Kyiv promises to adopt a new kamikaze drone developed as a response to the Russian Geraniums by the end of the year

In Ukraine, tests of a new loitering ammunition designed to destroy Russian armored vehicles are being completed. According to the Ukroboronprom company, the drone should be delivered to combat units before the end of this year.

"Ukroboronprom" announced the successful testing of the latest shock drone, designed specifically to combat the armored vehicles of the Russian army. About droneLittle is known about the kamikaze; in Kyiv, data on the development are secret. To date, it is known that the mass of the UAV warhead will be 75 kg, and the range of use will be up to 1 thousand kilometers.

As stated, at the moment the drone has passed all the necessary tests, it remains only to test it for the ability to work with existing electronic warfare systems (EW), after which it should go to the troops.

We are moving on to the EW test phase (...) After we successfully test the drone with EW, we hope to be able to see it in combat use. We promised before the end of this year - we try to keep promises

- said in the message "Ukroboronprom".

The creation of a new loitering munition for the Armed Forces of Ukraine became known back in October, in Kyiv they are positioning it as a kind of response to the Russian Geraniums, which in Ukraine continue to be called Iranian Shahed 136. Where the new kamikaze drone will be produced and in what volumes is not reported.

It is worth noting that Kyiv is unlikely to repeat the success of the Russian Geraniums, since Russia has a strong air defense system that has learned to deal with any drones. Russian UAVs operated in the virtual absence of air defense in Ukraine.

Comments

[Asad]

Unfortunately, despite the devastation, they can calmly. They have engineers, and they will bring components from all over the world for free.

[kor1vet1974]

And it is possible in Poland, for example, to establish production, Caliber does not fly there. Yes, and it seems that if the SVO drags on, the release of weapons will simply be transferred to NATO countries ..

[laws70]

And it is possible in Poland, for example, to establish production,

What for? In Ukraine, calibers began to arrive at armored factories 6 months after the start of the SVO. During such a time, these drones can be riveted more than one hundred.

[Ka-52]

not ashamed to lie? in Kharkov, according to Myshalevsky already flew on February 23. Again - March 2. And on March 18, they bombed an aircraft repair plant in Lvov.

[I dare to_notice_]

They will fly ... so, who will issue a visa for them? ..

[I dare to_notice_]

These cons want to say that the caliber will not reach Poland ?!
We understand that it’s not about the caliber, right? ..
Or no?...
Well, then downvote!

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: I dare_notice_

These cons want to say that the caliber will not reach Poland ?!

No, not that. There is nothing to refute, but I put a minus and killed the opponent, very convenient.))))

[lis-ik]

Quote: I dare_notice_

These cons want to say that the caliber will not reach Poland ?!

Fly then fly, but who will give him.

[Ulan.1812]

Quote: I dare_notice_

They will fly ... so, who will issue a visa for them? ..

Visa here? Somehow it wasn't much of a joke.
Maybe for this cons?
And of course they will fly, and the daggers will fly.

[Sergey_52]

From here, a simple conclusion - nothing should reach the line of clashes by transport - only fly up (not even fly) and only from NATO countries ...

[28st region]

There, mostly components are such that they will do in a circle of aircraft modellers. The motor is nonsense, the only expensive thing is the video camera and feedback

[hagen]

Quote: 28st region

The motor is nonsense, the only expensive thing is the video camera and feedback

If there is feedback, then electronic warfare systems can be used. But there may be an autonomous flight along the coordinates. Then you need to press the GPS. In general, all "designers" can produce anywhere and deliver as part of military assistance from NATO. And it can only gather at some metro station in Kyiv, as an option. Judging by the photo (if it reflects the realities, and not taken at random), then the warhead is not more than 30 kg. And in general, he does not pull on those performance characteristics that are given. In any case, something like Geranium should have been expected a long time ago. This means that countermeasures must be developed and scaled up. Most likely, the main way is to extinguish the energy of Ukraine to the maximum and look for assembly sites .... About Derivation-Air Defense with a programmable detonation of the projectile is not heard at all. Looks like there's nothing to brag about...

[28st region]

Yes? EW speak. And why hadn't electronic warfare been used before. Why did the electronic warfare not clog the radar, didn't clog the air defense guidance stations, especially since their frequencies are known to us?

Then you need to press the GPS

They failed to crush Starlink, and you are talking about GPS. And how to crush this GPS, a satellite in geostationary orbit, however, from 30 km

[hagen]

Quote: 28st region

And how to crush this GPS

As they crush him near the Kremlin, so in other places .... I think.

Quote: 28st region

Why did the electronic warfare not clog the radar, didn't clog the air defense guidance stations, especially since their frequencies are known to us?

Probably (this is what I think) because together with their stations we will drown out our own. But I'm not an EW specialist, I can't say.

[28st region]

Electronic warfare principle of operation. First, they detect an object, select the frequency at which the object operates, they can jam with a directional signal by force, then they simply clog this range with "white noise" with a powerful signal or decode the signal and put interference at a specific frequency, they can clog the frequency, change its carrier, send a bunch of marks about targets etc. The basis is first reconnaissance, then signal decoding and jamming. Their electronic means are not affected by interference. In this particular case, they should have scored almost instantly. frequencies are available, their modulation is known. But for some reason it didn't.
Where are all these Khibiny, Krasuhi and other electronic warfare. Maybe they are not there or there are so many that they simply cannot complete their tasks.

[hagen]

Quote: 28st region

Where are all these Khibiny, Krasuhi and other electronic warfare. Maybe they are not there or there are so many that they simply cannot complete their tasks.

Enemy reviews:
"Orlans" are here (near Nikolaev - EP) like bees. This is our main enemy. They are already "laughing" with our electronic warfare, which has no effect on them. They fly quietly, and this is already a problem.
Another interview with aerial reconnaissance:
The first problem was that UAVs are shot down in huge numbers: “They are lost in very large numbers - some units lose several quadcopters a day. Because the Russian systems of electronic warfare (EW) and electronic intelligence (REW) are working ... ".
Perhaps both Khibiny and Krasuh are not as many as we would like. We must not forget that we are at war in the technical sense not with Ukraine, but with the united West. There is electronic warfare on the other side, and it actively opposes us. The following aspect is also noted: "... Tonight, as usual, there was an artillery duel. Drones were looking for the enemy, aiming artillery, dryers tried to cover the areas of concentration of electronic warfare. By the way, the work of electronic warfare has the other side of the coin, since electronic warfare is actively covering this area, then it is here there is a delicious goal....". "Military affairs are simple and quite accessible to the sane mind of a person. But it is difficult to fight." I would notice with all obviousness that the states of the Armed Forces in peacetime no longer correspond to the threats that arose during the NWO. Obviously, our troops and air defense units are simply not physically enough to close the border zone with Ukraine. It must be borne in mind that the enemy is not asleep in other parts of the border. And therefore, it is apparently not possible to strengthen the air defense of the southwestern regions by transferring forces there from the eastern or southern direction. Yes, and here we have no idea what part of the blows can be prevented and what breaks through. Reading the comments on the articles, I still don’t think that any kitchen expert who wipes his lips from beer and fish is smarter than a general who has gone through the “warm” edges with risk and makes real difficult decisions, behind which are real lives. And yes, we miss beats, unfortunately. But in life this is exactly what happens, that even the winner's face is pretty shabby. We in Ukraine are not fighting barmaley. There are also real NATO troops in the guise of "mercenaries" from PMCs.

[Konnick]

Enemy reviews:
"Orlans" are here (near Nikolaev - EP) like bees. This is our main enemy. They are already "laughing" with our electronic warfare, which has no effect on them.

And what about the enemy reviews from the TG channels of the Donetsk military correspondents?
At least give me a screenshot

[YOUR]

Quote: Hagen

We must not forget that we are at war in the technical sense not with Ukraine, but with the united West.

Do you think that our electronic warfare is so bad that it cannot cope with Western models of equipment. It is impossible to understand you otherwise.

[hagen]

Quote: YOUR

Do you think that our electronic warfare is so bad that it cannot cope with Western models of equipment. It is impossible to understand you otherwise.

Not at all. I do not undertake to evaluate the samples of our electronic warfare equipment and compare them with those that we are opposed to. This is a matter for specialists. But it is quite obvious that these funds are not so much in quantity, as we would like to have on the LBS.

[hagen]

Quote: 28st region

In this particular case, they should have scored almost instantly. frequencies are available, their modulation is known. But for some reason it didn't.

And if you meet with an enemy using the frequency hopping mode. Then there is a need to identify the entire list of frequencies or to press the entire range? The frequency hopping mode, as far as I understand, is a fairly common way to protect against both interference and eavesdropping.

[28st region]

Don't make fun of my slippers. PPRCH for the air defense radar, well, well. Something new

[hagen]

Quote: 28st region

for SAM radar

SAM was never meant at all. Connection... And then, don't be a snob. I'm asking a question. If you don't want to answer normally, don't answer at all. Leave your slippers alone...

[28st region]

Just in case, re-read the thread. Ha snob. This is what side? The same knowledge as in electronic warfare?
Especially for you

A snob is a person who blindly admires high society, preferring to carefully imitate its manners and tastes. Also called people who claim to be highly intelligent, refined taste or authority in some area, but indifferent to the feelings of others.

[Aaron Zawi]

Looks like it's already been accepted. Today, something flew over Engels.

[fighter angel]

The promised ones, as always, did not have time to happen - everyone already knows.
And then they wonder why they are so disliked in the rest of the world!
And after that, you, dear, will convince me that you don’t know the result of the negotiations between the fool’s delegation and yours about air defense systems ???

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: fighter angel

The promised ones, as always, did not have time to happen - everyone already knows.
And then they wonder why they are so disliked in the rest of the world!
And after that, you, dear, will convince me that you don’t know the result of the negotiations between the fool’s delegation and yours about air defense systems ???

As I understand you.

[fighter angel]

And I understand you - a self-respecting Jew will never tell more than a quarter of what he knows ... But in the event of being captured by Arabs or Syrians, this rule does not work. Here a Jew can be told everything he knows in order to save his skin! And no one will judge, right?

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: fighter angel

And I understand you - a self-respecting Jew will never tell more than a quarter of what he knows ... But in the event of being captured by Arabs or Syrians, this rule does not work. Here a Jew can be told everything he knows in order to save his skin! And no one will judge, right?

You see, among our soldiers, fathers and mothers would like, if possible, that the state would be responsible for the children they send to the army.

[fighter angel]

Well, how is the state responsible to dad and mom? Don't you think that the responsibility of the state and the full disclosure of all known information by its individual citizens captured / surrendered are somewhat different things?

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: fighter angel

Well, how is the state responsible to dad and mom? Don't you think that the responsibility of the state and the full disclosure of all known information by its individual citizens captured / surrendered are somewhat different things?

You see, when you are captured, you will only be able to hide what you will not be asked about.

[fighter angel]

You are being too sly.
Do not try to be cunning and dodge, it always comes out sideways.
Although, what am I talking about - a Jew, he is 90% of this and consists ...
This is already a gene level, he would be happy to change something, but he cannot.
As I understand you ...

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: fighter angel

You are being too sly.
Do not try to be cunning and dodge, it always comes out sideways.
Although, what am I talking about - a Jew, he is 90% of this and consists ...
This is already a gene level, he would be happy to change something, but he cannot.
As I understand you ...

It's amazing that at the end of each of your posts you don't write "Sieg Heil".

[fighter angel]

I don’t write, but you took it and wrote it at the end of your post ...

[fighter angel]

Or maybe you should feel sorry for it?
You are so cool, and everyone is attacking you poor things!!!
Wow they are badass!!!

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: fighter angel

Or maybe you should feel sorry for it?
You are so cool, and everyone is attacking you poor things!!!
Wow they are badass!!!

The wolf took pity on the mare, left the tail and mane.

[fighter angel]

Are you alluding again to the offended people of the promised land?
Do you like to pretend to be weak and defenseless, who have nothing ...

[Konnick]

You see, when you are captured, you will only be able to hide what you will not be asked about.

There is a joke
They shot down our pilot on the newest fighter over Vietnam. They began to interrogate: what are the technical data of the MiG-17? They tortured him for a day, he is silent, they torture him for the second, he is silent, on the third night he escaped. He returned to his own, his own ask how it is in captivity. "Learn materiel, teach..."

[Aristarkh Pasechnik]

And sho there "arrived"? :))Today, early in the morning, on the street of the 2nd Uritsky Microdistrict in the city of Engels, Saratov Region, an explosion and fire occurred in residential apartments in a 5-storey building No. 30. As a result of the rescue work, the bodies of five people were found - four women and a man (there are no persons under the age of 18 among them), whose identities are being established. 11 residents of the specified house (including three children) were hospitalized with a diagnosis of carbon dioxide poisoning in medical institutions in the city of Engels. Employees of the Main Directorate of the Ministry of Emergency Situations of Russia for the Saratov Region are conducting rescue operations. As a result of the explosion and fire, interior partitions (walls) in several apartments were partially destroyed, and ceilings collapsed in two apartments on the ground floor.

[for]

Also on that day, information appeared about an alleged explosion at an airfield in the Saratov region. The governor of the Saratov region Roman Busargin said on his Telegram channel that law enforcement officers are checking data on incidents at military facilities in Engels. There were no emergencies at civilian facilities in the city, he added..

Someone is lying.

[bayard]

Quote: ASAD

They have engineers, and they will bring components from all over the world for free.

Are these mysterious drones tested today at our airfields? And the warhead is declared to be 1,5 times more powerful than that of Geranium. I don’t believe in a fuel truck that exploded - almost simultaneously powerful explosions at two military airfields. There are no such coincidences.
And this is a new challenge for our air defense.

[dmi.pris1]

Meanwhile, an "unknown" drone fell on the runway of the airfield in Engels

[Aristarkh Pasechnik]

Did the Ukrainian govos drop him? :))

[dmi.pris1]

Well, if the cart is VO-adjust with poop .... Then wow!

[Kriso Sborshik]

heroically shot down by an airfield, learning from the mouse brothers

[businessv]

Russian UAVs operated in the virtual absence of air defense in Ukraine.

No need to exaggerate their absence!

Today, while performing a combat mission, a Russian VKS Ka-52 helicopter was shot down. Kingdom of Heaven to Russian Hero-Pilots
The crew of the "Beard" was the most productive crew of the group.
They were the best of the best.
Legendary.
6 Orders of Courage for two.
Today they are gone.
Both of them.
The crew was presented to the highest award and the highest rank of the Russian Federation.
To the golden stars of Heroes.
Posthumously.
https://t.me/fighter_bomber

Read more https://vizitnlo.ru/5-12-2022-novosti-s-fronta-batalony-vsu-pod-baxmutom-razbity-v-truxu/

[vovochkarzhevsky]

It's not even about air defense. These are the consequences of "surovikinism" in the leadership of the VKS. When managers without proper knowledge or experience make decisions. As a result, aviation is not being used according to its profile. Helicopters replace attack aircraft, and even front-line bombers.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: vovochkarzhevsky

These are the consequences of "surovikinism" in the leadership of the VKS.

Did you find a scapegoat? How many Surovikin are there "at the helm"?

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Is it news to you that the commander is responsible for the forces he leads? As well as the fact that the buildup of time does not rely on?
Everything is simpler here, I really wanted new stars on shoulder straps.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: vovochkarzhevsky

As well as the fact that the buildup of time does not rely on?

Somewhere I already heard it ...

Quote: vovochkarzhevsky

Everything is simpler here, I really wanted new stars on shoulder straps.

Surovikin and set in order to ward off the anger of not very smart characters from high-ranking people.))))

[for]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Did you find a scapegoat? How many Surovikin are there "at the helm"?

And the Condensation Trail has not yet dispersed.

[businessv]

Quote: vovochkarzhevsky

When managers without proper knowledge or experience make decisions.

This is the problem of our entire leadership, unfortunately! Judging by the shoulder straps, you definitely know better about this case.

[Irek]

This is what it will be...

the latest achievements of Ukrainian science.

[dmi.pris1]

Yes, whatever it is. Strikes are delivered and hit targets. Refineries, for example. In Engels, I almost reached the parking lot of the "strategists". With such "pictures", downplaying the capabilities of the enemy, we will lose all vigilance.

[Jackson]

You should not be so ... Underestimating the enemy is fraught ... Surely there will be a normal drone. It's just that in it there will be only an inscription from Ukrainian ... Approximately, as on "our" Geraniums ...

[Ivan Ivanov]

Moreover, our enemy is the collective west with its mobilization and production capabilities.

[businessv]

Quote: IvanIvanov

west with its mobilization and production capabilities.

Not so much - mobilization capabilities in the form of ukrovoyaks - in the square, production capabilities - kolzapad.

[Cheshire]

The time for such jokes is over. When the strikes on Russia begin, will we laugh the same way?

[Alex_mech]

They have been running since about the beginning of summer (I'm definitely too lazy to watch, but there is even a video "Drone! Ukrainian? Nope .... Oh .. (obscene)."

[businessv]

Quote: Cheshire

When the strikes on Russia begin, will we laugh the same way?

Attacks on Russia are already being carried out regularly, and to raise morale, it is very necessary to laugh, for example, remember KukryNiksy during the Great Patriotic War! Crying and tearing your hair is definitely not worth it!

[Two]

Well, you can't underestimate the enemy! No way! Look, in the city of Engels something flew to the airbase of strategists. The flash was good and the sirens screamed for a long time.

[businessv]

Quote: Dos

Vaughn, in the city of Engels, something flew to the airbase of strategists.

So it's not about assessing the enemy !!! Question: WHY did you manage to fly all the way to Engels?! There must be a sober assessment of the possibilities and the exclusion of such cases, especially at a strategic facility! It certainly does not depend on us!

[yuriy55]

Quote: businessv

Question: WHY did you manage to fly all the way to Engels?!

Because because!

In a number of social networks, reports of an emergency that allegedly took place this morning in the city of Engels, Saratov Region, began to disappear. Recall that after six o'clock in the morning on December 5, some users began to report an alleged explosion in the Flying Town...
...Law enforcement agencies are checking.

https://saratov.mk.ru/incident/2022/12/05/soobshhenie-o-yakoby-proizoshedshem-vzryve-v-engelse-saratovskoy-oblasti-chto-izvestno-k-etomu-chasu.html
You can call Volodin. He was elected from there as a deputy ...

[soloist2424]

It is possible that they will be able to adopt the drone of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but it is unlikely to provide the army with the required number. Ukrainian industry is dying.

[Asad]

What industry?! Why do they need it? In the fight against us, the West will deliver everything for free.

[Ivan Ivanov]

It is true that a mercenary country does not need its own industry on suction, it is we who are forced to fight and produce. In this sense, we need a serious military alliance, and lend-lease, if necessary.

[businessv]

Quote from solist2424

Ukrainian industry is dying.

There has been no industry for a long time, with the exception of individual copies in Kramatorsk, Kyiv, Dnepropetrovsk and Zaporozhye, but this does not affect these products in any way, they will simply be supplied.

[soloist2424]

A big concern comes out - to feed the 30-40 million population, plus supply the half-million army with EVERYTHING necessary, from shells to first-aid kits. Do you know the saying about seven nannies?

[businessv]

Quote from solist2424

A big concern comes out - to feed the 30-40 million population, plus supply the half-million army with EVERYTHING necessary, from shells to first-aid kits. Do you know the saying about seven nannies?

And in your opinion, it turns out that only the industry feeds?! Today, an independent country is not an industrial, but an agrarian country, and "the whole world" knows this, which took care of the grain deal.

[MrFYGY]

Shas, of course, throw jokes in the comments. Meanwhile, "something" is happening in Engels.

[Bingo]

Then you will have to saturate the Shells - at the moment there is simply no one in the world to fight Geraniums except for the Shells.
By the way, there, as they say, "household appliances" arrived from China. Uh-huh, washing machines with chips

[dmi.pris1]

In my opinion, Shilka is best in this case, but only when upgrading the radar. The Poles, by the way, did it

[Des]

Why is there no author of this news?
"It is worth noting that Kyiv is unlikely to succeed in repeating the success of the Russian Geraniums, since Russia has a strong air defense system that has learned to deal with any drones. Russian UAVs operated in the virtual absence of air defense in Ukraine. "Dear VO, you are responsible for what are you posting? Even a bit?
The novelty is very dangerous for mass use.

[dmi.pris1]

An attempt by a propagandist to hide the jamb of air defense in the Saratov region. We are waiting for a strike on the Kremlin. I hope that this object is securely covered

[laws70]

I hope that this object is covered securely

This is the red line. Or not?

[TAMBU]

It looks like purple, but I'm not very good at it. I'm wondering what will happen with the Zaporizhzhya NPP. Will they surrender or not ... there will be a line, so a line ...

[Kriso Sborshik]

the red one is #FF0000, and the color of the Kremlin brick is #AA0000, that is, it is NOT a red line, understand?

[for]

Quote: Des

since Russia has a strong air defense system

Where? In Moscow and the Moscow province.

[APASUS]

I would immediately announce a reward of $ 10 thousand for Ukrainians who will give out the location of the production site.

[Asad]

Surely in Poland they are already collecting, from sin.

[gromit]

If this is an analogue of Geranium, then there is no question of any fight against armored vehicles.
This is a weapon of terror.
I hope optimism about our air defense is justified. 1000 km is a lot.
And the location of the CHP with substations is well known.

[aporierti]

I have no doubt that in fact this is not a Ukrainian development at all, but a Western one. Foreigners jointly created for Ukraine some simple alternative to Bayraktar. It is much worse if foreigners, following the experience of Geraniums, create for them a stamping production of similar products on moped engines. Then Ukraine will be able to start mass production of them and to terrorize Russia with a large number.

[Alex Barrett]

Well, this was to be expected, if Iran is able to put on stream the production of penny Shaheeds, it would be strange to expect that Ukraine would not receive such a production line from partners. The author’s hope for miraculous air defense is especially touching, with a total border of several thousand kilometers and a radius of a thousand, the entire Russian military-industrial complex will have to rivet for ten years to cover the “Shell”

[Zaurbek]

The question is why the Russian Federation cannot put Martyrs on stream ...?

[rotmistr60]

We promised by the end of this year - we are trying to keep our promises, Ukroboronprom said in a statement.

So the enterprises of this "industry" are still working and producing weapons? A flaw or some difficulty on our part?

[Zaurbek]

It's just a matter of time. It is strange that they did not think of it earlier and were inspired by Geraniums...
The United States will give them brains with GPS, original MD-550 motors .... assembly - in 404 and Poland ..... There can be so many industrially made ones that we go nuts. And most importantly, their goals are the civil infrastructure of the Russian Federation. Lots of things within a 200km radius. And it’s not even necessary to get into enterprises (according to the principle of Hezbollah).
And, an important plus, intelligence and target selection - NATO.
In the place of our military leaders, we urgently need to invest in scaling the Pantsir air defense missile system and something 57mm with an SLA (Do not cycle on the BMD cart, but make the module itself and put it on the truck).

[yuriy55]

Quote: Zaurbek

In the place of our military leaders - we urgently need to invest in scaling ZRPK

In place of our politicians, it's time to move on to massive strikes of tactical nuclear weapons along the western border, and not chew snot with the interpretation of the nuclear doctrine and exaggerate topics about negotiations with Ukraine and the West.
Let Zelensky bake pies, than the Russians will seek refuge ...

[Zaurbek]

I agree, but in terms of strengthening the areas and with promotion. Hydrogen ammunition is very environmentally friendly.

[Alex_mech]

This is not "not thought of", it's just a step that someone should be the first to take, someone should decide, because this is "Pandora's box". And when the first step is taken, the opponent holds nothing.

[dementor873]

Well, apparently they are waiting for this, or rather, they will get the go-ahead for tactical nuclear weapons, because I am more than sure there are generals who would raze everything to the ground, but they are not given.

[Moskal 55]

The mass of warheads is 75 kg and a range of up to 1000 km - this is clearly not for armored vehicles, but for major sabotage in the rear.

[Michael]

Why don't balloons and AWACS airships hang around the clock in the sky? Why don't fighter drones wait for the command to "take off"? Why are airships with bottomless holds full of these fighter drones not on combat duty in the still peaceful sky of our Motherland?

[Alex_mech]

I would also like to play such a game, with airships-airships and fighter drones. But there is none of that, even in games.

[Michael]

Quote from: Alex_mech

I would also like to play such a game, with airships-airships and fighter drones. But there is none of that, even in games.

And very in vain. And if airships-airships are a matter of a rather distant future, although one of the components of the success of fighters is height, and an airship can fly high, then why are there no AWACS airships in service? In construction, they are no more expensive than aircraft, cheaper in operation, and combat stability is clearly higher. SAM does not make much difference what to hit - a slow and huge aircraft or a slightly slower and huge airship. But on the airship you can fasten a couple of "Shells" for self-defense and put more powerful electronic warfare systems.

[Alex_mech]

Well, firstly, the speed of an airship is small compared to an airplane, which means that it is essentially a stationary radar. And if so, why such an AWACS? It is much easier to build more aircraft + tankers for them and set up a watch where necessary.

[Michael]

Quote from: Alex_mech

Well, firstly, the speed of an airship is small compared to an airplane, which means that it is essentially a stationary radar. And if so, why such an AWACS? It is much easier to build more aircraft + tankers for them and set up a watch where necessary.

The speed of the airship is 200 km / h - wow stationary!
A-50 flies a little faster - 800 km / h, but is on duty "where necessary", flying in circles. Further, an anti-aircraft missile flies 7000 km / h and 200 squeezes the target or 800 is not essential for it, but the airship can shoot back from missiles))), unlike an airplane!

[Alex_mech]

No one launches AWACS aircraft over air defense. 800 is 4 times more than 200. Also, is 200 upwind or downwind?

[Michael]

Quote from: Alex_mech

No one launches AWACS aircraft over air defense. 800 is 4 times more than 200. Also, is 200 upwind or downwind?

"At 22:03, a Syrian anti-aircraft missile hit an Il-20 aircraft. The crew commander reported a fire on board and began an emergency descent."
"At 22:07, the mark of the Russian Il-20 reconnaissance aircraft disappeared from the screens."
Direct quotation from Konashenkov, Head of the Department of Information and Mass Communications of the Russian Ministry of Defense.

[Eugene Zaboy]

Maybe they will develop and create one sample, but they will not be able to produce it. No one to pay.

[Asad]

Are you seriously?! And all these billions of dollars that are spent daily on the country for war with us, where do they come from?

[Eugene Zaboy]

This money has already been allocated, we need new and targeted ones for UAVs. Ukraine does not even make Bayraktara, despite the fact that there is a plant, but none of the sponsors pays for it. The logic of the Ukrainian economy is built on the idea of ​​external financing. If it is, there is a result, even if it is bad, but there is, because you have to account for the spent assistance. Why are they fighting? For freedom? No. Maidan for cookies. The war is for American money. Cash and immediately. Stop the flow and everything will rise. They will take up other work and will not remember the war, because there is no time.

[Alex_mech]

It is worth noting that Kyiv is unlikely to be able to repeat the success of the Russian Geraniums.

Yeah, after all, not a single drone flew into the territory of Russia from Ukraine, and did not destroy anything.

[Vladimir M]

The bad thing is that ours will lie again. Although nothing unexpected happened to Engels, everything was expected. Not a single air defense system can cope with the massive use of UAVs. And European people will help them with the mass character, they will organize assembly sites at home and there will be no problems with deliveries. We haven't started yet and will we?

[Vashek]

So far, in the fight against UAVs, she has not said the word electronic warfare. Must be silenced.

[Alex_mech]

Kyiv is positioning it as a kind of response to the Russian Geraniums, which in Ukraine continue to be called Iranian Shahed 136.

If the Ukrainian "Chernobrivtsi" is an analogue Russian "Geraniums", then I have no doubt that they will appear very quickly, it is enough to pay for the delivery, if you know what I mean.

[I dare to_notice_]

It was inevitable.
The war is not with Ukraine ...
Ukraine, as the smallest and worst, only gets for everyone.

[Eva Star]

This is not Ukraine, it is the West that will supply drones to bomb Russia. Assembly will be in Poland. Through Ukraine, the West will try to knock out our nuclear forces, part of the forces. The destruction of the northern stream and the supply of weapons against the civilian population of Donbass did not cause a response from our side, maybe it's time? You can launch a drone on a gas hub in Poland or destroy a Polish gas pipeline in neutral waters. The West is getting bolder every day, and all because Putin's balls are outdated.

[svp67]

It is worth noting that Kyiv is unlikely to repeat the success of the Russian Geraniums, since Russia has a strong air defense system that has learned to deal with any drones.

Let's see how Kyiv uses them, and we'll see... And boast in advance... We can't reliably protect airfields in the depths yet.

Russian UAVs operated in the virtual absence of air defense in Ukraine.

Of course ... I wonder why then our planes and helicopters constantly go astray? Yesterday, the Ukrainian "Buk" shot down our Ka-52, the crew of which had SIX Orders of Courage for two, that is, before they were awarded the title of Heroes of Russia, they had only half a step

[RED_ICE]

On our part, the use of geraniums and calibers has calmed down. They wrote directly to all possible media, and now silence