German self-propelled howitzers PzH 2000 returned from Lithuania to Ukraine after repair

Armed Forces equipment damaged in the course of hostilities is being restored on Lithuanian territory. And now, two German self-propelled howitzers Panzerhaubitze 2000 (PzH 2000) were returned from Lithuania to Ukraine after repairs.

This was announced by the head of the Lithuanian defense department Arvydas Anusauskas on his page on the social network.

The equipment was repaired on the territory of Lithuania at an enterprise owned by owners from Germany. The Lithuanian Minister of Defense noted that four more such combat vehicles had previously undergone repairs in this Baltic state. In total, the Lithuanian side promised Kyiv to repair at least twelve PzH 2000 self-propelled guns.

In total, six repaired self-propelled howitzers have already been returned to Ukraine.

- an official from Lithuania summed up the intermediate result.

Shortly before this, the country announced a fundraiser for the purchase of marine drones. It was possible to collect 750 thousand dollars, which was enough for the purchase of three such devices.

Both self-propelled howitzers manufactured by Germany, and naval Drones are considered for the Russian military as one of the primary targets to be destroyed. Nikolay Patrushev, Secretary of the Russian Security Council, spoke at the meeting about the fact that weapons supplied to Ukraine from abroad, as well as foreign mercenaries, will be liquidated first of all.

Comments

[ASM]

I wonder how much such repairs cost with moving to / from another state? And what kind of repair is this - a SKD replacement?

[neworange88]

I wonder why these self-propelled guns are not covered by fire when crossing the border?

[Egeny]

why these self-propelled guns are not covered by fire

Decided to take it apart first.

[ASM]

Surely, as usual, they went in combined trains - wagons with civilians, wagons with military personnel in an arbitrary configuration. Lupanesh on this, the howl will be to heaven. Although, to be honest, I would thrash.

[dementor873]

In Serbia, they smashed a whole train with civilian Americans and nothing. Wrong, it happens. And how long ago did trains with military equipment and wagons with passengers begin to go. I did not see such a miracle.

[Vladimir M]

Why write nonsense, not a single civilian in their right mind will climb into the car if there are cars with equipment in the train. You don't have to take them all for idiots. I agree that railway trains with equipment are on parallel tracks with passenger trains. It is necessary to hit the border crossings, but for some reason this is not being done.

[Michael]

Quote: Vladimir M

Why write nonsense, not a single civilian in their right mind will climb into the car if there are cars with equipment in the train. You don't have to take them all for idiots. I agree that railway trains with equipment are on parallel tracks with passenger trains. It is necessary to hit the border crossings, but for some reason this is not being done.

Postal car? Or attach a couple of platforms, and then unhook them. At night, not a single civilian passenger will understand anything - the train stopped for a couple of minutes, and then drove up to the platform.

[Beetle1991]

Postal car? Or attach a couple of platforms, and then unhook them. At night, not a single civilian passenger will understand anything - the train stopped for a couple of minutes, and then drove up to the platform.

What is it for? There they calmly carry a military commissar in whole trains. It makes no sense to hook a couple of disguised wagons to civilian trains at all.
They drive trains back and forth and they are fine. Nobody stops them from doing it.

[EFIM LYUBIN]

Vladimir M, your question is naive! Even American military experts, who have little knowledge of Russian realities, are surprised at this! The answer is from the Russian oligarchy, which prohibits the destruction of its property on the territory of the ukroreich! It was the same during WWII when Anglo-American bombers never bombed industrial facilities that produced weapons for the German Wehrmacht! Hence this verbiage - not a war for the future survival of Russia, but some kind of NWO!

[Veter5757]

do not share sources of information about mixed railway trains? In Ukraine, they somehow don’t know that it’s possible to hook freight cars to the Intercity high-speed train, and this is now one of the mass trains there? Or how do you imagine the Russian Railways Swallow carrying behind a platform with tanks?

[poquello]

Quote from: neworange88

I wonder why these self-propelled guns are not covered by fire when crossing the border?

this is rhetoric, but it would not hurt to visually hit the dill in the transition area, and it’s not at all necessary to guess the presence of howitzers at that moment

[PSih2097]

Quote: poquello

this is rhetoric, but it would not hurt to visually hit the dill in the transition area, and it’s not at all necessary to guess the presence of howitzers at that moment

in general, as a lawyer, according to international law - the United States and its NATO allies are at war with the Russian Federation (so far cold) ... What it will be - hot conventional or third world - nuclear depends at the moment on Putin and Biden, and not from sic with the Nazis and Psheks with the Balts ...

[Beetle1991]

You are a good lawyer/comedian. Legally, Russia is at war with Japan, as there is no peace treaty.
And there is no war with the USA and NATO. No one has declared war on anyone.
On the territory of the Russian Federation, not a single soldier of the NATO countries was caught / captured.
Legally, the US and other NATO countries are not parties to the conflict.

[poquello]

Quote: Beetle1991

On the territory of the Russian Federation, not a single soldier of the NATO countries was caught / captured.

this is a good question

[Beetle1991]

Well, they haven’t shown it yet and haven’t even announced it.
Only propaganda was broadcasting about NATO generals in the cellars of Azov Steel, who were not there.

Well, there they caught a dozen hirelings and that's it. But these are not NATO military personnel.

[poquello]

Quote: Beetle1991

Only propaganda was broadcasting about NATO generals in the cellars of Azov Steel, who were not there.

so maybe that's why they weren't there? )

[PSih2097]

Quote: Beetle1991

On the territory of the Russian Federation, not a single soldier of the NATO countries was caught / captured.

in general, there was a case, they (the Balts) were looking for their drone on our territory (it was covered here in the news), but it was hushed up at the level of the administration of our "darkest" ...

Quote: Beetle1991

And there is no war with the USA and NATO. No one has declared war on anyone.

As I understand it, you are young, the concept of "cold war" is not familiar to you ...

[Beetle1991]

as I understand it, you are young, the concept of "cold war" is not familiar to you ... am

I understand that you do not read Russian well. There, the "lawyer" declares that the Russian Federation is legally at war with the states and NATO.

As I understand it, you are also a "lawyer" and probably also think that the Cold War is a legal state
I can already imagine how it is being formalized: the ambassador has been summoned, we are officially declaring a cold war for you.

[PSih2097]

Quote: Beetle1991

I understand that you do not read Russian well. There, the "lawyer" declares that the Russian Federation is legally at war with the states and NATO.

I don’t know who you are by title, because Mamlya is only on the site, I worked as a lawyer and a lawyer, and I worked fine, no one complained ...
but about the Cold War, YOU are personally wrong.

[Beetle1991]

If you are sober writing this, please accept my condolences. You probably had a difficult childhood, they beat you on the head, or your heredity is like that, but you have trouble with intelligence
Legal state of war occurs when war is officially declared.
For example, France and Britain declared war on Germany on September 3, 1939. From that moment on, the countries were legally at war. Legally, the war ended when Keitel signed the act of unconditional surrender.
Cold War is not a legal term. There is no such legal provision as a Holol war. It is not announced and no surrender is signed at its completion. The cold war is cold because there is no direct war between powers. But on the periphery there is a confrontation.

The Geneva and Vienna conventions are here to help.

How can a lawyer argue that the Cold War can legally be between countries?
This is a "cliché" that is often used by journalists and politicians. It does not have an exact start and end date.
Well, you are a lawyer.
There is not a single document that would regulate the cold war. Well, no at all.

[nordscout]

You ask strange questions, mister "neworange88" ... Also, try to get an intelligible answer regarding the nine-month uninterrupted - regular supply "from behind the hill" of military equipment, ammunition and equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, right to the front line ... in war conditions ... And you the strangeness of holding the so-called NWO, especially at its initial stage, does not occur to me ... Try to disengage and start analyzing the situation in the Ukrainian theater from class positions, as Marxist-Leninist philosophy teaches us. Do you know about this one? If you know, then you will quickly understand the situation and everything will be clear to you and the questions will disappear ... And if you are not familiar with the "class approach" in analyzing the situation, then there will be a lot of questions that you will have to wait for answers "from outside" or from the media, but these can be (and rather will be) very "crafty" answers, devoid of a class approach and aimed not at clarifying the issue, but at creating a kind of "smoke screen" around this issue in order to divert public attention and neutralize interest in this issue .. After all, there are hostilities between capitalist states, where the main issue is put forward - the issue of financial profit for certain groups of the population of these states ... And Russia, at the moment, is a capitalist state with its financial and political "groups associated with international capital. .. Therefore, it would be strange to count on a liberation campaign "a la the Red Army of 1939" ... Therefore, the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces is trying to fight as taught (according to the textbook kam, maps of the USSR during the Second World War), but with a constant "looking back" (and sometimes shouting) at the capitalist present of Russia, and this is quite difficult ... Somehow, mister "neworange88" ....

[azkolt]

If we put aside these from the West to slipped Marxist theories, then everything is correct. As for all these Leninist approaches, US capitalism did not prevent them from gouging seemingly non-socialist Serbia and other countries. For some reason, capitalism does not bother them at all, on the contrary, they benefit from everything. It seems to me, on the contrary, that the question is different, all our leaders and the oligarchy vitally connected with it, just people who grew up in the USSR, when patriotism was thoroughly tarnished! When, during the collapse of the USSR, no one even scratched when money was put in the corners of the head! Yes, yes, colleague, it all started with the USSR, when the communists for 70 years could not feed the people, nor dress them decently! Therefore, Western abundance has become an icon for Soviet society, and just don’t say what was wrong!))) That’s right, today’s young patriots criticize old farts-patriots, just as soon as they think about agreements!

[skeptic]

Quote: azkolt

Yes, yes, colleague, it all started with the USSR, when the communists for 70 years could not feed the people, nor dress them decently!

Oh, these gueshniki ... to sculpt such insanity. Both food and clothing were in the segment accessible to most. There is no difference now, what then, the prices for some things were unattainable. Hanging "pears", but you can not "eat". They just hung noodles on the people about "fabulous capitalism" and screwed up. So leave your "burdocks" for the young "Pinocchio".
And on the topic - there would be a real possibility, for a long time everything was ripped apart. The rest is conspiracy theories.

[azkolt]

My goluba, it looks like you are a member of the state police and you are pushing me fairy tales about Soviet abundance!)))) I lived enough in this abundance and remember well the trains to Moscow from our Tula region to Moscow for sausage, and for clothes too. Because there was NOTHING in the stores to put on the table, the store shelves were filled with Tourist's Breakfast and Cucumaria, juice in three-liter jars. I still remember how they choked in the stores in Tula in 76, when Brezhnev came to present the title of Hero of Tula. I also remember the shelves of department stores, what was hanging out of clothes and lying out of shoes, it was simply impossible to put on or put on shoes. So it's telling tales to today's egeshniks, and not to me! ))) By the way, there is a film on the net from 1985, called Dashing Trouble Beginning, the film clearly began to be filmed in the year 83-84 and not perestroika bullshit, and it clearly shows the shelves of Soviet stores filled with junk and which no one buys. Why is the movie about this? Glory to Soviet cinema, the best in the world!!!!

[skeptic]

Quote: azkolt

I remember well the trains to Moscow from our Tula region to Moscow for sausage, and for clothes too. Because there was NOTHING in the shops

You are refuting yourself. Then remember the humorists of that time, on the topic "There is nothing, but everything is there." The main difference from today is that the stores have everything, only the majority do not have the money for it. And one more thing - before there were fewer arrogant fat muzzles on the Lamborghini, etc. But there was more justice and mutual respect.
I hope you won't argue with this. (please no messages to the NKVD and KGB).
ps In my life I have something and something to compare with, because the first class started with an inkwell, and later I earned money with computer graphics (design). Each time has its own advantages and disadvantages.

[poquello]

Quote: skeptic

Then remember the humorists of that time, on the topic "There is nothing, but everything is there."

censorship of the mind did not need much to sing for money, no need to refer to a clown, what did you wear, what did you wear?

Quote: skeptic

And one more thing - before there were fewer arrogant fat muzzles on the Lamborghini, etc. But there was more justice and mutual respect.
I hope you won't argue with this.

about how, and who drove foreign cars?

[azkolt]

This topic could only be for comedians. By the way, it’s not with them, but the people said that the stores are empty, but there is everything in refrigerators. ))) You really seem to have been born much later, since you have not heard such a word "blat". In the USSR, everything was done by pull, and if you have access to it, then the refrigerator will be full, but if not, then run after work shopping in search of what you threw away. Hence the appearance of a total deficit, because everyone who was sitting on something dreamed of making a deficit out of it, in order to then exchange it for another.
You yourself must understand if an adult. that this does not happen when the stores are empty and there are no refrigerators. I remember my brother studied in Moscow as a part-time student, and when we arrived at one in the morning, we met several people, because it was impossible for one or two to convey. bags were stuffed with DEFICIENCY, sausages, condensed, sausage and other grubs.

[azkolt]

Yes, I forgot to add. Well-fed muzzles were even then, different fartsa, shop workers. blata, of course they didn’t spread their fingers much, but they were and it’s strange that you didn’t notice it. At one time he worked in front of the army with his brother in the brigade and at that time received simply crazy money 450 rubles (1983). There was nothing special to buy, I was waiting for a summons, well, and often went with the guys from the brigade (youth) to a local tavern (fortunately, his deputy director lived in one section in a hostel) and saw enough of this golden youth there. And it was a small district town!

[nordscout]

Mister "azkolt"! Judging by the photograph of Sidor Lyuty "pinned" to your "nickname" it will be difficult for us to polymerize (as a citizen from the "outback" of Russia and a bandit from the Crimean steppes), especially since your stock of knowledge in the field of social sciences and natural (judging by your comment) limited either by the perestroika articles of Mr. Korotich from Ogonyok, or by the USE tests (unified state exam) ... You. really, don't judge! And yet, I will try to answer your comments. Let's go in order. Marxism in Russia was not "slipped off", as you put it, but was the theoretical basis for the birth of social democracy in Russia, which later transformed into the communist movement of the Bolsheviks ... And Leninism is the logical development of Marxism in the conditions of tsarist Russia ... And your attempts " to tie "Lenin's" approaches "to the analysis of the US + NATO aggression against the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (and not Serbia, as you write) speaks of a lack of understanding (or maybe ignorance ????), by you, of the essence of Marxist-Leninist philosophy and class approach to the analysis of what is happening around ... And about the defeated Yugoslavia, just two words, she fought against the whole of NATO, in splendid isolation, abandoned by Yeltsin's Russia to its fate, without modern weapons and ammunition ... Something like that. Yes, capitalism does not interfere with the United States, since there are no worthy opponents in economic and military terms. Today, the only deterrent for the United States is a possible counter-retaliatory nuclear strike by Russia, with all the ensuing consequences for the United States ... And now about "the communists who have not been able to feed and adequately clothe the people for 70 years." You are cunning or "voicing" quotes from the odious Korotich from Ogonyok. I dare to assure you that in the USSR people lived modestly: they did not go hungry and did not wear rags... There were no homeless people, drug addiction, fights at garbage barrels for a piece of bread. Education, medicine was available and free. Theaters and museums were accessible to all strata of society. But there were also disadvantages. And about the criticism by young patriots of the so-called "strappers - patriots" - in general it is difficult for me to "tie" your message to something understandable ... What kind of "agreements" are we talking about? The Abramovichs, Lisins, Mikhelsons and others, whose 903 enterprises are located in Ukraine, and the old-timers - patriots, mostly live in retirement, are probably dreaming of "agreements" ... That's something like that, Sidor Lyuty .... By the way , Sidor? not from Kyiv or Lvov "strum"?

[azkolt]

Thank you! I learned a lot of interesting things!))) Although I am a specialist in psychology, it seems to me that you are seriously ill! Hence these nit-picking about the avatar, where you can’t even understand what is on it. not Sidor the Fierce, but Vladimir Treshchalov, who played him famously. By the way, this is my favorite childhood movie! And now, looking at him with adult eyes, I see how cool Treshchalov really plays, how bravely and confidently he sits in the saddle. What a dashing Cossack he is! By the way, he was not a bandit, the bandits for the population were just the Reds! Which is even reflected in the notes of the former General Danilov, who fought on the side of the Reds, who remained in Aleksandrovsk (Zaporozhye, almost the places where the events of the film took place according to the script) because of his wound). So there he describes how the townspeople, including the white workers of Wrangel, were joyfully greeted after the terror of the Reds. So, I repeat, it was the Reds who were bandits for the people, and not Sidor the Fierce, who himself was a local peasant and would not have robbed his own! Like Nestor Ivanovich Makhno, whom the population loved in contrast to the Reds, and even from the same Whites.
It’s ridiculous to comment on you further, because the usual sovkodrocher diarrhea about Ogonyok, liberals has begun, I’m amazed that Solzhenitsyn has not yet been dragged in.
So my dear, the fact that you, a dude who did not pass the exam, confirms that you don’t even know that NATO in 1999 did not fight against the SFRY, which has been gone for 7 years, but against the FRY (Federal Republic of Yugoslavia), which united Serbia and Montenegro . So sit down 2, like any sovkodrocher you don’t know history!))) By the way, there was capitalism, as capitalism was almost the entire history of the SFRY.
Further, we will convict sovkodrocherov in a lie. There were no homeless people in the USSR, but as a person who served in Siberia there were many scourges, the same homeless, associative elements. There was addiction! I personally encountered her in the army back in 1984, and before that in Fergana in 1982. and before that, my distant relative, a Muscovite, was a drug addict back in the early 70s. So tell these tales to the same egeshniks.
Medicine was affordable and free, only those operations for which money is now being collected were also not done in the USSR. And if now someone can be lucky and he will collect the required amount, then people were doomed! The story of the betrayal of General GRU Polyakov, I hope you heard?)) He betrayed because his native state regretted allocating several thousand dollars for the operation of his daughter, who eventually died.
Theaters and museums, and now I think are available to everyone, only then and now a narrow circle of those who want to go to them! In the USSR, yes, sometimes they were kind of forced, but today my wife’s organization sometimes provides tickets to the theater for free, and whoever wants to goes. She was a theater girl!
And about the most important thing, how did you guess that I'm strumming from Lviv itself? Because the photo is Vladimir Treshchalov?))) I’m just amazed at the sight of many experts here, for some reason they believe that fools and the security officers hired by him are sitting in the SBU, they should only broadcast how bad everything is with us. But my opinion is the opposite, that either the cps or just fools are broadcasting here that everything is fine with us and we need to sit on the priest evenly and do nothing, everything will resolve itself!)))

[nordscout]

Well, Sidor "slipped off" And you are the same specialist in psychology, judging by the presentation of the material, like skis from my slippers ... And you are sitting, you are miserable, somewhere in the region of Kyiv or Lvov ....

[azkolt]

Are you starting to suspect something too?

[solar]

What kind of fire? Missiles are unsuitable for this, and aircraft do not fly there.

[28st region]

Apparently for the reason that the range of the guns is not enough. How they do not cover with fire the equipment that NATO supplies.

[FoBoss_VM]

Because this is a strange military operation. Apparently someone on both sides is interested in a long, sluggish conflict. No one needs either the victory of Ukraine or the victory of Russia. This explains everything. If you block the channels for the supply of Western weapons to Ukraine, then the whole force will capitulate in a maximum of two months. It will be stupid to fight with nothing and nothing. So everything is simple. In order for the fire to burn into it, firewood must be thrown periodically, and here too .. It is a pity that Putin does nothing to end the conflict as quickly as possible with victory, he only talks about it. But words are just words, and deeds are like facts, a stubborn thing

[VSO-396]

Quote from: neworange88

I wonder why these self-propelled guns are not covered by fire when crossing the border?

Could you clarify: what borders, and not covered by what kind of fire?

[WILL]

It gives me a shiver, like an article about German "panzers", apparently genetic memory, Grandfather (God rest his kingdom) under his command burned a lot of them, almost the entire "animal farm" near Kaliningrad. 484 rifle regiment.

[dmi.pris1]

And no matter how much it costs. The main thing is that they will come back and kill. So they were not finished off to a non-repairable state

[iouris]

Quote from A.S.M.

how much does such a repair cost with moving to / from another state?

Do you care? Also, where do you see "states"? There is one superstate created by the USA on the ruins of the USSR, at the expense of the USSR and against the USSR (Russia).

[Petr_Koldunov]

Quote from A.S.M.

I wonder how much such repairs cost with moving to / from another state?

Moreover - in transit (since Lithuania has no border with bloomers). Yes, even through Poland (and the greedy Poles are unlikely to provide transit for free).

[carpenter]

Quote from A.S.M.

I wonder how much such a repair with moving to / from
another state?

The amount is equal to one sea drone.

[28st region]

We crossed at least the Polish-Ukrainian and Polish-Lithuanian borders 2 times. What is the price? Cheaper than the self-propelled gun itself, which the Germans practically gave them. SKD replacement, great approach. Discarded the damaged one and installed the new one. No need to break your head what and how to replace.
In principle, what do you care about prices? The main thing is that they repaired, put new trunks and sent them to the front, where they will bring quite a few troubles to our guys.

[Politician]

I hope that the restored T-34s will return to their rightful places in the near future

[The popuas]

By its own motion For the global community

[nordscout]

I think that the T-90 will already be on the pedestal, and maybe the Armata, by that time it will enter the series ...

[Buyan]

Why are railway and junction stations bombed so little (((everything would be in the dust

[Comrade]

Quote from Buyan

Why are railway and junction stations bombed so little (((

"Good will" is not enough.

[nordscout]

And you, "Buyan", try to guess three times why the railway and junction stations are bombed so little ... Firstly, international business must continue, despite the hostilities. Secondly, no one canceled Russian-Ukrainian economic cooperation on both sides ... Thirdly, what if enterprises near the railway, owned by Russian business or jointly with Ukrainians, suffer during the bombing ... And Ukrstat counted such enterprises, in the "square", as many as 903 pieces ... You can, of course, not believe them, but there is something to think about ...

[Pulkovo1942]

Equipment was repaired on the territory of Lithuania

The leadership and the General Staff allow you to drive equipment calmly for thousands of kilometers back and forth, and then tearful reports about the shelling of Donetsk and the Belgorod region are played on TV. Everything becomes clear.)

[Ulan.1812]

Quote: Pulkovo1942

Equipment was repaired on the territory of Lithuania

The leadership and the General Staff allow you to drive equipment calmly for thousands of kilometers back and forth, and then tearful reports about the shelling of Donetsk and the Belgorod region are played on TV. Everything becomes clear.)

Allow. But someone does not allow the military to stop it. Will we ever know who?

[Dmitry Karabanov]

And now vopors - they weren’t carried on a gun carriage? This means that the entire railway infrastructure of Nezalezhnoy continues to function successfully! Will our "bridges, tunnels, depots" ever be heard in the General Staff?

[Ghost1]

And after all, the railway tracks are known where they are and their number, but the trains drive calmly.

[Nexcom]

Otmopedit or lanceolate (whatever happens) and scrap. Glory to Russian kamikaze drone operators!

[Obstacle]

There is a hitch with mopeds now, partners are not in the spirit ...

[poquello]

Quote: Obstacle

There is a hitch with mopeds now, partners are not in the spirit ...

Are you writing from the moped factory?

[ROSS_51]

That's probably after the Lancets they are successfully repaired. The Lancet does not have enough charge power for the total destruction of either a tank or other seriously armored vehicles. But mopeds are not about that at all.
In fact, an irretrievable loss of equipment is considered to be burned out or detonated BC, nothing has changed since the Second World War.
I recall the memoirs of the commander of the US Rembat during the Second World War, when he described how the Germans stubbornly shot the already lined Shermans until they caught fire.

[Tagan]

Quote: Dmitry Karabanov

And now vopors - they weren’t carried on a gun carriage? This means that the entire railway infrastructure of Nezalezhnoy continues to function successfully! Will our "bridges, tunnels, depots" ever be heard in the General Staff?

Well, why not on the gun carriage? Especially for a few things.
In the photo for the article, for example, a wheeled tractor. And how do you think our equipment is transported to the territory adjacent to the combat zone?

[Alien From]

Guys, I'm sorry, off topic, but now the Dutch are playing football against mattresses. For the first time I will root for the florists.

[Clear]

Quote: Alien From

For the first time I will root for the florists.

Ah, who are they?

[Simple]

Quote: Clear

Ah, who are they?

Ask (preferably in photographs) the phrase "Dutch Flower Park" into the search engine.
Beyond the territory of that park (toward the sea) are the famous tulip fields.

Or here: https://planetofhotels.com/guide/en/niderlandy/amsterdam/park-kyokenhof

The park is visited mainly in the spring.

[Clear]

Quote: Simple

Quote: Clear

Ah, who are they?

Ask (preferably in photographs) the phrase "Dutch Flower Park" into the search engine.
Beyond the territory of that park (toward the sea) are the famous tulip fields.

Or here: https://planetofhotels.com/guide/en/niderlandy/amsterdam/park-kyokenhof

The park is visited mainly in the spring.

Thank you!

[Alien From]

And these are the Dutch, in the past the Dutch. So it goes....)

[poquello]

Quote: Alien From

Guys, I'm sorry, off topic, but now the Dutch are playing football against mattresses. For the first time I will root for the florists.

this is wrong, they both need to lose

[Andrey Moskvin]

this is wrong, they both need to lose

Both are worse. I.V. Stalin.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Alien From

Guys, I'm sorry, off topic, but now the Dutch are playing football against mattresses. For the first time I will root for the florists.

I congratulate you - "Flowermen" at the end of the first half lead 2:0 - the second goal in an added minute.
A trifle - but nice ...

[Mavrikiy]

German self-propelled howitzers PzH 2000 returned from Lithuania to Ukraine after repair

Have the tracks been painted?

The fact that the weapons supplied to Ukraine from abroad, as well as foreign mercenaries will be eliminated first, Secretary of the Russian Security Council Nikolai Patrushev said at the meeting.

Reminds me of bullshit. There is a queue in front of the gates, and Peter pushes the queue aside with a pen and: “Go ahead, let them through, I respect these more” .... Of course, I am for it, but in reality, there is no such operational information about who opposes where and in what%% respects. Howitzers definitely work as part of composite strike groups. There are skirmishers from less valuable systems, maybe with a lower knowledge base .... "First of all" will become a mistake and a setup. A drum phrase should not be mistaken for a command, no matter what floor it sounds from.

[VladimirNET]

Quote from: neworange88

I wonder why these self-propelled guns are not covered by fire when crossing the border?

For the same reasons as before - too far (more than 300 km):
1) planes cannot fly there because of air defense.
2) caliber / iskander - will not hit a moving target, and expensive.

[cmax]

Quote: VladimirNET

yes and expensive.

Sometimes it seems that everything is dear to us, except for the lives of our guys.

[1977]

for the Russian military one of the primary targets to be destroyed. 

Oh oh oh! I'm afraid, I'm afraid. Yes, it's all lies! The Russian people, with their right hand, with a toast, will dismiss (which, by the way, other countries will not understand)

[Pavel73]

I want the trunks to break. And the sooner the better.

[cat hippopotamus]

As I understand it, intelligence is working, and what prevented them from being destroyed on the way.

[speed4fun]

If it is known that they penetrated into Ukraine, then why are they not immediately destroyed? Intelligence does not work on the main borders of Ukraine?

[Altmann]

Interestingly, the howitzer did not show satisfactory results in combat use. Russian weapons in this caliber demonstrated greater barrel agility, greater cross-country ability and, finally, accuracy of fire. Russian weapons win in this category. I also rely on Russian reports that are available to the public. This is a battle of equipment and soldiers. Russians show extraordinary stamina and courage.

[VladimirNET]

Quote: cmax

Sometimes it seems that everything is dear to us, except for the lives of our guys.

Due to the initial mistakes of the SVO - alas, many died in vain.
But judging by the ratio of dead / wounded:
we have 1:8 or 1:9 (i.e. 10-11%), while Ukraine has 1:2 (i.e. 50%).

Learning to fight... As for the delivery of PzH 2000 self-propelled guns - in Ukraine, too, not quite fools deliver them: they probably learned (at night, etc.).

[VladimirNET]

Quote: Altmann

Interestingly, the howitzer did not show satisfactory results in combat use. Russian weapons in this caliber demonstrated greater barrel agility, greater cross-country ability and, finally, accuracy of fire.

No need - hatred: the US satellite transmits coordinates to her and she hits automatically at these coordinates. If this self-propelled guns were garbage, our lined ones would not have studied it:
https://yakutsk.ru/news/armiya-i-oruzhie/id10172-bild-rossijskie-voennye-zaxvatili-odnu-iz-samyx-vysokotexnologichnyx-gaubic-nato/

Before SVO: ACS PzH 2000 were considered the best in the world:
https://alternathistory.com/pzh-2000-na-ukraine-opyt-primeneniya/

[Codett]

Yes, apparently our intelligence, as usual, was deaf and blind, in general, our country seems to have problems with intelligence

[azkolt]

Quote from nordscout

Well, Sidor "slipped off" And you are the same specialist in psychology, judging by the presentation of the material, like skis from my slippers ... And you are sitting, you are miserable, somewhere in the region of Kyiv or Lvov ....

I'm telling you that you have serious problems not only with the psyche, but also with the head! Although the drain is counted!)))