons, the main of which is its complete worthlessness.

The practice of the war in Ukraine has shown that in the case of unsuppressed air defense, conventional aircraft have nothing to catch in the sky, despite the possibility of maneuvering and using traps and other tricks. Shoot down. And a 25-ton iron, which does not know how to do anything from active protection, will be shot down even more so.

However, the S-70 was supposed to be used in tandem with the Su-57. And the presence of the Su-57 in the troops is also not a matter of tomorrow or the day after tomorrow. Plus, there is no data on the cost of the device, even approximately. Most likely, it will be such that it will be so unprofitable to seriously use such a device to perform combat missions that the "Hunter" will be sent to where all our "unparalleled" "Armata", "Coalitions", "Boomerangs", "Kurgans" and other PAK FA and PAK DA. For exhibitions and parades.

"Dobrynya"


Now let's move on to Dobrynya. And to why he is called the killer of domestic unmanned aircraft in the title.


The scandal around "Dobrynya" and "Gorynych" has not yet subsided, on the contrary, more and more new faces are joining it, such as the son of our well-known space specialist Dmitry Rogozin, for example.

The bottom line is that a number of state-owned and not-so-state media such as NTV and Channel 5 misled Russian citizens, that is, they lied, telling that:

“In St. Petersburg, at the Obukhov plant, they began to produce Dobrynya drones made from Russian components.

It took the specialists of the Almaz-Antey Concern just four months to launch the mass production of quadrocopters practically from scratch. In Russia, they were produced before, but in St. Petersburg they created production exclusively from domestic components - from bolts and cogs to software.

Knowledgeable people immediately figured out that "Dobrynya" is not exactly "Dobrynya", but in general "Nazgul". A character from a completely different story.


The Flight Nazgul5 Evoque is a racing drone with a very low resolution camera. And, most importantly - completely unsuitable for the delivery of any cargo.

But if Comrade Captain said that crocodiles fly...

“In general, the scope of Dobrynya is unusually wide: sports, geo-prospecting of the area, delivery of medicines to hard-to-reach places. In this case, the weather factor will not matter. It is possible to fly in the rain and in cold weather"

In general, our army is suffocating from the lack of normal UAVs for the same artillery, from which Russian artillerymen work according to the canons of the First World War. But nobody cares. I don’t know what kind of “geological exploration” can be carried out on a sports drone with a 720p camera. And how to deliver something on a device that does not even have a return system in case of loss of communication.

I am already silent about the unencrypted control signal.

“Before the end of the year, more than a thousand copies of Dobrynya will be manufactured.

Here you have to huddle in a patriotic hysteria “Well, how do you like it, Elon Musk”, right? But alas, something does not pull.

Alexei Dmitrievich Rogozin stood up for Almaz-Antey, admitting, however, that

"Dobrynya" is indeed not a fully domestic quadcopter." However, he argues, this is “far from a copy of Chinese products”

Here I agree with Rogozin Jr. This is far from a copy of a Chinese product, more precisely, NOT EVEN a copy. This is a Chinese product with a casing wrapped around it. Let's not talk about the sudden development of the production of electric motors and microcircuits, okay?

All in one call: "Stop lying to us!".

"Dobrynya" is a treacherous and criminal attempt to drank the budget by sucking in the army of a racing drone that is completely unsuitable for military purposes. Another toy for a lot of money.

With regards to Gorynych, most likely, everything is exactly the same: a Chinese hex was bought and a casing and dragon muzzles were simply printed on a 3D printer for it. They are, of course, very important. Perhaps they hide the label "Made in China" or something else equally important.


But what is the main thing here? And most importantly - the price.

Flight Nazgul5 Evoque cost a little more than 7 thousand rubles on December 34th.


True, without a remote control and battery. The RadioMaster TX12 remote control is another 6 thousand rubles, the battery (well, two) - another 6 thousand. The total set comes out at 46 thousand rubles.

Almaz-Antey declares a cost of 130 thousand. Subtract the printing of the casing from here or add to the cost and even round up to 50 thousand. There are branded stickers and all that.

And anyway, it turns out that from each copter Almaz-Antey will have 80 (eighty thousand) rubles.

A thousand copters by the end of the year? 80 x 000 = 1 rubles. Eighty. Million. Rubles. That's really, "study, student." And the prospect of having so many every month on toys that are completely unnecessary for the army.

Where will the fighters go? They'll take it. And yes, they will be grateful. Because such a shitty drone is better than nothing at all.

Benefactors in general.

Now do you understand why these crafts and toys from China will go to the army under the guise of normal equipment? Because they bring not even money - AMOUNT to those who can snatch from the budget.

And therefore, no semi-private design bureaus that want to make the equipment of today or tomorrow will receive a penny for the implementation of their projects. Don't earn money on them. You can only lose on them. But to buy in China, cover up where you need unnecessary and sell as your own - this is always welcome with us.
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  1. +21
    9 December 2022 05: 22
    Our top managers screwed up with Dobrynya, of course, to the fullest .. Well, it’s necessary
    1. +93
      9 December 2022 05: 39
      Everything is solved, it is only necessary to make the ending of the life of one or several top managers near the wall normal, things will immediately get off the ground, and if in the contract, when hiring, it is mandatory to prescribe the wall, then in general we will not notice the boundaries of perfection.
      1. +34
        9 December 2022 06: 37
        I can't help but agree. I read such, perhaps, a legend that when Margolin invented a pistol, no one took him seriously. Because the author was blind. But the pistol fell on the table to Beria, and he was surprised at the accuracy of his fight. The situation was resolved as soon as possible. Probably, whoever needs it sat down, and the country received a wonderful sports pistol.
        1. +27
          9 December 2022 12: 46
          Ivan the Terrible and Malyuta Skuratov, Peter-1 and Fedor Yurievich, Comrade Stalin and Lavrenty Palych.
          The tandem of a strong ruler and a strong honest "Security Service" in Rus' has always been successful and moved the country forward with a jerk.
          The country really lacks the glory and methods of Lavrenty Palych. The service of Alexander Vasilyevich is rather soft in our country. How could Chubais be allowed to escape from the country? Yes, and the SVO is such a great reason to shake up the entire military industry, having jailed a third of the leadership for theft (and there are at least half of the thieves, since the same Lancets began to be used en masse only in September). We don't have Lavrenty Palych now.
          1. +21
            9 December 2022 20: 08
            Without Comrade Stalin there will be no Lavrenty Palych
            1. +5
              9 December 2022 22: 11
              Quote: KERMET
              Without Comrade Stalin there will be no Lavrenty Palych

              That's right.
              But even without Lavrenty Palych, the achievements of the USSR under Stalin would have been much more modest.
              1. -7
                9 December 2022 23: 33
                FoBoss_VM (Ivan)
                Today, 05:22
                NEW
                +11
                Our top managers screwed up with Dobrynya, of course, to the fullest .. Well, it’s necessary

                It hasn't even been 6 minutes
                "Dobrynya" - the killer of Russian unmanned aircraft
                Today, 05:16
                , and you not only managed to read, but also comment. Enviable speed) bully
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                According to the text, perhaps I will highlight this
                "Dobrynya" is a treacherous and criminal attempt to drank the budget by sucking in the army of a racing drone that is completely unsuitable for military purposes. Another toy for a lot of money.

                It seems that someone wants to cut budget money himself, and that's drowning a competitor. bully
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                In Turkish Bayraktar, only Turkish plastic and paint. Yes
                And nothing, do not howl.
                1. +7
                  10 December 2022 09: 01
                  In Turkish Bayraktar, only Turkish plastic and paint

                  And whose complex of guided weapons, you may ask? Does anyone also sell the OLS "Aselsan CATS" to them?
                  And nothing, do not howl.

                  And that Bayraktar is a copy of some kind of civilian drone, which does not at all meet the requirements for vehicles of this class, and also for an overprice?
                  1. -8
                    10 December 2022 11: 30
                    Aselsan
                    The results of its activities are more than modest.
                    Turkey is a NATO member country and as a NATO member can have access to some western technologies.
                    Turkey still cannot produce its own aircraft or tanks - not to mention microelectronics technologies and space technologies.
                    If there are no technologies (and there are none, otherwise their products would appear in other industries), then where can the products of these technologies appear in Bayraktar?
                    That's right, from where the technology is, i.e. from the West.

                    It can be said that Aselsan products play a minor role in Bayraktar.
                  2. -2
                    10 December 2022 13: 04
                    and this OLS is completely Turkish? something tells me that upon closer examination it turns out that it is made from the same European or Chinese components. but among the Turks this is normal and welcomed. domestic components .. and without a guarantee of purchases of large quantities for at least 2 years .. sorry, but everything has a payback and the creation of such an UAV without a guarantee of purchases is a quick way of economic suicide
                    1. +3
                      10 December 2022 14: 54
                      Bayraktar was designed in Turkey, it is a fact that it uses foreign-made components, but putting together and issuing an effective sample is also hard engineering work. These are different things, collecting car kits and building something from scratch, albeit using foreign technologies. If Diamond-Antey had announced the price of 70 thousand rubles for a complete set, I would have had no questions for them, well, yes, a screwdriver assembly, well, yes, the overprice is small, which, however, can be explained, but 180 ...
                      1. -1
                        10 December 2022 16: 30
                        but compiling and producing an effective sample is also hard engineering work
                        "Compose" ? and what's so complicated about it - this is not the first UAV, both the United States and Israel have already produced them for decades.
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                        Also at the expense of the layout, or rather Selcuk Bayraktar.

                        And where did this boy prodigy come from?
                        "After graduating from high school at the famous Robert College in Istanbul, he received his bachelor's degree from Istanbul Technical University in 2002. Having received an offer from University of Pennsylvania undergo an internship at the GRASP laboratories, continued his studies there, obtaining a master's degree from this university, and also Massachusetts Institute of Technology, and subsequently a PhD from the Georgia Institute of Technology.

                        Having mastered the basics of designing unmanned aerial vehicles in the United States, Selçuk Bayraktar applied his knowledge by returning to his homeland in 2007 and becoming Turkey's first developer of attack and reconnaissance drones."

                        Studying in the USA (and even by invitation) is an extremely interesting fact. Most of the foreigners studying in the USA are associated with the CIA and these connections further help them in their careers - i.e. some invisible hand helps them.
                        Well, let's say it helps to gain access to technologies, or to important components. Those. get a good product.
                        Well, let's say they somehow help to remove bureaucratic barriers - you can somehow get married very successfully.

                        ... And suddenly and suddenly, in these torments and sufferings of Turkey
                        In 1996, Ankara first bought six GNAT-750 reconnaissance drones from the American company General Atomics. However, they did not perform well. It took about 20 minutes to film the area, transfer data, analyze them in the command center and make a decision - during this time, the Kurdish detachments managed to disappear from sight even before the military arrived on the spot.

                        After the failure of the GNAT-750, Ankara made another attempt by ordering 10 Heron-class UAVs from Israel in 2006. Here, too, she was disappointed: due to disagreements between the parties, the delivery was delayed for five years, and the received models came with defective reconnaissance systems.


                        ran out, Selçuk appeared with a good product (for some reason, completely consisting of imported (!!!) accessories)
                        What luck, before that Turkey was screwed up, but for Selçuk, all of a sudden. Why would suddenly?
                        Well, so that competitors do not interfere
                        "In May 2016, Selcuk Bayraktar married Sumeyya Erdogan, the youngest daughter of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

                        After that, the Bayraktar UAV received a green light.
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                        That is why it seems that if Selcuk loses influence on Erdogan (influence is in the interests of the CIA), Bayraktary will immediately lose all its components and the fairy tale will end quickly.
                2. 0
                  10 December 2022 11: 59
                  Quote: flicker
                  In Turkish Bayraktar, only Turkish plastic and paint.

                  It's not like that at all. Fairy tales, designed for cheers-patriots, without critical thinking.
                  The Turkish strike UAV Bayraktar TB-2 consists of 93% of domestic technology.
                  https://vk.com/wall-46362087_455406
                  1. 0
                    10 December 2022 14: 55
                    Stopudovo, of course, no kickbacks Yes
                  2. +2
                    10 December 2022 15: 03
                    This cannot be, the Turks definitely do not make optics and microcontrollers, I think 60% of them are imported there. The question is what does 60% mean? By quantity, by value?
                  3. +2
                    10 December 2022 15: 38
                    The Turkish strike UAV Bayraktar TB-2 consists of 93% of domestic technology.

                    Photo cannot be placed, text
                    Bayraktar TB2 is equipped with a 100-horsepower gasoline engine "Rotax 912" from the famous Austrian company Rotax (full name Bombardier-Rotax GmbH, which in turn is part of the Canadian company Bombardier).

                    On Bayraktar TB2 and other Baykar Makinası models, it is mainly used Canadian-made L-3 WESCAM CMX-15D camera, which includes a laser guidance system.

                    Bayraktar TB2 is equipped with MAM-L high-precision air-to-surface MAM-C anti-tank missiles manufactured by the Turkish company Roketsan. MAM-L is based on another Roketsan product, UMTAS.

                    Missiles OMTAS և UMTAS Roketsan joint production with the German company TDW. The German company developed the warheads and licensed them to Turkey. A Defenseturk specialist confirmed that the warheads are manufactured by the German company TDW.

                    Satellite communication systems TB2 are also imported from overseas, in particular from the USA. "The American company Viasat, which supplies the systems, has also announced that it is suspending supplies to Turkey after American Armenians held a peaceful demonstration in front of the company's office for two days." This was also funny - Ken Peterman, Viasat's public relations manager, said the company did not know what Turkey was using its technology for, and promised to contact the US Department of Defense and demand an explanation of how Turkey uses these technologies.

                    The American company GARMIN (location: Diamond Bar, California), one of the leading manufacturers in the field of navigation devices, supplies navigation receivers for this Bayraktar TB2 UAV using model GARMIN GNC 255A (cost $4495).
                    1. -1
                      10 December 2022 17: 12
                      All this is quite debatable. The Turks were able to localize or replace something, like optics, for example. And how to determine the licensed production? But this is one thing:
                      Quote: flicker
                      MAM-L air-to-surface class MAM-C produced by a Turkish company ROKETSAN

                      does not allow you to claim that the Turkish in Bayraktar is paint and plastic.
                      It seems to me that Bayraktar Hayat is in Russia only because we are lagging behind in the production of UAVs, and there is no desire for "some" Turks to look like outsiders in this area. Moreover, in addition to Bayraktar, Turkey has a whole line of UAVs for every taste and color.
                      1. +3
                        10 December 2022 18: 08
                        does not allow you to claim that the Turkish in Bayraktar is paint and plastic
                        You are an interesting reader.
                        Then one more time
                        Missiles OMTAS և UMTAS Roketsan joint production with the German company TDW. The German company developed the warheads and licensed them to Turkey. Defenseturk specialist confirmed that the warheads are produced by German company TDW.
                      2. 0
                        10 December 2022 18: 25
                        Quote: flicker
                        warheads manufactures German company TDW

                        There are some other parts in the rocket besides the warhead.
                        At the beginning of the production of Bayraktarov, it is quite possible that there was nothing Turkish. But at the moment, a significant part of the components is produced in Turkey. Whether under a license or jointly - is not the point. The Turks are well aware that dependence on other countries in the military sphere is a very unpleasant thing. Moreover, they have been repeatedly blackmailed by Western countries.
                      3. 0
                        12 December 2022 00: 54
                        In general, a warhead is a really high-tech thing, it’s not so difficult to launch a missile of this class, but here’s the guidance module ... here you need to have the production of microelectronics, which the Turks hardly have, but paint and plastic are, of course, too much in assessing the Turkish contribution, I’m talking about this also wrote above.
                      4. +1
                        17 December 2022 22: 05
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        Bayraktar hayat in Russia only because we are lagging behind in the production of UAVs, and there is no desire for "some" Turks to look like outsiders in this area.

                        We lagged behind not only "in this area" from the Turks. In engineering and equipment manufacturing, in general, complete opa! When 25-30 years ago scrap metal was shipped via steamers through Novoross, we laughed at the Turks and rejoiced that the rubbish was being taken away. Under this bait, we sawed the last thing that somehow still worked, and now we grab our heads when we need to buy machine tools and centers for our production, which is trying to revive.
                        We buy lousy compact gear motors from the Turks.
                        All this is a consequence of the menager ideology - like, we have dofiga petrodollars, we will snap our fingers and they will bring everything to us! Yes
                  4. 0
                    10 December 2022 22: 49
                    Quote: Hyperion
                    Quote: flicker
                    In Turkish Bayraktar, only Turkish plastic and paint.

                    It's not like that at all. Fairy tales, designed for cheers-patriots, without critical thinking.
                    The Turkish strike UAV Bayraktar TB-2 consists of 93% of domestic technology.
                    https://vk.com/wall-46362087_455406

                    Yes, completeness to you. You give a link to a Turkish source, which, a priori, will blow for Turkey, even if it is not even a bayraktar, but an ordinary frying pan. Maybe something in terms of "brains, optics and on-board computer" was washed down from Turkish developments (although they also consist of 90% Chinese and Taiwanese components), but otherwise the assembly of the device is highly dependent on the whims of the "allies".
                    1. +1
                      11 December 2022 12: 17
                      Quote: Nyrobsky
                      Yes, completeness to you. You give a link to a Turkish source, which, a priori, will blow for Turkey

                      Well, yes. What source do you get your information from? It seems that the truth is somewhere in the middle. And at this stage, there is more Turkish in Bayraktar than "paint and plastic." The photo you posted has been floating around the net since the beginning of production. And in the beginning, everything was really made from foreign components.
                      In any case, unfortunately, we can only dream of the UAV nomenclature that Turkey has. And not only in single and design copies, but also in mass production.
                      1. +1
                        11 December 2022 12: 42
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        Well, yes. What source do you get your information from?
                        Yes, in fact, only from those available on the Internet, as well as you do not have access to the developer's documentation.
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        It seems that the truth is somewhere in the middle.
                        Then let's agree on 50% x 50% and forget about pictures and 93%!!! laughing drinks
                  5. +1
                    15 December 2022 16: 21
                    Quote: Hyperion
                    The Turkish strike UAV Bayraktar TB-2 consists of 93% of domestic technology.

                    A very tragic example of a managerial - according to Chubais-Gaidar-Oligarchs -\u93e modern bureaucratic approach to technology and technology. Even if the figure "presence of domestic technologies" in the final product is indicated correctly (and in XNUMX% of cases it is false fellow - just like the size of a fish caught by a fisherman Yes ) - then this USUALLY means that it is precisely without these 7% of foreign components (technologies) that this product WILL NOT BE PRODUCED IN THE HOMELAND UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES. This is called simply and inevitably: the unavailability of just one KEY TECHNOLOGY (detail). The simplest common sense example: a lock and a key. Any heaped-up lock, weighing half a ton and made of precious metals at a domestic factory on completely domestic machines and according to domestic technological maps, WILL IMMEDIATELY BECOME EXPENSIVE JOB if it is impossible in the homeland to produce a key to it from a copper alloy weighing a five-kopeck coin. This is exactly what we have now - in our Fatherland. Only slightly better than the Turkish industry. Oranges in Turkey are still excellent, along with apples. As for advanced technology, so far it is a little worse than in Russia. So far, our Chubais managers have not reached all the Russian enterprises with their "reforms".
                3. 0
                  12 January 2023 12: 20
                  I would generally advise you to find out who the author is before reading and when signing below -
                  Roman Skomorokhov-
                  just don't read. He has only half the truth in his articles, the second is a lie. And often not truth and not lies, but sheer incompetence. Who is in the subject, he knows it well. And it all comes down to one thing - the government is to blame.
                  It may be worth showing an example to this citizen and just go to the Kremlin or the Ministry of Defense for an appointment with Shoigu and tell everything and show what and how. Why crush the water in vain.
                4. -1
                  31 January 2023 19: 21
                  Quote: flicker
                  FoBoss_VM (Ivan)
                  Today, 05:22
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                  +11
                  Our top managers screwed up with Dobrynya, of course, to the fullest .. Well, it’s necessary

                  It hasn't even been 6 minutes
                  "Dobrynya" - the killer of Russian unmanned aircraft
                  Today, 05:16
                  , and you not only managed to read, but also comment. Enviable speed) bully
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                  According to the text, perhaps I will highlight this
                  "Dobrynya" is a treacherous and criminal attempt to drank the budget by sucking in the army of a racing drone that is completely unsuitable for military purposes. Another toy for a lot of money.

                  It seems that someone wants to cut budget money himself, and that's drowning a competitor. bully
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                  In Turkish Bayraktar, only Turkish plastic and paint. Yes
                  And nothing, do not howl.


                  Only dviglo and exchange rate stabilization system
              2. 0
                10 December 2022 04: 11
                So how much HE went through them to the right. Truth and responsibility they had up to EXCLUSIVE. And now....
              3. -1
                12 December 2022 08: 48
                YOU forgot about Yezhov, without him there would be no Lavrenty Pavlovich. The USSR had two scenarios. This was the continuation of the NEP and Industrialization and the Curtailment of the NEP and Industrialization. Stalin chose the toughest and most inhuman second stage. The result is widespread outbreaks of famine. The biggest mistake that led the USSR to the collapse is the complete liquidation of private business and the attempt of the state plan to regulate all aspects of life. What later Dausiapin refused and began a phased modernization of industry and the state along the path of accelerated industrialization. What we all admire now.
                1. +2
                  12 December 2022 10: 38
                  The USSR had two scenarios. This was the continuation of the NEP and Industrialization and the Curtailment of the NEP and Industrialization. Stalin chose the toughest and most inhuman second stage.

                  In fact, the continuation of the NEP would be an even worse mistake. As a result of the NEP, crops did not grow in the countryside, but social stratification returned everywhere, and in the worst case scenario. Merchants and all.
                  The biggest mistake that led the USSR to collapse was the complete liquidation of private business

                  Under Stalin, private business was not curtailed. There were artels, private craftsmen, etc. Even the state order could be placed in private workshops. The curtailment of private business took place under Khrushchev.
                  1. -2
                    12 December 2022 11: 05
                    As a result of the NEP, crops did not grow in the countryside, but social stratification returned everywhere, and in the worst case scenario.

                    You rub it on the great-grandson of a man who was dispossessed of kulaks, his family was left to die of starvation out of 12 children, only 3 survived. From whom they took away their only horse, the only cow they raked out the entire barn at the beginning of winter and left to die yesterday’s loafers and drunks who became communists sharply. Which, in the time of Khrushchev, slaughtered all the cattle in order to fulfill the plan and once again drove their villagers into hunger in order to fulfill the plan, raked out the weight of the grain. And this is an efficient economy in your opinion.

                    The curtailment of private business took place under Khrushchev.
                    Do you really believe in it.
                    1. +2
                      12 December 2022 13: 52
                      How is the correlation between "the crops did not grow" and "they took away the horse and the cow"?
                      Then you write how a person suffered, and do not aim at systemic transformations in the country.
                      And yes, I didn’t say a word about the effective slaughter of cattle. What is this for?
                      1. -2
                        12 December 2022 14: 55
                        You or your ancestors from that category of the proletariat who, having taken away a cow from the bourgeois, demand that she give milk without feeding her. such jokes went in my childhood about the father of the collective farm leader
                        How is the correlation between "the crops did not grow" and "they took away the horse and the cow"?
                        YES, there are always two categories that are for selecting and dividing, and who work in the countryside without straightening their backs. There is also a third category of swindlers, this is about them
                        And yes, I didn’t say a word about the effective slaughter of cattle. What is this for?
                      2. +2
                        13 December 2022 09: 48
                        You or your ancestors from that category of the proletariat who, having taken away a cow from the bourgeois, demand that she give milk without feeding her.

                        Why did you write this? Maybe they wanted to insult me ​​or my ancestors? Is this your level of discussion?
                        With such arguments you communicate in a pub
                    2. +2
                      12 December 2022 13: 56

                      The curtailment of private business took place under Khrushchev.
                      Do you really believe in it.

                      But you don’t have to believe, you need to know. You open the textbook and read that in 1956 Khrushchev nationalized artels and handicraft enterprises, from that moment it is believed that private business in the USSR was closed.
                      1. -2
                        12 December 2022 14: 49
                        Artels all ceased to exist even before Khrushchev. Only Jewelers, Dentists, Seamstresses remained. And you call this private business it's crumbs.
                    3. +2
                      12 December 2022 14: 53
                      You don't have to believe, you just have to KNOW. The private artels were killed by Kukuruznik.

                      About knowledge has already been written above)))
                      1. -1
                        12 December 2022 14: 59
                        You don't have to believe, you just have to KNOW. The private artels were killed by Kukuruznik.
                        All our troubles are to blame for the maize
                        He wanted the best, but there were people who locally understood everything that was said literally, and they were the main culprits for the collapse of the USSR. They gave beautiful reports on faith from them and the current fraud was carried out, the only place where the communists had order was the military-industrial complex and science
          2. Qas
            +1
            11 December 2022 02: 27
            We do not have the sovereign's will. Well, Chubais ran away, they missed it, so what prevents him from returning? Bound in a suitcase and presented to the public? How many times has VVP been spoken about, and about Chubais, and about Taburetkin, and about other "statesmen"? GDP is very predictable in terms of personnel, which our enemies take advantage of. And indefensible.
            It's scary when there is no one to ask at the state level. And we are waiting for Lavrenty Pavlovich here. But where can he come from, when all dissidents have been purged and removed from decision-making by the forces of the GDP?
      2. -36
        9 December 2022 06: 51
        Quote: tatarin1972
        one has only to make the ending of the life of one or several top managers near the wall normal

        But is it okay that these same "top managers", in addition to the associated production of UAVs, also make the world's best air defense systems for our air defense? Or maybe somehow differently set up the production of the desired product. For example, to allow medium-sized businesses to enter the state defense order and somehow stimulate it with benefits in some areas and thus create a competitive environment in which, in principle, the manufacturer should also receive profit. The fact that with monopoly production, Rostec (any other enterprise / concern can be cited) will bend prices is quite predictable. I will say more, if it were not for these "managers" capable of squeezing money out of thin air, by 2010 we would have lost both Almaz and Antey, and all air defense. The corporation survived in the 90s and 10s only due to a competent commercial policy. In general, for what sin do you want to put the leaders of "A-A" against the wall? For the desire to earn and pay employees money comparable to the oil industry? You are just funny ..... You were told "face" from the side and you are ready to tear everyone without thinking too much? The author has his reasons. What do you have? Revolutionary itch?
        1. +34
          9 December 2022 06: 59
          That is, you are trying to allow top management to plunder state funds allocated for a turnover order?
          1. -28
            9 December 2022 07: 07
            Quote: tatarin1972
            That is, you are trying to allow top management to plunder state funds allocated for a turnover order?

            Where did you find and prove the theft? For theft, in the case of its proof within the framework of the judicial investigation, they have always been imprisoned and will be imprisoned. This is fine. It is not normal when, under the slogans of fighting corruption and embezzlement, competitors are eliminated. And it’s not normal when a mammoth is made out of a fly and such gullible comrades like you are pointed out as an enemy in the person of the leadership of a strategic enterprise. Can you tell who benefits from this, or can you guess?
            1. +40
              9 December 2022 09: 59
              Quote: Hagen
              And it’s not normal when they make a mammoth out of a fly and point out the enemy to such gullible comrades like you in the person of the leadership of a strategic enterprise

              It is not normal to lie to your people to the leadership of a strategic enterprise, which is the Almaz-Antey corporation.
              It is not normal for this leadership to pass off a Chinese UAV as their own development.
              It is not normal to make money on the Chinese Flight Nazgul5 Evoque F5 quadrocopter with Aliexpress, attaching only your frame to it.
              It is not normal for the leadership of a strategic enterprise to even stutter about some kind of "domestic components" at a time when they do not even smell of them. What's domestic?
              PU Hoshi Radiomaster TX12?
              Battery – Tattu 2200 mAH 4S 14,8V 45C?
              Engines - iflight Xing?
              Hardware - Radiomaster TX12?
              Regulator - IFlight Blitz E55 32 bit?
              Antenna Rush Cherry?
              Flight controller software - iNavFlight/inav?
              Propellers - Dallprop?
              Camera - Foxeer?
              Video transmitter - AKK FX2 Ultimate 5.8G 1200mW?
              Battery strap - Сaddx Fpv?
              The processor is definitely foreign.
              Is the flight controller made in Russia? So either based on IFlight BLITZ Mini F7 Stack MPU6000 F722, or from foreign components.
              The actions of this leadership of a strategic enterprise do not cause anything but shame. It is immoral for a strategic enterprise to do such things. This is the real theft. intellectual and real. On which, to top it all off, a strategic enterprise also manages to make a fortune for itself.
              1. +15
                9 December 2022 10: 48
                After such a finale, when for decades they talked about the need for UAVs, there are no more words to talk about all this. Yesterday, Strelkov dropped such a "sideboard with dishes" that I still walk in "amazement."
                1. +3
                  9 December 2022 12: 30
                  Good afternoon. I have not seen something, but where to read or watch?
                  1. +2
                    9 December 2022 12: 56
                    Quote: Khibiny Plastun
                    Good afternoon. I have not seen something, but where to read or watch?

                    got it in telegram
              2. -25
                9 December 2022 12: 13
                Quote from: skeptick2
                It's not normal to lie to your people

                Quote from: skeptick2
                This is the real theft.

                It is not normal to build accusations without knowing the terms of the contracts. However, this is now becoming the norm. Untalented people always envy and hate the more talented... Journalists and people who consider themselves journalists lie to you without blushing, and you, not even wanting to dig deeper into the floor of a scoop, follow their lead.
                Quote from: skeptick2
                It is not normal to make money on the Chinese Flight Nazgul5 Evoque F5 quadrocopter with Aliexpress, attaching only your frame to it.

                You attach your frame, or something plus to the frame .... Weak? What have you personally done to make something better than A-A? Did you find theft? They would learn to qualify "theft" in order to brandish the term ...
                1. 0
                  9 December 2022 12: 58
                  Someone really wants to interfere with the production of drones. They even juggle the list of components in the hope of stopping their supplies to Russia.
                  1. +9
                    9 December 2022 13: 33
                    Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
                    They even juggle the list of components in the hope of stopping their supplies to Russia.

                    You have to do yours! But ... "there is no money, but you hold on." The development of production in the Russian Federation is not financed.
                    1. -11
                      9 December 2022 14: 07
                      Regarding financing, it is necessary to contact the Ministry of Finance. And at the plant, the task is to immediately provide drones, once to count other people's money.
                      1. +6
                        9 December 2022 14: 17
                        Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
                        Regarding financing, it is necessary to contact the Ministry of Finance.

                        And to whom are the Ministry of Finance and the Central Bank accountable?
                      2. -7
                        9 December 2022 14: 32
                        Is it really Almaz-Antey's task to deal with financing and delve into the subordination structure of the Ministry of Finance and the Central Bank?
                      3. +3
                        9 December 2022 15: 06
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        The development of production in the Russian Federation is not financed.

                        What did I write about?
                        Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
                        Is it really Almaz-Antey's task to deal with financing and delve into the subordination structure of the Ministry of Finance and the Central Bank?

                        Did I write about Almaz-Antey somewhere? If there is no entire line of domestic components, then neither Almaz-Antey nor other industries will continue to be able to make the high-tech products that are needed. Almaz-Antey is not a spherical horse in a vacuum; it cannot exist without suppliers.
                      4. -4
                        9 December 2022 19: 17
                        The author of the article and you are dissatisfied with the work of Almaz-Antey and almost demand that he lift the entire industry on his shoulders. And this, in your opinion, spherical horse produces some of the best air defense systems in the world?
                      5. -1
                        9 December 2022 19: 38
                        Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
                        The author of the article and you are dissatisfied with the work of Almaz-Antey

                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        You have to do yours! But ... "there is no money, but you hold on." The development of production in the Russian Federation is not financed.

                        First of all, I am dissatisfied with the fact that production in the Russian Federation is being curtailed more and more.
                      6. -4
                        9 December 2022 19: 45
                        But you address the claims to Almaz-Antey as responsible in the country for everything. And before that I suspected you of working for the Ukrainian CIPSO, now there is no doubt left.
                2. 0
                  9 December 2022 21: 11
                  Well, in general, Comrade Skomorokhov ascribes to himself the salvation of a bunch of defense plants. In particular, he scared Chemezov and Putin and defended tank repair plants, saved the plant for the production of MLRS and much more.
                3. 0
                  10 December 2022 13: 28
                  "on the Chinese quadcopter Flight Nazgul5 Evoque F5 with Aliexpress"
                  you are sprinkling saliva here, accusing people of unwillingness to fasten something to the Chinese. but for this we have specially trained people, a whole state corporation diamond antey with an agro-funded budget, which is just doing this. you don’t deny that Dobrynya is a Chinese Flight Nazgul5 Evoque F5 quadrocopter with Aliexpress, and the list of components without Russian letters also indicates the place of production, the price is really high, but it can be understood - the paint is expensive, which they write - made by us. I wonder where they buy it?
                  1. -3
                    10 December 2022 13: 38
                    Quote: aglet
                    the price is really high, but this can be understood, the paint is expensive,

                    Even yesterday, on all the questions you raised, they already gave some kind of answer. For starters, read the branch ... And only then broadcast all sorts of splashes. Yes, I think it would be better...
                    1. +2
                      10 December 2022 14: 23
                      "Yeah, I think it would be better."
                      I came out here only today, looked through almost everything, but I didn’t find any answers either yesterday or today. there were attempts at excuses.
                      I ask the question again, Dobrynya, is this a Chinese quadcopter Flight Nazgul5 Evoque F5 from Aliexpress? and what will replace its processor? and why is it three times more expensive than the Chinese, provided that it is twisted, and will be twisted from Chinese spare parts?
              3. -4
                9 December 2022 18: 36
                those. buying three expensive Chinese drones is good, but collecting from components is already bad? Well then, the flag is in hand ... waiting for homemade ones who can assemble a quadrocopter from Russian components for 40 rubles ...
              4. +1
                9 December 2022 19: 03
                Quote from: skeptick2
                It is not normal for this leadership to pass off a Chinese UAV as their own development.

                From the website of the Concern VKO Almaz-Antey:
                ".... In the near future, UAVs will be equipped with means of identifying belongings, an encrypted control channel and a closed video transmission channel. Control and video transmission channels, built on the basis of the enterprise's own developments in the field of command transmission systems, have increased noise immunity with software encryption. Input device the key for transferring information to the onboard part is interfaced via standard USB protocols with a computer or tablet.
                By the end of 2022, a proprietary flight controller with an identification function and proprietary software will be developed. At the beginning of 2023, it is planned to develop data transmission equipment for the control channel and video information. At the same time, it is planned to complete the localization of UAV production at the enterprises of the Concern VKO Almaz-Antey. The share of domestic components in the product will be up to 90 percent. In addition, in the first quarter of next year, the production of frames, engines, blades, controllers and control equipment for UAVs will be carried out at the enterprises of the Concern VKO Almaz-Antey...."
                "A-A" in plain text speaks of, for the time being, only planning to localize the production of the main components and assemblies sometime later, in the future in 2023, perhaps ... The author of the article did not say anything about the fact that this A-A contributed misinformation about production (otherwise he could have gone to court on the suit of A-A wink ), saying: "The essence (of the scandal) is that a number of state and not very Media like NTV and Channel 5 misled Russian citizens, that is, they lied, telling that (hereinafter in the article ......) ". And that's all. That is, the media gave information," knowing people "loudly refuted it. What are the claims against the Concern? And the problem is that some members of the forum can read what is written in Russian, but they can't understand what they read, but they are happy to cheat everyone who is in jackets and without a broom. So you read, and why did they bring the nomenclature of foreign parts with the accusation A-A, the concern denied that localization had not yet taken place? Obviously, not everyone understood. But do not be upset. Together with you, a whole bunch of people also did not understand the essence, which you plus. smile
                1. -3
                  10 December 2022 13: 33
                  there the nomenclature is not even Dobrynya, but a Chinese drone that Dobrynya looks like ..
                  1. 0
                    10 December 2022 13: 46
                    Quote: Barberry25
                    there the nomenclature is not even Dobrynya, but a Chinese drone that Dobrynya looks like ..

                    If the State Department spends a lot of money on the "education" of the fifth column in our country, then we have people who receive this money and work it out. I have never heard that some Blinken ever threw a tantrum that he brought money to Russia for the next "bad boy", but no one took it laughing I think we have no reason to think that we cannot encounter such people in VO. recourse
                2. +3
                  10 December 2022 13: 37
                  "So you read, and why did you bring the nomenclature of foreign parts with the accusation A-A, did the concern deny that localization had not yet taken place?"
                  the concern passed it off as its own development. and with localization - the frame can still be planed, or there are screws, but with the processor and all the rest of the electronics - big problems - no one will make them at home, and no one will sell them to buy. it’s just that the diamond anteeviches have all the hope that in 2023 new events will occupy the minds of people and they will forget about dobrynya, as much has already been forgotten
              5. 0
                9 December 2022 22: 52
                What do you want? A-Antey receives an order to create a UAV. And he hadn't done it before (at all). No specialists, no developments, but you need it yesterday. There is only one way: buy, copy, learn, find the right specialists. The military industry basically works like this: customers demand something, and give money for it. And if they do not give money, then the first batches of products are sold at exorbitant prices.
            2. +13
              9 December 2022 13: 35
              For theft, in the case of its proof within the framework of the judicial investigation, they have always been imprisoned and will be imprisoned. This is fine.
              Yes, they put them in other positions, often in Rostec. It's just not normal. Corruption in Russia has reached fantastic proportions, sometimes it seems that corruption is a form of government. All the problems in our country are due to corruption.
              1. -7
                9 December 2022 18: 01
                Quote: Trapp1st
                All the problems in our country are due to corruption.

                All our problems, including corruption ones, are due to idiots, who are countless here. And not scared. laughing
        2. +14
          9 December 2022 10: 35
          But it's okay that these same "top managers", in addition to the associated production of UAVs, also make the best air defense systems in the world for our air defense
          - please, but Designers, engineers and workers do it, and top managers create the appearance that they are the most important wheel in the cart - the "accountant effect" ...
          1. -14
            9 December 2022 12: 19
            Quote: faiver
            and top managers create the appearance that they are the most important wheel in the cart - the "accountant effect" ...

            "Managers" manage to build production, create conditions for the work of designers and other necessary workers, prove the need for the manufactured goods to the buyer, sell what they have created in a very difficult market, get money and pay, among others, designers to create something else. EVERYTHING is created in the enterprise, even the office cleaner. It's just that many do not have the mind to see their contribution to the products they create.
            1. +12
              9 December 2022 12: 44
              All that you have listed is nonsense poured in over the past 30 years about "universal managers", and all the crap in the country is from them ...
              1. -14
                9 December 2022 13: 59
                Quote: faiver
                All that you have listed is nonsense poured in over the past 30 years about "universal managers", and all the crap in the country is from them ...

                Well, yes. A structure more complicated than a broom does not fit into a straight gyrus. wink Therefore, there is no point in discussing something in the theory of complex processes. Do you think it's nonsense? Consider... Nothing in the world will change from this. Not everyone can be Taylors, Fayols or Webers ... someone needs to take out the pots. request
                1. +7
                  9 December 2022 14: 51
                  I don’t think, I know this from the practice of life, I came across beautiful National projects live
              2. -5
                9 December 2022 18: 38
                there were non-universal managers in the USSR ... which very interestingly resulted in an eternal attempt to buy "Bulgarian walls" and "Yugoslav boots" ... or is it something else and it is impossible to write something bad about the USSR?
            2. +16
              9 December 2022 13: 36
              It's just that many do not have the mind to see their contribution to the products they create.
              Are you talking about re-sticking labels and cutting?
            3. +9
              9 December 2022 14: 25
              Quote: Hagen
              "Managers" manage to build production, create conditions for work ...

              I can’t turn my tongue, for example, Lavrenty Pavlovich Beria, to call a “manager”.))) Maybe enough anglicisms? There is a good word manager, but those whom you call "managers" cannot be called good managers. If you do not agree, then name at least one of them, which could be placed next to Lavrenty Pavlovich.
              1. -2
                9 December 2022 14: 53
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                Maybe enough anglicisms?

                I want to draw your attention to the fact that I used this term as a mirror in response to the person with whom I entered into a discussion. And it is in its connotations. With sarcasm to the negativity laid down by him in the opening phrase. I have no special reverence for Anglicisms, as well as without burning hatred. Everything should be in moderation. So how someone turns his tongue, then the speaker's business. If you are interested in my attitude towards the LPB, then I consider him an ambiguous person who has done a lot for the country's security, including in the development of strategic nuclear forces. But, as IVS said: "There are no sinless people. The main thing is that the balance should be positive." In LPB, I think it is positive. I will not compare him with anyone, because each time of our history has its own key personalities. They are not competitors to each other. At least in my understanding.
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                but those whom you call "managers" cannot be called good managers

                If you mean the leadership of the Almaz-Antey concern, then I will not agree with you. And it is unlikely that you will be able to somehow sensibly analyze their activities. The activities of the management of a simple enterprise are hidden behind "seven seals", and even "A-A" - even more so. But in terms of their main products, they have no equal in the world. And I won’t take someone’s attitude on the “side work” of the concern seriously. If you don't like them, that's your problem.
        3. +3
          9 December 2022 17: 22
          about the air defense systems that these gopmanagers make, we have already seen enough in Engels and Ryazan, they (the complexes) worked very "well"
          1. -2
            9 December 2022 18: 05
            Quote: rotkiv04
            about the air defense systems that these gopmanagers make, we have already seen enough in Engels and Ryazan, they (the complexes) worked very "well"

            How many of the launched missiles missed? wink
            1. +2
              9 December 2022 19: 19
              Quote: Hagen
              Quote: rotkiv04
              about the air defense systems that these gopmanagers make, we have already seen enough in Engels and Ryazan, they (the complexes) worked very "well"

              How many of the launched missiles missed? wink

              yes, the question here is not even the number of missiles, but why it flew 650 km and was not shot down, logically, it turns out that they simply did not see it. Here is such a disappointing alignment sad and there's no need to laugh
              1. 0
                9 December 2022 20: 30
                Quote: rotkiv04
                yes, the question here is not even the number of missiles, but why he flew 650 km and was not shot down, logically, it turns out that they simply did not see him. This is such a disappointing alignment that comes out and you don’t have to laugh here

                And what, is there information why this device was not seen? Air defense says this craft is an easy target. So they didn’t see him because the means of someone else’s intelligence found holes in the system and laid a route through these holes. The fault of products from A-A is very doubtful here. In any case, except for you, no one assigned it to A-A. You've been investigating and have hard evidence of A-A's guilt? I think no. It's just that you fell under the influence of mass hysteria on the forum, possibly caused by "someone" on purpose, and made the wrong conclusion. I want to note that American manufacturers of similar equipment would give a lot of money to prove to all potential buyers in different countries that A-A products do not see simple goals. Do you work for them? (Kidding... laughing. And so it is clear who works for them lol ).
                1. +2
                  10 December 2022 14: 55
                  the fact that he bypassed the air defense zones and means that they didn’t see him and it doesn’t matter for what reason, but I won’t argue, there’s no point, no one will say the results of the investigation anyway, as it was with Moscow, with attacks on the Crimea, etc. Time will tell who is right, but I think there is nothing to laugh at, it is not clear why you are so funny
          2. -1
            9 December 2022 22: 02
            Most likely, the anti-aircraft gunners simply slept or did not provide normal cover for the border, leaving gaps in radio coverage that they found and applied.
        4. +3
          9 December 2022 21: 01
          It turns out that in China they can do it for 46 thousand, but in Russia for 130 thousand you don’t need to put anyone against the wall? And still managers and managers should be pitied? Which about a survival of the enterprise and in a terrible dream cannot think. My opinion in the case of production should not be commanded by a person who has a mindset like a huckster. As my director at the enterprise suggested, let's say the electrician will be fired anyway, he does nothing (there is only one electrician at the enterprise). The director comes from managers. He probably didn’t understand that the lighting in his office, as well as the electricity in the sockets and other equipment of the enterprise, was served by this “doing nothing” person, and therefore everything was working properly.
          1. 0
            10 December 2022 08: 19
            Common practice in our system. Our cleaners were fired, and they signed a contract with a cleaning company. So cheaper .... apparently, or vice versa, more expensive
            1. 0
              10 December 2022 12: 55
              More expensive, of course. "Outsourcing"
            2. 0
              13 December 2022 12: 22
              It's easier to take kickbacks. After all, you can’t get much from your cleaners. We did the same at the factory. They hired a left brigade. Although the workers said that they were hired before.
          2. -2
            10 December 2022 08: 43
            Quote: Goto
            It turns out that in China they can do it for 46 thousand, but in Russia for 130 thousand you don’t need to put anyone against the wall?

            The first trial products always turn out "golden". In the series, they can fall in price multiples. We will never release a series like in China, given the size of the market. Therefore, a similar product in any case will be somewhat more expensive.
            Quote: Goto
            As my director at the enterprise suggested, let's say the electrician will be fired anyway, he does nothing (there is only one electrician at the enterprise).

            In some cases, if the workload is less than the rate, it is more profitable to remove the rate from the staff list and involve a third-party organization under a GP service agreement. I don’t know the structure and type of activity of your enterprise, but such a scheme that I painted for you is used everywhere today. And the director can get savings, and add salary to you (if you accomplish a "feat" wink ). I wouldn't reproach him for that. In any case, in addition to replacing light bulbs, you need a person responsible for electrical facilities, certified by the local Rostekhnadzor. And this is already beyond the power of a simple electrician. So your director is not a stupid guy, most likely. It's just that he sees and solves problems wider than you.
            1. +1
              13 December 2022 12: 25
              I am the head electrician. I don't need a new person every time. Especially if there is urgent work, then wait until they arrive, it may take a long time. We have such guys who service the alarm, sometimes you wait for hell, and at that time she squeaks and yells.
        5. 0
          10 December 2022 01: 23
          And how do you know that our air defense systems are the best in the world? When I was 15 years old, and our army did not fight with anyone more serious than the academician's father, I also thought so. Now it is the 10th month of the air defense system, the best air defense systems in the world have every opportunity to prove themselves in all their glory, and the miserable Ukrainian Air Force on the ancient MiG-29 and Su-25 with pilots with a flight time of 30-40 hours (moreover, judging by the interview with Ukro -hartmann, not even a great mind) were not only not destroyed on the first day, but they also fly and periodically bomb something of ours, including destroying several S-300 launchers with vintage HARMs. Here you will put your head straight that all these S-X00s are better than the American naval air defense systems or the French SAMP-T (I myself believe that they are better than the Patriot, the Patriot also asks for a museum).
        6. -4
          10 December 2022 02: 11
          The author has his reasons
          Here is a clear hit on Almaz-Antey - perhaps the interests of those who intend to capture the niche of quadrocopters or those who collect money for Maviks are infringed.
          Almaz-Antey is accused of passing off Chinese as his own. But according to Gorynych, they have nothing to say, except
          With regards to "Gorynych", most likely, everything is exactly the same
          "Most likely"
        7. +1
          10 December 2022 06: 36
          Pay employees money comparable to the oil industry? Seriously? I’m even ashamed to name what salaries there are for engineers and technicians ...
          1. 0
            10 December 2022 08: 25
            I completely agree, vacancies are published on A-A 24 thousand rubles. Below is a seller in a chain store from 40 thousand, and this is true, many acquaintances quit production and switched to this Chelyabinsk chain.
          2. -3
            10 December 2022 13: 02
            Quote: Alex92
            Seriously?

            Are you asking me? You will convince the author that A-A should also earn when he and many here accuse them of "stealing" without reason. Any director knows that today the state does not distribute a specialist after graduation. And you can attract the best only by providing them with the appropriate conditions. This is mainly why they are trying to enter a new "market" in the hope of making money on the development of the main production. Ah, this is no exception. Why be surprised?
        8. -2
          10 December 2022 11: 44
          You are our dear
          the best air defense systems in the world for our air defense
          still surprise you. Since 2000, who has not surprised us. Is that the Strategic Missile Forces, has not yet surprised. And the air defense did not surprise loudly enough in Syria and Libya, but I think they will catch up soon. Consider Lebanon, the Bekaa Valley and 1982.
          1. -3
            10 December 2022 12: 53
            Quote: lelik613
            You are our dear

            With whom you drink vodka, tell him about Bekaa.
            1. 0
              10 December 2022 17: 21
              "If you read the inscription on the cage of an elephant: buffalo, do not believe your eyes" (c) Sapienti sat
              1. 0
                10 December 2022 18: 11
                Quote: lelik613
                "If you read the inscription on the cage of an elephant: buffalo, do not believe your eyes" (c) Sapienti sat

                Well, and .... What do you want to say? I to you - that it is not necessary to be familiar. It is customary to address a stranger in a normal society with "you". (in case you don’t understand where which aphorisms can be used)
                1. -1
                  10 December 2022 20: 45
                  If you consider yourself inexpensiveHow can I prevent this. And about vodka and other tempting items, YOU tell the one you see in the mirror.
                  1. 0
                    11 December 2022 07: 43
                    Quote: lelik613
                    YOU

                    Progress is being made. Already good... wink
        9. +1
          10 December 2022 12: 40
          "But it's okay that these same" top managers "in addition to the associated production of UAVs, also make the best air defense systems in the world for our air defense"
          but for sure that these air defense systems are the best in the world? does the world know about it? and exactly what these managers do them? these rockets were made in the USSR, and the current managers can only buy a toy from aliexpress for three prices, and scribble crooked letters - made by us
          1. -1
            10 December 2022 18: 17
            Quote: aglet
            does the world know about it?

            They know China and Iran ... The rest, too, but the United States shuts them up. Someone for the sake of this (US goals) is also trying to plant a seed of doubt in the possibility of our products. Smart and bad - for money, not very smart - for nothing. I won't ask rhetorical questions. Laziness...
      3. +17
        9 December 2022 06: 58
        Everything is solved, it is only necessary to make the ending of the life of one or several top managers near the wall normal, the matter will immediately get off the ground

        What do you want, like in China?! And how will the country be without effective managers (those who did not run away after the announcement of mobilization)? Respected people did not give birth to these top managers so that their heirs would be put up against the wall for every little thing ..
        1. +9
          9 December 2022 07: 08
          I say again that everything in this country, like in the world, can be solved, you just have to want it. Management begins to work effectively in two cases, in the first case it is extremely highly welded in monetary terms, moreover, ruining the project, and the second case is when the bats are clamped in a vise and the gate is pulled out.
      4. +25
        9 December 2022 08: 18
        Do you mean Rogozin, who almost buried the space industry? Or Chubais, who is NANO? Or did they not even bother Nabiulin to withdraw hundreds of billions before February? Or Shuigu the biathlete, who spent billions on everything except equipping the army? Oh my god, who's next? Not Putin himself ahem .. to the barrier? So it looks like everyone in the attic in the basement of Ipatiev against the wall?
        1. +7
          9 December 2022 12: 49
          Khibiny Plastun, dear, has it just now dawned on you that the fish is rotting from the head? This head began to rot more than 50 years ago at an increasing rate! Only now this process has changed qualitatively! Traitorous thieves Russian oligarchs, sitting on the export of raw materials and the bureaucracy they bought to the very top of the "vertical of power"! In Russia, they are not interested in anything except stuffing their pockets with stolen goods!
        2. +4
          9 December 2022 17: 20
          As for 300 billion, this is a question for Putin, why he did not instruct the Central Bank to withdraw funds, did not warn. And the answer is simple, they thought that it would be like in 2014, the Ukrainians would scatter and capitulate from our formidable appearance, and the whole operation would take a couple of weeks at most. After all, in 2014 no one blocked anything, and now they thought that it would be the same.
          1. -1
            9 December 2022 22: 05
            Rather, they thought that the Europeans would be afraid for their reputation, saying that capital would begin to withdraw everything. But it turned out that it would not be difficult for the Americans to force the Europeans to shoot themselves in the knee, in vain did they bring corrupt officials to power?
            1. -1
              10 December 2022 00: 30
              And here the Europeans if frozen dollar accounts.
              1. -1
                10 December 2022 01: 27
                Almost all the funds were in the EU and Switzerland, freezing the European institutions. Formally, they do not obey the United States, but for some reason they always do what they are told from across the ocean, they will pay any fine out of their own pocket, there is nothing to say about ours
        3. +1
          9 December 2022 18: 09
          And how did Rogozin "destroy space"? The fact that he gave the thieving builders under investigation and even managed to plant and return a lot of money? Or that he didn’t subscribe to the “reusable first stage? So it’s necessary to build a seaside cosmodrome for it and is it worth it for the state? For those who are ignorant from Baikonur, the stage falls on the spurs of the Western Sayan. nice mountains too.
      5. -4
        9 December 2022 09: 58
        So the young and talented are more likely to work in Silicon Valley than at home. And if you start threatening with a wall, then there will be no one left at all.
      6. +8
        9 December 2022 12: 24
        Everything is solved, it is only necessary to make the ending of the life of one or several top managers near the wall normal, things will immediately get off the ground, and if in the contract, when hiring, it is mandatory to prescribe the wall, then in general we will not notice the boundaries of perfection.
        This will never happen. They will ruin the country, sell us wholesale and retail, but they will never, even so, NEVER be held accountable. For they will not put themselves against the wall. Capitalism is what it is and those who are there make it so! It won't be otherwise. don't even hope.
      7. +1
        9 December 2022 13: 15


        "Oh, how we need the death penalty .... Oh, how we need it !!!! "
        1. +1
          9 December 2022 17: 25
          By the way, Abakumov himself was also arrested in 51 on a false denunciation of Ryumin and shot at 54, and Ryumin himself was also shot at 54, do you really want the death penalty?
          1. +5
            9 December 2022 18: 09
            Fair?
            Yes!
            China and Singapore did not ask this question and today it is CHINA AND SINGAPORE!
            The United States is promoting "democracy" around the globe, and the injection, the electric chair and the gallows do not interfere with them at all!
            1. -4
              9 December 2022 18: 26
              Singapore is not the level of Russia is not the scale. United States, but then you need to adopt the state structure, democracy, separation of branches of power, lack of a vertical, limited terms of government. China is not sure that it is a good example.
            2. -2
              9 December 2022 18: 39
              Well, then get ready for the fact that you yourself will be shot
              1. +1
                9 December 2022 21: 28
                As Papanova's hero said ... Don't steal!
                Live according to your conscience. Then they won't shoot you.
                1. -2
                  9 December 2022 21: 47
                  it feels like you live in a country of pink ponies pooping like a rainbow .. remind who wrote tens of millions of denunciations at one time .. and now, they can snitch on you corny because of a sideways glance or a thrown word ... so conscience has nothing to do with it
      8. 0
        9 December 2022 21: 48
        Quote: tatarin1972
        one has only to make the ending of the life of one or several top managers near the wall normal

        Good idea, but this should have been done 20 years ago.
      9. 0
        10 December 2022 13: 19
        I'm not sure that in the days of the "Internet" it will work. To begin with, we need the BRUTAL - more powerful than in North Korea - censorship in the media. An analogue of the capture of "mail and telegraph". Society must be military-socialist. No democracies or oligarchies. Private business should be limited to cakes and panties. There SHOULD NOT be a private trader in resources, logistics, energy, media! He is a pest there by the very fact of his stay. No private banks and insurance companies! They are also, in fact, focused on the "pocket", and not on the state. There will be no oligarch, there will be NO ONE to stir up corruption with the official. It will be IMPOSSIBLE to steal cashless payments in digital form, since there will simply be no “rollback” side. And for the internal control of officials - I agree, we need a tough "oprichnina".
      10. 0
        10 December 2022 18: 29
        There are so many "patriots" among our officials that there are not enough walls in Russia.
      11. 0
        14 December 2022 07: 51
        It may be a bit too much to the wall, but it would not hurt to send this craft to the front line as an operator for a couple of months.
      12. 0
        14 December 2022 17: 34
        Solvable in a very limited period of time, but systemically - no. Peter cut off the heads of bribe-takers, but corruption only grew. And all because the main corrupt official - Aleksashka Menshikov - lived and was well at the side of the sovereign. He knew everything and did nothing. Only Lee Kuan Yew is right when he said that the one who wants to fight corruption should first of all imprison three friends: "You know why and they know why." Only a total cleansing around you, and not "somewhere out there" can help.
      13. 0
        17 December 2022 13: 50
        Here I don't quite agree with you. Such actions should be regular, then something will move. After the first action at the wall, the next even more "efficient manager" will simply come - there is a big queue ..
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    3. +4
      9 December 2022 12: 25
      Our top managers screwed up with Dobrynya, of course, to the fullest .. Well, it’s necessary
      You are right, but they made money for themselves! This was their goal.
    4. +2
      9 December 2022 13: 56
      And they're all fucked up. Piss in the eyes, everything is God's dew.
    5. -2
      9 December 2022 21: 24
      In fact, this author went to bed with kindness. Once again, the hype caught, and the people ate it. Best of all and objectively about Dobrynya he gave an assessment of bmpd. And this article is another procissus rag.
    6. +1
      10 December 2022 12: 33
      "Our top managers screwed up with Dobrynya, of course, to the fullest .. Well, it must be like that"
      "Well, it's necessary, it never happened, and here it is again"
      "there are no 3/8 inch dies, but they were going to let the tram"
      but a temple was built for everyone. a very important facility, where are these drones, otherwise there is nowhere to pray directly.
  2. +20
    9 December 2022 05: 32
    It is very sad that any story about any military conflict involving Rus', the Russian state, the Russian Empire, the Soviet Union, the Russian Federation always begins with the words - "for starters, we loved everything." Tradition...
    1. +31
      9 December 2022 05: 35
      Miracle drone "Dobrynya"

      I love FPV drones. They differ from the usual ones (such as DJI) about the same as a two-dimensional world from a three-dimensional one. I always dreamed of seeing a domestic development. But when I watched reports about the Dobrynya quadrocopter from the Almaz-Antey concern, I was seriously upset. Let's dissect the "Russian development".

      Battery – Tattu 2200mAH 4S 14,8V 45C
      Engines - iflight xing
      Equipment – ​​Radiomaster TX12
      Regulus - IFlight Blitz E55 32 bit
      Antenna - Rush cherry
      Flight controller software - iNavFlight/inav
      Propellers - dallprop
      Camera – Foxeer
      Video transmitter - AKK FX2 Ultimate 5.8G 1200mW
      Even the strap for attaching the battery - caddx fpv!

      Theoretically, Russian-made frame can be. In the reports, special emphasis is placed on the fact that the flight controller is made in Russia. I could not find exactly the same, but it is obvious that the IFlight BLITZ Mini F7 Stack MPU6000 F722 was taken as the basis. But even if the controller for Dobrynya was assembled in Russia, then it was definitely from foreign components. The heart of the controller is the processor, and it is foreign. ARM 1 is a famous copy from the 80s of the last century.

      What other disadvantages does Dobrynya have?
      - Terrible build quality (hanging wires and use of zip ties)
      - Weak equipment, and hence the flight range in real conditions is no more than 900 meters.
      - Lack of glasses (flying on a tablet is the worst idea)

      As a result, we have a low-quality craft that any sane FPV pilot will refuse to fly. And you know what's the most annoying thing? FPV drones are waiting at the front! There are specialists on the front line who can fly through the window on such devices! Give them this budget (132 thousand for one drone) and they will assemble first-class cars for their tasks. If you do not believe my words, consult the drones in the Donbass. Just ask if they need such "Dobryni"? And I'm afraid you won't get a censored response.
      —https://vk.com/wall-15007644_2135870
      1. KCA
        +3
        9 December 2022 06: 12
        Why is Baikal with ARM architecture not suitable?
        1. +32
          9 December 2022 06: 48
          Why is Baikal with ARM architecture not suitable?

          "Armata" is also suitable, and "Kurganets" and "Air Defense Derivation" are also not badly suited. Everything fits and fits, but does not fit at all ...
          1. +6
            9 December 2022 14: 10
            And they won't fit. In the bins, you can still get as much dough as you don’t dream about. And you don’t need to produce anything, they’ll paint a couple of parts with a brush and that’s it, the modernization is done, drive the taxpayers loot, it’s worthless for them to spend their oil / gas and other fossils. The people will tighten the belt and to hell with it.
        2. DO
          +7
          9 December 2022 08: 22
          Why is Baikal with ARM architecture not suitable?

          The fact that even a 32-bit Baikal-T1 with the MIPS architecture requires production technology according to 28 nm standards. Due to sanctions, such orders are not taken abroad, and there is no domestic technology.
          1. KCA
            0
            9 December 2022 09: 12
            Baikal-M is also 28nm, but it is ARMv8-A, i.e. RISC, will be ordered not from TSMC, but in China, Taiwan or South Korea, at a less well-known factory, Mikron makes msx 16-250nm, but there were jambs with production, as it is now, I don’t know, although, most likely, they will process the crystal at 65nm, it’s enough for the army, and for household devices too
            1. DO
              +2
              9 December 2022 09: 46
              28nm, but it is ARMv8-A, i.e. RISC, will be ordered not from TSMC, but in China, Taiwan or South Korea

              As of today, nothing is known about such orders.
              Micron makes msx 16-250nm, but there were jambs with production

              At Mikron, a profitable yield is so far obtained only at 90 nm and thicker.
              recycle the crystal under 65nm, enough for the army

              Today under 90 nm. These are single core processors. But it's better than nothing. Looking forward to processing.
              1. KCA
                +5
                9 December 2022 10: 05
                With over 10000 sanctions imposed, it makes no sense for either the customer - Russia or the contractor to tell the whole world about orders, everything can be done quietly and even more so dragged in, in 1999 it was purchased from one company with components, everything in the office and warehouse was littered with computer cases , I was already surprised, there was no margin from them, where they bought so many of them, then the employees opened several boxes right in front of the customers and took out pentiums from them, it’s hard to count how many pieces, but not less than a thousand, they were not in boxed packages, but OEM - plastic a frame of pieces for 20 processors, and this was when the customs was fierce, well, if they didn’t give a paw, but now there may be an unspoken order to go through everything
                1. DO
                  +2
                  9 December 2022 11: 23
                  Bypassing the sanctions, the supply of finished Western processors is one thing, but placing orders for the manufacture of Russian processors is quite another. A foreign plant here risks losing Western licenses, supplies of materials and spare parts, maintenance of equipment (that is, everything) - due to, in general, relatively modest Russian volumes of orders. And the Chinese do not seem to have 28 nm technological lines of Chinese production yet, there are only Western ones. But of course, it cannot be ruled out that ours privately and exorbitantly agreed with some Chinese factory, who knows.
                  In any case, it's clear as God's day that without domestic technologies 28 nm and thinner, at least for the volumes of critical industries, it's rubbish.
                  1. KCA
                    +1
                    9 December 2022 11: 55
                    So who will sell us equipment for lithography? ASML will not sell, mattresses will be strangled, you will have to make it yourself, but this is a long time, they plan to assemble the first sample by 2024 and immediately go on the road, I can imagine what percentage of marriage will be. And it’s not a problem to order an underground production of MSH, a comrade in the 90s and early 00s worked in an office that sold prefixes, ordered both in China and Taiwan, they were also asked to do it well, or cheaply, they sold in bulk and to the regions, they said what needs to be done well, and it’s not necessary to order from the TSMC assortment, you can buy at the stock and confuse the traces so that no one will find the end buyer
                    1. DO
                      +2
                      9 December 2022 15: 00
                      Yes, you will have to do the X-ray lithograph mostly by yourself. Perhaps, for the first samples, it will be possible to buy the necessary equipment in crooked ways, which can later be localized.
                      The rest of the technology will have to be created by ourselves. Moreover, the difference in terms of development is small - on the basis of classical monosilicon, or on the basis of two-component materials - silicon carbide, gallium nitride or gallium arsenide, on a sapphire substrate. It's all the same from scratch, but it may be possible to make something comparable to Western products, due to new materials.
                      1. KCA
                        +2
                        9 December 2022 15: 28
                        Here, sapphire can just become the subject of barter, the largest and purest crystals are grown in Russia, I somehow saw it on TV - they open a camera and there hangs a meter high and half a meter in diameter a sapphire ingot, I don’t think it’s a record sample, so, one from
                      2. DO
                        -1
                        9 December 2022 15: 40
                        If you have to get something over the hill for Russian technologies of 28 nm and thinner, it is pointless to discuss the details of this on an open resource.
                        But what is obvious is that the already mastered domestic production of sapphire substrates should undoubtedly be included in the Russian semiconductor technology, which is being created in a hurry.
                      3. KCA
                        +1
                        9 December 2022 16: 41
                        So what to include, they have been growing crystals for a long time already, if exports are covered, like argon, everything will pour into the domestic market
                      4. 0
                        10 December 2022 13: 52
                        "Here is a sapphire that can become the subject of barter"
                        again you are talking about this sapphire. it is not used in the production of processors, at all!
                      5. KCA
                        0
                        10 December 2022 14: 24
                        Life hack - open Gull, Yandex, or whatever you like and enter, at least like this: the use of sapphire substrates in microelectronics, and you will find out that it is very much used and 80% is supplied by Russia, it's a shame not to be able to use the search on the Internet
                      6. 0
                        10 December 2022 14: 31
                        "The use of sapphire substrates in microelectronics"
                        and you will read there that individual microcircuits (not processors) are made on sapphire substrates, that modern processors are made on a silicon substrate, that crystalline sapphire is widely used in the production of LEDs. and that's it!
                      7. KCA
                        0
                        10 December 2022 15: 18
                        Few places used? All MAA for aviation and space are made on SOS, you can, of course, stick SOC, in the Pentagon there was a scandal with the Chinese MAA, precisely in the fact that they were not just Chinese, but SOC, estimate the number of military and civil aviation aircraft, RN, ships and satellites, only Musk has thrown more than 2000 of his satellites into orbit, and how many third-party ones? Cubesats can't be counted like that at all. Oh, I forget another consumer - manufacturers of smartphones, watches, appliances and other crap with sapphire crystal
                      8. 0
                        11 December 2022 17: 02
                        "There are few places where they are used? All MAA for aviation and space are made on SOS, you can, of course, stick on SOC"
                        besides words, do you have any facts, what is that, and so on? There are more of these sapphires on iPhones than on MSH. And the conversation was not about whether sapphire is not used on MSH, it is used, to a limited extent, on some microcircuits. the conversation was about the fact that sapphire is not used in processors - well, it is not used, silicon is cheaper and more technologically advanced
                      9. KCA
                        0
                        11 December 2022 17: 42
                        Yes, not limited, all MSH with radiation protection are made on SOS, everything from optocouplers for 20 kopecks, military / space already 2 rubles 20, to ISS control processors, and the military space standard -50 / + 120 degrees Celsius is valid, and us, and in the USA, and everywhere, SOC will not survive
                      10. 0
                        12 December 2022 11: 06
                        "Yes, not limited, all moss with radiation protection are made on SOS"
                        in some space gadget there is a processor made without sapphire and a few chips with sapphire, but it works. processors with sapphire were produced by hp, back in 1972, and that's it. all electronics in space are not bolted to the outer skin, but are in a shielded, sealed case. sapphire is substratecontaining silicon. no matter what the stunning parameters of the substrate, the performance of the device is determined by silicon, and its properties
                      11. DO
                        0
                        17 December 2022 12: 03
                        aglet,
                        the conversation was not about how sapphire is not used on the MSC, it is used, to a limited extent, on some microcircuits. the conversation was about the fact that sapphire is not used in processors - well, it is not used, silicon is cheaper and more technologically advanced

                        Here you are right about the Western production of consumer processors based on relatively cheap monosilicon.
                        In Russia, the technology for the production of large processors is still being created. The technology of ultra-thin transistor gates with a thickness of several nm in Russia, if it is mastered, will not be soon, until 28 nm would be made. Therefore, to try to get the characteristics of processors close to Western ones, you can only use two-component materials with carrier mobility many times higher than that of silicon, and with close thermal conductivity - silicon carbide, gallium nitride and gallium arsenide. The materials are not cheap, so it is most likely advisable to use sapphire substrates already mastered in Russian production, rather than two-component ones. In addition, even if the classic Western monosilicon technology is mastered, Russia does not produce its own ultrapure monosilicon, and sanctions prevent it from being purchased.
                        Another argument in favor of sapphire substrates is the high resistance of such microcircuits to special effects. For the technology created in Russia will first be used for critical industries, and it takes time to organize mass production of consumer goods.
        3. 0
          10 December 2022 13: 19
          "Why doesn't Baikal with ARM architecture fit?"
          and where to get it? taiwan does not
          1. KCA
            0
            10 December 2022 13: 40
            TSMC just did, now, of course, only the option of the left order from the left company and without marking, they still have the films and all the documentation, and the machine settings are also in memory, a couple of thousand will be printed in a day
      2. +9
        9 December 2022 08: 02
        Quote: Aerodrome
        Let's dissect the "Russian development".

        Yes, the story with "Dobrynya" is far from an isolated case of "privatization" of "foreign" racial "research and production centers"! Repeatedly, the "public" exposed Russian "novelties" with a Chinese gut! (One, only, "a dog with a grenade launcher" is worth something!) A trend, however! (The wisdom of the Chukchi reindeer herders...)
      3. +1
        9 December 2022 14: 16
        You are so deep in the topic! Admired. And do not remind me who was the first to publish a list of components required for the serial production of a drone? smile He is probably also a good specialist and ideological lover of truth. winked
      4. -1
        9 December 2022 18: 45
        a simple question, with all due respect to Kharchenko ... but what prevents now to give "specialists" who "promise on their knees" to assemble a quadric a hundred times better .. to assemble it? for years everyone was shouting that we needed turnstiles, then they showed their FU at the sight of Medplant products and said that they could do better and cheaper .. But all they had was the purchase of Chinese replicas of CAT 7
      5. +4
        9 December 2022 21: 25
        And here is the CAST score

        A little about the Dobrynya quadrocopter developed by the Almaz-Antey Concern VKO, which caused some noise and criticism in social networks. Without touching on the operational characteristics of this, it is still obvious to a large extent a "trial" device, where assessments should be given by specialists and users, we will express a number of comments from the AST Center, as an organization dealing with issues of military-technical cooperation and the defense complex, about the criticism that has been heard in these aspects .
        It is quite obvious that now Russia is critically dependent on China as a whole and on Chinese manufacturing companies for the supply of both "mavik-like" small UAVs and components for them. The position of the PRC leadership in relation to cooperation with the Russian Federation in such areas is very contradictory, while Chinese companies that depend on Western markets for sales will be all the more extra-cautious in sales with obviously military purposes in the Russian Federation. At the same time, such UAVs are increasingly becoming "consumables" of war and are required in huge quantities. Deliveries from China can be dosed or simply cut off at any time, the same applies to the possible assembly from "nameplate change" kits. And no price parameters will play any role in this case. Thus, the Russian Federation is faced with the task of organizing the assembly of such UAVs at home, and in large quantities. It is clear that the basic equipment will have to and will naturally be Chinese, but the choice of components itself also requires certain guarantees of quality stability and availability and guaranteed large volumes of supplies, so the choice of components for Russian manufacturers is already somewhat limited by these criteria. This, by the way, including on the issue of price. It is far from always possible to buy the most desired and at the same time the cheapest in the required volumes and terms.

        Judging by what we see in Dobryn, there is no talk of a purely screwdriver assembly, and an attempt was made to implement at least our own circuitry. It is also very important to use domestic software in order not to depend on the notorious firmware and increase noise immunity.

        The accusations of "copying" are strange enough in themselves, since at the current stage this should be considered rather a plus. The mania of the domestic defense industry for the invention of "unparalleled" products is quite often harmful, and in many cases copying the best and most developed foreign designs and concepts would be much more profitable. The Chinese themselves, as you know, are not at all shy about this, actively copying everything they can. Therefore, the use of a mass-produced common model as a prototype, especially under tight deadlines, if it was, deserves approval, not censure.
        The main criticism was caused, however, by the "inflated" price of "Dobrynya" in comparison with mass Chinese devices of this class. Without touching upon the issues of the finality of the declared price as a whole, as well as the configuration that affects this price, we will only point out that the requirement to produce products at the "Chinese" price in itself is simply not serious. No one can now compete with the Chinese "world factory" in terms of production efficiency. It is precisely because of the low cost of production in China that the industry of the whole world is moving to China, including from the most developed countries. The domestic and foreign markets for Chinese drone manufacturers, and therefore their production volumes, are so colossal that no Russian manufacturer can even dream of them. Wishes to Russian manufacturers to work with Chinese efficiency and cost are a complete utopia. Small-scale (compared to Chinese volumes) production of anything in Russia will always be obviously more expensive than in China.
        Let us also note that in general there is an unfounded myth about the supposedly low cost of defense products in Russia. In fact, taking into account the fact that the defense industry of the Russian Federation is fully affected by all the problems of domestic material production, which is generally inefficient and expensive by world standards, with a narrow market, there can be no talk of any special cheapness of military equipment and weapons in the Russian Federation. speech. Such an anomaly of the relative cheapness of military production existed in the planned economy of the USSR (and then in the form of a "Soviet trace" in the 1990s and early 2000s), but miracles do not happen - this cheapness was compensated by the high cost, inefficiency and deficits in other sectors of the Soviet economic system that actually subsidized the Soviet defense industry.
        Today, Almaz-Antey is required to mass-produce such drones in the amount of thousands per month, without interruptions in supply and without significant and long-term external investment in production. "Almaz-Antey" claims that it has already organized all this. With testing, and with quality control department. Any claims can be made not against Almaz-Antey, but against the highest authorities, who have not been able since the spring to carry out a genuine mobilization of state and private industry for truly mass development and production of small drones. We need hundreds of models of small drones and loitering ammunition that could be produced at hundreds of enterprises and firms, gradually selecting the best and most viable samples - just like in the First World War such a wide production front could solve the problem of producing artillery shells. However, any realist should understand that in this case, 99% of manufacturers would have either the drones themselves or their components from the same Aliexpress. Therefore, Almaz-Antey's initiative deserves every possible encouragement, not attacks.
        1. -1
          9 December 2022 22: 27
          CAST my respect .. a sober assessment .. by the way, there were other UAVs at the exhibition, including the "quadcopter" type, let's hope that the Moscow Region will follow the American principle of Iraq times and purchase everything manufacturers can offer to solve the problem
    2. +3
      9 December 2022 06: 52
      Quote: Leader_Barmaleev
      Tradition...

      Tradition? Alas! So it is! Looking back at the history of the wars that Russia waged, I don’t remember such a time when the country’s armed forces entered it sufficiently prepared and armed!
      1. +3
        9 December 2022 12: 49
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        I don’t remember such a time when the country’s armed forces entered it sufficiently prepared and armed!

        but I remember that, for example, Suvorov, he always prepared troops in peacetime, with all the consequences
        1. -1
          9 December 2022 16: 35
          Quote: Stirbjorn
          I remember that, for example, Suvorov, he always prepared troops in peacetime, with all the consequences

          By and large, Suvorov waged mainly "local" wars, commanding a "limited contingent"!
          1. 0
            10 December 2022 09: 17
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            By and large, Suvorov waged mainly "local" wars, commanding a "limited contingent"!

            So then all the wars were basically "local". He liberated Italy from the French, who before him were in the same place, persuaded Austria to capitulate. You can also remember the Seven Years' War, in which Russia entered with the best artillery in the world (Shuvalov's howitzers and unicorns). So do not blame everything, as in the joke on the "damned place"
      2. +1
        9 December 2022 21: 27
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        the armed forces of the country entered it sufficiently prepared and armed!

        In 1812 year.
        And, oddly enough, in terms of weapons - 1941. Then we were one of the 2 great powers that had a mass-produced self-loading semi-automatic rifle and many perfect tanks. But with the preparation - only 1812. Definitely.
    3. +6
      9 December 2022 06: 52
      It is very sad that any story about any military conflict involving Rus', the Russian state, the Russian Empire, the Soviet Union, the Russian Federation always begins with the words - "for starters, we loved everything." Tradition...

      If it were not for the NWO, they would continue to love further, and in sectors not related to the army, they continue to successfully continue.
    4. +3
      9 December 2022 06: 58
      Quote: Leader_Barmaleev
      "For starters, we fell in love with everything"
      - this is a convenient position, postulating what used to be, but only then was lost. Please note that the first part of the article is devoted to just listing what happened. And in all seriousness, developments, prototypes, prototypes are considered as "it was." Cartoons are just not included in the list, but in the days of the USSR they were not used yet.

      And the distance even from the approved sample to the combat experience of use is huge! Again, I will cite the example of Elon Musk, who never tires of repeating that it is easy to develop, but it is super-super difficult to industrially produce. And in addition to production, there is also experience (tactics) of application, training of operators, "stuffed bumps", and identified problems. None of this is possible when only a drawing or a sample is available. An excellent drawing and a beautiful, hand-assembled, sample even.
      1. -2
        9 December 2022 22: 29
        people just confuse warm and soft .. it will be a shock for them to find out that 100% of the UAVs that appeared at the exhibitions had an almost complete imported origin of components ..
  3. +11
    9 December 2022 05: 39
    In order to "catch up and overtake America" ​​in UAVs, you must first equalize the backlog in microprocessors, which today is about 25-30 years. And the same thing - with closed control channels from satellites. When not Vasya from the nearest trench will control it via a commercial radio channel, but Kolya, who is sitting in Novosibirsk or Barnaul.
    1. 0
      9 December 2022 17: 28
      This is the problem, that these are different tasks, UAVs are separate, processors are separate, now there are no domestic processors, you need to buy imported ones, otherwise we will be without UAVs and without processors.
      There will definitely be about three dozen processor manufacturers in the world (fabless, of course), there were plenty of opportunities to purchase components for the future, so that it would be possible to assemble ten thousand UAVs.
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    1. +4
      9 December 2022 06: 48
      And the MO must be Nostradamus, otherwise why keep all this mass of generals who can learn solely from their mistakes. An army preparing for yesterday's war will always lose.
      And about the first war. But what about the Houthis "in slippers" and American air defense in Saudi Arabia? Why not learn from the mistakes of others?
      And, in general, the production of just some kind of UAVs, without a clear strategy and tactics for their use, is pointless. By itself, a separate UAV is a target for air defense. In the modern version. Therefore, even before production, it is necessary to predict the tactics of their use in order not to throw money away. For example, the success of the same Shahids is that modern air defense is sharpened for completely different purposes, and often they simply do not see them.
  5. KCA
    +1
    9 December 2022 05: 58
    Somehow the author forgot about "Pacer" (Orion) and "Sirius", "Pacer" is not only produced, but also used, starting with testing prototypes in Syria and up to serial military equipment, it's just that "Kronstadt" was bought by the DMZ plant and built an assembly hangar? He is developing his own satellite communications system, just at the DMZ, where they make the ground component, in the new hangar the UAVs themselves. , although if they are included in the science city program, there will be an indulgence with taxes. Although, most likely, there are simply not enough of them so far, you can’t produce much at a pilot plant, and a serial plant in Dubna was opened less than a year ago, staff are still being recruited
    1. +5
      9 December 2022 07: 06
      Quote: KCA
      Somehow the author forgot about "Pacer" (Orion) and "Sirius"

      And remember them on a roll? "Orion" was recently put into service ... these "products" in the HRV are a little roll! And "Sirius" is still "tested" ... like "Altius"! Archi-DRLOs are needed now; but "Helios-RLD" was shoved by the Ministry of Defense into ... "secret" place where it's dark! I also agree with the opinion about the effectiveness of the "Hunter": well, that's not it! It's not that, guys!
      1. KCA
        -2
        9 December 2022 07: 32
        Well, so I wrote that Krondstadt opened a serial plant less than a year ago, they are still recruiting employees, and they not only need to be recruited, they also need to be trained and filled with skills, which is why there are few Pacers, and Sirius planned to start production in 2023, although it may kick received and accelerated
        1. +4
          9 December 2022 07: 57
          Unfortunately, even in the widespread, domestic Orlan, there are a lot of critical, imported components .. Pacers and Sirius .. well .. BMW, for example, was also "produced" in Kaliningrad simply by assembling from imported spare parts .. and now there are also sanctions , due to which either old or Chinese components are conditionally available ... although it’s better than nothing .. in principle, the example with Dobrynya is very clear - after all, a different form of the “frame-body” would have been used while maintaining the components and no one would guess...
          1. +1
            9 December 2022 10: 44
            Is there at least one country (which has a smaller population than China) that makes its own UAVs from its components on its own machines using its own resources? NO.
            1. 0
              9 December 2022 13: 15
              100% I think - no, but the USA, China - all critical components, produce on their territory .. and the USSR - produced ... the production cycle and assembly based on foreign components - this is somewhat different in any case, don't you think? I'm talking about this ... and that it's hard to get out now by creating a "world masterpiece" of UAVs in such conditions .. at least for a "C grade" to do ...
              1. -2
                9 December 2022 14: 22
                Consider that your goal has been achieved, you have shamed our military-industrial complex. Revealed, so to speak, their sluggishness and short-sightedness.
                So give them time to perceive criticism and correct the indicated shortcomings, for some reason I believe that they will correct themselves. crying
              2. +2
                9 December 2022 14: 40
                Here it is enough to recall the size of the same type of products of the USA / USSR. The scales will not be in our direction.
              3. -1
                9 December 2022 17: 36
                100% I think no

                All right
                but the USA, China - all critically important nodes, produce on their territory ..

                China? - so China has a population> 1 billion. And the Chinese use a lot of imported machines.
                USA? - Well, the USA uses imported components. (Japan, China, ..)
                and the USSR - produced ...

                In the USSR, there were 250 million, not 140.
                1. +1
                  10 December 2022 11: 10
                  You are right .. but why, take a Chinese drone and say, did we do / developed it? also take money for it? then it’s stupid to buy immediately in China and that’s it .. it’s definitely cheaper and more honest .. and without “cuts” .. at the same time, the task of saturating the UAV troops has been completed ..
    2. 0
      9 December 2022 21: 08
      And this author forgets a lot and in some places lies directly. And very well it disperses the evil and squeals "the mustache is gone - it's time to give up" from everything that is possible. And the fact that many people perceive this propaganda as true, without even trying to understand that the production of their UAV, given the limited market, will never be cheaper than the Chinese one, and that they should start with something to urgently saturate the army, is terrifying. For there is constructive criticism for the dominance of reports and lies, and there is a lie when any undertaking is poured with mud.
  6. +19
    9 December 2022 06: 07
    The main words with which I agree 1000% are "stop lying". I would also add stop stealing, the box has no pockets, you can’t take it with you. It is a pity that it is impossible to voice the cost of contracts with the Moscow Region ... Hair stands on end from the numbers. So no budget
    1. +1
      9 December 2022 10: 07
      And what do you suggest? More often write on the forum "stop lying" and shame-shame-shame? I don't think it will affect anyone in any way. And there are no controls!
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  8. +4
    9 December 2022 06: 19
    The situation is much worse than you even think, period, simply because the future of aviation is completely unmanned, maybe with the exception of some strategists. And not just unmanned, but autonomously unmanned, that is, not requiring communication with the ground on an ongoing basis. And massive.
    1. -3
      9 December 2022 06: 44
      the future of aviation is completely unmanned

      You are exactly 10 years ahead of development. Despite the successes in the UAV, a fully unmanned combat autonomous complex is a very distant and foggy future.
  9. +5
    9 December 2022 06: 29
    And this, unfortunately, is the norm of our life.
    AUTHOR:

    I read it - it became sad and sad!
    Thanks to Roman for the article!
    1. -1
      26 February 2023 23: 03
      Why don't you think with your own head? Roman is still a "specialist"
  10. -3
    9 December 2022 06: 34
    Look how much information, all gathered together.
  11. +4
    9 December 2022 06: 38
    You just need to start producing UAVs in Kolyma. Manturov to be appointed director. And that's it.
    1. +1
      9 December 2022 15: 52
      Quote: avia12005
      You just need to start producing UAVs in Kolyma. Manturov to be appointed director. And that's it.

      sad, but I agree ... "sharashki" would solve the problem quickly.
  12. +6
    9 December 2022 06: 41
    Honestly, I am very surprised that such an article with the "Dobrynya" dressing down was published on VO. As a person who has been in this field for 2 years, I got so burned when I found out that the TX12 app was created in Russia a couple of months ago, when, in fact, it has been in sale for more than one year.
  13. -15
    9 December 2022 06: 42
    Well, yes, right now we need another series of the series "everything is lost." When, in general, the government recognized that the developments in the field of UAVs are lagging behind and initiated their accelerated development, testing and implementation. Well, why write about it ...
    Why is the author firmly convinced that Chinese and American drones will not go astray easily? Our Hunter is an easy target, but is the Globalhawk invulnerable or what? Remember the story of the landing of the newest Sentinel in Iran.
    And why are Chinese small drones ahead of ours? Are you sure about this? Where is the protection from electronic warfare? Do you know that before sending them into battle, drones are reflashed and a printed cargo mount is hung on them? Or did someone test the latest Chinese Wing Loong-3 in combat conditions? Which with such a suspension will glow on the radar like a Christmas tree in a dark forest.
    What again is this fat smearing of dirt on our defense industry and hidden advertising of foreign developments? Where are the relevant comparisons?
    The next article will probably be about a 20-year lag in the field of microelectronics. And we can already guarantee that there will not be a single mention of our developments.
    It's a pity the cons of the article were removed.
    1. +14
      9 December 2022 07: 18
      The next article will probably be about a 20-year lag in the field of microelectronics. And we can already guarantee that there will not be a single mention of our developments.

      Next article d.b. on communication, the situation is one to one. They also bought rubbish in China, pasted their labels, the Ministry of Defense bought these "unparalleled in the world" communications equipment 10 times more expensive. And only the CBO revealed this deception.
    2. +6
      9 December 2022 10: 12
      Sentinel was not planted, he himself fell. That's the whole story. The Iranians didn’t “plant” anything else, they don’t have any miracle of electronic warfare, and no one has.
    3. +6
      9 December 2022 10: 48
      And such an article is needed because no later than this year, already during the NWO, one high official from a high rostrum reported that everything is fine with us with drones, there are both in terms of nomenclature and quantity. And, characteristically, I have not heard that he was punished for his outright lies.
    4. +1
      9 December 2022 19: 54
      the government recognized that developments in the field of UAVs are lagging behind and initiated their accelerated development, testing and implementation

      What does initiated mean? Did they sign another resolution, Putin's decree and allocate money? But how many of these decrees have already been stamped and money has been allocated for them. But things are not done and the results are not particularly visible. Where are the responsible people who must carry out these decrees and tasks? As it was under Stalin. Under him, a specific person, an official, was responsible for the task or direction entrusted to him. And it really brought results. These people were looking for opportunities to carry out the work assigned to them, and not for reasons not to do it. Remember from history about our nuclear project, the industrialization of the country, space, the military-industrial complex, etc. Behind all this were specific people who were asked and who were responsible for their affairs. We don't have that now. Therefore, no matter how much you initiate, don't allocate money, there will be no use. Everything goes into the sand.
    5. 0
      10 December 2022 17: 27
      Did you remember the old slogan "Long live Soviet microcalculators - the largest microcalculators in the world"? Where can they come from if Russia has not done anything in this area for 30 years at all? I have a friend in 1992 came to the Research Institute of Autoelectronics for distribution. While the head of the laboratory and 17 people under him were carrying pickled vegetables from Hungary in wagons, all the scientific work of the department was carried out by this guy plus the second one - Ilyukha. On batsali they there some stray from theft, soldered it on his knee. That's the whole industry across the country. In 1999, we bought a PCM protocol converter from LONIIS (Peter). Also - soldered on the knee with some kind of kulibins.
  14. +12
    9 December 2022 06: 42
    no semi-private design bureaus that want to make the technology of today or tomorrow will receive a penny for the implementation of their projects

    One such design bureau at the beginning of the XNUMXs was knocking around the thresholds in a building on Frunzenskaya Embankment with its own project. Zero attention. But, as soon as they tried to find a buyer outside the country, they were immediately interested in another department. The whole team immediately left for Israel and now their developments are working against us, and those who sent them away to the Moscow Region either in their places or in undeserved dachas with good state support.
  15. -7
    9 December 2022 06: 54
    Quote: Wedmak

    Why is the author firmly convinced that Chinese and American drones will not go astray easily? Our Hunter is an easy target, but is the Globalhawk invulnerable or what? Remember the story of the landing of the newest Sentinel in Iran.
    And why are Chinese small drones ahead of ours? Are you sure about this? Where is the protection from electronic warfare? Do you know that before sending them into battle, drones are reflashed and a printed cargo mount is hung on them? Or did someone test the latest Chinese Wing Loong-3 in combat conditions? Which with such a suspension will glow on the radar like a Christmas tree in a dark forest.
    What again is this fat smearing of dirt on our defense industry and hidden advertising of foreign developments? Where are the relevant comparisons?
    The next article will probably be about a 20-year lag in the field of microelectronics. And we can already guarantee that there will not be a single mention of our developments.
    It's a pity the cons of the article were removed.

    What else did you expect from "experts in everything"?
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    1. 0
      9 December 2022 07: 15
      And why is she bad? The fact that, for example, the control panel from Dobrynya can be bought in free sale or with aliexpress?
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  18. +5
    9 December 2022 07: 39
    Eighty. Million. Rubles. That's really, "study, student."

    Here it is not necessary here about the uniqueness of Russia. Back in America at the beginning of the last century, or even the end of the year before last, someone very intelligent (by chance, not O. Henry?) said something like this: "If you steal a dollar, they will put you in jail. If you steal a hundred thousand *, they will elect you to Congress."

    * One hundred thousand TEX dollars is like a few lams of current bucks. Inflation is a thing...
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  20. -3
    9 December 2022 07: 53
    The practice of the war in Ukraine has shown that in the case of unsuppressed air defense, conventional aircraft have nothing to catch in the sky, despite the possibility of maneuvering and using traps and other tricks. Shoot down. And a 25-ton iron, which does not know how to do anything from active protection, will be shot down even more so.

    If they had brought it to mind by putting an engine with a flat nozzle, then a 25-ton stealth iron flying along the bottoms with a bomb load would have won anything more than attack aircraft of the 80s glowing on radars like Christmas trees
    1. -5
      9 December 2022 08: 03
      If, at the same time, the NATO air reconnaissance fleet that "does not interfere" in the conflict did not help the enemy, it would be wonderful in general. The United States has a very advantageous position, everywhere they yell that they do not want to be drawn into the conflict, but in fact they supply mountains of weapons, intelligence information, consultations, mercenaries, money for mercenaries, and even almost indicate which targets need to be hit. If not participation in the conflict, then I don’t even know what participation is then - NATO military personnel on the front line? However ... there is information that the Poles are just personnel there and this is carefully hidden.
      1. +8
        9 December 2022 10: 11
        And this is very different from the support of Vietnam by the USSR? And before that, support for North Korea? Or was the degree of involvement of our country in the Arab-Israeli wars less? And the international brigades in Spain? The present situation cannot be called unprecedented even with a big stretch.
    2. +5
      9 December 2022 09: 32
      Quote from: User_neydobniu
      If they had brought it to mind by putting an engine with a flat nozzle, then a 25-ton iron using stealth technology flying along the bottoms with a bomb load would have won any more than attack aircraft of the 80s

      Yes, here's the "hack" ... the "stealth" nature of the "Hunter" is a big question! The statements of some "comrades" do not inspire confidence! Second: the longer the development period, the higher the likelihood of obsolescence by the start of mass production ... Third: it is difficult to understand how the supersonic (!) Su-57 will be able to effectively interact with the subsonic (!) -70 !
      1. 0
        9 December 2022 10: 15
        Do you think that the SU-57 should always fly supersonic? Well, he won't get far.
        1. 0
          9 December 2022 16: 12
          Quote from: Alex_mech
          Do you think that the SU-57 should always fly supersonic?

          Remember the "famous" phrase: "If you want to live, you won't get so upset!"...? The pilot wants to live ... all the danger zones, even "belly to the top", but he will try to slip through supersonic! And if the "invisibility" of the S-70 turns out to be frail, then it will also "signal" that the Su-57 is nearby!
          1. 0
            12 December 2022 15: 40
            So, then at first, on "supersonic" it's say 1,1 M or 2,5 M, on pre-sound, 0,8 M or 0,5 M. At what speed do you suppose the Su-57 will "jump", and on what S-70 or what will it be called later? And, most importantly, why?
        2. +1
          9 December 2022 16: 58
          5th generation implies cruising supersonic
          1. 0
            12 December 2022 15: 42
            In any case, supersonic and subsonic are different flight modes. I strongly doubt that since "supersonic" means cruising, it means that you always need to fly supersonic with increased fuel consumption at all altitudes.
      2. +4
        9 December 2022 15: 01
        Nikolaevich! Not understanding is required, obedience is required! They take us for a herd of sheep.
        1. +3
          9 December 2022 16: 16
          Quote: Alien From
          They take us for a herd of sheep.

          Unfortunately ... Often, the behavior of the authorities can be described in this way!
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  22. +3
    9 December 2022 08: 04
    Sadness! Nothing has changed since 2015. As they cut the budget, they continue to cut it. The worst thing is that the devastation is in the minds of all these effective managers and competent experts. Looks like the "fried rooster" has not pecked our leadership in the crown of the head yet.
    1. +3
      9 December 2022 10: 17
      nothing threatens the leadership, neither a rooster, nor the impoverishment of profits, nor losing weight from the need to quickly hide from spotter drones.
    2. +5
      9 December 2022 11: 40
      The worst thing is that it all spills the blood of our ordinary citizens, who in the trenches with a simple machine gun correct all these, to put it mildly, mistakes.
      1. +5
        9 December 2022 12: 56
        Quote from AdAstra
        The worst thing is that it all spills the blood of our ordinary citizens, who in the trenches with a simple machine gun correct all these, to put it mildly, mistakes.

        In light of this, it is disgusting to hear the statements of the authorities about the protection of the "Russian world" and the Russian people in Ukraine. They put a bolt on their own Russians, what can we say about Russians in Ukraine? The unscrupulous capitalists wanted to spit on the common people. They pitted the proletarians and they do business on blood.
        1. +1
          9 December 2022 14: 27
          Or maybe it was not worth shouting about "Muscovite to Gilyak" and shelling Donetsk for 8 years? Maybe then it would have cost, for those who are on the other side, they love to jump and scream. winked
          1. +1
            9 December 2022 15: 05
            Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
            Maybe then it would have cost, for those who are on the other side, they love to jump and scream.

            Some screamed, but everyone suffered. There are always fewer provocateurs than ordinary people. And in 8 years, so many people did not die in Donetsk, as in 10 months of the NWO. If so, cynically, to say, then for those 8 years of shelling of Donbass, Ukraine has already been avenged. In the LDNR, there will soon be no more men left after such a "liberation". And until now, Donetsk under the gun. There is not even a hint that someone responsible for such planning and equipping the army will be responsible. Therefore, to each his own - profit to the capitalists, loss to the people.
  23. DO
    -1
    9 December 2022 08: 48
    In general, there is nothing to argue.
    However, the author also has a statement "over the edge":
    But we are worn with the unfortunate "Hunter". They created it for more than 10 years, somehow built two samples, one was taught to fly. In August 2020, the media reported that the S-70 would go into production in 2023. But something tells me that this will not happen for many reasons, the main of which is its complete worthlessness.
    The practice of the war in Ukraine has shown that in the case of unsuppressed air defense, conventional aircraft have nothing to catch in the sky, despite the possibility of maneuvering and using traps and other tricks. Shoot down.

    Each military drone has its own niche where it is effective.
    Stealth, which can carry full-weight missiles, is needed to work on important targets - for example, on ships equipped with radars, as well as on ground-based air defense radars, and on other important objects on the ground.
    It is undesirable for such a drone to fly through enemy air defense zones due to its high cost. However, in those atypical cases when it is necessary, it is better to risk a drone than pilots in an even more expensive fighter-bomber or attack aircraft.
  24. +2
    9 December 2022 09: 02
    And that's what Putin is for. This whole corruption scheme is based on it. He doesn't give up his. Now imagine that someone else will come? And that's it. And these "Rogozins", instead of drinking the budget, will cut something else. That's why mediocre elections do not lose! Boycott the elections - boycott Putin! This is my campaign slogan.
    1. +2
      9 December 2022 10: 19
      And if so, then of course. If the people declare a boycott, then Putin will not be re-elected (sarcasm). There will be 80% of the votes "for" plus or minus a couple of percent.
      1. +2
        9 December 2022 10: 36
        "then Putin will not be re-elected (sarcasm)."
        If 80% of the population does not come to the elections, how will they then say that Putin is supported by 80%? Panfilova will always have Putin's victory for 70%!!
        1. +2
          9 December 2022 12: 21
          how will they then say that Putin is supported by 80%

          So they will say, "eighty percent." "What are you going to do to us?"
        2. 0
          9 December 2022 12: 31
          What nonsense! That is why the quantitative qualification was abolished. Even if 100 people from all over Russia come, they will count how many people out of this hundred voted in one way or another. 80 people will vote for Putin, which means that 80% of the population expressed their approval.
          Therefore, the less people come to vote, the more profitable the ruling thieves.
        3. +3
          9 December 2022 15: 20
          steelmaker
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          0
          "then Putin will not be re-elected (sarcasm)."
          If 80% of the population does not come to the elections, how will they then say that Putin is supported by 80%? Panfilova will always have Putin's victory for 70%!!


          .... today this problem is solved by "remote" voting .... therefore, whether voters come to vote at the polling stations or not, it no longer plays a big role .... in the Gas Elections system there will be the right .. 146% ....
    2. +2
      9 December 2022 15: 01
      This is the problem, all sorts of Chemezovs are not fired
  25. +4
    9 December 2022 09: 34
    Quote: tatarin1972
    Everything is solved, it is only necessary to make the ending of the life of one or several top managers near the wall normal, things will immediately get off the ground, and if in the contract, when hiring, it is mandatory to prescribe the wall, then in general we will not notice the boundaries of perfection.

    The raven will not peck out the crow.
  26. +3
    9 December 2022 09: 56
    All within the framework of one call: “Stop lying to us!”.

    Well, you can get to the idea that they lied not only in this... Perhaps even in everything. It's just that in the technical sphere everything is more or less unambiguous, but in the economy with politics, numbers and owls can be juggled as you like.
  27. +3
    9 December 2022 10: 00
    Quote: Hagen
    the best air defense systems in the world

    Why do you think so? Is it because these same people told you so?
  28. +2
    9 December 2022 10: 06
    As Skomorokhov himself writes about the Nazgul / Dobrynya - our fighters will take them, and they will also thank you, because a bad drone is much better than none. And the peculiarity of really domestic developments is that you can invest a lot of money in them, and at the end you get only reports, promises are about to create another analog, and demands for even more money. And so on ad infinitum.
  29. 0
    9 December 2022 10: 30
    Here it is necessary to open a business, a good promising niche
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    2. +2
      9 December 2022 14: 56
      I don't recommend even trying. The market was divided many years ago.
  30. +4
    9 December 2022 10: 55
    Unfortunately, in our country, if something is produced, it is only that which brings money to the oligarchs with two conditions: production must be with a profitability of at least 100% and windfall profits must begin no later than in a year.
    1. 0
      9 December 2022 12: 01
      The market for such devices is monopolized ... and there is a lot of money here. Now China is on it.
  31. Eug
    +3
    9 December 2022 11: 30
    "Import substitution" in all its glory ... although on the other hand - if it is URGENTLY necessary, then why not, especially if with the necessary modifications and serious price restrictions. In short, tight control, control and more control.
    1. 0
      9 December 2022 19: 10
      they control themselves in our country.
  32. 0
    9 December 2022 12: 00
    And they have been working for a long time. Departing from the airfield of the Sigonella base in Sicily (Italy), the Hawks have been flying for eight years over the Black Sea and along our borders from Georgia to Belarus.


    , It’s interesting to me that they don’t even do trial developments in this segment. You can also work out the system on what flies.? Take, for example, the Far UAV, there are passenger liners of the Yak42 type, of which there are many with a decent resource, there are new SSZh100. In the unmanned version, you can get a decent flight and patrol time there. And before the unmanned version, you can also make manned ones.
    And we have something to see...
  33. +1
    9 December 2022 12: 15
    It would be nice to hear from Borisov about the work of the defense industry and not only on the topic of drones, but also the main thing on the topic of air defense and the protection of military and civilian facilities, people's lives from rocket and artillery shelling and strikes from unmanned aerial vehicles.
  34. +1
    9 December 2022 12: 19
    Maybe when we change the generation of generals, then they will begin to attach importance to unmanned aircraft?
    1. +2
      9 December 2022 15: 07
      I doubt they can only be asked forward with their feet. Yes, and the generals have their own grandchildren, the same. sad
  35. +6
    9 December 2022 12: 24
    Otherwise, in an inherited estate society divided by an abyss of moral and ethical norms, there can be no life goals and life values. As with personnel policy based on nepotism and personal devotion in the absence of social and personnel lifts in the public administration system from the dense past, created with one goal - plunder, sale and profit, in which the only criterion for measuring everything and everyone, spiritual and material, success and achievements are exclusively loot, "effective managers" are exempted from any responsibility before the law and people, for any crimes, if they are in a system where the civil service is a personal and "eternal" inherited family business project. Therefore, the system of education and upbringing, the corresponding security and control services have been destroyed, and an imitation electoral system has been created that excludes even the minimal possibility of changing power and the principles of social policy by legal methods.
    So is it any wonder that the lower class is removed from any influence on power and politics, and the upper, based on the cry "get rich" cuts loot out of thin air in all possible ways, without denying yourself anything and fearing nothing, everything is sold and everything is bought that the financial system is still working for global financial speculators, solving the problems of anyone except its own country, completely not responsible for the development of the economy, having turned from a tool of the government into a subject that determines the pace and direction of development itself, based on once and for all assimilated instructions from overseas "partners" since the 90s. These people stood at the origins of the betrayal and destruction of the once great power, they spent their entire conscious working life, after Oxford, Yale and other studies, with the appropriate level of intelligence, diligently following the instructions and orders of the globalists purposefully and professionally betrayed, sold off, destroyed, provided flows and served the interests of Western powers, so why all of a sudden, already at an advanced age, when there is no time for active creativity and new ideas, but you want to take a nap, wrapped in a blanket and sitting by the fireplace, they should change dramatically, change their mentality, attitude towards the country and people, whom they despised all their lives and considered them as prey and a source of personal wealth. Of course, there are decent, honest people in that environment, thanks to whose enthusiasm we still exist and function as a state, but in my opinion, the layman, the state system from the 90s does not allow us to adequately respond and use the full potential of our country and people, on the contrary, it suppresses them.
  36. +1
    9 December 2022 12: 28
    Our bosses at least have a stake on their heads. And another thing is possible: in the Russian Federation, further development of technologies is impossible because of the climate. Technology has evolved to the limit. "Stirlitz fired point-blank. The point fell."
    1. +1
      9 December 2022 15: 10
      Stirlitz gave the cat gasoline to drink, the cat walked two meters and fell. Gasoline ran out, Stirlitz thought!)
  37. +2
    9 December 2022 12: 28
    Damn, in the early 80s we collected "drones" in aeromodelling circles! And they flew! And they flew far! And they were controlled from the ground with the help of iron boxes with antennas and buttons. And movie cameras were attached to them, and then they enthusiastically watched movies from their neighbors in a photo club! And on a dare, these planes landed at a specific point! Forty years ago, UAVs could be "constructed" by schoolchildren from manure and sticks! Three-de printers did not exist then, as well as processors. In our Fatherland, progress is somehow strange.
  38. vdm
    +1
    9 December 2022 13: 32
    Four years ago, the Russian company LLC "New Technologies" developed and demonstrated a variant of landing on a moving platform (deck) in automatic mode. According to the results of the Army 2020, after a demonstration to the leadership of the Ministry of Defense, there was a written decision indicating the design and company, but, as it turned out, these decisions of the leadership are simply ignored, they opened work on a different design and with a company outside the UAV. And, as you know: "Catching Orlan on deck with a net is better, or rather more profitable."
    Takeoff and landing videos can be found at www.neng.ru


    1. -2
      9 December 2022 22: 02
      well, Orlan would be preferable .. in fact, on the video, only the technological principle itself ... the UAV itself, where? how long can it stay in the air? speed, how far can it fly? what channels does it support and at what range? If we take the data that is now there, then sorry, but Orlan-10, and even more so 30tka covers him like a bull to a sheep
  39. -1
    9 December 2022 13: 40
    In general, Roman Skomorokhov is the most honest and interesting author of a military review.
    1. +1
      9 December 2022 14: 49
      But didn’t he go too far with the assumption that “.. Dobrynya will earn someone a very modest apartment in Moscow City or a small hut on Rublyovka ..” (c)? wassat
      1. +1
        9 December 2022 17: 02
        Most likely, he did not bend, because he considered retail prices. When buying in bulk, the price can be safely divided by 2, i.e. "modest apartments" will be two. Or one is not modest.
  40. +4
    9 December 2022 14: 36
    As far as I understand, everything depends on electronics. These are your chips and cameras. There is no domestic element base, the horse-radish wept for domestic optics. And without this, the drone is just a toy for athletes and aircraft modellers. If we don't know how to do it, we have to buy it. Order about a hundred thousand drones in China. Both we with drones and the Chinese are satisfied.
    1. Alf
      +2
      9 December 2022 19: 21
      Quote: Andrey77
      Order about a hundred thousand drones in China.

      Are you sure that China will sell? Where did Lenovo go from the Russian market?
      1. 0
        13 December 2022 12: 34
        No. But I did not negotiate with the Chinese side.
  41. +3
    9 December 2022 14: 38
    Fraud in civilian life is a shameful and harmful deed. And during the war, eyewash = betrayal. But they don't touch anyone, their own! But our soldiers are dying.
  42. +3
    9 December 2022 15: 00
    However, the work that has been going on since 2011 cannot see a natural end in any way, and therefore we do not have strategic long-range reconnaissance UAVs.
    ----------------------------------------
    As a result, the drone Altius was squeezed out by an office close to Chemezov, the developer was imprisoned, although the prototype had already flown and the wringers successfully ruined the project.
    A typical story of which there were many and no one answered.
  43. +2
    9 December 2022 15: 34
    Well, what did you want? Chemezov was slandered by extortionists. Extortionists have been valiantly imprisoned, respected people continue to do good to our Motherland.
    No, this system can no longer be repaired, everything is rotten inside and out. Just change completely.
    1. Alf
      +1
      9 December 2022 19: 23
      Quote: Zoer
      No, this system can no longer be repaired, everything is rotten inside and out. Just change completely.

  44. +1
    9 December 2022 16: 41
    As the Chief Judge Zorkin said, laughing about the abolition of the moratorium on the death penalty - the flag is in your hands. As long as liberals and good-hearted intellectuals are in power, there will be no order. You look at all these laughing, unresponsive faces and you begin to understand Stalin.
  45. 0
    9 December 2022 17: 14
    But we are worn with the unfortunate "Hunter". They created it for more than 10 years, somehow built two samples, one was taught to fly. In August 2020, the media reported that the S-70 would go into production in 2023. But something tells me that this will not happen for many reasons, the main of which is its complete worthlessness.

    Roman, are you a big and big drone specialist ??
    Did you understand what you wrote about? This suggests that they are absolutely not competent in combat and heavy drones. This is not for you to rivet on your knee, like Chinese toys.
    1. 0
      13 December 2022 12: 44
      If we are talking about heavy drones, then this is already quite a serious UAV. And yes, it must be designed like an airplane, design bureaus should be involved, etc. It's all about the price. It's easier to buy. I think so.
  46. +1
    9 December 2022 18: 08
    Let's say thanks to our Minister of Defense Comrade. Shoigu. Who cut the development of our UAVs, and now gave it to the reckless suckers. The monstrous wrecking of our defense continues. The absence of severe punishment unties the hands of such grabbers.
    1. 0
      13 December 2022 12: 47
      Call it "development". I have been in the sport class (light drone) for several years now. And studied the history of the issue.
  47. 0
    9 December 2022 18: 33
    Skomorokhov can be recognized from a thousand .... Let's start .. since when did the Lancet become ineffective with us? and what kind of miracle is this "non-lancet"? They didn’t even add photos of what we are talking about ... Further, 100500 is an attempt to attract hype on an empty place .. I repeat, first you need to see Dobrynya, test it on the NWO. and then write an expert opinion .. And about "but they could do it themselves" ... It seems like adults should understand what industry is .. or as I understand it in our house, everyone at home will be able to assemble a modern quadrocopter from a pair of wires and an old board and that it costs 50 rubles? If Dobrynya is able to perform the functions assigned to him, namely reconnaissance using a thermal imager and the ability to install a suspension with RGD-5, then definitely take it, even if it is completely from Chinese components, with further localization ...
    1. -1
      9 December 2022 19: 02
      By the way, I’ll add .. Why on December 9, well, on December 8, Roman was able to read Kharchenko’s note, but damn it, he couldn’t read the answer from the developer? So let me add:

      The Dobrynya quadrocopter produced by the Almaz-Antey concern is built on a standard solution to speed up its creation, RIA Novosti reports, citing chief designer Yegor Shcherbakov.

      “Specific models of foreign UAVs were not taken as the basis for development, but focused on the class of UAVs (sport FPV drones), which was done to accelerate the development and application of advanced developments that can be mass-produced at the enterprise without the use of expensive preparation operations (casting, stamping etc). Since we are catching up in the market, it was impossible not to take advantage of the experience of competitors, especially considering the period during which the mass production of UAVs was launched. This is also why the model was based on a class of sports FPV devices, and not a specific model, but an alloy of developments and concepts that gradually appeared in it, ”commented Shcherbakov.

      According to the designer, the main thing is that the product has already been put into mass production and does not need to be reflashed for use in Russia.

      “The work of Dobrynya does not depend on the whims of foreign companies, our UAVs cannot be remotely blocked through firmware. Domestic: case, fasteners, wires. The frame, casing, lodgement, flight controller and software for it are of our own design. The printed circuit boards are made in Russia. In the first series of drones, imported ones are installed: a camera, video and telemetry transmitters, an engine speed controller, and antennas. Engines and batteries were installed both domestic and imported,” the designer explained.
      “We are talking about our development. Dobrynya is a product of the work of our engineers and designers. Naturally, there are components that are still easier to buy than to produce, but their share is constantly decreasing. The product is constantly being upgraded, the proportion of components of its own design is increasing in it. Already at the next stage, the UAV will receive a control panel with a built-in screen of its own design. Own control channels - telemetry and video transmission, ADS-B transmitter for designation in airspace, ”said the designer.



      Those. it turns out that the designers took the normal path and instead of "going uphill" went around and took proven solutions with the subsequent localization and deployment of their production ... Well, as for the price .. I would like to see a "completely domestic quadrocopter" that will be assembled at home on the knee, which will not be inferior in terms of performance characteristics and cost less than a serial Chinese one.
  48. 0
    9 December 2022 18: 42
    Let's learn from our ancestors:
    1. If the amount of the bribe (damage to the state) is enough to purchase a rope, then ... Well, you understand.
    2. If he said something, but could not prove it, burn the letter K on his forehead.
    1. -2
      9 December 2022 19: 11
      well, then you need to confess the same principle to the accusers, otherwise it’s interesting to come out .. I saw that the quadric looks like a specific model, then they wrote off its description and, with an epic look, began to accuse the developer of betraying the Motherland ... That is. if it is found that the developer did not screw up, then what? Oh sorry?
      1. 0
        9 December 2022 19: 36
        Quote: Barberry25
        If he said something, but could not prove it, burn the letter K on his forehead.

        This is an ancient Roman law. If a person made an accusation against another person, but could not prove his words, a slanderer was branded on his forehead.
        I think it is understandable that the law was applied to accusers so that they would not carry too much ...
        1. -2
          9 December 2022 19: 38
          those. if one has a bullet for violating, and the other only the letter K? I didn’t understand the principle itself ... but I am in favor of balance if I accused, then bring evidence, and if only empty words, then you don’t need to blame .. otherwise we have based on such empty accusations they can break a person’s life, and then they will pretend that they didn’t say anything
          1. 0
            9 December 2022 20: 40
            Quote: Barberry25
            if one has a bullet for violating, and the other only the letter K? I didn’t understand the principle itself ... but I am in favor of balance if I accused, then bring evidence, and if only empty words, then you don’t need to blame .. otherwise we have based on such empty accusations they can break a person’s life, and then they will pretend that they didn’t say anything

            I subscribe to every word. But in this article, I did not see a single proof of a single thesis, but a lot of accusations of theft and embezzlement. Perhaps the author is right .... Or maybe he is slandering. That's what I'm up to...
            1. -2
              9 December 2022 21: 46
              well, the developer answered .. and there we’ll say everything on the case and with an explanation of the price .. and about the accusations, I think it was like that ... at the exhibition they saw a drone .. they remembered that it looked like Chinese .. they listed what is part of the Chinese and thought that ours has everything the same ... like the nameplates only change .. In general, until there is a drone on the test at the forefront, empty words
              1. 0
                9 December 2022 22: 45
                Quote: Barberry25
                at the forefront

                Let ours be lucky there ...
  49. +1
    9 December 2022 18: 51
    Skomorokhov in most of his articles and in this one also writes on the case. Like it or not, but this is what it really is. The situation with our monopolists, state and semi-state enterprises of the military-industrial complex with managers appointed to them according to incomprehensible criteria, has always been negative for the healthy development of our economy. The absence of any competition, control and responsibility there has always led and continues to lead to inadequate overpricing and contracts for their main customer and buyer of the state. They are in no way interested in reducing the cost and improving the quality of their products, on the contrary, by controlling their affiliated suppliers, they overestimate it as they want. Many of us know how the so-called independent price reasonableness audits are carried out. Serdyukov, the former Ministry of Defense, who carried out the so-called "optimization" of the army and navy, tried, here we must give him his due, in a voluntarist way, to fight against the prohibitive overpricing of the defense industry. But this monster just swept him away. How it all works and why we still do not mass-produce modern drones can be understood by the example of the Altius UAV mentioned by the author. Somewhere in early 2011-2012, our Defense Ministry, realizing that our country was catastrophically lagging behind advanced countries in the production of UAVs, decided to conclude a contract for the development of a project and the creation of a 5-ton drone with a private Kazan design bureau, objectively assessing the capabilities of the state. The design bureau of our military-industrial complex, as well as the prices and terms that they could set. For 5 billion rubles, Kazan developed a project, built a prototype, which made its first flight in 2016. To complete the work, the design bureau requested additional funding from the Ministry of Defense. Instead of sorting it out, giving an opportunity to complete the work and bring the matter to mass production of a drone that is critically needed by the army, the Defense Ministry accused the head of the design bureau of misuse of funds, violation of the contract. The project and the experienced Altius were taken away and transferred (UZGA) to the Ural civil aviation plant to a muddy company affiliated with Rostec and having a high patron from the government. This UZGA promised to quickly and for a lot of money launch altius into a series. But six years have passed, and this has not yet happened, and it is not known whether it will happen at all. Nothing is said about this project at the moment. By the way, there was no court decision on charges of the head of the Kazan Design Bureau for misuse of funds. It is easy to squeeze out a project that promises huge money and ruin it. But to bring it to mind. This requires a lot of things, incl. competencies, and it seems that new performers lack them. Potential private investors and developers of UAVs or other products familiar with this story will think twice before entering into contracts with the DoD. The history of this Dobrynya UAV, of course, does not do honor to such an enterprise as Diamond-Antey, but even if it allows such things, what can we say about other monopolists. It is possible that in antee diamonds the prices for their main products are too high. It is difficult to resist the temptation, taking advantage of the situation, not particularly straining to quickly cut down money from the treasury. And most importantly, do not bear any responsibility for this.
    1. 0
      9 December 2022 21: 31
      And what prevents these talented people from starting their own production of civilian UAVs? Well, start with household and prove to everyone your worth? Why should we start immediately with the military? Everything always starts small and goes further, or again someone interferes? Greed and the desire to grab money tomorrow get in the way. And you can grab only from the state, otherwise it will be long and painful. And you can even fly.
      And as for monopolies in the military sphere ... Can you point your finger at a country where small firms are engaged in the production of weapons and military equipment? Or at least a dozen firms producing one nomenclature and competing with each other?
  50. -1
    9 December 2022 21: 10
    Although much of what was shown at the exhibition, you can simply take and run on the conveyor. But this is a separate issue, which will be discussed in more detail below.

    The author of the news several times sent information to the UDP, to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, to all members of the State Duma of the Russian Federation, and to all members of the Federation Council of the State Duma.
  51. -1
    9 December 2022 21: 16
    How much does Almaz-Antey buy Chinese components or ready-made drones and how much does it sell to the Russian Defense Ministry? This is secret information. In my understanding, Almaz-Antey is following the path of copying and refining ready-made Chinese designs from a cheap niche. Almaz-Antey does not have the time, personnel, or finances to develop a new one. The front needs a drone now. Almaz-Antey’s income is 80 million rubles, the money will go to salaries of employees, not oligarchs. In the Russian Federation, the entire industry is below par, and not just aviation. There are no radio electronics either. How will a drone fly without r/e filling?
    1. 0
      13 December 2022 13: 00
      Almaz-Antey has higher priority tasks. These are air defense systems. The front doesn't need air defense? I am in defense of Almaz-Antey.
  52. +4
    9 December 2022 21: 18
    It’s interesting that any article by Skomorokhov ends with one thing - Russia has no future. As a conclusion, any new revolution with the destruction of the regime is necessary. Only this will save the country and give it a future. I’m just wondering, what kind of revolution should there be? Bourgeois? Socialist? Or just a military coup like in Latin America? Who is our Pinochet?
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  53. +1
    9 December 2022 21: 23
    bmpd:

    A little about the Dobrynya quadrocopter developed by the Almaz-Antey Concern VKO, which caused some noise and criticism in social networks. Without touching on the operational characteristics of this, it is still obvious to a large extent a "trial" device, where assessments should be given by specialists and users, we will express a number of comments from the AST Center, as an organization dealing with issues of military-technical cooperation and the defense complex, about the criticism that has been heard in these aspects .
    It is quite obvious that now Russia is critically dependent on China as a whole and on Chinese manufacturing companies for the supply of both "mavik-like" small UAVs and components for them. The position of the PRC leadership in relation to cooperation with the Russian Federation in such areas is very contradictory, while Chinese companies that depend on Western markets for sales will be all the more extra-cautious in sales with obviously military purposes in the Russian Federation. At the same time, such UAVs are increasingly becoming "consumables" of war and are required in huge quantities. Deliveries from China can be dosed or simply cut off at any time, the same applies to the possible assembly from "nameplate change" kits. And no price parameters will play any role in this case. Thus, the Russian Federation is faced with the task of organizing the assembly of such UAVs at home, and in large quantities. It is clear that the basic equipment will have to and will naturally be Chinese, but the choice of components itself also requires certain guarantees of quality stability and availability and guaranteed large volumes of supplies, so the choice of components for Russian manufacturers is already somewhat limited by these criteria. This, by the way, including on the issue of price. It is far from always possible to buy the most desired and at the same time the cheapest in the required volumes and terms.
    A little about the Dobrynya quadrocopter developed by the Almaz-Antey Concern VKO, which caused some noise and criticism in social networks. Without touching on the operational characteristics of this, it is still obvious to a large extent a "trial" device, where assessments should be given by specialists and users, we will express a number of comments from the AST Center, as an organization dealing with issues of military-technical cooperation and the defense complex, about the criticism that has been heard in these aspects .
    It is quite obvious that now Russia is critically dependent on China as a whole and on Chinese manufacturing companies for the supply of both "mavik-like" small UAVs and components for them. The position of the PRC leadership in relation to cooperation with the Russian Federation in such areas is very contradictory, while Chinese companies that depend on Western markets for sales will be all the more extra-cautious in sales with obviously military purposes in the Russian Federation. At the same time, such UAVs are increasingly becoming "consumables" of war and are required in huge quantities. Deliveries from China can be dosed or simply cut off at any time, the same applies to the possible assembly from "nameplate change" kits. And no price parameters will play any role in this case. Thus, the Russian Federation is faced with the task of organizing the assembly of such UAVs at home, and in large quantities. It is clear that the basic equipment will have to and will naturally be Chinese, but the choice of components itself also requires certain guarantees of quality stability and availability and guaranteed large volumes of supplies, so the choice of components for Russian manufacturers is already somewhat limited by these criteria. This, by the way, including on the issue of price. It is far from always possible to buy the most desired and at the same time the cheapest in the required volumes and terms.

    Judging by what we see in Dobryn, there is no talk of a purely screwdriver assembly, and an attempt was made to implement at least our own circuitry. It is also very important to use domestic software in order not to depend on the notorious firmware and increase noise immunity.
    The accusations of "copying" are strange enough in themselves, since at the current stage this should be considered rather a plus. The mania of the domestic defense industry for the invention of "unparalleled" products is quite often harmful, and in many cases copying the best and most developed foreign designs and concepts would be much more profitable. The Chinese themselves, as you know, are not at all shy about this, actively copying everything they can. Therefore, the use of a mass-produced common model as a prototype, especially under tight deadlines, if it was, deserves approval, not censure.
    The main criticism was caused, however, by the "inflated" price of "Dobrynya" in comparison with mass Chinese devices of this class. Without touching upon the issues of the finality of the declared price as a whole, as well as the configuration that affects this price, we will only point out that the requirement to produce products at the "Chinese" price in itself is simply not serious. No one can now compete with the Chinese "world factory" in terms of production efficiency. It is precisely because of the low cost of production in China that the industry of the whole world is moving to China, including from the most developed countries. The domestic and foreign markets for Chinese drone manufacturers, and therefore their production volumes, are so colossal that no Russian manufacturer can even dream of them. Wishes to Russian manufacturers to work with Chinese efficiency and cost are a complete utopia. Small-scale (compared to Chinese volumes) production of anything in Russia will always be obviously more expensive than in China.
    Let us also note that in general there is an unfounded myth about the supposedly low cost of defense products in Russia. In fact, taking into account the fact that the defense industry of the Russian Federation is fully affected by all the problems of domestic material production, which is generally inefficient and expensive by world standards, with a narrow market, there can be no talk of any special cheapness of military equipment and weapons in the Russian Federation. speech. Such an anomaly of the relative cheapness of military production existed in the planned economy of the USSR (and then in the form of a "Soviet trace" in the 1990s and early 2000s), but miracles do not happen - this cheapness was compensated by the high cost, inefficiency and deficits in other sectors of the Soviet economic system that actually subsidized the Soviet defense industry.
    Today, Almaz-Antey is required to mass-produce such drones in the amount of thousands per month, without interruptions in supply and without significant and long-term external investment in production. "Almaz-Antey" claims that it has already organized all this. With testing, and with quality control department. Any claims can be made not against Almaz-Antey, but against the highest authorities, who have not been able since the spring to carry out a genuine mobilization of state and private industry for truly mass development and production of small drones. We need hundreds of models of small drones and loitering ammunition that could be produced at hundreds of enterprises and firms, gradually selecting the best and most viable samples - just like in the First World War such a wide production front could solve the problem of producing artillery shells. However, any realist should understand that in this case, 99% of manufacturers would have either the drones themselves or their components from the same Aliexpress. Therefore, Almaz-Antey's initiative deserves every possible encouragement, not attacks.
  54. 0
    9 December 2022 21: 45
    Until our Ministry of Defense learns how to purchase with broad involvement of business, nothing will change. An independent audit and open bidding materials can teach you about procurement. The army and navy lose much more from closed contractual bidding and the lack of independent discussion than from removing secrecy. The army was financed under secret provisions, but we see the effect of these cash injections.
    Unfortunately, there is no normal position on this issue from the head of the State Duma Defense Committee. It seems to me that he is just a watchman.
  55. 0
    9 December 2022 23: 06
    We will all eventually get everything we deserve with such military-political leadership. The future is vague and bleak, at least for Russian patriots.
  56. 0
    10 December 2022 00: 12
    So it turns out I’m also a KB type. From spare parts from Ali about 4 years ago I built a quadric on NAZE. And it flies! Now for two years now, in between house renovations, I’ve been tinkering with the second, smaller one. And here is such a cut! It’s a pity they won’t buy my products for 130 thousand.
  57. -3
    10 December 2022 00: 22
    But Putin called on him to believe only in him!!!!
  58. +1
    10 December 2022 01: 14
    Quote: Hagen
    get money and pay, among others, designers to create something else

    They pay their loved ones well. But the designers are paid as if these designers are not needed at all.
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    1. 0
      10 December 2022 15: 01
      I don’t understand what exactly Almaz-Antey does? Rama? Maybe it’s made from some kind of composite that helps reduce the weight of the drone by 200 grams? You can’t just blatantly throw on 80 rubles? Sounds WILD!
  60. +1
    10 December 2022 03: 47
    It would be better if the pioneers were invited to create drones; they know a lot about models. And warriors also saw weights, like Shura Balaganov.
  61. 0
    10 December 2022 10: 03
    There are no unsolvable problems. There are simply people who can solve them, and there are people who cannot solve them, but only promise to solve them. Personnel decides everything
  62. +2
    10 December 2022 10: 34
    The combination is clear. Skomorokhov (is this his real name or nickname?) throws in an article here about some shortcomings in the Russian Federation, and then a chorus of all-goers joins the discussion. I wouldn’t be surprised if it turns out that part of the choir are cypsos.
  63. +3
    10 December 2022 11: 24
    Not everyone respects Khodakovsky, but let me quote him to understand the essence of the problem.
    Everything where money goes is perceived by the changed consciousness of modern people as food supply. It is not the top officials who set up the spider web into which money flies, but a whole host of their subordinates, whose names you and I will never know. They collect kickbacks, they contribute the required shares - and more often this way than otherwise. Here we are talking about lofty things, but they tell me about one soon-to-be-rich man who, in the spirit of running out of money, went on a rampage and drunkenly crashed his third Mercedes Gelendvagen. Where do you think he got so rich in our difficult times? - On the restoration of Mariupol. Who needs to be removed from office to erase this from their heads?
    1. 0
      10 December 2022 15: 00
      Yes, theft is a disease, if a swindler begins to take kickbacks, he can no longer be stopped, and while the lower classes are tearing the veins, at the top, in a stupefying spirit, they are buying up real estate in Dubai and preparing alternate airfields...
    2. 0
      10 December 2022 20: 55
      Quote: Dmitrich__B
      Who needs to be removed from office to erase this from their heads?

      It's too late to shoot. Just shoot. Crimes in the financial sector involving an attempt on budget funds should be punished as for treason, and not as it is now... they threaten a pink ass with a finger and a silk strap.
  64. msm
    +1
    10 December 2022 12: 21
    In the current situation, despite all the numerous cries of indignation and calls to improve matters, nothing will change.
    Some will steal, others will be indignant...
  65. +2
    10 December 2022 12: 23
    I didn't understand. If they don’t do it, it’s bad. They are trying to set up a screwdriver assembly with replacing the control board and housing - even worse. And about the attacks on Armata, Su-57 and Okhotnik. The Su-57 is in production, the plant is complaining about a lack of space, the Armata is undergoing state tests. Hunter. We kind of yell that the Su57 isn’t invisible enough, and when they gave it a sleek companion, we declare that it’s useless. If the United States had done this, now the author would be upset that we don’t have this.
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  66. 0
    10 December 2022 12: 42
    Russian artillery doesn't have drones?? Shooting "according to WWI canons"? 1500 Eagles don't exist? The author is lying. In the eyes of the public.
  67. +3
    10 December 2022 12: 54
    There is no end in sight to such materials, if you think about it, how else are we fighting? And maybe our losses are no less than those of the Ukrainians, given the masterful bullshit of our Defense Ministry, I mean, they don’t give a fuck what they say, they think the people are gobbling up everything. And the worst thing is that all the defendants recently smiled cheerfully in the Kremlin, Sh, B, G, and that means there is nothing good to expect....
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    1. 0
      10 December 2022 14: 50
      The question is what the military itself needs on the front line. Who collects demands from them? If, for example, it is a state structure, then she will first organize a directorate of programs, then a directorate of projects, buy a couple of cars to transport the director and deputy, organize a transport department, then buy a bunch of furniture, after which all the director’s friends and former colleagues will be organized, and then maybe they will hire Vasya the engineer to collect requirements , well, about a year after graduation, he will be honored to get to the units, spending about 300 lyams on everything, by this time it will no longer be just some federal state unitary enterprise, but some kind of OJSC "Academy of Unmanned Nanotechnologies and Aviation" with marketing, legal, economic, financial, risk management service, internal audit service and engineering department of three heads and one engineer. It is necessary to create a state a commission, a small compact group of graduates of technical universities, engineers, junior officers who were on the front line, scientists with a minimum of managers, and so that they would collect demands and write technical specifications for 12 hours a day in the front line area until they lost consciousness and suffered heart attacks. to drones, then the situation can be changed, but in the current paradigm it will not work.
  69. 0
    10 December 2022 14: 32
    No matter what the Rogozins put their hand to, everything ends in some kind of scandal, whether IL 112 or Roscosmos. Neither steal nor guard. The question is why Rogozin is campaigning for Almaz-Antey, they are stirring up their gamble somewhere, the question is where? Maybe through the next “Ecolibri”, which is most likely with his long-time partner Artem Serebrennikov, who received billion-dollar contracts from the state when dad was in office. By the way, then journalists were unable to find out who owned the offshore and where the budget money went, but now everything is in the public domain after leaks, I hope someone will take on what people failed to do 5 years ago. I know Rogozin definitely reads this forum, he would answer where he wants to “get money” from the state. Here in more detail, but in general I advise all concerned people to study the issue on their own.
    https://vk.com/wall-60932039_729952
    Country MUST know your heroes. It’s good that we have patriots and journalists, brothers work and don’t let us sketch in the defense industry.
  70. +2
    10 December 2022 14: 40
    “All within the same call: “Stop lying to us!” - excerpt from this opus.
    Why is it enough right away? And there was somewhere and sometime, so as not to lie, in the stern of rare moments...
    Citing examples of the USSR’s successes in this endeavor from the early 60s is just to take up space. Yes, damn it, and then we cooperated. ES-computer (IBM), Zhiguli (Fiat). This is already then. And then a general restructuring was carried out. There were also a lot of slogans about stopping lying. It was then jokingly called rabies of the truth. And a bunch of young and not so nimble people came out...
    “And therefore, no semi-private design bureaus that want to make the technology of today or tomorrow will receive a single penny for the implementation of their projects.” - another quote. So maybe this is where the dog is buried?!!
    Large enterprises of the USSR are ineffective! Give me cooperatives! And if in public catering and light industry this made sense, then in the military-industrial complex... But in this way everything was destroyed, and a “capitalist” economy and a corresponding society were built. And it’s not just them, it’s all of us!
    So guys, if you really want to help, then you need as well-developed projects as possible, preferably with samples, and then get some of the large enterprises interested. After all, for now you are nobody and there is no way to call you. And there are many more people who want to receive advances, and even those who are sure that they can really offer something, than those who really can... Something like this.
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  73. -1
    10 December 2022 19: 51
    Quote: wladimirjankov
    The situation with our monopolists, state and semi-state enterprises of the military-industrial complex with managers appointed to them according to incomprehensible criteria, has always been negative for the healthy development of our economy.

    That is why, under the “damned” Serdyukov, “hungry and angry” private enterprises, capable of doing what the concerns could not or did not want, received access to the State Defense Order.
  74. +1
    10 December 2022 20: 24
    I’ll start from the end, that is, why don’t they give military orders to private and semi-private design bureaus? Because there is intelligence from NATO countries, and if the intelligence of countries cannot, then they will bribe and get the data, or even completely steal the sample with the software. I don’t believe that we have problems with UAVs. Back in the USSR, I had other information that was different from the defeatist one. Our military equipment is better than Western ones. But the problems are only in the civilian sphere and they did not arise from Our inability, but due to the fact that as soon as perestroika began, they began to change the domestic fleet of vehicles to Western ones, at first they were allowed to bring used cars, then they completely flooded the Russian market with foreign cars . You walk around the yard and see entirely foreign cars, and domestic production has declined since the 90s. Then they came to their senses, but it was too late, give everyone only imported cars, and in the West they felt Our weakness and foreign firms and companies began to leave in the form of sanctions. As a result, neither ours nor imported ones, but those spare parts that are available can be purchased through parallel imports, that is, two...three times more expensive. To be an independent state, the share of foreign technology should be no more than 10%!!! And at domestic enterprises it is necessary to work as a patriot. Until this happens, we will depend on foreigners!!!
  75. -1
    10 December 2022 20: 41
    Lyayaya, to be honest, Skomorokhov is already starting to make me sick... I once expressed the idea that he should stop dealing with the problems of relationships in military collectives, and turn his fiery gaze towards the direction of the technical equipment of the troops... Sorry, I was wrong and got carried away . During the period of real hostilities, generalist pussies like him should not be allowed into the reading public at all...because after such “revelations” it’s time for the soldiers in the trenches to shoot themselves and hang themselves. However, I got tired of this character. No, he sculpts, of course, sparklingly and with the designation... of other people's knowledge, since he himself did not serve and did not bow to bullets... But then the question is - where does such an extensive "bouquet" of information come from on absolutely all issues relating to Russian defense capability? Who “throws” flammable materials at him and for what purpose? And no matter how you remember paragraph 4 of the well-known GKO Resolution... "4. Violators of order should be immediately brought to justice and transferred to a military tribunal, and provocateurs, spies and other agents of the enemycalling for disruption of order, shoot on sight." (dream? feel
  76. +2
    10 December 2022 21: 32
    That is, they know the Russian “Lancets”, and they perfectly distinguish them from the “Nelancets”, which are much more effective. That is, all that the Russian army has is a handful of Orlans, not very effective Lancets and imported drones.


    Russia produces Orlans serially and in fairly large batches, but the existing capacities are not enough for a drone on the front line, the life of which is known to be short-lived there. Lancets have shown themselves to be very effective in destroying the enemy and his weapons, the only exception being a heavily armored target such as a tank or self-propelled gun where This is due to the lack of explosives that the lancet carries. But here, too, the developers are already eliminating this.

    As for the effectiveness of drones of the "Shahedov" type in Ukraine, it is due to two factors that came together (the low speed of the drone itself + the inability of outdated Ukrainian air defense to detect and subsequently shoot down fairly small targets flying at low speed). That is, if now Matthias Rust wanted to fly over Ukraine, then his chance to fly would be quite high.

    Regarding why Iran has “Shaheeds” and Russia does not. For this we should thank both the young reformers and the effective managers, some for the fact that “why do we need all this, we will buy everything we need for gas and oil dollars in the West” and others who they reduced and closed down what they considered ineffective production and industries.

    Ask, how does this apply to Iranian-type drones? Yes, directly, since the “heart” of this drone is a low-power piston engine. Such engines were produced and developed in the USSR for motorcycles and mopeds, and with the liquidation of the production of mopeds and motorcycles in Russia, the development and production of such engines ceased.

    But even here, back in 2021, Russia began developing new small-capacity piston engines for future drones, and the results will be that our long-range attack drones will be much more effective than Iranian ones in Ukraine and at the same time cheaper.

    Anyone can throw mud for the sake of hype, using Chinese rubbish as an example, but not everyone can develop something or bring it to fruition.
    Why Chinese trash? yes, because all the electronics that they produce work flawlessly only for a short warranty period, and for example, if you put it on a shelf in working condition for several years, you can find out after these years that it has become inoperable. During this entire period, it is not only turned on, but also in your hands no one took it.
  77. 0
    10 December 2022 21: 41
    Well, actually, by the end of the year, a new camera and data transmission channel will appear on Dobrynya, by the end of the year, and it’s already almost upon us, they should release 1000 of these drones. Is it really that bad, even if we copy the Chinese model? - For some it’s bad, but for us it’s not... And as for why we don’t have drones? - So the answer is simple: remember those dozens of companies that have been receiving money for several years now and do not give anything away... Where there is a state, we produce something: tanks, planes, warships, etc.... And where private owners are - this is what we have from UAVs... Why did the USSR have drones (and they were quite good for their time), you ask? - And in the USSR ONLY state design bureaus, industrial enterprises, etc. worked, that’s why. Our business, at best, can export raw materials abroad, that’s all... Apparently, we decided that drones are not a tricky business: private traders can handle it too (after all, state-owned companies are overloaded). And private owners, as it turned out, can’t do anything, and maybe they don’t want to... Moral: it is necessary, no matter what, to transfer private companies under public management, to the state. property, especially since they received more than enough loans at different times... And as for the author’s petty calculations, you will agree that several tens of millions of rubles is not so much for setting up the production of a drone, albeit a light one , then, production needs to be expanded, new cameras will appear on the drone, and perhaps not only: the engines are relatively powerful, and this is the main thing...."With good engines, the gate will fly," - that’s what they said in such cases... The main thing is, that the state is taking over the production of drones. corporations, that’s what makes us happy, but we didn’t have anything from private design bureaus, and we won’t get anything....
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  80. 0
    11 December 2022 00: 00
    What did you all want from our Kulibins? You didn't take into account one fact. All this apathy with drones was born (not even born) only in the middle of the Northern Military District. Everyone's ears are filled only with drones and sanctions. The sanctions were introduced a long time ago. And the effect of Kuzka’s mother was only in the middle of the NWO when all the managers grabbed it. Moreover, such a dose that, as you can see, we caught an overdose. The most natural unmanned version. In order to write an article, and not an article about problems with UAVs in our country, one must not list the merits of the USSR Design Bureau, but start with who Ivan is and what the essence of the term is. I apologize if I offended anyone. But everything is from fools in our country. Dreams about those UAVs that you all dream about (your 100%, unparalleled, mass-produced, etc.) are the same as dreams about Russian space. Whose expanses are roamed by hundreds of satellites for various military purposes. Super communications, super optics, super locators and much more with the super prefix. What do we have in space? I recently read an article and remembered that we have Liana... When were there supposed to be satellites in this series? There is no need to discuss further. What UAVs is everyone talking about? The author is absolutely wrong!!! To talk about the Hunter as a corn farmer... There are no words. What then does the author recommend? Will he turn to Azerbaijan for experience with corn farmers? In the Hunter's trash? Hunter is what we need now over Kiev and Lvov. And not the Su-35 with blanks under the wings in the role of a bomber. But it will do for the author. But the Hunter is even worse than the corn grower. Okay about the author. He's not the only smart one. You gentlemen have no choice. The SVO is going on and will continue to go on for a long time and painfully!!! UAVs don't have mom and dad. There is someone whose life he saves and helps deprive others of this life... And the fact that we have fools in our managers these days, I’m shocked that you didn’t know, judging by the comments. Do you want to wait for those who are fighting? Let them decide what they need at the front now. They don’t care where or from whom the UAV will be sent to them. Don't rely on our stupidity. A UAV is not a radio-controlled car. These are serious technologies, which without Russian space are just miscarriages of the military-industrial complex and others. There is no need to even argue with this. Does anyone think that space is teeming with Glonas? At least for navigation... Say a heartfelt thank you to those who sell us boards to make Caliber fly. This is your answer to the questions why we don’t have UAVs. They will. They will. But not for you, but for those at the front. They didn't care whose they were. And in this case I’m spitting. And on our capabilities and on the country of the manufacturer of what we have at the front.
  81. +2
    11 December 2022 00: 15
    I do not believe! How much funding was allocated for the maintenance of the Innovation Center in Skolkovo, I’m afraid to write numbers
    When it comes down to it, it turns out to be a “reindeer”. But the most important thing is that no one is punished, and impunity gives rise to new atrocities that are aimed at destroying their own people
  82. 0
    12 December 2022 07: 30
    I’ll say it very gently: I can’t classify this article as constructive criticism. A SHAME!
  83. 0
    12 December 2022 18: 22
    Yes. Without any doubt, the death penalty must be urgently introduced in Russia!
    1. 0
      16 December 2022 03: 16
      And who will be executed? With our judicial system, the tower threatens not criminals, traitors, traitors and corrupt officials, but the peasants who cut down the wrong tree in the wrong forest or caught the wrong fish in the wrong pond.
      Like Serdyukov, for example, was he punished? No way.
  84. +1
    14 December 2022 12: 53
    A country that cannot produce a microcontroller of the level used in Arduino or a percentage from Raspberry should not declare “its” copters, etc. Maximum about those designed at home. What if tomorrow, for some reason, relations with China worsen? Are we going to throw sticks at enemies or shoot from a fly?
  85. 0
    14 December 2022 20: 35
    The development and production of the same drones is a huge investment in science.
    Why do Turkey have the same “Bayraktars”, but we don’t? 3 years ago I read an article about budget spending on science, etc. Türkiye spends a HUGE portion of the budget compared to ours.
    We advertise on TV talents, talented children - they sing and dance. But there is no advertising of talented children - technicians, inventors. And if the child wants it, you still need to find a club + parents’ expenses for spare parts, etc. And 10-20 years pass until there are no drones in the country.
    That's it.
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    1. 0
      25 January 2023 18: 37
      Yeah, the GRU should send you reports personally. Nonsense.
  87. -1
    15 December 2022 15: 41
    Author oink-oink.
    The American Hawk is imbecile, and the Russian Okhotnik is useless.
  88. +1
    16 December 2022 03: 13
    How does this all remind us of the First World War...
    The war is not going well, the economy is going to hell, the people are becoming disillusioned with the government, and the government is generally out of touch with reality. At the same time, hucksters, businessmen, and officials are doing their best to make money on government orders. Almaz-Antey has already figured out how to make money from the war. Before that, “Kalashnikov” sold MoRf a Chukavin rifle. And so on.
    We all know very well how this will end.
  89. 0
    17 December 2022 07: 17
    Here are the brutes, some are at war and some are close to their mother, people give their lives and health on the battlefield, and these managerial pigs continue to fill their pockets by supplying the army with worthless, illiquid UAVs, will everything really continue to happen like this, it is necessary to change something situation, when will we start mass-producing our high-quality and competitive weapons, probably only when the thieving top managers responsible for these issues begin to be put up against the wall, or sent to long prison terms, but we have democracy and liberalism, and Therefore, this is not yet possible.
  90. +1
    17 December 2022 08: 12
    Now Putin is holding a meeting with Shoigu and everything is fine with them, but the fact that fighters with “naked ***” are fighting and the losses because of this are huge, it’s nothing, women are still giving birth, there are lies and corruption all around, this is clearly shown here in the article , but our law enforcement officers are blind and deaf, and if they grab someone like “stools on and his mother,” then they are not at work - they were misled. But during the USSR, they launched the Buran spacecraft in unmanned mode and it also landed back, and now Chinese toys are being supplied to the army, passing them off as military equipment, it’s a shame for our country, but I was proud of the USSR, because the current ones betrayed and sold everything and no one has answered or will answer for this, but time will tell and recognize who the enemies of the Soviet and Russian people were...
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  92. 0
    28 December 2022 21: 52
    ... OsTechByuro was eventually put up against the wall because for five or ten years they had not rolled out anything other than prototypes...
  93. 0
    10 January 2023 00: 23
    A stingy tear of pride for our military-industrial complex. Damn Ostaps. Bendery ept.
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  96. 0
    31 January 2023 07: 54
    It looks like no one is afraid of anything. Neither the FSB, nor the prosecutor's office, nor the guarantor... notice anything. Deeply sad.
  97. +1
    31 January 2023 07: 58
    The constant whining of not comrade Skomorokhov will not reach the bottom soon... And then, Iran does not supply the Russian army with any drones... I think the author’s next tear will be about everyone involved in the supply of drones... Including names, appearances, passwords...
  98. 0
    31 January 2023 21: 29
    With a UAV everything is simple. buy frames and engines in China. install your own secure communication and control module. remote control housings, joysticks, basic microcircuits for remote control in China. own secure communication. cameras in China, make your own with our order.

    everything seems simple. why can't this be done?
  99. +1
    2 February 2023 18: 47
    These are the armchair experts! Just like that, he casually kicked everyone in all their holes. At the same time, the author did not even bother to prove it based on facts - he branded everything and everyone outright. Well, what's wrong with a supersonic "Okhotnik" if it breaks through the air defense system at low altitude and strikes with the full power of its payload? Such an “Okhotnik” could easily reach the notorious bridges on the Dnieper with 500 kg of high-explosive bombs. Will it really work worse than the primitive Swift, which quite successfully attacked the airfield in Engels? Our main problem is the catastrophic lack of people who do business. Many people like to criticize, spit on and tell fairy tales. But here's how to do something. so everyone goes into the bushes. Not everything is as bad with drones in the Russian army as the author writes. Yes, I would always like to do better, but there is no limit to perfection. And it also seems to him (the author) that everyone is “sawing” something everywhere. It's like drunks. They also think that everyone around them is drunk or dreaming of getting drunk. Well, to the point, it should be noted that the topic of drones is relevant while an enemy satellite constellation is circling above our heads. Once it is destroyed, all NATO precision weapons, along with their strategic drones, will turn into a pile of scrap metal. And this should have been done a long time ago with all the “proletarian” determination as a “response” and the Russian leadership has such an opportunity, but something else is probably missing.
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