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In the US State Department: There are fewer and fewer reasons not to provide Ukraine with aircraft and tanks

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In the US State Department: There are fewer and fewer reasons not to provide Ukraine with aircraft and tanks

Over the past ten months, the interoperability of the armed forces of Ukraine and NATO has grown significantly. This was stated by Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Robin (Robbie) Dunnigan.


We can assume that this statement of the representative of the State Department is based on an analysis of the experience of a special military operation. As you know, NATO has long been participating in it on the side of Kyiv, providing the Armed Forces of Ukraine with ammunition, weapons, military equipment, training Ukrainian soldiers on the territory of the countries participating in the North Atlantic Alliance, transferring intelligence data, helping in planning operations.

A lot has happened that strengthens Ukraine's capabilities in terms of interoperability with NATO: equipment, training, systems used

- said the representative of the US State Department.

Dunnigan also noted that based on the above arguments, there are fewer and fewer reasons not to provide Ukraine with aircraft and Tanks. That is, in the foreseeable future, Washington still plans to transfer modern military equipment to the Kyiv regime, according to the representative of the State Department.

According to Dunnigan, the US is implementing the "open door" policy of the North Atlantic Alliance. Ukraine in this case is no exception. Thus, despite the fact that one of the immediate reasons for the special operation was Ukraine's refusal of a neutral status and its desire to join NATO, the United States remains focused on integrating the Kyiv regime into the alliance system.

Back in October 2022, it was reported that the Armed Forces of Ukraine would be switching to the NATO LOGFAS automated logistics system. The representatives of the Kyiv regime themselves have repeatedly stated that Ukraine has actually “joined NATO”.

Recall that recently a batch of American Abrams tanks was delivered from the United States to the Polish port of Gdynia, which, as stated, will be part of the fleet of military equipment of the American contingent in Poland.
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  1. evgen1221
    evgen1221 6 December 2022 08: 27
    +11
    Of course, there are fewer reasons, the loss is very painful for the reputation of the West as a whole and will affect all those involved individually, and some will go to jail, not to mention global losses.
    1. Machito
      Machito 6 December 2022 08: 40
      0
      So far, basically, NATO is selling old Soviet equipment for scrap. But it is also not infinite. There is also a lot of old rubbish in NAT: there is something that needs to be disposed of.
      1. Diana Ilyina
        Diana Ilyina 6 December 2022 09: 23
        +2
        Well, only if some kind of junk. It is unlikely that the Amerzos will go to the transfer of Abrams or F-15,16. Firstly, these mastodons will stupidly get stuck in the black soil. And secondly, reputational losses, the risk is too great.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 6 December 2022 11: 23
          +8
          "And secondly, reputational losses, the risk is too great" ///
          ---
          F-16s have been fighting for 30 years. An obsolete strike fighter. They were shot down dozens of times, and they shot down the enemy dozens of times. There can no longer be any threat to reputation.
          There are thousands of them in service and storage. And the plant is still running.
        2. orionvitt
          orionvitt 6 December 2022 11: 44
          +2
          Quote: Diana Ilyina
          It is unlikely that the Amerzos will go to the transfer of Abrams or F-15,16.

          It's not about what they put in, but how much. You might think that NATO technology is not killed. The old Soviet one, which was in service with Ukraine, was no worse. But until now, in many minds, there is a deep false belief that the West is a branch of heaven on earth and that NATO weapons are the best.
      2. Fisherman
        Fisherman 6 December 2022 09: 27
        -11
        The Yankees don’t leave the Abrams radioactive plates anywhere and dispose of them themselves ... there is a suspicion that any enemy of the United States will analyze the Abrams armor and its radiation effects on the crew - so all the tankers will scatter from NATO.
        1. evgen1221
          evgen1221 6 December 2022 09: 43
          +3
          That's just everyone who wanted abrams trophied and amazingly silent. Radiation will wave there when it breaks through, but this is a small problem for the crew after such an outcome for the tank
        2. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 6 December 2022 11: 20
          +3
          Dozens of downed Amrams remained in Iraq. They were then finished off from the air, but no one took out the plug-in uranium armor plates. They are not radioactive at all. But when it hits them, uranium dust is separated. It causes cancer and is carcinogenic.
          1. Fisherman
            Fisherman 6 December 2022 13: 02
            -1
            they took everything out ... where did you get that the Yankees left tanks there? The Yankees took Iraq and quietly disposed of everything. When was the last time you were in Baghdad?
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 6 December 2022 13: 13
              +2
              The "cemetery" of the Abrams has remained in Iraq since 2003. Until now.
              Even for repairs, the Americans were too lazy to load them on ships and take them out. Expensive ... They were finally taken out of action and abandoned.
              Serviceable ones were handed over to the Iraqi army. Some were captured by ISIS, then repulsed or destroyed in Syria.
              1. Fisherman
                Fisherman 6 December 2022 21: 31
                -2
                at lunch I called up with Baghdad ... we laughed together about the supposedly "trophy" Abrams from the Iraqis :)
          2. grandson of Perun
            grandson of Perun 6 December 2022 14: 36
            +2
            no one took out the plug-in uranium armor plates. They are not radioactive at all.
            Uranium has NO stable isotopes. They are all radioactive to varying degrees.
            In addition, uranium, like all heavy metals, is poisonous and accumulates in the body.
            And finally, wherever they fought with depleted uranium, after that there was an increase in oncology among the population.
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 6 December 2022 15: 29
              +2
              I wrote that. drinks
              My text: "But when it gets into them, uranium dust is separated. It causes cancer, it is carcinogenic."
      3. SKVichyakow
        SKVichyakow 6 December 2022 13: 51
        +1
        Quote: Bearded
        So far, basically, NATO is selling old Soviet equipment for scrap. But it is also not infinite. There is also a lot of old rubbish in NAT: there is something that needs to be disposed of.

        This was one of the tasks solved by the United States. When the equipment runs out, it will be sold to Europe. MONEY. THEY "stick out" in all the tasks they set.
    2. Quote Lavrov
      Quote Lavrov 6 December 2022 08: 49
      +10
      Come on!!! And surely not dozens of red lines voiced and crushed into dust as a result for decision-making centers are the reason for this? Or what we leave to the enemy (temporarily) the territory of our country?
      But the reason, of course, is the reputation of the poor west, yeah ... who owns almost all the media and will create a reputation for himself that he only wishes ....

      When we promise and don't do it - this is the reason when we talk about negotiations every hour - this is the reason when the entire military-political leadership of Ukraine is alive - the reason when you have to shoot down enemy UAVs in Ryazan near Moscow - the reason ....
      1. Diana Ilyina
        Diana Ilyina 6 December 2022 09: 26
        0
        Explain, where does the media and reputation? Those who buy American. weapons, information about it is clearly not received from the media.
        1. Quote Lavrov
          Quote Lavrov 6 December 2022 09: 42
          +8
          Take a closer look at the original post I was replying to:
          - Despite the fact that the West does not have any objective reputation. His whole reputation is a product of the results of the economy in terms of PR in his own media.

          Now you:
          - all these stories about what a bad weapon the West has, that it will end tomorrow, that the poor farmers of the Netherlands are already ready to start a strike for friendship with Russia, this is such nonsense .... that it seems as if I am reading newspapers from the period of the First World War.
          The West only puts money and its security at the forefront. Therefore, at first the junk and fuses, plus, it checks our reaction to this - there is no reaction, except for the next words about the red lines - 777 arrive, again no - Hymars, again no - Harpoons and further down the list ....
          You can be sure that the further the situation similar to the current one develops, the more modern the weapons will be, the more cynical the provocations and terrorist attacks against us. For the West, these are not supplies to Ukraine, these are supplies to the war against Russia, for which they do not feel sorry for anything.
          1. YOUR
            YOUR 6 December 2022 09: 55
            0
            A Ukrainian artilleryman from the crew of Gvozdika on a traditional surzhik complains about imported shells for her from the Czech Republic, Poland, etc. He says that the self-propelled guns are good and accurate, but the ammunition from behind the hillock does not match the Soviet ones. True, he did not add who makes the shells to match, otherwise Radio Liberty would not have shown. Interesting opinion and information


            https://ok.ru/video/4162000259712
          2. Ivan Ivanov
            Ivan Ivanov 6 December 2022 10: 07
            -1
            With such a weight category of the enemy, real allies are needed, and not "benevolent fans", in this direction all the efforts of the Foreign Ministry and politicians are needed.
    3. Fizik13
      Fizik13 6 December 2022 09: 14
      +2
      Quote: evgen1221
      Of course, there are fewer reasons, losing is very painful for the reputation of the West

      They survived Iraq, they survived Afghanistan and they will survive Ukraine.
    4. Trapp1st
      Trapp1st 6 December 2022 10: 03
      0
      Of course, there are fewer reasons, the loss is very painful for the reputation of the West as a whole
      It was a matter of time, how quickly they would understand what the top of modern Russia really is, and there is certainly no question of any defeat of the West)
  2. Two
    Two 6 December 2022 08: 29
    +4
    hi Delivery will start soon. But the "Abrams" are unlikely to go in a stream. They will collect by the bottom of the barrel what went under the write-off. Europe, UK, etc...
    1. seregatara1969
      seregatara1969 6 December 2022 08: 34
      -6
      They will not be dishonored and will not send tanks! This is a blow to the image of their military complex when the abrams start to burn beautifully and quickly
    2. YOUR
      YOUR 6 December 2022 09: 58
      -2
      Judging by the fact that they carried out modernization on the Hymers transferred to Ukraine so that they could not shoot at the territory of Russia, I do not think that they will transfer the Abrams and their aircraft.
      In the United States, all such transactions are controlled by Congress, and strictly controlled. All weapons, equipment and ammunition go to / ea Ukraine exclusively within the allocated money.
      1. Quote Lavrov
        Quote Lavrov 6 December 2022 10: 09
        -2
        1. An article in a newspaper should not be regarded as a fact that took place in reality.
        2. A UAVs, maritime UAVs, anti-ship missiles,
        bartering ammunition, communication systems, counter-battery combat, etc. - is everything also not capable of fighting against us? And this is only the first, most obvious list - and all this will grow. And it will not be up to the permission of Congress. On the contrary, they will vehemently support it, since this is funding for their sponsors - the owners of the military-industrial complex. (if you are talking about the current situation with the adoption of the budget, then don’t worry too much either - this is a tool of one party to get more preferences from the other. When they were on the tram, they sat like that for more than one month in the budget crisis. They will agree and quickly then approve everything).
        1. Ka-52
          Ka-52 6 December 2022 10: 54
          0
          is everything also not capable of fighting against us?

          I don't quite understand your whining. Do you dream of fighting an unarmed enemy? Well, it's not real. In any case, an enemy of such a level as we have now will be armed. It doesn't matter anymore whether these weapons are American, British, German or Soviet - just when planning a strategy in general and tactical operations in particular, this factor must be taken into account. And you - a bomb hit a military airfield - all the pants of the couch experts turned yellow, oh, what a tragedy. Like it's nonsense for a war. In WW2, the British smashed half of London to pieces, and in our country the Germans reached Moscow, but I never heard whining about the "impotence of Stalin's power"
          1. Quote Lavrov
            Quote Lavrov 6 December 2022 11: 07
            -1
            For what other war??? And you don’t want to get an article of the Code of Administrative Offenses for such words ???
            There is no war - there is only a special military operation, within the framework of which we will denazify and demilitarize Ukraine! And do not confuse anything with Kherson, the airfield of strategists, etc.
            And judging by the question of what to fight with an unarmed enemy, then you, as I understand it, are clearly not a reader of other people's comments, but only a writer of your own)))
            And your labels about who is a sofa expert and who is not, who can reason and comment, and who should be silent, just amuse me. Did you yourself graduate from specialized academies, or are you writing from a trench now, or were you at a meeting at the General Staff in the morning? Well, why then do you allow yourself to decide on a site designed for communication of completely different people to whom and what you can write, discuss, comment on? If you don't like it, don't read it, write your opinion, but don't meddle with instructions to others.
            It is people like you that have survived from the site of adequate commentators who have been here for many years, and it is people like you that I want to regret. Really.
            Although, probably, living in your primitive and simple world is very simple and convenient.
            1. Ka-52
              Ka-52 6 December 2022 11: 32
              +1
              For what other war??? And you don’t want to get an article of the Code of Administrative Offenses for such words ???

              pick me an article of the Code of Administrative Offenses, if not balabol.
              within which we denazify and demilitarize Ukraine!

              Specifically, you do not demilitarize anything.
              Did you yourself graduate from specialized academies, or are you now writing from the trench

              Well, at least I graduated from the VVKU and was in the trench. And you?
              Well, why then do you allow yourself to decide on the site,

              I don't decide at all. It is not in my power to make the idler stop writing his "opinions".
              It was people like you that survived from the site of adequate commentators who have been here for many years

              Only people like you survived. Which arranged at VO just a tribune of their struggle. Turning the public intoweapons surveys in the chat of mourners, whiners and all-weepers. Come on, whine, but at least objectively. But no....
              1. Quote Lavrov
                Quote Lavrov 6 December 2022 12: 29
                -2
                1. Based on the REAL recent practice of law enforcement, to choose from - Article 20.3.3 of the Code of Administrative Offenses of the Russian Federation and Articles 207.3, 280.3 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. Choose.
                2. You really can't read? I wrote somewhere that I am carrying out demilitarization?)) No? Well, so what of it, the goals of the NWO declared by the SUPREME CHIEF KLMANDER somehow change it?
                3. Yes. And a specialized academy. Yes, starting already from the deadline, he captured the Chechen NWO.
                4. This is exactly what you are doing ... why are you labeling someone a la "sofa expert" ... I understand that you are not very good at reading, therefore, I ask again - YOU YOURSELF ARE NOT FROM THE SAME CATEGORY NOW ? Have you just left the meeting at the General Staff, or the settlement of the Security Council? I think no. Therefore, before labeling, you realize that here we are all those couch experts and we judge based on personal experience and knowledge. That the discussion on the site is not a report at a meeting in the Moscow Region, the site was created just for such discussions.
                And to make someone, as you dream, stop writing their "opinions" is your dream. And partly because, I really, sincerely feel sorry for you yourself with such a rudimentary state of awareness of the processes in society and the society itself, in which such Sharikovs consider it possible for themselves to decide for others which opinion can be voiced, and which should not even appear in thoughts .
                5. Turning??? Yes, those people created the name of this site!!! You are here, in fact, a week without a year, and you have already decided on the next label regarding the people who have done much more for the site than you.
                I am sincerely sorry for you who do not understand that awareness of problems is the first step towards solving them, who believe that if you repeat the word "halva" once, it will become sweet in your mouth ... May 9, 45 - the result of working on mistakes. Shootings of traitors, changing the command and control system, the most cruel conclusions on personalities, including political ones, the order "not a step back", the absence of stratification in society, the children of the highest political elite at the front, and so on, and not the dumbest stories about throwing hats on drug addicts, stupid and stupid enemies, etc.
                I sincerely pity both you and the society that is forced to coexist with you and in which, by shutting others up, the Sharikovs take over..

                And I'm sorry for the time spent on this dialogue. You still won't hear or understand anything. But this is your full right. And, probably, I didn’t even write all this to you, but more so that people like you don’t think that there are no people left with a different opinion and point of view besides you.

                Therefore, I propose to end here.
                Best regards hi
                1. Ka-52
                  Ka-52 7 December 2022 11: 25
                  -1
                  article 20.3.3 of the Code of Administrative Offenses of the Russian Federation and articles 207.3, 280.3 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation

                  well, that is, you are not only a balabol, but also a rattling pea laughing
                  there is no offense. If you were a prosecutor at the trial, you would come out spat upon and disgraced laughing
                  I wrote somewhere that I am carrying out demilitarization?)) No?

                  illiterate, the pronoun "we" indicates that you identify yourself with this process. If you said that the Russian army solves these tasks, you would be correct. But you chose to just cling to it.
                  Yes, starting right from the deadline and captured the Chechen NWO

                  unit, year of service, surname of the regiment or brigade commander. None of ours has ever called the Chechen war either NVO, or WHO, or something else.
                  This is exactly what you are doing ... why are you labeling someone a la "couch expert" ... I understand that you are not very good at reading,

                  incomprehensible demagogy. It doesn't even make sense to
                  Yes, those people created the name of this site!!!

                  and what are you hiding behind some people? Are you these people? I have been in VO for 5 or 6 years, so what? How can I distinguish myself in front of those who write here with corporal shoulder straps. What kind of nonsense you are talking about, it is not clear why.
                  Executions of traitors, changing the command and control system, the most severe conclusions on personalities,

                  ooh, let's go shamanistic rituals against the "great" Stalin .... not even surprised. That is, you admit that it took 4 years of war, millions of victims on our part, loss in the occupation of the main industrial regions of the country, in order to "work on the mistakes"? And what did your Bolsheviks do before 1941? Why did Stalin the Great, and the Red Army, lose most of the heavy equipment destroyed and abandoned during the retreat in the first six months, and more than 3 million in numerous boilers. military personnel? Not 50 and 150, but >3 people?
                  I'm really sorry for you too

                  have pity on your children, their father is a fool. Although your children already understand this.
                2. your1970
                  your1970 7 December 2022 12: 10
                  +1
                  Quote: Quote Lavrov
                  the most severe conclusions on personalities, including political ones,

                  Before the war, there were about 1500 generals in the spacecraft; about 3 were assigned during the war.
                  Shot - 56 generals throughout the war.
                  Total...
                  If these are "the most severe conclusions" - recourse request ......
                  Zhigarev was sent to the rear away from the front in the Far East for not taking measures to deliver 702 aircraft to the front in the fall of 1941.

                  Quote: Quote Lavrov
                  dumbest stories about throwing hats on drug addicts, stupid and stupid enemies, etc.
                  look ANY Soviet film about the war released before the 1960s.
                  Quote: Quote Lavrov
                  lack of stratification in society,
                  Oh yeah!!!!! "Tashkent Front" - no, haven't you heard?
                  "I meet Seryozhka Fomin
                  And he is a Hero of the Soviet Union "(c) BB- have you heard of it?
                  16 (!!!!) cases of banditry in Leningrad and the region in 000 - with "the destruction of up to 1941 people from the bandit groups during clashes"?
                  What kind of split is this...
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      1. vitvit123
        vitvit123 6 December 2022 09: 30
        -1
        Sorry I don't have much to ask...
        And the fact that officials said that the retreat from near Kyiv must be understood as a gesture of goodwill ... how are we to understand this? Otherwise, I’m completely confused, believe you or officials ...

        As for the kitchen fighters ... do you think that only the position of the mind gives? After years of my life, I am sure that - no! And among the kitchen there are enough people smarter than those in power .. I'm not saying that the government is rotten with corruption, nepotism and vices ... what are you talking about ... well, etc. on other points ..
        According to the situation as a whole, probably already the most optimist realized that she did not go according to plan! Do you understand or disagree? And if you agree , you do not want to see the perpetrators of miscalculations ? And I, as an ordinary citizen, from whom they demand strict discipline and are inclined to blame me at the slightest problem, I would like to see who and how was punished for many who died because of his miscalculations .. I write about myself as a collective image of a citizen ...
        Regarding the airfield .., then I can give an argument: for example, a criminal put a knife to your neck and demands a wallet .. according to your logic, this is a normal situation. the criminal has a knife and he uses it .. everything is fine, this is not an emergency ..
        Well, I don’t want to write a characterization (naturally negative) of your comments, but I hope for your understanding ...
        1. Ka-52
          Ka-52 6 December 2022 10: 01
          0
          Otherwise, I’m completely confused, believe you or officials ...

          don't pretend to be a clown. The departure from Kyiv was not associated with any wills, good or not. Anyone who can think (you might do well at least sometimes too) understood that the withdrawal from Sumy and Chernigov was due to the failure of the original Gerasimov doctrine and the transition to plan "B". It was impossible to hold the bridgehead, since the Gerasimov doctrine was built just for a breakthrough using the efficiency factor, before the start of any mobilization actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Accordingly, the use of a limited grouping was assumed. When the plan failed, it became clear that holding the Kyiv ledge was not possible - the price would be too high. And since you and Ingvar72 were not in too much of a hurry to go to the front (in the rear it is safer to crow "you give war!" from the sofas), and there were still 2 months before mobilization, we had to transfer forces from near Sumy and Chernigov to the Donbass, strengthen the local grouping and set a priority task (minimum task) to clean up the territories of Luhansk and Donetsk regions. It was a forced move. Because putting a few thousand of our fighters in favor of you turbopatrots, with a doubtful chance of holding the ledge, I think was the worst decision.
          1. vitvit123
            vitvit123 6 December 2022 10: 59
            -2
            I didn’t know that they would compare me with Ingvar !!! There are some things you don't know...why did I have to rush to war, do you bother to explain? Were you observed there?
            Are you here or when? Can you work part-time at the circus with parsley? I was told by Russians in black that it was a GESTURE OF GOOD WILL !! And you tell me something else! So I'm asking you, who should I trust? As smart as you or as stupid as officials? I don’t pretend to anything, I’m just asking, are you our smart guy ... wink
            By the way, please show Ingvar what you wrote to us, I think he hasn’t laughed as much as he did at you!
            1. Ka-52
              Ka-52 6 December 2022 11: 11
              +2
              and why I had to rush to war, do not bother to explain?

              because only those who are related to it receive the moral right to judge it, answer and ask someone. And the fools on the sofas, who believe that, they say, they know better where to attack, how and whom to bomb - well, there is nowhere to spit on you across the expanses of Russia. I've answered you, which was facilitated by the withdrawal of troops from the north of Ukraine, but you prefer to grimace, not even trying to comprehend what was said.
              As smart as you or as stupid as officials?

              such a statement was made only once and never again. Because it was the last attempt to put a good face on a bad game. When it became clear to everyone that the first stage had failed, they tried to grasp at straws during the negotiations in Istanbul. If there were negotiations, there would not have been any - all the same, the troops from Gostomel, Bucha and others would have left. The further you continue to play the fool - you would think about it. After all, everything lies on the surface
              1. vitvit123
                vitvit123 6 December 2022 11: 31
                0
                And how do you know that I have nothing to do with the war? People like this always amaze me! And if I tell you that you are a balabol? If I tell you that I am WBD? Will you believe? And if you believe, then you are a bisabol?

                That is, if officials on TV tell us once, is this nonsense? Maybe you are talking nonsense?
                Reading your epuses, you wonder how you can have such a mental process and not understand it ..
                1. Ka-52
                  Ka-52 6 December 2022 11: 41
                  0
                  And how do you know that I have nothing to do with the war?

                  for someone related to the war, you have too big problems with thinking. So indulge others with your fairy tales
                  That is, if officials on TV tell us once, is this nonsense?

                  are you stuck? Or did you decide to blunt to the last?
                  Reading your epuses, you wonder how you can have such a mental process and not understand it ..

                  well, if you read a book and see a fig, then yes, you can be surprised further.
                  1. vitvit123
                    vitvit123 6 December 2022 12: 20
                    0
                    So the problem is that I read a lot of books, and you don’t often see such nonsense ..
                    Once again I ask, if it turns out that I am a VBD, will you admit that you are a bisabol?
                    1. Ka-52
                      Ka-52 7 December 2022 11: 47
                      -1
                      So the problem is that I read a lot of books, and you don’t often see such nonsense ..

                      fools are always like this - you think your opinion is exclusively correct. What to do.
                      And who says that he is a sage,
                      That one is the stupid one.
                      (© Sebastian Brant)

                      you can read a hundred books, but have a horizon no wider than a hole in a toilet bowl, like yours. Not accepted as an argument

                      Once again I ask, if it turns out that I am a VBD, will you admit that you are a bisabol?

                      you can say whatever you want. That you are a ballerina Volochkova, for example. Yes, and UBD are different. For example, in our company there was a clerk, part-time secretary of the Komsomol and in an emergency (members of the party), he went home with the Order of the Red Star. Never went on a raid and never sat at the outpost. But he made wonderful reports and drew beautiful battle sheets. So I don't need to tell stories. The question is not in this, but in what a person understands. And with this you have oh how trouble
                      1. vitvit123
                        vitvit123 7 December 2022 12: 37
                        -1
                        What if you have trouble understanding? How do you know that you are intelligent?

                        And about VBD, as I understand it, you are talking for yourself! Only people like you described yourself can carry such nonsense and not understand it!!...

                        You just keep getting richer and richer....
                      2. Ka-52
                        Ka-52 7 December 2022 12: 45
                        0
                        in short, all your "arguments" came down to transferring the arrows to the opponent on the basis of the "fool himself" principle. Sad and predictable for the behavior of an ordinary Internet troll.
                      3. vitvit123
                        vitvit123 7 December 2022 18: 06
                        -2
                        What are your arguments? You are not quite adequate and do not understand this ... only bitter laughter is over you - doomed ... grow rich further ...
              2. Hypertension
                Hypertension 6 December 2022 12: 28
                -1
                Quote: Ka-52
                because only those who are related to it receive the moral right to judge it, answer and ask someone.

                There are many people in the country who are related to the NWO. Someone volunteers, someone pays taxes, from which SVO is also carried out. Someone works in the military-industrial complex, someone has a relative or acquaintance "there." And the entire population, one way or another, feels the influence of the NWO and everything connected with it. Therefore, you can judge and ask around. Without looking back at the opinion of the self-styled "authority", who imagined who knows what about himself, and decided to point out - to whom what is possible and what is impossible.
                1. vitvit123
                  vitvit123 6 December 2022 12: 36
                  +1
                  I definitely support your comment! There are no words from such sacred characters ... there has already been some kind of doom lately, such people think that, along with titles and positions, the mind is given in addition, and so I unambiguously formed the opinion that this is not so !!
                  1. Hypertension
                    Hypertension 6 December 2022 13: 09
                    0
                    Quote: vitvit123
                    along with titles and positions, the mind is given in addition

                    "We don't need smart ones. We need faithful ones" (c)
                2. Ka-52
                  Ka-52 7 December 2022 11: 59
                  +1
                  Therefore, you can judge and ask around.

                  paraphrasing "any cook can judge a military leader"? So you explain to me - what can you "judge without having the slightest objective understanding of what is happening at the front? Without knowing either the general strategy of the NWO or the specific tactics of operations on local sectors of the front? Well, yes, you can shout and stomp your feet on the case of events that even you were not given directly, but through the tenth retelling. What is the objectivity of your conclusions? Yes, about zero. Which is often confirmed by the fact that the howling of the sofa audience and the statements of real fighters at the front are sometimes diametrically opposed in meaning.
                  1. Hypertension
                    Hypertension 7 December 2022 13: 33
                    -1
                    Quote: Ka-52
                    Here you explain to me - what can you "judge without having the slightest objective understanding of what is happening at the front?

                    "Not the slightest understanding" is if I lay in a coma for 10 months, but would wake up only today. And so, for all the time of the CBO and hundreds of videos have been viewed, and hundreds of articles have been read, and dozens of experts have been listened to. And most importantly, the conduct of the CBO speaks for itself.
                    Quote: Ka-52
                    Not knowing any general strategy of NWO

                    It is possible that even the General Staff does not know the "general strategy of the NWO". Judging by the fact that the goals of this SVO are not completely clear so far.
                    Quote: Ka-52
                    What often confirms is that the howl of the couch audience and the statements of real fighters at the front are sometimes diametrically opposed in meaning.

                    Different real fighters speak differently. The policy of shutting up the mouths of fighters and military commissars makes itself felt.
                    Quote: Ka-52
                    What is the objectivity of your conclusions? Yes, near zero.

                    The effectiveness of which of my conclusions is close to zero? Some specific ones or all of them? Unsubstantiated characterize my analytical skills or can you give an example?
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                      1. Hypertension
                        Hypertension 8 December 2022 13: 25
                        -1
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        what do the videos give, except for the picture of events in some location?

                        Videos and articles are like pieces of a puzzle or puzzle. By themselves, they provide little objective information, but each of them adds a piece to the big picture.
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        1. 90% - complete nonsense and nonsense (starting from "we want to defeat Nazism" to "everything is lost, the authorities sold us!")
                        2. 10% more or less weighted analytics

                        And why should I believe in your calculation of interest? Maybe you overestimate yourself, and belong to just those 90%? Why are my conclusions close to zero, and yours approaching 90-99%?
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        They determine the strategy based on the goals of the SVO.

                        So there are no specific goals, apparently. Because specific goals leave no room for political maneuver. This is already obvious to everyone, except for the completely fabulous characters who think that smart and responsible managers are sitting at the top. Reality shows that this is not the case at all.
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        For understanding, I will give an example:
                        let's say

                        Let's say you're an empty talker. Because they didn’t give an example about me personally, but they gave me a description.
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        And if you start yelling on social networks about the problems of the Somali battalion,

                        What prevents me from studying information from volunteers, and from the Somali fighter, and from military correspondents, and from the official summary? Then put it all together and get some general idea? Naturally, this representation will not be 100% accurate (even the General Staff is not 100% aware of the situation), but some understanding of the situation for, at least, a discussion on the Internet will be ready. Moreover, if I misunderstand or make a mistake somewhere, then in the course of the discussion you can find out with a more knowledgeable interlocutor.
                      2. Ka-52
                        Ka-52 8 December 2022 14: 05
                        0
                        Videos and articles are like pieces of a puzzle or puzzle.

                        isn't it funny? Now, with the level of school physics behind me, I will start judging quantum physics from videos and articles. I will be laughed at already at the level of the department of any physics and mathematics department. So you have knowledge ... a puzzle ....
                        Why are my conclusions close to zero, and yours approaching 90-99%?

                        maybe because I don’t do stupid things like you and don’t pretend to be an expert analyst of strategic situations request
                        So there are no specific goals, apparently.

                        for what everything? Do you have a direct space connection between Putin and your sofa? I don't know what the president's plans are. And I think no one on this site can know them. I don’t understand how you can squeal about your “knowledge” of the state’s strategy in such a serious situation as the NWO. I can only guess from my observations what might be going on and what is likely to be the cause. And that's only in relation to explicit events.
                        And here you are sculpting a hunchback that your "eyes have opened" lol
                        Let's say you're an empty talker.

                        well, let's say you're a fool ... although we won't let it, but we'll accept it as a fact. Because I gave a hypothetical situation, and did not describe you.
                        Then put it all together and get some general idea?

                        here stupid reviews roam the net, formed by no one knows who on the principle of "more or less understanding". Yes, to hell with you, chatting anything, so you build yourself out as experts who present information as truth.
                        Let me give you an example: here is the recent hysteria of every couch brethren about "the mobilized are undressed, there is nothing, everything must be taken as its own." Experts like you easily carried it across the fields and villages - well, after all, a cool fried topic for all sorts of apologists "everything is gone." But anyone who was in the army, and even more so was in hot spots, knows that when called up, a fighter receives only a minimal set of uniforms. Then he arrives at the training unit for the primary course of study. There he is given a minimum set of equipment for training. And only after arriving at the linear part, he receives a complete set. I went to Afghanistan in 1986. We did not receive any helmets, bulletproof vests, walkie-talkies, night vision devices or anything like that either at the first transfer, or at the first training (combined arms), or at the second training for a reconnaissance sniper, or at the third already in Fergana, where we were adapting and coordinating . We, hedgehogs, got all the junk already in the regiment, in Herat. There they gave me everything that is supposed to be a soldier of the Soviet army according to the staffing table. Then there was no Internet and there were no squeals - oh, the unfortunate conscripts, they are without bulletproof vests, and without helmets and without their mother's boobs, sitting in a bare field.
                      3. Hypertension
                        Hypertension 8 December 2022 15: 05
                        0
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        Now, with the level of school physics behind me, I will start judging quantum physics from videos and articles.

                        Bad example. The art of war is, in principle, more or less intuitive, in contrast to quantum physics. As Sun Tzu used to say: "Managing the many is the same as managing the few. It's about organization."
                        And yes - each video personally helps me to detail the big picture. If this is not the case for you, and the videos are just "hype" and "rate" for you, then these are your problems. Don't judge by yourself, as they say.
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        maybe because I don’t do stupid things like you and don’t pretend to be an expert analyst of strategic situations

                        And I'm not pretending to be an expert analyst. Where was it? Can you give an example, or again blah blah?
                        What are you building? Either a censor who is trying to turn the forum into a kind of elite club where one can speak only on narrow topics, or you want to convey the idea that it is not good for ordinary people to criticize the authorities. In any case, your claims are ridiculous.
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        I can only guess from my observations what might be going on and what is likely to be the cause. And that's only in relation to explicit events.
                        And here you are sculpting a hunchback that your "eyes have opened"

                        So I guess. Well, where did I write that "I know for sure that this is so, otherwise it is like that." Where did I "squeal" about my knowledge? Again, rabid chatter ...
                        The President's plans are unknown to us, but we can judge by their implementation. After all, the GDP has repeatedly repeated that "everything is according to plan." Well, we see how it is "according to plan" ...
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        well, let's say you're a fool ... although we won't let it, but we'll accept it as a fact.

                        We will not accept this as a fact, because it is not so. A fool, and a conscious one, driving himself into the framework, I'm not here.
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        I went to Afghanistan in 1986. No helmets, body armor, walkie-talkies, night vision devices

                        You would still remember the Battle of Kulikovo. You have no understanding that modern wars require a different approach than before. For people like you, a knapsack with kirzachs is the ideal outfit.
                        As for night vision devices - not everyone is given out even on the front end. Otherwise, all these fees for the purchase of drones, first-aid kits, night vision devices, and heatpacks would not have been carried out.
                        Even in training, now, when the training period for the mobilized is very limited in time, it is necessary to train with what the fighter will fight with. So that later there was no retraining period.
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        Then there was no Internet and there were no squeals

                        All evil from the Internet. We must endure and fight with what they give. Listen to the authorities - he knows better.
                        There was no internet then, but there is now. And it is necessary to highlight the problems. It's no joke - on the 10th month of the NWO, the strategic facility in Engels turned out to be unprotected. The mess must be dealt with by all available means.
            2. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 6 December 2022 12: 26
              -3
              Quote: vitvit123
              By the way, please show Ingvar what you wrote to us, I think he hasn’t laughed as much as he did at you!

              It's wrong to laugh at such people! laughing
              PS Now, perhaps, I admit that I was a little mistaken about you.
        2. Quote Lavrov
          Quote Lavrov 6 December 2022 10: 26
          -2
          I thought that there were almost no adequate comments left on VO. Usually you can see a couple - three hat-throwers, whom you want to feel sorry for more than answer them, and even a lot of some new accounts that I have not even seen on the site for all the years ...
          But basically, many of those who made a name for this forum are either silent, or have already left it ... to our great regret.
          1. vitvit123
            vitvit123 6 December 2022 11: 02
            +1
            Yes, many left and among them were decent and smart .. so I am also far from ideal, I was wrong a hundred times ...
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            2. Russian jacket
              Russian jacket 6 December 2022 12: 18
              0
              It's a pity they left. Now rudeness is replaced by an adequate reaction. For me, a rude person simply has no arguments. hi hi
              1. vitvit123
                vitvit123 6 December 2022 12: 32
                +1
                So I agree with you .. sometimes it seems that some deliberately go for provocations .. to be honest, I’m already here myself, probably more for fun than for something smart .... so I kill time and read history , but it's all so empty.
                1. Russian jacket
                  Russian jacket 6 December 2022 12: 39
                  -1
                  Unfortunately, you are right. Same situation. hi
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 6 December 2022 09: 31
        -1
        Quote: Ka-52
        what did the regrouping not please liberda?

        Liberda is in power. When the authorities are more concerned about the delayed semi-poker Friedman than the image of the country under the agreements, then this is obvious.
        1. Ka-52
          Ka-52 6 December 2022 09: 50
          -3
          oooh, as soon as you write the word "liberda", Ingvar72 will immediately jump in. I asked you for another six months not to bother me with your stupid comments. Go there, on Bolotnaya, push your speeches
      3. YOUR
        YOUR 6 December 2022 10: 00
        +3
        Quote: Ka-52
        kitchen fighters always know better how to lead a country and how to wage war

        What fighters do you consider yourself to be? Just interested
        1. Ka-52
          Ka-52 6 December 2022 10: 39
          -1
          I have many opponents - laziness, old age, gluttony, weeds on the lawn, traffic jams, expensive gasoline, baking in the oven that does not work out, a cat yelling at night, echoes of shell shock in the form of headaches in the morning ... yes, it's a long list)) )
    2. Dead duck
      Dead duck 6 December 2022 09: 36
      0
      Consequence of our toothless power
      and what did you want? bang or start a military operation against them?
      They do what they can. No wonder many people remember the return of the 90s. The same mess.
      Techniques minimum. This is only good in relation.
    3. Ivan Ivanov
      Ivan Ivanov 6 December 2022 10: 02
      0
      . And what will the secretary Konoshenkov play on us when this happens

      Konashenkov has nothing to do with it, this is politics.
  4. Ka-52
    Ka-52 6 December 2022 08: 33
    -2
    The arguments are frankly far-fetched. Statements "Ukraine almost joined NATO" are able to level "half-a-piece sex is not sex." But theoretically, nothing prevents the United States from supplying heavy military equipment to Ukraine - after all, they did this for their proxy regime in Iraq. Well, yes, old modifications, without amplifications and upgrades, easily hit by ATGMs, but still tanks. No worse than the T-55 from the Slovaks anyway. Even for the sake of the effect of the all-Ukrainian great victory, it will already be enough.
  5. Neo-9947
    Neo-9947 6 December 2022 08: 33
    +5
    Do I understand correctly that if the Russian Federation does not start "for real", then the NWO will achieve exactly the opposite results than it was planned a year ago?
    1. Russian jacket
      Russian jacket 6 December 2022 08: 41
      +4
      Apparently so. As long as we beat with our fingers instead of a fist, we can break off our fingers.
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 6 December 2022 08: 35
    +3
    there are fewer and fewer reasons not to provide Ukraine with planes and tanks.
    I don’t know how with airplanes (after all, prestige can suffer), but new tanks are easy. And then tactical missiles (so far without nuclear warheads) ... Which gives full grounds for the Russian side to respond more harshly by destroying infrastructure, civilian and military control facilities, railway junctions, etc. no regard for the West. Our caution in choosing targets for strikes can play a cruel joke in the future.
    1. FoBoss_VM
      FoBoss_VM 6 December 2022 08: 47
      0
      Yes, the sinking of the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet gave us every reason. What's the point if the Kremlin eggs are made of plasticine. Imagine what you would do with the side of the conflict if, for example, the Iranians or the Chinese sank their Ford. And ours were wiped off and everything, how many do not write God's dew in their eyes
      1. ZeeD
        ZeeD 6 December 2022 09: 48
        -2
        When eggs are made of plasticine, they do not dare to recognize the territory they are fighting for as part of the country (as an example - Karabakh). They do not start any campaigns under the threat of sanctions, etc.
        Mow? Yes. But eggs are not made of plasticine even once.

        From what the cruiser Moscow went to the bottom is not really clear. I watched the analysis and analyzes of damage in the photo. It does not look like a hit by anti-ship missiles in terms of damage and the nature of the subsequent fire. They compared the ships that received an anti-ship missile hit and Moscow - well, there is no such damage anywhere on the hull. More like a fire and undermining the arsenal or sabotage.

        It is clear that in an information vacuum it is difficult to reliably judge what was real. Maybe really RCC. But according to the available personnel, it is most unlike the anti-ship missiles (and what else could Ukraine sink it with?).
        1. Russian jacket
          Russian jacket 6 December 2022 12: 24
          -2
          Well, about recognition. I think it was a rate hike a la another red line. Kind of scary. Result question. Recognized. Gone. And what about the image of power? Reeled. And constant gestures of goodwill. And requests to trade the same ammonia. Here, either take off the cross or put on shorts. Trade is the same type of NWO, although everyone knows that this is a war. How to combine them? And you're talking about eggs not from plasticine.
  7. Foundling
    Foundling 6 December 2022 08: 35
    +5
    Well, the demilitarization is going well. The main thing here is not to get confused who is demilitarizing whom
  8. rocket757
    rocket757 6 December 2022 08: 43
    +3
    In the US State Department: There are fewer and fewer reasons not to provide Ukraine with aircraft and tanks
    Real, responsible specialists who FOR THE POWER, and not just chat, immediately said, proved that the "strange operation" is br p p strange, from any point of view. They are now asserting that the principle of "hurry up slowly" will result in even more blood for us, like any under-mobilization !!!
    It's just a question ... but the top ones, who decide everything, still DO NOT CLEAR that events are not going the way we need, how we will be ... the question is, what will happen in the end, with the current approach ???
  9. FoBoss_VM
    FoBoss_VM 6 December 2022 08: 44
    +1
    Laughter with laughter, but I'm just sure that they are already training Khokhlyatsky crews for both abrams and f16. And the day will come when they spoil us with a lot of blood
  10. JonnyT
    JonnyT 6 December 2022 08: 49
    -4
    Actually for the sake of this, everything was started.
    The dismantlement of NATO will enter the second phase as soon as Poland enters Ukraine on American tanks.
  11. Comandor777
    Comandor777 6 December 2022 08: 49
    -6
    Once stirred, it means the smell of fried Bandera. Let them transmit, and tanks and planes, we will show the whole world that American equipment also burns and falls like any other. Let's deal double damage to the US hegemony, and accelerate its fall.
  12. Eva Star
    Eva Star 6 December 2022 08: 50
    +1
    NATO supplied small arms, no answer. They put the equipment, the answer is no. They put artillery, there is no answer. NATO blew up gas pipelines and again there is no answer. Now NATO is creating and supplying Ukraine with drones for attacks on Russian territory, three airfields have already been hit. There is still no answer. NATO is simply probing for a reaction. If there is still no answer, then NATO will begin to become even more impudent and further deliveries of missiles, aircraft and tanks will continue. And everything will fly through the territory of Russia. NATO begins shelling Russian territory through Ukraine. Are we going to sit quietly? There are many options for how to answer. Both in military and conventional form. Just an example. We buy a drone with a range of 100 km on Aliexpress. We hang a NATO bomb on him, of which we have a lot now. And we send it across NATO territory, to some oil storage facility. Or option number 2, in connection with the expansion of NATO, to increase the number of deployed nuclear weapons. NATO is a threat and it is our right to defend ourselves. In the international arena, you can say about the wars that the West unleashed against us and the number of civilians killed. And as an extreme option, you can test a nuclear engine, and in fact test a nuclear bomb. And it looks like the West forgot that we have them.
    1. Ka-52
      Ka-52 6 December 2022 09: 06
      -6
      Now NATO is creating and supplying Ukraine with drones for attacks on Russian territory, three airfields have already been hit.

      do not write fierce nonsense. Firstly, the United States does not have kamikaze drones with such a range. Secondly, judging by the mutilated planes of the Tu22, there was an UAV with a warhead of much greater power than the armament of any US strike UAV. Thirdly, the most likely version is that it was a UAV from the times of the USSR - Tu-141. Do you propose to attack the USSR that has sunk into oblivion?
  13. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 6 December 2022 08: 51
    -4
    Yes, one reason: who will pay for it? Abrams in Ukraine are elephants in the Tundra, and American planes are too tender for war.
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 6 December 2022 09: 00
      +2
      Quote: Victor Sergeev
      Yes, one reason: who will pay for it? Abrams in Ukraine are elephants in the Tundra, and American planes are too tender for war.

      Lend-Lease USA
  14. Ghost1
    Ghost1 6 December 2022 08: 56
    0
    Deliveries are a matter of time. Well, they look at what will be delivered, Western planes will be a little expensive for them if you take f16
  15. Ivan Fokin_2
    Ivan Fokin_2 6 December 2022 08: 57
    0
    I don't understand, we want to defeat the whole west by conventional means. Tactical nuclear weapons infrastructure bridges and a tunnel in western Sharovria will solve all problems. Warning to all exceptional in the transfer of arms following you. Everything will end very quickly, though there will be a lot of stench, but it can be endured, but our guys will not be killed.
  16. alexey_444
    alexey_444 6 December 2022 09: 00
    -5
    Yes, when will you put them in the end, how much can you cheat, as with our 300 billion, only threats and promises. No one will put anything, not only is it already other money, 100 billion and more, so super anti-advertising of burning Abrams, leopards and F-16 wreckage.
  17. Gpn27
    Gpn27 6 December 2022 09: 23
    -1
    For Russia, there are fewer and fewer reasons not to use tactical nuclear weapons in terms of logistics, primarily the bridges over which Western weapons are delivered.
  18. lopvlad
    lopvlad 6 December 2022 09: 23
    +1
    There are fewer and fewer reasons not to provide Ukraine with aircraft and tanks


    After all, the main reason was not the peacefulness of the West, they say we won’t supply it, as this will aggravate the conflict, but the fact that the stocks of Soviet tanks and aircraft that NATO pulled to Ukraine and which they knew how to control the Armed Forces of Ukraine were at the limit of exhaustion and therefore will have to supply their tanks and aircraft.
    Everything is by analogy with air defense systems, where at the first stage Ukraine had enough of what Yeltsin left for it during the division of the USSR, then Soviet air defense systems were raked out from all over the world and now they are supplying their Western air defense systems.
  19. engineer74
    engineer74 6 December 2022 09: 26
    +2
    So the "Overton window" began to open: after the missed and, in fact, forgiven, strike on the strategic nuclear forces, all the frames disappeared! sad In Abrams and F-16s, I doubt that they will be fast, but missile weapons, including medium-range ones, will be put under the Christmas tree ...
    IMHO hi
  20. valera75
    valera75 6 December 2022 09: 31
    +3
    Quote: Diana Ilyina
    Well, only if some kind of junk. It is unlikely that the Amerzos will go to the transfer of Abrams or F-15,16. Firstly, these mastodons will stupidly get stuck in the black soil. And secondly, reputational losses, the risk is too great

    They don’t care about their reputation at all, they more than cover the miscalculations with the Crimean bridge and strikes against the strategists and our sunken fleet, against which the slaves of the West, the Ukrainians didn’t even fight at sea, but nailed our entire Black Sea Fleet to the pier with a harpoon. They just have a reputation for everything in order, and if the abrams and f15,16 will nightmare us well, this is only one plus for them.
  21. Dead duck
    Dead duck 6 December 2022 09: 38
    -1
    At the US State Department:
    waiting for the next election (in the US).
    The old man is unlikely to come out for a second term.
  22. Yrec
    Yrec 6 December 2022 09: 43
    0
    It is likely that NATO will begin to transfer the Ukrainian M-60 and Leo-1. It’s hard to say about aircraft, because home airfields with infrastructure for such aircraft are needed, and special personnel are needed. It is unlikely that they will use aircraft from the territory of Poland and Romania. But things will come to tanks, I think.
  23. Trunk
    Trunk 6 December 2022 09: 58
    -3
    Not surprised. Nothing interferes with delivery. Fuel - at least fill up. The war is being fought to the last Russian-speaking. It has long been clear.
  24. APASUS
    APASUS 6 December 2022 11: 31
    0
    Colossal losses in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the elimination of narrow-profile specialists, probably under 70 percent, is such a generous offer from the United States. Where to get pilots, who will sit in the tanks?
    As I understand it, the question is not about this, the question is rather about the tanks and planes going in place with the crews. Or how to cover up the war by talking about help?
  25. solar
    solar 6 December 2022 11: 43
    -3
    There are fewer and fewer reasons not to provide Ukraine with aircraft and tanks

    A direct consequence of attacks on civilian infrastructure. The people, of course, are delighted with how they hit the Khlam, but such a total war against civilian infrastructure is very poorly perceived by the layman in the West. This was clear a couple of months ago, when strikes on the energy system began.
    Moreover, it was not possible to bring the power system out of action.
    1. Ivan Fokin_2
      Ivan Fokin_2 6 December 2022 14: 00
      +1
      You know, respected by the majority of the population of our country, on the drum, what they think of us in the West.
      1. solar
        solar 6 December 2022 16: 47
        -1
        This "think" is concretely embodied in military deliveries to Ukraine, expanding their volumes and range. Western air defense has already begun, including the most modern, Western tanks and aircraft are next in line. A direct consequence of attacks on substations and thermal power plants that have no military significance.
  26. iouris
    iouris 6 December 2022 11: 57
    0
    There are fewer and fewer reasons not to use nuclear weapons against the United States. Wow, the Yellowstone Volcano isn't working.
  27. Dmitry Karabanov
    Dmitry Karabanov 7 December 2022 09: 26
    0
    Was there even the slightest doubt about that? As long as the benefit of this war, even for a dollar, will be profitable for the United States, the bloodshed will continue. Who does not believe - the experience of Afghanistan as an example.
  28. SeregaBoss
    SeregaBoss 7 December 2022 09: 34
    0
    And will they transfer their tanks and planes and other prodigies with crews? With these noble and fearless gay warriors? Are you seriously?