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German press: US left the decision to send Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine to Germany

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German press: US left the decision to send Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine to Germany

The United States is allegedly "not against" the transfer of German tanks Leopard 2 and even "hinted" to Berlin about the need for this deal. The Ukrainian press writes about this today with reference to the Frankfurter Algemeine Zeitung.


The German publication, in turn, citing several unnamed sources, reports that back in October of this year, Biden's national security adviser Jake Sullivan allegedly "whispered into the ear" of the German Chancellor's foreign policy adviser, Jens Pletner, that the United States was not opposed at all, if Germany delivers Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine. This happened during a telephone conversation, while Sullivan allegedly emphasized that this “consent” is not an official request for delivery, Germany should decide for itself whether to send tanks to Ukraine or not.

In response to the publication of the German newspaper, Sullivan's press secretary Adrienne Watson did not confirm the fact of such a conversation and the alleged "consent" from the United States to send tanks. However, she did not deny it in her statement.

We leave it to the Germans and do not turn to them with requests

- quotes FAZ the words of Watson.

Kyiv was immediately hooked on these words, saying that since the refusal did not sound in the statement, it means that everything was real and now Berlin must supply tanks to Kyiv, which Zelensky has been licking his lips on for a long time. According to the German publication, Germany can deliver 80 Leopard 2 tanks from the stocks of Rheinmetall and Krauss-Maffei Wegmann in a short time, another 30 vehicles are available in the Bundeswehr combat training center.

However, it is worth noting one oddity in all this stories. If Sullivan supposedly “allowed” the Germans to supply tanks to Ukraine back in October, then what about Kuleba, who at the end of November at a NATO meeting in Bucharest, followed the representatives of the FRG and begged to supply tanks, but received a categorical refusal. At the same time, the Germans said that they were against the supply of their tanks to Ukraine, and the United States imposed a ban on this.
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  1. voice of reason
    voice of reason 7 December 2022 19: 44
    -7
    the more leopards burn near Artemovsk, the safer Kaliningrad and Leningrad. Something like this....
    1. Alf
      Alf 7 December 2022 19: 54
      0
      Quote: voice of reason
      the more leopards burn near Artemovsk

      It seems to me that it is somewhat more difficult to burn the Leopard than the Eastern European ancient self-improved T-55s ... 80 Cats, with smart command, can spoil a lot of blood for us ...
      1. voice of reason
        voice of reason 7 December 2022 20: 01
        0
        right. That's why they need to be kicked out now. let them be given to the army, to incompetent crews, and let them be used at random. Best without cover in urban combat. They are not needed in the Bundeswehr. You never know how the story goes.
      2. Jager
        Jager 7 December 2022 22: 51
        -2
        Somehow these "Leopards" did not help the Turks))) the Germans are afraid that the vaunted "wunderwaffe" will again be disgraced. How then to cut the budget?
        1. Alf
          Alf 8 December 2022 19: 31
          0
          Quote: Jager
          Somehow these "Leopards" did not help the Turks)))

          Something tells me that if you take the Turkish combat charter (or whatever they call it) and compare it with what it really was, the difference will be dramatic.
  2. Ulan.1812
    Ulan.1812 7 December 2022 19: 50
    +2
    They graciously allowed the serfs to make their own decision.
  3. Dmitry_24rus
    Dmitry_24rus 7 December 2022 19: 56
    +3
    An information field is being formed, which means Leopards will soon be in Ukraine, unfortunately ..
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 7 December 2022 20: 28
      +5
      Quote: Dmitry_24rus
      Leopards will soon be in Ukraine

      Poles will be offended. At first they were promised cats "from availability" in return for the supply of T-72s to / at 404, and then they said something like "Schaub is right now, so it's not available, wait until new ones are produced in a couple of years, and finally it's a turn for them." And if it suddenly turns out that there is still available, and out of turn, but not for them?
      By the way, the Czechs seem to be also claiming.
    2. Plate
      Plate 7 December 2022 22: 12
      +1
      How many months has the "information field been formed"? I think it’s more likely that the West also does not want to give serious armored vehicles to Ukraine, so they blame each other for the reasons for the refusal. But in fact, the fact is that the excessive escalation of the conflict is not beneficial to anyone.
      1. alexoff
        alexoff 8 December 2022 01: 17
        -1
        The Germans are under pressure so that they, too, are smeared up to their ears in this, a common bandit tactic. And they resist, because in general there are not so many of these leopards, but how many of them on the go no one knows. Toad strangles to give away a few achievements that hardly hold 152 mm
      2. Alexander Vorontsov
        Alexander Vorontsov 8 December 2022 12: 25
        0
        Quote: Plate
        How many months has the "information field been formed"? I think it’s more likely that the West also does not want to give serious armored vehicles to Ukraine, so they blame each other for the reasons for the refusal. But in fact, the fact is that the excessive escalation of the conflict is not beneficial to anyone.

        The reason is also that they are afraid of reputational losses. Tanks are very expensive.
        But with the level of saturation with anti-tank weapons that is in Ukraine, they will burn notably. And the level of production will not be able to make up for these losses, i.e. Europe will simply burn its reserves of relatively modern tanks in Ukraine (most likely they will (if) supply early modifications). In addition, the question of quantity is also important. 1-2 will not make the weather and will simply become "beating tanks". There is also the question of maintenance and training of crews. In general, the supply of leopards-2, in a certain sense, even into the hands of Russia, is the best way to reduce their numbers in Europe.
  4. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 7 December 2022 20: 01
    +6
    A double feeling ... On the one hand, this should not happen, because. It is contraindicated to give TANKS to urks. These are still German tanks. And the Germans have always been able to make them ... Therefore, there is nothing!
    On the other hand, I would like to evaluate their strengths and weaknesses on the battlefield. Who will gore whom first: our T-72BM or there T-80M3, well, at worst, T-90M or Leopold? though the 2nd series ... Then, how will he transfer our CORNET, or is there an RPG ...
    But for me, it’s better that this doesn’t exist in dill reality yet. So our guys will be more alive.
    AHA.
    1. Ax Matt
      Ax Matt 7 December 2022 20: 37
      +1
      So in Syria, Turkish ones were already burning for a sweet soul. And here they will burn.
      1. Alf
        Alf 7 December 2022 21: 14
        +4
        Quote: Ax Matt
        So in Syria, Turkish ones were already burning for a sweet soul. And here they will burn.

        In the First Chechen T-72, they also burned the only way, but in the Second Chechen they suddenly stopped. I wonder why...
        1. Ax Matt
          Ax Matt 7 December 2022 23: 17
          0
          And ... "... they have grenades of the wrong system."
  5. aleksr2005
    aleksr2005 7 December 2022 20: 05
    +3
    As soon as the UGIL fanatics start having problems at the front, Germany will supply their tanks. And there the Americans will start deliveries. I hope our leadership FINALLY figured out all the levels of escalation and the responses to them.
  6. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 7 December 2022 20: 17
    0
    Everything is as usual - German tanks are advancing on us ... and the Ukrainians are also in their place - helping the German tanks.
    1. New-pechkin
      New-pechkin 8 December 2022 09: 17
      +2
      Everything is as usual - German tanks are advancing on us ... and the Ukrainians are also in their place - helping the German tanks.
      What, as usual, why do you treat all Ukrainians with the same brush. How do you differ from Ukrainian nationalists then. This Ukrainian also helped the German tanks.
    2. haron
      haron 8 December 2022 19: 16
      -1
      Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
      and the Ukrainians are also in their place - helping the German tanks.

      And you harm the Russians.
  7. Godzila
    Godzila 7 December 2022 20: 28
    -2
    We leave it to the Germans and do not turn to them with requests

    Come on, Fritz, you were already set up by the Anglo-Saxons with the Jews under the sledgehammer of the Russians in the First and Second World Wars, and now everything is the same. soldier
    Oh, you, all in formation go to the tune .. Do you want Hitler again? They will arrange it for you, it looks like over there)))
    This is not the first time for us in Russia, but now we already know where the main "hornet's nest" of all these wars and robberies of world revolutions angry
  8. rocket757
    rocket757 7 December 2022 20: 29
    +1
    German press: US left the decision to send Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine to Germany
    . Does the tail steer the dog?
  9. seamen2
    seamen2 7 December 2022 20: 29
    +6
    According to the administration of the site does not carry useful information.
  10. Fangaro
    Fangaro 7 December 2022 22: 13
    +1
    We leave it to the Germans and do not turn to them with requests

    Here is an example of real US diplomacy in reality...

    We do not recommend anything to you. And then we draw conclusions and ...
    Daimler Biden. Bavarian Motoren New York. Bosching. And in Europe there comes a complete ... Point.
  11. Altmann
    Altmann 7 December 2022 23: 34
    0
    German policy will dare to go back to 1941 if that happens. Russia has the right to deploy weapons that have not yet appeared on the battlefield and I believe that Russia owns them. The Germans must understand this. The Germans must not allow this, this is a return to Nazism. I don’t know how the General Staff of the Russian Army will react to this, I think it will not be easy, but the Leopards must be poisoned and killed. Does the Russian army have strength?? am
  12. Aleksey777
    Aleksey777 8 December 2022 00: 02
    0
    The Germans will not let the tanks steal. In extreme cases, if the Americans strongly and persistently ask, they can give out 10 pieces. No more. And the Poles will not get it. The Poles have begun to get too impudent, the Germans are already afraid for themselves. You never know, in a year another might happen.
  13. dddddiscopanzer
    dddddiscopanzer 8 December 2022 00: 09
    +1
    The Germans in April refused to hand over 50 pieces of 1 leopards. Why would they now send leopards 2, which they themselves do not really have enough of?
  14. Sergei N 58912062
    Sergei N 58912062 8 December 2022 01: 24
    -1
    If Germany delivers its tanks to Ukraine, then our calculations of ATGMs and ATGMs will significantly add work. But personally, I doubt that Germany will supply tanks.
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  15. Andrey Alexandrov
    Andrey Alexandrov 8 December 2022 01: 42
    +1
    The lie of Zelensky and his entourage has long been known to everyone - some start rumors, and Kyiv, referring to these rumors, brings to the general public that this is almost a well-known fact already!
    We kind of believe and look forward to further promoting this idea.
    And look what happens - if Germany says they didn’t even think about supplying you with tanks, Kyiv will trumpet to the whole world that Germany changed its mind and did not fulfill its promises, for example!
    Or it doesn’t help much by referring again to this lie they have invented.
    And while everyone will figure out where the truth is where the lies, the suspicion of Germany as not really wanting to really support Ukraine!
    Zelensky's policy of lies even in relation to his curators!
    And now Germany is already faced with a choice - to refute and quarrel with Kyiv, declaring that this is a lie, or to put tanks.
    In the first case, Kyiv will accuse Germany of being inconsistent, for example, or not wanting to really help Ukraine.
    And in the second, become Zelensky's best friend for a short time and avoid an awkward situation with Kyiv.
    Apparently, the curators themselves are already afraid of Zelensky - what he will say about this or that country if he is denied what he wants.
    Manipulation of the purest water - that's what Zelensky and his henchmen are doing.
    They have nothing to lose, they are trying by any means to sit in power, because losing power-they are responsible for everything that they have done with Ukraine.
    Therefore, any lie, seasoned even with an unconfirmed rumor, is an attempt to achieve one's own. This is veiled blackmail.
    That is why Zelensky's office and he personally continue to lie, wishful thinking.
    What do you think?
  16. opposite28
    opposite28 8 December 2022 03: 35
    +1
    Another information "duck" no more.
  17. maxvlm
    maxvlm 8 December 2022 10: 44
    0
    If after 80 years tanks with crosses appear again in the steppes of Ukraine, it will be a matter of honor for every Russian man to repeat the feat of his ancestors in 1943. I am 75. My father is a tanker, a participant in the battles near Prokhorovka. He freed Rubezhnoye, Popasnoye, Svatovo.
  18. Egeny
    Egeny 8 December 2022 11: 02
    -2
    Quote: voice of reason
    the more leopards burn near Artemovsk

    Plus in your piggy bank, I'm from St. Petersburg.
  19. potap6509
    potap6509 8 December 2022 19: 09
    0
    Today I read, to put tanks, the Germans can not before spring, because according to the ex-general of the Bundeswehr (the last name breaks a leg), he said leopards don’t go in winter, at all. Either the ex is in insanity, or they still drive a nigrol request