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A tanker exploded at an airfield near Ryazan, an incident at an airfield in Engels is also reported

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A tanker exploded at an airfield near Ryazan, an incident at an airfield in Engels is also reported

An explosion occurred at an airfield near Ryazan, according to preliminary data, a fuel truck exploded there. There are casualties and also wounded. This is reported by the emergency services of the region.


Three people were killed and at least five or six more were injured to varying degrees in the explosion in the parking lot. aviation equipment at the airfield in Dyagilevo near Ryazan. The tanker exploded beforehand, the explosion was so strong that it was heard even in the military camp. Some resources report alleged damage to the aircraft as a result of the explosion, but without any details.

Three died, five were injured. Of the five, two suffered serious bodily harm.

- said the emergency services, adding that all the victims have already been taken to the nearest medical facilities.

Firefighters and emergency services are on the scene, establishing all the circumstances of the incident. The cause of the fuel truck fire is not reported, at the moment there have been no official statements. Some resources have already put forward a version that a drone controlled by Ukrainian saboteurs who entered Russian territory, or one of the locals who sympathize with Kyiv, could have hit the airfield. The option with a drone launched from the territory of Ukraine is unlikely.

Also, the option of violating safety regulations when refueling an aircraft or other actions with this tanker is not ruled out. This version is more similar to the real one, but now everything is viewed through the prism of a special military operation, so we will not discount the drone. It remains to wait for official statements from the Ministry of Defense with an explanation of what happened.

Also, information appeared on the network about the incident at the airport in Engels. It is alleged that damage was done to one or more aircraft that were on the territory of the airfield.

At the moment, there are no official comments on the causes of incidents at airfields in the Russian Federation, including many hundreds of kilometers from the border with Ukraine.
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  1. Buyan
    Buyan 5 December 2022 11: 00
    +13
    Condolences to the dead, it's a pity that this happened
    1. neworange88
      neworange88 5 December 2022 11: 03
      +64
      That's right. Here is the result of us playing noble gentlemen and chewing snot. We set up an institute for noble maidens. We don’t want to completely destroy the energy sector of Ukraine, destroy the supply routes for weapons and equipment to Ukraine. Here we get it. And be sure with such an approach as we have, this is just flowers, just the beginning. Soon he will fly to the Kremlin with such an attitude towards the NWO. Continue to take half measures. The Hague is already being prepared, having seen enough of our half-measures and nobility. By the way, when will we start serial production of Geranium-2? A suitable APD-45 engine with a power of 50 hp. we have. GLONASS is. So what's the matter?

      1. Evil543
        Evil543 5 December 2022 11: 09
        +25
        Remember how in the movies? They are at war, and we have ... our own
        1. UAZ 452
          UAZ 452 5 December 2022 11: 27
          +18
          That's it: they are at war, and we get along.
          1. 4ekist
            4ekist 5 December 2022 12: 06
            +7
            Also, information appeared on the network about the incident at the airport in Engels. It is alleged that damage was done to one or more aircraft.......

            Clearly not random events at two airfields at once. I think the big ones worked from drones launched from a short distance. Isn't it time for decision makers to draw the appropriate conclusions with far-reaching consequences for the regime.
            1. SKVichyakow
              SKVichyakow 5 December 2022 12: 54
              +5
              Quote: 4ekist
              Clearly not random events at two airfields at once. I think the big ones worked from drones launched from a short distance. Isn't it time for decision makers to draw the appropriate conclusions with far-reaching consequences for the regime.

              I think that there is no one in that place to make such a decision.
              1. Lionnvrsk
                Lionnvrsk 5 December 2022 13: 37
                +29
                Quote: SKVichyakow
                I think that there is no one in that place to make such a decision.

                As it was rightly noted about the Moscow Region back in mid-September, "it's hard to wait for some great decisions and ingenious strategies from an organization in whose service cafe there are busty and big-ass twenty-five-year-old s̶o̶s̶a̶l̶b̶sch̶i̶ts̶y̶ assistants with dogs in redicule on stilettos and haute couture clothes with huge stars on shoulder straps, who arrived at the service with a slight delay on a beautiful Porsche , take a bite of miso soup, washed down with a latte macchiato from a barista.

                That's when this huge building smells of borscht and cutlets, and on the third there will be a compote of dried fruits that Baba Klava will pour - this will be the first step towards great changes in our worker-peasant Red Army.
                (c) Fighterbomber
              2. svp67
                svp67 5 December 2022 13: 38
                +6
                Quote: SKVichyakow

                I think that there is no one in that place to make such a decision.

                But why? Now a decision is being prepared on the "demilitarization" of the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant, in exchange for the launch of the Togliatti-Odessa ammonia pipeline
                1. SKVichyakow
                  SKVichyakow 5 December 2022 14: 08
                  -3
                  Quote: svp67
                  Quote: SKVichyakow

                  I think that there is no one in that place to make such a decision.

                  But why? Now a decision is being prepared on the "demilitarization" of the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant, in exchange for the launch of the Togliatti-Odessa ammonia pipeline

                  Will armored personnel carriers be withdrawn from the territory of the ZNPP? After all, nothing else changes.
            2. svp67
              svp67 5 December 2022 13: 33
              +3
              Quote: 4ekist
              I think the big ones worked from drones launched from a short distance

              Well, judging by the explosions at the airfield near Pskov and possibly near Saki, they could have mined a tanker ...
              1. 4ekist
                4ekist 5 December 2022 13: 48
                +1
                svp67 ...... they could have mined a tanker ...

                Nothing can be excluded. But such a case (terr. act) can be realized only with access to a protected, secure facility.
                1. svp67
                  svp67 5 December 2022 13: 56
                  +2
                  Quote: 4ekist
                  Nothing can be excluded. But such a case (terr. act) can be realized only with access to a protected, secure facility.

                  Well, that's what happened in Pskov. In Saki, it is similar, since the explosions there occurred almost simultaneously, but in different, and most importantly, protected places.
                  The same TK could be mined in a car park or in another place outside the airfield
                  1. 4ekist
                    4ekist 5 December 2022 14: 26
                    +1
                    svp67: The same TK could have been mined in a car park or in another place outside the airfield

                    Unlikely. As a rule, fuel is supplied to the airfield through a pipeline and repairs (maintenance) are carried out there.
                    1. svp67
                      svp67 5 December 2022 15: 15
                      +3
                      Quote: 4ekist
                      Unlikely. As a rule, fuel is supplied to the airfield through a pipeline and repairs (maintenance) are carried out there.

                      Yes, even from the tap, let it pour. TK (tanker) then settles in a car park, which is usually located outside the airfield
                2. ABC-schutze
                  ABC-schutze 5 December 2022 15: 25
                  -6
                  I would, in this case, as a priority, consider the version of the violation of safety regulations when working with fuel and lubricants.

                  For one reason or another, perhaps due to negligence, proper "grounding" of the tanker or the aircraft being refueled was not provided. And a spark "jumped" from the body of the tanker or aircraft, at the moment the crane was installed "into the hatch" ...

                  And then - "painting with oil" ...

                  Yes, I foresee objections - grounding circuits hang from the "tank" ... Yes, they "hang down". But who knows what the ground circuit lay on in this particular case. At the time of refueling and at night...

                  On the concrete taxiway directly?.. Or "rested" on a snow shovel?..
                  1. 4ekist
                    4ekist 5 December 2022 16: 20
                    +2
                    ABC-schütze:...I would, in this case, consider the version of the violation as a priority....

                    I think. investigators are not stupid. If something did arrive, then they have already found it: fragments of an UAV, an explosive device, video materials from surveillance cameras, etc., and this will be announced soon.
                  2. Alex Barrett
                    Alex Barrett 5 December 2022 18: 28
                    +4
                    Another cigarette butt at the same time on two military airfields? Although cruisers are known to sink from cigarette butts, so I think this will be the main version of MO
                    1. DymOk_v_dYmke
                      DymOk_v_dYmke 5 December 2022 20: 24
                      +2
                      The MoD has already announced the version of the drones. hi
                      1. ABC-schutze
                        ABC-schutze 5 December 2022 23: 03
                        +2
                        And I, just like six months ago (since the attack on the airfield in Sevastopol) "voiced" the urgent need to make changes to the UGKS.

                        In particular, by imposing on the guards the duty of guarding and defending objects within the boundaries of the territory of the post, incl. and from an air attack ...

                        For what, all guards within one garrison must be transferred under the control of one operational duty officer appointed by the commandant of the garrison. The duty officer of the air defense area, which ensures control and defense of the airspace over the corresponding territory, must be introduced into the duty shift of the operational duty officer. At its disposal should be the means of monitoring and displaying information about a stop in the airspace over all territories protected by garrison guards.

                        These zones must be closed for ANY aircraft to be in them and at a specified distance from them. The air defense operational and duty officer must have immediate, direct, operational communication with any nachkar and sentry from any garrison guard.

                        Garrison guards should be armed with air defense systems of the type (MANPADS), and as part of the guard shifts there should be a sentry (calculation), whose task is to protect and defend the territory of the entire facility from air attack. Having a direct connection with the operational duty officer, to whom the guards are subordinate. Having an appropriately equipped observation post and serving according to the schedule of guard changes (i.e. "two hours", with the "three-shift" mode at each guard post).

                        Something like that...
                3. Hiller
                  Hiller 5 December 2022 16: 25
                  +5
                  The first question to the commander of the unit is about compliance with fire safety measures, the second is about the organization of security, anti-sabotage measures and air defense of a sensitive facility. Further to the answer is military counterintelligence. In general, the military prosecutor's office works above the roof, and answering the questions of the military investigator and the prosecutor is oh, how difficult. The list of job responsibilities of the responsible official is on their desk and they started point by point....
              2. Arkady007
                Arkady007 5 December 2022 20: 36
                0
                https://news.mail.ru/incident/54167807/?frommail=1
                Written about jet UAVs. Then the question immediately arises for air defense, what did they do?
            3. Garik Gorkin
              Garik Gorkin 5 December 2022 16: 28
              +6
              Isn't it time for decision makers to draw the appropriate conclusions

              It seems that people with intelligence clearly below average and thieves work for us in the relevant structures. How else to explain that for almost a year, now at one facility, then at another, the enemies are blowing up expensive equipment (aircraft, etc.). Citizens on the forums write to them:
              MORONS, put the equipment in the hangars!

              but they are not able to understand simple things, or money for construction is stupidly stolen, as was done with respect to 1.5 million sets of uniforms for the mobilized. The main thing for them is that their offspring ride gelendvagens and do not deny themselves anything, and the country, but they don’t give a damn about the country, let the population robbed by the oligarchs rake up these problems themselves.
              1. Planem
                Planem 6 December 2022 10: 21
                0
                It turns out that there is no order in modern Russia? That is, the proper organization of the service and the necessary control over subordinates, as well as the responsibility of managers at all levels. Or just in some places with us sometimes? Now in Pskov, then in Kaluga, now in the Ryazan and Saratov regions. There is no need to talk about the border ones. Either money was stolen for uniforms, then for equipment, then for mobilization measures. Either they forgot about drones, then they forgot about thermal imagers and other devices, etc. etc. And the enemy does not sleep.
            4. hector
              hector 5 December 2022 17: 51
              +1
              Quote: 4ekist
              Isn't it time for decision makers to draw the appropriate conclusions with far-reaching consequences for the regime.

              First of all, the consequences should begin in Russia.
              1. Neo-9947
                Neo-9947 5 December 2022 18: 23
                -6
                Russia is the biggest country in the world. And how many regime facilities does it have?
                A million trip. And everyone needs to be protected. Put air defense, radar, special forces at the entrance with scanners for incoming vehicles .....
                And absolutely all facilities will have to be protected, because there are also not bad ones - today an airfield, and tomorrow a water intake of a large city ....
                Now let's estimate how much all these events will cost for one object and multiply by our million.
                So our solvers are thinking there on the mountain - “Maybe, well, we don’t have so many billions, and one terrorist attack a month for such a huge country is “ugh”, all the more so the adversary may be trying to make us waste money. "
            5. Bayun
              Bayun 6 December 2022 09: 41
              0
              worse ... "launched from a GREAT (!) distance" ... According to the information, it looks like the old Soviet "pepelats", like the one that fell on Croatia.

              Last time, you see, "+" to "-" in the coordinates was confused, it went to Zagreb instead of Engels and foolishly left. And no one even put a compass on the map in the other direction! They were overslept like the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet. I wouldn’t be surprised if these “TUSHKI” even answered their own or someone else’s “one’s own” ... In the meantime, they figured it out - “good evening”.

              It is necessary to watch the war EVERYWHERE! Nothing prevents some "fishing trawler" under the flag of Liberia from firing "geraniums" at Vladivostok or Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky.
          2. SKVichyakow
            SKVichyakow 5 December 2022 13: 15
            0
            Quote: UAZ 452
            That's it: they are at war, and we are getting into trouble.

            Regarding the explosion of a fuel truck. The fire could have occurred with an incomplete capacity of the tank and the absence of grounding to the ground. And about the event in Engels, they write that the blow was delivered using a drone.
        2. zloybond
          zloybond 5 December 2022 11: 41
          +14
          It's true. They were preparing for war, and we were preparing for exercises.
          And how interesting these commanders with NATO are going to fight - they are fighting a country without aviation, but they get into such .... Some of the ranks will publicly lose their shoulder straps, or will they be transferred to another important position ???
          1. UAZ 452
            UAZ 452 5 December 2022 12: 22
            +21
            They were preparing for war, and we were preparing for exercises.

            These are bonds, and they are indestructible - even after the Russian-Japanese war it was said "the fleet that was preparing for the Highest Reviews lost to the fleet that was preparing for war." More than a century has passed, several revolutions, but national traditions remain unchanged.
          2. lis-ik
            lis-ik 5 December 2022 13: 07
            +4
            Quote: zloybond
            will he publicly lose his epaulettes, or will he be transferred to another important position ???

            He will go to work as an inspector general, honorably, but not profitable.
          3. AAK
            AAK 5 December 2022 13: 16
            +13
            What happened testifies exclusively to the organization of the airfield service, which has no analogues in the world (including air defense and measures to protect the aircraft in parking lots), to the excellent guard duty (the incidents took place around 6 in the morning, when the guard was valiantly preparing for the change), and new terms (in the messages - "... 2 damaged and 2 Tu-95 aircraft SUFFERED, what's the difference?). In general, a trifle, the damage is only a few tens of millions (in residual value) of killed raccoons ...
            Here, as in the credits of films about animals - "... during the filming, not a single general was injured ..."
        3. iouris
          iouris 5 December 2022 14: 12
          +6
          As recently as a week ago, the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Latvia (if one may say so, his last name was Rinkevichs, his orientation was non-traditional) announced strikes on the aforementioned air bases. Look for a note on Topwar. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation even answered him something. But the RF Ministry of Defense did not answer. Here is the result.
          1. albert
            albert 5 December 2022 14: 18
            +6
            Quote: iouris
            Look for a note on Topwar. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation even answered him something. But the RF Ministry of Defense did not answer. Here is the result.

            So there they even posted pictures and counted planes. 18 bombers and two tankers. It turns out that journalists are better informed than the Moscow Region? belay
        4. ABC-schutze
          ABC-schutze 5 December 2022 23: 09
          +1
          Another, quite intelligible reason for the Kremlin to remember that "the earth is round" and send "something", finally, to the decision-making centers of the Kyiv Nazis and their inhabitants. Starting with Bank...

          According to the same regular schedule, as it has been "arriving" for the second month already, and on the objects of the critical infrastructure of the Kyiv Natsiks ...
      2. Ivan Ivanov
        Ivan Ivanov 5 December 2022 11: 11
        +3
        If there are no half-measures, then how then to explain to Scholz and other respected partners why we are inflicting "cruel blows on Ukraine"
        1. Suslin
          Suslin 5 December 2022 11: 25
          +4
          Remember the rule "Hears only those who want to hear." , and if you do not remember, then read and remember. This means that Scholz needs to explain something.
          1. Ivan Ivanov
            Ivan Ivanov 5 December 2022 11: 35
            +6
            For 8+ years, it’s time for our bosses to get used to and understand that no one wants to hear his complex, Byzantine explanations, which is why now we have to bashfully explain to the mothers of the mobilized that “we probably made a mistake in 2014.”
            1. 4ekist
              4ekist 5 December 2022 12: 35
              -3
              Ivan Ivanov
              ..... now it’s shameful to explain to the mothers of the mobilized that “we probably made a mistake in 2014”

              In the 41st, they were also mistaken, in the 62nd "Caribbean crisis" was also mistaken. You're speaking apolitically, my dear.
        2. neworange88
          neworange88 5 December 2022 11: 30
          +1
          Quote: IvanIvanov
          If there are no half-measures, then how then to explain to Scholz and other respected partners why we are inflicting "cruel blows on Ukraine"


          Interestingly, is Zelensky somehow counted out in front of Scholz for another shelling of Donetsk? No?
      3. Pulkovo1942
        Pulkovo1942 5 December 2022 11: 12
        +30
        Soon he will fly to the Kremlin with such an attitude towards NWO

        For the Kremlin and its inhabitants, I personally do not worry.
        1. Ivan Ivanov
          Ivan Ivanov 5 December 2022 11: 14
          +22
          The Kremlin should worry about itself, because. in case of losing the Hague amnesty, he will not.
          1. lis-ik
            lis-ik 5 December 2022 13: 12
            +3
            Quote: IvanIvanov
            The Kremlin should worry about itself, because. in case of losing the Hague amnesty, he will not.

            Probably everything has already been prepared (by the Kremlin), otherwise it is difficult to explain all the curtsy.
        2. dmi.pris1
          dmi.pris1 5 December 2022 11: 51
          -1
          Yes, by and large ordinary employees live there. The top is often not there at all
      4. vovochkarzhevsky
        vovochkarzhevsky 5 December 2022 11: 21
        +9
        We must start by eliminating that chicken coop in the army, which is called outsourcing and which was started by "stools" and Shoigu continued. Otherwise, it will be so, either the fuel tankers explode, or the spies walk around the airfield like at home.
      5. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 5 December 2022 11: 58
        +2
        Quote from: neworange88
        That's right. Here is the result of us playing noble gentlemen and chewing snot. We set up an institute for noble maidens. We do not want to completely destroy the energy sector of Ukraine, to destroy the ways of supplying weapons and equipment to Ukraine.

        You've been so hard on your leadership for no reason. They probably want to do everything you voiced, but apparently the army simply cannot do it.
        1. Ivan Ivanov
          Ivan Ivanov 5 December 2022 12: 02
          +5
          Well, until October, strikes against the Ukroenergy seemed impossible for the army, then they turned out to be possible, the same story, I suspect, with bridges and entry points.
          1. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 5 December 2022 12: 04
            +2
            Quote: IvanIvanov
            Well, until October, strikes against the Ukroenergy seemed impossible for the army, then they turned out to be possible, the same story, I suspect, with bridges and entry points.

            Let me remind you that until October, your army directed all its efforts to defeat the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
            1. Ivan Ivanov
              Ivan Ivanov 5 December 2022 12: 20
              +6
              Attacks on ukroenergetics and logistics just contribute to the defeat
              1. Aaron Zawi
                Aaron Zawi 5 December 2022 12: 33
                -5
                Quote: IvanIvanov
                Attacks on ukroenergetics and logistics just contribute to the defeat

                No. The destruction of Germany's infrastructure did not lead to its defeat.
                1. Alexey RA
                  Alexey RA 5 December 2022 15: 14
                  +4
                  Quote: Aron Zaavi
                  No. The destruction of Germany's infrastructure did not lead to its defeat.

                  It just led - when critically vulnerable points were identified and an analysis of damage after the raids was carried out. Simply put, the LHC began to knock out bottlenecks in the production chains of weapons and equipment, the production of fuels and lubricants, and transport infrastructure. And they did it systematically, and not as before, when the plant that was raided was considered disabled and struck off the lists of targets.
                  The result was not long in coming - in six months, the production of aviation gasoline fell by 70% (at the peak - by 95%), synthetic rubber - by 60% (at the peak by 90%). Stocks of aviation gasoline during the same time decreased from about 550 to about 180 thousand tons. Already by September 1944, the Luftwaffe was forced to reduce fuel consumption by 2/3 compared to June.
                  With conventional fuel, the situation was the same: the scale of German operations at the end of 1944-1945. were determined not by the availability of equipment, but by fuel reserves.
                  In parallel with this, the production of other chemical products also fell sharply. First of all - nitrogen, from 60 thousand tons per month to 15-20 thousand tons. And nitrogen is all explosives + various mixtures for aircraft.
                  Steel
                  Ruhr raids - last quarter 44. Production dropped from 2 million tons in September (including occupied territories) to 1 million tons in December, 80% of the drop was due to air raids.

                  And finally, transport. After the bombers and fighter-bombers came to grips with the railway infrastructure and rolling stock, in the second half of 1944, rail traffic within the Reich borders fell four times. And this is not only a disruption in the supply of materials for production, but also a break in inter-factory cooperation - when the product cannot be delivered on time, because the assembly from subcontractors simply did not come.
                  1. Aaron Zawi
                    Aaron Zawi 5 December 2022 15: 48
                    -2
                    Quote: Alexey RA
                    Quote: Aron Zaavi
                    No. The destruction of Germany's infrastructure did not lead to its defeat.

                    It just led - when critically vulnerable points were identified and an analysis of damage after the raids was carried out. Simply put, the LHC began to knock out bottlenecks in the production chains of weapons and equipment, the production of fuels and lubricants, and transport infrastructure. And they did it systematically, and not as before, when the plant that was raided was considered disabled and struck off the lists of targets.
                    The result was not long in coming - in six months, the production of aviation gasoline fell by 70% (at the peak - by 95%), synthetic rubber - by 60% (at the peak by 90%). Stocks of aviation gasoline during the same time decreased from about 550 to about 180 thousand tons. Already by September 1944, the Luftwaffe was forced to reduce fuel consumption by 2/3 compared to June.
                    With conventional fuel, the situation was the same: the scale of German operations at the end of 1944-1945. were determined not by the availability of equipment, but by fuel reserves.
                    In parallel with this, the production of other chemical products also fell sharply. First of all - nitrogen, from 60 thousand tons per month to 15-20 thousand tons. And nitrogen is all explosives + various mixtures for aircraft.
                    Steel
                    Ruhr raids - last quarter 44. Production dropped from 2 million tons in September (including occupied territories) to 1 million tons in December, 80% of the drop was due to air raids.

                    And finally, transport. After the bombers and fighter-bombers came to grips with the railway infrastructure and rolling stock, in the second half of 1944, rail traffic within the Reich borders fell four times. And this is not only a disruption in the supply of materials for production, but also a break in inter-factory cooperation - when the product cannot be delivered on time, because the assembly from subcontractors simply did not come.

                    All the same, it took 3 years, and then the losses that the Flying Fortresses suffered then, today not a single Air Force can afford.
                    1. Alexey RA
                      Alexey RA 5 December 2022 18: 03
                      +1
                      Quote: Aron Zaavi
                      Anyway, it took 3 years.

                      Six months. After the Air Force decided to get down to business from the very beginning - from analyzing the enemy's economy, identifying bottlenecks, planning systematic raids and identifying the most vulnerable points of typical targets.
                      And before that the mess took on an enchanting scope. For example, at the same refineries, columns were considered the main targets. No, of course, in terms of clear aiming points, they were excellent. But only for incapacitation they required a direct hit with an armor-piercing bomb. For, taking into account the temperatures and pressures in the operating mode inside the columns, they could easily be attributed to armored targets. After consultations with specialized specialists, it turned out that it was necessary to hit the heat exchangers and other nodes of the internal pipeline network of the refinery.
                2. Thorvlobnor IV
                  Thorvlobnor IV 7 December 2022 00: 14
                  0
                  The energy infrastructure of today's Ukraine was built after WWII with the expectation of a nuclear war, unlike the infrastructure of Germany. The destruction of substations with transformers creates big problems, but they are temporary, because in less than a week reconnection is made through backup channels. It is difficult to maneuver the load during reconnections, so residents suffer from massive blackouts. But only a couple of days, and even the destruction of the Ukrainian energy sector is out of the question - here we need strikes of a completely different scale.
            2. topol717
              topol717 5 December 2022 12: 40
              +2
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              Let me remind you that until October, your army directed all its efforts to defeat the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

              Who is preventing the Army from striking at the decision-making centers in Kyiv? Can't the army do this?
              Who prevents the army from bombing all railway stations and locomotive depots, bridges, who prevents the use of tactical nuclear weapons?
              Who prevents us from declaring that we will consider any military assistance to Kyiv as participation in the war against us? and use nuclear weapons against these states?
              This is how everything is dotted. But for this you need to have EGGS, we only express concern.
              1. Aaron Zawi
                Aaron Zawi 5 December 2022 12: 44
                -2
                Quote from: topol717
                Quote: Aron Zaavi
                Let me remind you that until October, your army directed all its efforts to defeat the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

                Who is preventing the Army from striking at the decision-making centers in Kyiv? Can't the army do this?
                Who prevents the army from bombing all railway stations and locomotive depots, bridges, who prevents the use of tactical nuclear weapons?
                Who prevents us from declaring that we will consider any military assistance to Kyiv as participation in the war against us? and use nuclear weapons against these states?
                This is how everything is dotted. But for this you need to have EGGS, we only express concern.

                Lack of manpower and resources. You understand that you can’t get to the Kyiv bunkers without nuclear weapons.
                1. Bratkov Oleg
                  Bratkov Oleg 5 December 2022 13: 48
                  -1
                  A dagger destroys such a bunker at once. Another thing is that no one sits in the bunkers, and does not wait for the arrival.
                  1. Aaron Zawi
                    Aaron Zawi 5 December 2022 13: 52
                    +2
                    Quote: Bratkov Oleg
                    A dagger destroys such a bunker at once. Another thing is that no one sits in the bunkers, and does not wait for the arrival.

                    Bunkers that were prepared for a global nuclear war even under the USSR.
                    1. Bratkov Oleg
                      Bratkov Oleg 6 December 2022 20: 51
                      0
                      "Dagger", in a non-nuclear version, destroys the bunker, which in the USSR was being prepared for a nuclear war. They already showed it, NATO was in shock.
                      1. Aaron Zawi
                        Aaron Zawi 7 December 2022 02: 35
                        0
                        Quote: Bratkov Oleg
                        "Dagger", in a non-nuclear version, destroys the bunker, which in the USSR was being prepared for a nuclear war. They already showed it, NATO was in shock.

                        This is nonsense.
                2. Planem
                  Planem 6 December 2022 11: 00
                  -1
                  First, Russia has more than enough forces and means for this, many times over. After all, it seems like they were going to confront not only the relatively small, underdeveloped Ukraine, but the entire NATO. And besides, by the way, massive strikes against the electric power industry of Ukraine began only in October, after people like you said that Russia did not have the forces and means, because, they say, they did not destroy the transport infrastructure of this US colony and did not strike at decision-making centers. They never got to the transport infrastructure and decision-making centers, but the Kremlin, when they wanted to, got to the energy infrastructure of Ukraine. Secondly, are your Kyiv bunkers really that important? The vast majority of buildings and structures of the Kyiv regime, the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the Security Service of Ukraine, regional administrations, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, military enlistment offices, etc., which are intended for the work of these bodies and structures, if the Kremlin still wants to, will be quickly destroyed and destroyed without any nuclear weapons. In this case, the leaders of the Kyiv regime will most likely survive, but the administrative infrastructure of this regime will be critically destroyed and at the same time a powerful psychological blow will be dealt to the subordinates of these leaders.
        2. neworange88
          neworange88 5 December 2022 12: 03
          +5
          And who publicly said that these are not our methods?
      6. SKVichyakow
        SKVichyakow 5 December 2022 12: 57
        +3
        Quote from: neworange88
        e88
        Today, 11: 03
        NEW

        +24
        That's right. Here is the result of us playing noble gentlemen and chewing snot. We set up an institute for noble maidens. We don’t want to completely destroy the energy sector of Ukraine, destroy the supply routes for weapons and equipment to Ukraine. Here we get it. And be sure with such an approach as we have, this is just flowers, just the beginning. Soon he will fly to the Kremlin with such an attitude towards the NWO. Continue to take half measures. The Hague is already being prepared, having seen enough of our half-measures and nobility. By the way, when will we start serial production of Geranium-2? A suitable APD-45 engine with a power of 50 hp. we have. GLONASS is. So what's the matter?

        All your questions could be solved under the USSR, but not under the current system.
      7. alekc73
        alekc73 5 December 2022 14: 30
        -1
        Bomb. Day and night. So that there is no time to raise your head. Keep in a black body.
    2. Silver99
      Silver99 5 December 2022 11: 15
      +21
      In the news feed at 10.45, an "unknown" UAV attacked the airfield in Engels, damaged two TU-95M ((((((How long will we chew with this SVO?
      1. UAZ 452
        UAZ 452 5 December 2022 11: 33
        +12
        I am not at all surprised that unknown UAVs fly over the base of strategic aviation and destroy our bombers. I don’t understand one thing: how ONE UAV damaged TWO missile carriers ?! Or are they lined up there, standing wing to wing, so that the eye of the checking stripe-makers will delight with beauty? It seems that our armed forces are always ready to repeat 1941. Even after 9 months of non-war, we are attacked suddenly, treacherously.
        1. Comrade I
          Comrade I 5 December 2022 11: 57
          +18
          "Or they are there in a line, wing to wing are standing ..."
          Naturally, they are worth it. View maps in satellite mode.
          1. UAZ 452
            UAZ 452 5 December 2022 12: 26
            +9
            Yeah ... When we shouted "we can repeat", obviously, it meant - to repeat the year 1941 in all details. But even so - to be unprepared for enemy strikes on their airfields after 9 months ... non-war ... This is already too much. Even our bungling and eyewash should not be unlimited.
            1. Bratkov Oleg
              Bratkov Oleg 5 December 2022 13: 54
              +6
              Quote: UAZ 452
              ... But even so - to be unprepared for enemy strikes on their airfields after 9 months ... non-war ... ...

              But we have cool tank biathlons!
              1. UAZ 452
                UAZ 452 5 December 2022 14: 04
                +2
                Well, yes - just as flyers are used to flying in parades - wing to wing, so equipment was placed at airfields. What? There is no war.
            2. trenkkvaz
              trenkkvaz 5 December 2022 16: 28
              -2
              And that in 1945 our army did not suffer losses?
              1. single-n
                single-n 6 December 2022 09: 34
                +1
                In 1945, the Red Army stood a couple of hundred kilometers from the capital of the Reich, defeating almost all of Germany's allies. Having traveled thousands of kilometers with battles .. And for 9 months we have been storming the village which is visible from Donetsk through binoculars.
        2. RED_ICE
          RED_ICE 5 December 2022 14: 16
          +3
          And this is in the depths of Russia! What if they were given ranged weapons?
        3. Planem
          Planem 6 December 2022 11: 03
          -1
          You are in vain! Shoigu and his generals are always on duty. You can't spoil the Supreme Putin.
      2. Voronezh
        Voronezh 5 December 2022 11: 35
        +14
        Repeatedly already wrote: what about the ships, what about the planes. Technique must be dispersed! Those. in Syria, it reached certain goals, after the Basmachi attacks by drones, they put gabions between the parking lots, which means it still doesn’t reach here. This is the result, if true, one penny drone disables 2-3 multi-million dollar aircraft. Well, what, we have strategic bombers immeasurably ...
      3. vitvit123
        vitvit123 5 December 2022 11: 54
        +9
        In Ryazan, now they wrote, the plane was also damaged ... also count -1
        1. Bratkov Oleg
          Bratkov Oleg 5 December 2022 14: 06
          +3
          In the USSR, even, the military said that the Americans want to unleash a simple war, and in the course of it, knock out the Soviet strategic forces, and then start a nuclear one. But the USSR will not fall for this, the USSR will immediately strike with a swing... Well, other times, other mores.
          1. vitvit123
            vitvit123 5 December 2022 15: 16
            +2
            If, during a simple war, the amers manage to reach the ICBM mines, then they have already won ... then there is no point in bombing them with a nuclear weapon ...
            The planes themselves seem to be related to the syas, but they are just planes .. in a war they die enough, only they seem to be not strategists ... well, our leadership will have an excuse that it seems like it’s just a plane ... it’s not always with atomic weapons, and at the time of the attack there were no missiles on board, which means you can put on the brakes
            1. nellyjuri
              nellyjuri 6 December 2022 14: 06
              0
              Do you know what the word Triad means? It's kind of a trinity. That is, inseparable. One cannot exist without the other.
              1. vitvit123
                vitvit123 6 December 2022 15: 00
                0
                I know what a triad is ... one without the other can be ... explain why there cannot be mines without carrier aircraft?
                For example, I don’t remember that Pakistan, Israel had nuclear submarines or planes .. but they are nuclear powers ..
                Or do you think that if we have a triad, then there is no other? What nonsense .. theoretically there can be four-ad, five-ad, six-ad and ad infinitum, but we still have a triad, but this does not mean that there can be no other ..
                1. nellyjuri
                  nellyjuri 6 December 2022 16: 15
                  0
                  Everything can be. And mines and everything else and everything in general. But if one faulty link appears, the entire load is hung on the rest and it may not withstand - this is the rule of sopromat. But it is the rule for everything.
                  1. vitvit123
                    vitvit123 6 December 2022 16: 19
                    0
                    Why are you writing all this? Otherwise, I don’t understand where you are all leading? .. I don’t see a semantic load ..
      4. SlavaS
        SlavaS 5 December 2022 12: 29
        -3
        https://vk.com/video-31371206_456265388

        you can clearly hear how a fuel truck flies before impact, or maybe an unsuccessful landing
        1. 4ekist
          4ekist 5 December 2022 12: 40
          -1
          SlavaS ......... you can hear how a fuel truck flies before impact, or maybe an unsuccessful landing

          Wait now for the impacts of natural disasters on the remaining energy systems and transport hubs.
    3. Peter1First
      Peter1First 5 December 2022 12: 57
      +2
      It is a pity for the dead, but the bottom line is that again everything was missed! Judging by the posted videos, something fast, loud and bright flew over the gas station in Engels - either a cruise missile or a jet drone. It also exploded not weakly, which means that the high-explosive charge was not a joke. This is hardly carried in a backpack ....
  2. Murmur 55
    Murmur 55 5 December 2022 11: 01
    +26
    Russia has let in too many since the age of 14, too, and now go and figure out who really fled from the neo-Nazis and who came here on the instructions of these. And what can I say, the murderer of Dugina (God rest her soul) arrived calmly and just as calmly left.
    1. Chronos
      Chronos 5 December 2022 11: 38
      +3
      Quote: Murmur 55
      Russia has let in too many since the age of 14, too, and now go and figure out who really fled from the neo-Nazis and who came here on the instructions of these. And what can I say, the murderer of Dugina (God rest her soul) arrived calmly and just as calmly left.

      Without the support of the local population, no "migrants" can actively work. We must admit it. And we already have open "waiters" in Belgorod. And a day later, the news that someone in military uniform was not allowed somewhere. And so it is necessary to strengthen the operational work and the protection of critical facilities. It must be understood that there are no unattainable objects for xxxls.
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    1. nellyjuri
      nellyjuri 5 December 2022 11: 11
      +2
      Sloppiness? I understand that you have a short memory. I don’t think that at the beginning of the XNUMXs, the special services chewed snot, but Nord-Ost did not happen anywhere, but in the center of Moscow.
      If the special services were asleep, then today we would be sitting without electricity and without rail and road traffic. I guarantee you. But you have light at home. And you can go by car in any direction across the country. Because the secret services are working.
      1. Planem
        Planem 6 December 2022 11: 27
        -1
        As for your memory, you can also doubt it, but your loyal feelings are well developed. You just have to write that the Sun also rises over Russia only thanks to the tireless care of the President and the excellent work of his special services. However, His Majesty's special services know how to press the patriotic and communist opposition and dissidents in Russia. Fortunately, there are few of them, and they are unarmed. True, now the Russian special services have a chance to serve not only the European Union, but Russia too. We are waiting for the new oldies and sudoplatovs to show their best qualities, or at least fittings and etingons. While their work is difficult to notice. Terror against local leaders in the new territories, they somehow did not manage to forestall, and in response they did nothing at all.
        1. nellyjuri
          nellyjuri 6 December 2022 13: 27
          0
          And you have loyal feelings for whom? To those who send manuals from the State Department? Or those who financed Udaltsov? Or more? Just do not say that you are not a loyal subject at all. Or serve Russia. You can think what you want, but in fact, having flown a pawn, who accepted the ideas of the puppeteers and believes that he is on the bright side.

          By the way. I do not advise you to be so spiteful in your posts. As a rule, a person is angry that everything is not as you would like, that he fails to influence the minds of people, that he personally loses everywhere and everywhere.
    2. dmi.pris1
      dmi.pris1 5 December 2022 11: 12
      +4
      I didn’t want to wang, but this was just the beginning. And this was more than known in advance. About time to get up ... I understand that many, even in military uniform, did not understand that we were at war. In the New Year, we will all be "under arms". There will be no inaccessible objects
      1. alekseykabanets
        alekseykabanets 5 December 2022 11: 22
        0
        Quote: dmi.pris
        And they will try to demolish us. And it looks like in the New Year we will all be "under arms." There will be no inaccessible objects

        And the eternal question, "Who is to blame and what to do?" And for an adequate answer to these two questions - the term.
        1. ZnaxarJorge
          ZnaxarJorge 5 December 2022 12: 33
          +9
          And don't be afraid. The main culprit of the current misfortune and shame is Putin. Oil and gas guarantor and ammonia patriot.
          1. alekseykabanets
            alekseykabanets 5 December 2022 13: 46
            -3
            Quote from Znaxar George
            And don't be afraid. The main culprit of the current misfortune and shame is Putin. Oil and gas guarantor and ammonia patriot.

            He (Putin) is not the only and not the main culprit. The state expresses the will of the ruling class, and the ruling class in our country is "socially responsible entrepreneurs", such as the Rotenbergs, Potanins, Deripaskas, Abramviches, etc. etc. The main question is "what to do", but the answer to it is guaranteed to fall under the article on extremism (at best). "The day of the Seventh of November is the red day of the calendar," we once taught such a rhyme at school, I don't know why I remembered it.)))
            1. Planem
              Planem 6 December 2022 11: 37
              0
              Not the only one, that's for sure. But who is more important than Putin himself - the President of Russia with power over all branches of power and the Supreme Commander? Is it Abramovich? Probably, it is time for the Supreme Commander to "start for real". Well, or at least remember that Russia is more important than the market, business and sovereign democracy, as well as his favorite friends and buddies with their bottomless pockets.
          2. nellyjuri
            nellyjuri 6 December 2022 16: 23
            -1
            The main culprits who are now raising the war with the government. We have no other authority. And even if it is quickly demolished by some miracle, the new one will not be able to quickly solve all the problems. 17 years proved it.
      2. Chronos
        Chronos 5 December 2022 11: 42
        +3
        Quote: dmi.pris
        I didn’t want to wang, but this was just the beginning. And this was more than known in advance. About time to get up ... I understand that many, even in military uniform, did not understand that we were at war. In the New Year, we will all be "under arms". There will be no inaccessible objects

        Why start? Continuation. Oil supply plant in the Rostov region, Novofedorvka, a warehouse in Armyansk, an airfield near Kaluga, power lines of the Kursk nuclear power plant, Dugin. Recent news about a downed UAV over Rostov. And of course the Crimean bridge. Groups that were preparing actions at the Kursk nuclear power plant, the oil pipeline near Volgograd and the Turkish Stream were detained. They work all over the country. Somewhere they are caught, but it does not always work out.
        1. dmi.pris1
          dmi.pris1 5 December 2022 11: 48
          +2
          Yes, this is just the beginning, unfortunately. There will be hundreds of such objects. I am writing this with an eye to be vigilant. they will not cope with air defense and police.
          1. Chronos
            Chronos 5 December 2022 11: 57
            +2
            Quote: dmi.pris
            Yes, this is just the beginning, unfortunately. There will be hundreds of such objects. I am writing this with an eye to be vigilant. they will not cope with air defense and police.

            Of course, we must remember the beginning of the 00s. The situation is similar. Everyone must be vigilant.
          2. SKVichyakow
            SKVichyakow 5 December 2022 13: 10
            -1
            Quote: dmi.pris
            Yes, this is just the beginning, unfortunately. There will be hundreds of such objects. I am writing this with an eye to be vigilant. they will not cope with air defense and police.

            I will give a simple example. Everyone probably watched the construction of the Kerch bridge. Sometimes I watched Korsakov. Two videos with the issuance of the exact coordinates of the area being filmed caught my eye. Now I think for what purpose did he do it?
          3. Planem
            Planem 6 December 2022 11: 41
            -1
            In general, the highest authorities in Russia should organize an increase in vigilance, as well as take other measures throughout the country. That's why it exists, and safely. And only she has the authority to do so. Give appropriate instructions, establish control over their execution, start negligent and incompetent, finally, dismiss or even attract. And if necessary, then introduce martial law or at least other legal regimes in many territories or even in all of Russia in order to make it easier to organize the fight against enemies and traitors. And we can only discuss what is happening here and express our personal opinion.
        2. nellyjuri
          nellyjuri 6 December 2022 16: 30
          0
          You're right. I already wrote that the work of any services on which the life of people and their well-being depends, it is not visible. But their failures are in plain sight. And those who criticize them, those cretins who are absolutely useless in their occupation. Or bloggers or managers.
      3. Sotskiy
        Sotskiy 5 December 2022 12: 34
        +4
        Quote: dmi.pris
        There will be no inaccessible objects

        We are managing so far wink

        04.11.2022/XNUMX/XNUMX Sovetsky microdistrict, Rostov-on-Don
        https://ro.today/18095-u-zhitelej-rostova-vyzvali-ljubopytstvo-strannyj-sled-v-nebe-i-hlopok.html
        1. Sotskiy
          Sotskiy 5 December 2022 12: 59
          +2
          Quote: Sovetskiy
          Quote: dmi.pris
          There will be no inaccessible objects

          We are managing so far wink

          04.11.2022/XNUMX/XNUMX Sovetsky microdistrict, Rostov-on-Don
          https://ro.today/18095-u-zhitelej-rostova-vyzvali-ljubopytstvo-strannyj-sled-v-nebe-i-hlopok.html

          Date wrong, sorry. It was yesterday, that is, 04.12.2022/XNUMX/XNUMX.
          1. dmi.pris1
            dmi.pris1 5 December 2022 13: 11
            0
            Well, God forbid, whatever happens. Good luck to air defense workers hiBy the way, not far from you, in the Kuban. It is still quiet here. In Tikhoretsk they said that air defense was working, but this is apparently not the case
  4. NSV
    NSV 5 December 2022 11: 03
    +14
    How many years have tankers not exploded, but here...!
  5. iouris
    iouris 5 December 2022 11: 03
    +1
    This has never happened and now ...
    And who's special?
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  6. Grandfather Mozai
    Grandfather Mozai 5 December 2022 11: 05
    +5
    On the morning of December 5, information about the strike appeared
    drone at the Engels airfield in the Saratov region and a fire
    tanker at the Dyagilevo air base in Ryazan.

    As reported, in the first case, we are talking about two injured and two damaged Tu-95MS missile carriers. There is no complete information on the second incident yet.

    One could say that two events on the same day are an accident, but at both airfields (this is public information) there are units of long-range aviation used to strike at objects of the Ukrainian energy system.

    If in the case of the Ryazan region it can be assumed that the UAV was launched from the territory of Ukraine, then there are doubts about Engels. With a high degree of probability, the drone worked from Russian territory, which means that Ukrainian sabotage and reconnaissance groups have already reached the banks of the Volga. If the drone flew in from Ukraine, then the Armed Forces of Ukraine already have technologies with a range of 1000 km, which means Moscow is under attack. Conclusion one: counter-terrorism measures on the territory of the Russian Federation should be strengthened to the maximum, retaliation strikes should be continued tenfold. Until Russian responses have a massive effect, such attacks will continue.
    Readovka
    1. Glaaki
      Glaaki 5 December 2022 13: 28
      0
      Wow, my God, how harshly it is written ... But there is still a difference between "write" and "make it a reality".
    2. ROSS_51
      ROSS_51 5 December 2022 13: 45
      +8
      Actually, this is our air component of the nuclear triad. These are strategists!
      And in peacetime, they should be guarded like the apple of an eye, and now it’s like that a hundred times over. The Crimean bridge is nothing compared to this.
      And then NATO receives such information as a gift.
      What the hell are we doing?
      1. evgen81
        evgen81 5 December 2022 14: 25
        +1
        A good gift, 1 tu95 is 6 warheads, if anything, they will receive 12 less nuclear strikes.
        1. Arsen1
          Arsen1 5 December 2022 18: 54
          0
          Do you seriously think that in the event of a full-scale war, slow-moving strategists will fly somewhere there, subject to the total superiority of NATO aviation?
          1. evgen81
            evgen81 5 December 2022 19: 57
            0
            I hope so. That at least will have time to shoot.
          2. ROSS_51
            ROSS_51 5 December 2022 21: 26
            +1
            Quote: Arsen1
            Do you seriously think that in the event of a full-scale war, slow-moving strategists will fly somewhere there, subject to the total superiority of NATO aviation?

            Well, if it smells of fried, they will fly on patrol again. And their patrol route is all the way to England. And to intercept the Bear quietly will not work.
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 5 December 2022 11: 05
    +2
    Haven't there been too many explosions and fires lately? Of course, the cause will be established, but maybe it is worth paying more attention to compliance with TB measures, increasing responsibility and asking for violations more strictly and vertically? Condolences to the families of the victims.
  8. FoBoss_VM
    FoBoss_VM 5 December 2022 11: 06
    +1
    All pancake on half fedora. Not a war, but some kind of crap .. Wangyu that they will blow up the next atomic strategist somewhere at the base
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 5 December 2022 11: 23
      +2
      Quote from: FoBoss_VM
      Wangyu that they will blow up the next atomic strategist somewhere at the base

      They croaked... already blown up... two strategists are damaged.
      1. ROSS_51
        ROSS_51 5 December 2022 13: 56
        +3
        He's talking about other strategists .. Such long, black ..
  9. vadimtt
    vadimtt 5 December 2022 11: 07
    +6
    What is a fuel truck? What is it that now flies on gasoline, AN2?
    And kerosene from a spark or a cigarette butt, and even in winter - it is necessary to try.
    1. Ka-52
      Ka-52 5 December 2022 11: 20
      +2
      What is a fuel truck? What is it that now flies on gasoline, AN2?

      not called "fuel truck". They call it a "tanker", and in slang it is more often "tit" or "can"
      1. vadimtt
        vadimtt 5 December 2022 12: 15
        -1
        I didn't know about the boobs, thanks! Symbolically.
  10. rocket757
    rocket757 5 December 2022 11: 07
    -3
    What can I say ... the investigation will sort it out.
    There is a real war going on and everything should be considered from this angle.
  11. arnulla
    arnulla 5 December 2022 11: 08
    +8
    In Engels, if I'm not mistaken, the TU-160 is based ...
    If they received damage, then this is a complete paragraph
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 5 December 2022 11: 15
      -5
      It is quiet at the airfield, there is no video with smoke. Only the police near the flying town. See the social networks of these cities.
    2. Grandfather Mozai
      Grandfather Mozai 5 December 2022 11: 21
      +18
      Make no mistake, Tu-160 and Tu-95. now everything will be classified so that the Khokhol does not celebrate the victory, and then Maxmar will show the pictures, you know the continuation. I would like to be wrong, but for 9 months I already have no illusions, they beat on bridges, oil depots, airfields, thrashed strategists, Daria Dugin was killed near Moscow, what's next? Strange military operation.
    3. ROSS_51
      ROSS_51 5 December 2022 21: 34
      0
      Quote: arnulla
      In Engels, if I'm not mistaken, the TU-160 is based ...
      If they received damage, then this is a complete paragraph

      Maksar published pictures on 28.11. Then there were only 4 Tu-160s there. It seems there is already infa that the Tu-95MS are damaged.
      https://topcor.ru/29769-zapadnaja-razvedka-pokazala-podgotovku-rossijskih-strategov-pered-ocherednym-udarom-po-ukraine.html?yrwinfo=1670265074688254-9428853432073612998-vla1-3419-vla-l7-balancer-8080-BAL-5150
  12. Pulkovo1942
    Pulkovo1942 5 December 2022 11: 08
    +18
    A tanker exploded at an airfield near Ryazan

    Yeah, the mantras went again: cotton, fire, a thrown cigarette butt, etc. The tanker also exploded on its own?
    Even reading is disgusting.
    1. VladMirU
      VladMirU 5 December 2022 14: 50
      +2
      Let's wait and see what our chief of information from the MoD comes up with about this. Probably something incredible. Something that will justify both the Moscow Region and the FSB. Probably again they will find a half-smoked goby from the deceased soldier from the guard ......
  13. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 5 December 2022 11: 08
    -1
    Also, the option of violating safety regulations when refueling an aircraft or other actions with this tanker is not ruled out. This version is more like the real one

    However, this is hard to believe.
    We need to check the cameras with CCTV recordings ... if they are of course ... if they are not there, this is gouging and wrecking.
  14. Ivan Ivanov
    Ivan Ivanov 5 December 2022 11: 09
    +3
    Regarding the explosion at the Engels air base. According to unofficial information, a drone (which type is not indicated) flew in and damaged two planes. If they missed from the side of Ukraine, right up to Engels, then this is a clear flaw in air defense, if a terrorist group was launched from the territory of the Russian Federation (as we have in Crimea in a couple of cases), then that is a flaw in the special services. In any case, the possibility of such attacks must be taken into account, since NATO, through the hands of its Ukrainian puppets, will seek to strike at the Russian military infrastructure, this is extremely obvious.
    1. engineer74
      engineer74 5 December 2022 12: 17
      +4
      EMNIP, strikes and sabotage on the infrastructure of strategic nuclear forces and early warning systems are equated to a nuclear attack ... recourse
      1. forty-eighth
        forty-eighth 5 December 2022 12: 26
        +3
        It remains to understand where it came from. If you try to plot flight vectors from Ukraine, then at least don’t try, but all directions go through the Rostov, Kursk or Belgorod regions. And there, the air defense is still on alert and not on paper, but for real. In my opinion, arrivals from there to the Ryazan and Saratov regions are unlikely.
        I see two options: launching from the Black Sea by a "third party" and launching from our territory by saboteurs. Everything else seems unimaginable to me.
        1. 4ekist
          4ekist 5 December 2022 12: 49
          +4
          forty-eighth .... If you try to lay the flight vectors from Ukraine, then at least don’t try, but all directions go through the Rostov, Kursk or Belgorod regions.

          I think everything is much simpler: it flew in from the window sill of a residential building in the city of Engels (Ryazan) or from the side of a village road.
          1. spirit
            spirit 5 December 2022 13: 56
            +2
            Well, yes, we have trucks loaded with tons of Explosives rolling along the roads (Crimean Bridge). So I won’t be surprised that the Deversion Cells can easily buy civilian drones and hang explosives on them and sit and wait for a moment, watching from the copters when a fuel truck arrives on the runway to refuel the strategists .
      2. albert
        albert 5 December 2022 14: 24
        0
        Quote: engineer74
        EMNIP, strikes and sabotage on the infrastructure of strategic nuclear forces and early warning systems are equated to a nuclear attack ...

        This is so. But ho khly will say that they have nothing to do with it, and there will be no nuclear strike on Kyiv. Although this is a DIRECT reason.
        1. engineer74
          engineer74 5 December 2022 16: 34
          0
          You can also answer "asymmetrically" - "temporarily" deploy two regiments of unpaved Yars - "to compensate for retired carriers" ...
  15. evgen1221
    evgen1221 5 December 2022 11: 09
    +1
    According to safety regulations, it’s definitely past, but they’ll write it off for this. But sympathizers or someone on relatives there was blackmailed very likely
  16. alexander 66
    alexander 66 5 December 2022 11: 13
    +21
    Honestly, there are no words. They hit the nuclear deterrent. Saboteurs are clearly both Ukrainians and in power. MO got pissed on the most not indulge. I don't want to see or hear them.
    1. 4ekist
      4ekist 5 December 2022 12: 55
      +1
      alexandr 66 ...Honestly, there are no words. They hit the nuclear deterrent.

      Yeah . It's the same as hitting the silo (launcher) of a YARS missile. It seems to me that it was not in vain that recently satellite images of the air were shown on TV. Engels made from Amer's satellites.
    2. Glaaki
      Glaaki 5 December 2022 13: 35
      +4
      Wait, wait, now they will promptly release a briefing in which everything will be fine. Let's say some Unter-Oberrottensturmscharführer Pan Pizdoychuk is destroyed.
  17. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 5 December 2022 11: 13
    -5
    In Engels, they mention an explosion at some kind of "old bridge." So far, nothing is clear, Khokholbots are dispersing panic in the social networks of Saratov and Engels.
    1. 4ekist
      4ekist 5 December 2022 12: 57
      0
      tralflot1832 ....hokhlobots disperse panic in the social networks of Saratov and Engels.

      Yes, these creatures vilify wherever possible.
  18. Boniface
    Boniface 5 December 2022 11: 13
    +3
    It's strange, every week there are some explosions (a gas pipeline in the Leningrad region, a tank at an oil depot in the Bryansk region) now this is it - at the airfield where the IL-76 is based carrying "felt boots for the children of the Congo" - no, you don’t need to look under the "prism"!
    Only silence in official bodies is somehow annoying!
    just like in Utyosov's song -
    All is well, beautiful marquise,
    Things are going and life is easy
    Not a single sad surprise
    With the exception of a trifle:
    So, bullshit, an empty thing,
    Your mare has slain
    And the rest, beautiful marquise,
    All is well, all is well!


    Per day:
    - three gas explosions in residential buildings in different cities of Russia;
    - two explosions at airfields.

    Norm?
    Or has it always been like this?
  19. Pulkovo1942
    Pulkovo1942 5 December 2022 11: 15
    0
    By the way, if Russia planned a missile attack on infrastructure today, now it has definitely been thwarted.
    1. fighter angel
      fighter angel 5 December 2022 11: 22
      -4
      What the hell are you talking nonsense?
      What, the last two sides were damaged and there is nothing more to fly on?
      It would be better to keep quiet - you look, and they would pass for a smart one.
      1. Peter1First
        Peter1First 5 December 2022 13: 11
        +4
        Unambiguously thwarted - until they check the technical condition of the remaining machines, infrastructure, the possibilities of new attacks, sabotage, and so on, scoundrels, adjust the reduced list of targets ....
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 5 December 2022 11: 26
      0
      The opposite reaction is also possible.
    3. fighter angel
      fighter angel 5 December 2022 11: 43
      +1
      Here's a story about a type of "torn off" missile strike. RIA Novosti, RT reported in the news feed for 10.58. THAT AN AIR ALERT IS CURRENTLY ALREADY DECLARED IN FIVE AREAS.
      1. Pulkovo1942
        Pulkovo1942 5 December 2022 12: 00
        +5
        THAT AN AIR ALERT IS CURRENTLY ALREADY DECLARED IN FIVE AREAS.

        The air raid alert throughout Ukraine is set every day 5-6 times every day.
        1. fighter angel
          fighter angel 5 December 2022 12: 19
          +1
          But I don't have that information. Where is your information from?
          1. ROSS_51
            ROSS_51 5 December 2022 21: 47
            0
            Quote: fighter angel
            But I don't have that information. Where is your information from?

            Ukrainians have an application on their mobile phones with a map of the regions where the air raid alert has been declared. A friend has a mother in Ukraine, I know from him.
            1. fighter angel
              fighter angel 6 December 2022 09: 53
              0
              To believe in Khokhlozodym is not to respect yourself. But you continue - after the mother of a friend, the daughters themselves, the brothers, the sons of the Crimean officers, will appear. You yourself will not notice how you turn into a hochlorrelay and dance to their tune!
              1. ROSS_51
                ROSS_51 7 December 2022 02: 22
                0
                Quote: fighter angel
                To believe in Khokhlozodym is not to respect yourself. But you continue - after the mother of a friend, the daughters themselves, the brothers, the sons of the Crimean officers, will appear. You yourself will not notice how you turn into a hochlorrelay and dance to their tune!

                I am already so many years old that I still served with them in the SA, but I have not lost critical thinking, unlike people like you. And I never danced to anyone's tune, so it's not for you to teach me life.
                1. fighter angel
                  fighter angel 7 December 2022 10: 13
                  0
                  Age, respected, is not an indicator of wisdom and intelligence.
                  Sometimes age comes alone...
                  Do not think that you are the oldest here, I am not a kid either, and I also have a lot of years.
                  No one teaches you life, calm down. They warn you. Less listen to what "from there" they say. Because there is a sub-state deeply hostile to our country.
                  1. ROSS_51
                    ROSS_51 7 December 2022 20: 08
                    0
                    Quote: fighter angel
                    They warn you. Less listen to what "from there" they say. Because there is a sub-state deeply hostile to our country.

                    Where from there? This man works with me, he has been living in Russia for 25 years. His mother is in Ukraine, a person worries about her when an air raid alert is announced there.
                    If you suddenly don’t know, we have millions of Ukrainians who grew up in Ukraine in the USSR, but live in Russia.
                    He warns me..
                    But I don't have that information. Where is your information from?

                    Threat Prog Maps of air alerts in Ukraine is googled for one or two .. you will also have such information .. 21st century in the yard .. if you don’t know what Google Play is, please contact me, I will explain.
                    1. fighter angel
                      fighter angel 20 December 2022 16: 30
                      0
                      This man, if he really worried about Mother, would have moved her here to Russia long ago.
                      Air alert maps in Ukraine are compiled where, dear?
                      That's right, in the same place in Ukraine.
                      Because it's a dumb app.
                      And why the hell do I need this information from a deeply hostile state?
                      It's the same as if in the Union during the war, they would issue a daily map of Germany's aerial bombardments ACCORDING TO GERMANY ITSELF! Firstly, there is no faith, and secondly, we did not absolutely need it then, and even more so now.
                      So explain yourself here.
                      The "Googleplay" explainer was found here!
        2. Chronos
          Chronos 5 December 2022 12: 42
          0
          Quote: Pulkovo1942
          THAT AN AIR ALERT IS CURRENTLY ALREADY DECLARED IN FIVE AREAS.

          The air raid alert throughout Ukraine is set every day 5-6 times every day.

          Because this is a reaction to the departures of aircraft and the entry into the sea of ​​ships. And whether there will be a blow or not - they do not know.
  20. Hadji Murat
    Hadji Murat 5 December 2022 11: 15
    +7
    Base of strategic missile carriers without cover with beeches, shells, etc.? For such all the bosses of yours from the service without a pension, or even under a tribunal
    1. UAZ 452
      UAZ 452 5 December 2022 11: 50
      +1
      And how will beeches and shells help when attacked by a small-sized quadrocopter launched from the nearest gardening, flying over the fence itself and dropping a hand grenade on a fuel truck (how one quadric damaged TWO aircraft in Engels - I didn’t understand this)? Here, rather, electronic warfare would be effective, but there are big doubts about the selectivity of our systems, and you cannot launch non-selective ones (which clog everything and everyone with interference) at your own airfield - the end of your own communications, avionics, direction finding, etc.
      1. trenkkvaz
        trenkkvaz 5 December 2022 16: 33
        +1
        It is possible to defend against such attacks only by placing aircraft in hangars.
        There are no magical means to guarantee the detection and shooting down of all UAVs.
  21. Eva Star
    Eva Star 5 December 2022 11: 15
    +18
    And so we have. NATO delivered heavy equipment to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, ours were silent. NATO destroyed the northern streams, ours were silent. NATO produces on its territory ammunition for the Armed Forces of Ukraine and trains terrorists, ours are silent. Now NATO is producing heavy drones for Ukraine for strikes on Russian territory in order to knock out our strategic forces, the question is, are we really a huge nuclear power? Why can't you take a civilian drone on Aliexpress with a range of 100 km and attack one of the NATO bases or just fuel from Kaliningrad? NATO is on the path of escalation, if there is no response now, the situation will only get worse. The West will simply see that there is no answer, and everything will be supplied to Ukraine, from missiles to aircraft.
    1. Ivan Ivanov
      Ivan Ivanov 5 December 2022 11: 21
      +24
      If a nuclear power is headed by partners, consider that it does not have nuclear weapons.
      1. albert
        albert 5 December 2022 14: 26
        +1
        Quote: IvanIvanov
        If a nuclear power is headed by partners, consider that it does not have nuclear weapons.

        That's right, the example of Gorby. And grouse Putin.
        1. single-n
          single-n 6 December 2022 09: 39
          0
          You still have forgotten the fight-drunk with his Minister of Foreign Affairs, "Mr. yes." But how he danced!
    2. BorzRio
      BorzRio 5 December 2022 11: 42
      +8
      Excuse me, can we rewind a bit? What happened. Let's say that a Ukro-pilot, no matter where it took off from, flew to the airfield of strategists and there jumped on military aircraft. What's the first thing that comes to mind? Each special object has a nomenclature of protection modes. There are modes of strengthening of protection and other. There are personnel, machinery and equipment for security. There are channels of communication and response. And there are responsible each in his post and position.
      If an emergency of this kind happened, then someone in his position or position sabotaged his duties or violated the charter and instructions.
      This means that "responding to the enemy" will not change anything in terms of security. First of all, the committed violations should be corrected, the guilty and their bosses should be punished as severely as possible, and security should be strengthened. And not for a couple of days, but for the whole time of the NWO.
      1. spirit
        spirit 5 December 2022 14: 05
        0
        First of all, the committed violations should be corrected, the most severely guilty should be punished.
        So maybe the Russian airfield is far away, so they decided that the war definitely won’t reach them. For good, as you wrote, at least several groups of operational visual observation should be created, which will be involved in such events as refueling aircraft. A whole strategy of security measures should be developed.
    3. UAZ 452
      UAZ 452 5 December 2022 12: 00
      +5
      NATO delivered heavy equipment to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, ours were silent. NATO destroyed the northern streams, ours were silent. NATO produces on its territory ammunition for the Armed Forces of Ukraine and trains terrorists, ours are silent.

      We haven't run out of red line paint yet. And apparently - these reserves we have are simply bottomless ...
      1. single-n
        single-n 6 December 2022 09: 41
        +1
        And how many crayons are stocked !! And how many concerns! We can express it on a global scale 24/7 for many more years to come. And you say that there is no production. :)
  22. Million
    Million 5 December 2022 11: 20
    +5
    Until he arrives in the Kremlin, nothing will begin.
  23. Deon59
    Deon59 5 December 2022 11: 22
    +16
    Now imagine what would happen if you fought with more serious opponents.
    1. opuonmed
      opuonmed 5 December 2022 11: 32
      +2
      everything and everything would have been unraveled from the air, and that’s all of them, NATO would not have taken care of the civilian population! they would have a goal to win, but how it doesn’t matter anymore! it’s good that the Russian Federation has nuclear forces without them it would be very sad!
    2. BorzRio
      BorzRio 5 December 2022 11: 33
      +4
      There would be nothing. Our leaders would simply have already sat at the table in front of the NATO generals and with bowed heads would have signed the surrender.
  24. Valery Bordukov
    Valery Bordukov 5 December 2022 11: 23
    +2
    Bank smash and a couple of airfields!
  25. Battle Toads
    Battle Toads 5 December 2022 11: 24
    -2
    Quote from Deon59
    Now imagine what would happen if you fought with more serious opponents.


    But is there really more serious than NATO?
    1. UAZ 452
      UAZ 452 5 December 2022 12: 05
      +8
      So far, the degree of NATO participation in the conflict does not exceed, say, the level of support from the USSR for the countries of the Arab coalition in the Arab-Israeli conflicts. But for some reason, this help did not help the Arabs, but the Ukrainians - very much so. But just as help in the 60s did not mean the direct participation of the USSR in the war, so now NATO is not at war with the Russian Federation. But if it starts, it will be more than serious. The current CBO will seem like a warm-up in the sandbox. Or disagree?
      1. Chronos
        Chronos 5 December 2022 12: 39
        +2
        Quote: UAZ 452
        So far, the degree of NATO participation in the conflict does not exceed, say, the level of support from the USSR for the countries of the Arab coalition in the Arab-Israeli conflicts. But for some reason, this help did not help the Arabs, but the Ukrainians - very much so. But just as help in the 60s did not mean the direct participation of the USSR in the war, so now NATO is not at war with the Russian Federation. But if it starts, it will be more than serious. The current CBO will seem like a warm-up in the sandbox. Or disagree?

        The USSR did not send thousands of PMC fighters, and did not provide satellite and AWACS intelligence data. And he did not guide missiles. NATO does everything but the most direct and direct involvement.
        1. UAZ 452
          UAZ 452 5 December 2022 13: 01
          +4
          NATO does everything but the most direct and direct involvement.

          So in this "except" there is the most fundamental difference!
          1. art having
            art having 6 December 2022 09: 20
            -1
            "So in this "except" there is the most fundamental difference!"

            Disagree! There are no such idiots who are ready to sacrifice themselves and sit waist-deep in mud in NATO ..
            Quote: UAZ 452
            NATO does everything but the most direct and direct involvement.

            So in this "except" there is the most fundamental difference!


            Disagree. Sitting up to your waist in the mud in the trenches and dying by the thousands a day in NATO is not ..
        2. setter
          setter 5 December 2022 13: 54
          +2
          The USSR did not send thousands of PMC fighters, and did not provide satellite and AWACS intelligence data.

          Truth? Did not send and did not send and did not provide? And how did I get there already in 1984? By chance?
          In 1972 alone, 20 Soviet military advisers were expelled from Egypt alone. Did the Arabs shoot down Israelis on Soviet planes? And the raid of Ariel Sharon and the crossing of the Suez Canal, whose satellite constellation spotted?
  26. opuonmed
    opuonmed 5 December 2022 11: 24
    0
    it didn’t catch fire here, but here it caught fire, it smells like sabotage! how is it, as I understand it, according to some telegrams, there were strategists! well, that's not accurate!
  27. Battle Toads
    Battle Toads 5 December 2022 11: 25
    -6
    Quote: IvanIvanov
    If a nuclear power is headed by partners, consider that it does not have nuclear weapons.


    It's good that the nuclear suitcase is still trusted by people with endurance and not by different psychos stop
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  28. Shamil88
    Shamil88 5 December 2022 11: 28
    +12
    Even if Putin flies through the window in the Kremlin, we probably won’t start hitting the leadership of Ukraine, it’s impossible to kill a snake by hitting the tail, these terpils will never start to fight for real, because papers depicting dead American presidents have replaced eggs, honor, conscience, pride . Soon the DRG Khokh.lov will start throwing grenades into the mines with the Sarmatian, even if hitting the SNF does not change anything, then this can be considered a drain of the NWO
  29. BorzRio
    BorzRio 5 December 2022 11: 31
    +6
    Probably, until something exploding arrives in Kanashenkov’s garage or Gerasimov’s dacha, nothing will change in this kingdom of chaos
  30. Battle Toads
    Battle Toads 5 December 2022 11: 31
    -10
    Quote: Shamil88
    Even if Putin flies through the window in the Kremlin, we probably won’t start hitting the leadership of Ukraine, it’s impossible to kill a snake by hitting the tail, these terpils will never start to fight for real, because papers depicting dead American presidents have replaced eggs, honor, conscience, pride . Soon the DRG Khokh.lov will start throwing grenades into the mines with the Sarmatian, even if hitting the SNF does not change anything, then this can be considered a drain of the NWO


    OK. Start fighting for real. Yes, at least organize a round-the-clock patrol around the local airfield. good
    1. Shamil88
      Shamil88 5 December 2022 11: 36
      +9
      So the first guard came running, your answer looks like liquid, don’t tell me what to do if you don’t want to be sent on an erotic journey
    2. Kronos
      Kronos 5 December 2022 12: 27
      +7
      These are the tasks of the authorities and the army, not the civilian population.
    3. single-n
      single-n 6 December 2022 09: 46
      +1
      Forces of civilian patrols? With double-barreled shotguns in your spare time? Here the snowfalls are coming. You do not demand from public utilities to clear them. Do your own snow removal. It's so simple. By the way, if you take on the heating of the house, the supply of water and the removal of garbage, then you will greatly help the country.
  31. SlavaS
    SlavaS 5 December 2022 11: 37
    +4
    https://topcor.ru/29868-istochniki-soobschajut-ob-udare-bespilotnika-po-ajerodromu-bazirovanija-tu-95ms.html?utm_source=warfiles.ru

    Yes, look at the videos, they supplied the greenery with long-range missiles.

    Soon, satellite images with damage will surface, Lithuania or Estonia, one of them recommended bombing airfields in the Russian Federation.
  32. Dmitrii
    Dmitrii 5 December 2022 11: 39
    +2
    Quote from Silver99
    In the news feed at 10.45, an "unknown" UAV attacked the airfield in Engels, damaged two TU-95M ((((((How long will we chew with this SVO?

    Recently, in one of the Western media, I published a photo from a satellite over this airfield, so there were planes nearby, so apparently it arrived. If I am not mistaken, then our authorities warned that they would shoot down satellites in such cases. I think it's a worthy reason. There was no way to lose such 2 aircraft. Eh...
  33. Lom_2
    Lom_2 5 December 2022 11: 42
    +1
    The war can be won in a day if the bridges across the Dnieper are bombed. Or they will bomb us.
  34. Battle Toads
    Battle Toads 5 December 2022 11: 46
    -10
    Quote: Shamil88
    So the first guard came running, your answer looks like liquid, don’t tell me what to do if you don’t want to be sent on an erotic journey


    Have you already organized round-the-clock duty at the local airfield? And then scratching the tongue and throwing slogans anyone can handle drinks
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 5 December 2022 14: 02
      +4
      Quote from BattleToads
      Have you set up a XNUMX hour service? at the local airport?

      Let's go together. We will shoot down drones with hats!
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  36. Viktor fm
    Viktor fm 5 December 2022 12: 02
    +5
    Q.E.D. Incompetent leadership. Incompetent command. They probably graduated from the wrong schools.
    1. 4ekist
      4ekist 5 December 2022 12: 21
      -11
      Viktor fm: Which is what was required to be proved. Incompetent leadership .... command.

      And you, our comrade, are probably very competent, your mind is overflowing and the educational institution, apparently, graduated from the appropriate one.
  37. Viktor fm
    Viktor fm 5 December 2022 12: 03
    +1
    We are moving towards a nuclear clash by leaps and bounds.
    1. VladMirU
      VladMirU 5 December 2022 15: 12
      +1
      Naturally. If our Defense Ministry, led by the Civil Code, is not capable of waging war or NMD with conventional weapons, then nuclear weapons remain. And that means we all just need to die ......
  38. Battle Toads
    Battle Toads 5 December 2022 12: 07
    -10
    Quote: Viktor fm
    Q.E.D. Incompetent leadership. Incompetent command. They probably graduated from the wrong schools.


    And how can you personally confirm your competence to give competent comments to a level of command that, in your opinion, is incompetent? feel
  39. Romario_Argo
    Romario_Argo 5 December 2022 12: 09
    -16
    it seems that not everyone is cold in Ukraine yet - we will fix it
  40. Battle Toads
    Battle Toads 5 December 2022 12: 10
    -10
    Quote: UAZ 452
    So far, the degree of NATO participation in the conflict does not exceed, say, the level of support from the USSR for the countries of the Arab coalition in the Arab-Israeli conflicts. But for some reason, this help did not help the Arabs, but the Ukrainians - very much so. But just as help in the 60s did not mean the direct participation of the USSR in the war, so now NATO is not at war with the Russian Federation. But if it starts, it will be more than serious. The current CBO will seem like a warm-up in the sandbox. Or disagree?


    Of course I don't agree. A special military operation is essentially an anti-terrorist operation on a military scale. And in a real war, when the enemy is already in full view, no one will play Antiterror with him drinks
    1. VladMirU
      VladMirU 5 December 2022 15: 15
      +3
      And now the enemy is not in full view? Or give it to you on a silver platter........
  41. APASUS
    APASUS 5 December 2022 12: 31
    +5
    Explosion of a tanker at a military airfield? There are no such coincidences.
  42. Daishi
    Daishi 5 December 2022 12: 34
    +7
    Soon in the news, there was nothing, you are all lying
  43. Ghost1
    Ghost1 5 December 2022 12: 40
    +4
    Will there be an answer or conclusions drawn. Or again they test the depth of our red lines.
  44. Grandfather Mozai
    Grandfather Mozai 5 December 2022 12: 44
    +8
    And when a saboteur blew up the KA-52 helicopters near Pskov, we were all seething here, discussing this news that there were no fences at the airfields, a video surveillance system, and finally get a couple of shepherd dogs .. so it won’t go further, it is necessary to solve the flaws that have been revealed CBO, it was a month ago,.. well, hello strategists, the country's nuclear triad! How long? Shoulder straps in place? When will we take our heads out of the sand?
    1. UAZ 452
      UAZ 452 5 December 2022 14: 21
      +3
      Well, the command of the Engel airbase, knowing that they have a fence, and maybe even a couple of shepherd dogs, calmly read about the incident near Pskov and sincerely believed that it did not concern them. We always prepare not even for the last war, but for the last battle. Planning, forecasting is not ours. The main thing is that the notes are kept, and the accounting journals are laced up, and the pages in them are numbered. If there are all signatures and seals, there can be no guilty parties, no matter what happens. And if a switchman is needed, they will appoint him anyway, and then he won’t help, even if he performed all the duties exemplarily, and not just on paper. Such realities of our army, and indeed the state system, bring up formalism in combination with fatalism (indifference). And these are just natural consequences.
  45. Bomb
    Bomb 5 December 2022 12: 52
    +19
    It's funny to read mother's warriors. One writes that NATA has not yet inserted the soldering iron into the anus very deeply and you can still be patient until they insert it deeper, the second cries that it is so difficult for the military to "perform" their tasks, you yourself would first try. All hohlyandiya already laughs and cries over you.
  46. Hindu
    Hindu 5 December 2022 13: 09
    -11
    Quote from BattleToads
    Quote from Deon59
    Now imagine what would happen if you fought with more serious opponents.


    But is there really more serious than NATO?


    The answer to your direct question is yes, there is. For the Russian Federation, China is a more serious enemy than NATO. The goal of the West is to subjugate the Russian Federation. The goal of China is to destroy as unnecessary.
    The answer to your veiled question is that Russia is not at war with NATO. Thank God.
    1. Glaaki
      Glaaki 5 December 2022 13: 40
      +3
      The goal of China is to destroy as unnecessary.

      And now you're like - r--time! - and you throw proofs at such loud words.
    2. VladMirU
      VladMirU 5 December 2022 15: 18
      0
      You convey this idea to Putin. The text of your comment is short, but capacious and, according to the site administration, carries useful information.
  47. Romanenko
    Romanenko 5 December 2022 13: 36
    +2
    It is clear that the relevant units of the FSB are also involved in the investigation of the more frequent incidents here and there with fuel depots, and now with tankers.
    In view of the more frequent "accidents", more and more people believe in patterns, and this is also unacceptable from the point of view of the image and ideological issues of the country's life in the conditions of the Northern Military District.
    It is clear that there will be no information from the FSB and the Ministry of Internal Affairs about the data of the investigation of these events in the press, and it is not necessary.
    The result of their work is important, it is time to stop all these things with arrivals in the deep rear and very tough.
  48. TAMBU
    TAMBU 5 December 2022 13: 46
    +2
    if I'm not mistaken, the doctrine of the use of nuclear weapons implies the use of nuclear weapons in the event that the enemy attacks the infrastructure for the delivery of this very nuclear weapon ... as I understand it, the Russian Federation should lose the Armed Forces of Ukraine as humiliatingly as possible so that changes begin in the army and not only ... approximately like Russian-Japanese. ..
    1. UAZ 452
      UAZ 452 5 December 2022 14: 13
      0
      as I understand it, the Russian Federation should lose the Armed Forces of Ukraine as humiliatingly as possible in order for changes to begin in the army and not only ... approximately like the Russian-Japanese ...

      After the Russian-Japanese, there was the First World War, so the cold shower of 1905 did not help Russia so much.
      1. Chronos
        Chronos 5 December 2022 20: 51
        -1
        Quote: UAZ 452
        as I understand it, the Russian Federation should lose the Armed Forces of Ukraine as humiliatingly as possible in order for changes to begin in the army and not only ... approximately like the Russian-Japanese ...

        After the Russian-Japanese, there was the First World War, so the cold shower of 1905 did not help Russia so much.

        By the beginning of the World War, the army and navy were strengthened. But they did not have time for a bit - the deadline for completing the plans was 1916. Actually, in January 1917 the situation on the fronts was stable, they recaptured Riga and planned a big offensive and landing in Constantinople. They lost the war because they fell apart from the inside.
        1. UAZ 452
          UAZ 452 5 December 2022 21: 38
          +1
          So if now there is a double, in terms of "collapsed from the inside", then historians of the future will also broadcast that a couple of years were not enough for the army to be fully ready (the question - why then they started ahead of time - will be gently bypassed, that's why they are historians), on In 2023, they planned a landing in Odessa, the capture of Kyiv, the return of Kherson, etc.
  49. Hindu
    Hindu 5 December 2022 13: 57
    -1
    Quote: Glaaki
    The goal of China is to destroy as unnecessary.

    And now you're like - r--time! - and you throw proofs at such loud words.


    I read on the Internet, the world from the point of view of the United States - when the United States dominates, and everyone else just plays by their rules. The world, from the point of view of China, is when the whole world is China.
    And you continue to believe in the big Asian brother. laughing
  50. UAZ 452
    UAZ 452 5 December 2022 14: 11
    +9

    This is how planes worth hundreds of millions stand at the Engelsky airfield. Hangars? Shelter? So it's expensive! Dispersal? So it's not pretty! They should stand as if at a review - in a line, wing to wing, to please the eyes of tall inspectors with wide stripes.
    1. 4ekist
      4ekist 5 December 2022 14: 54
      +3
      UAZ 452: ... They should stand as if at a review - in a line, wing to wing, to please the eyes of tall inspectors with wide stripes.

      The only thing missing is a brass band and an airfield buffet nearby.
    2. Patriot228
      Patriot228 5 December 2022 22: 04
      0
      Why don't they build hangars? Well, they will probably cost under 2 million, the planes are expensive, after all, there is nothing good to stand in the snow and rain, temperature drops, etc.