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Welded tank hatch: fake, bike or something else?

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Welded tank hatch: fake, bike or something else?

We sat for a long time and thought together, why do we need this? Well, it seems that all Russians should be smart and educated people, why is it that from time to time someone wedges, and such heresy is carried on the air that one involuntarily wants to yell: “Sprinkle the country!”.



Started the next stage of RIA "News". They were followed by RT, MK, Reedus, KP, AiF and so on. All were noted by the story to their readers, as “scouts told that they constantly find Tanks and other armored vehicles with welded hatches. By the way, we also noted in September, quoting Alexander Khodakovsky from the Vostok battalion.

Quote:

“According to the battalion commander Khodakovsky, the soldiers got close to the tank and discovered an amazing and terrible picture: all the hatches on the tank were welded. The crew of the combat vehicle was simply walled up, like in a tin can. He was sent to the positions of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the NM of the DPR - certain death, so that the tankers could not even get out and leave the car if the tank was knocked down "

Well, Ukrainians are patient, right? Somehow they were stuffed into the tank, the hatches were closed, they were boiled, and they ... went to fight! Well, or give up so that they are unmurdered.

Funny, of course, if it weren't so sad.


Our tank expert Comrade Lieutenant Colonel Kuznetsov took all this nonsense too seriously. And threw a few thoughts about it.

1. Brewing the hatch as a whole is not as easy as it seems. For this, as it were, an automatic inverter is not enough, after all, armor. And in this regard, simply welding a stud for a remote control is already a difficult task, and if you need to digest a lot of them, then in general it turns out a show for perverts.

And to weld the hatch, even just grab it in several places so that they don’t open it - it will be interesting. In addition, okay, hatches in the towers, but what to do with the "hero's hatch"? Which one is on the bottom? Who and where will brew it? Where can I find such an overpass or a welding maniac who will pull it off from the inside?


And yes, Alexei believes that even if this happens, the RGD-5 grenade from the tank ammunition will very simply solve the problem of the brewed “hero hatch”. Yes, it will hit the membranes and brains, but the hatch will open outside. The process, of course, is so-so, you need to remove the fragmentation "shirt" of the grenade, insert the UZRGM-2 fuse, which has a long delay, fill up the grenade with everything that is at hand and hide in the corners away. And so you can unlock the "hero's hatch", fortunately, it opens outward.

2. The problem of movement. Even in battle, when it flies over the tank from all sides, the commander's hatch does not close. For two reasons at once. If you seriously think that a tank can be clearly driven with the help of a prism and TKN, then you should not think so. You have to "raise the periscope", that is, stick your head out of the hatch, and then dive back. This is for the commander. Mechanical driver - depending on the model of the tank. The second reason is the desire to survive undermining.

3. Unlock. The tank is, of course, yes, so perfect and almost autonomous, but it still needs to be refueled, maintained and replenished with ammunition. This is in addition to the fact that the crew needs to drink, eat and everything else that rhymes with the word "eat".

A one-time crew - well, this is completely nonsense, a tank is expensive, and turning it into a car for one battle is stupid. But not everyone understands this.

We read how the heroic fighters of the DPR unlocked such a tank with a “Bulgarian” and laughed a lot. Of course, "Bulgarian" - it is in every trench, along with a powerful gas generator. It's easier than ever to pull this off in a modern conflict.

4. Terpily-downs inside the tank. Well, really, it’s interesting to know where such crews come from? They seem to be planted inside the tank at gunpoint, they do not flutter and regularly drive towards the enemy, only to depict something with the gun barrel there. Perfect crew, I must say.

So imagine yourself in the place of such fighters? They take you, put you in a tank, weld up the hatches and order you to blame the enemy and beat him. Here we would, in all seriousness, first take up these miracle welders, since no one canceled machine guns on tanks. And there, at the command of a cannon, you can light it up. And why not, still a suicide bomber, still die in a boiled tank, so why go somewhere? Everything can be done on the spot.

In general - complete nonsense, designed for elderly grandmothers and middle-aged housewives.


The question arises: in general, what could cause the birth of such tales? It turns out that there may be situations in which the tower hatches are not welded, but blocked. And the crew may have some difficulties with leaving the car. For example, the arrival of a high-explosive fragmentation projectile, when the blast wave simply bends numerous hinge attachments. And the hatch may well turn out to be very well blocked for the crew.

Conversely, the hatch in each tank has a locking device from the inside. It is also spring loaded to make it easier to open.

So yes, the occasion for the birth of a story could have been invented easily and naturally. We even spent some time trying to track down whoever started the welded manhole fake first.

It came out by the will of the 5 TV channel. In its material, the channel gave an interview with a certain veteran of hostilities in the Donbass, a fighter of the LNR militia Gennady Menchenko, who told history, which, according to him, happened in 2014 in Debaltseve.

“I had such a case: a tank was walking - they wanted to shoot it, but it was driving and waving its barrel up and down. Has stopped. I gave the command not to shoot, went up to him with a grenade, looked - and the hatches were sealed, they could not get out. We had to cut the hatch with a grinder, and there were boys 18 years old. They said that they were forcibly, at gunpoint, driven into tanks and sent to fight. It was in Debaltseve in 2014”

Bulgarian to cut the hatch - we will not comment. The fact is that Menchenko also “drew” with a story about “phosphorus mines”.

“The 120th mine flies, burns in the air and gives off a strong smell - like rotten eggs. And when it hits, it explodes, releases gas, and when people swallow this smoke, everything inside them falls apart - the liver, spleen, heart. And people are dying from it."

In general, it is already possible to understand the level of truthfulness of the "expert" and the veteran. Rambo is resting, at least not a single person has yet been able to smell a 120-mm mine flying in the air. burning.

In general, this is how fairy tales are born. Both of Menchenko's stories are tales. Good-natured stories, if they are told in a close circle of friends. But when the same tales suddenly begin to be told by "Russian special forces intelligence officers" - sorry, this is not funny. It is sad.

You begin to understand that there is a madhouse going on with completely incomprehensible tasks. Either the hatches are cut down with a grinder by the militias, or the technicians get immured Ukrainians out of the tank ...

Yes, in the best traditions of the Ukrainian media in 2014-15: the cameras broke, the batteries in the phones ran out and stuff like that. And to show at least one tank from those from which the valiant Russian technicians pulled out the poor Ukrainian suicide bombers, there is no way. Tanks have been fighting somewhere with boiled hatches for a long time, but where is also unknown.

Although it would seem that there is not much video - and RIA Novosti could have made a very impressive report. At least with one T-64 tank that had a hatch welded on. But no, from the point of view of the fighters of the information front, it is enough that the masked fighter told the camera about what he (allegedly) saw.

Actually, the lack of a sane evidence base is one of the main reasons for Russia's defeat in the information war. That is, the world simply does not believe. Perhaps we are not very sad about this, but the world is one thing, and its citizens, who are hung with exceptional noodles on their ears, is another.

Of course, a win is very necessary, especially when there are solid zrada around. And to raise the spirit of the fighters, and the population too. It's really necessary. But here is another question: why take us all for fools, telling fairy tales under the guise of real deeds?

Khodakovsky, who flew in with these hatches, at least said that he was reported about such a thing. Well, you know, verbally, they just took it and told it. And, by the way, Alexander Sergeevich did not raise or discuss this issue anymore. Understood what he said. Why the continuation followed, it is very difficult for us to say.

But in general, it would be worthwhile to understand that smoking tales have no place at all on the pages of the central media and TV channels. At the very least, this is insulting and badly hurts the reputation of both the media themselves in general and the country as a whole. On the same level with the "crucified boy" and other attempts to "lower" the enemy.

Best of all, the enemy is humiliated by defeats in real theaters of war. Although information is also possible, it is better in the aggregate. About the most terrible and effective weapon - this is true.
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  1. frog
    frog 6 December 2022 07: 31
    +35
    And the most terrible and effective weapon is the truth.

    Then we are unarmed. Which shows the real ........
    1. invisible_man
      invisible_man 6 December 2022 07: 50
      +17
      The story about welded hatches is quite in the spirit of the Russian Spring website. There is such goodness - heaps, all the rumors and nonsense are collected, passing off at face value. The perfect source of misinformation.

      And Rybar's channel was the first to start to resent these front-line tales a couple of days ago.
      1. skeptick2
        skeptick2 6 December 2022 11: 21
        +12
        Quote from invisible_man
        The story about welded hatches is quite in the spirit of the Russian Spring website.

        And Mr. Staver picked up this banner. Who loves such stories and puts such nonsense in each of his articles.
        As recently as today in the next branch, he posted this nonsense. Feel free to quote:
        "By the way, there are reports of tanks with welded hatches again. The appearance of Ukrainian kamikaze tankers was already recorded several months ago. It is clear that in this way the commanders punished disloyal fighters. In battle on a coffin tank - after the battle you are again a full-fledged soldier. Then, when the Ukrainians launched an offensive, the coffin tanks disappeared. And now they reappeared ... "
        1. Civil
          Civil 6 December 2022 12: 23
          +4
          Do we need the TRUTH? Will it break our spirit? Having released the TRUTH, it will come through chains and connections to where it is too dangerous for some figures.
          1. invisible_man
            invisible_man 6 December 2022 14: 13
            +5
            In this particular case, the truth is that the hatches are not welded. Hardly it will break our spirit :)
          2. Johann Klassen
            Johann Klassen 7 December 2022 23: 23
            0
            That's why they are called "mass media", in the common people - "media".
            But, the most surprising thing is the supposedly sincere indignation why "folklore" is reprinted by all and sundry.
            But don't the so-called "democratic state departments and Jewish Parliaments" and other false Jewish perverts do the same?
            1. Bad_gr
              Bad_gr 9 December 2022 13: 07
              0
              Quote from invisible_man
              In this particular case, the truth is that the hatches are not welded.
              Where is this information from?
              Let's imagine the following situation:
              the crew, according to the commander, is not trustworthy, therefore, before the battle, so that the crew would not abandon the tank, they ordered to grab the hatches by welding, with the condition that they would be released after the battle, when they returned to base.

              It's like an option.
        2. SARANCHA1976
          SARANCHA1976 7 December 2022 14: 15
          +1
          I remember how I laughed with comments under this article on VO from our "patriot experts" and how many versions there were of how and why they brewed, and all with such aplomb and faith. Ay, where are you professionals of boltology, for whom "fighting geese" are designed, plans for an attack on the Russian Federation captured in Gostomel that no one has ever seen and other fairy tales. The insanity grew stronger...
      2. Oleg812spb
        Oleg812spb 6 December 2022 14: 54
        0
        Finally, these stories from the Debaltsevo events of 2014 go around and are periodically updated. In September and November, they definitely surfaced. Finding sources and dates is not difficult if you are not banned in the search.
      3. HUMANOID
        HUMANOID 6 December 2022 18: 10
        -1
        You also sing that in World War II there were no kamikazes in airplanes with explosives (also, let's say not a cheap product), as well as boats and torpedoes with suicide bombers. Yes, and in modern history, martyrs used various technical means and moreover, people there did not always go for it voluntarily, even on the Internet there is a video. In general, there is a whole system of psycho (zombie) programming, when a weapon is made from a weak-willed or illiterate person
        1. Mikhail Krivopalov
          Mikhail Krivopalov 7 December 2022 03: 54
          +8
          Kamikaze and shahids go for it according to their convictions, and not at gunpoint
          1. Johann Klassen
            Johann Klassen 7 December 2022 23: 31
            +1
            Michael, and you try on "beliefs"?
            Or maybe the shelling of civilians, especially children, is also similar to you as a "deception"?
            1. Mikhail Krivopalov
              Mikhail Krivopalov 8 December 2022 07: 31
              -1
              Interesting logic: crocodiles are red and fly at a height of 5 meters" - "this is not true" - "maybe you can also say that" deceit "that ducks can fly." As they say in the elderberry garden, but in Kyiv uncle. I tell you about the methodology of the media, in any period of history in any war, they compose a lot of things about enemies, but they are silent about a lot of things about their own. During the First World War, German propagandists scared their townsfolk that Russian Cossacks were eating babies.
        2. SARANCHA1976
          SARANCHA1976 7 December 2022 14: 16
          -2
          More fighting geese and worms saboteurs .. forgot?
        3. Alt 22
          Alt 22 7 December 2022 23: 17
          -1
          There were kamikazes, and martyrs too. And they all volunteered for the mission. And no one has ever welded hatches behind them, no one in Japan would so humiliate with distrust a person who decided to voluntarily give his life in the fight against the enemy. And here we are being fed lies.
  2. rocket757
    rocket757 6 December 2022 07: 33
    +4
    Welded tank hatch: fake, bike or something else?
    someone saw, someone told, someone heard ... but documented facts, photographs are NOT, no one wants to present anything like that, SHOW ???
    And NO, then NO here!
    1. Evil543
      Evil543 6 December 2022 08: 09
      +5
      Tales about fishing. And the stories are nonsense, and the conclusions of experts are half nonsense.
    2. dmi.pris1
      dmi.pris1 6 December 2022 08: 39
      +7
      The bad thing is that they try to take people for idiots. Like, they steal any nonsense.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 6 December 2022 08: 50
        +2
        I heard this, a well-known field journalist said ... he immediately said that he was TOLD!
        I’m ready to believe that they are surrendering, they are turning the gun back ... but it’s POSSIBLE to photograph, document the welded hatches, even at the front line !!! Yes, and they would, it’s quite a sensation ...
        While this is not there ... you should not inflate the topic, NOT CHECKED, NOT CONFIRMED !!!
        Don't be like liars.
        The truth is behind us, so let's go!
        1. Demon_is_ada
          Demon_is_ada 6 December 2022 09: 58
          +22
          Welcome hi
          An article with an "expert" opinion at the same level as about welded hatches laughing
          What is this "automatic inverter" about which is said in the article? I have the 5th category of a gas-electric welder, but this is the first time I’ve heard about this ... You can block the hatches of the tank so that they can’t be opened from the inside in two minutes using a household inverter and half of the electrode, just grab the hatch hinges. What is the question?
          Opening the heroic hatch with a grenade is quite a tin. To blow up 40 grams of TNT in a space of a couple of cubic meters is death from ODAB, there the excess pressure will be lower ...
          Humanitarians have taken over the world crying
          We'll all be finished soon...
          lol
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 6 December 2022 10: 04
            +8
            You can be a humanist and be guided by common sense ... Losers climb everywhere, they don’t have to work anywhere, if only NOT TO WORK !!! There are plenty of them, in many places ... sometimes they climbed to such heights that they disgrace / disgrace those who entrusted them with texts to write to themselves !!! The Losers do not care, but we, who have not forgotten how to think, are sick of hearing, seeing this ...
            1. Bad_gr
              Bad_gr 6 December 2022 12: 25
              +4
              And so you can unlock the "hero's hatch", fortunately, it opens outward.
              In which tanks does the hatch on the bottom of the tank open outwards?
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 6 December 2022 12: 50
                +1
                The question is not for me ... not a tanker, at all.
                And so, if you remember the films, the military ones, they really showed a rotary hatch, which was outside and turned under the bottom. What kind of technique was it ... German tanks, it seems.
                1. Bad_gr
                  Bad_gr 6 December 2022 13: 35
                  +3
                  Quote: rocket757
                  The question is not for me...
                  I asked this in a thread (quote from the article).
                  Here I found a photo of the hatch on the T-72. The hatch is tilted inward, to the right (it stands almost vertically)
                  In the T-62, he leans inward, to the left (when viewed from the combat). We used it when changing batteries (from the combat batteries they lowered under the tank, and then onto the cart and into the battery).
                  But the technical hatches under the engine compartment, yes, they opened outward, but it’s impossible there otherwise, since everything inside the hull is occupied by units. Not rare cases when, when opening a technical hatch, they got hit on the head with a hatch (you unscrew the nuts while lying under this very hatch, and the under-engine hatch is quite large, and made of armor a couple of centimeters thick)
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 6 December 2022 13: 42
                    +1
                    Ask the one who wrote about this ... so they will answer faster.
                    And so, they simply do not see what they are being asked.
                  2. Bad_gr
                    Bad_gr 6 December 2022 13: 48
                    +4
                    More text in the article
                    Brewing the hatch as a whole is not as easy as it seems.
                    Here is a photo of the hatch with welded hinges under the lock. And it’s not more difficult to weld the hatch (it’s enough to grab a little along the seam) And in order to open the hatch after that, it’s enough to cut off this clamp with a grinder. Why cut out the entire hatch (as written in the article) I don’t understand.
                    1. aglet
                      aglet 9 December 2022 11: 27
                      -1
                      "Why cut out the entire hatch (as written in the article) I don't understand."
                      so why weld the hatch, you understand? Well, explain to that part of the audience who do not understand this?
                      punish negligent warriors by losing these warriors together with a tank? or something else, elusive in meaning for the common man?
                      1. Bad_gr
                        Bad_gr 9 December 2022 12: 36
                        +3
                        Quote: aglet
                        so why weld the hatch, you understand?
                        Why should I understand why brewedif I'm discussing a technical topic how to open a closed sunroof.
                        The meaning of the rest, written by you, did not understand at all.
                      2. aglet
                        aglet 10 December 2022 09: 19
                        -2
                        "The meaning of the rest written by you, I did not understand at all"
                        I have no doubt, you need to cut - you don’t need to think
                  3. uwzek
                    uwzek 6 December 2022 21: 04
                    -1
                    This hatch is large, but made of duralumin, it will definitely not beat ...
                    1. Bad_gr
                      Bad_gr 7 December 2022 01: 55
                      0
                      Quote: uwzek
                      This hatch is large, but made of duralumin, it will definitely not beat ...
                      Luke on the T-72 tank made of duralumin?
                      1. Bad_gr
                        Bad_gr 9 December 2022 13: 50
                        +1
                        Quote: Bad_gr
                        Quote: uwzek
                        This hatch is large, but made of duralumin, it will definitely not beat ...
                        Luke on the T-72 tank made of duralumin?
                        Who will explain to me why this question is worth a minus?
                        PS
                        I'm really interested in knowing the answer.
                  4. Aleks tv
                    Aleks tv 7 December 2022 13: 10
                    +2




                    Here I found a photo of the hatch on the T-72. The hatch is tilted inward, to the right (it stands almost vertically)

                    Hello Volodya!
                    hi
                    I couldn't answer yesterday, I'm writing today.
                    Thank you for correcting, the fact is that on the "Object 172m" the hatch really opens inward, it is on 4 ridges and two side hinges.
                    I'm just more familiar with "Object 184", where the hatch on two, very tight ridges and two hinges, opens outward.
                    In principle, it is more convenient, nothing interferes inside the tank and, theoretically, the open cover covers from fire from the front (evacuation to the stern). But if the ground is not even, then ... do not open the lid all the way. Loop analysis is provided for this, but, to be honest, I don’t remember such a case, there was no time for this.
                    Wouldn't be surprised if it was redone again.))
                    This summer I worked a little on the B3, but I didn’t even look at what kind of “hero hatch” he had. Well, good.))

                    Alex.
                    1. Bad_gr
                      Bad_gr 7 December 2022 19: 11
                      +1
                      Quote: Aleks tv
                      Alex.
                      Alex, good evening!
                      Quote: Aleks tv
                      "Object 184", there is a hatch on two, very tight ridges and two hinges, opens outward.
                      Thanks for the info, didn't know that.
                      In my opinion, the hatch to the outside is not practical, because sooner or later, the tank will start moving with the hatch open and tear it off or bend it, which is fraught with problems. I may be wrong, but I have had driving with unscrewed technical hatches in my practice.
                      By the way, Abrams does not have an escape hatch
                      1. Aleks tv
                        Aleks tv 7 December 2022 20: 03
                        +2
                        . In my opinion, the hatch to the outside is not practical, because sooner or later, the tank will start moving with the hatch open and tear it off or bend it

                        Well, yes, not without it.
                        But the most bummer is what he wrote - he can lean on the uneven ground and .... do not get out.
                        It was so.
                      2. PSih2097
                        PSih2097 10 December 2022 18: 37
                        +1
                        Quote: Bad_gr
                        By the way, Abrams does not have an escape hatch

                        there the "Negro-river-coder" will not crawl ... laughing
          2. vlad2000
            vlad2000 6 December 2022 11: 19
            +2
            another specialist-critic)))) where did you see the rgd-5 with 40g of TNT?))) Is it some kind of special children's grenade?)) actually, the TNT in the rgd-5 is only 110g
            1. Demon_is_ada
              Demon_is_ada 6 December 2022 21: 44
              +2
              So much the worse for the author of the article laughing
              I mixed it up a little with f coy, there's about that, not enough ... But to stab and that's enough
              Ps. It seems that for tankers just defensive ones are laid?
            2. Bad thing
              Bad thing 7 December 2022 21: 06
              +2
              It also says about a removable fragmentation shirt, can you tell me more about removing the fragmentation shirt from the RGD-5? laughing
            3. aglet
              aglet 9 December 2022 11: 35
              0
              "actually, TNT in RGD-5 is only 110g"
              and how to take off her "fragmentation shirt", which she never had?
          3. Letun
            Letun 6 December 2022 12: 04
            +9
            Quote: Demon_is_ada
            An article with an "expert" opinion at the same level as about welded hatches

            Yes, more. The author of the campaign was sitting in the tank where the hatch was opened by a grenade explosion laughing This kind of crap needs to be put down. The main grinder is something unrealistic, but to survive in the confined space of a tank in which a GRENADE EXPLOSION KNOCKS A WELDED HATCH is the norm. wassat
            1. Aleks tv
              Aleks tv 7 December 2022 13: 31
              0
              Quote: Letun
              Quote: Demon_is_ada
              An article with an "expert" opinion at the same level as about welded hatches

              Yes, more. The author of the campaign was sitting in the tank where the hatch was opened by a grenade explosion laughing This kind of crap needs to be put down. The main grinder is something unrealistic, but to survive in the confined space of a tank in which a GRENADE EXPLOSION KNOCKS A WELDED HATCH is the norm. wassat

              Yes, the Author had to endure 5 shell shocks in the tank, and this is only official.

              I have a question for you, as well as for everyone who scoffs about blowing up the hatch of the hero RGD-5:

              Here you are "brewed", you are now 100% potential dead.
              How do you plan to get out if there are no options to help outside ???
              Suggest, write to the point.

              I made my choice.
              Yes, the concussion will be the hardest,
              Yes, maybe someone will die, but not all three.
              Do you think that the crew, already practically dead, would not agree to take a chance?
              I don't see any other option than this. I can prepare the car with minimizing damage to the crew. I also want to live.
              ........
              Write on the case, as it was before on VO.
              1. Letun
                Letun 7 December 2022 16: 26
                +2
                Quote: Aleks tv
                Here you are "brewed", you are now 100% potential dead.
                How do you plan to get out if there are no options to help outside ???
                Suggest, write to the point.

                Of course, it is difficult to answer this question at home. Moreover, the answer makes no sense, because this story is already 100% exposed fake. But if you fantasize and imagine how they are pushed at gunpoint into a tank and brewed, they say you are a suicide bomber. Well, I don’t know, I would have shied away at these welders first. But this is all empty chatter, I repeat.
                And explode inside with a grenade in the hope that it will knock out the welded hatch, and not the eyes through the ears, well, it’s more reliable - turn the tower back and go give up so that they can be cut out with a grinder. Although yes, with your theory "where did they get a grinder from there ?!" already familiarized lol
                1. Aleks tv
                  Aleks tv 7 December 2022 16: 53
                  +2
                  . Well, I don’t know, I would have shied away at these welders first.

                  That's very logical!
                  Yesterday afternoon, below in the comment thread, I replied with the same paragraph.))
                  . And explode inside with a grenade in the hope that it will knock out the welded hatch, and not the eyes through the ears, well, it’s more reliable - turn the tower back and go give up,

                  You know, I didn’t even consider this issue, and not because I’m a stoned patriot, no ...))
                  It’s just that somehow I came across an enemy who didn’t make sense to give up ...))))))))
                  Although now the Czechs and I are brothers, sealed by blood and fighting against a genetic brother. And our fathers fought against the spirits together.
                  In a twist...
                  ........
                  In general, this is an idiotic tale, it just "catches", so they blow it into their ears.
                  But the hatch can jam, it happens. Maybe that's how this thread was born.
                  ........
                  You are also 10 years on the site. Well, at least I talked to someone from the old composition.))
                  Alex.
                  1. PSih2097
                    PSih2097 10 December 2022 18: 39
                    +1
                    Quote: Aleks tv
                    Although now the Czechs and I are brothers, sealed by blood and fighting against a genetic brother. And our fathers fought against the spirits together.

                    And even earlier, all together against the Germans ...
              2. aglet
                aglet 9 December 2022 12: 02
                -1
                "Yes, the Author had to endure 5 shell shocks in the tank, and this is only official"
                it's hard to hide laughing
                "I made my choice.
                Yes, the concussion will be the hardest."
                grenade explosion inside knock out the hatch of the tank, which inwards opens up - that's what shell shock does to people laughing
                myths, fairy tales, legends and toasts (especially toasts), no matter how you comment. they do not become more truthful from this. well, and know a little about what you are talking about
                1. Aleks tv
                  Aleks tv 9 December 2022 13: 04
                  0
                  Quote: aglet
                  "Yes, the Author had to endure 5 shell shocks in the tank, and this is only official"
                  it's hard to hide laughing
                  "I made my choice.
                  Yes, the concussion will be the hardest."
                  grenade explosion inside knock out the hatch of the tank, which inwards opens up - that's what shell shock does to people laughing
                  myths, fairy tales, legends and toasts (especially toasts), no matter how you comment. they do not become more truthful from this. well, and know a little about what you are talking about

                  You should have read more about the types of escape hatches (right there, in the comments) before hitting the keyboard at high speed.

                  And I'm not at all interested in your genius in the skill of verbal battles.

                  Just offer your own version of how the crew can get out of the blocked car.
                  Prove to me that there is a safer option than mine, fraught with great risk.

                  Then I will gladly agree with you that I was wrong.
                  Forward.
                  1. aglet
                    aglet 10 December 2022 09: 16
                    -2
                    "Just offer Your own version of how the crew can get out of the blocked car."
                    I don't comment on stupid suggestions. no one will ever weld hatches on a tank, neither a Ukrainian, nor a Papuan, nor a Negro of advanced years.
                    "You should have read more carefully about the types of escape hatches (right there, in the comments),"
                    Here they just write that they open inwards. You don't seem to read comments other than your own.
                    "Just make your suggestion"
                    through the hatch, venerable, through the hatch. the tank has several of them, and they cannot be blocked all at once.
                    1. Aleks tv
                      Aleks tv 10 December 2022 14: 29
                      0
                      . Here they just write that they open inwards. You don't seem to read comments other than your own.

                      I'm just reading. Thanks to Volodya for reminding me about Object 172m, I haven't been in it for a long time.
                      Various hatches.
                      Someday you will climb into the T-72A and T-72B, you will understand.

                      . stupid suggestions do not comment

                      Well, in general, you can’t say anything about the case ...
                      Then there is nothing to talk about.
                      All the best.
                      1. aglet
                        aglet 10 December 2022 14: 34
                        0
                        "Well, actually, you can't say anything about the case..."
                        well, if you consider welding hatches a matter, then yes, I can’t
            2. stankow
              stankow 7 December 2022 19: 23
              0
              By the way, finally, the available angle grinders on batteries. Whatever they don’t supply at the forefront, you can get hold of this. But in general, blocking the crew is nonsense.
          4. VicktorVR
            VicktorVR 7 December 2022 09: 43
            +1
            I agree.
            Careful need ...
            In general, if the author is not in the know, grinders have long been on batteries, and a particularly powerful generator for a 125mm grinder is not needed, it has a rated power usually within 1 kW, rare prof. models have up to 2 kW, and why can't the fighters, even at the front line, have a generator? An unusually useful thing in the field, not pocketable, yes, well, there seem to be no special problems with transport.

            In general, the author, in order to refute one dubious statement, piled up several dubious statements.
            And how to treat them (the author and the original statement) after that?

            There was a feeling that the author was an ordinary fighter of the information sawing front, they gave him money and told him to make some kind of refutation ...
            But there was not enough money for a competent specialist, and there was half an hour ...
            1. Aleks tv
              Aleks tv 7 December 2022 13: 45
              +1
              . There was a feeling that the author was an ordinary fighter of the information sawing front, they gave him money and told him to make some kind of refutation ...
              But there was not enough money for a competent specialist, and there was half an hour ...

              What are you, "... modern VO commentators ...", quick to judge and obscene labeling specialists.
              No to write something on the case.
              Have you forgotten the principle "criticize - offer" ???

              Well, duck and write on the case, how you are going to get out of the immured tank on your own.

              Yes, and try to find at least one battery grinder in the NWO.
              I haven't met.
              .............

              And generally speaking, the main message of the article was that "brewing" initially does not make sense. The combat effectiveness of such a machine is 0%.

              Does x.o.hlov have no logic and no brains?
              Yeah, we can’t cope with the Martians for 9 months ???
              Irritation takes on such "inf.propaganda" on our part.
          5. Tagir Kilmakaev
            Tagir Kilmakaev 12 December 2022 16: 54
            -1
            And the destroyed houses allegedly from the explosion of a gas cylinder are also designed for boobies. The entrances collapse if the supporting columns in the basement of the house are blown up. And from a gas explosion, windows and doors fly out, most often wooden soviet ones.
      2. runway-1
        runway-1 6 December 2022 20: 43
        +3
        Well, quite often it turns out to be treated as idiots, unfortunately. Apparently nonsense falls on fertile ground, so to speak.
      3. Mikhail Krivopalov
        Mikhail Krivopalov 7 December 2022 03: 58
        +1
        One not-good figure in charge of propaganda in Nazi Germany said that the more monstrous the lie, the more people would believe it. Create an image of the enemy, dehumanize him, and sculpt any nonsense, they will believe. In the USA in the 60s, adults who occupied solid post offices believed that the Bolsheviks had horns on their heads. (thanks to propaganda)
      4. -Igor-
        -Igor- 7 December 2022 09: 27
        0
        It's amazing not that people are taken for idiots, but that they are then surprised when they stop believing in them
    3. SARANCHA1976
      SARANCHA1976 7 December 2022 14: 17
      0
      As one criminal said. No body, no business
    4. stankow
      stankow 7 December 2022 19: 13
      +1
      Even if the tank detonates and burns out completely, traces of welding and then cutting will remain. Well, let them take pictures and show the carcass of a tank with such traces! The law does not forbid such a thing to remove and show!
    5. Johann Klassen
      Johann Klassen 7 December 2022 23: 46
      0
      For many decades, first of all in Germany at the state level, in particular the Ministry of Justice in special documents "claims" that the crimes of the German Nazis on the territory of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics do not have any reliable evidence, that is, "complete denial".
      Most recently, the Bundestag recognized the "Nureberg Tribunal" as the genocide of the German people, and I. Stalin was the main culprit.
      And "Petrov and Basharov" behind enemy lines - what's that?
  3. Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
    Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov 6 December 2022 07: 34
    -2
    Best of all, the enemy is humiliated by defeats in real theaters of war. Although it is also possible on information but better overall. Oh, the most terrible and effective weapon is the truth

    ***
    “I think there is power in truth. Whoever has the truth is the stronger one ... "
    - Danila Bagrov.
    ***
    1. dmi.pris1
      dmi.pris1 6 December 2022 08: 40
      +2
      So where is the truth on our part? An outright lie in this case. Yes, and not only in this.
      1. Johann Klassen
        Johann Klassen 7 December 2022 23: 51
        +1
        Do you remember the SovInformBuro reports.
        Then, in your opinion, it was a complete "disinformation" of the citizens of the Soviet Union.
    2. SARANCHA1976
      SARANCHA1976 7 December 2022 14: 19
      0
      And I went with my brother to America to knock out grandmothers
  4. Al manah
    Al manah 6 December 2022 07: 34
    +4
    why take us all for fools, telling fairy tales under the guise of real deeds?

    So that they don’t doubt, but applaud and grumble in unison.
  5. Machito
    Machito 6 December 2022 07: 36
    +1
    What author is still incredulous. They tell him: Eurofascists, but he demands proof.
    A fascist - he is a fascist in Africa too.
    And hatches in tanks brews. drinks
    1. SARANCHA1976
      SARANCHA1976 7 December 2022 14: 20
      0
      Well, brewing hatches in tanks is an old fascist fun ..
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 10 December 2022 18: 43
        0
        and chained to machine guns in pillboxes / bunkers, but again, these were exclusively penal ones ...
        1. SARANCHA1976
          SARANCHA1976 11 December 2022 08: 13
          +1
          If so, that was sarcasm. That a fascist, that a patriot will not deal with such crap, because it is unreliable and impractical
  6. Sergei Viktorovich Korolev
    Sergei Viktorovich Korolev 6 December 2022 07: 41
    -2
    It's just that all these paper maracas will make a sensation on the death of the mother! And this is the level of the media. The level of a journalist. The level of a listener-viewer. And as a consequence of Education .morality.
    1. Cheshire
      Cheshire 6 December 2022 08: 57
      +2
      Sergey, I read it twice, and still did not understand the meaning of the first sentence that you put into it. I understood only the general message about the low level of everything around. Could you use punctuation and general spelling more effectively in the future? After all, as I understand it, this shows the level of Education.
      Thanks in advance, Maxim. hi
  7. Leader_Barmaleev
    Leader_Barmaleev 6 December 2022 07: 43
    +3
    In fact, the story about "welded hatches" did not appear in this war. During the Second World War, there were also Finnish "cuckoos" (only they were put on a chain not by their own, but still by the Germans, for whom the Finns were always consumables), there were kamikazes with a falling off chassis and without a parachute - they went to their death regardless of result. There were also single-seat torpedo submarines. But the main thing - there were pillboxes stuffed with cartridges to the very worst with tightly welded exits. Apparently, these historical facts prompted modern myth-makers to create tales about disposable crews. Well, what is scary and plausible, for those who do not know how to use the brain - and such people are the majority at all times.
    1. Eule
      Eule 6 December 2022 08: 52
      0
      Quote: Leader_Barmaleev
      pillboxes stuffed with cartridges I can’t do it with tightly welded exits.

      Completely different. Finnish bunker is very autonomous. Living quarters, a well with water, a supply of food, a stove and firewood. Toilet type toilet, with a pipe into the cesspool. You can live by firing back for some time, until there are cartridges and the DRG does not throw a grenade at the door. Therefore, this could be, they grabbed it with reinforcement across - and the door could not be thrown open to throw a grenade. Then they calculated either to repel the bunker with an offensive, or inside the heroes who decided not to surrender (or blood feud for something). Or a disguised underground passage to escape if it is impossible to defend.
      In the tank, there is no habitability, except for the "hero's hatch" as a toilet, and flasks of water.
    2. frog
      frog 6 December 2022 13: 31
      +1
      Purely out of curiosity.....
      Pruftsov would be interested in this matter, passionately interesting .... A film about a Lapland practical young lady and quotes from Pravda can not be offered).
      I would like more sane sources about chained and brewed.
      With kamikazes your calico. Many pilots in Japanese naval aviation simply flew without parachutes. What did not prevent them from wanting to live strongly .....
      1. Leader_Barmaleev
        Leader_Barmaleev 6 December 2022 13: 36
        0
        https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/134479?hl=ru
        Enjoy
        1. frog
          frog 6 December 2022 14: 15
          0
          Sorry for some woodenness, but this request does not work, sorry again. Could you be a little more specific about the address?
          1. Leader_Barmaleev
            Leader_Barmaleev 6 December 2022 14: 31
            0
            Eh, the joke is gone - this address was highlighted to me by a search engine in response to the request "how to use the search engine." I somehow use paper books in the old fashioned way, and in the eight-volume Soviet military encyclopedia there are several articles about the use of suicide fighters at different times by different armies. Most of all, of course, in the Second World War. It is not my reference book, but I do not complain about memory. Scanning pages and uploading them, to be honest, I’m broke - my activity on the site today is caused by the fact that I’m a little sick, I’m sitting at home and staring at the computer, but I still don’t want to move. So you can just believe me that the phenomenon took place in history, you can search for yourself. But even the simplest query "suicide bombers chained to machine guns" pops up a bunch of links
            https://russian7.ru/post/prikovannye-pulemetchiki-v-kakikh-sluch/
            https://rg.ru/2020/09/02/v-minoborony-rasskazali-o-dejstviiah-iaponskih-kamikadze-v-konce-vojny.html
            Well and further a different degree of reliability. All the best hi
            1. frog
              frog 6 December 2022 15: 08
              +2
              Thanks of course hi . But I already knew about these .... materials. And yet there are some ..... let it be, doubts. I am for the prevalence, esssno, isolated cases were quite the place to be. In any case - thanks
            2. -Igor-
              -Igor- 7 December 2022 09: 55
              +1
              Sorry, but you are talking about "cuckoos" on a chain chained, and you give a link to a dubious article about German machine gunners in the spring of 1945 (at that time the leadership of the Reich was completely crazy, so cases are quite possible, but still more episodic example).
              At the expense of kamikaze, the flight without a landing gear and a parachute was rather made not so that they could not escape, but because the pilot no longer needed them.
              But in any case, it all comes down to the fact that if the "suicide bomber" does not have the motivation to die, then he, even on a chain, even in a littered pillbox, will look for an opportunity to survive, and not to fight.
              1. Vasilyevich Pensioner
                Vasilyevich Pensioner 7 December 2022 10: 03
                +2
                at that time, the roof of the Reich leadership was completely gone
                Doesn't it work for today's Ukrainians? If they install air defense systems not along the perimeter of the settlement, but in a residential area.
                1. -Igor-
                  -Igor- 7 December 2022 12: 23
                  -1
                  Absolutely incomparable examples.
                  The Nazis, when Zhukov and Konev approached Berlin, drowned the inhabitants of Berlin and gave grenades to children. What you cite as an example is more about unprofessionalism, but not a moving roof.
                  Although, there are rumors that if you constantly say "halva", then it will still become sweet. That's just the stupidity of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the madness of Zelensky, trash instead of equipment and other joyful statements do not go well with 9 months of the SVO and the regroupings of the Russian Army
                  1. Vasilyevich Pensioner
                    Vasilyevich Pensioner 7 December 2022 12: 39
                    +1
                    And why compare them, each roof rides in its own way. The population doesn't care if it's similar or not. Every situation has its own personality.
                    1. -Igor-
                      -Igor- 7 December 2022 13: 19
                      -1
                      You yourself began to compare, and now "why compare them."
                      1. Vasilyevich Pensioner
                        Vasilyevich Pensioner 7 December 2022 13: 24
                        0
                        Where is the comparison in the comment? There was a message that the current authorities of Ukraine also went crazy. What is the comparison? Just a diagnosis of their condition.
                      2. -Igor-
                        -Igor- 7 December 2022 14: 07
                        0
                        Quote: -Igor-
                        at that time, the roof of the Reich leadership was completely gone

                        Quote: Vasilyevich Pensioner
                        Doesn't it work for today's Ukrainians? If they are air defense systems ...
                        you, in response to the madness of the Nazis, give the example of Kyiv. This is not a comparison / comparison / equalization in your opinion?
                        Or how do you understand?
                      3. Vasilyevich Pensioner
                        Vasilyevich Pensioner 7 December 2022 14: 13
                        0
                        The roof has gone - this is a diagnosis of the state of the leadership. And they compare, this is when the same thing, or a similar action occurs here and there.
  8. Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira
    Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira 6 December 2022 07: 44
    +6
    This is from the series: Lithuanian snipers were sitting in the tank with the crew! Everything is as if for selection, in white tights and with grenades without checks, well, you know where ......
    1. Evil543
      Evil543 6 December 2022 08: 15
      0
      Everything is as if for selection, in white tights and with grenades without checks, well, you know where ......
      Well, I won’t say anything about it, but near Bamut in the spring of 96, when inspecting the positions of the militants, tampaks were used.
      1. SARANCHA1976
        SARANCHA1976 7 December 2022 14: 25
        +2
        Tampex initially stupidly plugged a bullet, then there was no such advanced medicine.
        1. Evil543
          Evil543 7 December 2022 21: 33
          0
          Have you seen? You don't have to repeat what you heard. The militants had imported packs of combatants with good dressings, better than our IPPs.
          1. SARANCHA1976
            SARANCHA1976 8 December 2022 09: 38
            0
            Not at all and not always, especially in the first company.
  9. Boris55
    Boris55 6 December 2022 07: 46
    -18
    Officials must be trusted - Konoshenko. Everything else is the opinion of individuals. The media have the right to voice private opinions, including false ones. Genre show This implies.
    The more noise, the higher the rating.
    The higher the rating, the more ads,
    The more ads, the more money.
    1. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 6 December 2022 08: 16
      +7
      Quote: Boris55
      Officials must be trusted - Konoshenko.

      but do not justify, why is it necessary?
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 6 December 2022 08: 37
        -16
        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
        but do not justify, why is it necessary?

        The position is binding. If the position does not oblige, then it also kills. First morally, and then physically.

        Officials speak on behalf of the state, and the state is us, all of us.
        Can we make mistakes, be mistaken - we can, but not lie.
        And, most importantly, they are ours. He who believes not ours is not our man.

        ps
        In 1917, with the destruction of the army, the state was destroyed.
        In the 1990s, with the destruction of the army, the state was destroyed.
        Today, distrust of the officers of the Russian Defense Ministry leads to the destruction of Russia.
        STOP!!!
        1. 2 Level Advisor
          2 Level Advisor 6 December 2022 11: 33
          +11
          Quote: Boris55
          Officials speak on behalf of the state, and the state is us, all of us.

          So they are with us on behalf of us, are they talking or what? Or are you talking about propaganda?
          Quote: Boris55
          He who believes not ours is not our man.

          an anecdote comes to mind, about "gentlemen take their word for it ..." but in general - is it necessary to believe a picture from some TV? real people in life are very different from her .. and believing politicians unconditionally is a stupid thing .. at least whose .. you can believe in God .. and people are people .. they can be trusted only if they have earned trust ..
          Quote: Boris55
          In 1917, with the destruction of the army, the state was destroyed.
          In the 1990s, with the destruction of the army, the state was destroyed.

          Boris, don't you confuse the effect with the cause? this is where the army was destroyed in the 90s? The army is definitely not the reason for the collapse of the USSR ...
          You know, I’ll dedicate Pushkin’s lines to you, they are right on topic:
          But pretend! This look
          Everything can be expressed so wonderfully!
          Ah, it's not difficult to deceive me! ..
          I'm happy to deceive myself!
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 7 December 2022 08: 18
            0
            Quote: Level 2 Advisor
            So they are with us on behalf of us, are they talking or what?

            The people choose the power that has it.

            Quote: Level 2 Advisor
            you can believe in God

            You can believe that the recidivist will improve, but God must be trusted (without "c").

            Quote: Level 2 Advisor
            this is where the army was destroyed in the 90s?

            When they did not pay money for 2-3 months. In that, when instead of service, they were moonlighting wherever they could, in that, when I demolished wedding rings for resellers in order to feed the children ... When soldiers are abandoned, and officers are busy with self-survival and the survival of their families, this is not an army.

            Quote: Level 2 Advisor
            The army is definitely not the reason for the collapse of the USSR ...

            That's for sure. The task of the army is to protect the state from external enemies. To solve internal problems, internal troops are provided.

        2. yuriy55
          yuriy55 6 December 2022 14: 27
          +4
          Quote: Boris55
          In 1917, with the destruction of the army, the state was destroyed.
          In the 1990s, with the destruction of the army, the state was destroyed.
          Today, distrust of the officers of the Russian Defense Ministry leads to the destruction of Russia.
          STOP!!!

          I was constantly annoyed by your deliberate distortion of the truth ... Just like that, in passing ... There are people who enter the site and express very contradictory thoughts. Here, for example, is an Israeli subject Aron with a Jewish “Budyonovka” on his avatar. But he has ironclad arguments. What do you have?!
          From you - one bedlam,
          Shame on the king, embarrassment to the ambassadors!
          I have been antirezing for a long time
          Are you not sent to us? ..

          In 1917, the Republic of Ingushetia collapsed because the upper classes could not govern as required, and the lower classes no longer wanted to live in this nonsense, to participate in a war that was beneficial to the imperialists (BUT NOT TO THE PEOPLES). And the army, consisting of representatives of the lower classes, simply supported another force that managed to take on all the hardships and hardships ...
          In the 1990s, the army was not destroyed. She was given orders that did not correspond to either the tasks of the Armed Forces or their purpose ... The Armed Forces were destroyed, as that force capable of simply destroying not only the external, but also the internal enemy ... And the special departments of the army made a huge contribution to "reasoning" obstinate officers, giving the rest the right to leave their "winter apartments", places of service and go out into the open fields, not adapted to the life of families of military personnel, putting them before the choice to continue serving the one who will name himself governor President or resign from the ranks. Or was it not? Or gray personalities didn’t get up at meetings of the OS and didn’t ask: “Are you tired of wearing shoulder straps, Comrade Lieutenant Colonel?”
          Today, the peoples of Russia have absolutely no distrust of those soldiers who do their duty at the cost of their own lives and their own health. There are a number of questions for those wearing generals' shoulder straps, such as: "Why are you here and whom do you serve?" Not to the announcer of the Ministry of Defense, whose military rank is higher than the rank of commander of a formation (division) and corresponds to the rank of commander of individual branches of the troops of an association (army) ... We are very “pleased” to see that the redeployment of troops leads to such results when we cannot understand what is happening even lieutenant general...
          If the bread becomes moldy, this does not mean that the baker baked it incorrectly. This means that they threw it anywhere and forgot that it was bread ...
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 7 December 2022 08: 21
            0
            Quote: yuriy55
            In 1917, the Republic of Ingushetia collapsed because the upper classes could not govern as required, and the lower classes no longer wanted to live in this nonsense, to participate in the war

            The destruction of any state begins with the discrediting of its institutions, incl. military.

            Every revolution requires careful preparation. Remember the populists, the bombers, etc. Bulgakov described it this way in Heart of a Dog:



            Pay back.
            In the beginning, the intelligentsia gave the people one-sided knowledge (they made a "man" out of an animal) that the managers were to blame for all their troubles, and when the people (Sharikovs) began to kill all the managers, they froze in mournful silence ...

            You don't have to repeat their mistakes. By discrediting our power, you are destroying our state. And by the way. Konoshenko never lied, and distrust of his words is the result of Western propaganda.
            1. yuriy55
              yuriy55 7 December 2022 11: 35
              0
              Quote: Boris55
              Pay back.

              Don't fucking look at your ass if your face is full of shit...
              I had the honor to personally see what the authorities are capable of and how they fought for their privileges...
              I do not need to discredit your authority, but no one will force me to believe what is not...
              I already had the “happiness of communication” with you and expressed everything about you, including, I can add - your provocation and bringing me under a criminal article were unsuccessful. If the government itself admits its mistakes, this is already good. The structure of life in the country depends on it, and not on you (and not on me).
      2. Gvardeetz77
        Gvardeetz77 6 December 2022 08: 56
        +4
        Quote: 2 level advisor
        Quote: Boris55
        Officials must be trusted - Konoshenko.

        but do not justify, why is it necessary?

        And apparently because if you constantly listen to him alone, then there will be no other "bad" questions, and all disputes will be reduced to the option of a loss ratio of 1k1000 or 1k1500 in favor of the Reds
  10. ZAV69
    ZAV69 6 December 2022 07: 50
    +7
    And no one remembered the original source from the Strugatskys.
    1. your1970
      your1970 6 December 2022 12: 04
      +4
      Quote: ZAV69
      And no one remembered the original source from the Strugatskys.

      By the way, yes...
  11. Ka-52
    Ka-52 6 December 2022 07: 53
    0
    The authors are serious people, but they seriously discuss propaganda tales. There are plenty of those in the history of any war. People with such brains simply pass by their ears. Well, the rest are worthy of such a "raspberry". I won’t be surprised that these are just front-line tales for a red word, specially told to lop-eared "military officers"
  12. Waterways 672
    Waterways 672 6 December 2022 08: 04
    +15
    On REN-TV yesterday they talked about these welded hatches. There it turns out that cigarettes were passed to the blocked crew through the barrel of the gun while they were looking for the grinder. But here there are no complaints about the TV channel - REN - TV all the same.
  13. Foundling
    Foundling 6 December 2022 08: 09
    +6
    Unfortunately, the appearance of these banks is an extremely alarming sign. If there is a need for such stories, then there is a desire to escape from reality.
    1. frog
      frog 6 December 2022 15: 11
      0
      Unfortunately, the appearance of these banks is an extremely alarming sign. If there is a need for such stories, then there is a desire to escape from reality.

      Did it disappear from us? In this there is a touching unity of counts, revolutionaries, and still none of today ... foremen of perestroika .... A bond, one might say lol
  14. ammunition
    ammunition 6 December 2022 08: 12
    +6
    All these creepy tales .. to "demonize" the enemy. Welded hatches are nothing. There are stories (lies) much creepier.
    And it works.. The hate is rampant. Soldiers on the other side are considered worse than any monsters.
    And here comes the question -
    Can a lie be used in a just and holy cause? Not ! can not.
  15. Nikolay Malyugin
    Nikolay Malyugin 6 December 2022 08: 40
    -2
    People hide everything. Now I read an advertisement for a cash book, where a seasoned opera moves into the body of a schoolboy. And if you follow reality, then it is sometimes necessary to look into criminal reports. There, too, there is a war not for life, but for death. And this is not somewhere in America, but under our noses. If we do not seriously consider this point, we are in for big trouble.
  16. Gvardeetz77
    Gvardeetz77 6 December 2022 08: 44
    +1
    Everyone has their own "truth", they have a Ghost, landing regiments of "orc" fighters, we have welded hatches and everything NATO is fighting against us, that's how we live ...
    1. frog
      frog 6 December 2022 15: 49
      +1
      that is how we live...

      So, relatives lol Well, besides, it has always been like this for everyone. Tradition-since feel
  17. Vasilyevich Pensioner
    Vasilyevich Pensioner 6 December 2022 08: 47
    -3
    Not for what happened or not. But just about what the author gave the reasons for the impossibility.
    Brew problems. What's the problem? Weld a small obstacle to open the hatch and do not open it with any effort. About the lower hatch and a grenade. The author is placed in such a situation and offered to use a grenade. Besides, how does the author know that the crew had a grenade? They could easily have seized the grenades before the beginning of this story.
    As for the difficulty of movement / orientation with the commander's / driver's hatch not open. Another nonsense. Even the simplest example in tank biathlon, where there are a lot of obstacles and the need for maneuvering, proves the inconsistency of the author's version. And in a combat situation, the slightest protrusion from the tower and there is no tanker - they will shoot.
    As for the fear of being saved during an explosion. Another nonsense, sending them don't think about it, they don't give a damn.
    About refueling / ammunition and so on. The author, but before blocking the hatches, all this cannot be done? Also, the crew is sent on a raid for hundreds of kilometers?
    About the stupidity of sending the crew into a one-time battle. And that vushniks do not do any stupid things? The prisoners report that they are being sent into battle, and the commanders are leaving for the rear. There is nothing more stupid than this.
    About the grinder with a gas generator. Actually, there are grinders with a gasoline engine. And why shouldn't it be. Rem base completely bezovsego? In addition, she could not be there, but they brought her.
    About how it is possible to land the crew, and he resignedly agreed. T / e stories of prisoners that they have a lot of cases when fighters who did not agree with something were shot in front of the formation - is that about nothing?
    About how they went and about the machine gun in the tank. Does the machine gun have ammo? And if they don’t go, couldn’t they threaten to destroy them with anti-tank weapons?

    Once again, I'm not talking about what it was. And about the author's arguments that this is impossible to do.
    1. User_neydobniu
      User_neydobniu 6 December 2022 10: 15
      +1
      About how they went and about the machine gun in the tank. Does the machine gun have ammo? And if they don’t go, couldn’t they threaten to destroy them with anti-tank weapons?

      And Ukraine has so many tanks that they are sent without shells and cartridges into battle with crews who do not want to fight, and what is the combat value of this equipment on the battlefield? )
      1. Vasilyevich Pensioner
        Vasilyevich Pensioner 6 December 2022 10: 21
        -1
        you are inattentive, you did not report about the absence of shells. About value. This can be seen from the reports when they send their tanks into battle in a deliberately losing situation. And what they can think at such moments, you need to ask them, not me.
        1. User_neydobniu
          User_neydobniu 6 December 2022 10: 45
          +1
          About value. This can be seen from the reports when they send their tanks into battle in a deliberately losing situation.

          Those. they purposefully send their equipment for slaughter, draining it ... And then one question arises, if they are working for a loss, then why is the SVO not finished yet, and all the armored vehicles of Ukraine continue to roll around the battlefields while still managing to fight?
          Logically it doesn't fit.

          Even in the original source, tales, decrepit armored vehicles without shells were supplied with criminals, and foreigners were placed behind them. detachment with modern armed vehicles and drove to clear minefields, i.e. and then the logic was present, but here something is not visible point-blank
          1. Vasilyevich Pensioner
            Vasilyevich Pensioner 6 December 2022 10: 53
            -3
            Those. they purposefully send their equipment for slaughter, draining it ...
            I have no idea why they do this.
            And here one question arises, if they work for a loss, then why is the CBO not finished yet
            Again, the question is in the wrong place. And about why, it has long been chewed. They have mobilized many times more than the number with which we entered. T / e for the offensive there is not enough flank support. Which is now corrected.
            and all the armored vehicles of Ukraine continue to ride across the battlefields while also managing to fight?
            Well, as the shooting from drones shows, they ride, but the fact that this technique is at war is doubtful.
            Logically it doesn't fit.
            And when did they have logic?
            1. User_neydobniu
              User_neydobniu 6 December 2022 11: 00
              +2
              I have no idea why they do this.

              Well, as the shooting from drones shows, they ride, but the fact that this technique is at war is doubtful.

              And when did they have logic?

              If they don’t have logic, their equipment doesn’t fight, then how do they hold the front for 9 months?
              And where does the number of mobilized if, as you say, fight, they don’t fight, but are engaged in something that defies logic?
              More and more questions
              1. Vasilyevich Pensioner
                Vasilyevich Pensioner 6 December 2022 11: 06
                -1
                If they don’t have logic, their equipment doesn’t fight, then how do they hold the front for 9 months?
                The number of mobilized and now I don’t say a word about them.
                And where does the number of mobilized if, as you say, fight, they don’t fight
                You are inattentive, about the mobilized - do not fight, did not report. Only about how mediocre use of technology.
                More and more questions
                And you still address them to the wrong address.
                1. User_neydobniu
                  User_neydobniu 6 December 2022 11: 25
                  0
                  The number of mobilized and now I don’t say a word about them.

                  Stop the mobilized people are put into tanks and boiled, therefore they surrender and do not burn with any desire to fight? Or are the best tankers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine sent into battle like that, again, is it not clear?
                  You are inattentive, about the mobilized - do not fight, did not report. Only about how mediocre use of technology.

                  Those. mobilized like Rimbaud without the support of any equipment and with minimal training for 9 months in a row manage to hold the front and counterattack?
                  And you still address them to the wrong address.

                  Well, you say that Ukrainians on vehicles instead of fighting are engaged in brewing hatches, but I'm trying to understand how they fight in such cases.
                  1. Vasilyevich Pensioner
                    Vasilyevich Pensioner 6 December 2022 11: 34
                    -2
                    Stop mobilized put in tanks brewed
                    In which comment did I mention this?
                    Those. mobilized like rambo without the support of any technique
                    Again, your invention, not my messages.
                    with minimal training for 9 months in a row they manage to hold the front
                    This has already been spoken about, if it slipped out of my head, my messages are in place.
                    and counterattack?
                    And for this, only human resources are needed, which are constantly supplied.
                    Well, you say that Ukrainians on vehicles instead of fighting are engaged in brewing hatches
                    Your super inattentiveness ceased to amaze me. In what comment did I report this?
                    I'm struggling to understand how they fight in such cases.
                    Here you have led yourself into an impenetrable dead end. But that's your problem.
                    1. User_neydobniu
                      User_neydobniu 6 December 2022 11: 44
                      +1
                      And for this, only human resources are needed, which are constantly supplied

                      Those. for military operations in the 21st century, equipment is not needed, since, according to you, it rides among Ukrainians and does not fight?
                      Here you have led yourself into an impenetrable dead end. But that's your problem.

                      Those. Can't you explain why the Ukrainians are brewing crews into tanks?
                      As far as I understood from your chaotic answers, this is because Ukrainians are idiots. But if they are idiots who do the devil knows what, then why have we been with them for 9 months, it should be easy and natural to fight with idiots, but this is not observed ....
                      1. Vasilyevich Pensioner
                        Vasilyevich Pensioner 6 December 2022 11: 54
                        -2
                        Those. military operations in the 21st century do not need equipment
                        Even the West has said that the war is being fought not like during the Second World War, but like in the First. Well, you keep thinking about yours.
                        because from your words she rides with the Ukrainians and does not fight?
                        Have you tried reading without thinking about your own? Use technology recklessly.
                        Those. Can't you explain why the Ukrainians are brewing crews into tanks?
                        And should? You keep asking the wrong questions.
                        As far as I understood from your chaotic answers
                        Your questions are completely out of touch with reality.
                        this is because Ukrainians are idiots.
                        Your imagination is your imagination and that is your problem.
                        But if they are idiots who do the devil knows what, then why are we with them for 9 months then
                        Are you suggesting that if you post the same question over and over, I will keep repeating my answer? This has been answered.
                        fight with idiots should be easy and natural
                        If you have experience with this, please share it. Just not with me. Guess with whom?
                        but this is not observed.
                        Are you broadcasting live from the scene? ......
    2. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 6 December 2022 12: 31
      +3
      Quote: Vasilyevich Pensioner
      about the author's arguments that this cannot be done

      I agree! The arguments of the author of the article are an example of literary fraud ... as well as stories about "welded hatches" and chained machine gunners!
    3. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 6 December 2022 13: 09
      +1
      Quote: Vasilyevich Pensioner
      Not for what happened or not. But just about what the author gave the reasons for the impossibility.
      Brew problems. What's the problem? Weld a small obstacle to open the hatch and do not open it with any effort. About the lower hatch and a grenade. The author is placed in such a situation and offered to use a grenade. Besides, how does the author know that the crew had a grenade? They could easily have seized the grenades before the beginning of this story.
      As for the difficulty of movement / orientation with the commander's / driver's hatch not open. Another nonsense. Even the simplest example in tank biathlon, where there are a lot of obstacles and the need for maneuvering, proves the inconsistency of the author's version. And in a combat situation, the slightest protrusion from the tower and there is no tanker - they will shoot.
      As for the fear of being saved during an explosion. Another nonsense, sending them don't think about it, they don't give a damn.
      About refueling / ammunition and so on. The author, but before blocking the hatches, all this cannot be done? Also, the crew is sent on a raid for hundreds of kilometers?
      About the stupidity of sending the crew into a one-time battle. And that vushniks do not do any stupid things? The prisoners report that they are being sent into battle, and the commanders are leaving for the rear. There is nothing more stupid than this.
      About the grinder with a gas generator. Actually, there are grinders with a gasoline engine. And why shouldn't it be. Rem base completely bezovsego? In addition, she could not be there, but they brought her.
      About how it is possible to land the crew, and he resignedly agreed. T / e stories of prisoners that they have a lot of cases when fighters who did not agree with something were shot in front of the formation - is that about nothing?
      About how they went and about the machine gun in the tank. Does the machine gun have ammo? And if they don’t go, couldn’t they threaten to destroy them with anti-tank weapons?

      Once again, I'm not talking about what it was. And about the author's arguments that this is impossible to do.


      Hello.
      I am Kuznetsov, from whose words the article was written.
      I will respond to your comment:

      I did not state that the hatches could not be welded. This is not easy, but not a problem, after all, techies welded on the bonks at the KDZ.
      As for the grenade, this was an example when you CAN try, at the risk of your life, to unlock the car. When the chances of survival are zero, why not take a chance? The hero's hatch is easier to open than others. Examine the control compartment and the method of attaching the mechanical seat. And if it's a T-72, then the chances are higher, the excess pressure can be reduced by opening the pallet ejection hatch. This is a crazy roulette with the risk of death, but a chance. I don't see others.

      Regarding the "brewing" of hatches, I'll go through it again, briefly:
      1.) Resigned kittens need to be stuffed inside and brewed - it's not so easy, everyone wants to live. But if it works out, the "initiators" will have big problems - the suicide bombers will start SCRYING on the spot and try to slip away somewhere to the rear, looking for help.
      2.) Are they dumb sheep and will go to the front line? Good. Only they won’t reach it - they will crush someone, crush something or fall into a ditch, stall. And ANY minor breakdown or malfunction (inside, outside) will stop them. You just didn't move on the tank. Biathlon leave grandmothers.
      3.) On the front lines they are blind kittens. The crew ALWAYS sticks out in the hatches precisely for situational awareness. Hatches are COVERED only during firing or direct combat and shelling.
      4.) On average, if 10 tanks are damaged, in 7 cases the crew is saved by leaving the car. When "brewing" all 10 crews will die - the stupidest way to kill not cheap crews to train.

      Conclusion: the waste of expensive material base and human resources with, in practice, ZERO (!!!) combat effectiveness.
      It just doesn't make sense in the first place.
      A bunch of "tank + people + coercion" can be used in a different capacity more effectively.

      So it's a bike, it's just "beautiful".
      But, having seen enough of everyone when maintaining a database, I won’t be surprised if there was or still will be an isolated case - d.e.b.ils will never be transferred.
      ...........
      But it can jam the hatch, it’s quite real, it happened with us too.

      All the best.
      Alex.
      1. Vasilyevich Pensioner
        Vasilyevich Pensioner 6 December 2022 13: 32
        -2
        Once again, I'm not talking about what it was. And about the arguments of impossibility. About grandmothers. Another option for a thoughtless answer. I also phoned a friend, he once served as a tanker. My thoughts were fully supported. So you can continue to argue grandmothers.
        1. Aleks tv
          Aleks tv 6 December 2022 13: 58
          0
          Quote: Vasilyevich Pensioner
          Once again, I'm not talking about what it was. And about the arguments of impossibility. About grandmothers. Another option for a thoughtless answer. I also phoned a friend, he once served as a tanker. My thoughts were fully supported. So you can continue to argue grandmothers.

          Once again I repeat - "brewing" initially does not make sense.
          The result will be ZERO combat effectiveness.
          This is well understood by everyone who was somehow involved.

          Well, if biathlon is a "tank axiom" for you ...
          Well, there is no point in talking.

          Once again, all the best.
          1. Vasilyevich Pensioner
            Vasilyevich Pensioner 6 December 2022 14: 04
            -2
            Judging by the fantasies of impossibility - already the conclusion of meaninglessness.
            As for the axioms, my father's friend fought the whole war on a tank, as a commander. And in his stories there was nothing like in your grandmother's arguments.
          2. runway-1
            runway-1 6 December 2022 20: 53
            +2
            I agree with you! For me, this enchanting story was originally "linden" ...
      2. stankow
        stankow 7 December 2022 20: 04
        0
        ~~~~ Overpressure can be reduced by opening the ejection hatch

        And the shutter of the gun can also be opened. But it won't help...
        1. Aleks tv
          Aleks tv 7 December 2022 22: 38
          0
          Quote: stankow
          ~~~~ Overpressure can be reduced by opening the ejection hatch

          And the shutter of the gun can also be opened. But it won't help...

          Yes, you can discover a lot of things there, but the risk, of course, is still huge.
          I suggest everyone to voice their own version, until .... the other was not voiced.
          1. stankow
            stankow 8 December 2022 00: 07
            +1
            In my opinion, a grenade will definitely kill the crew. Fiction is such an "exit" ...
            1. Bad_gr
              Bad_gr 9 December 2022 15: 56
              +1
              Somehow, for one joke (I won’t say that it was smart, but it was) I needed a grenade fuse without the part that serves as the fuse. Why did I myself throw the fuse (without a grenade) into an iron 200 liter barrel, in which there was some water. When the fuse worked, the barrel flew up 3 meters, moreover, and rotated at the same time. At first, this phenomenon was incomprehensible to me: it was assumed that a fountain of water would hit from the barrel, and that was it. In honor of what should she fly? Until I examined the bottom of the barrel: it was curved in a hemisphere. In general, the abandoned fuse went to the bottom, under it was a tin bottom, and water was on top. The explosion arched the bottom than the barrel and pushed off the ground.
              Explosives on the fuse, by volume, with half a little finger.

              I have no doubt that a high-explosive grenade will open the hatch, but the shell shock to the crew (despite headsets, etc.) is 100%. But in the absence of other options, I would go for it.
    4. ZAV69
      ZAV69 7 December 2022 08: 56
      +1
      All this is so. But for some reason there is not a single video with the crew of such a tank. Considering that everyone has a smartphone with a camera, and some also have a gopro, this lack leads to the conclusion that these are all bikes.
      Although in Syria, suicide bombers were put into an infantry fighting vehicle with a charge and closed from the outside (there is a video on the net). But this is an infantry fighting vehicle, not a tank, a much less valuable combat unit.
      1. Vasilyevich Pensioner
        Vasilyevich Pensioner 7 December 2022 09: 01
        0
        But for some reason there is not a single video with the crew of such a tank.
        And in what place of his message did he claim that such a case existed?
  18. Damask
    Damask 6 December 2022 08: 51
    0
    The author don’t talk nonsense, everything can be brewed and what does DZ have to do with it, damn it, the main thing is to open the hatches, damn it’s original
  19. Ghost1
    Ghost1 6 December 2022 08: 51
    +2
    Yes, without confirmation, I don’t really believe in this, it’s like about detachments, such as that they don’t want to fight, but they are forced by nationalists.
    In short, propaganda is needed, but skillful.
  20. voice of reason
    voice of reason 6 December 2022 09: 01
    0
    like this. Lying on the couch is always more visible. What's there? eyewitness accounts? Yes, why are they, we will include everyday logic. And where is the Bulgarian on the front? But how are the hatches and how were they welded? but how did the crew poop, and why didn’t they blow up a grenade from the inside? that's really true: "One can ask so many questions that even a hundred wise men will not answer" (c) V.I. Lenin.
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    2. User_neydobniu
      User_neydobniu 6 December 2022 11: 40
      0
      "One can ask so many questions that even a hundred wise men will not answer" (c) V.I. Lenin.

      I’m already trying to figure out one question under the third comment, well, well, they’re brewing it, but why?
      There are a lot of tanks and armored vehicles in Ukraine and is it being disposed of like that? - So it seems that the SVO is in full swing and without this the equipment should go well for scrap

      Maybe APUs sealed in this way have better motivation and go into berserk mode? - Yes, it seems that even in bikes they say that crews packed in this way prefer surrender instead of fighting

      Ukrainians are hollowed out on their heads and doing fierce game? - Well, if so, why do we have such intense battles and we have been fighting for 9 months, because fighting against clinical idiots is still a trivial task

      Just explain why this practice exists?
      1. voice of reason
        voice of reason 6 December 2022 12: 56
        -1
        tell me, why chain a machine gunner to a machine gun?
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 10 December 2022 22: 33
          0
          Quote: voice of reason
          tell me, why chain a machine gunner to a machine gun?

          then the same as the detachment, but without the detachment, and also the entrance and approaches to the bunker / bunker were planted with surprises ... On the other hand, we mere mortals cannot understand the representatives of the SFG and the SS. Wehrmacht's fines were there...
  21. kor1vet1974
    kor1vet1974 6 December 2022 09: 13
    +3
    So, maybe not the topic .. I am writing you an SMS, from a burning, brewed tank ..
    1. stankow
      stankow 7 December 2022 20: 09
      0
      I wonder if a mobile phone can catch a connection in a tank? After all, the armor is a Faraday cell, such a thick one, it screens. Perhaps the range is greatly reduced?
  22. cpls22
    cpls22 6 December 2022 09: 35
    -2
    It is better to screw up with a toothless, kind tale about a miraculous salvation of enemies who do not want to fight, than to stain yourself with a provocation with the murder of civilians under a false flag.
  23. steeldrone
    steeldrone 6 December 2022 09: 43
    +3
    Well, here is an example of a harmless distortion of facts by correspondents.
    1993 Tajik-Afghan border. Our valiant border guards are detaining a group of "offenders". They resist, and one of them had an RPG with him during a shootout, most likely someone's bullet is ours or something else that causes the RPG grenade to detonate at the moment of aiming, i.e. near the shooter's head.
    A direct participant in the clash from our unit in paint told what happened to this grenade launcher. Well, they would have discussed and would have forgotten ....
    But the next day, "Mayak" - issued a report where, as it turned out - one of the bandits, not wanting to give up, blew himself up on a grenade.
    That's it - everything seems to be correct. There is one killed among the violators, killed by the explosion of his own grenade ... But the essence of the event has changed very seriously.
    Since then, in general, I always look with doubt at "news from the fronts" - any.
  24. sifgame
    sifgame 6 December 2022 09: 47
    +5
    What is the problem with welding the hatch, they will order to weld it, they will weld it, and the hero’s hatch, too, they will find something, not in the desert. But why! What can be achieved with this? The first thing that comes to mind if they did this to you is not to go and smash the enemy, but immediately turn your weapon against those who brewed it on the spot, the second option is to surrender, whether you like it or not, along with the tank. Probably the Ukrainians have surplus tanks so that they can afford to have fun like that. Storytellers.
  25. Foul skeptic
    Foul skeptic 6 December 2022 09: 51
    +3
    And yes, Alexei believes that even if this happens, the RGD-5 grenade from the tank ammunition will very simply solve the problem of the brewed “hero hatch”. Yes, it will hit the membranes and brains, but the hatch will open outside. The process, of course, is so-so, you need to remove the fragmentation "shirt" of the grenade, insert the UZRGM-2 fuse, which has a long delay, fill up the grenade with everything that is at hand and hide in the corners away. And so you can unlock the "hero's hatch", fortunately, it opens outward.

    The authors, debunking one bike, constructed another.
  26. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 6 December 2022 09: 57
    +1
    You know, I don't believe in it myself, but things happen in life that won't even enter a sick head.
  27. Woodman
    Woodman 6 December 2022 10: 08
    -2
    Welded tank hatch: fake, bike or something else?
    Maybe fake, maybe not fake... I don't know, I haven't seen it myself. But the author's arguments ... are rather weak, let's say so.
    1. User_neydobniu
      User_neydobniu 6 December 2022 10: 42
      0
      Maybe fake, maybe not fake... I don't know, I haven't seen it myself. But the author's arguments ... are rather weak, let's say so.

      Well explain to me where the Ukrainians have so many unnecessary tanks, and why do they send them into battle with a crew that will surrender at the first opportunity and is not motivated to fight?

      And do you have something to counter this argument?
      They seem to be planted inside the tank at gunpoint, they do not flutter and regularly drive towards the enemy, only to depict something with the gun barrel there. Perfect crew, I must say.
      1. Woodman
        Woodman 6 December 2022 11: 00
        -1
        Quote from: User_neydobniu
        Well explain to me where the Ukrainians have so many unnecessary tanks,

        How much specifically? What numbers are we talking about and where do you get them from?
        Quote from: User_neydobniu
        sent into battle with a crew that will surrender as soon as possible

        What is the probability that this tank will be able to surrender in battle? How will the tank crew make it clear that they are going to surrender? Yes, and so that "their" did not understand this and did not try to launch a thread into the stern?
        Quote from: User_neydobniu
        And do you have something to counter this argument?

        And what's the point of fluttering at gunpoint? There is at least a chance in combat. I’m not a fan of comparing these two conflicts, but according to the experience of the Second World War, the penalists quite fight for themselves and don’t run into captivity in crowds. After all, for sure, in this way, not the first comers, but "raiders" are sent into battle. And, again, "raiders" are similarly invited not to fight the entire war.
        Quote from: User_neydobniu
        just to show something

        Once again - in a fight with the enemy there is a chance to survive, start the crew "to portray something" earlier and this chance will rush to minus infinity.
        1. User_neydobniu
          User_neydobniu 6 December 2022 11: 15
          -1

          How much specifically? What numbers are we talking about and where do you get them from?

          Well, you know better, here you are proving to me that the stories about welded hatches are not a myth, but for some reason you immediately demand from me the figure of the number of tanks with welded hatches ... Don't you think this is strange?

          What is the probability that this tank will be able to surrender in battle? How will the tank crew make it clear that they are going to surrender?

          Well, let's count the light signals, the banal turn of the turret with the gun back and at low speed to the positions, and yes, the sound signals by hitting the tank's armor ... And again, the question is, if this is not possible, why do they give up in bikes and how?
          And what's the point of fluttering at gunpoint? There is a chance in combat.

          What is the chance if you were brewed in a tank, or do you think they will release you after the battle, why did you brew it then?
          but according to the experience of the Second World War, the penalists quite fight for themselves and do not run into captivity in crowds

          Penalties in the Second World War did not run because detachments were abroad behind them and redemption by blood was guaranteed, and yes, give an example of at least one tank penal company of the Second World War
          Once again - in a fight with the enemy there is a chance to survive, start the crew "depicting something" earlier and this chance will rush to minus infinity

          What is the chance to survive, why fight the enemy in battle when you can hit your own?
          Your arguments look a little too crazy, don't you think?
          1. Woodman
            Woodman 6 December 2022 11: 42
            -2
            Quote from: User_neydobniu
            Well, you know better, you are proving to me here that the tales of welded hatches are not a myth,

            Are you sure you read what I write?
            Quote: Lesovik
            Maybe fake, maybe not fake ... I don’t know, I haven’t seen it myself

            Quote from: User_neydobniu
            but for some reason you immediately demand from me a figure for the number of tanks with welded hatches ... Don't you think this is strange?

            But aren't these your words?
            Quote from: User_neydobniu
            where do the Ukrainians have so many unnecessary tanks,
            Show me the logic of your reasoning, if not difficult.
            Quote from: User_neydobniu
            Let's count the lights

            Is there some kind of generally accepted "light signal" like "Don't shoot, I give up, but I don't hang out the white flag because the hatch is welded up?"
            Quote from: User_neydobniu
            banal turn of the turret with the gun back and at low speed to the positions

            In battle? At low speed? When the enemy is firing at the tank, not suspecting that the tank is going to surrender? And the turn of the tower back, when behind the "good" colleagues, no, no, yes, and they look how the "raider" atones for his "guilt"? Yes, even at low speed.
            Quote from: User_neydobniu
            or do you think they will let you out after the battle,

            Exactly. This is exactly how it should happen. And this is logical. Otherwise, it doesn't make any sense.
            Quote from: User_neydobniu
            because behind them were detachments and blood atonement was guaranteed,

            And how does this differ from the situation under discussion? Is there even the slightest hint that such a tank was left unattended by "friends"? Or that "redemption" was not guaranteed?
            Quote from: User_neydobniu
            why fight the enemy in battle when you can hit your own?

            Really. And "ours" are so stupid that they were not ready for a possible blow from the "penalty boxers", and the "penalty boxers" are so stupid that they cannot assess with whom to fight so that the chance of survival is higher.
            Quote from: User_neydobniu
            Your arguments look a little too crazy, don't you think?

            Haven't you heard this joke about two cowboys? "-Listen Joe, you look like a fool with your cigar! -Okay, I'll look the other way ..."
            1. User_neydobniu
              User_neydobniu 6 December 2022 12: 00
              -1
              Haven't you heard this joke about two cowboys? "-Listen Joe, you look like a fool with your cigar! -Okay, I'll look the other way ..."

              So dear Joe, don’t brush it off, because now for some reason it’s not the Ukrainians who look like idiots, but such miracle individuals who talk about welded hatches)
              Well, what else can be said about those who, in all seriousness, claim that in a tank worth several tens of millions, with an ammunition load of 122 mm shells, the crew will be forcibly imprisoned, the hatches will be welded, and he will fight for the right side. When it can simply mow down half of the enemy defense and slowly roll into the distance wink
              I don’t know, maybe you mow down from mobilization like that, pretending to be blessed here, I don’t think that this will work
              1. Woodman
                Woodman 6 December 2022 12: 04
                -2
                Quote from: User_neydobniu
                pretending to be happy

                Oh, how did you start talking ... So I understand the arguments in defense of the author are over?
                1. User_neydobniu
                  User_neydobniu 6 December 2022 12: 07
                  -1

                  Oh, how did you start talking ... So I understand the arguments in defense of the author are over?

                  Yes, I didn’t see yours in defense of the welded hatches, but what I saw, well, in general, let me give you the phone number of a specialist, it’s true that something needs to be done
                  1. Woodman
                    Woodman 6 December 2022 12: 11
                    -2
                    Quote from: User_neydobniu
                    let me give you the phone number of a specialist, it’s true that something needs to be done

                    If you have a "specialist phone", then you probably already contacted him. And, judging by our dialogue, he did not help you. Either the specialist is bad, or the case is neglected ...
                    1. User_neydobniu
                      User_neydobniu 6 December 2022 12: 14
                      -1
                      If you have a "specialist phone", then you probably already contacted him. And, judging by our dialogue, he did not help you. Either the specialist is bad, or the case is neglected ...

                      He is my good friend, by the way, flat-earthers, non-flyers, lovers of reptilians are his strong point, I think the sect of welded hatches will also be of interest to him. You do not refuse, you understand a sectarian, like a drug addict grief in the family
                      1. Woodman
                        Woodman 6 December 2022 12: 19
                        -2
                        Quote from: User_neydobniu
                        He is my good friend by the way

                        Really friend? Maybe even a doctor? Although one does not interfere with the other ...
                      2. User_neydobniu
                        User_neydobniu 6 December 2022 12: 27
                        0

                        Really friend? Maybe even a doctor? Although one does not interfere with the other ...

                        You see him already as an attending physician, let's give the ladies a phone number, he will help you. You know you need help
                      3. Woodman
                        Woodman 6 December 2022 12: 41
                        -1
                        Quote from: User_neydobniu
                        you see him already as an attending physician, let's give a phone number to ladies

                        So why do I need a phone number from a doctor who couldn't even help you?
                        Quote from: User_neydobniu
                        You know you need help

                        I'm better off with money.
  28. Maks1995
    Maks1995 6 December 2022 10: 22
    +2
    And what did you want?
    Even if the official promises turn out to be lies, then it’s just a PR of the yellow media ...
    Not used to it? "the bacon ran out, the black earth was sold over the hill and taken out, beets, grains, solariums, no vodka, Zelensky ran away," etc.
    If "your" - you can not only lie, but also directly violate the Criminal Code. Hooray sites, for example, freely placed Nazi symbols. The main thing is to present it in a cheer-sense.

    Everyone is already accustomed to impunity and lies.
    And over the hill, for sure, they won’t believe like that ... If the "senile" Biden said that they would attack in February, and the "cool president" of the GDP that there would be no attack - "the fools over the hill invented everything," then who will they believe there later ...?
  29. solar
    solar 6 December 2022 10: 29
    +1
    Why be surprised that people are led to such tales, if the criticality of perception has been lost a long time ago.
    What is the cost of an American destroyer, in which, during the passage of Su, all the electronics on board went out, half of the crew was written off to the shore, and the remaining half, out of fright, laid bricks for the construction of a new microdistrict ...
  30. matsur
    matsur 6 December 2022 11: 11
    +1
    all parties to the conflict. Absolutely everyone is engaged in such propaganda. Did you forget Denisov?
  31. Dmitry Tsarevich
    Dmitry Tsarevich 6 December 2022 11: 24
    0
    The idea of ​​the article is not to open our eyes, as some gullible commentators here think, but to show us that they are fighting and writing about the hostilities, solid fools, scoundrels and cowards. For such analytics, the guys from the necessary departments need to carefully look at the writers, is it not time for them to go to work in Lithuania in Dozhd.
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 6 December 2022 11: 38
      +1
      There is no way to show that the Russian and Ukrainian bourgeois are simply lying to people as always.
  32. vlad2000
    vlad2000 6 December 2022 11: 36
    0
    of course an entertaining article)))) a debunking fake gives birth to a new one))) I’m just wondering how the crew will disassemble a rolled hand grenade to remove a fragmentation insert?))) they will be given a chisel on purpose or a jigsaw in a brewed tower?))) if it’s logical to argue and not to invent stories, then the hatches should be welded in the tank 10 minutes before the attack if the offensive (so that they don’t crap and die of hunger while sitting there) or before retreating if the tank is left as a fire cover. but then you need to remove the tracks from it to didn’t run away))) if it’s a one-time crew before the attack. And apart from the ammunition, they are not supposed to have any tools, including grenades (where they will be interesting to throw them from welded hatches), then what is the term fuse that has a long delay? such a term. in rgd5 there are standard fuses. they all have a burning fuse of 3.2-3.8 seconds. in general, you can laugh at the author just like with those who talk about brewed hatches)))
  33. Igorash
    Igorash 6 December 2022 12: 22
    -2
    A specialist wove grief .. with a grenade from the inside ... what a moron you have to be .. And it’s easy to weld the hatches with simple welding ... and you can get fuel from the same takna ... These are armor plates welded with special electrodes .... And there are no problems here ... But brewing crews ... of course, nonsense ... But brewing abandoned cars if it is impossible to undermine .... this can happen. such a car ...... The Slavs can’t invent anything ...
  34. iouris
    iouris 6 December 2022 12: 30
    +2
    It was enough to write a brief comment: "I do not believe!". No, instead, a whole propaganda work. For whom did you try? However, obviously.
  35. Farewell
    Farewell 6 December 2022 13: 49
    +1
    About the grenade - that's five! It is interesting how it can be filled up from the tank available (the ammunition load should also not detonate at the same time) and at what corners in the same tank you can burrow ...
    However, the argument against the level is quite consistent with the argument for.
  36. Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira
    Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira 6 December 2022 14: 55
    +2
    The clearest example of how easy it is to bring to the point of absurdity and put on a pedestal any incredible nonsense! And yet, no less surprising is the fact that a bunch of adults, attention, some of them who fought in the military, argue with rapture and foam that it was not worth writing and a damned egg .....
    And this is the Military Review?!?!?!? ... No. sad belay
    1. spektr9
      spektr9 6 December 2022 16: 23
      0
      And yet, no less surprising is the fact that a bunch of adults, attention, some of them who fought in the military, argue with rapture and foam that it was not worth writing and a damned egg .....


      And what's wrong, cheers, "patriots" are foaming at the mouth trying to justify the nonsense of propaganda ... Everything is as usual, personally I'm already used to this Lyadsky circus
  37. yuriy55
    yuriy55 6 December 2022 15: 00
    -1
    Best of all, the enemy is humiliated by defeats in real theaters of war.

    Yes, this is understandable! Don't you see how the Russian Armed Forces are humiliated, unable to ensure the safety of civilians in the Russian regions?!
    Here, the questions are already in terms of victory over a half-broken enemy. It is clear when an army with a nuclear triad and modern weapons does this for several months, but when the duration of the confrontation tends to years or they begin to explain it as a war with almost the entire NATO bloc ... And how did you plan to protect the people in the event of TVM ? Or would they also begin to explain that Abramovich did not have time, and Fridman at first did not want to, and then could not?
    Why this hype around oil prices? Who inside the country was prevented by cheap fuel and lubricants?
    Oh, the most terrible and effective weapon is the truth.

    And the most effective is a total total lie, even in small things, even in nuances. Even why a person still serves in state structures who gave the enemy 175 km² of Russian territories without reason or explanation, even at the level of elementary school. Even in how the terrorists were able to destroy Daria Dugina near Moscow, or drive a car stuffed with explosives through a strategic facility, or direct a drone to the strategists' airfield ... We believe that it is in the Murmansk region that terrorists are destroyed, and the most painful points of the Russian economy located in remote villages of Siberia and the Far East ...
    Another question worries more than others: “When will we start, Mr. President?!”
  38. Farewell
    Farewell 6 December 2022 19: 16
    +2
    And do you have something to counter this argument?
    They seem to be planted inside the tank at gunpoint, they do not flutter and regularly drive towards the enemy, only to depict something with the gun barrel there. Perfect crew, I must say.

    Well, for example, such a thing as hostages, not invented today at all. You go in that direction and fight, or we will cut your family out. Or they just put an IED with a receiver from a radio-controlled car. You start shooting in the direction of your positions - we press the button. And more than one way you can think of if you wish. So this is not an argument, but pulling an owl on a globe. As, however, and the entire article.
    PS. I am not at all trying to argue that tanks with clogged crews really took place. I do not know. But the article in terms of the level of delusion is quite consistent with the original message.
  39. bandabas
    bandabas 6 December 2022 19: 38
    +1
    The whole filthy truth is that they are pushing Russians with Russians. And it will backfire for many years. Moreover, the return will come to the West, East and South. Well, the norms will fall under the distribution. To stop eating your rotten herring.
  40. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 6 December 2022 19: 51
    +1
    Honestly, in Ukraine, tank crews multiply by budding in order to weld hatches for them?
  41. uwzek
    uwzek 6 December 2022 20: 39
    +4
    Roman, you shook me from understandable hibernation after a long construction of new Russian tanks, immediately my hand reached out for a glass, and I didn’t sleep long to work. The country of tanks will not be counted ...
    It is very easy to weld any hatch on the tank except for aluminum ones, but the latter are easy to block by welding on a steel grate. The RGD-5 grenade does not have the option of removing some kind of shirt from fragments from it, and tearing firecrackers in a closed volume is far from being a New Year's firecracker, even after smoking it is not quite tobacco. With a grinder, with a sufficient supply of abrasive tools, it is very easy to cut any tank (and even a galactic starship) into microcubes...
    Traces of welding on the hatches of tanks are simply evidence of the previous location of the vehicle on the basis of long-term storage, which were carried out to prevent the theft of quite valuable property. Our tanks are stored with exactly the same tea leaves ...
  42. Firemann
    Firemann 6 December 2022 20: 43
    +1
    Obvious nonsense about hatches, why post it?
  43. Vasek trubachev
    Vasek trubachev 6 December 2022 22: 25
    +1
    And it's best to show a real video, and a dog can lie
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  45. Vasilich2217
    Vasilich2217 7 December 2022 09: 05
    0
    Everything that is going on in Ukraine just a few years ago would have seemed just fantastic nonsense. But it turned out that any fantastic nonsense when it comes to Ukraine can very easily turn out to be the absolute truth.
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  47. Russian Patriot
    Russian Patriot 7 December 2022 09: 29
    0

    Post dated September 20th.
    A version of the fairy tale about certified hatches from the SBU Colonel Khodakovsky.
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  49. VOENOBOZ
    VOENOBOZ 7 December 2022 11: 30
    +3
    The author is not talking nonsense. To block the hatch, it is enough to weld the hinges and they are all steel. Every villager has welding machines and petrol units. The lower hatch was welded from the inside before leaving. A grenade during an internal explosion will tear you from pressure, the space is closed. They sent penalties. Threaten to burn. What are not those arguments?
  50. Alex_mech
    Alex_mech 7 December 2022 13: 24
    -1
    But what is there to talk about tanks, if the cruiser Moscow went under water as a result of a fire. So not only Khodakovsky tales are traffic, but also comrades in more beautiful shoulder straps.