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The Great Three: Which Armies Are the Most Powerful in the World

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The Great Three: Which Armies Are the Most Powerful in the World
Source: media.1777.ru



How and who counts tanks?


There are many controversial points in the issue of rating calculations of the total military power of the state. Most ratings, such as Global Firepower (GFP), focus on the size of the armed forces, geographic location (the length of the coastline, etc.) and the financial potential of the state.

Quite often, the estimates of the expert community give out quite objective indicators - for example, the unprecedented military power of the United States. However, reality sometimes breaks all analytical constructions. The American military machine, in which there are more than thirteen thousand military aircraft alone, could not cope with the Afghan irregular armed groups. By the way, Afghanistan barely holds on to the 118th place in the ranking.

Or another example.

Japan in almost all international rankings is in the top ten, and even in the top five of the strongest armies in the world. And North Korea trudges in the beginning of the third ten. Such a disposition does not mean that the Japanese are several times stronger than the DPRK, and a hypothetical war between these states will invariably lead to the victory of the self-defense army. On the contrary, a Japanese landing on the coast of North Korea will most likely end in a national catastrophe for Tokyo.

Once again, I will make a reservation, these are exclusively theoretical forecasts - Japan will never single-handedly attack the DPRK that it hates. For such an attack, a coalition will be assembled that, in terms of total power, represents a good half of the world's strike potential.

But even this does not guarantee anything - Pyongyang always has an asymmetric response in the form of a nuclear club. How effective it is is a big question, but the club is quite capable of causing unacceptable damage to the enemy. Otherwise, the Kim dynasty in North Korea would have long overtaken the fate of Gaddafi.

Based on the foregoing, it is immediately worth mentioning that all analytical reports that rank armies by strength are nothing more than analytical reports. They only allow quantitative comparison of the armies and resources of countries with each other.


Source: eurasian-defence.ru

One of these is the Global Firepower (GFP) mentioned above, which distributes countries based on 50 factors. We must pay tribute, the specialists did a good job - the number of airports, and the total length of railways, and purchasing power parity, and the population fit for military service, and the number of units of military equipment are taken into account. And all the reserves that can be used in an all-out war when the last "unit" is involved in the conflict.

The results of last year's GFP analysis are expectedly triumphant for the United States. Out of 142 countries, Americans are number one.

By a wide margin from the rest, the US Army is pulled out by the largest fleet, and in all positions. In the first place is the number of fighters (1 copies), attack aircraft (957 copies), general purpose helicopters (783 copies), attack helicopters (5 copies) and other aircraft.

Ground forces are not so impressive. Second in number tanks (6 copies) and the first in armored vehicles (612 copies).

In general, the Americans have something to fight, and the potential in connection with supplies weapons to Ukraine, if it decreased, it was insignificant.

The human resource is also of great importance. The Americans have it, if I may say so, of the highest quality. It's all about the ubiquity of small arms in the United States, including automatic weapons.

Summing up, we can state that the total power of America can only be stopped asymmetrically, that is, by a series of nuclear strikes. As far as this is possible, it is difficult to judge. The large area of ​​the country, coupled with the population dispersed in the suburbs, makes it a difficult target.

Interestingly, the only parameter with which Americans lag behind the entire sample was external debt - an astronomical amount with 13 zeros lowered the country to 140th place out of 142. The state with the largest defense budget remains the largest debtor.

For reference: GFP analytics does not take into account the nuclear potential of states. Firstly, this is even more conditional than counting tanks, and secondly, a number of countries characterize the number of warheads in their arsenals very vaguely.

Ready to compete with the hegemon


Russia is in second place in the GFP ranking.

Our country really does not have many weak points. Of the purely military, only the absence of helicopter carriers let down the Russian Navy - otherwise, we have the second most powerful fleet. According to estimates by GFP analysts, who call themselves independent, Russian sailors are drawn by the world's second largest number of submarines, the largest fleet of minesweepers and corvettes. Even the only aircraft carrier in the whole of Russia is the third place in the world ranking in this category.

The ground forces seem to be the most equipped in the world. We have more tanks, self-propelled guns, towed guns and missile systems of various classes. It is not surprising that at a certain stage of the special operation, it was these systems that played the most important role. Western observers counted more than 12 tanks alone. The Poles (Defence24), however, downplayed the tank armada of the Russian Federation to 3,5 vehicles.

Consistently second place in the world ranking table for Russian VSK. With 4 aircraft, we are several hundred aircraft ahead of China, but more than three times behind the United States.

All this allows us to consider the Russian army the strongest in Europe. This opinion was expressed in the Swedish edition of Svenska Dagblade:

“Now Russia is at its highest alert in decades, both in terms of responsiveness and mobility, and in terms of technical capability.”

In fairness, the Swedes spoke so flatteringly about the Russian army in early February.


Source: cameralabs.org

Estimates of the potential of the Russian army at the end of 2022 will be the main intrigue of the future.

On the one hand, the army inevitably spends considerable resources on a special operation. And the longer this goes on, the more tangible the losses will be.

On the other hand, how critical are these losses for the second army of the world? Will they be able to undermine the potential so much that in the notorious GFP rating we will slide to third place and lower?

Several factors are at play here.

China is on our heels. Analysts from the agency reduce all parameters (remember, there are 50 assessment positions) to a certain integral number, which is closer to zero, the better. The Americans have 0,0453, Russia has 0,0501, China has 0,0511, while India, which ranks fourth, has already 0,979.

At the same time, from year to year there is a total trend to accelerate the arms race. Most countries in 2021 have become much stronger in the military sphere than in 2020. Only Iran, Germany, Poland, Thailand, North Korea and a number of other states are marking time. Dropped in the ranking of Taiwan, Vietnam, Argentina, Zimbabwe and the like.

A decrease in the ranking does not necessarily mean that these countries have become weaker armies, just the rest could grow at a faster pace. As you know, Russian industry is now moving to a military footing - most of the military-industrial complex enterprises operate around the clock. At the end of the year, this should not only compensate for losses, but also increase the number of military equipment in the army. Our country will be pulled up in world rankings and 300 thousand mobilized civilians.

In third place, slightly behind the Russian armed forces, is the People's Liberation Army of China. The military from the Celestial Empire quite seriously broke away from India (4th place), which allows us to talk about some kind of dominance in the region. The top three leaders of the PRC are the second in the world spending on defense, as well as a virtually endless human resource for a future war.

We emphasize that winning in some correspondence ratings is a so-so undertaking that changes little on the battlefield. But our ill-wishers look very carefully at such a ranking of pseudo-independent offices. And this cannot be overlooked.
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  1. SaLaR
    SaLaR 7 December 2022 05: 20
    +21
    Here are just what numbers are real for the second army of the world .... Paper will endure everything, but what will reality show?
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 7 December 2022 05: 32
      +27
      Our country really does not have many weak points. Of the purely military, only the absence of helicopter carriers let down the Russian Navy - otherwise, we have the second most powerful fleet.
      Seriously ? you rave shamelessly ... China, Japan do not have a frail fleet, and even some,
      Even the only aircraft carrier in the whole of Russia is the third place in the world ranking in this category.
      "aircraft carrier" is not the only one on the move! what side is 3rd place in the ranking ??? so the fleet does not have the "second" place ... somewhere lower. some kind of "propagandistic" article that does not correspond to reality.
      1. Civil
        Civil 7 December 2022 07: 20
        +21
        A very inappropriate article, but at the right time. The strength of the army is determined on the battlefield in fact, and if theoretically, then the enemies of a strong army are afraid and do not start a war with a stronger enemy. Everything else is theory.
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 7 December 2022 10: 15
          +3
          The strongest army according to this criterion belongs to the Jucheans. And they are obviously motivated to the most not indulge, and all adversaries have been afraid to touch them for how many years now. Despite the ardent desire to do away with the DPRK ..
          1. dorz
            dorz 7 December 2022 17: 26
            +11
            Humor about weapons, could not help but place:

            1. insafufa
              insafufa 28 January 2023 09: 15
              0
              Quote: dorz
              Humor about weapons, could not help but place:


              We need to send another grandmother to a distant
              March 2 1931
              Privolnoye, Medvezhensky District, North Caucasus Territory, RSFSR, USSR

              Drown a little bear in the hospital.
      2. Doccor18
        Doccor18 7 December 2022 07: 21
        -2
        Quote: Aerodrome
        Seriously ?

        laughing I re-read it three times, I thought maybe I read it wrong ... laughing
        In fact, we would have a dozen helicopter carriers, maybe the Democrats from the top line would have been moved ...
        1. Georgy Sviridov_2
          Georgy Sviridov_2 7 December 2022 11: 12
          +5
          It is not aircraft carriers that make us the Second Fleet, but strategic nuclear submarines.
          1. Doccor18
            Doccor18 7 December 2022 11: 46
            +7
            The fleet is a multi-purpose structure. Even the presence of SSBNs is no longer a guarantee, because it is also necessary to ensure the service of strategic forces, protect them during exit / entry, etc. And for all this you need a lot more ...
            1. Ka-52
              Ka-52 8 December 2022 10: 29
              0
              The fleet is a multi-purpose structure. Even the presence of SSBNs is no longer a guarantee,

              what are the guarantees? We are not talking about the structure of the fleet. If we are talking about ratings, then power is considered according to the ranks of warships. And what you write about is already its combat capability in a certain tactical situation.
              protect them during exit/entry

              SSBNs are disposable submarines. From the task - to shoot the onboard arsenal of SLBMs and that's it. Where do they go then? Into the ruins of a naval base?
              1. Doccor18
                Doccor18 8 December 2022 10: 49
                0
                Quote: Ka-52
                then power is considered ... this is already its combat capability ...

                Don't you think it's a play on words? Power and combat capability should not be identical? Or is it possible to be "mighty", but incompetent? If this is an empty arithmetic of bayonets, shells and first-aid kits, then such ratings are worthless.

                Quote: Ka-52
                SSBNs are disposable submarines. From the task - to shoot the onboard arsenal of SLBMs and that's it. Where do they go then? Into the ruins of a naval base

                How can I tell you ... On the eve of a massive strike (in advance, concentrating funds and efforts), it is possible to track, accompany and melt (if not all, then to the maximum) the enemy’s SSBNs, which will seriously reduce its ability even for a retaliatory strike, not to mention a retaliatory - oncoming...
                1. Ka-52
                  Ka-52 8 December 2022 11: 27
                  0
                  Don't you think it's a play on words? Power and combat capability should not be identical?

                  no need to translate the conversation here by concepts. I agree that in a modern army a separate combat unit is not functional and will always lose to the system. Do not paint me common truths - I do not argue with them yes . Here, in the context of the article, we are talking about the rating. Well, let me give you a rough analogy: the world rating of an athlete does not depend on the number and quality of massage therapists. Although it is clear that without massage therapists, its capabilities will significantly decrease.
                  can be tracked, followed and remelted

                  to imagine this, you need to admit the situation of May-June 1941, when Stalin missed the offensive grouping of the Wehrmacht on our eastern borders. Because "hunting down and sinking" can only begin when NATO offensive forces are already concentrating on distant approaches. And these are not separate anti-submarine ships, but the forces of the fleets. The very first attempt to attack our nuclear submarine will already be a fact of a declaration of war and will lead to the transfer of all our strategic forces to a combat position. And the destruction of the forces of the nuclear triad is already a threat to statehood, according to the military doctrine of the Russian Federation.
                  1. Doccor18
                    Doccor18 8 December 2022 13: 48
                    0
                    Quote: Ka-52
                    to imagine this, you need to admit the situation of May-June 1941, when Stalin missed the offensive group

                    Make a comparison ... A five-million-strong group with a dozen or two multi-purpose submarines and anti-submarine aircraft (of which there are already a dime a dozen in the world's oceans) ...
                    Quote: Ka-52
                    when NATO offensive forces will already be concentrated on distant approaches.

                    At any time (for example, even now) in the waters of the adjacent democrats, they calmly operate with three AUGs ... Not enough? Might add a couple more. Do you think we will immediately declare war? Very doubtful.
                    Quote: Ka-52
                    And the destruction of the forces of the nuclear triad is already a threat to statehood ...

                    Naturally. Is. But it's destruction...
                    By the way, your "rough analogy" is not so "rough", because no matter how high the athlete's rating is, he will definitely blow the next competitions without masseurs ...
                    1. Ka-52
                      Ka-52 8 December 2022 14: 18
                      0
                      Fuck the comparison ... A five millionth group with a dozen or two multi-purpose submarines and anti-submarine aircraft

                      well, he screwed up.
                      At any time (for example, even now) in the waters of the adjacent democrats, they calmly operate with three AUGs ...

                      tell me the AUGs located in the Barents, Kara, Okhotsk, Japanese, Mediterranean seas.
                      Might add a couple more. Do you think we will immediately declare war?

                      learned to read? I did not write that the concentration of the enemy fleet is a pretext for declaring war.
                      Naturally. Is. But it's destruction...

                      Well, if you were not born yesterday, then you should know that this is the main deterrent.
                      because no matter how high the rating of the athlete is, he will definitely blow the next competitions without massage therapists ...

                      it will be already outside this rating. You still can't figure out what an article is about ranking. That is, the number of ships. There is no postscript in the rating "but there is no cook on this ship, therefore its (ship's) class, rank and armament are not taken into account in the rating."
                      1. Doccor18
                        Doccor18 8 December 2022 15: 24
                        +1
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        have forgotten how to read?

                        I can read, but you communicate as if you were forced to. All the best.
                  2. Mikhail Krivopalov
                    Mikhail Krivopalov 8 December 2022 17: 47
                    +1
                    Who did Stalin miss? Svanidze seen enough?
                2. sergey timoshinin
                  sergey timoshinin 8 December 2022 21: 35
                  -3
                  One Poseidon will sink all the aircraft carriers of the US TSUNAMI at once, and at the same time the whole of Great Britain, so aircraft carriers are not indicators.
                  1. BEV
                    BEV 9 December 2022 07: 45
                    0
                    Poseidon will probably flood the coastline for several kilometers. Destroy ports and cities by the water. An aircraft carrier at sea does not need to be afraid of a tsunami. There are many aircraft carriers and one Poseidon.
              2. karabas-barabas
                karabas-barabas 14 January 2023 04: 23
                0
                Quote: Ka-52
                SSBNs are disposable submarines. From the task - to shoot the onboard arsenal of SLBMs and that's it. Where do they go then? Into the ruins of a naval base?

                And how do they get out of the bays? All fleets of the Russian Federation are locked in bays; geographically, the Russian Federation is not lucky with this. Considering that since the 80s the Americans have managed to take control of all the strategists of the USSR, each grazed 7/24, now even more so. In my opinion, with nuclear submarines, as with strategic aviation, they can launch missiles from the bay, or after takeoff, otherwise it will be too late, you can’t go far.
          2. arkadiyssk
            arkadiyssk 8 December 2022 11: 17
            +2
            Strategic nuclear submarines? The author specifically pointed out that they say nuclear weapons were not taken into account. What for did he then add the displacement of strategists to the power of the fleet?
        2. Soulcube EKB
          Soulcube EKB 8 December 2022 20: 53
          0
          And along with their economy, technology.
      3. runway-1
        runway-1 7 December 2022 08: 39
        +1
        After reading the article, the same thoughts arose, especially against the background of NWO ...
        The only thing that stands apart is the question of the presence of nuclear weapons!
        1. WapentakeLokki
          WapentakeLokki 7 December 2022 21: 15
          +7
          You are implying this (subtly) that everything is not quite the same with our nuclear weapons (but rather, given the recent arrival in Engels where, by the way, our strategists are based) it’s not at all like that .. and like our Armed Forces & Aerospace Forces until 24.02.2022 (especially after Syria ) were (or seemed) powerful and equipped (according to our Ministry of Emergency Situations-nickname of the Minister of Defense) with the latest technology and technology by 99_100% .. but then the NWO struck and .. everything became very sad .. (repeat WHAT exactly .. sense no) .. so with nuclear weapons or something .. well, Allah forbid with Jesus then we have not just EVERYTHING BAD .. everything is MUCH worse ..
      4. New-pechkin
        New-pechkin 7 December 2022 08: 44
        +14
        aircraft carrier "not on the move" the only one! which side is the 3rd place in the ranking
        The whole article is propaganda nonsense, without any analysis of the weapons of countries in general. It was fun about the aircraft carrier, apparently the author does not know about the UK and India.
        1. Alex_mech
          Alex_mech 7 December 2022 12: 32
          +4
          Ha, the author doesn't know about Thailand and Brazil yet!
      5. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 7 December 2022 11: 25
        +6
        Quote: Aerodrome
        "aircraft carrier" is not the only one on the move! what side is 3rd place in the ranking ???
        it's not even an aircraft carrier, but an aircraft-carrying cruiser. A hybrid of an aircraft carrier with a cruiser, but in fact neither one nor the other.
      6. Eroma
        Eroma 8 December 2022 20: 06
        -1
        In fact, armies need to be compared according to two criteria: the defense capability of their own territory and the ability to project force to other countries, taking into account the range of action from their own borders. winked
        Today, the comparison is one horse in a spherical vacuum with another No.
        No one can take a steam bath, as I understand it, with the qualitative parameters of the existing arsenal. The Poles mean 3,5k tanks in the Russian Federation, based on the number of "modern" (modernized) vehicles, and analysts consider the entire fleet available in warehouses. But T72B3 and T72B for example, this is a big difference in capabilities. belay
        The advantage in aviation, as its own shows, without a significant qualitative superiority over enemy air defense, loses its significance as a victory factor.
        In short, pure fantasy

        But within the framework of these fantasies, I would put the Russian Federation in 3rd place after China, all the same, we did not show ourselves very well against the numbers recourse
    2. antivirus
      antivirus 7 December 2022 08: 08
      +1
      Is there a gopher or not? We do not see him, but he is and eats ..
      Zhyy.
      Where is the heron?
      .....
      A bear sleeps in a den
    3. rs777
      rs777 8 December 2022 13: 28
      +2
      It is not clear, but where are the Ukrainians? Judging by the current results of the special operation, they should be somewhere at the level of the Russian Federation. bully
    4. RUR
      RUR 8 December 2022 15: 30
      0
      according to the Asian rating, the Russian Federation has the third place https://power.lowyinstitute.org/data/military-capability/

      in some other place I saw 5-6th place - for 2022, but this is only accounting, the ratings do not show the skills of command and rank and file, do not take into account the willingness to sacrifice life, etc., etc.
  2. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 7 December 2022 05: 42
    +11
    There is nothing to argue about. Today, the United States, Russia and China are three countries with a full-fledged nuclear triad, which means they are the most invulnerable from a strategic point of view.
    1. Negro
      Negro 7 December 2022 12: 02
      +4
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      and therefore the most invulnerable from a strategic point of view.

      Not quite. You exclude the level of threats from consideration. The probability that the enemy of the Russian Federation will get to its entire triad is higher than the probability that the enemy of Britain will get to its submarines.
    2. WapentakeLokki
      WapentakeLokki 7 December 2022 21: 22
      +1
      one can argue about the PRC .. they don’t have nuclear weapons, but here are the means of delivery .. aviation (well, tactical from the purchased_stolen USSR-ovsky and other units, but from the Strategists, the Tu-16 clone is that .. no, they are sawing something there type B-2 but .. this is how we saw our PAK_DA) APLBR well, it’s more of a regional weapon (Japan + South Korea) .. there are mine ICBMs and .. how many of them ... so the PLA is still growing and grow even to the half-dead Strategic Missile Forces of Russia (and they are real .. there_no .. we won’t until 24.02.2022 that we had the Armed Forces & Aerospace Forces o_go_go and .. it’s like that ..)
  3. Amateur
    Amateur 7 December 2022 05: 49
    -16
    And how can one take into account in the rating an army in which there are such soldiers and an army that chickened out at the mere sight of such a soldier?

    (S. Ossetia. 8-8-8)
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 7 December 2022 06: 01
      +19
      in which there are such soldiers
      I do not belittle the courage of our soldiers, but then why does the WZO last so long and there is no end in sight?
      Bad comparisons come to mind... hi
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 7 December 2022 06: 55
        +5
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        I do not belittle the courage of our soldiers, but then why does the WZO last so long and there is no end in sight?

        Maybe because the ratings do not take into account the interests of "respected people"?
        1. EFIM LYUBIN
          EFIM LYUBIN 7 December 2022 20: 12
          +1
          Vladimir_2U, but you didn’t think that in the leadership of Russia (it’s not necessary to talk about Russian thieves - traitors) many people benefit from this not before the war - NWO?
      2. Amateur
        Amateur 7 December 2022 07: 16
        +8
        I do not belittle the courage of our soldiers, but then why does the WZO last so long and there is no end in sight?

        And what do soldiers have to do with politicians who make decisions on the principle of "seven Fridays a week." That denazification, then "a gesture of good will." Either mobilization, or "concern for the health of soldiers." Either we are not negotiating with this regime, or we are always ready for negotiations. Either we pass death sentences on mercenaries, or we exchange them for godfather.
        So
        ̶M̶u̶x̶i̶ ̶o̶t̶d̶e̶l̶b̶n̶o̶,̶ ​​̶k̶o̶t̶l̶e̶t̶y̶ ̶o̶t̶d̶e̶l̶b̶n̶o̶
        Soldiers apart, politicians apart
    2. solar
      solar 7 December 2022 11: 05
      +7
      The usual propaganda picture, made from a selected and cropped frame of the video.
      And since it was cut off, it is not clear that there are several armored personnel carriers on the side, and a column of tanks behind.
      And the Georgians, as many as two pickups.
      Those who had seen enough of such pictures expected that as soon as they appeared in Ukraine, everyone there would scatter in fright. The tenth month of waiting already.
      1. Alex_mech
        Alex_mech 7 December 2022 12: 34
        +1
        And so it was, all at once fled. We searched and searched for them in the Kyiv, Chernihiv and Sumy regions, but did not find anyone. I had to return home...
        1. solar
          solar 7 December 2022 13: 27
          +2
          Even in Kharkov and Kherson.
          As a result, they recruited a rabble in the zones, which now runs around Russia with machine guns and shoots at the police, as recently near Rostov.
  4. Eva Star
    Eva Star 7 December 2022 06: 48
    +11
    If you look at the numbers without details, then we are second, but if you study the issue in more detail, then this is far from the case, especially for the land army.
    The main strength of any land army is not the amount of equipment, but communications and intelligence. CBO showed that we have neither one nor the other. Our communication has remained in the last century and is tapped by the enemy without any problems, and often it is simply absent in the units. Our intelligence at the beginning was at the level of the Second World War, the special forces had to go behind enemy lines and indicate targets. There were no drones at all. Thanks to the volunteers for their help. Our artillery also operates in the old fashioned way, hitting areas in a given square. But here it is worth paying tribute, now we are already acting better, thanks to drones, it has become easier to aim. Unfortunately, we are still very far from the west. Modern SLAs allow you to link artillery and anti-artillery radars, this allows you to instantly visit and cover enemy artillery.
    We have a lot of tanks, but most of them are outdated not only in terms of armor and cannon, but primarily in terms of electronics. And Western friend-foe systems allow you to see your tanks and strangers on the map in a real situation. The only thing in Russia that can be attributed to the second army is missile weapons, here we are great without a doubt.
  5. art having
    art having 7 December 2022 08: 28
    +6
    Remove already from the second place, do not disgrace!
  6. User_neydobniu
    User_neydobniu 7 December 2022 08: 29
    +7
    Our country will be pulled up in the world rankings and 300 thousand mobilized civilian

    Well, this is a scribe, which means, according to the author, the second army of the world, and as a local conflict, mobilization is necessary. Something is clearly wrong with the compiler of these statistics
  7. runway-1
    runway-1 7 December 2022 08: 37
    +2
    But even this does not guarantee anything - Pyongyang always has an asymmetric response in the form of a nuclear club. How effective it is is a big question, but the club is quite capable of causing unacceptable damage to the enemy. Otherwise, the Kim dynasty in North Korea would have long overtaken the fate of Gaddafi.
    This is a traditional overestimation of North Korea's military capabilities by our press. In the event that the parties use nuclear weapons, it is guaranteed that it will not be able to inflict unacceptable damage to the coalition of its opponents.
    The real reasons for the security of the DPRK are not only related to its weapons and rhetoric, but to the direct proximity to the PRC and the position of the Chinese leadership.
    1. Negro
      Negro 7 December 2022 10: 58
      +5
      Quote: WFP-1
      The real reasons for the security of the DPRK are not only related to its weapons and rhetoric, but

      ... with the fact that then no one is ready to feed inferior Koreans who do not play StarCraft and do not dance key-pop. This is much worse than with the GDR happened.

      Let them sit in their self-guarded concentration camp.
      1. Wildcat
        Wildcat 7 December 2022 11: 28
        +4
        hi
        By the way, yes, interest in the unification of Korea is declining. I came across a funny book about modern South Korea, which described how even a generation ago this topic was very "alive": separated families suffered, parents-children, siblings were bored, shed proper tears, and so on.
        But the current generation of Koreans no longer remembers distant relatives, and although no one officially denies "unification as a goal", no one knows what to do. Even a military solution to the issue does not mean the absence of problems, for example - that the Workers' Party of Korea will not start winning elections in inconvenient places. Or "How much will it cost?"

        IMHO, a "big northern country" could do a great service to humanity by solving the problem of North Korea (and getting benefits from the South for it). Who wants to - let unite. Who doesn't want - what could be simpler - "everyone who moved will receive 10 acres of land and a passport with the surname Li-si-tsin." A person with a strange haircut could be rented/gifted an unfinished apart-hotel on the Black Sea (it still stands idle), as well as give out a lot of merry maidens and Mercedes. South Korea would be in the black - how many objects for development. Agriculture / construction / public catering in the Russian Federation would have risen to kim-chi. Koreans are not violent, in the second generation they are Russified (they calmly marry / marry not only Koreans), they are very diligent and responsible.
        1. Negro
          Negro 7 December 2022 11: 45
          +2
          Quote: Wildcat
          The Workers' Party of Korea will not start winning elections in awkward places. Or "How much will it cost?

          You are right, these are two unsolvable problems. Firstly, the North Koreans do not have any professions adequate to the modern world, and secondly, it is impossible to imagine giving them the right to vote - and the South Koreans are not ready to introduce the institution of "non-citizens" either.
          Quote: Wildcat
          IMHO, a "big northern country" could do a great service to humanity by solving the problem of North Korea

          The only solution to the problem of North Korea is to join it to the PRC as a province. There is no need to vote there, and the communists will always find some kind of work, and again there are concentration camps, otherwise it’s unusual without concentration camps right away. And then the Koreans will individually move to the south - those who are ready to live under capitalism.

          And the experience of developing northern territories with a problematic population will come in handy for the Chinese.
          1. Wildcat
            Wildcat 7 December 2022 18: 23
            +2
            and you don’t have to vote, and the communists will always find some kind of work, and again there are concentration camps, otherwise if it’s unusual without concentration camps right away

            Hmm, we need Koreans more, IMHO.
            Concentration camps are not our method, I agree. But unusual activity, as shown by the data of personal registrars / cameras of individual employees of the Federal Penitentiary Service, we can provide upon request.
            The Communist Party of the Russian Federation can help members of the WPK to get acquainted with the elections (and not only the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, the entire CEC will help).
            And for those who know weapons of the "USSR model", we will still find work at rates higher than the average North Korean for a long time, that's for sure.
            And we are without Han nationalism, we are internationalists. The great Russian poet and singer V. Tsoi will not let you lie:
            "War for no particular reason.
            War is the work of the young
            Wrinkle medicine."
            ...
            "And grace is around - not a damn thing to see
            And all around beauty - not a damn thing to see
            And everyone shouts "Hurrah!" and everyone runs forward
            And over it all a new day rises
            The house is standing, the light is on
            The distance is visible from the window
            So where did the sadness come from?
            And it seems to be alive and well
            And, it seems, do not grieve to live
            So where did the sadness come from?
  8. Illanatol
    Illanatol 7 December 2022 09: 04
    0
    Quote: Civil
    The strength of the army is determined on the battlefield in fact, and if theoretically, then the enemies of a strong army are afraid and do not start a war with a stronger enemy. Everything else is theory.


    Alas, history often shows otherwise. Even ours, domestic.
    It is not armies that win, but states and countries. This is often forgotten.
  9. Illanatol
    Illanatol 7 December 2022 09: 06
    -3
    Quote from: User_neydobniu
    Well, this is a scribe, which means, according to the author, the second army of the world, and as a local conflict, mobilization is necessary.


    Well, this is a scribe, when the "first army of the world" got into a local conflict in Vietnam, it also had to enlist youth en masse.
    1. haron
      haron 7 December 2022 10: 51
      +6
      Quote: Illanatol
      in Vietnam, she also had to enlist youth en masse.

      You still remember how the "first army of the world" fought with the Indians, and raked them away. And as a second army in 1238, the Mongols sliah's winter company. And the third one was cut like a walnut by the Japanese in the 30s of the 20th century.
      The question is how we are fighting - here and now, and not about how grandfathers fought.
      1. Illanatol
        Illanatol 7 December 2022 13: 48
        -3
        Quote: haron
        You still remember how the "first army of the world" fought with the Indians, and raked them away. And as a second army in 1238, the Mongols sliah's winter company. And the third one was cut like a walnut by the Japanese in the 30s of the 20th century.
        The question is how we are fighting - here and now, and not about how grandfathers fought.


        Well, military traditions are such a thing ... why not remember?
        And what "second army" fought the Mongols? What, then a single Russian state was? With a single army? Funny, smiled concretely. An example is clearly past the checkout.
        Well, Western armies don’t really shine in our time either. Like the Yankees in Afghanistan, like the French in Mali.
        Considering the many political restrictions that ours are forced to observe in the Ukrainian conflict, on the whole, we are fighting not badly. I would like to see how the Yankees fought in such conditions. Or the Germans, for example. Most likely - just not. They were not accustomed to restrain themselves in the methods of warfare, they wanted to spit on the "collateral losses."
        1. Negro
          Negro 7 December 2022 15: 16
          +3
          Quote: Illanatol
          Considering the many political restrictions that ours are forced to observe in the Ukrainian conflict, in general, we are fighting not bad

          What are the political restrictions?
          Quote: Illanatol
          Or the Germans, for example

          The Germans don't fight. Too glorious past, people react nervously.
          Quote: Illanatol
          They were not accustomed to restrain themselves in the methods of warfare, they wanted to spit on the "collateral losses."

          And when was the last time special military operations carried out by the Americans were accompanied by massive casualties and destruction?
    2. Negro
      Negro 7 December 2022 11: 01
      +1
      The American army was already conscripted (to simplify). Just under the influence of Vietnam, they abandoned this. Conscripts are not fit for colonial wars.
  10. Negro
    Negro 7 December 2022 11: 08
    0
    And who in general can be interested in this kitoslonina?
  11. Georgy Sviridov_2
    Georgy Sviridov_2 7 December 2022 11: 09
    -6
    1. Russia
    2. USA
    3. China
    1. NATO
    2. Russia
    3. China
    Two lists and both are correct.
  12. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 7 December 2022 11: 26
    +5
    the largest fleet of minesweepers and corvettes.
    Of these, a few are modern, and most are still Soviet-built, hopelessly outdated.
    The Black Sea Fleet in the Crimean War, according to pennants, was also hoo, but in fact it fit for flooding. So that the French and British could not enter the harbor.
  13. rocket757
    rocket757 7 December 2022 11: 29
    +2
    How and who counts tanks?
    . All numbers now indicators matter only until the moment when the army must confirm them on the battlefield, with a worthy opponent!
  14. Trunk
    Trunk 7 December 2022 12: 05
    +1
    Is the competence of the military leadership taken into account in the rating? And this factor should be considered the main one.
  15. Alex_mech
    Alex_mech 7 December 2022 12: 27
    +2
    Interestingly, the only parameter with which Americans lag behind the entire sample was external debt.

    I wonder how external debt affects military power? Let me remind you that the large foreign debt of the United States is large precisely because everyone in the world invests in the American economy, buys shares of American companies, keeps their savings in dollars, and so on. This is not because Americans lend money, but because investing in the US economy is safe!
  16. Alex_mech
    Alex_mech 7 December 2022 12: 30
    +1
    Even the only aircraft carrier in the whole of Russia is the third place in the world ranking in this category.
    Brazil and Thailand also have aircraft carriers.
  17. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 7 December 2022 13: 33
    -2
    Summing up, we can state that the total power of America can only be stopped asymmetrically, that is, by a series of nuclear strikes.

    America's power was once stopped by Korea and Vietnam, without any nuclear strikes, and when they hit incomparably weaker relative to the United States than now. The ground army is also not in the best condition after the occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan.
    Н
    As far as possible, it is difficult to judge. The large area of ​​the country, coupled with the population dispersed in the suburbs, makes it a difficult target.

    The goal is one of the easiest. There is no need for nuclear strikes. An attack by several hundred drones, such as Geran-2, but with a long range, against large metropolitan areas and / or the US electricity supply system, may result in a mass uncontrolled self-evacuation of the population and the collapse of their state. The USA is like a glass house that throws stones at others.
    1. Negro
      Negro 7 December 2022 15: 18
      +2
      Quote: Kostadinov
      megacities and / or the US electricity supply system, may end in mass uncontrolled self-evacuation of the population and the collapse of their state

      What a crazy proposition. Blackouts, hurricanes and other troubles happen to Americans regularly.

      Are you for an hour not the same Bulgarian on the salary of RIA Novosti that "Bolgars admired"?
  18. Illanatol
    Illanatol 7 December 2022 13: 54
    -1
    Quote from: Alex_mech
    Let me remind you that the large foreign debt of the United States is large precisely because everyone in the world invests in the American economy, buys shares of American companies, keeps their savings in dollars, and so on. This is not because Americans lend money, but because investing in the US economy is safe!


    What nonsense! We are talking about public debt, what does investment have to do with it? Investments in the private sector are underway. They don't buy stocks, they buy government bonds. Which over time need to be repaid, that is, to pay the buyer their cost with a fixed percentage. This is how external public debt grows.
    Since when have large debts become a criterion for success? For the first 20 years after WWII, the United States themselves were a creditor, not a debtor. And this was the time of their real prosperity.
    1. Negro
      Negro 7 December 2022 14: 58
      +3
      Quote: Illanatol
      This is how external public debt grows

      And who told you that the United States not only has a large, but generally IS "external public debt"?
  19. Ruslan
    Ruslan 7 December 2022 14: 14
    0
    3rd place is ours, to be honest. as already written, the facts are very different from paper indicators
    1. Negro
      Negro 7 December 2022 14: 50
      0
      Seriously?

      Did you draw this conclusion on the basis of a special military operation in Georgia?
  20. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 7 December 2022 16: 26
    0
    Quote: SaLaR
    Paper will endure everything, but what will reality show?

    Expectations and reality coincide very rarely. SVO confirms this to some extent.
  21. Alexfly
    Alexfly 7 December 2022 18: 17
    0
    Everything is simple here: NATO, China, Ukraine (as a follower of NATO), possibly Russia ..
  22. Russian Patriot
    Russian Patriot 8 December 2022 00: 29
    0
    Such an article about the "second army of the world" is already ridiculous to read.
  23. Yaroslav Tekkel
    Yaroslav Tekkel 8 December 2022 02: 04
    +3
    All such ratings are extremely imperfect, and this one is no good at all.

    How do you even compare armies that were created with completely different goals? For example, how to compare the armies of Great Britain and North Korea? It is clear that a million Koreans in their fortifications dug over 70 years (and the mountains themselves are a fortification) will be able to repel any British landing. It is also clear that Britain may not be afraid of the North Korean landing at all. Well, which one is stronger?

    US downgraded for large external debt? Damn, what does that have to do with military power? Do you think that in the event of a war with China, the Americans will honestly pay the Chinese government bonds? Or will the Chinese pay the American shareholders of their factories? Yeah.

    Again (as in all such shitty ratings) they counted all the equipment in storage.
  24. Sasha1979
    Sasha1979 8 December 2022 03: 17
    +1
    "... true, they downplayed the tank armadas of the Russian Federation to 3,5 vehicles.". I don't want to read further. A military publication cannot afford such blunders.
  25. bsk_una
    bsk_una 8 December 2022 03: 48
    +1
    Mr author! You have to keep your eyes open a little. The strength of the army must be judged by several parameters: the economy of the country, which feeds the army with both food and equipment. It is necessary to keep in mind the size of the country that this army guards. Isn't it an example of the SVO in Ukraine, when the existing grouping is not able to cause irreparable damage to the country. The second army is such an army that the enemies take their breath away when they are attacked against it. That's what our army lacks. And we are just now rolling up our sleeves somehow to bring her into a proper military look.
  26. flyer
    flyer 8 December 2022 08: 07
    -1
    Russia, USA and Ukraine (you can arrange it yourself, based on your political preferences). I do not understand those who highly appreciate the Chinese army. Numerous army yes, but what kind of combat experience? There are a lot of various weapons, but they are a copy of something, albeit of high quality, but not the original. Some exercises, some participation in biathlons is good, of course, but in the exercises there is no enemy who will shoot back, take prisoners, ambush, blow up, destroy and kill.
  27. Kornily
    Kornily 8 December 2022 12: 40
    0
    One of the military theorists said:
    The power of the army is characterized by -1) the degree of technical equipment, 2) the quality of the command staff and 3) the motivation of the personnel.
    USA - no item 3 (only money), controversial item 1 (improvement but not new) and the adequacy of item 2 (more managers than commanders)
    1. Negro
      Negro 8 December 2022 19: 50
      0
      Quote: Korniliy
      The power of the army is characterized by -1) the degree of technical equipment, 2) the quality of the command staff and 3) the motivation of the personnel.
      USA

      3 - the best after militia-type armies (Israel, Ukraine). However, the training is much better than the militia armies, with the exception of Israel. 2 - the best in the world (while doing their own thing, not politics) 1 - the best in the world.

      And what did you want to say?
  28. sifgame
    sifgame 8 December 2022 14: 17
    +3
    Such articles are fasting with one purpose, to stir up the swamp of the forum. These ratings don't matter. USA-Korea, USA-Vietnam, USA-Afghanistan, USSR-Afghanistan. In addition to the number of weapons, there are other factors affecting the outcome of the war, no less important.
  29. Sergeant_Soviet_Army
    Sergeant_Soviet_Army 8 December 2022 15: 44
    0
    The power of the army of any country is always measured by the presence of the enemy, the means of strategic deterrence, that is, nuclear weapons. If the Japanese are at least seven spans in their foreheads, but if they want to clash one on one with the DPRK, then the Japs will have no chance, the Koreans will simply gasp at them, with all their might with their nuclear club, and that's it, the end of the samurai. At the beginning of the Great Patriotic War, Germany had a well-trained army, superiority in tanks and manpower, on their side there was a surprise attack and a huge length of the front. However, the cohesion of the Soviet people, patriotism and the struggle of partisans in the rear of the Nazis played a role and Hitler received musala. So all these ratings are complete nonsense. Everything is known in a specific battle and in a single battle. And if the people also rise, then it will be impossible to defeat the country. A vivid example of Afghanistan, in its entire history, no one was able to conquer it, because they fought with the people.
  30. BorzRio
    BorzRio 8 December 2022 19: 17
    +2
    All these ratings are nonsense. Since 2008, the Russians have firmly believed in the Kremlin propaganda in the form of patriotic military TV shows, parades, exhibitions, exercises - that our army is reborn, it is modern and powerful. There are enough problems, everyone understood. But 9 months of the war showed the complete non-professionalism and unsuitability of the army command and army planning, the lack of modern equipment and equipment in the troops in the right amount. The fleet was so disgraced in the Black Sea. Tactical aviation also either died heroically from air defense, or huddled to the ground, shooting nurses and fabs into milk. The defense and protection of strategic objects is a dummy. The number of Russian soldiers who have surrendered is beyond the mind. In general, the whole theory is nonsense.
  31. certero
    certero 8 December 2022 23: 21
    0
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    but then why does the WZO last so long and there is no end in sight?
    Bad comparisons come to mind.

    The military operation lasts long not because the Russian soldiers are not courageous enough. It takes a long time because our politicians ordered the military to launch a special operation for no proper reason on the wrong premises. And among the generals there was no comrade Zhukov who would say that with such forces it would be impossible to break the resistance of the enemy If suddenly he was not afraid.
  32. Anton Vasiliev
    Anton Vasiliev 9 December 2022 01: 38
    0
    The Russian military-industrial complex will not be able to do more than is lost in Ukraine, this is obvious to everyone except the author of the article, otherwise the T62 would not be removed from storage, the fleet is also useless in the conflict
  33. ratoborets
    ratoborets 9 December 2022 10: 28
    +1
    According to the Stockholm Institute for Peace Research, the military budget for the year (probably before the SVO)
    China $293 billion
    Russia 66 billion dollars

    Total for China
    - the size of the army is 2.2 times larger
    - military budget is 4.4 times larger
    - at the same time, they can mass-produce many types of weapons on an industrial scale much cheaper than ours. And if we take into account that some of the components of the filling, electronics come from China, then there it can cost several times cheaper.
    - China already has three aircraft carriers; in fact, we don’t have a single one. And the approach to business, as always with the Chinese, is massive - for the next 10-15 years, the construction of aircraft carriers is being put on stream and a new one will be released every few years.
    - in new types of weapons, UAVs, reconnaissance equipment, communications, etc. The Chinese are already head and shoulders above.
    - in traditional weapons (tanks, MLRS, armored personnel carriers), if the Chinese lag behind, then at the expense of the legacy of the USSR. That's just the production capabilities and opportunities for their mobilization from the Chinese, for sure, are better. We are talking about plans to modernize 800 T-62s in 3 years ... and this is when the SVO is underway and all funds must be mobilized. China, if desired, will produce several hundred ZTZ96 a year.

    If you do not take into account nuclear weapons, then China is in 2nd place.
  34. Aron Finkilstein
    Aron Finkilstein 15 December 2022 23: 46
    0
    It is somewhat reckless to draw any serious conclusions about the real combat power of the Russian Armed Forces on the basis of the current SVO. For the army is one thing, and the political leadership of the country is another. The Russian army is quite adequate, but its political leadership is not. It is categorically impossible to fight in the way the NWO is carried out ...! You can’t pause in the offensive, giving the enemy the opportunity to regroup and bring in reserves, you can’t allow the possibility of supplying weapons from the territory of third countries, you can’t talk about the possibility of any negotiations and concessions until a complete and unconditional surrender is signed ... Yes, and much more you can’t do what the military and political leadership of Russia is doing ... The Soviet-Finnish war of 1939-1940 is recalled. The losses of the USSR were 4 times greater than the Finnish ones, the USSR won, the tasks were completed. But military analysts and intelligence officers of the leading armies of the world concluded about the total weakness of the Red Army - they checked it in the Third Reich (one gentleman said that "Russia is a colossus with feet of clay, I will crush it in 2 months!") ... In 1941 year, the Western assessment of the Red Army seemed to be confirmed, until December 1941 ... The same thing with the NWO - what is being done now - it looks like a total weakness of the Russian army, but you should not draw premature conclusions ... As for the rating of the armies itself, then the key factor of power in the modern world is not the number of tanks, aircraft or artillery or ships, but the number of nuclear weapons and their means of delivery to enemy territory, the ability to turn enemy territory into a scorched desert ... On this point, Russia firmly shares first place with the United States . Various local war games are local war games, some were won, others were not.
  35. Mazunga
    Mazunga 16 December 2022 15: 01
    -1
    good article ... until February of this year, the author is clearly a fat troll
  36. Alex242
    Alex242 8 January 2023 04: 44
    0
    Quote: Civil
    A very inappropriate article, but at the right time. The strength of the army is determined on the battlefield in fact, and if theoretically, then the enemies of a strong army are afraid and do not start a war with a stronger enemy. Everything else is theory.

    theoretically, yes, we can agree, but in practice we will see how the situation in the NWO will be in 2023, we will draw conclusions ....
  37. Alex242
    Alex242 8 January 2023 04: 45
    -1
    Quote from: ratoborets
    According to the Stockholm Institute for Peace Research, the military budget for the year (probably before the SVO)
    China $293 billion
    Russia 66 billion dollars

    Total for China
    - the size of the army is 2.2 times larger
    - military budget is 4.4 times larger
    - at the same time, they can mass-produce many types of weapons on an industrial scale much cheaper than ours. And if we take into account that some of the components of the filling, electronics come from China, then there it can cost several times cheaper.
    - China already has three aircraft carriers; in fact, we don’t have a single one. And the approach to business, as always with the Chinese, is massive - for the next 10-15 years, the construction of aircraft carriers is being put on stream and a new one will be released every few years.
    - in new types of weapons, UAVs, reconnaissance equipment, communications, etc. The Chinese are already head and shoulders above.
    - in traditional weapons (tanks, MLRS, armored personnel carriers), if the Chinese lag behind, then at the expense of the legacy of the USSR. That's just the production capabilities and opportunities for their mobilization from the Chinese, for sure, are better. We are talking about plans to modernize 800 T-62s in 3 years ... and this is when the SVO is underway and all funds must be mobilized. China, if desired, will produce several hundred ZTZ96 a year.

    If you do not take into account nuclear weapons, then China is in 2nd place.

    Again, this is all theory, in practice everything will be different ....
  38. Alex242
    Alex242 8 January 2023 04: 46
    0
    Quote: Sergeant_Soviet_Army
    The power of the army of any country is always measured by the presence of the enemy, the means of strategic deterrence, that is, nuclear weapons. If the Japanese are at least seven spans in their foreheads, but if they want to clash one on one with the DPRK, then the Japs will have no chance, the Koreans will simply gasp at them, with all their might with their nuclear club, and that's it, the end of the samurai. At the beginning of the Great Patriotic War, Germany had a well-trained army, superiority in tanks and manpower, on their side there was a surprise attack and a huge length of the front. However, the cohesion of the Soviet people, patriotism and the struggle of partisans in the rear of the Nazis played a role and Hitler received musala. So all these ratings are complete nonsense. Everything is known in a specific battle and in a single battle. And if the people also rise, then it will be impossible to defeat the country. A vivid example of Afghanistan, in its entire history, no one was able to conquer it, because they fought with the people.

    then the patriots will gradually die,