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The UK intends to replace obsolete cannon artillery with rocket launchers

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The UK intends to replace obsolete cannon artillery with rocket launchers

The UK Ministry of Defense intends to get rid of obsolete artillery systems, replacing them with American-made multiple launch rocket systems. British generals have long insisted on such a replacement, stating that cannon artillery no longer provides the required range.


According to The Telegraph newspaper, the British AS-90 155 mm self-propelled artillery mounts are the first to be replaced. It is these howitzers that cause the most criticism from the military. According to British Defense Secretary Ben Wallace, AS-90s are hopelessly outdated and have shown their ineffectiveness in the course of use in the conflict in Ukraine after the transfer of the Armed Forces. The main claim to the self-propelled guns is too small a firing range compared to analogues. Instead of decommissioned self-propelled guns, the British intend to purchase American MLRS M270 MLRS.

The rearmament program provides for the replacement of the AS-90, which is very important. If I get a chance to do it sooner, I will.

Wallace stated.

In April of this year, the UK delivered about twenty AS-90 self-propelled guns to Ukraine. The British also trained Ukrainian crews to operate these installations. Kyiv does not provide any information about the use of ACS data.

The 155-mm AS-90 self-propelled guns are in service with the armies of Great Britain and Poland, a total of 179 units were produced, not counting prototypes. It has not received wide distribution. The firing range is 24 km in the basic version and up to 30 km with an extended barrel. Rate of fire - 3 rounds per minute, can use all 155-mm NATO ammunition.
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  1. Kuroneko
    Kuroneko 2 December 2022 09: 28
    +10
    To health, since they are so rich (and stupid). We're better off.

    And cannon artillery will last more than one century.
    1. oleg-nekrasov-19
      oleg-nekrasov-19 2 December 2022 09: 36
      +8
      The Americans, I look, well done and the British are planting on their MLRS, "businessmen" wink
      1. Shurik70
        Shurik70 2 December 2022 12: 54
        +4
        Well, the cost of an unguided artillery shell of 152-155 mm caliber is from $100 to $300
        The cost of a jet controlled - from $ 50
        And the shelf life of guided projectiles is 10 times less than unguided ones.
        Germany is now crying that they have no shells left - they sent everything to Ukraine, the warehouses are empty.
        What volumes of warehouses will be in the transition to guided missiles?
        I can only welcome this concept of the British.
        1. oleg-nekrasov-19
          oleg-nekrasov-19 2 December 2022 12: 59
          +3
          I’m saying - young people, money - in your pocket, expensive weapons - slaves and let them not whine laughing
        2. Barberry25
          Barberry25 2 December 2022 15: 17
          +1
          and also the fact that a self-propelled gun can take on board fifty + shells and fire for a long time, while the MLRS has problems with this
        3. Timx
          Timx 2 December 2022 15: 28
          +3
          It seems that the Britons believed that in the event of a mess in Europe, they would shoot with impunity from their lousy island across the strait laughing And for this, the range of barreled artillery, of course, is not enough for them)))
        4. Witsapiens
          Witsapiens 3 December 2022 13: 31
          +1
          If we compare the number of unguided projectiles needed to hit a target with guided ones, then "expensive" guided ones will come out cheaper, as far as I hear. And in general, now we would still consider them stupid and throw up our hats, yeah.
          1. stankow
            stankow 4 December 2022 13: 00
            0
            Well, compare $300 to $50000. One RS will replace 160 regular ones, right? By acting on a goal? How many targets? laughing
    2. Fisherman
      Fisherman 2 December 2022 09: 41
      +3
      Indians are burning Britain .... and they are doing it right! Meanwhile, the French set themselves the task of urgently restoring the production of simple, inexpensive artillery with a fast production cycle, realizing the senselessness and high cost of their Caesars, whose production cycle is about 24 months (and a guided projectile for it is about 6 months). Apparently France is not yet ruled by the Algerians.
      1. Foul skeptic
        Foul skeptic 2 December 2022 11: 07
        +3
        the production cycle of which is about 24 months (and the guided projectile for it is about 6 months)

        What ceiling are you taking it from? About the projectile for 6 months, it doesn’t climb into any gate at all. You also need to know how to lie.
      2. Peter1First
        Peter1First 2 December 2022 11: 17
        +1
        It may be that AS-90s also served them themselves, but the APU needs to throw something in, so they declared them "obsolete" - now they will write off and everything will be handed over to the APU ...
        1. topol717
          topol717 2 December 2022 22: 55
          -1
          Quote from: Peter1First
          It may be that AS-90s also served them themselves, but the APU needs to throw something in, so they declared them "obsolete" - now they will write off and everything will be handed over to the APU ...

          Yes Yes. There, everyone thinks about 404, and not about their pocket.
          The main goal, like ours, is to cut kickbacks. But for this you need to come up with a good reason.
    3. Corrosion inhibitor
      Corrosion inhibitor 2 December 2022 09: 48
      -1
      They do it right. They have advanced electronics. They don’t need to lay a carload of shells around the dugout so that one of them can finally get there when everyone has already fled from there. They are going to continue to hit right in the crown, with the very first shot. It will no longer be possible to heroically sit in the trenches.
      Whoever enters the battlefield without cover will be alive until he crosses the zone of destruction of high-precision reactive systems.
      1. Peter1First
        Peter1First 2 December 2022 11: 26
        -2
        The more technologically advanced the wunderwaffe, the more vulnerabilities he has! Part of the Himars missiles will take down the air defense, and the rest will fall just far around the dugout, because. Electronic warfare will slip modified GPS coordinates onto the rocket ... But no one can influence a 155mm projectile in flight!
        1. Corrosion inhibitor
          Corrosion inhibitor 2 December 2022 11: 55
          -2
          You have listened to propaganda. All our electronic warfare now can still do something, because it appeared after countries with advanced industry developed their communications, incl. military. Now they are rebuilding them. And then ... the missiles will fly right into the loopholes and windows, even if we are talking about the company-platoon link. I won’t even talk about the perfection of ignorance of battalion, regimental and divisional reserves - they will hit the top ten right away, at a very long distance. Whoever cannot do this will die, he will lose.
          You can not doubt it for a second. Just wait a year or two. Changes are on the way.
          The war in Ukraine today, in most cases, is a war of barbarians with clubs. All this is needed in the format in which it is now, only in order to finally decide which technologies have finally died and will no longer bring victory in the war.
        2. Foul skeptic
          Foul skeptic 2 December 2022 12: 00
          -2
          because Electronic warfare will slip modified GPS coordinates onto the rocket ...

          Spoofing military vehicle signals? How can you be sure she's not safe from him? And in a device with such a powerful emitter that it can suppress the signal from satellites hundreds of meters up with its modified signal, will it not arrive first? Because it will be copied by means of RTR. And where do you get so many of these systems to create a solid umbrella? So the bridge in Kherson was of strategic importance (I am silent about all sorts of checkpoints, storage bases, etc.). Based on the results, is your conclusion - there was no "electronic warfare" there, or does it not work the way you imagine it?
          1. topol717
            topol717 2 December 2022 23: 03
            -1
            Electronic warfare against satellites and devices with antennas up, cannot work purely physically.
            But Weapons don't need super-chips, it's just the opposite, they need those. what was done roughly 20 years ago. They consume a lot of electricity, but have good protection against radiation and other things. And thank God, thanks to the widespread (in every car) introduction of Era-Glonass in Russia, there are no problems with this. The Americans even imposed sanctions on Glonasssss!!!!
    4. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 2 December 2022 09: 49
      +4
      Quote: Kuroneko
      To health, since they are so rich (and stupid). We're better off.

      yes Swam. We know.
    5. bayard
      bayard 2 December 2022 15: 58
      -2
      Quote: Kuroneko
      To health, since they are so rich (and stupid). We're better off.

      What is better for you? The fact that now all these "unnecessary" self-propelled guns will go to Ukraine? But they will go.
    6. Fizik13
      Fizik13 3 December 2022 10: 34
      +1
      Quote: Kuroneko
      And cannon artillery will last more than one century

      One complements the other, but the British do not know about it.
  2. Victor Masyuk
    Victor Masyuk 2 December 2022 09: 35
    +3
    Rather, in this way, the British Ministry of Defense makes it clear to its own population that they say do not worry, the British army does not really need them. And then, quite unexpectedly, this artillery will end up on the territory of the former Ukraine.
  3. U-58
    U-58 2 December 2022 09: 38
    +2
    I don't quite understand English. What the heck is an increased, combat range?
    When firing, let's say, at 40 km, any projectile, whether it's just artillery or rocket, will not have hit accuracy.
    Unless they launch something homing-planning-adjustable.
    And so their self-propelled guns are quite suitable for front-line combat.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 2 December 2022 20: 35
      +2
      "Unless they launch something homing-planning-adjustable" ///
      ---
      This is the future of artillery. Systems with correction at the terminal section.
      Ballistics is not enough when shooting at extreme distances.
      It's a shame to fire a projectile at the maximum number of charges,
      that ruins the trunk, and at the same time get "into the milk".
  4. I dare to_notice_
    I dare to_notice_ 2 December 2022 10: 05
    +3
    "... stating that cannon artillery no longer provides the required range of destruction."
    Too shy to ask...
    And where are they on that island far to shoot?
    Will they be buried on it? ..
    1. Andy_nsk
      Andy_nsk 2 December 2022 12: 09
      +2
      And where are they on that island far to shoot?

      It is obvious that the small Britons are not going to fight on their territory, however, they have never fought in Britain.
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 2 December 2022 10: 37
    +2
    And the conflict in Ukraine has shown that it is too early and even harmful to abandon the barreled artillery. And the use of even the old Rapiers showed their effectiveness and accuracy in direct fire. Well, unless the British plan to fight the enemy exclusively at long distances and not make contact at all. So it's just a dream.
  6. Georgy Sviridov_2
    Georgy Sviridov_2 2 December 2022 16: 03
    +2
    The USSR has already gone through this. At short distances (up to 20 km), conventional artillery was more effective. At 20-30 km there was +/- parity, then 30 km there was a separation of the RSZO ...
    I'm not talking about the fact that modern air defense intercepts RSZO missiles ...
  7. Damask
    Damask 2 December 2022 17: 26
    +2
    I think they will find the key to the Hamers by the end of the year, time flows, each hnya leaves some kind of trace
    1. Keer
      Keer 3 December 2022 01: 44
      +1
      The key to chimeras is barrage kamikaze drones, or MLRS with adjustable projectiles capable of hitting them on the march, and not msta-b batteries
  8. Yaroslav the Wise
    Yaroslav the Wise 2 December 2022 19: 09
    +3
    In principle, the news is interesting. First of all, the fact that the Britons have completely lost their minds. Biden's syndrome (such a new disease. walks around Europe) continues to progress in a far from progressive Europe. Here, even the sighted will see a lot of problems. First: who will be the exclusive supplier of ammunition for the M270? Correctly! USA. And whose pockets will then be filled with dollars? Again, right - the Americans. Second, and most interesting. In cases of large-scale conflict, ammunition tends to run out. And their delivery from America will not be as fast as we would like. Well, you need to take into account such a fact as sabotage at the plant where ammunition for the notorious M270 is produced.
  9. Anton Vasiliev
    Anton Vasiliev 2 December 2022 19: 33
    -1
    It’s just that the modern NATO concept of war does not provide for a year of artillery battles standing on the same front line as in Ukraine, so it’s clear that they don’t need cannon artillery, it’s strange that some don’t understand this
  10. cat hippopotamus
    cat hippopotamus 2 December 2022 21: 36
    +2
    There is no alternative to artillery, of course, all these multiple rocket launchers, especially with satellite guidance, are much superior to the capabilities of a simple howitzer. However, you will not always use all these RSZRs in close combat. And here, in direct contact, artillery is indispensable. Of course, if the British have already forgotten when they fought directly with the enemy on the battlefield, then you can also refuse rifles, citing the weak effectiveness of weapons.
    1. Keer
      Keer 3 December 2022 01: 21
      0
      Budyonny believed that there was no alternative to the cavalry. Especially in deep raids behind enemy lines. Here we are talking about gun mounts 150+ and they, as it were, are not for direct fire to maintain the cutting edge.
  11. Fangaro
    Fangaro 2 December 2022 21: 37
    +2
    I'm an old soldier and I don't know the words...
    True old. But a simple private.
    And the British scientists... Oh! The British military decided to replace their cannon artillery with jet artillery. Made in USA.
    And they also write that in Russia there is corruption and electronics from China are simply labeled "Made by us".
    It seems that in many countries the employees of the state serve their own prosperity.
    Interestingly, in the United States, employees of federal departments also do this?
    Price question? Or in the States, well, at least where there is a lot of money, you can’t bribe employees?
  12. Keer
    Keer 3 December 2022 00: 57
    0
    Cannon artillery of large calibers is heavy, high-tech, has a limited rate of fire and range. Plus it is relatively cheap shots. MLRS launch tube, a simple thing. High-precision projectiles for cannon artillery are much more complex and expensive than for MLRS, due to horse accelerations in the barrel. The value (cost) of people (calculations) is also not like under Borodino. So, there is a reasonable grain in their thoughts.
  13. Keer
    Keer 3 December 2022 01: 04
    0
    In terms of efficiency, three axes with an excalibur do not differ from a pipe on a tripod with a controlled RS. Which, a pipe, can be carried on a cart with a donkey.
  14. Keer
    Keer 3 December 2022 01: 17
    0
    The MLRS launch platform, in general, can be unmanned and disposable, provided that all control, guidance and correction will be concentrated in the operator-projectile channel, and, that is, will be external.
  15. army_retired
    army_retired 3 December 2022 09: 14
    0
    It is clear that all the freed cannon artillery will be presented to the sun
  16. Div Divich
    Div Divich 3 December 2022 21: 54
    +1
    You can earn more on rocket artillery, they will buy cannon artillery for themselves in other countries, if necessary.

    They are globalists.
  17. engy
    engy 3 December 2022 22: 30
    0
    Science fiction writers write about nano-mixing of gunpowder. This will change their properties and possibly their range. I remember that in the 2000s they showed a government meeting led by Fradkov. Everything was brisk, until finally Fradkov roughly asked: "And now, what do we have in the field of nanotechnology development?" Everyone sank at once. Then Putin, I remember, set the task of developing nanotechnology. I wonder if there is something in Russia about this?
  18. stankow
    stankow 4 December 2022 12: 56
    0
    60 years too late. Under Khrushchev, they were also fond of rockets alone ...