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Russians and ... third countries will be to blame for World War III

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Russians and ... third countries will be to blame for World War III

Somehow it turns out strange. You start writing about something important, but not so much that the material grows into a whole series of articles, and suddenly the topic itself begins to push you to continue. Most recently, I wrote about possible options for a winter campaign in Ukraine, about the possibilities of the West to increase or at least maintain the number of deliveries of military equipment and weapons.


Today, a completely different topic suddenly appeared, directly related to supplies to Ukraine, but visually standing aside, as it were. This topic is not new, but this does not lose its relevance. Will there be a global war between the West and Russia?

That is, the question of a third world war remains open. True, in the Western media this is called a slightly different word - escalation. But this is understandable. The Western man is afraid of war. How we fear her. Europe has too often been the scene of world wars.

If we talk about the third world war as a very real, and at this stage - the most likely continuation of the conflict on the territory of Ukraine, the reaction of the population can be quite radical, dangerous for the government. Today, we see very well that the West, in particular the United States, is blocking all other possibilities for ending the war.

One slogan for both sides


If you carefully read the materials in the media that express the official point of view, a rather interesting picture emerges. The Russian media continue to talk about the same tasks that they wrote about at the beginning of the NWO. Yes, tactical tasks are changing, the situation at the front is changing, but the strategic line is not changing.

Western media are doing about the same thing. They convince not only Ukrainians, but also citizens of Western countries that Russia is about to fall apart, that the soldiers will revolt tomorrow or the day after tomorrow, that the Russians have no weapons and ammunition left. I don’t want to list all this arsenal of “brain powder”. You see everything yourself.

But the main thing is that both sides confidently speak and write about only one thing. "We will win!". Other options are simply not considered. I have written many times about my position on this issue. I really believe that we simply have no other option.

There are quite a lot of people with the same position on the other side. Simply because we understand that today the war is not for territories, not for natural resources, not even for people. Today, the whole system of international relations, which dominated the world for three decades, is being demolished. Systems of domination of one country.

The result of such a confrontation is quite predictable. One of the sides should just disappear. Either Russia as an independent country, and this is exactly how radically it is planned, or the United States as a world master, dictating conditions to the whole world.

And for Russia, I used the "easy" option for ending the war. In the Western media, we have already been divided into some kind of stumps. Instead of Russia, several small states are published on Western maps at once, which will be an appendage of the West. Such a peculiar continuation of Alaska to the Ural Mountains.

The statements of the American President and his European colleagues are very indicative in this regard. Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and other officials from the Russian government have said more than a dozen times that we do not need negotiations, but we are ready to discuss the Ukrainian issue at any level.

The West, on the other hand, ignores these statements point-blank and, with the tenacity of a rhinoceros, tells the world what conditions Moscow must fulfill in order for the West to agree to negotiations. Paradox? No, quite predictable actions. The townsfolk must be sure that Russia is on the verge of defeat, and they can dictate their terms to it.

What condition does the global West set? Very simple, but impossible in principle. Russia must withdraw its troops from the territory of Ukraine. From all over the territory that was once called Ukraine! Including Crimea, Donbass, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions. That is, those territories that, according to the Constitution of Russia, are part of our state.

Will we do this for the sake of ending the war? Will not go. This option is possible only in one case - in the case of the complete defeat of our army and the signing of capitulation by Moscow. Is such an option possible? Let me remind you the words of the President of Russia about a world without Russia...

The West offers no other options for starting negotiations. It does not offer precisely because such options will entail the demolition of precisely the system of international relations that still exists. That is why I argue that a global war is at the moment the only realistically possible scenario.

For the world war, but without the participation of the leading countries of the West


Again, I repeatedly wrote that neither Europe nor the United States are ready and do not want to participate in another massacre. They are quite satisfied with the "meat grinder" in Eastern Europe. Let the Slavs destroy each other. I mean not only Russia and Ukraine. There are enough Slavic peoples in Eastern Europe.

Yes, and there are enough former Soviets from the "socialist camp". It is no secret that soldiers of the regular army of Poland, Romania and some of our other former "friends" are fighting quite legally in Ukraine today. Yes, as part of a PMC, but read the reports about the funeral of such fighters. Very interesting biographies...

If you look at the "visible part of the iceberg", then the task of unleashing a global war without the participation of the main players is impossible. It looks ridiculous, for example, an attack on Russia by some Baltic microcountry or even Poland. Without the help of the entire NATO, this is a gamble. And help means the entry into the war of all the main players.

But, as always happens, the underwater part of this very iceberg looks much more interesting. Let's look at what Zelensky and his faithful henchman Kuleba have been talking about for quite a long time at all meetings and summits of NATO and other organizations where they are invited? The main theme of the speeches is quite simple - "Give ...".

And give not just weapons and ammunition, but the most modern and advanced weapons. Kyiv is no longer interested in Soviet weapons. Firstly, modern designs are more efficient. Secondly, there are almost no ammunition left for such weapons in Europe and the United States today, and what is located somewhere else, for example in Africa, is in such a state that it is simply not safe to use them.

The change in the quality of the personnel of the Ukrainian Armed Forces also plays its role. Terodefense brigades, those same “pensioner-disabled” units that theoretically could use Soviet weapons, and with which they simply plug holes at the front, are practically not trained. And it is simply impossible to keep the knowledge gained while still in the service in the Soviet army without re-training.

The personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, who are trained in the West, are already trained on Western, NATO weapons. Just like numerous PMCs. Kyiv pays special attention to missiles with an increased firing range. And above all, for those systems that are already in service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Quite a reasonable approach: multiple launch rocket systems, such as M270 MRLS (MARS II) and M142 HIMARS, have long been in the Ukrainian Armed Forces. There are installations, there are trained crews. The presence of long-range missiles will make it possible to shoot through the entire strategic rear of the Russian army.

So, Ukraine is interested in long-range missiles. What exactly can the West offer? At least three missiles. MGM-140 AATACMS Block 1, capable of hitting targets at ranges up to 165 kilometers, MGM-164B ATACMS Block 2A, flying at 220 kilometers, and MGM-168A ATACMS Block 1A with a range of already 300 kilometers.

And again the question arises of how it can be done so that both missiles are delivered and the danger of retaliatory actions from Russia is avoided. And this is where the dog is buried. The West is considering the same supply option that went through with other weapons, that is, the use of third countries!

It is known that a fairly large number of countries have such missiles. For example, Romania and Turkey have such missiles. Why not privately supply rockets to Kyiv for a good price? Obligation not to transfer weapons to third countries in the contract? So it is quite possible to remove this item in the working order. Especially when rocket manufacturers ask for a favor...

And then, who said that countries can only be "third"? Why not the "fourth", "fifth", "sixth" ... Why, for example, Moldova cannot transfer such missiles to the Armed Forces of Ukraine? Take it from the Romanians and transfer it to Ukraine... Again, if the producing country does not mind.

So what if the Russians ask about such supplies and perhaps strike at the suppliers? The US and other countries have nothing to do with it. Third countries... And it turns out that NATO has nothing to do with a possible war. Only Russia and these "third countries" are to blame for everything...

The Russians will never carry out their threats


Alas, arms deliveries will continue. Firstly, Ukraine badly needs not only long-range missiles, but also air defense systems, tanks, cannon artillery. Today there is not a single point on which Kyiv could say that there are no problems with these deliveries.

The fact that Russia can respond and strike at arms suppliers is not even discussed in the Western press. The West is sure that all Russian threats are a bluff. Alas, such an opinion was formed not due to Western propaganda, but because of the actions of our leadership. We threatened too much, and too often it ended in nothing.

Any of our ultimatums always have several solutions. Starting from threats of the use of military force and ending with gas supplies to the EU. I'm wondering why it turns out that any problem with the West, be it economics, diplomacy, defense or anything else, always comes to a boiling point? Why is the West sure that we are bluffing again?

I don't know if the West will go ahead with the plan to supply weapons through third countries. The issue is currently being discussed. As far as I know, traditionally, such supplies are supported by those countries whose lives are directly dependent on Western investment. The same Baltic states have repeatedly spoken out in favor of such deliveries.

But most of the countries of the alliance are silent so far. They are silent simply because Washington is silent. It seems to me that the US decision will very much depend on how the situation at the front develops. At least the Americans have already begun to suspect something about the brave reports about the victories of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from Kyiv ...

So, in order to change the attitude of the West towards ourselves, we need to win. We need to show our strength and power. Otherwise, all the talk about red lines is just an empty phrase...
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  1. Scientist
    Scientist 7 December 2022 05: 39
    +4
    To conclude the last paragraph, it is not necessary to write so much. It is obvious. True, here the personal interests of those who have money arise.
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 7 December 2022 05: 53
      +3
      So, in order to change the attitude of the West towards ourselves, we need to win. We need to show our strength and power. Otherwise, all the talk about red lines is just empty sound...
      I would say an empty bunch. the mood inside the country is also swaying from the situation on the fronts.
      1. Civil
        Civil 7 December 2022 08: 42
        +4
        The article is just one long slogan.
        1. skeptick2
          skeptick2 7 December 2022 10: 36
          +1
          Quote: Civil
          The article is just one long slogan.

          Right. As always, nothing.
          As for the authorship, the article can not even be scrolled, the author is guessed immediately by the content. More precisely, by its complete absence.
        2. dorz
          dorz 7 December 2022 10: 39
          0
          Yesterday: Russia is ready to return to the discussion security guarantees if the West is ready, the deputy head of the Russian Foreign Ministry.

          Everything you need to know about denazification. I think there is an understanding that if there is no country, then there is no one to pay reparations
          1 trillion dollars. Winners are not judged.
        3. dmi.pris1
          dmi.pris1 7 December 2022 11: 44
          +3
          There is a BUT! Staver finally admitted that our leadership was wrong, chewing snot .. And yes. The propagandist remained a propagandist. No analysis, no options .. Some slogans. Like a regular article in the Pravda newspaper on the front page
        4. sadam2
          sadam2 7 December 2022 12: 28
          +1
          Ohhh. I suspect that Comrade Staver is a typical troll.
          For a long time they will hiccup about Stalingrad Kherson. This trash is about tank hatches ... This week, his article about the end of the war at 6 in the morning will not even last a year. Today, his victory is postponed, ....
          dear author, this is a little annoying. there should be some kind of sequence of accumulated thoughts. How can you be taken seriously?
  2. venaya
    venaya 7 December 2022 05: 39
    0
    After all, it’s really necessary to win only where to find such geniuses who are able to carry out this with the weapons available and the strength of the limited contingent of troops involved in the operation.
  3. Nikolay Malyugin
    Nikolay Malyugin 7 December 2022 06: 19
    +5
    The main thing is not to feel defeated. It is difficult to say how we can win. One thing is clear, if these long-range missiles do not reach Ukraine, then half the battle will be. done. Many believe that Stalin's greatness lay in the Second World War. This is right and wrong. The biggest work was done before the war. Namely, industrialization. During the war, there was someone to demand weapons from. If there is a global conflict (God forbid), then there will be no one to blame. In moments of great trouble, an unprecedented enlightenment occurs in the minds. And everyone will blame their leaders. Having such large diplomatic corps failed to stop this danger.
  4. parusnik
    parusnik 7 December 2022 06: 28
    +8
    Will there be a global war between the West and Russia?
    Let's translate into Russian, will there be a war between Western capitalists and Russian ones, what kind? For the surrender of Kherson, Western capitalists unblocked the arrested accounts for 8 lard, the Russian capitalist Abramovich.
    1. Doccor18
      Doccor18 7 December 2022 07: 14
      +5
      Quote: parusnik
      Let's translate into Russian...

      Let's
      That is, the question of a third world war remains open.

      But what's the question, if a lot of very "respected" around the world have made good money lately. What's the point of killing the "chicken that lays eggs with diamonds"?
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 7 December 2022 17: 14
        +4
        What's the point of killing the "chicken that lays eggs with diamonds"?
        That and that
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 7 December 2022 06: 36
    +2
    Russia is about to fall apart, that the soldiers will revolt tomorrow or the day after tomorrow, that the Russians have no weapons and ammunition left
    Yesterday I watched the statements of one English "analyst" in age. This is something... According to him, with the onset of winter in Ukraine (probably not in Russia), the Russian army will have big problems. With frosts of -20, it will be very difficult for Russians to fight, because. it is difficult to endure such frosts (probably Ukrainians were born beyond the Arctic Circle). We (the West) have provided the Armed Forces of Ukraine with winter uniforms, but in the Russian army there are big problems with this ... and so on and so forth. And all this in all seriousness under the affirmative nodding of the head leading and looking at the ears. Therefore, there is nothing to be surprised, because. there are real "experts" of Russians.
    The West is sure that all Russian threats are a bluff.
    The author is not far from the truth. If there were at least a couple of tough and previously promised answers, then the West would not have such an idea. In the meantime, we are satisfied with what we are doing today.
    1. dandy
      dandy 7 December 2022 07: 48
      +5
      About the answers. I can’t say for sure whose expression this is, but it sounds like this, “Whoever speaks does not do it.” Who does, he does not say. ,, Something like this.
    2. Negro
      Negro 7 December 2022 09: 19
      0
      Quote: rotmistr60
      all this in all seriousness under the affirmative nod of the head

      Everything is stated correctly. The supply of l / s has never been a strong point of the Russian / Soviet army. Another thing is that in itself this does not guarantee anything to the enemy.
      Quote: rotmistr60
      If there were at least a couple of tough and previously promised answers, then the West would not have such an idea.

      Are you also asking for a preemptive strike?
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 7 December 2022 09: 25
        +1
        Negro
        Are you also asking for a preemptive strike?
        What are you talking about? Might be better to read the comment.
        couple hard and previously promised answers

        Regarding the "correctness" of the words of the British "analyst" - I regret that you consider them correct.
        1. Negro
          Negro 7 December 2022 09: 38
          +2
          Quote: rotmistr60
          what do you think they are right

          I'm always for the truth, you know. Anyone who has dealt with the Russian army knows that the equipment and uniforms are so-so. I won’t say anything about the APU, I don’t know.
          Quote: rotmistr60
          Might be better to read the comment.

          If you are talking about waving cannonballs, then you are still alive only because everyone considers it a bluff.
          1. rotmistr60
            rotmistr60 7 December 2022 09: 45
            -1
            who dealt with the Russian army, is aware that with equipment and uniforms there is so-so.
            Apparently you had nothing to do with the army.
            And again about some "nuclear batons".
            1. Negro
              Negro 7 December 2022 09: 46
              0
              Quote: rotmistr60
              Apparently you had nothing to do with the army

              )))
              Of course.
  6. kor1vet1974
    kor1vet1974 7 December 2022 08: 07
    +2
    in order to change the attitude of the West towards ourselves, we need to win.
    Here you say Victory, lan, don't say, think. What will she be like? Ukraine was deprived of sovereignty, perhaps someone was convicted and even given a long time and happiness came. Sanctions were lifted from Russia, Western investments again flowed in a stormy stream, gas and oil began to be bought at prices offered by Russia, another American president abandoned world hegemony . And at that time in Russia, housing and communal services tariffs began to decline sharply, the retirement age was returned to its previous state, gasoline prices fell, and with them, food prices, wages did not increase, however, in connection with these events. Moskvich" began to be produced from Russian components, and not from Chinese ones. So I see her like this, not possessing an analytical mind, and you can spread your analytical mind, what will it be like? BUT?
    1. Vladimir80
      Vladimir80 7 December 2022 12: 30
      -2
      ... interestingly, in your image of the future, there are "faces dancing on the bones from the central channels", "liars about victories in the news", "Russians going to Turkey in an all-inclusive stream", "children with smartphones buried in the video of another glamorous blogger?
    2. sadam2
      sadam2 7 December 2022 12: 43
      -1
      According to my feelings, the only victory that the Kremlin is striving for is the re-election of Solntseliky in 15 months. Everything else can be explained by the advance of NATO to the east ...
  7. Alex66
    Alex66 7 December 2022 08: 34
    0
    Why is the West sure that we are bluffing again?
    Alas, such an opinion was formed not due to Western propaganda, but because of the actions of our leadership.
    So all the questions to our leadership, it started it, it planned it, we can only hope for the HPP.
  8. User_neydobniu
    User_neydobniu 7 December 2022 08: 35
    +4
    Will we do this for the sake of ending the war? Will not go

    Alexander Staver

    Well, I quickly spat, your analytics about Kherson was enough for me, when you wrote 9 hours before the surrender that we would not leave. So you now have to croak further???
  9. Maks1995
    Maks1995 7 December 2022 09: 54
    +4
    A typical mini-imperialist war is described.
    Ka 1st World War, only mini-mini. It’s not like a war, so we are NATO - oil (gas, gold, metal, etc.), they drive it into a solarium and to Ukraine, for tanks and tractors ....

    Well, the elite is legally protected from conscription, but ordinary ones .... you understand ...
  10. Trapp1st
    Trapp1st 7 December 2022 10: 36
    +3
    Let me remind you the words of the President of Russia
    The author, we can also remember many words of the President of Russia, but why repeat someone's chatter, we and you are the author, and the whole world knows what his words are really worth?
    We threatened too much, and too often it ended in nothing.
  11. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 7 December 2022 12: 41
    -1
    What condition does the global West set? Very simple, but impossible in principle. Russia must withdraw its troops from the territory of Ukraine. From all over the territory that was once called Ukraine! Including Crimea, Donbass, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions.

    There will be no peace even after accepting this condition if Russia is defeated on the battlefield. There will only be new and increasingly unfulfillable conditions - for example, disarmament, and above all nuclear disarmament with on-site inspections, and then the fate of Iraq and Libya.
    But Russia should do the same if it wins on the battlefield. Disarmament of Ukraine, inspections and everything in order.
    The West is considering the same supply option that went through with other weapons, that is, the use of third countries!

    And why Russia does not use this option against the West. At one time, the USSR did this in Korea and Vietnam. Is it possible to find someone who wants to fight the US and NATO and pump him up with weapons? For example, Serbia or some states of Africa and Latin America or, why not, an Islamic state. Why is it worse than the Ukrainian state?
    1. Akuzenka
      Akuzenka 8 December 2022 10: 05
      +2
      And why Russia does not use this option against the West. At one time, the USSR did this in Korea and Vietnam.
      The officials of the USSR did not have personal foreign accounts and their children were not in education in the West.
      1. Eule
        Eule 15 December 2022 21: 02
        +1
        Quote: AKuzenka
        USSR officials did not have personal foreign accounts and their children

        In the USSR, a person with relatives abroad was simply deprived of the opportunity to take any leadership position.
        1. Akuzenka
          Akuzenka 16 December 2022 09: 13
          0
          In the USSR, a person with relatives abroad was simply deprived of the opportunity to take any leadership position.
          As current life shows, it was right!
  12. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 7 December 2022 12: 46
    0
    Who cares who's to blame?
  13. iouris
    iouris 7 December 2022 22: 36
    +5
    The USSR lost World War III and the population of the USSR paid dearly for it.
    1. Eule
      Eule 15 December 2022 21: 03
      0
      Quote: iouris
      The USSR lost World War III

      In fact, yes, "perestroika" to reduce the population and industry is comparable to the Second World War, there is nowhere to go.
  14. rocket757
    rocket757 8 December 2022 07: 23
    0
    The Russian media continue to talk about the same tasks that they wrote about at the beginning of the NWO. Yes, tactical tasks are changing, the situation at the front is changing, but the strategic line is not changing.
    And what does the one who is the biggest and seems to see everything, knows everything, tell us ???
  15. Akuzenka
    Akuzenka 8 December 2022 10: 03
    +1
    Let me remind you the words of the President of Russia about a world without Russia...
    He talked and promised a lot. All this remained promises ....... unfortunately. And will remain. How disgusting. For from what he promised, nothing was completely fulfilled or simply was not fulfilled.
  16. wandlitz
    wandlitz 8 December 2022 22: 45
    0
    The Russians will never carry out their threats
    Alas... Recently, we have not often put our threats into practice...
  17. acetophenone
    acetophenone 12 December 2022 17: 55
    0
    So, in order to change the attitude of the West towards ourselves, we need to win. We need to show our strength and power. Otherwise, all the talk about red lines is just an empty phrase...
    They are not "otherwise - an empty phrase." They are just empty words. So that the "electorate" does not grumble.
    “Panikovsky realized long ago that there was no gold in Koreiko’s weights. And for the last 40 minutes he sawed only for show, realizing that at the end of the process he would most likely be beaten.
    That's about how Panikovsky saws, and the Kremlin's "special operation" is going on.
    It seems that everyone has already understood that NATO / USA will not be allowed to defeat Russia in any case. And if the pendulum of war swings in the wrong direction, it will be pushed in the right direction. By any means. ANYONE.