The first photos of the S-125 "Newa SC" air defense systems transferred by Poland to Ukraine appeared on Ukrainian Internet resources

Poland handed over to Ukraine modernized Soviet anti-aircraft missile systems S-124 "Newa SC" (Cyfrowy System - digital system) on the chassis tank T-55. The first photos of these air defense systems have already appeared on Ukrainian Internet resources.

The Armed Forces of Ukraine received an unnamed number of S-125 "Newa SC" air defense systems from the presence of the Polish army. The transfer of the complexes was also confirmed in the Polish government, said the former head of the office of the Cabinet of Ministers of the country, Michal Dvorczyk. However, he did not name either the number of transferred complexes or the timing of their delivery.

Judging by the photo, the air defense systems entered service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine at the end of summer or at the beginning of autumn, when the grass was still green. Since information about these complexes has appeared only now, it can be assumed that they are located somewhere very far from the front, most likely in the territory of the western regions of Ukraine.

S-125 "Newa SC" (Cyfrowy System - digital system) - the Polish version of the Soviet anti-aircraft system S-125 "Neva-M", mounted on the chassis of the Soviet T-55 tank. Poland received air defense systems and tanks from the Soviet Union during entry The complex, created in the 60s of the last century to combat low-altitude air targets, was modernized twice. almost all the equipment was replaced with more modern ones in 1992, which made it possible to increase the ability of the complex to detect targets.But the missiles remained the same, so that the range of destruction remained the same: in height - 55, in range - 543 km.

The complex is designed to engage air targets at low and medium altitudes in any weather on a collision course and in pursuit. Poland has repeatedly tried to export the upgraded air defense system, but to no avail. Probably, Ukraine became the first foreign operator of the modernized S-125 "Newa SC" air defense system.

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[tralflot1832]

Interestingly, the air defense systems of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are in plus or minus. Especially at the forefront.

[Zoldat_A]

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Quote: tralflot1832

Interestingly, the air defense systems of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are in plus or minus.

I would be afraid to give a slingshot to the Armed Forces of Ukraine. It is not known who they can fill up with this air defense system. Again, it is not known - on purpose or by accident, from curvature.
When "Chimeras" fall on the Donbass, it is clear that the Americans are choosing targets. And with the S-125, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be able to cope on their own, therefore it is not known what they are "managing".

[Comrade I]

It is not known who they can fill up with this air defense system.

Who knows - our aviation. Killing our pilots. Further lines of contact no longer fly. You all joke, after 10 months even? Ugh...

[RED_ICE]

Well, yes?! They still shoot down our turntables and quite effectively

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: RED_ICE

They still shoot down our turntables and quite effectively

That's just the stump, that not only them.

[dmi.pris1]

The other day they shot down the Ka52 and Su24 of the Wagner air wing. Their air defense is working. The helicopter was shot down from the Buk, I don’t know the bomber. It was all in the VO cart

[oleg-nekrasov-19]

The dryer was not shot down, it crashed, the crew could not eject, died, and the KA 52 was shot down from the Buk by the crew - experienced guys - died.

[dmi.pris1]

Crashed on the front line? Coming out of the attack?

[oleg-nekrasov-19]

Yes, they crashed, having been bombed near Kleshcheevka. Retired Air Force Major General Kanamat Botashev recruited this crew, the most experienced pilots. All eternal memory. When this SVO ends, I think it would be nice to erect a monument to our pilots there.

[topol717]

Quote: oleg-nekrasov-19

KA 52 was shot down from a Buk

Can someone explain why they have air defense on the front line?
Where are our planes that should suppress all enemy air defenses, at least on the first front line? or do we not have anti-radar missiles? or no DLRO aircraft? Or do generals have no brains?

[wladimirjankov]

Due to poor intelligence (insufficient number of modern UAVs, electronic warfare, REM, lack of AWACS, leading remote radar sensing satellites, constant monitoring of the combat zone and rear, transmitting all information online to weapons of destruction), the enemy can freely move his mobile air defense systems with radars turned off, to ambush our aviation flight routes and activate the radar at the last moment, after receiving data via high-speed secure Internet from NATO satellites, AWACS and UAVs.

[topol717]

What NATO DLRO near Donetsk?
Aviation must itself extinguish all enemy air defenses. To do this, the Su-25 or Su-30 should always cover a pair of Su-35s with anti-radar missiles. Or is it that hard? About electronic warfare, it is not entirely clear what it can do against air defense. Sometimes it seems to me that in the highest echelons of the military authorities they do not understand at all what teamwork is.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Under ideal conditions, the Buk air defense system does not take below 15 meters, how could he shoot down a helicopter?

[Graz]

I saw a video from the side of the Ukrainians, there was a helicopter shot down over the tops of tall trees, it was flying there, probably under 40m, the height was, sort of like with this same ka-52 from the last shot down by them

[YOUR]

He flew at an altitude of about 100 meters. Is there a video

[vovochkarzhevsky]

100 meters for a helicopter in a war zone for a helicopter, that's suicide.
Yes, I watched that video. Just horrified. It's just a 100% set up for defeat.
And most importantly, why is this? Somehow the thought of wanting to commit suicide still disappears. What then?
The preparation is lame, that despite the "glass cockpits" and GLONASS, navigational training is such that we rise to look around?

[YOUR]

Two helicopters are visible there, one is flying at an ultra-low altitude, the second has risen and hovered. Presumably he was waiting for the task to be set. It turned out to be the perfect target. Sorry guys. Moreover, they write that it was one of the most productive crews.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Pity right. Let's say it like it is, the commander with this wild maneuver, in which there is no need for a word at all, just killed him.

[Goto]

I didn’t expect, perhaps, but I brought the rocket.

[oleg-nekrasov-19]

Everything is a plus for them now, they ask everyone for everything, and they declare one weapon as a result they give another, in general, I don’t understand anything.

[YOUR]

I must say that the air defense system is excellent. With appropriate upgrades. Of the shortcomings, single-channel on purpose. In vain we refused these air defense systems

[dmi.pris1]

A wonderful complex. In Yugoslavia, F117 was dropped from it.

[Arisaka]

If you read the memoirs of the air defense commander who controlled the battery that shot down the 117th, then there is an understanding that this was a combination of feat and luck, as well as the high professionalism of the radar operators and the air defense system itself.

[Revolver]

We ourselves should have upgraded the S-125 in this way, and not into scrap metal. Very cleverly done too. Curiously, the leveling of launchers for psheks is automatic, or, as in the original, "Left 30! ... Right 60! ..."

[dmi.pris1]

The Belarusians have made modernization. But they have an export version on the MZKT chassis.

[solar]

Of the shortcomings, single-channel on purpose.

So mass raids are not expected.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: YOUR

I must say that the air defense system is excellent. With appropriate upgrades.

Uh-huh ... which comes down to throwing out all the stuffing and half of the mechanics. And this miracle will cost like a new air defense system.

Quote: YOUR

In vain we refused these air defense systems

It’s just that after Vietnam it became clear that even in the country’s air defense forces, the complex had nothing to do with a 45-minute curtailment time. Another question is that with the abandonment of the S-125 and before the appearance of the "Shell", low altitudes lost their cover - only the army remained with the DB air defense systems for working on MV and WWII.

[Thorvlobnor IV]

Ukrainians are able to upgrade the S-125 to the S-125-2D1 variant, and the missiles to the 5V27D-M1 and -M2 variants (semi-active and active seeker). In terms of range and height, the complex almost approached the Buk: 40 km in range and 25 km in height.

[Uprun]

If the missiles are from the category of "delay", then the tractors of the psheks can already begin to strain ...

[real diamond]

So the range is short, you have to be completely sick in the head to get into the tractor again.

[rotmistr60]

Judging by the photo, the Ukrainians and the S-75 will be happy today (if anyone else has left).

Armed Forces of Ukraine received an unnamed number of S-125 "Newa SC" air defense systems from the presence of the Polish army

With the world on a thread - a naked shirt. Ukraine has indeed become a "black hole" and a waste disposal site for both obsolete Soviet weapons and newer Western ones. Interestingly, the Poles sold or "from the bottom of their hearts" presented with the expectation of the future.

[Zoldat_A]

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Quote: rotmistr60

Interestingly, the Poles sold or "from the bottom of their hearts" presented with the expectation of the future.

Perhaps they were "gifted" with an eye to the fact that the United States or Germany would somehow compensate. Such a "multi-way offset". And if such a "multi-move" takes place, then this money has already been deducted from the American budget allocated for Ukraine. Then they will go as a discount to Germany or France, which will fuse their old on the cheap in Poland. Eventually - everybody died all gesheft.

[RUR]

"allocated for Ukraine, this money has already been deducted. Then they will go as a discount to Germany or France, which will fuse their old one on cheap Poland"
Poland has been buying almost nothing from France and Germany for a long time - tanks - Abrams and Korean, aircraft - made in the USA, air defense - Patriots with their own control systems and integration with air defense of a shorter range, etc.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: RUR

Poland has been buying almost nothing from France and Germany for a long time - tanks - Abrams and Korean, aircraft - made in the USA, air defense - Patriots with their own control systems and integration with air defense of a shorter range, etc.

Big difference? America still has the final profit.
Yes, in fact, I do not claim the reliability of my scheme - I do not huckster financier, for me it's all too complicated. I would like to build something at work or do it with my own hands at home in the workshop, but trade is not mine.
I heard from those who are in trade the expression "sell three times" - when goods A are sold not for money, but for goods B at a good discount, then goods B are exchanged for goods C at the same discount, etc. In the end, the profit from the sale of product A grows cosmically. I am sure that the Americans are fluent in this technique.

[RUR]

A big difference?

Germany does not produce air defense of the Patriot type at all, even integrated air defense of the Polish type - medium and short, very short radius too - no, Korean tank technologies are transferred to Poland (for money, of course), serious aviation in the West is the USA, etc.

[B-15]

The complex is really very interesting. Unlike its parent, it has increased mobility, a modern anti-jamming system, a NATO-integrated friend-foe identification system, etc.
What can please us is that the missiles have not been modernized (range 25 km), the radar has not changed.
There is a feeling that these complexes stood on the database in the western regions of the former Ukrainian SSR.

[Uprun]

Increased mobility - T-55 base? Seriously? Have you seen the T-55, tried to fly it?

[solar]

SAM is not a tank on the battlefield. But the patency on such a base will clearly improve.

[Sith]

S-300s began to run out along the way ... former users of Soviet technology ... further ... S-125 ... S-75 ... C-25 ... slingshot ...

[B-15]

C25 won't work. They stood only in Moscow. Removed from service and disposed of.
But I would be very happy to replace all other complexes of Ukraine with C25. The range, heights and, most importantly, the preparation time for carrying the database will allow us to calmly continue to carry out decommunization.

[Roman Efremov]

Quote: Mikhail Maslov

It's time to look at the war realistically and finally make the right decisions.

For example? What is the "right decision" to make?

[rocket757]

The first photos of the S-125 "Newa SC" air defense systems transferred by Poland to Ukraine appeared on Ukrainian Internet resources

. Can quantity easily turn into quality?
So it is doubtful, but this amount is supported by the quality of various assistance, services, from the owner, and this is serious!

[Foundling]

Saturation of enemy air defense is in full swing. As a result, alas, we had to forget about air supremacy, and these are bombers, and the ability to transport hundreds of tons of explosives to the head of the enemy. Rockets can't do it. Yes, and the effectiveness of missile attacks can be analyzed by the rate of return to operation of critical infrastructure. Therefore, the news is formed bad

[Mikhail Maslov]

The further into the forest, the more firewood. 30 Cheetahs, NASAMS, IRIST, ASPID, HOK, here is the S-125 and who in this case can say that the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not have air defense. The longer we take "unpopular" decisions, the Banderlogs will have more and more modern weapons. And the TV directly shouts the Armed Forces of Ukraine are exhausted (they attack every day, shelling every day), shell hunger, air defense is over. It's time to look at the war realistically and finally make the right decisions.

[Dingo]

And the TV is directly screaming APU is exhausted

Don't look at this zombie box! Balabol Konashenkov has "winned" the APU for the third time... However, only with his tongue.

[solar]

Decisions seem to be made not effective, but spectacular, somehow hitting the power grid. As a result, the power grids also work, except perhaps intermittently, and the Ukrainian air defense received Western air defense models for service, including the latest ones, a direct consequence of attacks on critical infrastructure.

[Elissa Mare]

This is old-new you call it?))

[solar]

This is old-new you call it?))

nasams or iris-t junk?
The rest, although not new, are quite usable.
So far, they have never received any.

[solar]

Judging by the photo, the air defense systems entered service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine at the end of summer or at the beginning of autumn, when the grass was still green.

Not an indicator. Ukraine is not Siberia, in the southern part and in winter the grass can be green.

[Wildcat]

About 15 years ago, Poland upgraded some of the available S-125M1A Neva-M1 air defense systems to the Newa-SC level. At the same time, most of the electronics was transferred from electrovacuum devices to a solid-state element base. Thanks to the use of digital technologies and new algorithms of work, it was possible to improve noise immunity and increase the speed of information processing. The control cabin and antenna post were installed on the MAZ-543 wheeled chassis, which was previously used for OTP R-17 launchers.
Launchers 5P73 with four anti-aircraft missiles were transferred to the tracked chassis of the armored recovery vehicle WZT-1, which has much in common with the base of the T-55 tank. At the same time, solid fuel was replaced in the 5V27 SAM and the main elements were prevented.
Currently, the 3rd Warsaw Anti-Aircraft Missile Brigade is armed with 17 Newa-SC air defense systems. These complexes were planned to be operated until 2026, after which they would be replaced by new British-Polish Narew air defense systems. However, in the light of recent events, the leadership of the command of the Polish Army decided to intensify the supply of Narew air defense systems, and the Newa-SC to be decommissioned can be donated to Ukraine.

https://topwar.ru/201486-ukrainskie-zenitnye-raketnye-kompleksy-obektovoj-pvo-ispolzuemye-protiv-rossijskoj-aviacii.html
10 September 2022
Bongo was right....

[Freeman]

Quote from uprun

If the missiles are from the category of "delay", then the tractors of the psheks can already begin to strain ...

"Cyfrowy System"(digital system) - interesting, I alone read it as "Kurvova systems"?

[Elissa Mare]

Did the beggars get something again? And let the Poles do not complain later that something arrives to them ..

[futurohunter]

It looks like NATO is using Ukraine as a disposal of old weapons

[katarsafebox.com]

Fuck, and most importantly, why? O_o
(Admins, disable the restriction!)

[Roman Efremov]

Quote: B-15

There is a feeling that these complexes stood on the database in the western regions of the former Ukrainian SSR.

Are you hinting that Poland will cover the sky of its new southeastern territories with them? Maybe better than if they appear on the front line ...............

[Oleg Pershin]

Such a system, at one time, shot down an American stealth aircraft.

[certero]

Quote: Foundling

As a result, we unfortunately had to forget about air supremacy,

You say that as if this air supremacy once existed. He never was except for the first days of the special operation.