The analytical program "However," with Mikhail Leontyev 01 November 2012

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A draft anti-tobacco law has been submitted to the Duma - the toughest stories Russia and, it seems, not only in Russia.

According to the project, it is planned to completely ban smoking in transport, including not only at railway stations and airports, but also before entering there, in all public places, hotels, restaurants, and, moreover, including hookah. For the organization of the smoking area in the entrances, the consensus of all homeowners is necessary. Tobacco is also forbidden to sniff and chew. Smoking is banned for all heroes of films and programs Trade rules are also becoming tougher and excise taxes are rising sharply.

That is, in the world of anti-tobacco hysteria, Russia is breaking out in first places, catching up and overtaking recognized leaders. With that, Russia is a smoking country. We have half the adult population smoking, and men - two-thirds. And these people also have rights. Immediately make a reservation: non-smokers have the right to be protected from smoking. Protection of their rights is legal and necessary. And - the point.

The World Health Organization (WHO) publishes statistics that nearly 6 million people die per year from smoking-related diseases. More than 5 millions of them are current or former smokers, and about 600 thousands are non-smokers exposed to tobacco smoke.

WHO shamelessly lies, as in many cases with supposedly terrible epidemics, because it is on the content of pharmaceutical companies. A pharmaceutical lobby is more powerful than tobacco. Smoking can be an arbitrarily harmful and dangerous habit, but such statistics can not be. Not a single death certificate, where in the column "cause of death" would be smoking, does not exist. If your watch struck 13, then it makes sense to doubt the thirteenth beat, but also in the previous twelve.

We will not speak here about obvious misanthropic excesses and obvious clinic in the project, such as banning hookah and chewing, about the economic riskiness and social danger of a sharp rise in the cost of tobacco. A lot has been said about this. There is a fundamental thing, a fundamental principle: the enforced, compulsory introduction of a healthy lifestyle, like morality is not permissible. No one has the right to dictate to me how I live, if it does not affect other people. No one has that right. This is not a matter of discussion. Even in parliament. And it’s not at all accidental that Onishchenko threatened to disperse parliament if he did not approve the bill.

“If, until now, Mr. Onishchenko’s statements could be explained by the danger of his activities, for example, he drank Borjomi, swallowed Polish beef, or Spanish-German cucumbers there, but now it becomes just dangerous,” said State Duma deputy from United Russia. "Andrei Makarov.
It really becomes dangerous. And not in the smoking case. God be with him - with smoking. And in paranoia. Because in addition to the physical health of the nation, it's time to think about its mental health.

“If there is a pack of cigarettes in your pocket, then not everything is so bad today ...” (words from the song of Viktor Tsoi)

I am sure in advance that this cue will be presented as paid for by the tobacco lobby. I officially declare that I am not in contact with the tobacco lobby. I do not smoke or smoke at all.
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  1. Vanek
    -21
    2 November 2012 09: 05
    I’m smoking now. Don't like smoking nearby? STEP AWAY. And the point.

    There is a fundamental thing, a fundamental principle: the forced, forced introduction of a healthy lifestyle, as well as morality, is not permissible. No one has the right to dictate to me how to live, if this does not affect other people. No one has such a right.

    You can’t do it here. And where is freedom then? It remains to prohibit talking, breathing, thinking, and what else is there.
    1. Vanek
      -6
      2 November 2012 09: 21
      In addition to the minus argument there is no ?????
      1. Alexey Prikazchikov
        +31
        2 November 2012 10: 06
        In addition to the minus argument there is no ?????

        I did not set a minus, but I will say this. You are wrong to say the least. By smoking you will harm not at all to yourself, but to those who smoke it. Carcinogens that are contained in tobacco smoke very much affect the development of ancology. It just seems that it’s supposed to carry, and then people like you lie and bend in hospices and shout heartily saying I want to live. So to hell with you, you yourself chose it so you think about others here, because as in Russian roulette, you won’t get hit, and if you get hit you will be responsible for someone’s death and the death is so terrible (who saw how they die from cancer will understand me) ...
        1. I-16M
          +4
          2 November 2012 11: 16
          The rights of both parties must be respected.
          I can’t believe that these laws are adopted for the benefit of citizens. Healthcare on the Titanic seems to be after the iceberg. Found, damn it, the main threat to the nation. They just want to cut money from smokers and tobacco companies.
          1. 0
            2 November 2012 17: 28
            They just want to beat smokers :)

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            although here in England pipets like everyone smokes, grannies with grandparents 60-80 years old. sitting in pubs and puffing.
          2. +4
            2 November 2012 17: 30
            They just want to beat smokers :)



            Although here in England, like everybody else smokes, grandmothers and grandparents are 60-80 years old. sitting in pubs and puffing.
          3. dimanf
            +5
            2 November 2012 23: 55
            not from the start.
            you just need to brainwash the young.
            should go advertising. that smokes only cattle lo.
            through the movies. TV shows and shows show smokers only in a negative perspective.
            and in 20 years there will be half as many smokers.
            same thing with alcohol.
            you need to remove the image of a Russian man who is always drunk, smoked and stupid!
        2. +7
          2 November 2012 14: 48
          Alexey Prikazchikov

          Horror, Horror ... oh! How many cliches of thinking in one small post. A bunch of copies broken about oncological = all the same - Oncological, not mysterious "Ancological". Anka-machine gunner has nothing to do with these sores = diseases.

          Further ... You remind me of one of my opponents - in 2007 there was a seminar in Tashkent. In essence, the issues of apaptosis were considered. One of the reports was mine. But nevertheless, one dude, a German, Gerhard, turned everything into a circus, since it was at that moment that he decided to arrange a debate on the topic that oncological diseases, "I will give a tooth, are of a viral nature!" This was all his argumentation, "I'll give you a tooth!" ... *)))) And what relation does oncology have to apaptosis = programmed cell death =, it remains a mystery ... *)

          Next - Leontyev, a great clever. He clearly points his finger at the totalitarian character of this bill. The argumentation of opponents of smoking is zero, at the level of subjective perception. The only global supporters of anti-smoking laws are international and "domestic" corporations. And their main argument is the loss of income due to "smoke breaks" ... *))) this is the REAL engine of the bill, the rest is husk ... *)) eh ... *)
          1. andrey122
            +2
            2 November 2012 15: 11
            I think the main task is to destabilize the situation.
            1. +3
              2 November 2012 18: 17
              Quote: andrey122
              I think the main task is to destabilize the situation.

              Here!
              I read posts and looked for who will reveal the background of this law!
              Incomprehensible twist with the cancellation of the transition from winter to summer time.
              You see then the laws were not in the same order that they were passed. On the contrary!
              And now the same thing, artificially delaying the adoption of the law on the return of winter time, plus this law.
              In my opinion, there is an artificial inflation of the psychological state of the country's population.
              There is a destabilization of the internal situation.
              Hmm, and the initiator is a very good person.
              It seems even as he said:
              ... everything I say in granite is cast

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            2. 0
              2 November 2012 20: 31
              Immediately I remember how one tagged fool got involved with a green serpent and how it all ended. By the way, the tobacco disappeared then. The mediocre "leaders" always have something or someone to blame, but not themselves. Apparently the silly iPhone is haunted by dubious laurels ...
              1. +1
                2 November 2012 22: 41
                This "iPhone" has already inherited more than enough in History: watches, software, Skolkovo, in general, a lot of all sorts of crap.
          2. 0
            2 November 2012 19: 27
            Smoke breaks are not the topic - you can also go out to breathe the air or .. exercise. In this case, it is not necessary to fight against alcoholism even with drug addiction - such as this right is such - drink and inject (sniff)
        3. andrey122
          0
          2 November 2012 15: 10
          Clear evidence that you need to think about the mental health of the nation
        4. 0
          2 November 2012 17: 38
          Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
          very much affect the development of ancology.

          Sorry, but you and your arguments are absolutely clear, only once it is worth reading
          Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
          ancology
      2. +3
        2 November 2012 10: 39
        Cons is really just an attempt to pinch an incomprehensible without a subsequent comment.
      3. +3
        2 November 2012 17: 24
        "Mister" Vanek! You need to respect your neighbors in life. Did you want freedom? Everyone has the right to clean air. And if you like to breathe shit - step aside yourself and don't poison the lives of others. After all, non-smokers don't poison your air? What right do you have to bully others? Maybe you will show some good manners and will not demand that you are not forbidden "what else is there."

        %%%% In the “Declaration of Human and Citizen Rights” (1789, France), human freedom is interpreted as the possibility of “doing everything that does not harm another: thus, the realization of the natural rights of each person is limited only by those limits that provide other members of society enjoyment of the same rights. These limits can only be determined by law. ”

        In law, freedom is associated not only with the responsibility of the subject for his actions, which implies his free will, but also with the measure of responsibility - the sanity or insanity of the person at the time of the act. The development of this measure of responsibility for the act is caused by the requirement of justice, fair retribution - a measure of punishment. %%%%

        !!!!!!!! Freedom is the conscious actions of a person based on the ethics of the society around him. !!!!!!!
        1. +3
          2 November 2012 18: 22
          Quote: AleksUkr
          if you like to breathe shit

          Dear, I live in a city that occupies one of the first places in terms of pollution and oncological diseases, too. That's just where smokers are you. You are not an ardent adherent of this law?
        2. +1
          2 November 2012 23: 19
          "After all, non-smokers don't poison your air?"
          My wife does not use perfume, she knows that I am allergic to perfumes. But other women do not know. Am I now to demand a ban on the use of perfumes in public places?
      4. 0
        2 November 2012 18: 17
        It’s your choice to poison yourself, but you don’t need to poison neighbors. Nicotine has a strong effect on non-smokers, so don’t be a killer!
    2. Taratut
      +30
      2 November 2012 09: 22
      I do not like smokers. It’s always smoked in the elevator. You see, they cannot tolerate the street. You ride with the children, suffocate.
      Want to poison yourself - herbs, But do not hurt people. In general, smoking is the most unnatural vice. Fornication - I understand. Alcohol - I understand. But inhale the poisonous smoke ....
      1. Sergh
        +17
        2 November 2012 09: 40
        Smoked, smoked and will smoke! BUT ..., in public places I do not smoke, in the elevator categorically. When without a cigarette, I can’t stand the smoke of a nearby smoker. But about Anishchenko it can be said that he went thoroughly. This is a fraud conscious of popular unrest, I think Putin is aware of this initiative. Do not give Anischenko custom-made nonsense, to throw his time off the Old Square.
        1. Vanek
          +7
          2 November 2012 09: 44
          Quote: Sergh
          Smoked, smoked and will smoke! BUT ..., in public places I do not smoke, in the elevator categorically.


          + unambiguous. The elevator is taboo. Catering is a taboo. But not on the street.
          1. +14
            2 November 2012 10: 05
            I smoke, but I wouldn’t want my son to start smoking. Maybe they can raise prices correctly, schoolchildren can’t afford to buy cigarettes so vehemently. Maybe I’ll give up myself, a bad habit. I won’t criticize. request
            1. +3
              2 November 2012 11: 38
              Alexander Romanov,
              You do not want your son to smoke, do not smoke yourself. The son always takes an example from his father. He told his children that at least once I will smell the tobacco, I will immediately break it in such a way that they will be remembered for the rest of my life. While it helps.
              1. Cavas
                +2
                2 November 2012 14: 24
                Quote: sergey32
                You do not want your son to smoke, do not smoke yourself. The son always takes an example from his father. He told his children that at least once I will smell the tobacco, I will immediately break it in such a way that they will be remembered for a lifetime. While helping

                Not always, I’m smoking here, but my son is gone and he still persuades me to quit! laughing
            2. +3
              2 November 2012 20: 55
              I have three daughters. When the son was born, quit smoking. Before that smoked 28 years
          2. in reserve
            +1
            2 November 2012 19: 27
            You need to put smokers in public places so that they don’t be indignant, and Onishchenko correctly makes fewer people will see, he can start smoking less and smokers too. I smoked it for 2 years when I realized that my health is decreasing and you won’t return it, I don’t smoke for 7-8 years and it doesn’t last. And in general, smoking from the nerves does not save all this myth.
          3. +2
            3 November 2012 18: 34
            Quote: Vanek
            + unambiguous. The elevator is taboo. Catering is a taboo. But not on the street.


            Vanyok learn not to smoke on the street! Otherwise, a purlo walks in front of you or along the street and smokes a cigarette, and often there is a crowd of purles with purls, and you and your child breathe this poison! And I agree that smokers are egoists! Damn in the morning I go down in the elevator and there is a bitch who couldn’t stand her car and smoked and fired in the elevator, I’ll leave the metro for clean air, but it wasn’t there that there was a wallet in front and smokes blah so much that there’s nothing to breathe in a city where ecology and so suffers! The pancake will itch to the toilet, whether it's McDonald's or an office, or ... yes, everywhere, there will also be huikins who will smoke so much and even send you that you won't go in after them, in general, smokers are WASTE especially those who even do not know that there is an ashtray in the car, and there are trash cans on the street! Why know when Mother Russia is big, the bull is bigger, the bull is smaller in your entrance, in the office, at the bus stop, on the sidewalk, etc. !!! The apotheosis of all this is the footage called "Laughter and Sin" remember the fires in Russia, so in Moscow there was nothing to breathe people hung themselves from the smog and then this damn BYDLYATINA distinguished itself, stands and smokes, coughs, suffocates, but blah smokes suka!
        2. +5
          2 November 2012 10: 21
          Quote: Sergh
          in public places I do not smoke, in the elevator categorically.

          ... and you don’t throw bull-calves. Who would believe you. All my smoking acquaintances say so. It is a pleasure to constantly catch them by the hand and ... face on the table ....
          1. Sergh
            +5
            2 November 2012 13: 05
            Quote: Centurion
            ... and you don’t throw bull-calves.

            Yes, I, my brother, is not at that age, and sometimes it’s a shame for myself to be in front of young people. In, I remembered, threw about thirty years ago, when he was a student, yeah, smoked in the doorways, drank and naughty. So Sotnik, from the age of smallness of mind, you only gain, as they say, better late ...
          2. +3
            2 November 2012 18: 34
            Quote: Centurion
            Who would believe you.

            Hmm, I met this statement a long time ago:
            A person is ready to perceive deception in any actions and words of another person, for he judges about it by himself.
        3. andrey122
          0
          2 November 2012 15: 12
          "This is a deliberate set-up for popular unrest, I think Putin is aware of this amateur performance."
          At the very bull's eye.
      2. 0
        2 November 2012 18: 25
        Quote: Taratut
        It’s always smoked in the elevator.

        I smoke, but I can’t stand the tobacco smoke indoors!
        Quote: Taratut
        Alcohol - I understand

        And excesses after its adoption too ?!
        wink
    3. +8
      2 November 2012 09: 30
      There is a fundamental thing, a fundamental principle: the forced, forced introduction of a healthy lifestyle, as well as morality, is not permissible. No one has the right to dictate to me how to live, if this does not affect other people. No one has such a right.
      Is nicotine the same drug? I hope that none of us on the site considers the ban on the use of drugs a limitation of the principles of freedom?
      I consider the prohibitions regarding smoking in art (films, cartoons, music, etc.) to be an excess, but as for some restrictions, I completely agree with them. Why should non-smokers, and especially children, smell the smoke?
      He smoked from adolescence to 39 years old, quit, do not smoke for 4 years already and am proud of it.
      1. 0
        2 November 2012 23: 08
        The concept of "drug" is rather vague. Under it, you can bring everything that, when consumed (applied), leads to a change in the perception of reality from cheese and chocolate to trimethylfentanyl, nicotine is poison, but the smoker is more harmful than the car owner who daily throws more than 100 kg of fuel combustion products into ours.
    4. +17
      2 November 2012 09: 32
      Quote: Vanek
      I’m smoking now. Don't like smoking nearby? STEP AWAY. And the point.

      I do not smoke. And why should your right to smoke prevail over my FUNDAMENTAL right to BREATH ?! Why, in order to breathe - I, non-smokers, have to look for a place for myself ?! Why should a non-smoking person leave the stop / sidewalk / no matter where - just because someone wanted a nipple ?! So we get to the point that we will meet the needs where it is impatient, and not in the toilets. Why don’t you, smokers, look for a place specially designated for your addiction?
      Do not forget that besides your right to smoke (which no one takes from you) there is a more important right of others to breathe, which you are trying to take from them.
      1. Vanek
        -1
        2 November 2012 09: 42
        Quote: BigLexey
        hell is my FUNDAMENTAL right to BREAT?


        If I have my own words:

        Quote: Vanek
        STEP AWAY.


        Enclosed in quotation marks, you will understand the idea. You get it
        Quote: Vanek
        It remains to prohibit talking, breathing, thinking

        And do not focus on this so close attention. This means that I am forbidden to dispose of my right to freedom of choice. I want to smoke, I want not to smoke. I fully agree that you should not smoke in public places - cafes, bars, restaurants.

        But to prohibit smoking NEAR this establishment, nearby - that is, on the STREET - with your permission insanity.
        1. +3
          2 November 2012 11: 27
          We need well-kept ashtrays and more special places where you can smoke in comfort without causing disgust in non-smokers. This should be financed by an excise tax, which is not clear where to go.
      2. Sergh
        +2
        2 November 2012 09: 51
        Quote: BigLexey
        smokers, do not look for a place specially designated for the administration of your addiction?

        Stop-stop, why did you decide that, or rather, all those places are no longer occupied by your same job seekers, like grandmothers and granddaughters. Suppose I stood just three hours ago (a very rare case) at a public transport stop and got a scandal about this from my throaty aunt, just because I didn’t leave the corner of the nearest house with her cigarette. True, I don’t have to pull my tongue, preferably categorically I don’t have to do this, so I also put it a little in front of the whole stop, why she wore such un-fashionable boots, a coat, a biret, a scarf today, why she wears a mustache in the morning .. ., well, then a pun, etc. .. Ah?
      3. paul33
        -2
        2 November 2012 10: 56
        I agree to all 100
      4. svmoisei3000
        +2
        2 November 2012 11: 49
        And why should your right to smoke prevail over my FUNDAMENTAL right to BREATH ?! let's say I don’t like the smell of your cologne .... and I have an allergy to it .... I don’t ask you to move away from me, I’m retiring myself. so please be kind ..... and that would have smoked less at the stops, let your administration put ashtrays (urns) a bit away from the stops and the problem will be partially solved.
    5. +4
      2 November 2012 09: 49
      Quote: Vanek
      You can’t do it here. And where is freedom then? It remains to prohibit talking, breathing, thinking, and what else is there.

      c prohibitions generally interesting topic. Previously, they tried to wean them from drinking, now they smoke -))).
      Let's make a small historical excursion into the history of drinking, for whoever does not know history is doomed to repeat it. According to one hypothesis, Russia adopted Christianity in the following circumstances: Asking Muslim mullahs about the fundamentals of their creed, the very notorious Prince Vladimir listened for a long time and with pleasure to paradise, where seventy beautiful maidens would please every believer - "for he himself loved multicastiousness." But as soon as it came to the ban on fermentation, he was severely misfired: "Russia is merry, we cannot be without it." And then he converted to Christianity. Oh, Vladimir, Vladimr! Anyway.
      Move on. The first alcohol crisis occurred in antiquity. The Slavic population grew, but all the honey was missing - the same honey that had been insisted with berries for many years. There was no sugar then, to increase the speed of fermentation, honey with berries was not yet thought out. In short, backward technology was the fault of the crisis. And the hoses are on fire. Then a rumor flashed that in the Balkans there was so much of this drink in amphora that at least get drunk. And the Slavs rushed to the balkans. So there were Serbs, Croats and other brethren.
      Now about the prohibitions of drinking. In 1914, Nicholas II introduced the Prohibition. The emperor introduced him very limitedly - during the war. But even he could not imagine. that a sober sailor is a very evil sailor. And after three years, the accumulated anger spilled out. I don’t remember how, I didn’t live then.
      But he appeared during the attempt to ban No. 2, in the mid-80s of the last century. With the filing of a certain Ligachev, the hunchback again introduced the dry law. I sobered up with the rest of my compatriots. What did they do when they sobered up? Nothing special. Never mind, a trifle -)))))))))).

      Now smoking is banned. Oh well! We stock up on popcorn and watch! It will probably be fun!
      1. +2
        2 November 2012 10: 46
        Quote: aksakal
        So there were Serbs, Croats and other brethren.

        So the alcoholics fled from Russia, the teetotalers (well, almost) remained! )))))
    6. SSR
      +10
      2 November 2012 10: 02
      Quote: Vanek
      I’m smoking now. Don't like smoking nearby? STEP AWAY. And the point.

      Well, that's why such a negative attitude towards smokers ..
      I myself am a smoker with experience, I will say the following should first of all be an elementary culture of smoking .. that’s what the hell .. leaves the apartment in the morning, lights a lift .. goes into the elevator with a cigarette and in the elevator a schoolboy .. and go out on the first smoker and a schoolboy ..and the schoolboy stinks like an ashtray ... or in the train in the vestibule stand tar ..
      Personally, I am for tightening, but the truth is not in such an ifanut form ...
      PS,
      By the way, the ban on advertising is generally the hardest hit on Western tobacco companies like "Philip Morrisse" because some smokers buy the Brand and not tobacco .. and if all the packs are impersonal .. then what difference does it make to the parliament you smoke or I will accept with a filter.
      Most Western companies will lose.
      (If you want to smoke, go away and smoke, the smoker as a skunk leaves his amber, unlike a non-smoker, and the girls and children around us should not stink like ashtrays). and let's not talk about smoking children and girls.)))) hi
      PS. read your answers above. so the elevator is not for you))) in general, we understood each other)))
      1. Vanek
        -1
        2 November 2012 10: 07
        Quote from S.S.R.
        and no need for smoking children and girls.)))


        good We do not consider women and children.

        I wrote about quotes, elevators and public catering there. What struck me most of all was that they want to ban smoking NEXT with the same ....... catering is permissible.
        1. 0
          2 November 2012 10: 52
          Quote: Vanek
          smoking NEARBY

          depending on where "next", if directly at the entrance - again the conflict of rights of smokers and nonsmokers, and three to five meters away - smoke for health.
          1. Vanek
            +2
            2 November 2012 10: 56
            Quote: antiaircrafter
            and three to five meters - smoke for health.


            So I'm talking about too.
    7. +8
      2 November 2012 10: 03
      Quote: Vanek
      Don't like smoking nearby? STEP AWAY. And the point.

      No, you’d better get away, and even better, don’t approach non-smokers at all. It is not necessary to breathe smoke with an admixture of exhaust from internal organs. Normally breathing people breathe through their noses, and do not blow smoke with exhaust at 2 meters, like smokers. And pay for cleaning up yourself. For every smoker you need to keep a janitor. Look, half of the garbage on the sidewalk is bull-calves.
      1. Sergh
        +2
        2 November 2012 13: 23
        Quote: Centurion
        No, you’d better get away, and even better do not approach non-smokers

        Yes, the problem is not worth a damn. How much do we need smokers? Yes, on the side glass of the transport stop pavilion write: "smoke here" and no problem, I will go behind the glass pavilion with great pleasure and calmly smoke, just put the urn here, that's all! Well, in a large stencil in your elevator on the landing, type: "No smoking in the elevator, children are coming!", I spent half the evening and no problem, although I myself am a smoker, but you have to have a conscience. The rest of the versions, somehow the car broke down, drove once to the dacha by train (cursed her all the way), went for a long time, so I went into the transitional coupling, closed and quietly smoked. In short, we love to make an elephant out of a fly.
    8. ughhh
      +3
      2 November 2012 10: 38
      You can’t do it here. And where is freedom then?

      This is very harmful in all respects, a suicidal habit, akin to drug addiction, which was imposed on us very, very recently. And smoking is not a sign of freedom, but a sign of zashorennost your brain. Throw this shit and recommend it to everyone you know.
      As for the law - idiocy. Mass drug addiction should not be fought with prohibitions.
      1. Vanek
        -2
        2 November 2012 10: 49
        Good. Let’s do it myself, I know, is moronic, but nonetheless. According to Leontiev, Us smokers two-thirds, approximately 67%. It means that we are the majority, but with the majority we know what you are doing, rightly agree.

        So tongue You won’t succeed.

        Oh, and I love the same laugh.
        1. ughhh
          +3
          2 November 2012 11: 30
          What are you trying to argue with, I don’t understand?
          Most smokers say: “Yes, I know that smoking is very harmful for me and for children and others. And I know that this is a habit imposed by propaganda and advertising. But! I can’t help it, so I smoke and I will smoke”.
          Sobsno, until it is stabbed in the side, and will smoke. As the lungs begin to spit through a cough, smoking cuts off immediately and completely. To old age.
          There are no brains.
          So what are you going to argue about?
        2. Orthodox warrior
          +3
          2 November 2012 11: 54
          Vanyok, I listened to you and am in a stupor just from such statements! What kind of "step aside" there ?! What rights ?! If the mind was enough in youth to smoke this infection, then smoke ... BUT !!! from your filthy smoke nobody! must not suffer! What rights are there ?! Right from the start is the one who does not smoke, and not the one who is like a moosh ... poisoning and everyone around! In general, it does not fit in my head how you can voluntarily poison yourself, and even pay money for it ?! And then "stink" they say, we are not allowed to smoke! The freaks in the elevators enrage me with smokers and at bus stops. I walk with a small child and sometimes you don't know where to get up so that she doesn't breathe this infection. That year I raised a big storm. At the entrance, they constantly smoked with us. And they bawl, they say, the entrance is common. But, gentlemen, it is common and there is no need to crap it! He wrote a statement to the police, called the district police officer several times and the case was ... decided! An evil district police officer came and literally beat up all the youth with a baton! After that, it became normal to walk and breathe at the entrance. Smoke in your apartments so that no one suffers, and best of all, throw this infection! Believe me, it will be better for everyone!
          1. sq
            +1
            2 November 2012 15: 28
            Well done. I did it right.
            If you want to smoke, smoke, BUT do not bother others to live.
        3. sq
          +1
          2 November 2012 15: 25
          I heard that smoking is a consequence of the children's inferiority complex. I thought for a long time. Admitted that it is quite similar to that.
          P.S. Sam never smoked and never pulls. But I always remember the end of the 80s when the Grodno factory stood for reconstruction. Then I saw and realized what drug addiction was. It was funny to me, but how the Kurts were tormented. True, the most advanced planted a self-planting plant, but before what happened. True, it has become cleaner on the streets too - you will not find a bull-calf during the day with fire.
    9. +1
      2 November 2012 10: 54
      I also smoke like many in the most smoking country in the world, but this does not prevent me from listening and respecting the opinions of others.
      Quote: Vanek
      You can’t do it here. And where is freedom then?

      You are right, we all have rights, but we will not forget about obligations.
    10. +1
      2 November 2012 10: 58
      I also smoke like many in the most smoking country in the world, but this does not prevent me from listening and respecting the opinions of others.
      Quote: Vanek
      You can’t do it here. And where is freedom then?

      You are right, we all have rights, but we will not forget about obligations.
    11. Mikado
      0
      2 November 2012 11: 25
      Quote: Vanek
      And where is freedom then?


      Do you recognize yourself in the picture?



      Maybe we should say, "They smoke here, smoke there, but where is my freedom to breathe cleanly?"

      You can only be free on a desert island. Even in your personal home you are not free to do what you want. We live in society, in a society in which there are laws, in which there are various rules, if you don’t follow them, then you have no place in this society. You can’t walk naked on the street, they can arrest, you can’t urinate wherever you want, they can arrest, you can’t beat people in the face, you can be arrested, you can’t swear and litter with obscenities, they can also be arrested, where is freedom? No it turns out, how so ???
      And in general, responsibilities come first in the first place, to society and its laws in particular, and only then rights and freedoms
    12. Mikado
      +2
      2 November 2012 11: 28
      Quote: Vanek
      And where is freedom then?




      Do you recognize yourself in the picture?

      Maybe we should say, "They smoke here, smoke there, but where is my freedom to breathe cleanly?"

      You can only be free on a desert island. Even in your personal home you are not free to do what you want. We live in society, in a society in which there are laws, in which there are various rules, if you don’t follow them, then you have no place in this society. You can’t walk naked on the street, they can arrest, you can’t urinate wherever you want, they can arrest, you can’t beat people in the face, you can be arrested, you can’t swear and litter with obscenities, they can also be arrested, where is freedom? No it turns out, how so ???
      And in general, responsibilities come first in the first place, to society and its laws in particular, and only then we need to remember our rights and freedoms
    13. +2
      2 November 2012 11: 38
      Well, you and the "eagle"! And if you, excuse the expression, would like to be at a tram stop? Everyone will also have to move away7
    14. +5
      2 November 2012 12: 11
      Quote: Vanek
      I’m smoking now.

      Do you like it yourself? And who convinced you that it's hard to quit?
      From my own experience - quitting smoking is very simple! Just most of their own desire is not enough.
      1. 0
        2 November 2012 17: 38
        It’s not desire, but willpower. Most smokers are weak-willed individuals. There are, of course, exceptions. In addition to weakness of the purest water, selfishness. I am the King. This, from childhood, continues to manifest an inferiority complex in them. In childhood, they considered themselves "adults", and now ....

        "Island of bad luck"

        Island Addiction
        There are
        All covered in smoke
        Absolutely all.
        Island Addiction
        There is on the planet.
        Unhappy savage people live there
        On face terrible
        And sick inside
        Unhappy savage people live there
        Smoke, drink and prick
        People without end
        Whatever they do
        Die without end
    15. +2
      2 November 2012 12: 13
      Don't like smoking nearby? STEP AWAY. And the point.


      Sorry, to put it mildly - this is EGOISM in its purest form, originating from the so-called liberalism and "democracy", where the rights of the minority are placed above the rights of the majority (pederasty, lesbianism, nycrophilia and other nasty things of democracy) !!! It is you who are standing next to you and are poisoning the non-smoking organism, but it is not you! It will be more correct - if you want to smoke, find a place where there are no non-smokers, and smoke! We must respect each other !!! drinks
    16. +3
      2 November 2012 12: 15
      What a freedom, Vanya. You are a slave, a slave to habits. A tobacco and paper wand enslaved you.
    17. mamba
      +3
      2 November 2012 13: 14
      Quote: Vanek
      I’m smoking now. Don't like smoking nearby? STEP AWAY. And the point.

      At public transport stops, such smug smokers smoke right among the crowd of people waiting. And they wanted to spit on the opinions of others. More conscientious, they seem to be stepping aside, but at the same time they get up so that their smoke is enough for everyone.
      Quote: Vanek
      You can’t do it here. And where is freedom then? It remains to prohibit talking, breathing, thinking, and what else is there.

      Basic instincts are already killed by nicotine and reliably forgotten. Sclerosis is a friend of nicotine and a fighter for freedom from different thoughts and desires.
    18. +4
      2 November 2012 16: 13
      Wanek
      I’m smoking now. Don't like smoking nearby? STEP AWAY. And the point.

      You say you don't like going away, but where ?? when you get out of the transport, or enter the building, and the entrance is occupied by people who smoke and even spit around themselves like "humpbacked animals", you ask where should I go ?? if I need to either go out or go in, or walk along the sidewalk .. and like a steam locomotive .. behind about 10 meters people go breathing this smoke. and he has the right to the driver .. and I have no right not to breathe it?
      I think the law should not only be tough, but should be controlled. In the final version, I still read if they accept, but now I would like to see fines added for the fact that cigarette butts are thrown all the way as they go, I threw the cigarette, it is already generally accepted by everyone. And if there will be separate places with an equipped urn, then I think already they will throw in the urn.
      I am not against the fact that someone smokes, this is your right, but I do not want my right not to breathe your smoke also respected.
    19. +3
      2 November 2012 16: 23
      yes there are arguments. Want to poison your body - herbs, but only away from me, not smoking. STEP AWAY. And the point.

      The fact that the law has incredible excesses - no one argues with this. This law needs to be finalized first with a rasp, then with a file and then tackled with files. But it’s time to remember that your freedom ends where the personal life and health of others begins.
    20. Alex_g23r
      +1
      2 November 2012 18: 03
      Today I drove past the stop, so there, apparently, the freedom fighter stood, smoked, and near the primary school students stood, breathed, they had to move aside.
    21. 0
      2 November 2012 19: 24
      And better so - Do not go with a cigarette to those who do not smoke. And do not smoke at the bus stop - others are FORCED to sniff your smoke.
    22. 0
      2 November 2012 22: 54
      Vanya, I didn’t set a minus, because in your comment there are words with which I agree: the last three words. However, the first line is a continuous egoism of the smoker. I don’t smoke all my life and have heard such words many times. Personally, I deeply plevat how smokers, alcoholics and drug addicts relate to their health. But I do not agree that the inevitable treatment of their inevitable diseases is the result of these habits, to some extent impedes the possibilities of treating ordinary people. After all, the budget of our health care is not very fat. Smoke, inject, drink - be treated at your own expense: it seems to me that this will be fair.
      The question of who should go and where is the question, first of all, of education in the family. There is an urn, and around a bull-calf: what to talk about? The smoker enters the porch and throws the goby not on the street, but on the stairs: what to talk about? No law will make these people shit. This is a matter of upbringing at a young age. I have not seen decent smokers, drunks and drug addicts, although, of course, there are isolated cases.
      It is necessary to resist smoking not because of "love" for them, but because of the observance of the rights of the rest of the population. It is impossible to wean a smoker with words, but it is possible and necessary to limit the growth in the number of consumers and, above all, by increasing the price of a pack: from 100 rubles for the cheapest. They are scared that samosad will be smoked. Try it! They compare tobacco with moonshine, but moonshine can be cleaned and it will be better than any vodka, but you cannot cleanse samosad! This is such a poison that only smokers with great experience can use it, so to speak: ideological. Definitely: some of the smokers will disappear, and some of the young people will not start. And selling only loose tobacco will also create inconvenience in use. Of course, smuggling will sharply develop, but this is a question that can be solved. And smuggling will not cover all needs.
      I end my comment traditionally: none of the authorities holding our comments reads and all our debates are empty words. Two days later, no one will remember them, unfortunately.
      1. mamba
        +1
        3 November 2012 21: 12
        Quote: valerei
        There is an urn, and around a bull-calf: what to talk about? The smoker enters the porch and throws the goby not on the street, but on the stairs: what to talk about? No law will make these people shit.

        There are good foreign examples of the fight against such pigs. For example, Singapore, where for such things literally strangled with three-digit fines. There everyone watches it: both policemen and citizens. Of course, with our mentality it’s hard to imagine such a thing, but you have to start somewhere.
    23. lotus04
      0
      3 November 2012 06: 35
      Quote: Vanek
      I’m smoking now. Don't like smoking nearby? STEP AWAY. And the point.


      I personally do not care, fight as you want, just do not touch our cartoons and films. I grew up on these cartoons and movies, but "damn" I never lit a cigarette! Is it because from an early age he knew that the wolf in "Well, wait a minute" is bad. He wants to eat a bunny and he smokes. They began to fight against that. Such films are released on the screens that blow your head. For example the film "Pisya", about a 6-year-old boy whose parents noticed a deviation in orientation. WHAT the fuck in 6 years rejected orientation! But nothing, no one "buzzes" about such films, calmly walk the planet. But the wolf from "Well, wait a minute" declined as best they could. Apparently from people, just under the slogan of fighting the bad, they are trying to take away the latest high-quality works, I'm not afraid to say, art. And replace them on the screen with "Borya Moiseevs", "Shuras", "Sands" and the rest of the "rainbow" company. But they don't smoke.
    24. NICK
      0
      3 November 2012 08: 41
      Vanek,
      I apologize for the wrong click (-).
      As always, we are trying to fight not with the cause, but with the consequences. At the same time, such laws are being adopted that you doubt the mental health of those who wrote them and those who adopted them. My son can't watch "Well, wait a minute" - and this is not insanity - THIS IS THE LAW! In my opinion, the law on smoking will be the same. It is planned that a pack of cigarettes will cost 140 rubles, arguing that this price is similar to the Western one, the same with the prices for housing and communal services, for gasoline and alcohol. Only in a strange way it turns out, instead of raising the standard of living, they only raise prices, constantly nodding to the west - as a universal measure of all cultural and material values. By the number of moronic laws we are rapidly approaching the United States, it seems that their colonial administration is adapting their laws to Russia. What will be done next is impossible, I'm even afraid to imagine
      1. 0
        3 November 2012 17: 27
        Quote: NICK
        It is planned that a pack of cigarettes will cost 140 rubles,

        Here, what is interesting is this law passed an anti-corruption test?
        No one needs to talk about what the American mafia has risen on, and ours has risen well.
        This resource has already been developed and divided, created a new one?
        Who do our smoking fighters really care about ?!
  2. +4
    2 November 2012 09: 06
    Another hysteria to divert attention from real problems.
    Leontiev is right as never before.
    1. +8
      2 November 2012 10: 14
      The fact that we have young daughters, expectant mothers are completely smoked, this is not your real problem. Whom will they give birth to. Somehow I went with the children to the clinic, and there is a department nearby where the pregnant women are kept. They have a fruit in their stomach that barely holds, everything is hemmed, and pregnant women smoke constantly on the stairwell, it is impossible to pass by. Previously, this was not the case, tobacco companies made smoking fashionable for women, the glamorous design of cigarettes, and here our little fools hang out in front of each other. In my workplace, most of the women smoke, I struggle with them as best I can, while only one quit when my health got enough. So I consider any measures of protection against this evil justified. For example, I would have banned the sale of cigarettes and cigarettes altogether, only weight tobacco, man, if he finishes smoking a pipe or twists a cigarette, and young people quickly realize that this is not glamorous.
      1. -4
        2 November 2012 10: 28
        Quote: sergey32
        sergey32


        All prohibitions have one bad property ... namely, the craving for the forbidden, the forbidden fruit, it is always especially sweet.
        In fact, all these anti-smoking companies do not give anything, people both smoked and smoked.
        There are a lot of aspects, for example, when people are forbidden to smoke in specially equipped places in office buildings, people are forced to go outside, in warm weather it’s normal, but when it’s cold, it makes people sick, and now they’re not particularly sick that goes sick at work and gives birth to everyone around ... and the result? And the result is doubtful ... would smoke in their smoking room and high with them, then the trouble then less. Bars and restaurants, the same song ... there were areas for smokers and non-smokers ... that's all I do not like that they smoke there is a room for non-smokers. And so in everything.
        It is necessary to combat smoking, but not by prohibitive, but by incentive measures, this is much more effective.
        1. +3
          2 November 2012 13: 48
          Tell me why I should invest in my production, which is constantly not enough, to create comfortable conditions for smoking. Am I a non-smoker instead of investing this money in development or even spending it on my four children is obliged to support the bad habits of my employees? By the way, they all have children, and they, sorry, stupid sheep spend every fifty dollars a day on cigarettes, and not on children.
          1. sq
            +1
            2 November 2012 15: 42
            sergey32creating a comfortable environment for smoking
            Ha. Smoking conditions. At the production, where I work, at first they also wanted to make conditions for comfortable smoking (gazebos, rooms), but then they simply banned smoking on the premises and determined smoking places on the street, and there the amenities - only a canopy and a ballot box and drafts are good. At some industries they went further, non-smokers made an increase in wages and increased labor productivity. I don’t remember where they did this, but in addition to the press, familiar guys told me, so this is not bullshit.
  3. Cavas
    +6
    2 November 2012 09: 13
    Trade rules are also tightened and excise taxes are sharply increased.
    WHO is lying shamelessly, as in many cases with supposedly terrible epidemics, because it is kept by pharmaceutical companies. A pharmaceutical lobby is more powerful than tobacco.


    Cigarette lobbyists are on the alert, now under the guise of a ban on smoking in public places.

    We look forward to another increase in cigarette prices!

    Greed .... Tsuka is one of the vices.
    Although on the last journey they put two nickels on their eyes !?
    1. -1
      2 November 2012 10: 33
      Quote: Cavas
      We look forward to another increase in cigarette prices!

      This is another desire to rip off more dough veiled by an attempt to join the club of states fighting for the health of their citizens in old Europe. There is undoubtedly something positive in this, but as usual, the search for funds turns this action into repression.
      Quote: article
      All heroes of films and programs will forbid smoking. Trade rules are also tightened and excise taxes are sharply increased.

      How so ? The Russians became rich enough to pay twice as much for cigarettes or in the place of the pipe Sherlock Holmes would sip a can of kefir. Likely the bell tower on which the figures are sitting who come up with similar projects is too high to see from the top all the little things of our being
    2. Mikado
      +1
      2 November 2012 10: 39
      The author of the article is clearly hysteria. I wonder what benefit the pharmaceutical lobby will receive from the ban on smoking in public places. Will they really buy more drugs? Perhaps the pharmacists are interested, just in the opposite, so that the people get smoked and then buy tons of drugs to treat the consequences?
  4. YARY
    +2
    2 November 2012 09: 13
    The All-Russian Odnak to the right of my right foot!
  5. +2
    2 November 2012 09: 14
    They cannot (or rather do not want) to ensure that the existing laws on smoking work and are observed, but they are already adopting new ones. Nothing, he will also be the same "as if it is, but it looks like it is not." A very comfortable position, to allow you to relax from inaction, but if necessary, you can selectively pull the hook.
    1. +6
      2 November 2012 09: 28
      I support, koksalek.
      These already laws - about smoking ... the carriage. Now there is also a "refrigerator" - it will appear, not a cart.
      Doing? Yes, nevermind.
      It is just right to stumble among the bulls.
      Do not smoke in places of mass. Yes Yes.
      Only before you go into hyper you smelle through tobacco. And asthma will worsen.
      ...
      "If the stars are lit - then someone needs it."
      If such laws are adopted ..- someone will boil well.
      ...
      Smoked 29 years. 5 years old I do not smoke. And I think - well, I was a sucker when I decided the first cigarette .. to smoke.
      1. +8
        2 November 2012 09: 46
        Not only did I leave, 9 more people from my circle of "fired" followed me, it's a pity that we begin to understand all the harm of smoking after 30.
  6. +5
    2 November 2012 09: 28
    Yes, no words. The era of Gorbachev's struggle against drunkenness, Prohibition, immediately comes to mind. When people began to extract alcohol from everything they could and drink everything "that burns". The moonshiners had considerable profits (although they officially fought with this. "The number of deaths from poisoning by surrogates has become so much classified. Vineyards were cut down. And the result? other), but you can’t go too far - as they say You cannot be lovely. They would have fought corruption with such zeal. That would be the case. To issue a law for corruption 0 years strict - and without any reservations and amendments. they are looking for "enemies" in the wrong place.
    1. Mikado
      +1
      2 November 2012 10: 40
      Quote: Averias
      and the result is 0


      of course of course. Look at least how life expectancy increased during that period.
      1. 0
        2 November 2012 12: 22
        And procreation has grown greatly!
  7. Goga
    +5
    2 November 2012 09: 29
    Until I was 50, I did not smoke at all, I was always calm about smoking nearby, they did not spoil my health, just as smoking does not spoil my health over the past eight years. I like what I do and w @ t I wanted to be on their "law". Well, they passed the "law" - you can't drink beer on the street - so what? As young people lapped these preservatives on the go, they continue to do so. Back in the 19th century, it was said that the imperfection of Russian laws is compensated by the non-binding nature of their implementation ... It is not necessary to adopt ebanuté laws, but to create a system for educating young people (namely a system) in which a "healthy lifestyle" will be a natural choice of a person and not the result of coercion. How does the "compulsion to the world" take place, we have all seen recently, now what, they will try to carry out "compulsion to a healthy lifestyle" by approximately the same methods? Oh, nafig, all this is a direct provocation, in the second half of the 90s, when Gorbaty needed to bring the people's dissatisfaction with the government to the highest level, this abomination organized a "crisis" with tobacco products - cigarette cards - which, now again, for someone very need to piss off millions of people? For what purpose? This is not stupidity and not a "clinical" case - this is direct HARMFUL ... stop
    1. +4
      2 November 2012 09: 56
      Quote: Gogh
      I like what i do


      Goga welcome. I have been smoking for 20 years already. Throw your wife away, but for me it’s a way to get distracted or something. I won’t violate the law, but I’ll try to get around like I’m not too busy.
      1. +4
        2 November 2012 10: 08
        Quote: vorobey
        I won’t violate the law, but I’ll try to get around like I’m not too busy.

        Hello people, that you’ll plant a type of sediment, the price of 150 per pack will not stop you laughing quit smoking, get up on skis wink
        1. +4
          2 November 2012 11: 16
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          quit smoking, get up on skis

          And instead of cancer there will be a hernia. smile (Do not understand privately. Joke. Smoking experience is 27 years. The last three years I can’t understand why I did this.)
          1. 0
            2 November 2012 11: 28
            Quote: starpom
            Smoking experience -27 years

            With this experience, you should give out free cigarettes wink
        2. mamba
          0
          2 November 2012 12: 30
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          what type of samosad plant

          I remember these "goat legs", dressed with makhorka or samosad, rolled up from a piece of newspaper, neatly torn off by fingers, slobbering tongue, rolled up and broken up. Old people smoked it until the early sixties. The stench stood as if a dirty footcloth had been set on fire. But they liked it.
      2. +4
        2 November 2012 10: 10
        Drop it, Vorobey, drop it.
        From a drop of nicotine ... - you know.
        But you are not a horse.
        Hey.
        1. +5
          2 November 2012 10: 30
          I did not find pictures with the inscription on the site smoking is forbidden, but I think this will also come.
      3. Goga
        +8
        2 November 2012 10: 14
        Vorobey - Greetings, Colleague! My wife also asks me - why have you lit a cigarette in your old age? To which I reasonably answer her -
        - Gradually there is no one to drink with, someone of the same age has already died, someone drank himself to death, someone, on the contrary, began to take care of the remaining health and does not drink ... and this is not a process that can be performed "in one".
        - to walk through the young ladies with my bald head and gray beard is somehow quite uncomfortable ...
        - so there is only one "joy" left - to smoke, but (I tell my wife) if you are against it, I will stop smoking and finally take care of the young ladies, to which the wife replies - no, you are better than smoking ....
        And so they came to an agreement ... lol
        1. Vanek
          +2
          2 November 2012 10: 23
          Quote: Gogh
          I’ll stop smoking and take care of the young ladies, to which the wife answers - no, you better smoke ....


          The main thing is to agree on time.

          Greetings Igor.

          We have it all, two belfries. They (not smokers) have their own - We have our own.
        2. +5
          2 November 2012 10: 34
          Greetings men. Get on the skis - I haven’t climbed them yet. I mean, I didn’t give up sports, although my son says and the elder says that it’s not interesting to fight me already — I’m breathing fast. yes it is. And on the other hand, whoever is destined to be hanged will not drown. Destined to become a bumper sticker on a cool foreign car. it doesn’t matter whether you smoke or not. I have strict restrictions; I do not smoke in the car or in the house (full of children), and I always ask for permission to smoke if I don’t know the rules of the institution where I am. and try not to disturb others, if they ask not to smoke, I abstain, but this is my choice. the children thank God until they reach out and smoke quietly, they just have a good example of their father, as a healthy man he barely defends three minutes against a fifteen-year-old in the ring, and they draw conclusions. And as a young man, I remember I had time to smoke uphill running with a calculation.
    2. 0
      2 November 2012 14: 14
      why are you, then put your grandchildren on your knees, light a cigarette and exhale in their faces tell about a healthy lifestyle. Having lived to such a age, you should understand that most children smoke while looking at adults. and the law is not aimed at fighting you (smokers), you cannot be corrected, but at the fact that as fewer youth are drawn in. I myself stole the first cigarette from Bati at the age of six, and actually started smoking at 13 and quit at 29, I have not smoked for 5 years and still cannot understand the fuck I smoked for so many years
      1. +1
        2 November 2012 18: 46
        Quote: kalbofos
        at 29 threw

        Himself threw or forced?
        And quit, if forced to do it?
  8. +2
    2 November 2012 09: 31
    Russia is a smoking country. Half of the adult population smokes in our country, and two-thirds of men do. And these people also have rights.

    As always, the minority dictates the will to the majority.
    I mean that smokers have their own rights. Each smoker is responsible for their own health. And Leontiev is right, there are no proven statistics on the dangers of smoke in non-smokers. Otherwise, it is necessary to ban all stoves in houses where open fire, firewood, coal, etc. are used, and at the same time, close all the boiler houses, thermal power plants, state district power plants, etc. to the damn mother. After all, they have a very bad effect on the health of the nation. And the fact that we all will freeze in the coming winter is a trifle.
    1. Cavas
      +1
      2 November 2012 09: 42
      Quote: Ustas
      and at the same time close to the damn mother all boiler houses, thermal power plants, state district power plants, etc.

      It may come to this if the gas workers declare war on the oil industry and lobby for their interests, such as -"fuel oil is harmful when burned, but gas is not, let's transfer everything to Khaz."

    2. +2
      2 November 2012 09: 50
      Quote: Ustas
      There are no proven statistics on the dangers of smoke in non-smokers.

      Bullshit. All the familiar heavy smokers died very early from lung cancer.
      1. 0
        2 November 2012 14: 39
        and for those who believe that there are no statistics on smoking deaths, I propose to visit the oncology center in Kashirka together with Mr. Leontyev. One friend died five days ago, one doctor gave the other two months to leave the hospital for discharge from the hospital. such statistics sad
        1. 0
          2 November 2012 18: 53
          Quote: kalbofos
          and for those who believe that there are no statistics on smoking deaths

          Talk about highlighted statistics.
          By the way, try to find comparative statistics on cancer between the city and the village.
      2. 0
        2 November 2012 18: 49
        Quote: Centurion
        heavy smokers

        Mmmm?
        What does avid mean?
    3. +1
      2 November 2012 10: 32
      Quote: Ustas
      Half of the adult population smokes in our country, and two-thirds of men do.

      Not sure, and the statistics seem to be different. It strongly depends on the parties in which you live and work. In our company, men don’t smoke men at 2 / 3, half of them have never smoked. Women smokes percent 20, no more.
      1. Vanek
        +1
        2 November 2012 10: 54
        Quote: Centurion
        Women smokes about 20 percent, no more.


        That's what you can’t argue with. Smoking woman ............. not buzzing in general. To whom to whom, and they need to ban smoking millet.
        1. 0
          2 November 2012 11: 41
          Quote: Vanek
          That's what you can’t argue with. Smoking woman ............. not good in general

          Well, yes, not everyone wants to kiss an ashtray.
    4. mamba
      +1
      2 November 2012 12: 37
      Quote: Ustas
      Leontiev is right, there are no proven statistics on the dangers of smoke in non-smokers.

      Leontyev is not right. I have never smoked, but for almost forty years my father fumigated me with the smoke of his cigarettes and cigarettes. He smoked like a steam locomotive, two or three packs a day, right in the apartment, not reckoning with anyone. At the same time, he preferred "Belomor", "Prima", "Astra". After examining my lungs, I was told that their condition was like that of a smoker with ten years of experience.
      As for his own health, he shortened his life pretty much, but significantly expanded the bouquet of his illnesses, which finished him off.
      Another of my relatives, a great-grandfather on the maternal side, died of lung cancer because he smoked a lot.
    5. 0
      2 November 2012 14: 30
      then let's get you a pipe from the thermal power plant in the window, what difference does it make to you
  9. +4
    2 November 2012 09: 32
    It seems to me that we have already passed something like this.
    Soon on the windowsills, instead of geranium, we will begin to grow shag
    1. +8
      2 November 2012 10: 16
      Quote: Mishael
      Soon on the windowsills, instead of geranium, we will begin to grow shag


      Michael. as a young lieutenant, I rented a room in the house of a grandfather of a war veteran. He did not smoke cigarettes. He himself grew tobacco and made shag. Grandfather Maxim went through the whole war in scouts, he had a bunch of medals and only two rituals. The ritual of the first is shaving with a dangerous razor, the ritual of the second is smoking. On weekends, you won’t believe me as a kid if you could just sit and watch, admire this 90 year old grandfather, with which dignity and inner self-respect and accuracy he did it. A simple Russian man, and now you won’t see such greatness inside, or very rarely.
      1. +1
        2 November 2012 10: 24
        Almost introduced!
      2. 0
        2 November 2012 14: 49
        let's start in kindergarten to teach smoking with dignity so that then everyone will stare. and my grandfather to the scout a deep bow, but not for smoking, but you yourself know why. Intelligence-Force. recently Vanka company read. just amazed that people had to endure. it’s not just a smoke, I would keep my head in my mind.
  10. +3
    2 November 2012 09: 34
    Several times more die from obesity! It is urgent to ban food winked
    1. 0
      2 November 2012 14: 52
      food is a natural need, but no smoking. you just have to limit yourself in food.
  11. +5
    2 November 2012 09: 34
    Ale moderators, with what a fright my flag of a foreign state appeared in my nickname. Cut it on your nose: I’m Russian, I’ve been living all my life in Russia (USSR) and I’m not going to leave my homeland.
    And for the sim, if you please, return the flag of my country.
  12. +12
    2 November 2012 09: 37
    I smoked for 16 years ... One and a half packs a day ....
    But he listened to the words of an intelligent man, gathered his strength and quit ... I have not smoked for 8 years.
    What a delicious food !!! What a delicious clean air !!!
    Think Friends !!!
    I agree with Leontiev, you can’t go too far, otherwise it is fraught, but it’s all the same disgusting.
  13. novik225
    +1
    2 November 2012 09: 40
    whatever you say, the new law is a restriction of freedom. I understand everything, it is necessary to protect NON-strangers from tobacco smoke! They have the right to breathe clean air - no doubt. Well, create smoking areas! as ethos is now done in many cafes and restaurants! Put more powerful ventilation systems! Make wagons / lounges / places for smokers - they also have a right!
    1. NUT
      NUT
      -1
      2 November 2012 10: 21
      Quote: novik225
      Well, create smoking areas!
      Sir, please, if it does not bother you, carefully read the percentage and, in accordance with the figures indicated, determine for whom, in this case, you need to create zones what
    2. Mikado
      +4
      2 November 2012 10: 49
      Such people have always surprised me. He will buy such a miracle a car and begin to park it on lawns, sidewalks, playgrounds, and when you ask him why he is so bad, he answers, they say, it’s not my fault, but the officials did not build parking lots in places where I need to, let them build, until this moment I will continue to park as I want. So you had to think about it before buying your vacuum cleaner. Here the situation is the same, you lit a cigarette and now everyone owes you! must supply powerful ventilation systems, must make areas in all restaurants and coffee, must make cars, salons, seats, what else do you owe now?
      1. +2
        2 November 2012 11: 19
        This is not me as a counter argument. And just like that. So don't be offended inadvertently. The same cars, the exhaust from them is such (especially when there is a traffic jam for many hours) that smokers have a rest. So, ban cars? But people walk the streets, breathe these fumes - and everything is "good". And now it turns out that smokers are to blame for everything. It is smokers who undermine the health of the nation. It’s strange as it is. Houses decorated with poor quality materials (fonat), food products with a bunch of imaginable and inconceivable chemical additives (where it is sometimes very difficult to find meat) - how does it contribute to a healthier society? And here on you, smokers are to blame - get a damn fascist grenade. Kon is brilliant.
        1. Mikado
          -1
          2 November 2012 11: 33
          And we will come to this, in due time, will also ban harmful exhausts. You did not notice how restrictions are introduced that in Europe they introduce standards for engines from year to year, euro-1,2,3,4,5. We also have restrictions on the harmfulness of exhaust. You can’t just take in one day and immediately ban all harmful. All gradually
        2. 0
          2 November 2012 15: 05
          Well then, let's allow drugs in public places, they drink beer, they smoke a plan, they smoke cigarettes. Wed ... in the middle of Red Square - with cars, oil is dripping onto the road. a bunch of more a bunch of less, the government will take away, and I am free people, wherever I want to go there and Wed .. u. right people say - in addition to rights, there are still responsibilities hi
      2. NUT
        NUT
        0
        2 November 2012 11: 52
        Quote: Mikado
        Such people have always surprised me.
        and they continue to surprise:
        - Around not a soul, sat on a small bench, lit a cigarette and then non-smoking grannies sit down to me and start to stink, like there’s nothing to breathe ....
        But I didn’t park next to them
        - Around not a soul, started a car, turned on the transmission, and here on the way two people meet and start communicating, and again, it was I who was dispersed here, I don’t give people a pass ....
        - But the tobacco went into rations and contentment, and the fighting hundred grams crawled for the time being when these walruses came and began to stink, like there was nothing to breathe, people were not allowed to pass ...
      3. 0
        2 November 2012 12: 18
        I do not agree with the comparison with cars. You knowingly put those who just bought a car in a losing position compared to those who bought it earlier. According to you, it turns out who previously bought something from those and more rights for parking, who later must adapt to the "old people". If there is a problem, who else, if not the administration, should start solving the problem? Samostoy is not welcomed by the authorities, but pretending that everything is OK, too, cannot last long. Officials must build the same parking lots if residents need them, otherwise lawns and so on will be soiled, life is like that, not motorists
  14. +1
    2 November 2012 09: 46
    I'll go smoke
  15. Lakkuchu
    +7
    2 November 2012 09: 46
    Tighten the law is necessary, but without excesses. Anyone who wants to poison himself, enriching the tobacco magnates, the flag in your hands, just do not then whine that the nation is dying. In Russia, from adolescence, smoking and drinking beer is already the norm, what kind of health of the nation can we talk about!
    1. Sergh
      0
      2 November 2012 10: 06
      Quote: Lakkuchu
      and beer is already normal

      Speaking of butterflies, they are also contagious, they devoured all the cabbage in my country house, bitch! Well, people, why are we silent, right now I am running away for Onishchenko, pull yourself in or sprinkle them with tobacco, winged ones?
      1. Lakkuchu
        +1
        2 November 2012 10: 37
        Quote: Lakkuchu
        from adolescence, smoking and drinking are already normal,

        Complete phrase, do you feel the difference? By the way, I also have a lot of pests on the site))
        1. Hedgehog
          0
          2 November 2012 23: 16
          Lakkuchu, this Serge, often posts containing "sore topics" podsyaet blunt comments, thereby leveling the very essence. Looks like his job.
      2. 0
        2 November 2012 19: 00
        Quote: Sergh
        in my country house ... right now I’m running away for Onishchenko

        Yeah. Yeah, run away.
        Just do not forget to check if you have in the country curly parsley otherwise ... and right away!
        wink
  16. Dimonanet
    +8
    2 November 2012 09: 47
    NO SMOKING NO SMOKING AND I WILL NOT SMOK !!!! AND I DO NOT ADVISE OTHERS !!!!
    THIS IS A NON-WASTE TIME !!!
    1. 0
      2 November 2012 10: 09
      Quote: Dimonanet
      THIS IS A NON-WASTE TIME !!!

      Well, rather than time, but money.
    2. +2
      2 November 2012 10: 15
      Quote: Dimonanet
      THIS IS A NON-WASTE TIME !!!

      - money, health and much more.
    3. +1
      2 November 2012 15: 14
      after 16 years of smoking I subscribe to every word, I wanted to smoke, squeeze ten times
  17. 0
    2 November 2012 09: 49
    Insanity grew stronger, it seems that the Martians are sitting in the Duma, it’s time for the guys to go down to the sinful earth and see what the people live.
  18. +4
    2 November 2012 09: 50
    I remember an agit advertisement, sits alone in a bar, smokes, drinks beer, exhales smoke on a non-smoker sitting next to it. A non-smoker endured then endured like a shit, well, of course I didn’t like it
  19. Limonad
    +2
    2 November 2012 09: 54
    Quote: ural70
    Is nicotine the same drug?

    But is tea also a drug, if brewed properly? let's ban tea.
    1. Pit
      Pit
      0
      2 November 2012 10: 56
      To prohibit tea as a drug, from the beginning it is necessary to teach people how to brew it, then it’s good to advertise, to break a bad fee for 25-30 years, and then to ban it. And besides, I know a bunch of people who know how to brew it so that they can swim, but somehow they don’t sit on it like on cigarettes.
  20. +8
    2 November 2012 09: 59
    To ruin any useful thing - you need to bring it to the point of absurdity.
    Therefore, I agree with Cavas that this law may well be the sophisticated course of the tobacco mafia, so that later, after a series of mass demonstrations by the people on the ground, completely abolish all restrictions on tobacco smoking and not hinder any of its propaganda.
    History knows such cases. For example, Prince Vladimir, in due time, so that the baptism of Rus would pass voluntarily and with a song, tentatively carried out the administration of traditional cults to intolerable extremes.
    For Vanek. More correct position, I believe, is:
    I wanted to smoke - went away, so as not to terrorize others, - and grass, as much as you need. And do not force people to flee from your egoism.
    You need to respect not only your weaknesses, but also the people around you.
    1. +1
      2 November 2012 10: 14
      Quote: kosopuz
      For example, Prince Vladimir at one time, so that the baptism of Russia was voluntary and with a song, had previously brought to the intolerable extremes the administration of traditional cults.
      - the second time we commemorate this gentleman, the kingdom to him is non-benevolent.
      Plus, instead of adopting a competent and multifaceted (or multifactorial?) Set of anti-tobacco measures, in which prohibitive measures would take the last place, they took and introduced the simplest thing - to ban! We will wait for the results -)))))). And there won't be any. Prohibitions have never worked. But corruption will receive a new impetus -)))). Taperich the policemen have another item of income - a man walks through the square (there, too, it seems, is a ban on smoking?), Smokes, and then again, a paw to the visor. indistinct chattering - representation and already clearly "Why do we smoke? According to the decree, etc., the text is fined". And then you yourself know -)))).
      The law is anti-Putin-))))). Such a surge of corruption will hit him first of all. Everything connected with corruption hits him. He would have to deal with corruption tightly, and deal with this anti-tobacco hysteria - there would be no benefit, they would not give up smoking anyway, and there would be a lot of harm and consequences.
      1. Pit
        Pit
        +1
        2 November 2012 11: 01
        Yes, and if you adopt a similar law nevertheless, but you should not make it so radical and think very thoroughly on the question of how to make people themselves begin to quit such a harmful habit, but for those who want to quit, but cannot create rehabilitation centers.
        Personally, I have been smoking for 16 years, I’m sleeping and I see that I stopped smoking, how many times I quit, I’ve lost count, but the whole initiative stops with the first stress, like a cigarette is a super psychologist.
    2. +1
      2 November 2012 15: 18
      Weaknesses must not be respected but fought against. The strongest victory of man is a victory over himself (I don’t remember who said) good
  21. Rezun
    +6
    2 November 2012 10: 01
    I smoke ... at home and in my personal office (I put the hoods). I almost do not smoke on the street and do not strictly smoke in public places.
    BUT --- please think!
  22. +2
    2 November 2012 10: 03
    Once, in 1985, a figure with a speck on his forehead, began the fight against drunkenness. As a result - general drunkenness and alcoholism, today's problems began then.
    Now another figure has decided to fight smoking bans. But everyone knows that the more forbidden the "fruit", the sweeter it is. So what is Mr. Onishchenko and others like him really trying to achieve. Whose mill are they really pouring water into.
    1. Mikado
      0
      2 November 2012 10: 56
      Where are such conclusions from? in those years (the years of "prohibition"), life expectancy increased as never before. Rampant drunkenness and alcoholism began with the collapse of the country.
      1. 0
        2 November 2012 19: 16
        Quote: Mikado
        life expectancy has increased

        Aloud please numbers then and now.
        And then I have something creepy in a search engine
        Years Both sexes Men Women
        1984 67,47 61,71 73,26
        1987 69,94 64,87 74,32
        1990 69,25 63,77 74,38
        1991 69,02 63,45 74,29
        1992 67,89 62,01 73,76
        1993 65,16 58,95 71,96
        1994 63,88 57,49 71,04
        1995 64,61 58,22 71,7
        1996 65,88 59,73 72,51
        ...
        Well?
  23. FID
    +6
    2 November 2012 10: 04
    Mafia walks on bans! Think of Prohibition in America. The same Gorbachev's law. Where did the super-rich come from who bought up our country? From the "dry law". How long can you step on a rake? After all, there is no more space on the forehead from the bumps! I smoked myself for a long time, but I haven't been smoking for 15 years. But everyone should decide for himself, prohibitions will not achieve anything !!!
    1. Mikado
      0
      2 November 2012 10: 54
      Let’s then open all the prisons and release the convicts, at the same time we will not put anyone in prison, we will abolish all laws and rules, because by prohibitions you won’t achieve anything !!!
      1. FID
        +4
        2 November 2012 11: 12
        To ban demagogy is a great thing!
        1. Mikado
          -1
          2 November 2012 11: 35
          if you prohibit demagogy, where are we going to put all the talk shows?
          1. FID
            +2
            2 November 2012 11: 42
            I didn’t think about it, but I had to try it, but right away: all the prisons, etc.
  24. NUT
    NUT
    +1
    2 November 2012 10: 11
    Wow, damn it! For the walruses with which we do not drink, for a repeat of 1991, it’s too lazy to come up with something new. Or they are absolutely sure of our, Russian, pathological aspiration once again on the same rake ...
    The Union was destroyed and destroyed, now it’s time and the Federation according to the same scenario, to the same end ...
    The main thing is that the next "perestroika" or other good intentions, which paved that very road, will make the Russian people angry, but it turned out to be as easy as shelling pears to make us angry - it was enough, as then, to conduct an anti-alcohol campaign, send all the soap to ... Ensk, sugar to. .. utsk, tobacco in ... s ...
    Well, what can our brother do with evil, screw up, tell me not - not for you to listen
  25. +3
    2 November 2012 10: 17
    The total ban didn’t lead to anything good, but it’s necessary to start sometime, or else they taught you to drink and smoke with an alcoholic
  26. +3
    2 November 2012 10: 18
    A non-smoker has the right not to breathe smoke, but a smoker also has the right to smoke !!! Has anyone thought about a personal car? Let's ban them ?! Pedestrians breathe our exhausts. This is far more harmful than tobacco smoke.
    1. Mikado
      -1
      2 November 2012 10: 52
      Not all at once, everything has its time, and it will come to that.
  27. Centuri0n
    +2
    2 November 2012 10: 26
    Quote: Vanek
    I’m smoking now. Don't like smoking nearby? STEP AWAY. And the point.

    You poison others so that to the side and then you need to move away actually.
  28. +3
    2 November 2012 10: 35
    Prohibition is not necessary. Who smokes and drinks themselves will sink into the grave, of their own free will. The rest is a pity.
  29. serge
    +1
    2 November 2012 10: 36
    Well, they will not smoke in the porches, they will smoke in apartments, poisoning their family members. To ban in restaurants is also strange. Then let's ban alcohol, it is much more harmful than smoking. The ban on smoking at the entrance to the stations - in general it is not clear why. Make a fool pray to God, so he will break his forehead. Leave us our bad habits, life is not so dreary with them.
    1. Pit
      Pit
      0
      2 November 2012 11: 25
      They need to be regulated, banned en masse, clearly limit the places where it is possible and where it is not possible, just that it would not turn out like with toilets in the city, you walk down the street, itch and start looking for a corner where you cannot be seen, otherwise the administrative one is marked "pisun". Here, along the way, they will write "Kuryaka"
      1. NUT
        NUT
        +1
        2 November 2012 12: 02
        Quote: Pit
        They need to be regulated, completely prohibited, clearly limited places where it is possible and where it is impossible,
        again the same rake. History shows and proves that even a single ban on benefits has not brought people, but huge profits have also benefited its writers.
  30. +2
    2 November 2012 11: 16
    In our country, everything is always with excesses. There is no way to start. To raise prices, and then slowly tighten the screws, so no, all at once .....
  31. I-16M
    +3
    2 November 2012 11: 18
    With drug addiction would be so fought
  32. Igor
    -6
    2 November 2012 11: 31
    The best way to get rid of this infection is to increase excise taxes so that 1 pack costs 300 rubles, a bottle of vodka 500 rubles, beer 200 rubles, but for this method to work effectively it is necessary for the population to knock the police on illegal points of sale of alcohol and tobacco.
    1. NUT
      NUT
      +1
      2 November 2012 11: 55
      Quote: Igorek
      1 pack cost 300 r., A bottle of vodka 500 r., Beer 200 r.
      and again the kids will be left without candy
    2. +3
      2 November 2012 13: 21
      Quote: Igorek
      the population was pounding the police


      If not for free. I’m probably signing up for informers.
    3. Sergh
      +1
      2 November 2012 13: 44
      Quote: Igorek
      population pounded police about illegal points of sale of alcohol

      Oh Igorek, in the week if you do not repay a debt (figuratively) to your neighbor, you will be the first to go under the article. Look, you play with fire. And we also know about Gorbachev’s poison with methyl alcohol, when vodka by coupons, you'd better not know this ..., 500 p. hochmachi.
      1. Igor
        +1
        2 November 2012 16: 20
        Quote: Sergh
        when vodka on coupons, you'd better not know this


        Moreover, I don’t know why to drink it and therefore I don’t drink it!
  33. WW3
    WW3
    +4
    2 November 2012 11: 54
    The main thing is not to impose your smoke on people around, if a person stands nearby, he just breathes air, we cannot help breathing, because a person is not a fish and he has no gills, step aside and smoke as much as you like and it is advisable not to smoke in front of children , because children copy the behavior of adults - they want to be older however ....
    Leontyev "plus" - raised a topical topic.
    1. WW3
      WW3
      +4
      2 November 2012 12: 37
      These pictures should be shown more often - they make you think
      1. 0
        2 November 2012 19: 21
        WW3,
        Such pictures were seen by the signed lungs of a city dweller and a village dweller.
  34. +4
    2 November 2012 11: 57
    He smoked for 17 years, since childhood, smoked well, preferred strong tobacco, a pack and a half a day. I didn’t want to throw, although I felt like a complete wreck. It so happened that I quit, I have not smoked for 13 years. A completely different life! I appeal to all smokers - do not be fooled, quit smoking!
    My father recently died. The last years of his life were very ill with lungs, the consequences of smoking in his youth ...
  35. +1
    2 November 2012 12: 01
    ban tobacco like marijuana !!!
  36. Mr. Truth
    +3
    2 November 2012 12: 09
    The first time I see hoarse in hysteria.
    Judging by the head and not the ass, this is what happens.
    Smokers consider smoking their right to dispose of their health. But when there are health problems, many flee to state hospitals with their state insurance.
    Tobacco campaigns take billions out of the country, leaving the country with the cost of treating "free people in their choice" plus tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths each year.
    My suggestion is to introduce a limited anti-smoking law (even if they don’t even put children in smoking rooms in restaurants), plus to refuse former or current smokers if they have a complication due to their bad habit.
    1. +1
      2 November 2012 12: 50
      Quote: Mr. Truth
      plus refuse to former or current smokers if, due to their bad habit, they have a complication.


      just like a smoker conscript if a splinter gets into the lung (God forbid anyone like that).

      Do we have cancer for free in non-smokers?
      1. Mr. Truth
        0
        2 November 2012 13: 43
        Quote: vorobey
        smoking conscript if a splinter gets into the lung

        talking about civilians.

        Quote: vorobey
        Do we have cancer for free in non-smokers?

        My grandfather was treated.
  37. Samovar
    +4
    2 November 2012 13: 29
    In Russia, an average of 340 people die every year from smoking-related causes. Who wants to replenish these statistics is a complete advance, only non-smokers should not be dragged there.
    I myself have never smoked and do not intend to. And I respect those who did not give in or found the strength to quit this crap!
    1. 0
      2 November 2012 19: 34
      Quote: Samovar
      In Russia, an average of 340 people die every year from smoking-related causes.

      Where is the digit from?
  38. +2
    2 November 2012 13: 51
    I doubt that this law will be passed in the form in which it is presented. But if it does pass, I can only say one thing: smoking rooms were added! Just the same with a mockery. And Leontyev Zhuchara, as a personal interest, upholds directly the fate of the world he decides. I’m not talking about smokers in general, but a large number of them simply do not give a damn to everyone around them and never think about those who this habit brings harm and displeasure to. And since they are also stubborn and stubborn in their habit, they don’t like to go to a place other than strict rules, nothing will help.
    But most importantly, I believe that we will see great benefit from these draconian measures (if everything doesn’t turn upside down) only after a generation, for those who smoke now are unlikely to be weaned, but younger children who do not receive this byak in easy accessibility are unlikely to be so mass smoking and this is the main benefit.

    Yes, I’ll add as a person who does not smoke, that from cigarette smoking rooms:
    - it is disgusting already for three meters;
    - Kissing with a smoking girl is disgusting, and in the morning in general the feeling that the slop yesterday was rinsed all day in the mouth;
    - you, as drunks, if you haven’t smoked for a long time, start to get nervous and lose the thread of what is happening until you smoke, in short, become a little insane (you yourself don’t notice this).
  39. 0
    2 November 2012 14: 55
    The law is complete nonsense. Naturally, like all prohibitive laws, it won’t work. How smoked and will smoke. Only a certain circle of persons will profit.
    I have been smoking for 42 years. I tried to quit several times. And I think that it’s not necessary to fight with people like me. It's all in the heads. If a person is brought up, then he will smoke in a way that would not annoy others. You can’t stop the boor by law.
    I am categorically against smoking young people. But how our rulers do not understand that the law does not stop them.
    Other measures are needed. It is necessary to tear the youth away from the street. We need sports sections, various circles. And it's all free. At public expense. We need to involve young people there. If they are left on the "street", then beer, cigarettes will remain the main attributes of life for them. And no Onishchenko, LADIES can stop it by any laws.
    But it is expensive, for a long time. And here again - banned, done. A sense. NO.
    I graduated from high school in 1971. I do not remember the case that a girl smoked. The boys sometimes dabbled, but there were no girls - smokers.
    A completely different generation grew up in the 90s. A generation that does not believe in the future, living one day, a generation of do not care. From them "teachers" came to school. What will they teach the children? How to educate?
    We need painstaking, long work to improve the first moral and then physical condition of society. And the use of Russian NIZZIA is a fiction. Nothing to fail.
    -
  40. andrey122
    0
    2 November 2012 15: 14
    Dumb liberal provocation with the goal of rocking the boat.

    The draft new anti-tobacco law has nothing to do with the fight against smoking

    http://oko-planet.su/politik/politiklist/146540-proekt-novogo-antitabachnogo-zak

    ona-ne-imeet-nikakogo-otnosheniya-k-borbe-s-kureniem.html # comment
  41. 0
    2 November 2012 16: 29
    Why won't this law work? As they begin to punish the ruble, for a period of time and community service everything will work right away.
    The state or company is not required to provide smokers with smoking areas.
    I treat smokers condescendingly, sometimes contemptuously or with hatred.
    The main thing is to ban smoking in the presence of children, smokers (like other drug addicts) can not be fixed, it is necessary to protect the children.
    1. andrey122
      0
      2 November 2012 17: 27
      “Why won't this law work? How will they begin to punish with the ruble, and with public works, everything will work right away.
      The state or company is not required to provide smokers with smoking areas.
      I treat smokers condescendingly, sometimes contemptuously or with hatred. "
      Another patient. Correctly Leontiev said: it’s time to really take care of the health of the nation. Here, comrade, we’ll start
  42. 8 company
    +2
    2 November 2012 16: 44
    Smoking can be an unhealthy and dangerous habit, but there can be no statistics.

    I would never have thought that Leontiev could utter such a crazy phrase, the first half of it completely contradicts the second. And in appearance a smart man and often smart things say. Can I have a smoke?
    1. andrey122
      -1
      2 November 2012 17: 24
      I would never have thought that Leontiev could utter such a crazy phrase, the first half of it completely contradicts the second. And in appearance a smart man and often smart things say. Can I have a smoke?

      It was not he who smoked. You did not document it.
    2. 0
      2 November 2012 17: 57
      Kurts are a relic of the past, a return to the wild herd of primitive people.
      Unfortunately, we suffer from atavism, an incurable disease. "Atavism is a manifestation by the body in the course of its growth of certain characteristics inherited from its distant ancestors, later lost (more often they say this about the phenomena of deformity or degeneration). Were savages and cannot tear ourselves away ... From the history of smoking:
      "The sailors of Christopher Columbus first saw a smoking man on October 12, 1492, you see, even the exact date is known - you can recommend it to smokers as a kind of" professional "holiday. American writer Washington Irving describes the scene of Europeans' acquaintance with tobacco in the following way:" On their way back they (the Spaniards ) saw for the first time the use of a plant, from which later the inventive whim of a person made an object of universal luxury, despite the resistance of feelings.A few savages walked around with burning brands and some kind of dry grass in their hands; this grass (so in the text) they rolled into scrolls or tubes, then they lit one end, and took the other into their mouths and began to alternately draw in and exhale the smoke from themselves. The natives called these scrolls "tobacco" - the name later given to the plant itself from which it is prepared. "THIS IS FOR INFORMATION FOR KURTSOV!
      1. andrey122
        0
        2 November 2012 19: 12
        You do not suffer from atavism, but by something else. And the level of intelligence raises a big question. wassat
    3. 0
      2 November 2012 19: 41
      Quote: Company 8
      its first half is completely contrary to the second

      In what
      Recently, it has become fashionable to express intelligent thoughts without worrying about their justification.
      Can you enlighten us dark how to highlight in general the statistical component of the harm of smoking?
  43. +1
    2 November 2012 16: 47
    Everything will end as always - smoking companies pump out a lemon for each member of the State Duma and the law will be returned to - "further investigation of harmful components to Russian citizens in the component part of the issues of harmful influence, in particular according to GROWTH No. 12345-765-EZH-17 AK
  44. Aleks60
    0
    2 November 2012 16: 49
    I like it - the lungs of a healthy smoker's lungs. But taken from the dead. After all, this is not a color x-ray. Was on different sides of the barricade. I have not smoked for 35 years. Started a cigar. You drive sober while driving but a little under chamor. Yes past the checkout. But pregnant women and so on interfere with calm smoking. Smoke in close company or alone. It's like drinking, the main thing is a normal drinking companion. THERE ARE PUBLIC RULES but there is FREEDOM to relate to your body and health. There are moral bans, but once again they impose personal ones on me. Type you serve and we will wait for you.
  45. 0
    2 November 2012 19: 28
    Well, in principle, not bad. Only it seems to me that there should be specially designated places for smoking, and not just ban.
  46. +1
    2 November 2012 22: 00
    Leontiev is right. The law is needed, but do not rush to rush.
  47. +1
    2 November 2012 22: 32
    "That is, in the global anti-tobacco hysteria, Russia breaks out to the first places, catching up and overtaking recognized leaders."

    in Canada in some provinces the same law that has been introduced for a long time has specific amendments. For example - at least 3 meters from crowded places, vents, etc. in the city this dispensation is already 6 meters. In principle, it is logical.
    Just like the logical price of a pack of cigarettes, which is $ 10-12, the logic is simple: with the dragon tax on cigarettes, the lion's share goes to the health budget, because smokers go to hospitals more often than non-smokers.
    By the way, the fine in Canada for smoking in a public place is not at all symbolic - $ 300
    Do you want to smoke? No problem, but here's a proverb - love to ride ...
    Attention! Now fall! - In Alberta, minors who smoke, or simply have cigarettes with them, face a fine of $ 1 million, and anyone seen selling cigarettes to minors faces a LIFE in prison.
    That's it!
  48. Hedgehog
    +1
    2 November 2012 23: 04
    I’m wondering how in a country where they taught smoking almost from a kindergarten, you can deal with general smoking? No, really, if you think about the essence of the problem: the whole snag is not that one adult uncle or aunt is poisoning himself or another uncle-aunt with smoke ... And Anishchenko emphasizes that we are completely smoking young people! I myself, working in an educational institution, face this every day. What are there 67%, at least 90% !!!, and more! And these are students based on grades 9-11.
    But here's what's interesting: notice how the representatives of tobacco companies' interests skillfully manipulate public opinion. That's where the dog fumbled! After all, it is not so difficult to calculate their losses if the number of active smokers declines. And you, gentlemen smokers, defending your "rights and freedoms", first of all support the multibillion-dollar profits of those who POISON YOUR CHILDREN !!! Or it just doesn't reach YOU! Open your eyes: no one will wean you off smoking, but without radical measures the situation cannot be reversed! It's a fact! Not you, but YOUR CHILDREN must be saved! if it's not too late ...
  49. +1
    3 November 2012 00: 38
    They did everything right.
    If you want to smoke, smoke, but go where no one will breathe this smoke.
    High excise taxes should precisely reduce the number of smokers, because prices are a very powerful argument.
    I myself smoke, but I'm not going to defend the rights of smokers, because smoking is not good.
  50. -1
    3 November 2012 02: 56
    How many prices came together very RIGHT as disgusting. On a medal, I tell you a story. I’ll smoke but I won’t give up. I’m not on the bus at the hospital or at school, and so I will never smoke even thoughts do not arise. .You are not interested to listen to smokers so you need to shoot. Who does not smoke and does not drink he will die healthy. Joke
  51. +2
    3 November 2012 08: 19
    I've been smoking for ten years. I only smoke at work. Why? He who doesn't smoke works))
    BUT, after the adoption of this law, I will be 90% sure that my children, as well as others, will not smoke and be exposed to HARMFUL influences.
    And I’ll stop smoking 100% myself.
    So the law is +100000.
    It would be the same with alcohol) good
  52. sergey261180
    0
    3 November 2012 11: 47
    The law will not apply. You need to stop smoking from childhood. Because people usually start smoking in childhood out of stupidity. How? There should be discrimination against smokers in everything. Pay them 20% less salary. If you see a child or teenager smoking, make him eat cigarettes. It’s the same with women - stewing bulls on their foreheads! If you are stronger than a smoker, give him a lula just for smoking and this should not be subject to criminal punishment. This is righteous anger. Tough, but that's the only way.

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