The front in the Bakhmut area may collapse due to the mistakes of American officers

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The front in the Bakhmut area may collapse due to the mistakes of American officers

The situation near Artemovsk (Bakhmut) remains difficult for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and an attempt to improve the situation with the help of mercenaries was also unsuccessful. Moreover, the planning of military operations in this area by the US military led to even greater losses. Now the representatives of the US Army can also be blamed for the collapse of the front in this direction.

At the end of November, the units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, defending Bakhmut and its environs, suffered heavy losses from the assault groups of "musicians" from the PMC Wagner, who continued the offensive. Attempts by units of the 58th motorized infantry, 54th separate mechanized and 71st Jaeger brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to counterattack the positions of the "musicians" led to even greater losses.



As it turned out, the planning of the offensive in this direction was carried out by employees of the American PMC "Mozart" (Mozart Group), deployed near Bakhmut specifically to "oppose the Russian PMC Wagner." Together with the mercenaries, reserves from the Kherson direction were transferred to the area. In general, the Americans planned the operation and the Armed Forces of Ukraine went on the offensive, ending in complete defeat.


According to the "Military Chronicle", when trying to open the firing area of ​​the "musicians" and fighters of the NM of the DPR, 75 were killed, and according to other sources - 95 servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the 13th, 15th and 16th motorized infantry battalions of the 58th brigade, as well as militants from 46th assault battalion "Donbass". The rout did not end there, with the retreat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with the help of drones the locations of the field headquarters and barracks were established, which were hit by artillery and aviation. The total losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine as a result of the operation planned by the Americans ranged from 150 to 250 people, which is quite noticeable against the background of other losses that the Armed Forces of Ukraine have suffered since the beginning of November.

It is reported that US representatives miscalculated the situation near Bakhmut and used the Armed Forces of Ukraine incorrectly, without understanding their combat capabilities. If the pace of the advance is maintained, the front of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in this direction may collapse, this can also be attributed to the Americans.
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  1. +8
    4 December 2022 11: 23
    I think before the New Year Artemovsk will become Russian hi
    1. +11
      4 December 2022 11: 39
      This would be a good New Year's gift.
    2. +4
      4 December 2022 11: 50
      Quote from BattleToads
      I think before the New Year Artemovsk will become Russian

      By the New Year...
      Everything, of course, happens in this life.
      But there is such an exact science as mathematics. And there are such disciplines as statistics and forecasting.
      Initial data - over the past five months, our troops have been advancing in the Bakhmut region at a speed one kilometer per month.
      Now it remains only to take a map and figure something out, make a forecast.
      Or hope for a New Year's miracle.
      1. +8
        4 December 2022 12: 17
        What "rate of advance" is the article talking about? There is a heavy positional war for every trench and forest belt. Yesterday, I read a similar statement about the "mistakes of American officers" .. Every day now we will talk about something distant?
        1. +2
          4 December 2022 14: 02
          Quote: dmi.pris
          What "rate of advance" is the article talking about? There is a heavy positional war for every trench and forest belt. Yesterday, I read a similar statement about the "mistakes of American officers" .. Every day now we will talk about something distant?

          You can talk endlessly about the mistakes of NATO and the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but this is of no use, but there are many problems and shame from our mistakes, but this is an article, but everyone understands and remembers their miscalculations and the abandonment of vast territories.
        2. +4
          4 December 2022 14: 12
          Or maybe this is not a mistake of the American instructor at all? Maybe it is the talent of our commanders that helps to fight?
      2. +5
        4 December 2022 13: 50
        But there is such an exact science as mathematics.
        You are doing arithmetic, counting in this way. In mathematics, there is still such garbage, the exponent is called, why not replace it with a linear function? Reality does not contradict.
        1. +2
          4 December 2022 16: 17
          the form of the approximating function depends on the data. Exhibitor - this means today we have advanced a kilometer, tomorrow by 2, the day after tomorrow by 4 and so on. In 9 months, with exponential progress, it would be possible to go around the Earth already.
          1. 0
            4 December 2022 16: 33
            There are different exponents in mathematics, but here life ...
            1. 0
              4 December 2022 17: 14
              exactly. If the exponent is less than one, everything will be exactly the opposite of what I wrote.
      3. -1
        4 December 2022 13: 51
        Hmm ... Ay ... War is the hardest work ... And lying on the couch ... And with our history of 1941-45 ... It's a shame, my friend, not to believe IN YOUR ARMY ... Or is the Russian Army already a stranger to you ?...
        1. +4
          4 December 2022 14: 18
          The path of my grandfather in December 1943 from Millerovo to Zaporozhye was two months
          1. +2
            4 December 2022 18: 54
            And my grandfather was seriously wounded near Belaya Tserkov. In 2014, my wife and I watched the news and a sense of deja vu - toponyms from my grandfather's stories about the war.
      4. +1
        5 December 2022 00: 49
        Quote from: skeptick2
        Initial data - over the past five months, our troops have been advancing in the Bakhmut region at a speed of one kilometer per month.
        Now it remains only to take a map and figure something out, make a forecast.
        Or hope for a New Year's miracle.

        And does mathematics say nothing about a linear increase in the infantry of the Russian army in order to move at a speed in excess of 1 km per month?
        How many motorized rifle divisions of the Russian Federation are storming the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine?
        How much combat strength does the enemy have and how much does our infantry have?

        Maybe we should start with these things, and not with conspiracy theories about "who agreed with whom" and "who leaked whom." From banal, by military standards, concepts.
    3. 0
      4 December 2022 12: 42
      The people of Kherson silently envy the izyutsy and the people of Kharkiv are nostalgic. Happy New Year, energy people.
    4. -9
      4 December 2022 13: 15
      Quote from BattleToads
      I think before the New Year Artemovsk will become Russian hi

      And everything will collapse! There is a war of attrition going on .. There is no one to pay US money to. And Ze demands and demands everything
      War to the last Ukrainian .. Our machine gunners and snipers are already tired of changing their barrels .. The rod of evidence under NATO pills about
    5. -1
      4 December 2022 14: 40
      South of Bakhmut, there is the village of Experienced, you can check how many battles are already going on there. Yes, and about Bamut himself, I still seem to have read in the summer that almost non-cities have already been taken. Knauf there, glass and stuff. I am not a military expert at all, but it seems to me that the very tactics of taking these cities under control are erroneous. I won’t say for sure what other one should be, but at such a pace and with such losses, we will fight for only one Donbas for a long time. And we do not need large losses, unlike Ukraine, for us it is fraught!
      1. -1
        4 December 2022 14: 56
        Mozart died quite young at 35, and old Wagner was stronger, he reached 69, in those days, a lot). The Yankees put the wrong name on it.
  2. +4
    4 December 2022 11: 25
    Now the representatives of the US Army can also be blamed for the collapse of the front in this direction.
    . Come on, they are doing their job, the disposal of skakuas is in full swing ...
    No one needs them over the hill, let them dig themselves in place ....
    1. +15
      4 December 2022 11: 38
      Exactly, neither we, nor the Americans, nor even Zelensky need the most stubborn nationalists, because they threaten his power, and he would heroically dig them up.
      1. +1
        4 December 2022 12: 03
        So even just fools, they prefer to have a quantity that is not more than permissible .... and such, there, the majority will dig in.
  3. +13
    4 December 2022 11: 27
    Now, dill has a new opportunity to write off their failures on someone.
    Then the "curse the maskals" were to blame for everything, now you can blame the Americans.
    Or maybe you just needed to live in peace and harmony with your neighbors and not turn your country into a Russophobic anti-Russia, under the control of the Americans?
    1. +17
      4 December 2022 11: 51
      Quote: Ulan.1812
      Maybe just needed to live in peace and harmony with neighbors and not turn your country into a Russophobic anti-Russia, under the control of the Americans?

      It was necessary, but alas, the bacillus of nationalism ate the Ukrainian brain, and the idea of ​​independence was buried under the rubble of decommunization, eventually turning into a total dependence on mattresses and Europeans.
      There was the Ukrainian SSR, there was Ukraine, now it's just a training ground for satisfying American Wishlist, inhabited by some sort of demoniac people who, due to their stupidity, cannot understand that they are dying not for Ukraine, but for the interests of mattresses, in whose "track record" Ukraine is everything just one of many episodes of the destruction of countries and peoples in the name of "democracy". What is a “mistake” for mattresses is a catastrophe for Ukraine, moreover, man-made and ardently supported by the Ukrainians themselves.
      1. +3
        4 December 2022 11: 59
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        Quote: Ulan.1812
        Maybe just needed to live in peace and harmony with neighbors and not turn your country into a Russophobic anti-Russia, under the control of the Americans?

        It was necessary, but alas, the bacillus of nationalism ate the Ukrainian brain, and the idea of ​​independence was buried under the rubble of decommunization, eventually turning into a total dependence on mattresses and Europeans.
        There was the Ukrainian SSR, there was Ukraine, now it's just a training ground for satisfying American Wishlist, inhabited by some sort of demoniac people who, due to their stupidity, cannot understand that they are dying not for Ukraine, but for the interests of mattresses, in whose "track record" Ukraine is everything just one of many episodes of the destruction of countries and peoples in the name of "democracy". What is a “mistake” for mattresses is a catastrophe for Ukraine, moreover, man-made and ardently supported by the Ukrainians themselves.

        Everything is just like that. Played on the lowest feelings.
        1. +14
          4 December 2022 12: 16
          Quote: Ulan.1812
          Everything is just like that. Played on the lowest feelings.

          When the cult of money begins to prevail among the people over the cult of the Motherland, it can be said that this people no longer has a future. As soon as the Ukrainian youth in the bulk began to yell "Ukraine for Europe", and not "Ukraine for Ukraine", and rushed to demolish the legitimate government and monuments to those who died in the fight against fascism, in exchange for lace panties, it already became clear then that not there will be no Ukraine and all its independence is a stillborn project. hi
      2. 0
        4 December 2022 16: 48
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        Quote: Ulan.1812
        Maybe just needed to live in peace and harmony with neighbors and not turn your country into a Russophobic anti-Russia, under the control of the Americans?

        It was necessary, but alas, the bacillus of nationalism ate the Ukrainian brain, and the idea of ​​independence was buried under the rubble of decommunization, eventually turning into a total dependence on mattresses and Europeans.
        There was the Ukrainian SSR, there was Ukraine, now it's just a training ground for satisfying American Wishlist, inhabited by some sort of demoniac people who, due to their stupidity, cannot understand that they are dying not for Ukraine, but for the interests of mattresses, in whose "track record" Ukraine is everything just one of many episodes of the destruction of countries and peoples in the name of "democracy". What is a “mistake” for mattresses is a catastrophe for Ukraine, moreover, man-made and ardently supported by the Ukrainians themselves.

        I have two questions for you. The first question, when was Ukraine? The second question, was there no anti-Russian sentiment in the Ukrainian SSR created by the Bolsheviks? It seems to me that most here do not even understand the essence of the issue.
        1. +2
          4 December 2022 18: 21
          Quote: azkolt
          The first question, when was Ukraine?

          From 1991 to the words of Kravchuk that in 5 years Ukraine will become the second France. He initially, with a political eraser, erased the landmark for the development of "Ukraine as Ukraine", but for some time Ukraine was still a state, eating away its legacy. Yushchenko's "in 10 years Ukraine will become a second Poland" has finally consolidated Ukraine's desire for the status of a "Euro-mattress" colony. Between them was also Kuchma with his book - "Ukraine is not Russia", after which an active blackout of joint history began and its replacement with historical meth, with the division of Ukrainian industry into feudal-oligarchic principalities with inter-oligarchic Maidan showdowns that reformatted the slogan "Ukraine united" into "Ukraine go to" clearly split Ukrainian society into east and west.
          Quote: azkolt
          The second question, was there no anti-Russian sentiment in the Ukrainian SSR created by the Bolsheviks?
          In general, no, with the exception of the territories annexed to the USSR following the Great Patriotic War and included in the Ukrainian SSR. Creating the USSR as a whole and the Ukrainian SSR as a subject in its composition, the Bolsheviks could not even imagine that their descendants would destroy the state and arrange 15 state and under states from a single state formation. They did not have such a task that, after 70 years, they would break up the union into national apartments.
          Quote: azkolt
          It seems to me that most here do not even understand the essence of the issue.
          It seems to you hi
          1. 0
            5 December 2022 19: 24
            No, it doesn't seem to me, now after your post, I'm sure of it! But I'll start in order.
            1) The staging itself, "there was the Ukrainian SSR, there was Ukraine, is fundamentally not true, it only shows that a person does not cut the chip from the word at all! I explain! Ukraine separated and immediately began to be built as an anti-Russian project and there never was this" was Ukraine ". She had not yet completely separated, and already the military who took the oath to Ukraine were forced to sign an agreement to fight against Russia if something happened. Just yesterday I watched a lecture on YouTube by Sergei Kurginyan, whom I respect very much, and he told how in 1992, I emphasize in 1992 year, there was an emissary to him (he said from Kuchma, but perhaps he misspoke, from Kravchuk, although he could have been from Kuchma)) who told him literally the following that his boss respects him very much as an expert, but does not understand how he is a person with Muscovites, who, according to him, are descendants of the Turks, can serve as an Armenian surname.Let him go to the service of real Slavs and Russians, that is, Ukrainians.
            I hope you understand that Ukraine was immediately, immediately an anti-Russian project?
            2) About the fact that there were no anti-Russian sentiments in Soviet times. My brother was assigned to Dnepropetrovsk and there he met and married a girl, and she was from Ivanovo. It was in the early 70s, and two years later her father came to visit us and told the following story: he came to his daughter in Dnepropetrovsk and went to the market for potatoes. The seller began to throw him along with the rotten one and answered his indignation, we rob and rob, and you Muscovites only know how to eat!
            Now the story is with me personally. He worked in practice in Fergana and there was a group of soldiers attached to the plant, almost all from Ukraine. I had a good relationship with the sergeant and he told me such a story that they are here because the Russians do not like to work, and they are Ukrainians only about work and think, and in general, the guys from Russia are flimsy, and they are almost all grenadiers. I then listened to him with surprise, because he was a head smaller than me!))))
            Enough or more? I think you can find thousands of such stories! And all this happened during the time of the Bolsheviks, when the RSFSR worked on all the union republics!
            3) Well, this question follows from the previous two! When a person writes that once there was Ukraine, which was, as it were, friendly to Russia, I immediately understand that a person does not understand anything. Doesn't understand or didn't hear it. what politicians from Bismarck to Brzezinski have been talking about for 150 years.
            1. 0
              5 December 2022 20: 59
              Quote: azkolt
              When a person writes that once there was Ukraine, which was, as it were, friendly to Russia, I immediately understand that a person does not understand anything. Doesn't understand or didn't hear it. what politicians from Bismarck to Brzezinski have been talking about for 150 years...../////,,,,,""" The staging itself, "there was the Ukrainian SSR, there was Ukraine, is fundamentally wrong, it only shows that a person the chip does not cut from the word at all! I explain!
              Nikolai, you wrote a lot, but in vain. If you re-read my first comment on the topic under discussion, then there is not a word in it that the Ukrainian SSR or Ukraine is friendly (or not friendly) to us.
              The general meaning of what I wrote was reduced only to the fact that ukraine has lost its subjectivity, which was in the same Ukrainian SSR, or in Ukraine 90s, turning into a polygon. In the original it looked like this
              There was the Ukrainian SSR, there was Ukraine, now it's just a training ground for satisfying American Wishlist
              . I hope the concept of "subjectivity" is clear to you.
              If you, in my first comment, can single out a paragraph (quote) with my statement that Ukraine is friendly to us, then I will agree with your attack in the sense that I am not cutting a chip. If you can’t quote, then it turns out that you don’t cut the chip, from the word at all.
              I know perfectly well what happened there and how, since I myself come from the USSR and will soon be 60 years old and I can offhand sketch a bunch of similar examples for you, right up to how the question of "cowbass" for "broad Ukrainians" outweighed the question at the referendum on the preservation of the USSR preservation of the union, especially in the western regions of Ukraine. I remember very well how fellow officers, who come from Ukraine, quit in batches and left to serve under the trident loudly slamming the doors, and then some of them returned and timidly scratched at the same doors in the hope of getting at least some kind of position in any Tmutarakan. You are not the only enlightened one, and therefore try to build a dialogue without arrogance, since you do not know anything about who your opponent is opposite. In terms of the exchange of historical knowledge, I can tire you out in a historical shootout, because, among other things, I have a diploma from the University with a degree in History.
              PS - I'm waiting for my quote from you with the statement that Ukraine is a friendly state.
              1. 0
                5 December 2022 21: 13
                You just merge, in the words there was Ukraine, it is already implied that once there was allegedly Ukraine. which was not a training ground for forces hostile to us. And that's all! I just meant that such a Ukraine NEVER EXISTED!
                1. 0
                  5 December 2022 22: 01
                  Quote: azkolt
                  You just merge, in the words there was Ukraine, it is already implied that once there was allegedly Ukraine. which was not a training ground for forces hostile to us. And that's all! I just meant that such a Ukraine NEVER EXISTED!

                  You just merge. I gave my quote verbatim,
                  There was the Ukrainian SSR, there was Ukraine, now it's just a training ground for satisfying American Wishlist
                  and meant exactly what he had, but your quote - "Ukraine was in the words already implied"There is no specifics and she compares" highley like "-" it seems to me "," I think so "," one can assume "," I mean "," I believe "" probably ", etc. Meanwhile, history does not tolerate free interpretation and is based on historical facts. In fact, Ukraine was on the territory of the former Ukrainian SSR. Ukraine had a historical chance to become a full-fledged state, but it mediocrely missed this fact, i.e. profukala. Now, online, the agony of this sub-state is taking place, which is the same indisputable historical fact.If you do not agree with this interpretation, then give your answer to the question - "What was in the territory of the former Ukrainian SSR for 30 years after the collapse of the USSR?"
                  Before there was no Azerbaijan and its name first appeared on the map only in 1918. Will you also assert that there is no Azerbaijan? Previously, there was no Kazakhstan, and he, as well as his alphabet, also appeared on the world map thanks to the Bolsheviks, and what, you will say that there is no Kazakhstan?
                  I consider further dialogue to be a waste of time. Let's finish for this.
                  1. -3
                    6 December 2022 18: 45
                    Excuse me, but you don’t need to turn on the fool. And Azerbaijan never existed and Kazakhstan, they didn’t exist HISTORICALLY. There were Armenia, Georgia and all! What appeared and existed on paper in some headquarters or offices does not mean that the state was functioning! And praise the Bolsheviks, for their dashing in the distribution of often Russian lands. After all, it was necessary to pay for "Great Russian chauvinism." Is that how it sounded?
    2. +5
      4 December 2022 12: 42
      Quote: Ulan.1812
      Or maybe you just needed to live in peace and harmony with your neighbors and not turn your country into a Russophobic anti-Russia, under the control of the Americans?

      Unreasonable brothers lay down under our natural enemies - under the Americans and frantically lick their boots in the shit. This evokes squeamish disgust towards such "relatives" and disgust from the unforgivable betrayal that has taken place.
      1. +1
        4 December 2022 12: 48
        Quote: Pantsuy
        Quote: Ulan.1812
        Or maybe you just needed to live in peace and harmony with your neighbors and not turn your country into a Russophobic anti-Russia, under the control of the Americans?

        Unreasonable brothers lay down under our natural enemies - under the Americans and frantically lick their boots in the shit. This evokes squeamish disgust towards such "relatives" and disgust from the unforgivable betrayal that has taken place.

        What is called, they beckoned a donkey with a carrot.
        Even the fox Alice gave a recipe for how to deceive fools, greedy and braggarts.
        Americans skillfully use it.
    3. 0
      4 December 2022 13: 46
      Quote: Ulan.1812
      Then the "curse the maskals" were to blame for everything, now you can blame the Americans.

      So what kind of mongrel will rush to the owner's boot? hi
      1. +1
        4 December 2022 14: 09
        Quote: dedusik
        Quote: Ulan.1812
        Then the "curse the maskals" were to blame for everything, now you can blame the Americans.

        So what kind of mongrel will rush to the owner's boot? hi

        So Zelensky was already yapping at Biden, for which he got hit in the head.
        Remember Vysotsky's song about the scapegoat?
        And recently he growled like a bear, from the bushes he called the wolf svolo whose ...
        If a child is constantly spoiled and allowed to do everything, he will definitely become impudent.
    4. +1
      4 December 2022 13: 47
      What is the failure? There, every meter and trench is fiercely defended.
  4. Hey
    +16
    4 December 2022 11: 35
    The front in the Bakhmut area may collapse

    Or maybe it won't collapse. Tired of these fortune-telling on coffee grounds, and even better, throw berets over the fence, you will know exactly what will happen.
    1. +1
      4 December 2022 11: 47
      Quote: MUD
      The front in the Bakhmut area may collapse

      Or maybe it won't collapse. Tired of these fortune-telling on coffee grounds, and even better, throw berets over the fence, you will know exactly what will happen.

      Cho ... will they find a betrothed? lol
      1. 0
        4 December 2022 12: 22
        Quote: Ulan.1812
        will they find a fiancé?

        Denazified and demilitarized to zero!
    2. -1
      4 December 2022 13: 48
      Quote: MUD
      Or maybe it won't collapse. Tired of these fortune-telling on coffee grounds

      Well, yes, like "if my grandmother yes ..."
  5. +4
    4 December 2022 11: 37
    On behalf of the command of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation PMC "Mozart" for mediocre planning to declare gratitude laughing laughing laughing
  6. +1
    4 December 2022 11: 39
    Fiction. Where did such heartbreaking details come from, were they exchanged for oil?
  7. +1
    4 December 2022 11: 40
    the Americans planned the operation and the Armed Forces of Ukraine went on the offensive, ending in complete defeat ... the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine following the results of the operation planned by the Americans ranged from 150 to 250 people
    And why didn't the "honored general" tell the planners that they were wrong? Didn't you have the courage or you don't know what's happening where? Now there is no one to complain to Zaluzhny, because. the host's side "spilled borscht", but they don't look into the owner's mouth.
  8. 0
    4 December 2022 11: 41
    I will tell you as a musicologist to musicologists - Mozart against Wagner is like a pug against an elephant. For this, Mozart should be renamed Pozart, flogged and sent to his mother, and so that his spirit would not be contrary to it. (intonate yourself, as you like)
    1. -1
      4 December 2022 16: 13
      So they fall short of Mozart. Maximum - Salieri hi
    2. 0
      5 December 2022 12: 10
      One or two mistakes mean nothing, everyone has failures.
      Our command has made and is making hundreds of mistakes.
      The Armed Forces of Ukraine hold their positions in certain areas for months, while ours take them for months, and surrender them in a matter of days.
      So never underestimate the enemy.
      NATOs are not so stupid, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine are not so mediocre.
      One local error does not mean completely all erroneous actions.
      In the end, the result matters.
      And, alas, it is not in our favor.
      So let's look at everything without excessive optimism.
  9. +3
    4 December 2022 11: 45
    And why did the forelocks Artemovsk be renamed Bakhmut, but Artemovskoe was not renamed Bakhmutovskoe?
    1. +8
      4 December 2022 12: 06
      And why in Moscow in the early 90s were the metro stations renamed - "Lenino", "Leninskiye Gory", etc., and left "Ploshchad Ilyicha"? We have a common mentality - start and finish ...
    2. -4
      5 December 2022 02: 07
      And the Leningrad region with the center in St. Petersburg does not bother you? :)
      Artemovskoe was renamed Khromovo.
  10. 0
    4 December 2022 11: 47
    In general, the Americans planned the operation and the Armed Forces of Ukraine went on the offensive, ending in complete defeat.
    No wonder, the US Armed Forces are used to fighting an enemy who, in principle, cannot answer on equal terms.
  11. +11
    4 December 2022 11: 47
    How to collapse, so tell ....
  12. +1
    4 December 2022 11: 48
    Now the representatives of the US Army can also be blamed for the collapse of the front in this direction.

    And who can make a presentation to the Americans, those whom the United States spoon-feeds? Yes, for such states, if communications are turned off for a week and explored, then the Ukrainian Banderstadt will immediately collapse. "even the beast does not bite the hand that feeds" (although "these" are worse than the beast).
  13. +5
    4 December 2022 11: 51
    If... Maybe... With a high probability... Every day for 9 months
    1. +2
      4 December 2022 12: 10
      Yeah, how we laughed at the "highly like" Anglo-Saxons. And it ended up being translated into Russian, and they themselves began to use it as the main argument when creating, as it were, analytical forecasts.
  14. 0
    4 December 2022 11: 54
    the front of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in this direction may collapse, this may also write to account the americans.
    It's like, "give the chicken for the rolling pin"? Come on planes and tanks.... recourse
  15. -3
    4 December 2022 12: 01
    The losses are due to the fact that the American command was unable to ensure clear coordination with the AUG in the Belarusian Sea and the advancing troops were left without air support.
    In other words, it seems that the mattresses, as usual, played a shooter game based on the Pentagon cartoons and were very surprised that they could not shoot the Russians with one rifle for three using self-aiming and invulnerable titanium howitzers
  16. 0
    4 December 2022 12: 08
    While maintaining the pace of advance, the front of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in this direction may collapse, this can also be attributed to the Americans

    Yes, let them write to any account, even the Americans, even the most unclean. The main thing is to collapse ...
  17. 0
    4 December 2022 12: 22
    Also for American money
  18. 0
    4 December 2022 12: 49
    No one seems to know what is going on there. They have been talking about the capture of Bakhmut for a long time, that this is a matter of days, there is no special defense, and most importantly, it is necessary to surround Slavyansk with a running start and that's it, the fairy tale is over - the Nazis are demilitarizing.
    1. +2
      4 December 2022 13: 31
      No one seems to know what is going on there. They talked about the capture of Bakhmut for a long time, that this is a matter of days, there is no special defense

      There is no objective news. The pole of headlines shifts as Pushilin and Marochka Bezsonov make statements, but where Basurin disappeared to. He had already freed Maryinka...half...three quarters, but this week Pushilin applied a new proportion of 60%, and so on for 9 months.
      Enough of such news about Artemovsk when it is difficult to predict. But the fact that there is a plug, the Americans are not to blame. Just bypassing the town in an open field is suicide, and somehow you can move forward and give out such "significant" headlines. The defense of such settlements directly depends on the supply, which we cannot stop with a "cabration", as well as on effective counter-battery combat by aviation.
  19. +5
    4 December 2022 12: 56
    Why make such headlines, there is a months-long forehead beating against the fortifications with a meat grinder and an advance of 100 meters a month, and they also scoff at us - the front can collapse ... yes, reinforcements from Kyiv have already reached Artemovsk on foot and 19 lines of defense will be dug further in 2 months, when ours take 90% of this city ... collapse ... send this scribbler, but you can’t
    1. +5
      4 December 2022 13: 13
      I have been constantly reading about the collapse of the front since the beginning of summer, but so far these forecasts have not come true. And what is surprising, these "experts" of the level of those who flicker every day on our political shows on TV.
      1. +4
        4 December 2022 13: 49
        Yeah, so far the front of the Russian army near Kharkov had just collapsed, but they left Kherson.
        1. 0
          5 December 2022 12: 04
          I don't know if that's true, but here's a photo.
          A group of DRGs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine broke through to the left bank of the Dnieper, where ours retreated after leaving Kherson, and occupied a section of several kilometers there. They hung their flag on a tower crane.
          So you can laugh a lot at them, but, alas, what to do with the facts?
          Some of ours take months.
          Does this mean that the army of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is weak?
          Doubtful, however.
  20. +1
    4 December 2022 13: 09
    Quote from: skeptick2

    By the New Year...
    Everything, of course, happens in this life.
    But there is such an exact science as mathematics. And there are such disciplines as statistics and forecasting.
    Initial data - over the past five months, our troops have been advancing in the Bakhmut region at a speed one kilometer per month.
    Now it remains only to take a map and figure something out, make a forecast.
    Or hope for a New Year's miracle.

    No forecasts are made with such input data. That it is not worth taking the mileage and calculating the advance time based on the average speed over a certain period of time, that's for sure. There are at least a hundred parameters missing.
  21. +3
    4 December 2022 13: 30
    Mozart Group have extensive experience in combat operations with the Papuans and partisans of various stripes. It looks like they haven't changed their tactics.
    1. 0
      4 December 2022 13: 49
      It looks like they haven't changed their tactics.

      We decided that it would work, but the Papuans turned out to be the wrong system ...
  22. 0
    4 December 2022 13: 52
    The author, why are you wondering whether the front will collapse or not. If it collapses, then whose? There is no tactical offensive by the RF Armed Forces, there are battles of local importance.
  23. -1
    4 December 2022 14: 00
    assault groups of "musicians" from PMC Wagner,
    ...
    American PMC "Mozart" (Mozart Group)

    Sur natural
  24. 0
    4 December 2022 16: 14
    That is, if the Armed Forces of Ukraine have problems, then it is solely due to their mistakes?
    And not at all because of the professionalism and combat skill of the Russian guys?
  25. 0
    4 December 2022 16: 17
    The musicians should have a separate unit in their structure - specifically to fight the mercenaries from the Mozart Group. Name - PMC Salieri.
  26. 0
    4 December 2022 17: 23
    For Ukrainians, if they win, then they personally are heroes ... and if they lose, then the Americans are to blame. Everything is within the framework of the worldview.
  27. Alf
    0
    4 December 2022 19: 58
    from PMC Wagner,
    ,
    American PMC "Mozart"
    ...
    I'm freaking out, dear editors ... Some musicians have gathered, this is an orchestra ... laughing
  28. 0
    4 December 2022 23: 28
    I would like to have more details. They say how ours got them there and what they miscalculated specifically.
  29. 0
    5 December 2022 08: 45
    The Americans did not make any mistakes - there is a systematic destruction of the population of Ukraine. We need land without Ukrainians
  30. 0
    5 December 2022 12: 46
    I wonder what about Soledar ?, which is also a key settlement, part of which (like Bakhmut some time ago) we controlled back in August, and now it seems that we have moved quite far from it, judging by the interactive map, although it is also especially no faith.
  31. 0
    5 December 2022 14: 53
    They found someone to trust, they think it’s wrong, they are the children of the Unified State Examination, they count on the fingers and then they’re wrong.

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