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Borrell: There is a more important topic than the discussion of security guarantees for Russia

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Borrell: There is a more important topic than the discussion of security guarantees for Russia

There is a more important topic than discussing security guarantees for Russia. Before raising this issue, a plan should be developed on how to guarantee the security of Ukraine.


According to Agence France-Presse, this opinion was expressed by the European Union's chief diplomat, Josep Borrell, at a symposium organized by the Jacques Delors Institute (Paris).

The EU High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy believes that security guarantees for Russia can be considered after similar guarantees for Kyiv are determined. According to the European official, this is the only way to stop the Ukrainian conflict. The head of European diplomacy believes that this should be guided by international law. And only after the issue is resolved, one can think about providing guarantees to Russia.


Borrell noted that the continuation of hostilities in Ukraine brings it closer to being accepted into the European Union.

The more destruction Ukraine undergoes, the higher its chances of joining the EU

- considers the diplomat.

Shortly before this, French President Emmanuel Macron said that the structure of European security should also take into account the interests and concerns of Russia. He believes that in order to maintain a balance, one should think not only about NATO allies. In the opinion of the French leader, security guarantees for the Russian Federation should also be taken into account.
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  1. Fizik13
    Fizik13 6 December 2022 09: 19
    +16
    The more destruction Ukraine undergoes, the higher its chances of joining the EU

    Is Hans Christian Andersen by chance not related to Borrell?
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 6 December 2022 09: 25
      +9
      Quote from Fizik13
      Is Hans Christian Andersen by chance not related to Borrell?

      It looks like they are all "relatives" there and have been for a long time. request
      1. ARIONkrsk
        ARIONkrsk 6 December 2022 09: 44
        +6
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        Quote from Fizik13
        Is Hans Christian Andersen by chance not related to Borrell?

        It looks like they are all "relatives" there and have been for a long time. request

        By ward and disease.
      2. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 6 December 2022 10: 47
        +3
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        Quote from Fizik13
        Is Hans Christian Andersen by chance not related to Borrell?

        It looks like they are all "relatives" there and have been for a long time. request

        This is a sect of believers that out of four puzzles with the letters "F", "O", "P", "A", they will still be able to add the word "SWEET".
        At the same time, they are confident that they are absolutely not limited in time to fulfill their plans. No.
        1. Essex62
          Essex62 6 December 2022 14: 50
          0
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          Quote from Fizik13
          Is Hans Christian Andersen by chance not related to Borrell?

          It looks like they are all "relatives" there and have been for a long time. request

          This is a sect of believers that out of four puzzles with the letters "F", "O", "P", "A", they will still be able to add the word "SWEET".
          At the same time, they are confident that they are absolutely not limited in time to fulfill their plans. No.

          Here in time they are, once again, not limited. What can prevent them from putting together the puzzle?
          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 6 December 2022 18: 33
            0
            Quote: Essex62
            Here in time they are, once again, not limited. What can prevent them from putting together the puzzle?

            Like what? An economy that cannot be competitive with high energy prices, falling production, the transfer of industrial enterprises, rising unemployment, falling purchasing power and the standard of living of the population. Considering that even in fat, well-fed years, the EU countries had different incomes, those who mainly lived on subsidies will be deprived of this support and, sitting on a starvation ration, will make claims against the countries that were the locomotives of the European economy, which will not have time "suction cups" because they themselves will barely make ends meet. In the European Union, moods were already hovering over the restoration of the subjectivity and sovereignty of some of its member countries, and now these sentiments will only intensify, which threatens to disintegrate the EU. All alliances are temporary. If they hadn’t followed the mattresses that gave them this “four-letter puzzle”, everything would have been tip-top for a few more decades, but alas, the game dragged on, and the excitement was a worthless ally. They planned to put the puzzles together in three, maximum 6 months, in the hope that the Russian economy would not stand up and the hungry people would sweep away power, after which they, together with mattresses, would begin to develop Russian assets, but did not grow together. The Russian economy has survived, but their economy is limping on all four hooves and there is an understanding that it can die faster than they expected. So the word "candy" they will not collect. hi
            1. Essex62
              Essex62 6 December 2022 18: 53
              0
              I will reveal a terrible secret to you - neither in the EU, nor in Russia, no matter what everyday problems, the authorities, from the bottom, will not be demolished. All attempts to set at least minimal economic requirements are extinguished there harshly, if necessary, cruelly. We do not have this and will not have it. As long as the children do not eat cake, they will endure it. And this, in the presence of hydrocarbons, is impossible, in principle. An intra-oligarchic coup is possible, but this, you understand, does not give the People anything besides the smut.
              So that they have a puzzle. In geyropa, national governments are nominally governments. Everything is decided by a bunch of chiefs and passes commands to the congress and the database, and from there, along the chain, to the EU.
              If we, in the near future, do not bring the escaped reservists back to the country, do not put a million under arms and do not start, finally "for real", they will not have a single puzzle yet. hi
              1. Nyrobsky
                Nyrobsky 6 December 2022 23: 20
                +3
                Quote: Essex62
                An intra-oligarchic coup is possible, but this, you understand, does not give the People anything besides a smut.
                So that they have a puzzle. In geyropa, national governments are nominally governments. Everything is decided by a bunch of chiefs and passes commands to the congress and the database, and from there, along the chain, to the EU.
                I agree. However, the USSR also collapsed not as a result of popular unrest, but as a result of the destructive activities of the "elite" that went to break the single economic space in the name of getting rid of control from the Center, obtaining personal fiefdoms and unlimited power in their national apartments.
                In Europe, the catalyst for unrest and the initiator of the collapse will probably not be the people, but big business, which will be the most affected in these political games. hi
                1. Essex62
                  Essex62 7 December 2022 01: 03
                  0
                  Our world was isolated, all processes matured, initially, inside. It was then that the Masons joined in, when the internal contra-buzu was shaken by sabotage. Their world is stable, because it is global and the base behind the puddle is quite stable. Although it is based on the nominal state of the United States, doesn't really depend on him. For the federal institutions that control finances and the power bloc are not connected by any "democracy". The superstructure drives as it wants. And geyropa is just a bargaining chip, if it freezes and dies of starvation or a get-together, they won’t itch there. These guys have not been interested in business and making money, in its purest form, for a long time. As the Union disappeared, the need disappeared. They manage any process through the printing press and rush against the dollar, no one has the desire or the opportunity. In fact, the global financial system is a huge soap bubble, minimally connected with the life of the planet. Well, why should these Olympians think about the production and needs of the population, even if the same USA, if they have absolute power? hi
      3. skeptic
        skeptic 6 December 2022 11: 26
        0
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        The more destruction Ukraine undergoes, the higher its chances of joining the EU

        - considers the diplomat.

        And this explains the "passionate love" ukrov destroy infrastructure. They hope to reconstruct the whole country at the expense of Russia. This is where the related features of the Euroskakuas are manifested.
    2. Silver99
      Silver99 6 December 2022 09: 38
      +6
      Only moral can not take into account the interests of Russia's security, are they immortal all these talkers? Spreading rot on a Power with nuclear weapons that is guaranteed to destroy them several times is not reasonable.
      1. avg
        avg 6 December 2022 11: 01
        +2
        As long as we, after them, repeat the thesis about the impossibility of using nuclear weapons like a mantra, they will become more and more grumpy.
        1. SKVichyakow
          SKVichyakow 6 December 2022 13: 47
          0
          Quote: avg
          As long as we, after them, repeat the thesis about the impossibility of using nuclear weapons like a mantra, they will become more and more grumpy.

          There was simply no need to say that: we will not strike at cities and towns; it was not necessary to say that we will not use nuclear weapons, ... because of this, we have what we have. THEY have understood us and are using us against us. They hide only in cities, threatening to use a dirty nuclear bomb against us. There will be no answer, what to be afraid of. We learned how to tie our own hands before a fight.
      2. Guran33 Sergey
        Guran33 Sergey 6 December 2022 12: 17
        0
        Unfortunately, this is a myth of the current amount of special ammunition not enough to destroy the whole world, it was the Soviet Union that could destroy civilization on the planet simply by blowing up everything at storage and basing sites, the State Department, realizing the realities, removed this possibility by radically reducing warheads and carriers by treaties on the limitation of nuclear weapons, now if the Americans civilization will not support us, it will be preserved, it will roll back to the XNUMXth century, but the United States will become an uninhabited territory
    3. Trapp1st
      Trapp1st 6 December 2022 09: 57
      +1
      The more destruction Ukraine undergoes, the higher its chances of joining the EU
      We will help Ukraine quickly enter the EU, we will bring democracy))
    4. 41 REGION
      41 REGION 6 December 2022 10: 13
      +1
      Quote from Fizik13
      The more destruction Ukraine undergoes, the higher its chances of joining the EU

      Of course they will accept that Europe would also reach the bottom, the penguins will applaud
  2. Vend
    Vend 6 December 2022 09: 19
    +8
    Original laughing That is, he openly announced that Ukraine must be completely destroyed, divided, and then some parts will be part of the EU states laughing
    1. seregatara1969
      seregatara1969 6 December 2022 09: 52
      +3
      The division of Ukraine is much more important than the security of Russia!
      1. Vend
        Vend 6 December 2022 10: 08
        +2
        Quote: seregatara1969
        The division of Ukraine is much more important than the security of Russia!

        And then laughing Stealing and sharing is the favorite pastime of the West. That's just during the division begins another European war for another European inheritance laughing
    2. Azim77
      Azim77 6 December 2022 10: 10
      +6
      Quote: Wend
      Original

      A wise uncle, after all, said such a truth: "To get into the morgue, you have to be dead!"
  3. Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
    Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov 6 December 2022 09: 20
    +1
    There is a more important topic than discussing security guarantees for Russia. Before raising this issue, a plan should be developed on how to guarantee the security of Ukraine

    ***
    - Without the security of Russia, the security of Ukraine is impossible ...
    ***
    1. Ulan.1812
      Ulan.1812 6 December 2022 11: 04
      +1
      Quote: Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
      There is a more important topic than discussing security guarantees for Russia. Before raising this issue, a plan should be developed on how to guarantee the security of Ukraine

      ***
      - Without the security of Russia, the security of Ukraine is impossible ...
      ***

      On the whole, the security of Europe is impossible.
      I don’t know who you need to be in order not to understand such a simple truth.
      Borrell is as stupid as the whole gang-watering can.
      There is nothing to be surprised at. The United States has been engaged in negative selection among European politicians for a long time.
      Here is the result. Narcissistic id... you are megalomaniac.
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 6 December 2022 09: 22
    +3
    There is a more important topic than discussing security guarantees for Russia.
    And of course this is Ukraine. And the grandfather from the EU completely went crazy on the basis of Russophobia - nothing but Ukraine, everything is an enemy for Ukraine and Russia. And then not only no logic at all, but also common sense
    The more destruction Ukraine undergoes, the higher its chances of joining the EU
    Does this mean that in order to enter the EU, it is necessary to unleash a war, destroy your economy and infrastructure, stand on the European porch with your hand outstretched? As I understand it, Borrell, using the example of Ukraine, gives advice to Moldova and Georgia for the future? Europe has spawned complete idiots, but it’s not clear how it will get out later.
  5. Fisherman
    Fisherman 6 December 2022 09: 23
    +1
    Without snotty now let's figure it out. Russia will now ensure its own security! Only you will not like it very much, but it's too late, we don't care.
  6. Uprun
    Uprun 6 December 2022 09: 24
    0
    Campaign Borelka sentenced the outskirts and its inhabitants, they will take the lands ....
  7. Leader_Barmaleev
    Leader_Barmaleev 6 December 2022 09: 25
    +3
    Ukraine will certainly join the European Union, there is not the slightest doubt about that. True, she will enter into this go ... sorry, education is exclusively in parts - in the form of territories cut by Romania, Hungary, Slovakia and Poland. By the way, these countries will make a good gift to Russia - having grabbed the territory, the European Union will no longer be able to open a hail about the illegal annexation of territories by Russia and the principle "you are not panimaitiiii, it's differenteeee" will no longer work here. So the fantasies of Josep (God, well, imechko) are not as groundless as they might seem at first glance. But Germany has territorial issues with Poland - how will they solve them in the light of new circumstances?
    1. Zagrebun
      Zagrebun 6 December 2022 09: 37
      +1
      Holy innocence. The principle "this is different" is elevated to the absolute in the West. Even if they start eating children officially, it will be "you don't understand, it's different, it's humane and democratic."
    2. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 6 December 2022 11: 38
      -1
      Leader Barmaleev, I agree with you and add on my own: for separate regional centers and farms, Ukraine can easily enter the EU. But only those units that will not be occupied by the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and selected by Poland, Hungary and others who wish. And here it is - "the age-old dream of the Ukrainian people" - they (what is left) - ,, independent ,, and in Europe.
  8. rocket757
    rocket757 6 December 2022 09: 27
    +1
    Borrell: There is a more important topic than the discussion of security guarantees for Russia
    empty space in empty space...not interesting.
    1. Cube123
      Cube123 6 December 2022 11: 07
      +2
      Quote: rocket757
      empty space in empty space...not interesting.

      Don't tell. He would dig deeper on the topic of corruption and conflicts of interest. A lot of interesting things would come up. Information needed, Hackers Awww....
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 6 December 2022 11: 29
        0
        If you dig deep, you will always find something.
        The question is how useful it will be, we are interested and how it can be used?
        1. Cube123
          Cube123 6 December 2022 12: 07
          +1
          And you imagine a situation when any word spoken by a European official against Russia will cost him his "familiar" place and career. And you will understand how useful it can be. An example of Merkel's "changing shoes in the air" after the scandal with her phone will help you.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 6 December 2022 12: 40
            0
            At the moment, any statement against Russia does not threaten them with anything ... no matter what "dirty laundry" is pulled out ... and what is now considered "dirty" ???
            But a statement in favor of Russia ... even holey socks will become a reason not to let go and level ... everything is simple, the way it is.
            1. Cube123
              Cube123 6 December 2022 12: 54
              0
              Quote: rocket757
              At the moment, any statement against Russia does not threaten them with anything ... no matter what "dirty laundry" is pulled out ...

              I agree, but this is only because the situation is running. Decades of impunity do not go unnoticed. But you have to start somewhere. Here the Americans clearly use examples from textbooks on dog training in their relations with Europe. He did something useful for the USA - here's a "tasty" for you, if you didn't do it - you'll get hurt with a whip. Therefore, the attitude towards the United States is appropriate.

              And in relation to Borrell - the stigma is clearly in the cannon. In 2017, he was fined 30 euros for insider trading in shares of a company of which he was a member of the board of directors.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 6 December 2022 13: 07
                +1
                Quote: Cube123
                Here the Americans clearly use in relations with Europe

                They built for a long time, accustomed, lured and clamped when necessary. In the geyropa, their clients, at the moment we have nothing to do there, especially.
                1. Cube123
                  Cube123 6 December 2022 13: 23
                  +1
                  And here is a clear rule - if you do not want to manage, then someone else will do it for you. I will not give a vulgar example with my wife wink

                  The only question is whether we need Europe in the long term. And to raise your nose to the top and say "fuck you ..." - this is the simplest, but also the most inefficient solution.
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 6 December 2022 13: 30
                    +1
                    Schaub to do it effectively, you need to have / educate / train those who can do it !!!
                    Alas, SERVICES ARE PROVIDED everywhere in our country ... and what should be expected from those who have picked up services, and grandmothers and positions of ancestors will ensure career growth ???
                    A generation of cheap but expensive managers and other losers ... they will do it, but what and for whom ???
  9. Arkady007
    Arkady007 6 December 2022 09: 37
    +1
    The more destruction in Ukraine, the less chance that someone will pick it up.
    It's dark, but it's a fact.
    They will only help to disassemble it into pieces and there will be many who want to.
  10. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 6 December 2022 09: 39
    +1
    Josep is disingenuous, but what can he do? We are already deciding our December proposals on European security. One of the points that says no country in Eastern Europe will no longer be accepted into NATO. These are Ukraine, Moldova and Georgia. , let's move on to the next. In our proposal, the question of the security of Ukraine was not raised. So you can bleat as much as you like. About Ukraine, this is an empty phrase, from NATO. Makoron blurted out about European security, but he sees European security only for NATO. also not an option for us.
  11. Amateur
    Amateur 6 December 2022 09: 44
    0
    And this is a borrel - who is he? Who does he represent? A group of bureaucrats from Brussels that has appointed itself, reports to itself and behaves like a gang of racketeers - "protectors" * who rob ̶l̶a̶r̶b̶k̶i̶ of the EU countries. The fate of such gangs is known - sooner or later they will be "played in the box." The only question is timing.
    ps * True, they also have a "godfather" in Washington.
  12. Vladimir80
    Vladimir80 6 December 2022 09: 55
    +1
    Unfortunately, so far everything that Borel says is being carried out in practice ... unlike the forecasts of our liars ("experts", "political scientists" and just talking heads).
    We need to understand that we evaluate their actions from "our own belfry", i.e. we cannot believe that Europeans are ready for inconvenience (small inflation) for the sake of people alien to them (okraintsy). But the Europeans (the United States behind them) have a different goal - to destroy Russia, either by our hands or by the hands of the Ukrainians, using their endless resources in terms of dollars and euros (which can be "printed" in any quantity, as long as you can buy them around the world for goods and resources).
    They will easily survive inflation, compensating for these costs by issuing money. There is no real winter in Europe, they will buy additional resources through Turkey and India. And we and our elite will continue to be surprised: "but what about the laws of the market economy that YOU taught us?".
    1. man
      man 6 December 2022 12: 11
      +2
      the Europeans (the United States behind them) have a different goal - to destroy Russia, either with our hands or with the hands of the Ukrainians
      something, but in terms of self-destruction, we are ahead of the rest and we will not give the palm to anyone in this matter am
  13. Prisoner
    Prisoner 6 December 2022 10: 02
    +2
    This fool is even worse than Bidon. What will not blurt out everything past the cash register.
    1. man
      man 6 December 2022 12: 18
      +1
      This fool is even worse than Bidon. What will not blurt out everything past the cash register.
      This frog eater is not a fool at all, but our most fierce smart enemy! I don't understand why he hates us so much.
      1. Cube123
        Cube123 6 December 2022 12: 30
        +1
        Quote: mann
        I don't understand why he hates us so much.

        "JOSEP BORREL: RUSSIA'S ENEMY FLOATING IN HISTORY"
        https://tsargrad.tv/articles/zhozep-borrel-nedrug-rossii-plavajushhij-v-istorii_207490?ysclid=lbc0i8nqa5565113764
        1. man
          man 6 December 2022 23: 46
          +1
          "JOSEP BORREL: RUSSIA'S ENEMY FLOATING IN HISTORY"
          Thought he was French. Thank you!
  14. Comandor777
    Comandor777 6 December 2022 10: 15
    0
    Let them think about guarantees in their offices, while we create them ourselves in the field. And when they finally come up with, we will already be approaching Brussels.
    1. Essex62
      Essex62 6 December 2022 15: 03
      -1
      Quote: Comandor777
      Let them think about guarantees in their offices, while we create them ourselves in the field. And when they finally come up with, we will already be approaching Brussels.

      While there is movement, with half a million reservists, in the opposite direction. Who will take Brussels? 40+ hard workers in the country are not very many and there are fewer of them.
  15. Deon59
    Deon59 6 December 2022 10: 18
    -3
    The security of Russia is a thing of the past. The states, with the help of the Ukrainians, showed the helplessness and harmlessness of our government. All the shortcomings of the air defense system and the Gerasimov doctrine came out. Parades and window dressing will not help defend the Motherland.
  16. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 6 December 2022 10: 53
    +3
    And only after the issue is resolved, one can think about providing guarantees to Russia.

    Yes, yes, yes, we remember: retreat, repent, surrender nuclear weapons... sad
  17. Rybkin
    Rybkin 6 December 2022 10: 59
    -1
    Borrell said that the more destruction Ukraine undergoes, the higher its chances of joining the EU .... - That is, according to his logic, the more insignificant Ukraine becomes, the fewer Ukrainians survive, the more chances it has for panties with lace? It seems that independent Europe will be laid in the coffin in all its glory.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 6 December 2022 11: 09
      -1
      Quote: Rybkin
      Borrell said that the more destruction Ukraine undergoes, the higher its chances of joining the EU....

      Barrel is right about this. Everything that remains of Ukraine can be accepted into the EU, because the territories annexed by Poland, Hungary, Slovakia and Romania are already the European Union. Only these territories are very little exposed to destruction.
  18. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 6 December 2022 11: 05
    -2
    Before raising this issue, a plan should be developed on how to guarantee the security of Ukraine.

    When the Nazis started the war, you are a Catalan and all your Caudle, they didn’t think about it, but now they woke up. When Hitler captured Czechoslovakia, no one in Europe thought that in two years you would suck Hitler's boobs, moreover, one, but all together ..
  19. APASUS
    APASUS 6 December 2022 11: 26
    -1
    There is a more important topic than discussing security guarantees for Russia. Before raising this issue, a plan should be developed on how to guarantee the security of Ukraine.

    Famous European casuistry: How to guarantee the security of Ukraine, at the expense of the security of Russia?
  20. iouris
    iouris 6 December 2022 12: 26
    +1
    What are the "safety guarantees"? Security guarantees are either won or bought (at an unacceptable price).
  21. Cycle boss
    Cycle boss 7 December 2022 08: 05
    0
    I understand that the smaller the population of Ukraine, the greater the likelihood of entry. That is, if it doesn’t happen at all, then they are ready to accept it even tomorrow?