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Fighter aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces and air defense systems shot down MiG-29 and Su-25 of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine - Ministry of Defense

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Fighter aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces and air defense systems shot down MiG-29 and Su-25 of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine - Ministry of Defense

The past XNUMX hours have not made significant changes to the operational situation on the line of contact, positional battles continue along the entire front line, and only in the Artyomovsk direction, "musicians" from the Wagner PMC continue to play the "Bakhmut Overture", knocking the enemy out of their positions.


The past day was also unsuccessful for the Air Force of Ukraine, which lost two combat aircraft at once, and both over the territory of the DPR. According to the information provided by the military, the MiG-29 fighter of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was shot down by our fighters. All this happened near the village of Ukrainka. And in the Nikolskoye area near Ugledar, Russian air defense systems have already worked, shooting down a Su-25 attack aircraft of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

The Ministry of Defense has officially confirmed the transition under our control of Kurdyumovka near Bakhmut Artemovsk). Now all attention is focused on this direction, where the Wagner assault groups play the main role. In recent days, the enemy suffered heavy losses in this direction, after which he was forced to withdraw reserves from other directions and transfer them to Artemovsk in order to hold the city. According to reports, a battalion of the 65th Mechanized Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was sent from the Zaporozhye direction. This means that now the plans of the command of the Ukrainian grouping have been violated, they have to reshuffle the units again, trying to cover several directions at once. And this is a very difficult task, given the large losses and lack of reserves.

Positional battles are going on in other directions, on Kupyansky, an attempt by the enemy to attack from the Kotlyarovka area has been thwarted. The advancing enemy formations were covered by artillery strikes, aviation and TOS. At the Krasno-Limansky Armed Forces of Ukraine, they again tried to attack in the direction of Chervonopopovka, but ran into a rebuff and retreated. In total, in these two directions, the enemy lost over a day: more than 150 people killed and wounded, four tank, four infantry fighting vehicles, four armored cars and two pickup trucks. Eleven servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were taken prisoner.

In Yuzhno-Donetsk, the enemy made attempts to attack from the direction of Vugledar in the direction of Nikolskoye, but to no avail. Losses amounted to about 50 dryers, one tank, three armored personnel carriers and two pickup trucks.

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  1. Myths
    Myths 2 December 2022 14: 26
    +4
    Here are the good guys. Nefig bender fly. they shot down a kite, there he and a droga.
    1. Shurik70
      Shurik70 2 December 2022 15: 00
      0
      In the photo Buk-MB3K
      This technique was adopted only in 2016.
      Run in all new equipment in combat conditions
      1. private person
        private person 2 December 2022 15: 28
        +1
        In the photo Buk-MB3K
        This technique was adopted only in 2016.

        Is this by any chance the ROM 9A39 of the Buk-M1 complex?
        1. Shurik70
          Shurik70 2 December 2022 16: 04
          0
          Quote: private person
          Is this by any chance the ROM 9A39 of the Buk-M1 complex?

          Maybe he (from this angle you can’t tell).
          But let me remind you of the story of the Boeing shot down over Ukraine. One of the proofs of Ukraine's guilt was that in Russia this complex was withdrawn from service and it is not even in warehouses. And in Ukraine it is.
          Although Wagner could have won.
          1. private person
            private person 2 December 2022 16: 36
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            One of the proofs of Ukraine's guilt was that in Russia this complex was withdrawn from service and it is not even in warehouses.

            So on our TV, the 9A310M1 SOU has already flashed more than once in the area of ​​\u62b\uXNUMXbSVO. BRDM and T-XNUMX are also taken out of service, but they are used.
        2. cat hippopotamus
          cat hippopotamus 2 December 2022 19: 19
          +1
          The ROM 9A39 has two-tier missiles, it is both a launcher and a port loader. And here the missiles are only on launch beams and there are no beds for spare missiles.
          1. private person
            private person 2 December 2022 21: 09
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            And here the missiles are only on launch beams and there are no beds for spare missiles.

            Well, I'm not 100% sure. It’s just that I had to see the PZU in 95 before (he served urgently on 9A310M1) it’s very similar.
        3. Venara
          Venara 4 December 2022 14: 23
          0
          From this angle it is not possible to really determine anything. You can still determine by the type of SOU 9A38 or 9A310, but here is the ROM and the angle of the stern. And the most important, here there is no guarantee that the photo is related to a special operation and was taken at our positions at the current time. Modern Buk missiles are generally in TPU (transport and launch containers) ... yes, on all shootings, launches go only with a launch system, I have never seen launches from a ROM.
  2. Hadji Murat
    Hadji Murat 2 December 2022 14: 28
    +8
    Already twice as many planes were shot down than Ukraine had by the beginning of the year, and I also hope our command is actively helping the musicians, and our troops are covering the floor with a bazmut line of defense and flanks, allowing Wagner to move forward without fear for the flanks and rear
    1. Synoid
      Synoid 2 December 2022 14: 32
      0
      Haji, can't you count? Count all delivered boards from European and Eastern US concubines.
      1. Serg koma
        Serg koma 2 December 2022 14: 52
        -1
        Quote: Synoid
        Count all delivered boards from European and Eastern US concubines.
        Some questions for you laughing Have the "concubines" already delivered aircraft? Or are you supplying fakes?
        NATO Heads of State revisit the possibility to provide Kyiv with Soviet MiG-29 fighters (Poland has previously declared its readiness to send them to Kyiv) or even the multifunctional and easy-to-learn American F-16s, which are in abundance ”- Former Commander-in-Chief of NATO Allied Armed Forces in Europe, retired US Navy Admiral James Stavridis.
        If you have any information about the supply of combat aircraft from the "concubines" to 404, please voice it.
        1. Synoid
          Synoid 3 December 2022 04: 32
          0
          The petty dirty tricks of the USA and England have long been pushing their sixes for the supply of everything and everything.
          "again discussing the possibility" - honestly? What the owner from across the ocean will say then rush to carry out the mongrels, there is no one who can discuss except Hungary.
          1. Serg koma
            Serg koma 3 December 2022 20: 56
            -1
            Quote: Synoid
            Small dirty tricks of the USA and England

            А whatever is specific on the supply of combat aircraft, in addition to common phraseological units, is there?
            1. Synoid
              Synoid 4 December 2022 06: 28
              -1
              Can you post a protocol of intent? The usual logic is not enough to calculate the presence of aircraft in the Armed Forces of Ukraine before the SVO, and subtract the number of those shot down. Or do you think they started producing aircraft in Ukraine?
              1. Serg koma
                Serg koma 4 December 2022 08: 52
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                Quote: Synoid
                The usual logic is missing

                Have you tried logic? Thinking in the right direction good The number of ALL 404 flyers, + of all military Su and MiG podnatists (if they were put on the outskirts) does not converge with the number of "downed" Russian Defense Ministry (according to Konashenko) ... Registrations for the sake of titles, orders, payments and other preferences ... Read more with letaks 404 you can here - https://topwar.ru/203441-istrebitelnaja-aviacija-ukrainy.html
                Quote: Synoid
                in Ukraine, aircraft began to be produced?

                To produce, of course not, but feasible repairs can. Taking into account that not all 100% can be repairable, taking into account 25.08.2022

                “In the city of Zaporozhye, the production workshops of the Iskra plant were hit, in which the repair of air defense radar stations and counter-battery combat was carried out. The production buildings of the Migremont aircraft repair plant, where the aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force were being restored, were also destroyed,” Konashenkov said.
                Question: what kind of flyers are in the outskirts of the sky ???
                P/S/ Excursus into history:
                ...... February 8, 1944, the commander of the 6th IAK for the second time presented an award list with certificates of downed enemy aircraft. Considering the award list and the certificates attached to it, I had doubts about the correctness of the latter, i.e. whether certificates were issued for the same downed aircraft, only by different units and persons. Having asked the commander of the 3rd Air Army on the merits of this issue, I received an answer, as I had previously assumed, that Colonel Fedorov showed exceptional dishonesty and fraud, attributing to himself twice the same planes shot down by him.

                For the unworthy behavior of a senior officer, expressed in extortion and fraud, as well as unsatisfactory work as a division commander, I petition for the removal of Colonel Fedorov from his post and for his appointment with a demotion.
                - Commander of the 16th Air Army, Lieutenant General S.I. Rudenko
                1. Synoid
                  Synoid 4 December 2022 12: 58
                  -1
                  This was already enough "The number of ALL 404 letaks, + all combat Su and MiG podnatists (if they were put on the outskirts) does not converge with the number of "downed" Russian Defense Ministry (according to Konashenko)" to understand that you are not looking for the truth. That is, ours lie, but yours speak the truth? Open at least the Wiki Vorka and see how many MiG-29s, Su-24s and 25s, + L were produced and delivered outside the RSFSR. The USSR was a powerful industrial empire, only the states could compare.
                  "Produce, of course not, but feasible repairs can."
                  Repairs, and not only in Ukraine - also the eastern mongrels of Europe helped. Perhaps cannibalism and put into operation such an amount. If you are observant, you can see that the actions of Ukrainian aviation are episodic. Those. at the beginning of the operation, most of the aircraft were indeed destroyed. And those that fly now (1, 2 aircraft) are just restored.
                  "Question: what kind of flyers are in the outskirts sky?"
                  Letaki - is it on your planes?
                  1. Serg koma
                    Serg koma 4 December 2022 22: 00
                    -1
                    Quote: Synoid
                    That is, ours lie, but yours speak the truth?

                    On what basis do you stick labels?
                    You yourself probably draw all the information only from Wiki - does your common sense live there?
                    Do you have at least one fact of deliveries of combat aircraft to Ukraine?
                    Quote: Serg Koma
                    But is there anything specific for the supply of combat aircraft, besides general phraseological units?

                    From your favorite reference book (Wiki) - others probably don't interest you. laughing
                    Air force
                    Su-24 - 14
                    Su-25 - 31
                    Su-27 - 34
                    MiG-29 - 36
                    Su-24mr - 9
                    Total: 124 letaks excluding those states
                    NATO and "concubines" (total number of aircraft who WAS, excluding accidents and other force majeure)
                    Su-25 - 45 (total number)
                    Su-27 - 2 USA
                    Mig-29
                    Bulgarian Air Force - 12 MiG-29A and 4 MiG-29UB for 2017
                    Polish Air Force - 26 MiG-29A and 6 MiG-29UB, as of 2018
                    Serbian Air Force - 9 MiG-29, 3 MiG-29UB and 2 MiG-29S, as of 2018
                    Slovak Air Force - 10 MiG-29AS, 2 MiG-29UBS as of 2017 = TOTAL:109
                    124 + 109 = 233 TOTAL flyers according to Wiki, flying and not flying wassat
                    Briefing by Igor Konashenkov 04.12.2022 = 337 aircraft destroyed!!!
                    Come on, find more virtual planes from the "concubines", you only need to find 104, pull them by the ears to the outskirts for a report.
                    1. Synoid
                      Synoid 6 December 2022 12: 34
                      0
                      Quote: Serg Koma
                      Do you have at least one fact of deliveries of combat aircraft to Ukraine?
                      Do you have proof to the contrary?
                      Quote: Serg Koma
                      From your favorite reference book (Wiki) - others probably don't interest you.
                      Air force

                      I see you are not only deaf. I wrote "released and delivered outside the RSFSR," comprehend before answering.
                      I do not see countries in Africa, Asia in your list. Or faith normally does not give? Argue just for the sake of arguing.
                      To the question: can a given number of aircraft be delivered to Ukraine, the answer is yes, it is possible. At the same time, you did not indicate L, which were also transferred and used by Ukraine.
                      1. Serg koma
                        Serg koma 7 December 2022 06: 03
                        -1
                        Quote: Synoid
                        At the same time, you did not indicate L, which were also transferred and used by Ukraine.

                        At least one L-39, at least once, was mentioned in the destroyed Russian Defense Ministry? - if yes, please provide data, not "blah blah blah". .
                        Quote: Synoid
                        "produced and delivered outside the RSFSR"

                        Did you understand what you wrote?
                        Quote: Serg Koma
                        pull up by the ears to the outskirts for a report.

                        Quote: Synoid
                        Or faith normally does not give?

                        Now it's your turn to count - how many planes and where from country 404 was delivered. Let's see what faith you are laughing
                        Quote: Synoid
                        To the question: can a given number of aircraft be delivered to Ukraine, the answer is yes, it is possible.

                        "And if my grandmother .... - she would have been a grandfather" wassat
                        Quote: Synoid
                        I see you are not only deaf.

                        What "kindergarten" are you graduating from?
                      2. Synoid
                        Synoid 9 December 2022 03: 32
                        0
                        Everything is clear with you - merged.
                        Quote: Serg Koma
                        At least one L-39, at least once, was mentioned in the destroyed Russian Defense Ministry? - if yes, please provide data, not "blah blah blah".

                        Please - Ukrainian Air Force - February 24, 2022: A Ukrainian L-39 Albatros light attack aircraft from the 39th Tactical Aviation Brigade [UK], piloted by Dmitry Kolomiyets, was shot down by Russian aircraft in the Khmelnitsky region during the first hours of the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
                        Quote: Serg Koma
                        Quote: Synoid
                        At the same time, you did not indicate L, which were also transferred and used by Ukraine.

                        At least one L-39, at least once, was mentioned in the destroyed Russian Defense Ministry? - if yes, please provide data, not "blah blah blah". .
                        Quote: Synoid
                        "produced and delivered outside the RSFSR"

                        Did you understand what you wrote?
                        Quote: Serg Koma
                        pull up by the ears to the outskirts for a report.

                        Quote: Synoid
                        Or faith normally does not give?

                        Now it's your turn to count - how many planes and where from country 404 was delivered. Let's see what faith you are laughing
                        Quote: Synoid
                        To the question: can a given number of aircraft be delivered to Ukraine, the answer is yes, it is possible.

                        "And if my grandmother .... - she would have been a grandfather" wassat
                        Quote: Synoid
                        I see you are not only deaf.

                        What "kindergarten" are you graduating from?

                        If you don’t even know what the RSFSR is - what you can talk about, but yes, I forgot on the outskirts, only the globe of the outskirts is studied;)
                      3. Serg koma
                        Serg koma 12 December 2022 20: 00
                        -1
                        Quote: Synoid
                        At least one L-39, at least once, was mentioned in the destroyed Russian Defense Ministry? - if yes, please provide data, not "blah blah blah". .

                        Five. One was found))) It remains to find another 104-1 flying combat aircraft in the outskirts, released in the USSR. Those that fly now, you can not count yet - they are not yet on the lists of those destroyed by the RF Ministry of Defense.
                        Quote: Synoid
                        from the 39th tactical aviation brigade [United Kingdom]
                        wassat
                        Quote: Synoid
                        If you don’t even know what the RSFSR is, what can you talk about

                        What to talk about with you if you reprint nonsense - Our shot down NATO laughing try something other than your fingers.
                        Quote: Synoid
                        I forgot on the outskirts, only the globe of the outskirts is being studied;)
                        Do not forget what you have been taught so diligently.

                        PS Do you suspect that our CSTO allies are delivering aircraft? Or are you hinting at other CIS members from the former USSR in secret deliveries? Or maybe China? Or Algeria?
                      4. Synoid
                        Synoid 13 December 2022 02: 51
                        0
                        [quote = Serg Koma] [quote = Sinoid] At least one L-39, at least once, was mentioned in the destroyed Russian Defense Ministry? - if yes, please provide data, not "blah blah blah". .[/quote]
                        Religion did not allow not one to find? I graciously helped - do not thank, the rest look for yourself. The main thing caught you in balabolstvo;)
                        [quote = Serg Koma] If you don't even know what the RSFSR is - what can you talk about [/ quote]
                        All the same, you don’t know, once, because of these 5 letters, our enemies were thrown out of windows.
                        [quote = Serg Koma] PS Do you suspect that our CSTO allies are delivering aircraft? Or are you hinting at other CIS members from the former USSR in secret deliveries? Or maybe China? Or Algeria? [/ Quote]
                        For those who see only what they want - I wrote:
                        "I see you are not only deaf. I wrote" released and delivered outside the RSFSR, "comprehend before answering.
                        I do not see countries in Africa, Asia in your list. Or faith normally does not give? Argue just for the sake of arguing.
                        To the question: can a given number of aircraft be delivered to Ukraine, the answer is yes, it is possible. At the same time, you did not indicate L, which were also transferred and used by Ukraine."
                        Once again, take your time to read (if necessary, read several times), then find the information and you will succeed. Believe in yourself.
    2. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 2 December 2022 14: 40
      +4
      Quote: Hadji Murat
      Already twice as many planes were shot down than Ukraine had by the beginning of the year

      This is not true. They had about 300 pieces, they pulled out a lot more from storage, the "allies" had MotorSich engines. Well, at first, apparently they added a little loss to the enemy. It's probably stopped now.
      1. Serg koma
        Serg koma 2 December 2022 15: 06
        -2
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Well, at first, apparently they added a little loss to the enemy. Now they've stopped surely.

        For the destroyed aircraft - 300 thousand rubles;
        ▪️ For a destroyed helicopter - 200 thousand rubles;
        ▪️For the destroyed UAV - 50 thousand rubles;
        ▪️For a destroyed tank - 100 thousand rubles;
        ▪️For the destruction of infantry fighting vehicles, infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers, MTLB, self-propelled guns, S-300, Buk, Tor, Osa, MLRS combat vehicle - 50 thousand rubles.

        ‼️It is also possible to pay some of the most distinguished servicemen for the destruction of enemy manpower, as well as the solution of other assigned tasks - up to 100 thousand rubles.
        - (unverified information)

        But for postscripts, harsh comrades, they could have been shot ... Now it seems like a competition, according to this type, the results of which Konashenko sums up daily
      2. UAZ 452
        UAZ 452 4 December 2022 14: 06
        +1
        Well, at first, apparently they added a little loss to the enemy.

        The whole question is: "smallness" - how much, if expressed as an addition coefficient?
        It's probably stopped now.

        Maybe? Maybe they didn't stop? why should they have stopped?
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 2 December 2022 14: 34
    +1
    Fighter aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces and air defense systems shot down MiG-29 and Su-25 of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine
    And yesterday I thought that the figure of 333 (downed aircraft) has not changed for a long time. Here's a couple more added.
    now the plans of the command of the Ukrainian grouping have been violated, they have to reshuffle the units again, trying to cover several directions at once
    This means that there can be no talk of any "big offensive" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine yet. And the most combat-ready units are kicked out, which only plays into our hands.
  4. voice of reason
    voice of reason 2 December 2022 14: 37
    +3
    Artemovsk can become a version of the Verdun meat grinder. Already wrote about it but I will repeat. There is such a tactic, to force the enemy to introduce reserves into the ongoing battle in parts. At the moment, the geography of this settlement, which is difficult in terms of capturing, is possible. began to play in our favor. in the summer in August, when the PMC Wagner, the Cossacks of the 6th regiment and the volunteers of the 12th leopard went to the pokrovskoye, geography played against. Hills in the direction of Artemovsk, dams and quarries preventing advancement to Soledar, forest plantation strips allowing the enemy to transfer reserves. Then it was barely possible to catch on to the Knauf plant. Apparently now the situation has changed. If ours have already moved beyond the outskirts, then this whole configuration allows not only to concentrate reserves and cover art, but also to find places that are safe for shelling. But the enemy now needs to transfer reserves in the conditions of mudslides across open areas. Perhaps that is why it is more profitable for the Russian army to continue urban battles than to completely force the Armed Forces of Ukraine to move away from the city. After all, each battalion deployed by the Armed Forces of Ukraine to Artemovsk reduces the number of reserves in other areas and reduces the possibility of forming a strike force. And leaving Artemovsk to the Armed Forces of Ukraine cannot cause too much reputational damage in terms of information.
    1. neworange88
      neworange88 2 December 2022 15: 14
      +2


      A look at the situation from the West.
      .It may seem that Ukraine is winning. In fact, the opposite is true: it lacks personnel, and it cannot replace it. She loses on the battlefield, and due to the fact that the Russians systematically destroy infrastructure, millions of Ukrainians have already fled abroad. It is unlikely that the country will recover, even if the hostilities end tomorrow. Russia's personnel problems are not so serious. Moscow is replenishing frontline units with an unpopular mobilization program that has since extended into Ukraine's occupied territories. The Russian puppet army, the Wagner Group, has also grown significantly, from 8 in April to nearly 000 today. Wagner recruits personnel from Russian prisons and even other countries, especially from the Middle East and Africa.


      No less striking is the information about 1 Polish "volunteers" killed in Ukraine. Apparently, they were recruited from the active Polish land army, which consists of three divisions. In total, the Polish army has 200 soldiers and support personnel. It is unlikely to send much more, given the high casualties and the risk of Russia retaliating. The latest estimate puts Ukraine's ground army at 61. With alarmingly high casualties, President Volodymyr Zelensky faces a real crisis if the conflict drags on too long. Russia has recently focused on destroying vital infrastructure and command posts, as well as destroying high-value weapons as much as possible — especially HIMARS precision-guided missile systems. air defense units and Ukrainian artillery.

      https://inosmi.ru/20221201/bayden-258403028.html
      1. Alexander Salenko
        Alexander Salenko 2 December 2022 17: 23
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        The Poles rather sent territorial defense. relatively recently created, there are scumbags something like Azov, it was they who dealt with migrants during the crisis on the Belarusian border.
        1. neworange88
          neworange88 2 December 2022 17: 48
          0
          No, these are Polish vacationers and vacationers from the regular Polish army. The Poles will use the territorial defense only to defend Poland. The territorial defense just created there does not have the skills to attack.

          . Polish mercenaries, along with men, participate in hostilities in Ukraine. This was told by one of the Russian servicemen in the Kharkov region. According to the military, women, along with men, participate in the offensive operations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but many of them die.
          The Russian military clarified that the facts of the use of Polish female mercenaries by the Ukrainian army were revealed after the fighting. Their bodies were found by our military.
          “There were a lot of mercenaries there. Among these mercenaries there were even Polish women. Our people saw them there, they even collected the corpses later,” the serviceman said.

          https://bloknot.ru/v-mire/ukrainskij-krizis/rossijskij-voenny-j-rasskazal-o-gibeli-pol-skih-naemnits-na-ukraine-1011236.html
          1. Alexander Salenko
            Alexander Salenko 2 December 2022 19: 47
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            Maybe you are right, I do not insist, I just watched the video with Semyon Uralov. After all, what difference does it make to us? The fact that 1200 of them died is a couple of brigades there, they replaced those who left from mobilization Good luck to our guys, but maybe after the NWO in Poland the rhetoric will change? I would like to hope so.
            1. neworange88
              neworange88 2 December 2022 20: 32
              0
              The Krasnodar Territory seems to be also turning out to be front-line? Well, there a special regime was introduced in the front-line regions back in September, in my opinion. what

              A separate presidential decree introduces a special regime in the territories of the Republic of Crimea, Krasnodar Territory, Belgorod, Bryansk, Voronezh, Kursk, Rostov regions and the city of Sevastopol. Changes may affect many, but there is no reason to panic.
              According to the presidential decree, the protection of public order, military, important state and special facilities, facilities that ensure the livelihoods of the population will now be strengthened on the territory of Crimea. Particular attention will be paid to the functioning of transport, communications and communications, energy facilities. The security of facilities that pose an increased danger to human life and health and to the natural environment has also been strengthened. These are preventive measures. They mean that all structures will be more attentive to various important enterprises.
              In addition, a special mode of operation has been introduced for facilities that ensure the functioning of transport, communications and communications, energy facilities, as well as facilities that pose an increased danger to human life and health and to the natural environment.

              https://c-pravda.ru/news/2022-10-20/krym-oficialno-stal-prifrontovojj-territoriejj
              1. Alexander Salenko
                Alexander Salenko 2 December 2022 21: 07
                0
                In practice, it looks like I calmly went to Rossosh, from there to Belgorod. When on the way back they checked us on the bus, they only checked the trunks of the bus.
                But this is half the trouble, I recently drove past Belbek, an airfield near Sevastopol. and there are containers with ammunition right on the street. They may not be there, of course. and go fishing for live bait. but I doubt it. Was there little Dzhankoy?
                1. neworange88
                  neworange88 2 December 2022 22: 47
                  +1
                  .In practice, it looks like I calmly went to Rossosh, from there to Belgorod.


                  .But this is half the trouble, I recently drove past Belbek, an airfield near Sevastopol. and there are containers with ammunition right on the street.


                  So did you go or did you pass by?
                  1. Pankrat25
                    Pankrat25 3 December 2022 06: 58
                    +1
                    It has not yet decided on the orientation that you are pestering! wassat
                  2. Alexander Salenko
                    Alexander Salenko 3 December 2022 07: 56
                    +1
                    Well ochepyatalsya that you are so picky. I love to travel for work and outside of it.
    2. UAZ 452
      UAZ 452 4 December 2022 14: 10
      0
      There is such a tactic, to force the enemy to introduce reserves into the ongoing battle in parts.

      It seems that both sides decided to use this technique. But in such a situation, the one who defends has the advantage - his resources are spent more economically than those of the attackers.
  5. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 2 December 2022 15: 11
    +2
    What about the pilots of the downed aircraft of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, is there anyone to change or what?
  6. m_silenus
    m_silenus 2 December 2022 15: 35
    0
    Maybe these are the
    https://t.me/boris_rozhin/71771
  7. wladimirjankov
    wladimirjankov 2 December 2022 16: 04
    0
    When will our army, if it exists, finally seize the initiative. Why can't we move from passive defense and retreats to offensives in different directions. So that the Nazis did not know where and did not have time to transfer their reserves. In addition to Artyom and Avdiivka, it is necessary to crush them, and they must be returned to Zaporizhya and the Kharkov region, raisins, Kupyansk, the estuary, and Kharkov itself must be blocked. And Kherson and Nikolaev, Russian cities must be taken back. Banderists must not be given the opportunity to concentrate, transfer reserves and replenishment. We need a total war along the entire front line with its breakthroughs, calls to the rear and encirclement of enemy groups. As did our ancestors in the Second World War. Otherwise, sitting on the defensive, reacting and leading only to the actions of enemies or trying to succeed in one direction, we will get stuck in this swamp for a long time, we can run out of steam and eventually suffer a shameful defeat or go to a shameful world, which is essentially the same thing. In any case, this will not end well for the country.
    1. Alexander Salenko
      Alexander Salenko 2 December 2022 17: 29
      +2
      Well, if you remembered the Second World War, let's also remember the Battle of Kursk, where they just exhausted the enemy with defense, accumulated reserves and went on the offensive, and in all directions at the beginning of the year they tried, but crushed them with mass.
      If the enemy does not solve the problem with shells, then they will demolish him with artillery, like Denikin was demolished in 1915, he himself describes this, what shell hunger is. I, as a resident of the frontline region, of course, also want the Armed Forces of Ukraine to be pushed back, but it’s obvious that if you burn yourself with milk, you will blow on the water, so our generals are in no hurry, but time will tell if they are right or not.
      1. neworange88
        neworange88 2 December 2022 17: 56
        +1
        . To me, as a resident of the frontline region


        So the front-line region is different for the front-line region. If it's not a secret, then name the region.
        1. Alexander Salenko
          Alexander Salenko 2 December 2022 19: 48
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          Yes, what's the secret here, I'm under my last name, this is the Crimea, the city of Simferopol. For us, it doesn’t fly as well as for the Belgorod region, of course. Only the ladies have to be reassured, who are afraid of our technology, I say that it’s not someone else’s. That's when you should be afraid.
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  8. cat hippopotamus
    cat hippopotamus 2 December 2022 19: 10
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    Where else do they get planes? Like the deba have already killed everyone, but no, no, and they will shoot down somewhere else. It seems that they are already sending old trash from the former socialist camp. And the fact that the Nazis are being squeezed and pushed in all directions is good news.
    1. Tochilka
      Tochilka 2 December 2022 19: 21
      +2
      not excluded. that enliven the boards from the parking lots. After the collapse of the Union, more than 2 thousand aircraft remained there.
      In addition, I saw a comment in the discussions that dummies (false targets) on the ground could also be included in the number of destroyed aircraft (which were not only hit in the air). I think this could very well be the case.
      1. Oleg Ogorod
        Oleg Ogorod 3 December 2022 08: 07
        +2
        It's amazing that they have somewhere to take off from.
        It's amazing that they have something to repair them.
        However, the news is easy to change in one word:
        According to the information provided by the military, the MiG-29 fighter of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was shot down off course our fighters.
        Otherwise, how can one understand the reliable information of military analysts that the square had only 100 aircraft at the time the NWO began, and it was almost all destroyed in the first days of the NWO.
        And now the long-destroyed fourth hundred went.
        1. Sergey39
          Sergey39 3 December 2022 13: 43
          -1
          You carefully study the information!
          Now transferred planes from Eastern Europe and restored planes are taking to the skies!
          For MIG 29 and Su 25, no special conditions are needed! They can take off both from the primer and from the highway and small non-equipped airfields. (((
          1. Oleg Ogorod
            Oleg Ogorod 3 December 2022 19: 42
            +1
            And they spend the night at gas stations near highways ...
            Indeed, there is a buffet...
  9. Pankrat25
    Pankrat25 3 December 2022 06: 54
    +1
    given the large losses and lack of reserves.

    Poles started to run out? I do not believe! There are many more!
  10. Sergey39
    Sergey39 3 December 2022 13: 39
    +1
    Recently they wrote about these two aircraft flying over the Donbass. That's all, they flew off, another minus two letaks, I hope the pilots to Bandera!)))
  11. Colonel_Ivanov
    Colonel_Ivanov 3 December 2022 21: 14
    +1
    Is there any evidence (photo or video) that they were shot down? Or should we just take our word for it?
  12. garik77
    garik77 3 December 2022 22: 58
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    Shoot down and thank God! Another question is how xoxla got so many planes? Judging by the reports of our head of news, everything should have ended a long time ago!