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An adviser to Zelensky's office called the "real" losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine since the start of hostilities in Ukraine

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An adviser to Zelensky's office called the "real" losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine since the start of hostilities in Ukraine

Ursula von der Leyen, the head of the European Commission, announced the loss of 100 military personnel in Ukraine is wrong, in fact, the Ukrainian army lost much less, and at times. This was stated by adviser to the head of Zelensky's office Mikhail Podolyak.


In Kyiv, they finally reacted to von der Leyen's speech, in which she spoke about the 100th loss of the Armed Forces of Ukraine since the beginning of the Russian special operation. According to Podolyak, the estimates of Ukraine's losses given in Europe are "erroneous", in fact, the Armed Forces of Ukraine actually lost from 10 to 13 thousand people, and most of them were out of order as a result of injuries and will soon return to duty. This is the mathematics of Kyiv.

Undoubtedly, Madame Ursula was mistaken. Therefore, they removed this video, removed these figures - we have the official estimates of the General Staff, which are voiced by the Supreme Commander. They range from 10 to 12,5-13 thousand dead. Yes, we have more losses due to injuries

Podolyak said.

Earlier, another adviser to Zelensky’s office, by the name of Arestovich, also spoke in the same vein, saying that the number of losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine cannot exceed 10 thousand people. Moreover, these figures were not believed even in Ukraine, because the pictures of numerous cemeteries with buried dryers tell a completely different story, and despite the fact that most of the dead remain in their positions, since the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine simply does not collect them in order to write them down as "missing ", for which you can receive a salary for another three months.

According to the calculations of the Russian side, the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine "two hundred" and "three hundred" amount to more than one hundred thousand, these figures were given by the Ministry of Defense in September. Taking into account the huge losses of the Ukrainian army, today they are much higher.
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 2 December 2022 06: 50
    +16
    As stated Podlak, the estimates of Ukraine's losses given in Europe are "erroneous", in fact, the Armed Forces of Ukraine actually lost from 10 to 13 thousand people, and most of them were out of order as a result of injuries and will soon return to duty.
    He's rubbing his ears.
    r.s. And I also like the typo in the writing of the article, in the name of the applicant. I will not even ask the site administration to fix the error. It suits him better.
    1. dmi.pris1
      dmi.pris1 2 December 2022 07: 12
      -1
      He said what the commanding clown ordered.
    2. alekseykabanets
      alekseykabanets 2 December 2022 07: 21
      -11
      Quote: aszzz888
      He's rubbing his ears.

      I don't understand your outrage. Let the losses of Ukraine confirmed by the European Union amount to 100 people, on September 000, 21, Shoigu announced the losses of the Russian army (as I understand it, together with the LDNR), at 2022 people. Then, 5937 / 100 = 000. In total, almost 5937 servicemen of Ukraine go out for one dead Russian serviceman. Of course, I believe Sergei Kuzhugetovich (I can’t help but believe, the laws do not allow it). However, it is difficult for me to find a comparable military conflict in history with such a ratio of the number of losses.)))))
      Quote: aszzz888
      estimates of Ukraine's losses given in Europe are "erroneous", in fact, the Armed Forces of Ukraine actually lost from 10 to 13 thousand people,

      So, the figure voiced by Podolyaka is somewhere near the numbers voiced by the Moscow Region and the ratio of losses then does not seem fantastic. It turns out that since we believe one, we have to believe the other, such a squiggle turns out.))))))
      1. Evgeny-
        Evgeny- 2 December 2022 07: 39
        -2
        Battle in Mogadishu. (Based on the events filmed "Black Hawk Down"). American comrades lost 27 people killed. The Somali National Alliance according to its data from 315 to 500 killed. According to the US, Somalis lost more than 1500 - 2000 (i.e. more than 55 times more) killed.
        1. alekseykabanets
          alekseykabanets 2 December 2022 07: 44
          -3
          Quote: Eugene-
          Battle in Mogadishu. (Based on the events filmed "Black Hawk Down"). American comrades lost 27 people killed. The Somali National Alliance according to its data from 315 to 500 killed. According to the US, the Somali lost more than 1500 (i.e. more than 55 times more) killed.

          Made me laugh, thanks! You still battle the British with the Zulus, as an example, give.))))) And I watched "Black Hawk Down", does the Somali National Alliance remind you of the Armed Forces of Ukraine? I mean weapons, supplies, etc. etc.
          1. Petr_Koldunov
            Petr_Koldunov 2 December 2022 20: 57
            +2
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            Does the Somali National Alliance remind you of the Armed Forces of Ukraine? I mean weapons, supplies, etc. etc.

            Until in mid-April they got really serious weapons and logistics - they reminded :))
            You understand, probably, that no Armed Forces of Ukraine by themselves are at war with us. By themselves, they are long gone. But then the NATO owners of the Ukroreich took this APU, put it on their hands - and fight with us, waving this hand, with the APU put on it.
        2. Rustic
          Rustic 2 December 2022 12: 10
          +7
          According to the US, the Somali lost more than 1500 - 2000 (i.e. more than 55 times more) killed.
          In total, it is 1 to 55. Then remember the valiant operation "Cortege". Where the losses of the United States were 333 to 0. That is, the Japanese not only did not lose a single fighter, they were not even there at all.
      2. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 2 December 2022 07: 46
        +4
        And the losses (ratio) in Afghanistan or Vietnam and Korea?
        1. alekseykabanets
          alekseykabanets 2 December 2022 07: 57
          -2
          Quote: Zaurbek
          And the losses (ratio) in Afghanistan or Vietnam and Korea?

          And that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are equipped like the Mujahideen in Afghanistan? There is no need to "sculpt hunchbacked" here, in terms of armament and strength of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the Armed Forces of Ukraine, these are two quite comparable military groups.
      3. Evil543
        Evil543 2 December 2022 08: 07
        +3
        Real losses can only be estimated from graves in cemeteries
        1. alekseykabanets
          alekseykabanets 2 December 2022 08: 49
          -1
          Quote: Evil543
          Real losses can only be estimated from graves in cemeteries

          Well, yes, according to the documents. After how much time did the USSR calculate the losses from the Second World War?
          1. Evil543
            Evil543 2 December 2022 09: 09
            +2
            So far, there are much more videos from Ukrainian cemeteries
            1. alekseykabanets
              alekseykabanets 2 December 2022 10: 17
              -1
              Quote: Evil543
              So far, there are much more videos from Ukrainian cemeteries

              I'm not used to operating with abstract categories, such as more or less. Official documents will be published, we will look at them, and so ...
      4. Vladimir Mikhalev
        Vladimir Mikhalev 2 December 2022 08: 27
        -4
        The figures of Mr. Podolyakov for our losses are approximately the same.
        Do you believe this number too? For example, I get the impression that they are confusing the parties for which they are fighting. That's bad math.
        1. alekseykabanets
          alekseykabanets 2 December 2022 08: 44
          -5
          Quote: Vladimir Mikhalev
          Do you believe this number too?

          Well, firstly, about faith - this is in religious organizations, they are in charge of faith. Secondly, I would like to remind you that adult educated people use the pronoun "you" when talking to each other.
          Quote: Vladimir Mikhalev
          For example, I get the impression that they are confusing the parties for which they are fighting. That's bad math.

          They are who? Where is the problem with math? Did you find an error in my simple calculations? Numbers, this is such an interesting thing that can only be refuted by other numbers.))))
          Found a bug, please point it out to me
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          Let the losses of Ukraine confirmed by the European Union amount to 100 people, on September 000, 21, Shoigu announced the losses of the Russian army (as I understand it, together with the LDNR), at 2022 people. Then, 5937 / 100 = 000. In total, almost 5937 servicemen of Ukraine go out for one dead Russian serviceman.

          A task for the second grade of high school.)))))
          PS And yes, your picture falls under the article about fakes on the RF Armed Forces.)))))
          1. Vladimir Mikhalev
            Vladimir Mikhalev 2 December 2022 09: 00
            0
            At the expense of faith, faith is present not only in religious organizations. If our soldiers did not have faith that they are doing the right thing, they would not have fought. Without faith, 100 thousand people went abroad. Those agree without faith. At the expense of you, you, you (three different words for me.) on you, these are those whom I respect a lot, on you, like a shit like state, on you, to the rest of whom I have nothing to do with. I’m talking to the director like you, well, firstly, I’m older, and secondly, I don’t rank it among the other categories. Today I have never had a director younger than 40. Despite the age, everyone else is called simply Vova. Even partners from other enterprises. At the expense of losses, just figure out 1 to 7. Let's just say the grandmother whispered in her ear. We have better art and the Air Force is working.
            1. alekseykabanets
              alekseykabanets 2 December 2022 09: 21
              -3
              Quote: Vladimir Mikhalev
              If our soldiers did not have faith that they are doing the right thing, they would not have fought.

              Our soldiers in WWII had knowledgethat they are fighting for the gains of Socialism, such as free education, medical care, an eight-hour working day, etc. etc. And they knewthat Nazi Germany will take it all away and reduce them to the state of slaves.
              Quote: Vladimir Mikhalev
              Without faith, 100 thousand people went abroad.

              This is not "without faith", but without the desire to fight for the interests of the state, which, in their opinion, does not protect their interests.
              Quote: Vladimir Mikhalev
              on you like shit like a state,

              Here, on the site, the address "you" is accepted, and "you" to acquaintances and "You" to those to whom they have great respect.
              Quote: Vladimir Mikhalev
              At the expense of losses, just figure out 1 to 7. Let's just say the grandmother whispered in her ear. We have better art and the Air Force is working.

              Well, I can’t comment on the grandmother? Read about the ratio of the losses of the Red Army and the German army in 1941-42, to Stalingrad, and then figure out where the Germans went with this ratio.
              1. Vladimir Mikhalev
                Vladimir Mikhalev 2 December 2022 09: 35
                +1
                Everything went through socialism. And so in life the bad is forgotten, the good remains. Well, if you breathe hate on the contrary. At the expense of the grandmother, people listen, the grandmother does not lie. Once the grandmother lied in 14, the militias repulsed a major offensive from Mariupol. And so Strelkov assured, "a big offensive from this direction was not possible."
            2. Zakirov Damir
              Zakirov Damir 2 December 2022 20: 03
              +2
              Quote: Vladimir Mikhalev
              At the expense of you, you, you (for me, three different words.). On you, these are those whom I respect a lot, on you, like shit, such a state, on you, to the rest of whom I have nothing to do with.

              It should have been on you - in relation to him I would not be mistaken!
        2. skeptick2
          skeptick2 2 December 2022 10: 40
          -3
          Quote: Vladimir Mikhalev
          For example, I get the impression that they are confusing the parties for which they are fighting. That's bad math

          And with you and Shoigu with mathematics, therefore, everything is in order?
          Okay, let's take it as the truth. Then two questions immediately arise.
          1. Why are Russian troops retreating today with such colossal losses for the Armed Forces of Ukraine and such meager losses for the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation? Microscopic advances to Bakhmut can be neglected, they are too insignificant.
          2. What advantage in the air and in artillery must one have in order to reduce the classic loss ratio of 1/3 to 1/17? Given that in some sectors of the front, thanks to Western supplies, in 9 months, if not parity in cannon artillery and MLRS, then an indicator close to parity was achieved? Despite the fact that for some reason our attack aviation does not demonstrate much success, and the bomber aviation prefers to work outside Ukraine mainly on the infrastructure of cities?
          1. Vladimir Mikhalev
            Vladimir Mikhalev 2 December 2022 10: 51
            0
            To date, none of the parties gives the correct figure. The numbers will be after the war. They retreat to the count. There is a concept of quantity. So the numbers are not in our favor. And notice 1/17 of such a figure, for example, I did not name. For example, I'm more interested in the figure of the enemy's manpower than the dead. At the expense of 100000 thousand, I will even tell you where it came from. A paper signed by the ministry appeared on the net. It was from this paper that von der Lyalka took the figure. For example, I have no way to determine the authenticity of the document, since the photo distorts the proportions and changes, one might say, the handwriting. But the photo is walking, everyone is considering this paper.
            1. skeptick2
              skeptick2 2 December 2022 11: 16
              -2
              Quote: Vladimir Mikhalev
              And notice 1/17 of such a figure, for example, I did not name.

              I agree. In this case, ignorance of mathematics will be attributed to Shoigu alone.
              But there is no escape from the ratio. More precisely, from his crazy numbers. Think about it: what is the ratio in general?
              It is the ratio of one number to another. And if one figure is known (let it be fake, albeit unreliable, but it is in ukroSMI published), then there is no second at all. What and where did our media publish data on Russian losses after the figure of 5937 people announced by Shoigu in September? I don't remember that. Thus, one can not talk about the ratio of losses at all, because there is no starting point, there is nothing to start from. That's what I wanted to say.
              As for the announced losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, this figure can be accepted or not accepted. One should not only forget that nowhere is such a lie as in war. And, on both sides.
              1. Nyrobsky
                Nyrobsky 2 December 2022 18: 51
                0
                Quote from: skeptick2
                I agree. In this case, ignorance of mathematics will be attributed to Shoigu alone.

                Why only Shoigu? In principle, you can also put a deuce for inattention. Between the words of Shoigu (let's say September 1) and the words of Vonderlein (December 1), three more months of hostilities neatly fit - September, October and November.
                The hedgehog understands that dividing the December figure by the September one will show a ratio that does not correspond to reality. The conditions of the problem are not initially correct, and therefore the result of the solution does not match the texture.
                Vasya had 3 apples, Petya had 2 apples, and Seryozhka had half a glass of salt in his ass. The question is, how many cartridges with salt did the guard of the collective farm garden have left?
      5. Alemax
        Alemax 2 December 2022 10: 59
        0
        Pretty fair logic. One "but"! This is, for the most part, a non-contact war. Where reconnaissance and artillery play a much larger role than the classic methods of warfare, for which a 1: 3 ratio is true. In this situation, local losses can have a ratio of 1 to 20 quite well. But the figure of 100 thousand or so has already been voiced. And repeatedly from military experts. There were figures in 200 thousand total losses. There is only one question - the figure of irretrievable losses has not been specified anywhere and has not been analyzed.
      6. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 2 December 2022 13: 00
        +1
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        Let the losses of Ukraine confirmed by the European Union amount to 100 people, On September 21, 2022, Shoigu announced the losses of the Russian army (as I understand it, together with the LDNR), at 5937 people.
        You do not understand. Shoigu announced only the losses of the RF Ministry of Defense without taking into account the losses of the LDNR. Probably after the results of the referendum they were included in Russia, their losses are taken into account together with ours.
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        Of course, I believe Sergei Kuzhugetovich (I can’t help but believe, the laws do not allow it). Then, 100 / 000 = 5937. In total, almost 16,8435236652 servicemen of Ukraine go out for one dead Russian serviceman. However, it is difficult for me to find a comparable military conflict in history with such a ratio of the number of losses.)))))
        Again, you are incorrect. You take the value of 100 announced on December 1st, and divide by the value announced by Shoigu on September 21st. Does anything bother you in your calculations?
        As for the optimistic speeches of Podlyaka, for example, according to some estimates, the Mariupol Ukrainian garrison ranged from 15 to 18 thousand troops. 3 thousand surrendered, and therefore only in Mariupol with Azovstal their losses amounted to at least 12-15 thousand. Did they not fight at all after Mariupol?
        1. alekseykabanets
          alekseykabanets 2 December 2022 17: 00
          -1
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          You do not understand. Shoigu announced only the losses of the RF Ministry of Defense without taking into account the losses of the LDNR.

          Okay, Dmitry, let's add another 6 thousand losses, (LDNR + another month of hostilities). Today, the Great Patriotic War is best described, let's try to compare it with it. With a loss ratio of 4 to 8 to one (according to various estimates), the German army advanced rapidly in 1941-42, and in 1944-45 the same ratio was in favor of the Red Army, and it was already advancing rapidly. Here, none of the opponents made much progress anywhere, there were no bright military operations, even of the Debaltsevo type. Therefore, I am extremely cautious about Ukrainian losses of 100-200 thousand, while our losses are 10-15 times less. Unfortunately, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation did not and do not have an overwhelming superiority over the Armed Forces of Ukraine, despite our bravura statements a year ago.
      7. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 2 December 2022 14: 17
        0
        The conflict in Karabakh, where the attackers also had a total advantage in aviation and artillery.
        1. alekseykabanets
          alekseykabanets 2 December 2022 17: 01
          -2
          Quote: Incvizitor
          The conflict in Karabakh, where the attackers also had a total advantage in aviation and artillery.

          Are you looking at Azerbaijani sources?
      8. shikin
        shikin 2 December 2022 14: 44
        -1
        The loss ratio is something in the middle. In the same Afghanistan, the losses of the SA amounted to more than 16 thousand, and the Afghans - more than 1 million. True, how many Mujahideen and how many DRA fighters are a question.
        And in the same WWII in 44-45, mainly in offensive battles, the losses were by no means 1:3. Sometimes even after art. and air processing of the leading edge, almost without a fight, occupied 2-3 lines of positions.
  2. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 2 December 2022 06: 53
    +3
    ",
    in fact, the APU actually lost from 10 to 13 thousand people

    In a storyteller ... it’s not for nothing that the Ukronatsiks closed all the data on morgues and hospitals and forbade taking pictures of them.
    In the fields and forests there are still a lot of unharvested Ukronatsiks ... after the war, mushroom pickers will still find a lot of mushrooms and skeletons. what
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 2 December 2022 06: 57
      +1
      Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. (Lech from Android)
      Today, 06: 53
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      0
      ",
      in fact, the APU actually lost from 10 to 13 thousand people

      In a storyteller ... it’s not for nothing that the Ukronatsiks closed all the data on morgues and hospitals and forbade taking pictures of them.
      In the fields and forests there are still a lot of unharvested Ukronatsiks ... after the war, mushroom pickers will still find a lot of mushrooms and skeletons. what
      can he convince himself?
      1. YOUR
        YOUR 2 December 2022 07: 03
        +2
        He has such a position if it concerns Russia, add losses, as Aristovich said, I just add zero to the official figures of the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense, if it concerns Ukraine's losses, then the zeros are removed.
  3. Vladimir Sedov
    Vladimir Sedov 2 December 2022 06: 59
    +3
    In any Ukrainian village, not to mention cities, all the cemeteries have been around for many months, full of tens of thousands of black rags. It is interesting that this clown will open his eyes someday.
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  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 2 December 2022 07: 00
    +4
    in fact, the Armed Forces of Ukraine actually lost from 10 to 13 thousand people, and most of them were out of action as a result of injuries and will soon return to duty.
    This does not even need to be taught to lie without blushing, tk. he mastered this science perfectly and consolidated it in practice. Interestingly, at one time they themselves admitted that their losses were from 200 to 500 killed per day, and suddenly such a modest final figure. Even if Ursula, deeply and sincerely "loving" Ukraine, announced the figure of 100 thousand (naturally reducing the real one), then what is there to talk about.
  5. Egeny
    Egeny 2 December 2022 07: 02
    +2
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    To the storyteller...

    Ours are also dying, unfortunately.
    1. Al manah
      Al manah 2 December 2022 07: 06
      -1
      Well, according to their official data, we should have given up a long time ago:
  6. 2112vda
    2112vda 2 December 2022 07: 02
    +2
    Yes, everything is rightly said in the top of Ukraine, their losses are really in the region of 10 thousand, although these are Galicians. They do not consider the inhabitants of the center and east of Ukraine to be people, and who cares about the loss of "working cattle".
  7. Stas157
    Stas157 2 December 2022 07: 03
    +2
    . Ursula von der Leyen, voiced by the head of the European Commission, figures of Ukraine's losses of 100 troops wrong

    Does it make sense for her to lie in a big way?
  8. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 2 December 2022 07: 18
    +1

    Yeah. what there are plenty of them ... and this is only in one cemetery.
    1. Poplar
      Poplar 3 December 2022 13: 35
      0
      The first half of the video is clearly drawn. The monuments are all the same and expensive, it turns out like at the expense of the state. I strongly doubt it. Flags flutter in the wind, and not a single flower on the grave moves. The second cemetery seems to be true.
      1. leks
        leks 3 December 2022 21: 37
        0
        Flags flutter in the wind, and not a single flower on the grave moves.

        Might be worth watching the video. There you can see how the flowers sway in the wind.
        1. Poplar
          Poplar 4 December 2022 13: 24
          0
          Yes, some wiggle a little. But still, it seems to me that with such a wind, flowers should spread along the ground. Although, I actually wrote not about flowers, but about a drawn video. I do not believe that somewhere there are similar cemeteries with monotonous monuments made of granite and marble. Even in not poor America - modest bricks: for soldiers - smaller, for officers - more in size. And yes: my post is only about the posted video. In my opinion, the loss of dill is more pronounced by this chicken.
      2. Guran33 Sergey
        Guran33 Sergey 4 December 2022 00: 10
        0
        each, in my opinion, the fourth flag in the expensive cemetery is equally torn ... On the second one, it’s smarter, the background is retouched there. And the losses voiced by the gynecologist are quite real .. Kiev is silent about the southern group of troops destroyed during the offensive (the steppe and the vast majority of artillery of the RF Armed Forces) and this is within 40,000 irrevocable, leaving Kherson, our command reduced the front line by 40 - 100 km (did not find an adequate map with the location of the front line, therefore, the run) and the group advancing there has not yet shown itself anywhere. And reinforcements from near Kyiv are coming near Artyomovsk .. But also, a lot of dryers were crumbled near Kharkov, and the "eastern rampart" has been pushed through near Donetsk since August, art has not ceased
  9. evgen1221
    evgen1221 2 December 2022 07: 28
    0
    I believe in you, of course, how can there be any doubt.
  10. rocket757
    rocket757 2 December 2022 07: 30
    0
    An adviser to Zelensky's office called the "real" losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine since the start of hostilities in Ukraine
    You can’t say about such people “who once lied, who will believe you” ... although, what does it change ??? don't the skakuases see how many of their "collections" are simply gone, AT ALL ... or can they think that they just sailed off to where life is smeared with honey?
    This is unlikely ... in their publics it is not uncommon when those who are on the front line admit that they are kirdyk and ... not everyone screeches, panics, many take it as ... there.
    Those. everything is more complex, more diverse, and everyone should be aware of this.
    By the way, there in the fields, they don’t believe their commanders, politicians, top, propaganda and d istam just like they do in many other places.
    By the way ... and here, too, much is worth paying attention to .... although the overall picture is different.
  11. Uprun
    Uprun 2 December 2022 07: 40
    +1
    Who is supposed to (in the General Staff of the RF Ministry of Defense and the Pentagon) know the real numbers, and everything else is blah blah blah.
  12. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 2 December 2022 07: 52
    +1
    How long is the 404x offensive going on continuously? Month 3? They attack and retreat without capturing... Day after day. Losses per day 200-500 people. 200x90 days = 18000 people You can also calculate the losses of armored vehicles .... According to WWII statistics - 1 destroyed tank - 1 dead tanker. And also an armored personnel carrier and a beep and all sorts of armored cars (have you seen a Ukrainian-made armored car for a long time?)
  13. sgr291158
    sgr291158 2 December 2022 09: 22
    +1
    10-13 thousand is probably a month, or maybe a week.
  14. APASUS
    APASUS 2 December 2022 09: 50
    +3
    I completely believe, I just didn’t name the missing. And they just might be under 90 000
  15. NAF-NAF
    NAF-NAF 2 December 2022 10: 40
    +2
    As Podolyak said ... in fact, the Armed Forces of Ukraine really lost from 10 to 13 thousand person, and most are out of action as a result of injuries and will soon return to duty.


    "... we have the official estimates of the General Staff, which are voiced by the Supreme Commander. They range from 10 to 12,5-13 thousand dead" (Podolyak)


    Something is not entirely clear: this is out of 10-13 thousand. the dead the majority should get back on track soon?? belay
  16. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 2 December 2022 11: 45
    +1
    in fact, the Armed Forces of Ukraine actually lost from 10 to 13 thousand people, and most of them were out of action as a result of injuries and will soon return to duty.

    Podolyak said 10-13 thousand dead and many wounded, and this is only the Armed Forces of Ukraine. This is probably killed only on the battlefield and from the impact of the enemy. Then there are those who died without the impact of the enemy (catastrophes, illnesses, and so on) - about 3-4 thousand. There are missing people. Of these, about 7-8 thousand are in captivity and the rest - at least another 2-3 thousand of the dead.
    "Many wounded" is about 5 wounded for one dead, or at least 65 thousand wounded, of which there will also be 2-3 thousand dead. And so we come to more than 20 thousand dead and more than 60 thousand to be cured, and this is only the loss of the APU.
    The National Guard, the defense forces, border guards, foreigners and so on also have considerable losses. Most of the so-called "civilians" who died are the defense and the like. They also have the wounded and the sick. And so we are gradually approaching the figure of more than 100 thousand dead, wounded and sick, prisoners, which was indicated by the Pentagon, and then repeated by the UfL. This is the minimum loss of power structures of the Kyiv regime.
    And what Podolyak said does not contradict, but rather confirms the Pentagon's assessments. Although they are too low in my opinion.
  17. alexleony
    alexleony 2 December 2022 12: 20
    0
    Quote: Vladimir Sedov
    In any Ukrainian village, not to mention cities, all the cemeteries have been around for many months, full of tens of thousands of black rags. It is interesting that this clown will open his eyes someday.

    It’s already unraveled. It’s now forbidden to put flags on the graves so that the eyes are not an eyesore and morale is not undermined.
  18. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 2 December 2022 14: 15
    0
    This count of Russia is 100k according to the names of the photo documents, not counting the constant arrivals of 404, not counting those who cannot be identified, but there are a lot of them, not counting those who were immediately buried, and even those corpses who simply do not pay attention to.
  19. perun1988
    perun1988 2 December 2022 14: 45
    0
    "Moreover, most of them were out of order as a result of injuries and will soon return to duty" - yes, Podolyak is a necromancer! am
  20. polynet
    polynet 2 December 2022 15: 00
    0
    Quote: Vladimir Mikhalev
    The figures of Mr. Podolyakov for our losses are approximately the same.
    Do you believe this number too? For example, I get the impression that they are confusing the parties for which they are fighting. That's bad math.

    According to the Mir Mikhail Onufrienko telegram channel, taken from OSINT (Open Source Intelligence) data, the total losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine during the Ukrainian conflict are about 400 thousand military personnel and foreign mercenaries.


    So, on October 20, the irretrievable losses of the Ukrainian armed forces approached 402 thousand people, of which 387 thousand were killed. Mercenaries and volunteers from Poland, Romania, the Baltic countries and other states in Ukraine killed 31 people, their total losses amounted to 240 thousand. The information was obtained using extracts from mortuaries, documents from funeral homes and information from the exchange of data between various units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

    In addition, on the eve of the Committee of Soldiers' Mothers of Ukraine demanded to clarify the fate of 320 thousand military personnel, but the SBU refused for reasons of national security. At the same time, these data are not documented.

    At the same time, Western sources also report heavy losses of pro-Kiev forces. The former deputy head of the European Command of the United States, Stephen Twitty, in an interview with the Linke Zeitung newspaper noted that about 200 thousand military personnel were missing in the Armed Forces of Ukraine and no one knows about their whereabouts.
  21. polynet
    polynet 2 December 2022 15: 00
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    I completely believe, I just didn’t name the missing. And they just might be under 90 000

    According to the Mir Mikhail Onufrienko telegram channel, taken from OSINT (Open Source Intelligence) data, the total losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine during the Ukrainian conflict are about 400 thousand military personnel and foreign mercenaries.

    So, on October 20, the irretrievable losses of the Ukrainian armed forces approached 402 thousand people, of which 387 thousand were killed. Mercenaries and volunteers from Poland, Romania, the Baltic countries and other states in Ukraine killed 31 people, their total losses amounted to 240 thousand. The information was obtained using extracts from mortuaries, documents from funeral homes and information from the exchange of data between various units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

    In addition, on the eve of the Committee of Soldiers' Mothers of Ukraine demanded to clarify the fate of 320 thousand military personnel, but the SBU refused for reasons of national security. At the same time, these data are not documented.

    At the same time, Western sources also report heavy losses of pro-Kiev forces. The former deputy head of the European Command of the United States, Stephen Twitty, in an interview with the Linke Zeitung newspaper noted that about 200 thousand military personnel were missing in the Armed Forces of Ukraine and no one knows about their whereabouts.
  22. iouris
    iouris 2 December 2022 16: 11
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    Do you really believe that "real" information can come from the side of the "office" (purely hypothetically)?
  23. kubkaz13
    kubkaz13 2 December 2022 17: 38
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    The Nazis in the Great Patriotic War from the end of the 44th ceased to keep records of their losses. Interestingly, did this evil spirit keep such records at all, or do they count only foreign mercenaries and regular NATO members?
  24. antiput
    antiput 2 December 2022 17: 42
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    Well, yes, yes ... We have 6, they have 10, everything is fine.
  25. EFIM LYUBIN
    EFIM LYUBIN 2 December 2022 17: 44
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    The command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine does not lie about its losses in personnel killed. They only consider those buried according to the documents of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to be killed. All those who are not buried are considered alive, even if they were killed at the end of February. Such arithmetic in ukroreyhe!
  26. cat hippopotamus
    cat hippopotamus 2 December 2022 21: 27
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    The entire Kyiv elite has already lied so that their own people no longer perceive them. Especially if you listen to the storyteller Orestovich, and the rest just lie as they breathe, this is their way of life. I believe that even 100 thousand is far from a complete figure, because it is necessary to pay compensation to the widows or relatives of the deceased. It's easier to leave the corpse in the field and not consider it dead, which is what happens in droves.
  27. Fangaro
    Fangaro 2 December 2022 23: 11
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    The dispute between the fuses of the office of the president of the UNR and the EC and the EU is starting to drag on...
    Mykhailo Podolyak declares that the EC is mistaken. The EC refuses to apologize.
    The dispute turns into the format, "who studied at school", or "where the account was invented before."
    The dead, no matter how many of them turned out to be - grief for relatives.
    The grief of the enemies is not sweeter than ours.
    About the number of losses ... No one will tell the truth about this for many years. Neither we nor the Armed Forces.
    Not because it’s impossible now, but because it’s not even us, or the Ukrainians use it.
    This can be used by those who sent a Slav to a Slav, and rub their hands. (