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Ukrainian military almost stopped using Bayraktar UAVs

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Ukrainian military almost stopped using Bayraktar UAVs

In recent months, reports of Turkish Bayraktar drones in Ukraine have practically disappeared from the information space.


It is worth noting here that the reason for this phenomenon is not that our air defense has “forgotten” how to shoot down the drones widely advertised after the conflict in Karabakh. It's just that the Ukrainian military stopped using them.

Recall that the last time the mass use of the Bayraktar UAV by the Ukrainian army was observed during the attacks on the island of Serpents, which began in the first decade of May and continued until the end of June. At the same time, this period can only be called “bayraktaropad”. In senseless attacks, the Ukrainian Armed Forces lost dozens of Turkish drones.

In total, according to some reports, by the end of September of this year, Ukraine had lost about 130 Bayraktars.

In fact, this is the main reason for the abrupt cessation of the use of the aforementioned drones by the Ukrainian military. UAV stocks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are running out, but there are no new deliveries.

Speaking of the latter. At the end of October, it was reported that the Turkish company had sharply reduced the supply of its drones to Ukraine at the request of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan. The reason for such a decision on the part of the Turkish leader was allegedly a gas deal with Russia. According to others - grain.

At the same time, according to many experts, the most compelling reason for Ankara to stop deliveries of its drones to the Armed Forces of Ukraine was the very “anti-advertising” that the Ukrainian military created for the Bayraktar UAV. After all, the reputation that the UAV has earned in Nagorno-Karabakh was heavily “tarnished” by the incessant media reports about drones shot down during the conflict in Ukraine.

Finally, representatives of the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not deny the sharp decrease in the activity of Bayraktars on the battlefield. The Ukrainian command explains this by the strengthening of Russian air defense, which makes it “more careful” to use expensive drones. In addition, they remind that Bayraktar is more of a reconnaissance drone, the functions of which can also be performed by cheaper drones.
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  1. Bingo
    Bingo 2 December 2022 12: 43
    +1
    The wheel of genoty - it is such a wheel ...
    1. credo
      credo 2 December 2022 12: 48
      -6
      Everything suggests that the BC was sold by cunning "strategists" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and concern for safety is voiced to the public. This option also suits us, the main thing is to stay away from Russia and the NWO front. love
      1. alekseykabanets
        alekseykabanets 2 December 2022 13: 10
        +2
        Quote: credo
        Everything suggests that the BC was sold by cunning "strategists" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and concern for safety is voiced to the public.

        At least some sane are there any facts about it? Can you provide them? No need to wishful thinking. You threw your hat up a year ago, and how is reality similar to expectations? I always said that the uryakalki and hat-throwers bring more harm!
        1. Shurik70
          Shurik70 2 December 2022 13: 22
          +7
          Bayraktar is more of a reconnaissance drone

          This is exactly the IMPACT drone.
          So he thought, so he was made, and, accordingly, he has such a price and dimensions.
          1. alekseykabanets
            alekseykabanets 2 December 2022 13: 28
            -2
            Quote: Shurik70
            This is exactly the IMPACT drone.
            So he thought, so he was made, and, accordingly, he has such a price and dimensions.

            Am I arguing with this?
          2. Foul skeptic
            Foul skeptic 2 December 2022 13: 34
            -2
            This is exactly the IMPACT drone.

            No.
            That's how he thought, that's how he was made

            No. What the manufacturer himself says
            Bayraktar TB2 is a Medium Altitude Long Endurance (MALE), Tactical Unmanned Aerial Vehicle capable of conducting Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance...

            TV2's main weapon is its optics. KAB and UAB suspension is just a nice bonus.
            1. Shurik70
              Shurik70 2 December 2022 14: 05
              +3
              Quote: Nefarious skeptic
              TV2's main weapon is its optics. KAB and UAB suspension is just a nice bonus.

              A cheap quadcopter from 3 to 7 thousand rubles (mind you - RUBLES!) can be ordered on the Internet.
              With good optics - from 40 rubles.
              Bayraktar basic supply of $69 million for a complex consisting of 6 drones, 2 control stations, 200 units. ammunition and auxiliary equipment.
              Not expensive "pleasantness"?
              1. Foul skeptic
                Foul skeptic 2 December 2022 14: 38
                -1
                With good optics - from 40 rubles.

                Good or bad is subjective. Every optical system has its own characteristics. You just compare them to understand what "good" optics is.
                Not expensive "pleasantness"?

                No, especially when you consider that the text circulated on the Internet (which you cited, and which everyone cites) has not been true for a very long time. Not with Canadian, but with Turkish optics, these UAVs are sold even for $1,3 million. for a unit.
                1. Shurik70
                  Shurik70 2 December 2022 14: 48
                  +2
                  Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                  with Turkish optics, these UAVs are sold even for $1,3 million. for a unit

                  Any $1,3 million is more than $40.rubles
                  The price of pleasantness
                  1. Foul skeptic
                    Foul skeptic 2 December 2022 14: 55
                    -3
                    And 40 thousand is more than 990 rubles

                    good
                    I hope you understand the message of my picture, that you need to compare the comparable
                  2. alexmach
                    alexmach 2 December 2022 15: 29
                    +2
                    For any $ 1,3 million - this is more than 40 thousand rubles
                    The price of pleasantness

                    I'm sorry, but optics is not just a nice touch. They see what is happening there from tens of kilometers in good weather.
                    And the range of application of this Bayraktar and the flight time are simply not comparable.
                    1. Shurik70
                      Shurik70 2 December 2022 15: 41
                      0
                      We talked about the "pleasantness" of the shock application of Bayraktar.
                      The fact that a reconnaissance drone with similar optics and a similar range in a commercial version will be hundreds, if not thousands of times cheaper than Bayraktar.
                      That is why I called this drone a strike drone.
                      1. Foul skeptic
                        Foul skeptic 2 December 2022 16: 02
                        +1
                        The fact that a reconnaissance drone with similar optics and a similar range in a commercial version will be hundreds, if not thousands of times cheaper than Bayraktar.

                        Where did you get this from? Show me a commercial drone "with similar optics and similar range" even for $10? ("it will be hundreds, ... times cheaper than Bayraktar." - accepted that "hundreds" as 200 times, since they are in the plural).

                        There, all the "military" is in the presence of a laser pointer and a secure communication channel.
                      2. Shurik70
                        Shurik70 2 December 2022 16: 15
                        0
                        For example, Albatros-M5
                        The commercial price for handicraft, single-piece production is 1,6 million rubles.
                        Mass production will be much cheaper.
                        Maybe not 200, but 100 times cheaper than Bayraktar, which, as you yourself noticed, is $1,3 million
                      3. Foul skeptic
                        Foul skeptic 2 December 2022 16: 34
                        +1
                        For example, Albatros-M5

                        And where did you see similar range, flight duration and, most importantly, similar optics?! Here are the possible suspensions
                        https://alb.aero/catalog/poleznye-nagruzki/

                        Sorry, it's not even funny.
                        By the way, the payload on modular UAVs is usually not included in the price.
              2. alexmach
                alexmach 2 December 2022 15: 27
                +1
                Cheap quadrocopter from 3 to 7 thousand rubles

                Bayraktar basic supply of $69 million for a complex consisting of 6 drones,

                Well, you compared, damn it!
              3. strannik1985
                strannik1985 3 December 2022 13: 17
                0
                A cheap quadcopter from 3 to 7 thousand rubles (mind you - RUBLES!) can be ordered on the Internet.
                With good optics - from 40 rubles.

                https://lopatov-45.livejournal.com/30166.html
                Not really, the optoelectronic system (day / night - identification) with a laser range finder (target designation) on a gyro-stabilized platform is most convenient for servicing artillery, such a system will not be cheap. But the modern development of air defense is such that the drone can be considered as a disposable means of reconnaissance / strike, i.e. literally released - shot down - released a new one ... therefore, civilian quadrocopters of the "Mavik" type are massively used at the grassroots level.
            2. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 3 December 2022 18: 34
              0
              His weapons are weapons .... Powerful and accurate ATGMs ... Cornet level ....
          3. orionvitt
            orionvitt 2 December 2022 14: 52
            +6
            Quote: Shurik70
            This is exactly the IMPACT drone

            What difference does it make if, against normal air defense, it is disposable. And how many enthusiastic reports there were, here in VO, after Karabakh. This is the future, this is super-duper, this is finally. And how many minuses I then raked out, arguing that drones of the "bayraktar" type are an ideal target for any more or less normal air defense system (if the anti-aircraft gunners do not sleep). But time has put an end to this topic. Of course, they are good, all these drones, but only against barefoot partisans, that is, where there is no smell of any air defense ..
        2. credo
          credo 2 December 2022 13: 26
          -1
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          Are there any sane facts about this? Can you provide them? No need to wishful thinking. You threw your hat up a year ago, and how is reality similar to expectations? I always said that the uryakalki and hat-throwers bring more harm!

          I already told you more than it should be, partially revealing a military secret. So arivederchi. love
          1. alekseykabanets
            alekseykabanets 2 December 2022 13: 30
            -4
            Quote: credo
            I already told you more than it should be, partially revealing a military secret.

            You better keep such "military secrets" with you, otherwise you never know ...)))
    2. Lionnvrsk
      Lionnvrsk 2 December 2022 13: 05
      0
      It's just that the Ukrainian military stopped using them.

      Like in the famous cartoon...
  2. Two
    Two 2 December 2022 12: 43
    +5
    hi Six "green" lyams are not worth an Iranian "moped" ...
    1. Foul skeptic
      Foul skeptic 2 December 2022 12: 51
      -3
      Six llamas "green"

      Now less than 2. In this matter, the Russian-language Internet is thoroughly littered with outdated or incorrect data.
      1. Bingo
        Bingo 2 December 2022 13: 21
        +3
        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
        Now less than 2.

        200 or 600 times more expensive than Geranium - unprincipled. The main thing, which is expensive, for a disposable maize
        1. Foul skeptic
          Foul skeptic 2 December 2022 13: 28
          0
          Do you think it is appropriate to compare the cost of a kamikaze UAV and a multifunctional UAV with an emphasis on the reconnaissance function?
          It is disposable for two categories of people - 1) crooked hands 2) hat throwers
          1. Bingo
            Bingo 2 December 2022 13: 32
            +2
            Quote: Nefarious skeptic
            It is disposable in two categories of people

            And there is nothing strange in the cries about the fact that he is indestructible - they do not see people who do not understand why even in WWII, Kukuruznik, identical in terms of performance characteristics, even at night near the front line, by the end of the war, became a target. Disposable
            1. Foul skeptic
              Foul skeptic 2 December 2022 13: 37
              -3
              And there is nothing strange in the cries about the fact that he is invincible

              It's just as weird as the fact that it's... disposable.
              When the townsfolk on one side argue with the townsfolk on the other side, then such "conclusions" are obtained. The sleep of reason gives birth to monsters.
  3. Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
    Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov 2 December 2022 12: 44
    +2
    Ukrainian military almost stopped using Bayraktar UAVs

    ***
    I marvel at the thought of that thought:
    Why didn’t I sokіl, why don’t I fly? ...
    ***
    1. Bingo
      Bingo 2 December 2022 13: 24
      +2
      Quote: Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
      I marvel at the thought of that thought:
      Why didn’t I sokіl, why don’t I fly? ...

      So you see, the Lord didn’t give krilitz to the pigs, sit in the swamp and eat feces)))
  4. Uprun
    Uprun 2 December 2022 12: 44
    0
    What kind of crap is this Turkish craft, the heroes are waiting for a gray eagle from the striped ones, that’s how it was ...............
    1. _Ugene_
      _Ugene_ 2 December 2022 12: 53
      +2
      the gray eagle is good, you can’t argue, but they don’t give serfs master’s weapons
  5. Carlos Hall
    Carlos Hall 2 December 2022 12: 44
    0
    If they stopped using them, it's because 15 have already been demolished, perhaps more, but 15 are visually documented.
  6. rocket757
    rocket757 2 December 2022 12: 49
    +7
    In total, according to some reports, by the end of September of this year, Ukraine had lost about 130 Bayraktars.
    Too convenient target for air defense ... that's the whole story.
    1. Foul skeptic
      Foul skeptic 2 December 2022 12: 56
      -13
      Too convenient target for air defense

      We don’t have so many air defense systems that will get this UAV in range, when it performs intelligence flights.
      All Bayraktars that were lost were lost only because of their misuse.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 2 December 2022 13: 39
        +3
        Air defense systems are clearly divided according to performance characteristics, incl. and in range...
        That pepelats will fit into the affected area, even if it is a barreled anti-aircraft gun, it will most likely end there.
        The question is the price of anti-aircraft missiles, nothing more ... is it worth spending an expensive missile on such a cheap thing?
        1. Foul skeptic
          Foul skeptic 2 December 2022 13: 57
          -8
          That pepelats will fit into the affected area

          So that you understand the capabilities of the ECO installed on a Turkish UAV

          The greatest practical interest is the SW IR channel, timing 1:00-1:17
          With proper use (as it was in the spring, when UAVs over Nikolaev were shining targets for Ukrainian Tornadoes near Kherson), only the S-300 will be able to remove you from military air defense.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 2 December 2022 14: 01
            +2
            They filmed them with what they had to, what they got at the moment ... that's why they don't fly.
        2. vovochkarzhevsky
          vovochkarzhevsky 2 December 2022 14: 08
          +2
          So Bayraktar TB2 itself is priced at 2,5-3 million USD. Anti-aircraft missiles are cheaper in every way. Yes, and no matter how the Turks do not sell them individually, only in sets.
      2. Scientist
        Scientist 2 December 2022 14: 04
        +5
        What is his range, what can not be reached?
        In the presence of a little bit of air defense, Bayraktar is a training target: low speed, lack of either active or passive protection, rather large dimensions.
        1. Foul skeptic
          Foul skeptic 2 December 2022 14: 32
          -3
          What is his range, what can not be reached?

          Above is a message with a video of the ECO, which is also used on TB2
          1. Scientist
            Scientist 2 December 2022 15: 08
            +2
            This is at an altitude of 3644 feet, that is, 1,11 km. Gets knocked down by everything that shoots.
            Thus, he can only work while being over his territory no closer than a few tens of kilometers from the front line. Closer, he simply gets it.
            1. Foul skeptic
              Foul skeptic 2 December 2022 15: 18
              -3
              This is at an altitude of 3644 feet, that is, 1,11 km.

              wassat
              That is, the fact that air defense takes into account two parameters, reach in height and reach in range you decided to omit in your conclusions? For 60 km from their positions, it will be possible to shoot down this UAV not at all with "everything that shoots."
              Closer, he simply gets it.

              And why should he fly closer if he can see farther? Just to make a pleasant air defense of the enemy?
              1. Scientist
                Scientist 2 December 2022 16: 01
                +3
                And if it is above its territory, then any helium balloon with such a camera will cope with this. Or a copter with Ali, which is launched directly from the trench and costs a thousand times cheaper.
                1. Foul skeptic
                  Foul skeptic 2 December 2022 16: 10
                  -4
                  And if it is above its territory, then any helium balloon with such a camera will cope with this.

                  So go ahead, launch a startup with helium balloons. Tear the entire world military-industrial complex.
                  Or a copter with Ali, which is launched directly from the trench and costs a thousand times cheaper.

                  if for you there is no difference in reconnaissance at the squad-platoon level and the army level, then our conversation will not be productive.
                  1. Scientist
                    Scientist 2 December 2022 16: 59
                    +3
                    Again. To see to a greater depth of defense, he needs to go into the air defense zone. And the same copters fly to shallow depths. Or small drones.
                    Actually, now the vast majority of drones are defenseless against air defense. They can only survive on low visibility. You can't say the same about Bayraktars.
                    1. Foul skeptic
                      Foul skeptic 2 December 2022 17: 38
                      -5
                      Again. If for you there is no difference in reconnaissance at the squad-platoon level and the army level, then our conversation will not be productive.
                      Being 50 km from "zero" (that is, beyond the defeat of 99% of military air defense systems), you will recognize the growth figures of people in depth from 0 to 10 km on a front width of 70 km throughout the daylight hours. To view the entire tactical depth of defense (20 km), you need to approach 40 km. If we limit ourselves to reconnaissance only for equipment, and not for HP, then we can stay behind the same 50 km. By tying the detected objects to the terrain for subsequent artillery strikes. And air defense ... What is air defense? It is always in a losing variant, since in order to monitor the situation, one must expose oneself to RTR means. With a built-in interaction system, this guarantees a quick gift.
      3. GREGORY
        GREGORY 2 December 2022 16: 55
        +2
        "We don't have many air defense systems that will reach this UAV in range when it performs reconnaissance flights."
        The control range of this UAV is up to 150 km, ceiling: 8200 m, maximum speed: 222 km / h (or 61,6 m / s), length: 6,5 m, wingspan: 12 m.
        The combat effectiveness of the UAV is also determined by its payload, namely:
        1. Electron-optical surveillance and laser targeting system module - Canadian Wescam CMX 15D system - reconnaissance range 15 km (number after CMX). Turkish optics have no more.
        2. Guided munitions with a range of up to 8 km for UMTAS ATGMs and up to 14 km for MAM-L (gliding small-sized munitions) - 14 km when using GPS / INS.
        It follows from this that the detection of the Bayraktar-TV2 UAV target is possible at a distance of no more than 15 km, and to defeat it, the UAV must approach the target up to the range of guided munitions - which is 8 km or 14 km.
        That is, in order for the Bayraktar-TV2 UAV not to complete its combat mission, it must be hit to the maximum range of its guided weapons - 14 km.
        Let's compare these parameters with the performance characteristics of the 9K317 Buk-M2 air defense system used during the SVO (data from open sources):
        1. The affected area in range - 3..50 km (for aircraft of the F-15 type - more TV2) and up to 20 km (for the PRR type AGM-88 HARM with dimensions: length 4,17 m, diameter: 0,25 m , wingspan 1,13 m - i.e. much less than BV2);
        2. Altitude kill zone - 10..25000 m for F-15 type aircraft and 100..15000 m for AGM-88 HARM PRR, that is, more than TV2 - 8200m;
        3. The maximum speed of hit targets is 1100 m / s (for TV2 - 61,6 m / s).
        With such performance characteristics of the airframe, reconnaissance and destruction equipment, the TV2 UAV is a simple target for air defense systems.
        That is why they were shot down en masse in the first months of the NWO. And not because. that they were misused. Not for this purpose, SVU-shniks were trained by the crowd to work on them.
        Yes, there were losses due to erroneous exploitation. But this is a very small part of the total losses.
        By the number of downed drones, one can judge how many were purchased and how often they are used. And here is the situation.
        First, Bloomberg reported that Ukraine bought more drones from Turkey than was announced. According to their data - 20 complexes (6 UAVs in each), 120 UAVs in total.
        Secondly, at the initial stage, the UAVs were used very actively.
        Third, there were also frequent reports of UAVs being hit by air defense weapons, incl. with visual confirmation (not often).
        Fourth, the fact of their mass destruction was confirmed by the head of the Association of Defense Enterprises of Ukraine Serhiy Pashinsky (link - https://t.me/RVvoenkor/29615 and other sources);
        Fifth, in recent months, these IED UAVs have practically not been used (very quiet on the network);
        Sixth, the idea of ​​a UAV manufacturing plant in Ukraine was also quietly blown away.
        If all of the above is summed up and the fiction with their incorrect use is removed, then according to various sources on the network, the number of downed TV2s during the CBO is about 90-100 pieces, which corresponds to the state of affairs.
        1. ROSS_51
          ROSS_51 3 December 2022 19: 46
          0
          And where infa. that assembly in Ukraine is not performed?
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 2 December 2022 12: 51
    +5
    the Ukrainian military stopped using them... by the end of September of this year, Ukraine had lost about 130 Bayraktars.
    Obviously, there are units left for use, which are kept in the stash for their "decisive blow", which has been ringing for more than one week. It is possible that the gas and grain deal influenced the cessation of UAV deliveries, but, as the author correctly noted, the anti-advertising of this product received in Ukraine played an important role. And more recently, songs were composed about this "miracle weapon".
    1. Uprun
      Uprun 2 December 2022 13: 19
      +3
      Such a song of the same name "bayraktar" is sung on the outskirts ......
    2. ROSS_51
      ROSS_51 3 December 2022 19: 54
      0
      What, the Ukrainians said so - We don’t need your bayraktars - they are shot down?
      The author of the article seems to have suffered from boredom. suddenly I thought, for a long time I haven’t heard about bayraktars on the net .. I sucked it out of my finger and put an article here with brilliant conclusions - they were all shot down! HURRAH!!!))
      And echo uryauryauryaurya ....
      What did the topvar turn into when people who really had reliable information fell silent in connection with the NWO.
  8. Boniface
    Boniface 2 December 2022 14: 11
    0
    And including that Bayraktar much more expensive than an ordinary drone, with almost the same functionality (the strike version with air-to-ground missiles was not used on a large scale by Bayraktars)
    + drone - low price, independence from runways - hence mobility, stealth, well, VOG or F-1 can be hung
  9. Leader_Barmaleev
    Leader_Barmaleev 2 December 2022 15: 38
    0
    I remember a good song - just amazingly out of place ...

    Money, money, roasted seeds.
    They were, but they left, there is not a penny.

    Sonya told me
    On the hand, a solid success,
    Cut lemon slices
    Don't eat it whole.

    Sing songs while you live
    Have fun, dance, play!
    But without money you will be lost -
    Don't forget about things.
  10. no better place for
    no better place for 2 December 2022 23: 49
    0
    In total, according to some reports, by the end of September of this year, Ukraine had lost about 130 Bayraktars.

    According to Konashenkov, according to anyone. Because there was a maximum of 4-5 photo fixations.


    Speaking of the latter. At the end of October, it was reported that the Turkish company had sharply reduced the supply of its drones to Ukraine at the request of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

    Who reported it?
    Grandmothers on the benches?

    According to some reports, it is not clear who reported it .... This is not serious
  11. no better place for
    no better place for 2 December 2022 23: 53
    -1
    At the same time, according to many experts, the most compelling reason for Ankara to stop deliveries of its drones to the Armed Forces of Ukraine was the very “anti-advertising” that the Ukrainian military created for the Bayraktar UAV. After all, the reputation that the UAV has earned in Nagorno-Karabakh was heavily “tarnished” by the incessant media reports about drones shot down during the conflict in Ukraine.

    For your information, Konashenkov is not listened to in the world, and the propaganda Z-channels are not read to know about "hundreds" of downed bayraktars. And as for the reputation, you can easily understand by looking at how many contracts the biker has signed this year.
    In addition, they remind that Bayraktar is more of a reconnaissance drone, the functions of which can also be performed by cheaper drones.

    But this just brings clarity to the competence of the author
  12. Fangaro
    Fangaro 3 December 2022 08: 26
    -1
    What is the antenna in the background of the photo? Tell me if anyone knows.
    1. Denis812
      Denis812 3 December 2022 09: 59
      +1
      Eustace - Alex

      The control station of these Bayraktars.
      They call it Baikar :)
      Read https://army.ric.mil.ru/Stati/item/388005/
  13. Denis812
    Denis812 3 December 2022 09: 55
    0
    They beat down everything that the APU launched, which is why the APU stopped using "tractors".
    Surely the Armed Forces of Ukraine still have such drones, but they are already afraid to launch them, they are saving them for some special occasion.
    Well, the Turks stopped supplying, because the anti-advertising turned out.
    Eh, I said during the last war between Azerbaijan and Armenia, that the success of tractors is not evidence of the outstanding qualities of the Turkish military industry, but only an indicator of low training and poor equipment of Armenian air defense.
  14. Scientist_
    Scientist_ 3 December 2022 10: 42
    0
    Quote from Fangaro
    What is the antenna in the background of the photo? Tell me if anyone knows.

    It's not an antenna, it's a lifting mechanism.
  15. Oleg133
    Oleg133 3 December 2022 12: 05
    0
    How did T. Stalin win the war? .. Cheaper and more massive il2
  16. core
    core 3 December 2022 12: 13
    0
    this is a private company, there is money, there is a product, there is no money, there is no product. everything is simple, in Ukraine there are only debts, no one will sell for that.
  17. Fangaro
    Fangaro 3 December 2022 20: 22
    -1
    Quote: Denis812
    Eustace - Alex

    The control station of these Bayraktars.
    They call it Baikar :)
    Read https://army.ric.mil.ru/Stati/item/388005/


    Thank you!
    I read it with interest.
  18. certero
    certero 3 December 2022 20: 51
    0
    It annoys me that Bayraktars GENERALLY could at least somehow act with those characteristics of Russian air defense, which we know from open sources. For any C300, this is the simplest target, slow, high, weakly maneuvered. And how our electronic warfare was touted ...
  19. Mister who
    Mister who 3 December 2022 22: 40
    0
    If the old S-200 system shot down the ambulance over Serbia, what can we say about the maize, which is inferior in speed to the German fighters of the Second World War. I just cut the dough for know-how. He's too expensive. The red price is an order of magnitude lower!