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Why Russia cannot defeat Ukraine from the air in the same way as the US did in Iraq and Yugoslavia

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Why Russia cannot defeat Ukraine from the air in the same way as the US did in Iraq and Yugoslavia

As a result of the Russian special operation in Ukraine, the dominance of artillery on the battlefield as the main means of defeating the enemy is clearly visible. In this regard, the question arises, why is this happening? Why Russian aviation does not dominate the battlefield? Why can't we do the same with Ukraine as the US/NATO did with Iraq and Yugoslavia?


The US/NATO invasion of Iraq and the barbaric bombardments of Yugoslavia really looked impressive, and contrary to the opinion of the “jingos” (and there were already then), they ended in a complete and unconditional victory for the aggressor.

"Desert Storm"


If we talk about Iraq, what is the reason? The strength of the US Air Force (Air Force) or the weakness of the Iraqi Armed Forces?

Obviously, in both, and most importantly, in the huge technological gap between the Iraqi Armed Forces and the US Armed Forces. Undoubtedly, the combined power of the US Air Force / NATO was an order of magnitude, or even two, higher than the combined capabilities of the Air Force and air defense (Air Defense) of Iraq.

In addition, the factor of betrayal could play a huge role here.

Firstly, according to some (unconfirmed) reports, the young democratic Russia then transferred to the United States the frequencies of the radar stations (RLS) of the Iraqi air defense, which allowed the electronic warfare (EW) of the US Air Force to ensure their effective jamming and suppression of anti-radar missiles, which even the air defense of Iraq theoretically, it could not intercept in order to protect its radars and anti-aircraft missile systems (SAM).

Secondly, "there is no such fortress that a donkey laden with gold would not take." Again, according to unconfirmed information, the Iraqi army was merged by its own generals for a solid "jackpot". It is unlikely that this will be verified and confirmed, but does anyone have doubts that such a scenario is quite likely?

And all this took place on an ideal terrain for Air Force operations, without mountain ranges and dense forest plantations.

Thus, in Iraq, the US Armed Forces were dealing with an outdated and disorganized armed forces, doomed in advance "to be slaughtered" by their own command, but even in this case, the US spent a lot of resources to achieve a positive result. turn out weapon Iraq is a little more modern, if their Armed Forces were a little more trained and professional, and most importantly, if the USSR / Russia helped them in the same way as the United States is now supporting Ukraine, and everything could have ended completely differently.

"Allied Force"


The barbaric bombing of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (FRY), primarily Serbian cities, clearly showed the misanthropic nature of the Western countries, led by the United States and Great Britain. When they say about a special operation that Russia allegedly unleashed a full-scale war in Europe on the territory of Ukraine, then for some reason they bashfully forget about the crimes of NATO in Yugoslavia, and this applies not only to our obvious enemies - they are supposed to be by status, but also to the domestic slop- liberal stratum.

It would seem that on the side of the Serbs, the terrain is not a bare desert, as in Iraq, mountains, forests - all this should have significantly complicated the work of the US Air Force. Yes, and Russia, albeit a little, but changed, and no longer supported the actions of the United States.

On the other hand, the Serbs did not receive any assistance from Russia or received very little, because at that time we were extremely weak both politically and from a military point of view. And the technical level of the Yugoslav Armed Forces was not far from the Iraqi ones, and perhaps even inferior in terms of the number of weapons and military equipment.


The remains of an inconspicuous tactical bomber F-117A, shot down by the air defense of the FRY. Image by wikipedia.org

But most importantly, in Yugoslavia, the United States used a completely different tactic: instead of destroying the Serbian armed forces, they focused their efforts on attacks on civilian infrastructure, that is, in 1999 they did what Russia is now accused of, despite the fact that there is no threat to either the United States or countries Europe didn't exist. By the way, for the first time German pilots, descendants of the Nazis who were not killed in the USSR, again bombed a European country - they again felt the taste of Slavic blood.

Thus, even taking into account the significant quantitative and qualitative superiority of the US and NATO forces, they won a victory in Yugoslavia only due to the destruction of civilian infrastructure. It can be assumed that if the United States had initially decided to limit itself only to military facilities, then the Allied Force operation would have dragged on for many years and would have required the entry of US/NATO ground forces with all the losses in equipment and manpower due in such cases.


Clockwise from top - destroyed by NATO bombings: the building of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the FRY, the bridge in Ostrujnica, the building of Radio and Television of Serbia, the building of the Ministry of Defense of the FRY. Image by wikipedia.org

Special Military Operation (SVO)


With Russian dominance in the air over the territory of Ukraine, everything is complicated. Worst of all, so far there are no signs of improvement in the situation, just the other day (01.12.2022/25/29) information appeared about the flight of two Ukrainian Su-XNUMX attack aircraft and one MiG-XNUMX fighter, presumably in the Artyomovsk direction. There is no information about the actions of the Russian Air Force in the depths of the territory of Ukraine. Apparently, a certain parity has formed - the aviation of both sides is working in the area of ​​​​the front line and no further.

But is this a consequence of the weakness of the Russian Air Force?

The Russian special operation began with a ground-air invasion, the infrastructure of Ukraine, even the military, was practically not destroyed - such cases were isolated. Moreover, the campaigns to destroy the fuel infrastructure that had begun were somehow quickly interrupted and subsided, as if they had never existed.

Meanwhile, Western accomplices of Ukronazism did not sit idly by. Apparently, the remnants of Ukrainian air defense systems were restored, supplemented by the supply of Soviet weapons from Eastern Europe (and not only), and now Western ones. And all this was integrated into a single information network with the means of intelligence, combat planning and control of the Western countries.

Thus, in order to radically reduce the effectiveness of Ukrainian air defense, it is necessary to “land” American strategic unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) and early warning aircraft (AWACS) hovering over Poland, Romania and the Black Sea, to suppress ground-based radar stations in Eastern Europe, and possibly , as American intelligence, command and communications satellites. Only then will the Russian Air Force be able to calmly suppress Ukrainian air defense without fear of getting an anti-aircraft guided missile (SAM) in the back.

Otherwise, it turns out that the Ukrainian Air Force has information support that is invulnerable to strikes, which significantly increases the effectiveness of their actions, which in many respects neutralizes the superiority of the Russian Air Force in the number and quality of combat vehicles.

Speaking in hindsight, the NWO itself, according to the author, was conceptually built incorrectly from the very beginning. A ground invasion in the existing conditions is obviously a big problem, it was time to see this on the example of the United States in Vietnam, the USSR in Afghanistan and Russia in Chechnya.

Based on the foregoing, the NMD scenario should have been based and developed on the basis of one (albeit extended in time) massive strike. Without prior concentration of forces. Without statements by the President and other things. As an occasion - the day of independence of Ukraine, with the presentation of awards to the next Nazis, the shelling or attack of Donbass, or, for example, a complete ban on the Russian language. But one can talk about the reasons only after the start of the conflict and with the simultaneous presentation of an ultimatum on unconditional surrender.

Alternate history of NWO


No threatened period, no concentration of Russian troops on the border and, as a result, no warnings from Western countries.

In the first three days - one, two or three thousand launches of cruise missiles. The ships fire Caliber from the pier, reload, fire again, and again, and more... Strategic aviation aircraft take off, fire ammunition from maximum range, return to airfields, receive ammunition and target coordinates, take off again. Daggers, Iskanders and Bastions are working on especially important targets. From the territory of Belarus, on areal targets, operational-tactical missile systems (OTRK) "Tochka-U" strike. One or two thousand "Geraniums" (purchased in advance) fill the sky over Ukraine with a characteristic rattling. Then comes the turn of tactical aviation, finishing off the rest of the targets.

Exotic means of destruction are used, such as intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) with a conventional warhead и projectiles converted from old cars - kamikaze UAVs carrying tens of tons of explosives.

What serves as goals?

The priority is government buildings, of course, with contents, the buildings of the Ministry of Defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU), the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) - it is necessary to decapitate civilian and military structures, special services. They are followed by TV towers, cellular communication switches, telephone exchanges, military communications centers. By the end of the first day, Ukraine is blind, deaf and decapitated - no television, no internet, no telephone.

This is followed by a speech by the president, an ultimatum is put forward for complete and unconditional surrender. Western countries receive a warning about the inadmissibility of any interference, any aggressive actions against the Russian population or culture, against any arrests and blocking of funds and property of residents of the Russian Federation. In case of non-compliance - the threat of a preemptive strike, including with the use of tactical nuclear weapons (TNW), against US and NATO bases, first against those located in the countries of Eastern Europe, and then in the countries of Western Europe.

This is confirmed by the clear activation of the RF Armed Forces in the area of ​​TNW depots, which is clearly visible to intelligence satellites of Western countries. Countries with US nuclear weapons (NW) located on their territories are warned that if any activity is detected, a nuclear strike will be launched without delay and without warning.

The second day - strikes on military registration and enlistment offices - mobilization is completely disrupted, strikes on power supply systems, fuel lines and hubs, railway junctions. Electronic intelligence equipment and aircraft with anti-radar missiles hunt for any source of radar radiation. By the end of the second day, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are losing the ability to organize conscription in the largest cities and agglomerations, there is no electricity in most of Ukraine, and fuel reserves are rapidly dwindling. Most of the rail traffic has been interrupted.

Third day. And Ukraine does not capitulate by the end of the second? Without information, communication and light, without sane management and prospects? Now, in our current reality, what is called “a frog in boiling water” is happening - this is when living conditions worsen gradually, and people get used to them. And when, within a few days, citizens of Ukraine from the XNUMXst get into the XNUMXth century, the effect will be completely different...

Well, let's say no - Ukraine did not capitulate. On the third day, the maximum number of bridges, primarily railway bridges, is destroyed, the destruction of railway junctions, electrical networks and cellular networks continues, and the hunt for the remains of disparate air defense systems is underway.

Long-range high-precision weapons should have been used only to destroy the transport and energy infrastructure, communications and control systems, and not at all to destroy a dozen or two mercenaries at the Yavorovsky training ground, who were later brought in by many thousands.

After that it wouldn't work anymore. Ukrainian military-industrial complex (MIC), which in real reality continues to work and supply the Armed Forces of Ukraine with weapons and equipment, there would be no or extremely limited arms supplies by Western countries.

After the strikes have begun, it is possible to prepare a ground invasion, but not to climb on the fortifications in the Donbass - why break through them at all? Why not attack from the northwest to cut the Ukraine in half?

And if the strength is not enough to immediately swallow such a piece, then from the northeast, along the Dnieper, cutting off the entire left-bank Ukraine from its western part - in the event of the destruction of bridges turn the Dnieper the Armed Forces of Ukraine would not have had any chances to win it back.

However, we dreamed of something ...

Conclusions


The Russian Air Force was unable to seize dominance and defeat Ukraine from the air, not because of the lack of modern combat and auxiliary aircraft, UAVs and precision-guided munitions, although this factor certainly had an effect, but because the priorities were set incorrectly.

Instead of from the very beginning of the special operation carry out a complete decomposition of UkraineIncluding destruction on the first day of most of its leadership, the RF Armed Forces were drawn into a protracted ground conflict with murky schemes of negotiations and concessions, culminating in partial mobilization with currently unclear prospects.
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  1. nepunamemuk
    nepunamemuk 5 December 2022 04: 46
    +19
    what a creepy story
    but the current one is no better.
    1. Civil
      Civil 5 December 2022 07: 22
      +35
      Such a large-scale and daring plan can only be realized by young and ambitious generals. For example, Zhukov in 1945 was 49 years old, like Rokossovsky, Tolbukhin 51. War is a matter of the young.
      1. dorz
        dorz 5 December 2022 08: 49
        +24
        According to Western friends, the main reason for the failure is logistics at the level of the wars of the 19th century, poor interaction, lack of understanding of the plan at the initial stage of the operation.
        1. Alexfly
          Alexfly 5 December 2022 18: 19
          +24
          Even before the hostilities, EU army analysts spoke of logistical problems as the Achilles heel of supplying troops ... Again, the same Grachevs are sitting in the General Staff with a set of caps instead of conceptual solutions ..
      2. Alexy
        Alexy 7 December 2022 07: 56
        +2
        With the gigantic losses of our soldiers, I would not glorify them at the level of our propaganda.
      3. flyer
        flyer 9 December 2022 14: 37
        0
        Then there was the political will of the leadership and the goal that could not be solved through negotiations, so the generals went to its implementation. Now, the primary goals are abstract, political will, taking into account behind-the-scenes negotiations, does not seem to be will at all.
    2. AAK
      AAK 5 December 2022 11: 49
      +57
      The difference between the plots is the thousands of dead and more than tens of thousands of our wounded soldiers and officers, this is 80% of the previously liberated territories given away and hundreds, if not thousands of destroyed locals who collaborated with us, these are "gestures", "deals" and other "agreements" "...enough to understand?
      1. shikin
        shikin 5 December 2022 15: 39
        -14
        What is the difference between a fictional story and a real one? You can fantasize a lot of things, especially "hindsight". Not a single war went according to plan. And "gestures", "deals" and other "agreements" - this generally has nothing to do with plans and can be with any plan.
        1. Modya
          Modya 5 December 2022 20: 30
          -13
          I will fully support you! The way we are fighting now: mobilization took place, first of all, industry, and then the population; Almost every week, cruise missiles strike, i.e., they began to be mass-produced, the army is solving problems with supply, provision of weapons, reconnaissance equipment - all this indicates significant shifts in the state of the RF Armed Forces. Nothing like it was and could not be at the beginning of the operation! Therefore, the opinion of the author of the article about an alternative scenario is the fantasy of a couch analyst!
          1. Eroma
            Eroma 6 December 2022 10: 23
            +17
            Conceptual planning errors and hatred at the initial stage are on the face! No.
            I am also embarrassed by the use of several Calibers worth tens of millions of rubles each in the barracks, instead of really important goals! And the question is not about money, but as a result of the strike, the combat capability of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was not affected at all by such a strike, and the expensive missiles were spent.
            The main problem of the NWO is the political will, which is clearly lacking
            1. shikin
              shikin 6 December 2022 12: 39
              +2
              Yes, it is now clear that mistakes were made. But if there was a theoretical possibility to solve everything quickly, even if the probability of such an event would be 20 percent - wouldn't it be worth trying? Another question is that, apparently, miscalculations were made at the level of the SVR.
              Surely, during the implementation of the plot proposed above, various unforeseen circumstances and errors would also appear in the course of development. Claiming that there are obviously winning strategies is like claiming victory in chess with the move e2-e4. The opponent is not easy either, and he still has those grandmasters behind him.
              1. Eroma
                Eroma 6 December 2022 13: 40
                +4
                The main mistake: this is the lack of a plan in case the conflict escalates! No. The second echelon of troops was not prepared, it might not have been needed if everything had happened as expected. But everything went wrong, and there were no troops! feel There was no mobilization readiness in case the conflict dragged on. As a result, Russia was not able to quickly stop the enemy's countermeasures! Because no one was preparing for countermeasures, outright hatred fool
                I probably disagree with the author's fantasy, the main problem of Iraq and Yugoslavia is the lack of a strong ally, whose help you can rely on, so capitulation was inevitable! Korea and Vietnam were in exactly the same position, but they were supported by the USSR and they rely on military supplies from the USSR fought for their victory, because they had something to fight! am Ukraine is in the same situation, we can raze everything to the ground there, but as long as weapons come from the west, they will fight. Only total superiority over the Armed Forces of Ukraine will lead to our victory! soldier
                Our blitzkrieg was quite real, we ended up near Kyiv, and blocked it from the West. The available forces were not enough to develop success, so the second echelon, which was not there, would come in handy crying Ukraine announces mobilization, instead of capitulation, we are implementing our mobilization plan. The result is a alignment: Ukraine finds itself with focal defense, without the possibility of transferring troops, the main air defense forces in the zone of destruction of our artillery! And when mobilizing, they call for 200K soldiers, we are 300-400! As a result, by the end of spring for the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the whole world, the futility of resistance is obvious. There was no plan for the current development of events! negative
            2. bayard
              bayard 7 December 2022 07: 04
              +3
              Quote: Eroma
              I am also embarrassed by the use of several Calibers worth tens of millions of rubles each in the barracks, instead of really important goals!

              Let's start with the price. Including "Caliber".
              Where did you get the price of "tens of millions each" from? Even if the export (!) price of "Caliber" a few years ago was indicated in the price list as 650 dollars. ? Export. Taking into account the export tax and included in this cost, the rate of development cost? For MO, this price will not be higher than $000. And given the scale of their production ...
              About scale.
              Let's immediately determine that the Iskander-K missile launcher is the same Caliber missile launcher, only shortened in order to fit into the restrictive (then) range standards "up to 500 km." . And after that, let's remember that today there are 12 (TWELVE) missile brigades at the Iskander OTRK in the RF Armed Forces. A complete set of ammunition was produced for each such brigade - both the quasi-ballistic Iskander-M and the Iskander-K missiles in several modifications. These are many, many thousands of missiles. Apart from the actual "Caliber" for the needs of the Navy.
              And what have we had with the Navy over the past 10 years?
              And there were quite grandiose plans for the construction of combat missile ships - carriers, incl. "Caliber" . Some frigates (two types) should have been built by our days at least 20 - 24 pieces. . D corvettes pieces 30, not less. Yes RTOs of two types of pieces 30 - 40.
              It is understandable that the shipbuilding program failed, and it is understandable why.
              But.
              With the production of "Caliber" everything was just not just "normal", but good. And plans for the production of a full ammunition load of these missiles for all expected ships were drawn up IN ADVANCE. And since there were "delays" with the ships, then missiles can be stocked up for them ahead of time - fortunately, the plans have been approved. That's what they stocked up. And stocked up.
              That is why the "Caliber" does not end, to the amazement of both enemies and their own couch army. Stocks of them were created for the Big New Fleet of Russia. And now just know reload.
              And all this incredible amount of the latest CD was produced in just ... 10 years. yes For the "Caliber" has been adopted since 2012. Now, estimate the volume of production of these products in one calendar year.
              Did you figure it out?
              And what happens to the cost of production with such mass production?
              It's getting cheaper!
              And at the same time, industrial cooperation and the production process are honed to the optimum.
              And this is only regarding the KR "Caliber" and "Iskander-K".
              And there is also an ALCM - X-555, X-65, X-101, X-22. And this is only the KR database for Long-Range Aviation aircraft. And the stocks of these missiles since Soviet times have been very impressive. And the X-101s were made to replace them.
              And also ... it just so happened ... Whether for the sake of saving money on tactical and strike aviation, or for other reasons, but from the moment the military reforms began, the stake in a future (possible) war was made precisely on the CD - as a replacement / alternative numerous tactical strike and attack aircraft. They say that in the event of a war with NATO, their air superiority will be overwhelming, therefore there is nothing to compete with them in the number of aircraft ... let's replace them with a LARGE number of KR and Iskander OTRK. There are two benefits at once - you don’t need to train a large number of pilots, technicians, maintain a large number of airfields, military camps with them, the social sphere ... think about employing officer wives, schools for their children. etc., etc., etc. Everything will be replaced by the KR and OTRK, which do not need to be taught, fed, provided with monetary and clothing allowances, create a social environment in military camps ... CAPITALISM. request
              One can argue about the correctness of such a concept, perhaps the "legs" were stretched over the "clothes" ... But now we have what we have - a large number of missiles, their extremely developed production and ... their low cost for the Moscow Region. The cost of our KR can be compared with the cost of American UABs ... and it’s not a fact that the comparison will be in favor of their UABs of the same power ... Moreover, their UABs need an aircraft ... with everything attached to them.

              But of course, cheap cast iron on the heads of the Nazis would have given a much more impressive effect in terms of mass. But here we already have what we have.

              And as for the initial planning of the NWO ... After all, it is obvious that no one was going to conquer Ukraine.
              She was going to be SCARED.
              With luck - to contribute to a coup d'etat with the replacement of the regime with a more sane and perhaps even friendly one.
              And to force "dear partners" to take a closer look at the requirements of the Russian Federation to provide Russia with SECURITY GUARANTEES from NATO.
              And I had to fight.
              So much so that in 9 months of the NMD, the arsenals of NATO (and ours?) Are empty to a critical level.
              And now a completely different Strategy and other Tactics are needed. And a completely different outfit of forces.
        2. Archimedos
          Archimedos 6 December 2022 09: 51
          +5
          History does not tolerate the subjunctive mood ... All alternatives are a science fiction genre, and all expert articles are from "good in hindsight." I can give a dozen reasons why it started this way and not otherwise ... but why!? It is necessary to correct what was done erroneously, what was not taken into account ... and develop plans already taking into account new data and a new understanding of the situation.
          1. Barberry25
            Barberry25 6 December 2022 10: 35
            -2
            the key point is not even that it needs to be corrected. it is just being corrected, but that the Ministry of Defense has chosen the position "everything is going according to plan" and does not voice the actions and decisions that are being made .. Remember the story with the BTRZ .. how did we know that the pace has increased production and loading? That's right, from a PR trip of one deputy of the State Duma .. The Ministry of Defense is silent in this regard or practices in the style of "wow, it worked .. let's spam all the channels with this very tool" .. As a result, it turns out that we had a wave of posts with Z-attributes, then the heroes of the NWO, then posts "how we fight", then briefings and now a wave of "the best training of mobs" .. We need our own analogue of CIPSO and PR, which will voice and promote information in a high-quality and effective way as in country and beyond.
      2. EFIM LYUBIN
        EFIM LYUBIN 5 December 2022 21: 36
        +5
        This clearly demonstrates how the Russian oligarchy of thieves and traitors holds the Kremlin power for the Faberge Easter product! Shame on the whole world! Shame on the parquet-ceremonial generals, hung with orders and medals received for no one knows what!
        1. Barberry25
          Barberry25 6 December 2022 10: 36
          -1
          then the question is .. if the oligarchs rule in our country, then how did they allow the CBO itself?
          1. Dingo
            Dingo 6 December 2022 16: 24
            +1
            then how did they allow the NWO itself?

            "The greed of the fraer ruined" ... They wanted to quickly, a week or two (hence the "rush" to Kyiv, Gostomel ...) - and "pull", that is, "grab" ... And what - in Russia "rolled", why not there?
            But there - "it didn't work" ... So the "abramoysha" rushed between Moscow, Kyiv and Istanbul. He even delivered drinks personally on the plane, carrying the Nazis "in exchange for godfather" to sunny Turkey. Upon arrival, I bought them iPhones. The Nazis were pleased...
            It was not in vain that he caved in - 6 lards of "green" were returned to him ... Deserved.
            1. Barberry25
              Barberry25 6 December 2022 16: 33
              -4
              and now the question is .. what is the business of "abramoysha" in Russia now?
              1. Dingo
                Dingo 6 December 2022 17: 00
                +2
                I have no idea! I have long ceased to be interested in these nouveau riches ... For them now the main task is to hide ... Or to prove that they are "good Russians." A line of "walkers" lined up at the "abramoyshe" - apparently, they take commissions ... For mediation. But not a fact.
                Chelsea was squeezed out of him at a price below the market. At least something...
                Uzbekistan drowns for Usmanov..
                Mordashov (the one to whom Tolya-red combine Cherepovets "gave") his yacht in Vladik hides ...
                Aven and Fridman donated 150 million greenbacks each to some kind of "aid fund for Ukraine" - they try to be "good". It didn't help - they screwed up...
                They spin as much as they can. Well, do not help the Russian army, really? That's not why they stole...
                1. Barberry25
                  Barberry25 6 December 2022 17: 33
                  -5
                  well, study the topic, and then you will write .. regarding "why the oligarchs do not help" I will say this .. if I were in the place of the oligarchs, I would not advertise this topic too much .. since in this situation it is very easy to stay with a bare booty, and even under criminal prosecution from other countries. Therefore, rich people do not advertise this topic ... Even the term "D Troops" appeared ... or do you really believe that some volunteers easily and naturally find several million in a couple of days rubles for the purchase of large quantities of ammunition?
        2. Dingo
          Dingo 6 December 2022 15: 54
          +3
          Shame on the parquet-ceremonial generals, hung with orders and medals received for no one knows what!

          Like "I don't know why"? For devotion to the "Master". Indeed, without him, these "fat-bellied SUVs" would at once have ended up in retirement at best, in a camp barracks at worst.
          To the point. On the front tunic of Shoigu (photo in the public domain) among the "iconostasis" he noticed one "award" - you will laugh, but this is a fact. This badge is called "For success in the census." How!
          How does Comrade Kim reward his generals? "For success in catching tuna"?
      3. Barberry25
        Barberry25 6 December 2022 10: 31
        -2
        Well, yes .. after-knowledge is such a thing ... it allows you to win any war in a couple of days
      4. DrtFd
        DrtFd 6 December 2022 20: 30
        -3
        Yes Yes
        Putin leaked everything, it was necessary to hammer Kyiv on the first day
        and for a long time only tsipsoshniks stick out here on the site?
    3. Vic Vic
      Vic Vic 5 December 2022 16: 59
      +15
      The plot is correct.
      There would have been fewer deaths, and goals reached faster.
      1. Pantsuy
        Pantsuy 6 December 2022 06: 18
        +3
        Quote from vicvic
        The plot is correct.
        There would have been fewer deaths, and goals reached faster.

        I’m somehow on this resource (when I was still not blocked under the old nickname wink ) I somehow answered one comrade that I, a couch expert, would have carried out this operation in a completely different way and my troops would already be in Lvov. And the meaning of my opinion was close to what the author described. True, then everyone threw poop at me and called me an arrogant fool. Say, the Commander-in-Chief knows everything and can do everything. The armor is strong and our tanks are fast
        1. DrtFd
          DrtFd 6 December 2022 20: 30
          -1
          ahahha cissoshnik would spend 3 days well
      2. Alex_mech
        Alex_mech 6 December 2022 09: 55
        0
        Do you believe in fantasy? The author was going to destroy all types of communications, including mobile, in one day! The author does not know how to count and does not know how cellular communications are arranged?
      3. Eroma
        Eroma 6 December 2022 14: 08
        +1
        Do you think that with the help of bombing it is possible to squeeze out the territory? laughing
        Only your infantry is able to take control of the territory you need! There are absolutely no other options! bully
        With the help of bombing, you can force someone to agree to something, or, more realistically, create a house in which, if you organize the work correctly, you can form forces that will solve some problems for you (hello from Syria).
        Iraq and Yugoslavia are not the right example! The right example is: Korea and Vietnam and Afghanistan! The difference is having a strong ally who can provide resources and weapons in large quantities fellow
        Ukraine belongs to the second group, so you don't need to rely on bombs, only an infantryman's boot can put an end to the war! soldier
        1. Vic Vic
          Vic Vic 6 December 2022 14: 45
          +1
          ... and the second stage could be, as you say, an infantryman's boot
        2. Dartik
          Dartik 6 December 2022 21: 29
          0
          So at the initial stage, they did not plan the return of the territory. The goal was to intimidate and sign treaties that would resolve the conflict, but alas, it did not work out.
          1. Eroma
            Eroma 6 December 2022 21: 53
            +2
            Quote: Dartik
            The goal was to intimidate and sign agreements that would resolve the conflict, but alas, it did not work out.

            Putin himself says that the SVO is a measure that we were forced to take! feel
            Those. the decision was made as part of someone else's plan of action! Are we moving along a route predetermined for us by someone and at the same time we expect that someone will be frightened of our movement? lol
            Either we are not interpreting events correctly, or they don’t understand what they are doing up there! belay
            1. Dartik
              Dartik 8 December 2022 22: 20
              0
              Quote: Eroma
              Quote: Dartik
              The goal was to intimidate and sign agreements that would resolve the conflict, but alas, it did not work out.

              Putin himself says that the SVO is a measure that we were forced to take! feel
              Those. the decision was made as part of someone else's plan of action! Are we moving along a route predetermined for us by someone and at the same time we expect that someone will be frightened of our movement? lol
              Either we are not interpreting events correctly, or they don’t understand what they are doing up there! belay

              Well, conspiracy theories are always tempting, but as for me. Ours just miscalculated, that's all. And the negotiations in the early days are an example of this. Our people wanted to scare, force them to sign on our terms and solve the problem with sanctions, conflict, and so on. But alas, it didn't work out.
              1. Eroma
                Eroma 8 December 2022 23: 04
                +2
                There is no conspiracy theory! We were pushed into conflict in order to solder sanctions, and sanctions are needed to clean up the EU market from Russian energy resources. This is only one goal of this conflict, and if you look closely there are a bunch of them! Therefore, to believe that we will scare someone there is stupidity! lol
                We can solve this situation either quickly, or make it unprofitable for entertainers.
  2. Pavel57
    Pavel57 5 December 2022 04: 47
    +37
    Mistakes in the planning of the SVO led to a delay in the operation. Now the war of economies, NATO countries and Russia has begun.
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 5 December 2022 07: 04
      +37
      Quote: Pavel57
      Mistakes in the planning of the SVO led to a delay in the operation.

      Mistakes are mistakes, but how to call the practice of requesting a pilot to launch anti-radar missiles near the ground? Pilots are forced to request such permission, wasting minutes!
      1. Cananecat
        Cananecat 5 December 2022 08: 27
        +28
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        Mistakes are mistakes, but how to call the practice of requesting a pilot to launch anti-radar missiles near the ground?

        +1
        I was also extremely unpleasantly surprised and ask the same question.
        If this is not a betrayal, then how should this agreement be regarded ...?
        1. Ruby
          Ruby 5 December 2022 12: 37
          +15
          This is not a betrayal. This is such a combat charter and order of interaction. Russia does not need betrayal. Own gouging much better than any spy cope.
        2. Eroma
          Eroma 6 December 2022 21: 58
          +1
          Quote: Canecat
          If this is not a betrayal, then how should this agreement be regarded ...?

          This is not trust in the pilot and fear of responsibility for the rocket or for what I don’t know
      2. merkava-2bet
        merkava-2bet 5 December 2022 08: 35
        +18
        Because the VKS does not have a real-time data exchange system like NATO Link-16, which is already satisfactory, so they work like in Chechnya, on request.
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 5 December 2022 09: 21
          +15
          Quote: merkava-2bet
          Because the VKS does not have a real-time data exchange system like NATO Link-16, which is already satisfactory, so they work like in Chechnya, on request.
          You didn’t understand, the pilot is asking for permission to launch HIS rocket, according to a radiating object detected by THEM. Purely organizational insanity.
          1. merkava-2bet
            merkava-2bet 5 December 2022 09: 29
            +11
            It also happened in Chechnya, the pilot saw the BM-21 Grad <Chekhov> and asked for permission to destroy it, it was nonsense.
          2. svoroponov
            svoroponov 5 December 2022 11: 51
            -1
            In general, the pilot requests confirmation. Since there can be several aircraft in flight and they are listening to radio traffic, permission to request this aircraft excludes the use of expensive missiles from several aircraft on one identified object. Everything is simple here.
            This target acquisition and kill request behavior is common practice in aviation in many countries.
            1. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U 5 December 2022 15: 37
              +9
              Quote: svoroponov
              This target acquisition and kill request behavior is common practice in aviation in many countries.

              You are confusing God's gift with scrambled eggs, requesting the use of weapons to prevent the defeat of non-combatants, and then radar radiation, what non-combatants can be?
              Quote: svoroponov
              Since there can be several aircraft in flight and they listen to radio traffic, permission to request this board excludes the use of expensive missiles from several aircraft on one identified object.
              Owl and globe. And stupidity. A specific side is irradiated - a specific side and launches.
              1. svoroponov
                svoroponov 5 December 2022 17: 53
                +11
                I have a lot of practice in training pilots in combat use. Therefore, I am responsible for my words.
                There are only a few aircraft in the air and they obviously do not go tightly in pairs or in a flight, but at some dispersal or are each in their own area of ​​​​responsibility. When irradiated, they are not at the same distance from the radiation source. In your cockpit there is an indication that the radar is working and the direction to it, and perhaps now, and based on the operating mode of the station, and the range to it. In addition, our electronic intelligence stations are working and the selected data data (and suddenly it’s a microwave turned on there) immediately go at the aviation control checkpoint .. Therefore, the pilot who discovered the exposure of the station in combat mode and requested permission to use the rocket so that the accuracy of the station’s operation was confirmed by agreement and other pilots heard it. Not everyone will work at the same station at the same time. So anti-radar missiles are not enough. It's not NURS. This is just what I explained. Moreover, radar simulators can work, and you will shoot back at the simulator with the whole link. And then a goal like a falcon when switching the enemy to the main radar.
                1. Vladimir_2U
                  Vladimir_2U 6 December 2022 08: 56
                  +3
                  Quote: svoroponov
                  I have a lot of practice in training pilots in combat use. Therefore, I am responsible for my words.
                  There are suspicions that this is not the case.

                  Quote: svoroponov
                  When irradiated, they are not at the same distance from the radiation source. In your cockpit there is an indication that the radar is working and the direction to it, and perhaps now, and based on the mode of operation of the station, and the range to it.
                  Moreover, they may not be irradiated at all, which means they are not notified in any way, which means that they will not be able to launch a rocket at the source at all.


                  Quote: svoroponov
                  In addition, our electronic intelligence stations are working and the selected data data (and what if they turned on the microwave there) immediately go to the aviation control command post ..
                  Do you know the concept of the radio horizon at all? Because the ground station of the RER may not see the operation of the ground-based guidance radar at all already from 100 km. Well, to imagine that aircraft means of detecting radar exposure are not able to distinguish a microwave from a radar is an indicator ...

                  Quote: svoroponov
                  Not everyone will work at the same station at the same time.
                  The fact that the leader of the pair / flight commander can give permission to launch did not occur to you?


                  Quote: svoroponov
                  Moreover, radar simulators can work, and you will shoot back at the simulator with the whole link.
                  Oh so the microwave doesn't count already?.


                  Quote: svoroponov
                  I have a lot of practice in training pilots in combat use. Therefore, I am responsible for my words.
                  Yes, what suspicions, you are either lying with a blue eye, or shamefully own the material.
                  Well, such a non-military presentation that oh.
                2. Alex_mech
                  Alex_mech 6 December 2022 09: 58
                  +3
                  So what about the microwave? Do you want to say that the power of a microwave oven is comparable to the power of a radar, and such a technique can deceive someone? Are you sure who you say you are?
            2. stankow
              stankow 6 December 2022 00: 33
              0
              And the radar station can also beat its own! You never know what in the chaos of battle! Doesn't hurt to double-check. Just a few seconds, the target will not run anywhere!
          3. Eule
            Eule 5 December 2022 16: 36
            -7
            In France, there was an accident on this topic - for the sake of a joke, the police measured the speed of a military aircraft taking off with a radar. The automatics of the aircraft, without the participation of the pilot, fired at them from a cannon, both died, the car burned down.
            1. WapentakeLokki
              WapentakeLokki 5 December 2022 19: 06
              +9
              people, but in more detail .. and what kind of ''military aircraft'' that has onboard turrets (and even with auto shelling of threats - and it’s funny turned on from the moment of takeoff, i.e. in the deep rear) .. I immediately recalled our VTA like Il-76 (it has a real 2x23 mm on its tail) or Tu-22 (there is the same turret in the tail, but NATO has it .. even on the B-52, the tail turret has been removed since the days of Vietnam .. let's get the details. ..name sister name
              1. sifgame
                sifgame 6 December 2022 10: 28
                +7
                What details)))) such incredible button accordions on Zen and peek-a-boo in bulk, only countries change. And the person is too gullible, he believes every nonsense that he reads on the Internet.
            2. Alex_mech
              Alex_mech 6 December 2022 10: 01
              +3
              Enchanting nonsense. Only a child of 5-6 years old can believe this. Did the plane, without the participation of the pilot, turn on the police car on takeoff and open fire? And what kind of plane is this, probably secret and you won’t tell, right?
    2. Paul Siebert
      Paul Siebert 5 December 2022 12: 41
      +16
      Quote: Pavel57
      Mistakes in the planning of the SVO led to a delay in the operation.

      Each mistake has a surname, name and patronymic...
      As long as the mediocrity in the General Staff is not responsible for anything, there is no need to wait for changes in the course of the NWO.
      The country must know "its heroes"!
      1. WapentakeLokki
        WapentakeLokki 5 December 2022 19: 08
        +9
        alas, as Comrade Stalin said .. I don’t have other generals for you ... but does our GDP have .. generals or only the Ministry of Emergency Situations ???
        1. View from the outside
          View from the outside 5 December 2022 19: 20
          +16
          Not only generals, but also pretty 28-year-old generals
          1. Dingo
            Dingo 5 December 2022 20: 24
            +3
            but also pretty 28-year-old generals

            The general's wife is the general's wife. But girls with general's epaulettes - "this is different" ...
            1. View from the outside
              View from the outside 6 December 2022 12: 03
              +2
              Yes, technically you are right, but on the Internet they are called "generals", and you probably know this yourself. Apparently, this is precisely what people emphasize that these "ladies" in (almost) general uniforms have nothing to do with the army, this is some kind of mockery of real officers and generals. I looked on the Internet at the biography of only one of the favorites of our marshal, who, by the way, also did not have a military education and did not serve:
              "The youngest female general in Russia is Maria Kitaeva - she received the title at the age of 28. Major General Kitaeva has a diploma from MGIMO, as well as from the country's most prestigious acting university - GITIS. For a long time the girl worked as a journalist ..." Continue to continue?
          2. sifgame
            sifgame 6 December 2022 11: 08
            +4
            To be fair, she has a civilian rank. The correct feminitive would be a general.)
            1. View from the outside
              View from the outside 6 December 2022 12: 11
              +1
              Well, if only as a joke. Here is what Wiktionary writes about the "generalka": "
              prof. dress rehearsal ◆ Usage example missing (see recommendations).
              prof. general power of attorney ◆ Missing usage example (see recommendations).
              unfold general cleaning ◆ There is no example of use (see recommendations)". I think that if fate gives you a chance to turn to such a lady and call her a "general", then this will be your last ... - well, then think of it yourself
              1. Dingo
                Dingo 6 December 2022 16: 33
                +4
                Evil tongues call these "girls" some - "Sewing Troops", some - the personal harem of the "plywood" marshal ... But also evil tongues, isn't it?
                1. View from the outside
                  View from the outside 6 December 2022 23: 25
                  +1
                  They are not evil (tongues), they are from envy;)
              2. sifgame
                sifgame 6 December 2022 16: 50
                +3
                bracket in the form of a primitive emoticon, like this), implied that this was a joke.
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  3. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 5 December 2022 04: 53
    +14
    However, we dreamed of something ...
    These "dreams" were to be realized by the General Staff!
    1. Pilot
      Pilot 5 December 2022 05: 15
      +35
      Apparently the General Staff did not have enough courage to argue with the top, effective, managers with commercial friends. Everywhere, baryzhiy's handwriting is present in ,, pplan ,,.
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 5 December 2022 07: 06
        +11
        Quote: Pilot
        Apparently the General Staff did not have enough courage to argue with the top "effective" managers

        And how can clerks in uniform contradict someone?
      2. Sergey Valov
        Sergey Valov 5 December 2022 08: 29
        -6
        "Apparently the General Staff did not have enough courage to argue with the top ones,." - what you propose is called a military coup.
        1. Alf
          Alf 5 December 2022 19: 29
          +8
          Quote: Sergey Valov
          "Apparently the General Staff did not have enough courage to argue with the top ones,." - what you propose is called a military coup.

          But in the Second World War, the generals argued with the temporary detention center and the coup did not happen. I wonder why ?
          1. Sergey Valov
            Sergey Valov 5 December 2022 21: 10
            -1
            To argue with Stalin (if the IVS is Stalin)? Would you like to joke? I'm not even going to discuss it.
            And the revolution didn't happen. I wonder why ?". - by the fact that they did not argue, there were no fools. And do not confuse disagreement in small things with objections on fundamental issues.
            1. Plate
              Plate 5 December 2022 23: 33
              +6
              Quote: Sergey Valov
              To argue with Stalin (if the IVS is Stalin)? Would you like to joke? I'm not even going to discuss it.

              Yes, there is evidence of how they swore already with Stalin. And mats, and screams, and everything is as it should be.
              Anecdote on the topic. Zhukov comes out from Stalin and mumbles under his breath: "Mustachioed ass." And this was heard by the colonel of the NKVD and reported to the leader. He called them both, described the situation, asked:
              - Whom did you mean, Comrade Zhukov?
              - How whom? Hitler, of course!
              - And you, Comrade Colonel?
          2. your1970
            your1970 5 December 2022 22: 43
            +1
            Quote: Alf
            Quote: Sergey Valov
            "Apparently the General Staff did not have enough courage to argue with the top ones,." - what you propose is called a military coup.

            But in the Second World War, the generals argued with the temporary detention center and the coup did not happen. I wonder why ?
            - because those who COULD stage a coup were quietly shot before the war
            Zhigarev lied to Stalin in his eyes, and nothing too ...
            1. Alf
              Alf 6 December 2022 19: 26
              0
              Quote: your1970
              because those who COULD stage a coup were quietly shot before the war

              And they did it right.
        2. PC
          PC 5 December 2022 23: 24
          +2
          What kind of revolution are we talking about? Do not write nonsense.
    2. Doccor18
      Doccor18 5 December 2022 07: 03
      +10
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      However, we dreamed of something ...
      These "dreams" were to be realized by the General Staff!

      If everything rested on the military component, but there is also an economic and political component that has always dominated the army ...
      1. Azim77
        Azim77 5 December 2022 10: 55
        +1
        That's it. The author would have returned Crimea in this way?! It is always convenient to come up with solutions in hindsight.
  4. YOUR
    YOUR 5 December 2022 05: 11
    +20
    Everything is much easier. We don't have that much aviation. During the war with Iraq, the US and its allies concentrated almost 3000 combat aircraft alone, not counting transport and helicopters. About the same with Yugoslavia.
    First of all, radars and air defense systems were knocked out. A huge number of jammers were used. In short, don't be shy.
    For what reason there is no such amount of electronic warfare on our part in the NWO, one can only guess.
    1. 28st region
      28st region 5 December 2022 05: 23
      +43
      Agree on everything 10000%. At that time, he was still serving, naturally they brought information to the b / d in Iraq. The Americans put such powerful interference that they even blocked TV in Tashkent. All the reconnoitred air defense systems were simply plowed, for each radar station that went on the air, a dozen launches of anti-radar missiles were carried out. Satellites were constantly hovering over Iraq, monitoring the situation. Aviation tasks were received in the air by reconnaissance from satellites or at the request of ground forces, thus reducing the time for a request for support to several minutes.
      Apparently, the development of aviation and the tactics of its use have gone somewhere wrong. Already at that time, UAVs were massively used. We laugh at the fact that the Americans have forgotten how to work with paper maps. So they made night marches through the desert on the GPC and never made a mistake. It is possible and possible to score these satellites, but so far they have not coped with the starlink.
      Something like that. Takes out everything as usual Vanyusha infantry.
      1. Lykases1
        Lykases1 5 December 2022 07: 57
        +23
        I agree. And I have had questions for a long time - well, there are examples of successful operations, why do our suns not want to develop in this direction? Where are the hundreds of dlro aircraft, where are the jammers? As I guess this topic is not very respected. Well, without it, it is difficult to fight air defense. Somehow I was not very interested, but recently I looked at the chronicle of the 2008 war. In fact, nothing has changed. There is no connection, the general is standing on camera and cannot understand which unit has galloped off where. Helicopter jammers picked up when they suffered losses in aviation, and one plane was shot down themselves. The general also said "There is nothing to fly over the 58th army." In short, they pinched us, pinched us, then they saw what was unfolding and ran away. This did not happen with Ukraine.
        1. 28st region
          28st region 5 December 2022 08: 47
          +13
          In the age of technology, exclusively personal heroism is cultivated, this is certainly good and wonderful, but when personal heroism is also backed up and technically backed up by good, well-developed tactics, when interaction between units is established, everything will be done much better and more clearly.
          Here is an example: there is a shooting battle, dill hid in the cellar of a destroyed building, crawls out from time to time and shoots. Nearby, 10 meters away, our paratrooper does not see him, but they raised a bird above the field. An adversary was found from her and handed over to a guy who threw grenades at him.

          https://ok.ru/video/4156523416192

          And there was a connection.
          1. Dmitry Rigov
            Dmitry Rigov 5 December 2022 13: 20
            +12
            With Chinese civilian UAVs, of course, the RF Armed Forces have become very profane, these penny devices, but which give a huge advantage on the battlefield, began to be used only after the experience of working with the fighters of the annexed republics, it is a pity that they began to be used en masse after the start of the NMD, many lives could be saved in the northern direction.
        2. gsev
          gsev 5 December 2022 17: 44
          +16
          Quote: Lykases1
          Well, there are examples of successful operations, why are our suns unwilling to develop in this direction?

          This is a very expensive pleasure. Under Stalin, a Stakhanovist worker earned more than his minister, so in 15 years Stalin created an aviation comparable to Hitler's aviation. It is impossible to have normal military aviation and fabulously huge salaries for Gref and Sechin with the beggarly salaries of aircraft manufacturers.
          1. Alexander Raikov
            Alexander Raikov 5 December 2022 22: 49
            +4
            Under Stalin, neither Gref nor Sechin were in the parade! It is a pity that the Stalinist corps of young Komsomol members and communists died in the war. Would be alive after the war, probably the USSR remained whole and mighty to this day!
      2. laws70
        laws70 5 December 2022 08: 24
        +7
        I won’t be surprised if it turns out that our generals still dream of cavalry armies, and all these Western fashionable things of yours are of no use to them at all.
        1. AUL
          AUL 5 December 2022 09: 35
          +11
          Quiz question:
          And how, given the state of affairs in our army, was it decided to start our own? Why were thousands of our guys thrown to their deaths? So that someone in the Arbat Military District would get an extra star on shoulder straps and on his chest?
          1. Vic Vic
            Vic Vic 5 December 2022 17: 09
            +11
            Did you see the speech of the Director of the SVR on the eve of the SVO? Only by the way he looked and how he spoke, it became clear that a lot, at least not at all good
          2. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 5 December 2022 18: 56
            0
            Quote: AUL
            Quiz question:

            Attention ANSWER!
            Wars (NVO) are declared not by the military, but by politicians!
            Ask any military man: what is better - peace or war? And he will answer you that of course the world. Because it is for him to die in the war, and not for the politician who started it. Why did the NWO V.V. Putin explained very intelligibly. Why you still haven't figured this out is a separate question.
            Therefore, there is nothing to roll a balloon on a warrior. They honestly do their job. By the way, they are also dying, not politicians.
            AHA.
            1. AUL
              AUL 5 December 2022 19: 20
              +8
              Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
              Therefore, there is nothing to roll a balloon on a warrior. They honestly do their job.

              On the warriors, who are in the trenches, no one rolls a balloon! And low bow to them!
              This question is addressed to soldiers from the Arbat Military District. And don't pretend you don't understand!
              1. Boa kaa
                Boa kaa 6 December 2022 16: 47
                0
                Quote: AUL
                This question is addressed to soldiers from the Arbat Military District. And don't pretend you don't understand!

                Of course, I understood everything. But your approach is flawed in freedom of choice. Blaming the General Staff for not attacking the infrastructure and OVU of the U-country is the same as blaming the clerk of the company for why its owner does not want to sell the company's products to buyers from Russia ... There are levels of management and decision-making. Based on this, their responsibility for the implementation of the task is determined. If the political leadership of the country did not allow the destruction of the energy structure of Svidomo, then no Mr. Gerasimov dared to take such a step. For such a decision immediately entails political consequences. ("And do not pretend that you do not understand this!") If you remember, the blow to the energy system of the country-U was dealt after a sabotage on the Crimean bridge. Why this is happening - you need to ask the military-political leadership of the country, which "from the hillock" can see further and better.
                Yours faithfully, hi
                1. AUL
                  AUL 6 December 2022 20: 25
                  +1
                  Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                  Wars (NVO) are declared not by the military, but by politicians!
                  Ask any military man: what is better - peace or war? And he will answer you that of course the world. Because it is for him to die in the war, and not for the politician who started it.

                  1. Uncles from the General Staff are more politicians than military men. not the level to command companies and batteries! In addition, you constantly need to make sure that no one bypasses, does not sit out in the service ... Not to trifles here!
                  Blaming the General Staff for not attacking the infrastructure and OVU of the U-country is the same as blaming the clerk of the company for why its owner does not want to sell the company's products to buyers from Russia ... There are levels of management and decision-making. Based on this, their responsibility for the implementation of the task is determined.
                  Therefore, professionals of the highest level (which, of course, is our General Staff lol ) still wanted to fight? After all, the plan of the military campaign was drawn up by the General Staff. Assess the industrial and human potential, Lend-Lease, which was already in full swing, international support and much more ... And what, the entire General Staff headed by the Minister of Defense, as well as the Foreign Intelligence Service, could not convince one colonel not to start this adventure?
                  But your approach is flawed in freedom of choice.
                  And here, please explain how to understand this clever phrase?
            2. PC
              PC 5 December 2022 23: 29
              0
              Everything is correct. The military do their job honestly. And politicians... Just throw up your hands.
            3. Pankrat25
              Pankrat25 6 December 2022 07: 35
              0
              By the way, they are also dying, not politicians.

              Therefore, we must act like the French, recruit an army outside of our country.
      3. WapentakeLokki
        WapentakeLokki 5 December 2022 19: 14
        +7
        Well, perhaps in our Aerospace Forces after Syria there was a kind of euphoria about combat effectiveness, but ... as it turned out, Ukraine is not ISIS .. and with 100% support for NATO forces, the Russian Aerospace Forces is already not US Air Force .. as they say .. dizziness from success, and here .. yes, face on the threshold .. and by the way, the situation is stalemate .. The VKS is fighting MAX on the front line (yeah, combat contact) and all the strikes in the rear are drones .. and why do we need bombers and attack aircraft if .. and indeed .. why then VKS .. you don’t need a violinist .. or do you need ???
    2. gromit
      gromit 5 December 2022 11: 07
      +24
      "For what reason there is not such a quantity of electronic warfare on our part in the NWO, one can only guess.")

      Maybe because we are a technologically backward, corrupt country?
      A fragment of a superpower that has lost touch with reality.

      Well, how else to react to passages like - day 1 - 3 thousand launches of cruise missiles!
      day 2 - high-precision space laser strikes from orbit!
      day 3 - robo-cavalry attack with plasma whips....
      1. YOUR
        YOUR 5 December 2022 11: 32
        +20
        There were too many stories about our electronic warfare. How the Americans flee, and so on. They are needed now. WHERE?
        1. Santa Fe
          Santa Fe 5 December 2022 11: 58
          +24
          At the forum Army of Russia -2015
          Head of Rostec Chemezov:

          When the Russian army appears at the front of the APU, it will be easy to understand.

          The first sign is the failure of all means of communication, the complete discharge of batteries in cars, tanks and other equipment, at the same time the discharge of batteries in mobile phones, in sights, in radio stations. Then there is a rupture of electrical circuits in all equipment - any. This is EMP. All engines stall, there is no way to start. This is how the Khingan system works, with a radius of 20 km.

          The second is a complete failure of all systems using liquid crystal monitors, failure of all targeting devices of the air defense system - the radars are dead. The Altair system is in operation.

          The third is failure when trying to use any type of guided weapon - from MANPADS to ATGM .. When trying to use shells, they self-destruct immediately ... This is the "Mercury" system - on the basis of MTLB such an antenna is high, now the Russians have in every battalion. Works on 15 kilometers radius.

          Fourth, it is impossible to use unmanned drones. They either fall, with the failure of the navigation system and the engine, or sit down at the disposal of the Russians. The Kosuha-4 system disables the onboard equipment of airplanes and any other aircraft.

          The fifth sign will have time to see and understand not only just everything. This is the phenomenal accuracy of artillery fire from a distance inaccessible to Ukrainian artillery. Artillery and guidance stations of the Russian army operate via satellites and their drones. The Russians modernized the shells, they are now with a homing system, have become longer and carry more explosives.
          1. Third district
            Third district 5 December 2022 13: 19
            +13
            Quote: Santa Fe
            At the forum Army of Russia -2015
            Head of Rostec Chemezov:

            When the Russian army appears at the front of the APU, it will be easy to understand.

            And after all, this is bragging, it was 7 years ago. By all the logic of things, one would think that now we have in general, the most high-tech army in the entire galaxy.
            1. YOUR
              YOUR 6 December 2022 03: 42
              +10
              I remember how this bragging with joyful squealing was discussed here and how desperately they downvoted those, incl. and me, who allowed himself to doubt what was said.
          2. YOUR
            YOUR 5 December 2022 13: 25
            +15
            They talked a lot. Only when it came down to it, none of this turned out to be
          3. spirit
            spirit 5 December 2022 14: 52
            +14
            At the forum Army of Russia -2015
            Head of Rostec Chemezov:

            And then Chemezov woke up after a hangover laughing
          4. Lykases1
            Lykases1 5 December 2022 18: 59
            +1
            I don’t understand, is this a joke, or is it actually said?
          5. PC
            PC 5 December 2022 23: 34
            +4
            It was smooth on paper. And Chemezov is a great storyteller.
          6. Alex_mech
            Alex_mech 6 December 2022 10: 08
            +4
            Well, fantasy, but rather a fairy tale. No one has a physics textbook for the 7th grade to give to Chemezov?
          7. flyer
            flyer 9 December 2022 14: 41
            0
            But Sergei Viktorovich-Hero of Russia
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 5 December 2022 15: 33
          +2
          Quote: YOUR
          There were too many stories about our electronic warfare. How the Americans flee, and so on. They are needed now. WHERE?

          EW is and works. Murz recently described the features of the use of small UAVs - so one of the problems with their use was the procedure for coordinating the departure with EW regulars, which otherwise disrupted the work. Because the technique is about the same on both sides, so the electronic warfare showered with chalk both their own and others.
          1. YOUR
            YOUR 6 December 2022 04: 27
            +4
            From your comment it is clear that you are not familiar with the principles of electronic warfare.
            Briefly without going into details.
            First, an object is detected, the radio frequency at which it operates, and either by force this frequency is clogged with white noise, while the beam is directional, or the carrier frequency is decoded by its modulation, in which case control interception is possible for a copter-type UAV.
            And not as you imagine, they turned on the station and covered it with a dome
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 6 December 2022 10: 05
              0
              Quote: YOUR
              First, an object is detected, the radio frequency at which it operates, and either by force this frequency is clogged with white noise, while the beam is directional, or the carrier frequency is decoded by its modulation, in which case control interception is possible for a copter-type UAV.

              Gorgeous. And now remember that we are talking about small battalion-level UAVs. Which work in a band of 5-7 km, and often not in one person. And which are the same on both sides, and sometimes generally trophy (Murz wrote about the fact that in the Ghost, if possible, downed UAVs are collected for restoration or cannibalism).
              And so we cover this band of the battalion with the radiation pattern of the EW station antenna. Plus side petals. Plus a power reserve for reliable suppression.
              And by the way, which of the communication jamming complexes has directional antennas?
              1. YOUR
                YOUR 6 December 2022 10: 11
                +1
                Quote: Alexey RA
                Gorgeous. And now remember that we are talking about small battalion-level UAVs. Which work in a band of 5-7 km, and often not in one person.

                You are wrong. This is about
                Why Russia cannot defeat Ukraine from the air in the same way as the US did in Iraq and Yugoslavia
          2. Alex_mech
            Alex_mech 6 December 2022 10: 10
            +1
            Well, it's geometry. If the electronic warfare is in its rear, then it will interfere more with its own, and not with the enemy.
        3. View from the outside
          View from the outside 5 December 2022 18: 59
          +8
          Yes, I remember how I told (by phone) my acquaintances in America about how, allegedly, their newest destroyer, by the way, was "blinded" in the Black Sea under the influence of our electronic warfare with the SU-25, by the way, carrying 154 cruise missiles on board. And that, allegedly, upon returning to the NATO port in Romania, half of his team "having washed their underpants" were written off to the shore. Friends could not understand: is it something we have such humor, or are we just stupid and do not have critical thinking.
          1. Alex_mech
            Alex_mech 6 December 2022 10: 11
            +1
            And what do you end up with? All the same, is this humor or stupid? What do you think now?
            1. View from the outside
              View from the outside 6 December 2022 11: 45
              +3
              Good afternoon! Hardly humor, rather a combination of jingoism and lack of critical thinking. Our people are just not stupid, but if abroad, smart people, as a rule, are at the top, and stupid people are at the bottom, then it’s rather the opposite with us. Although a long time ago, in the days of the USSR, I knew one department head of the Central Committee and one general, and both were very smart and decent. What can not be said about "now", alas ...
              1. Alex_mech
                Alex_mech 7 December 2022 10: 28
                +1
                "Yes, the whole system needs to be changed!" Soviet anecdote.
                1. View from the outside
                  View from the outside 7 December 2022 11: 07
                  +2
                  And there is! Only worse, because then there were no oligarchs and the country was not robbed like that
                  1. Alex_mech
                    Alex_mech 7 December 2022 12: 14
                    +1
                    Where did the oligarchs come from? From the nomenclature of the USSR. It’s just that in the USSR the Beryozka store was state-owned and served the nomenclature, and now it is private.
          2. Andy_nsk
            Andy_nsk 6 December 2022 15: 28
            +5
            blind" in the Black Sea under the influence of our electronic warfare with the SU-25, their newest destroyer,

            Write everything correctly, with a small clarification: a cry was raised in the sandbox about the Su-24, on which the Khibiny allegedly stood. I tried then to tell people about electronic warfare systems (on another site), and they didn’t even listen to me. Our people do not have critical thinking from the word "absolutely", solid jingoistic patriots.
            1. View from the outside
              View from the outside 6 December 2022 23: 30
              +1
              Thanks for the correction! As a non-military person, I already forgot a little that these were SU-24s and Khibiny, and I wrote from memory, but, I confess, I was too lazy to clarify
        4. Pankrat25
          Pankrat25 8 December 2022 07: 35
          +1
          I will answer you "where": did anyone even order their mass mass production? You like to turn things upside down. They are not there, because the state ordered 1-2 of them because of the high cost. only Americans can afford bulk purchases of such expensive toys, but they also have them in piece copies. And these couple of things were banged in the Donbass back in the spring, there is a video in the telegram channels. They were too efficient.
  5. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 5 December 2022 05: 16
    +11
    Russian Spring reports that two of our pilots on the K-52 were killed ... it seems like they shot down with a Buk ... there is a video.
    A pure ambush ... they were waiting for them in advance ... to see on a tip from NATO ... something needs to be done with this.
    What the author is talking about was said at the beginning of the CBO on our forum by many members of the forum.
    request So all questions should be addressed about the non-linear development of the NWO to the top leadership of the country ... a lot of things were not taken into account there.
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 5 December 2022 07: 07
      +8
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      two of our pilots died on the K-52 ... it seems like Buk was shot down

      Yes, a direct hit, unfortunately no chance ...
    2. 28st region
      28st region 5 December 2022 09: 10
      +10
      Here is the video.
      https://ok.ru/video/4158239279744

      Sorry guys. And again the same question, where are our BRL missiles? Why, as soon as the Ukropov radar station goes on the air, dozens of missiles do not fly in its direction. Which were so colorfully told here at VO. And in our radar stations, in our counter-battery combat stations, US ones fly (high-speed anti-radar missiles AGM-88 HARM)
      In Yugoslavia and Iraq, their planes during sorties without fail had a suspension with such a missile or with two. In Vietnam, when large raids were carried out as part of the strike group, a group of aircraft was necessarily allocated to combat air defense systems. On one of the PRL rockets, a b / h with white phosphorus was installed. Thick white smoke showed the approximate location of the air defense system. Which was attacked from all sides.
      And what do we see here? The air defense system approached the very front line, i.e. was within reach of artillery, waited until the helicopters appeared and hit.
      1. Glory1974
        Glory1974 5 December 2022 11: 40
        +4
        And what do we see here? The air defense system approached the very front line, i.e. was within reach of artillery, waited until the helicopters appeared and hit.

        Not the fact that right at the front line.
        But more questions arise why the helicopter was alone, and why it was not at low level flight, but substituted itself under the air defense system?
        1. 28st region
          28st region 5 December 2022 13: 38
          +9
          20 km from the line of contact, already at the front line. Why was the question not found? Apparently there is no electronic warfare from the word at all
    3. werwolf1981
      werwolf1981 5 December 2022 23: 03
      +2
      Ignorant to put it mildly!!!! Not taken into account!!! Incompetence and gouging unparalleled idiots that's what it's called!!!
    4. PC
      PC 5 December 2022 23: 37
      +5
      The top leadership of the country did not take into account practically nothing. I fell in love with the fairy tales of Medvedchuk and company. Now we have what we have, and... Medvedchuk in Yalta.
  6. BMP-2
    BMP-2 5 December 2022 05: 17
    +9
    Well, as I understand it, the matter is small: it remains only to invent a time machine. By the way, and for whom is time working now?
    1. laws70
      laws70 5 December 2022 08: 26
      +8
      Well, as I understand it, the matter is small: it remains only to invent a time machine.

      And it makes sense if our General Staff does not plan to learn lessons from its own mistakes.
      1. BMP-2
        BMP-2 5 December 2022 15: 09
        +4
        Well, if there was a time machine (or better, a wagon) - it would be possible to experiment with the composition of the General Staff! wink
  7. Nikolay Malyugin
    Nikolay Malyugin 5 December 2022 05: 32
    +1
    Iraq cannot be compared to the densely populated Ukraine. Yes, and the SFRY did not exist by that time. Yesterday I watched "Battle for Moscow". How many tanks and planes did Stalin demand in the coming months? Not less than two hundred. Those and others. The rear worked for the front. And Ustinov said with a smile, "Will be done,"
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 5 December 2022 08: 37
      +8
      Quote: Nikolai Malyugin
      Iraq cannot be compared to the densely populated Ukraine. Yes, and the SFRY did not exist by that time. Yesterday I watched "Battle for Moscow". How many tanks and planes did Stalin demand in the coming months? Not less than two hundred. Those and others. The rear worked for the front. And Ustinov said with a smile, "Will be done,"

      Ukraine and Iraq now have roughly equal populations. And the army of Iraq was like that of Ukraine after mobilization in terms of quantity.
      1. Santa Fe
        Santa Fe 5 December 2022 12: 10
        +11
        And the army of Iraq was like that of Ukraine after mobilization in terms of quantity.

        5th in the world in terms of the number of armored vehicles

        Experienced in an 8-year war with Iran, the entire army was driven through the fighting

        Iraqis occupied Kuwait in 24 hours, brilliant operation

        (August 1, 1990, Hussein called the Emir of Kuwait, Jaber al-Ahmed al-Jaber al-Sabah: "How are you, O Sheikh Jaber?" Saddam said, “You won’t have breakfast in Kuwait!”)

        The Americans dispersed all this scum, it took them 40 days
        1. Illanatol
          Illanatol 7 December 2022 13: 38
          0
          Quote: Santa Fe


          The Americans dispersed all this scum, it took them 40 days


          They did not disperse, but only drove them away from Kuwait, using total superiority in aviation and missile weapons. Attempted ground operations were not very successful for the Yankees, until Saddam gave the order to withdraw from Kuwait. Hitting the retreating in the back - no special skill is needed.
          In general, a complete victory did not work out, they did not even try to take Baghdad. It took years of sanctions to put Iraq to death before the Yankees decided to finish the job.
          I note that the topography of Iraq is an ideal training ground for aviation operations. Ukraine is a completely different matter.
          1. Santa Fe
            Santa Fe 8 December 2022 02: 07
            0
            Not dispersed, but only driven away from Kuwait

            Attempts at ground operations were not very successful for the Yankees

            There was only one attempt and it was successful

            The "Hussein Line" consisted of three defensive lines. To maneuver firepower in the directions of a possible breakthrough in the desert, over 1000 km of tracks were laid - to create threats of flank attacks in the event of an assault on the units of the Multinational Forces ... On the 40th day of the operation, the Yankees hit 500 km north of the fortifications of the Hussein line - and entered from the north . The Hussen line was not a static defense, its basis was made up of armored fists (such as Tavalcana), ready to turn around and take the fight from any direction. And this threat was dealt with by rapidly advancing through the desert. The end has come for the Iraqi group in Kuwait

            They didn't even try to take Baghdad.

            The goal was to defeat the group in Kuwait
            Change of power in Iraq - such a goal was not set in 1991
            the topography of Iraq is an ideal testing ground for aviation operations

            What about weather conditions and visibility when it's windy in the desert

            Or such an Iraqi tactic - "the next morning, the entire sky over Kuwait was covered with smoke from 700 burning wells"

      2. Nikolay Malyugin
        Nikolay Malyugin 5 December 2022 12: 59
        +1
        Dear. You can drive a hundred kilometers through Iraq and not meet a village. Desert. There is no such thing in Ukraine.
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 5 December 2022 13: 01
          +11
          Quote: Nikolai Malyugin
          Dear. You can drive a hundred kilometers through Iraq and not meet a village. Desert. There is no such thing in Ukraine.

          In Iraq, part of the country is a desert, but the part that is next to the rivers or between them is so populated that Ukraine is resting
  8. parusnik
    parusnik 5 December 2022 05: 46
    +5
    For the sake of presenting an alternative scenario for the CBO, an article was written.
    1. AUL
      AUL 5 December 2022 10: 01
      +6
      The author is well done! First, assumptions - "according to some data (though unconfirmed)...", "according to some information (again unconfirmed)...". And then, on the basis of such prerequisites, he makes quite unambiguous and invincible conclusions. Pretty!
      As for his own, then he was generally dragged into Alternative History!
      By the way, the author did not answer the question posed in the title of the article. And I so hoped for him! No.
      1. Timofey Charuta
        Timofey Charuta 5 December 2022 15: 20
        +7
        An alternative military history with the proposed options is a kind of now popular form of analysis of the mistakes made, an analysis that is mandatory both during and after the end of any war. To prevent them from happening again. And what's wrong here? If what you're doing now is so bad, why not try something else?

        Another thing is interesting - how often on the "VO" forum the so-called. The "couch strategists" who were scolded by everyone turned out to be closer to the truth, more knowledgeable and competent than Russian generals strewn with awards and stars at high-tech control points, in "decision-making centers". Russian intelligence - some kind of no. Surprised to be honest...

        Example. And before the war, ordinary household Internet in the public domain provided enough information to analysts and just inquisitive minds about the situation in Ukraine and around it. For some reason, the effective military assistance of NATO was not at all surprising. What were you hoping for? Personally, I do not see anything unexpected, unpredictable in the fighting in Ukraine.

        As for me, in the article under discussion everything was explained clearly and accessible according to the stated title of the article. And about the state of the air war is also interesting and informative.

        PS Perhaps not so much the military is to blame for everything, as politicians and constant business agreements - grain, ammonia, etc. etc. They wrote that they surrendered Kherson - somewhere the arrest was lifted from someone's billions there. It's amazing, but Russian gas, it seems, is still being pumped through and to Ukraine. Nothing personal...

      2. werwolf1981
        werwolf1981 5 December 2022 23: 05
        -1
        If such an ideological and patriot go on your own, why are you sitting on the couch arguing ??? Does it hurt your eyes???
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        2. Timofey Charuta
          Timofey Charuta 6 December 2022 00: 33
          +1
          And here on the "VO" forum everyone is so ideological.
          I do not like? Shut the fuck up this forum and all at-two! To the delight of the dunduks in the headquarters, who have one answer to any crap - "everything is going according to plan!". The main thing is that the "plan" does not end ...

          And don't, dear wervolf1981, be so angry with me. Let's better think together what and how ...

  9. Wildcat
    Wildcat 5 December 2022 05: 56
    +12
    wassat
    Exotic means of destruction are used, such as intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) with a conventional warhead and projectiles converted from old machines - kamikaze UAVs, carrying tens of tons of explosives.

    No, not all exotic remedies have been used!
    Neither underwater drones from old submarines are indicated, the explosives are more than they themselves weigh; no turbines in butts; no PMCs on quadrupers ... hovering over the airborne forces soldier on the buggy. laughing
    The entire Mitrofanovsky series on VO should be remembered! good

    The author's attempt to compare NWO with Desert Storm is good, but as always, it failed.
    Let's, dear readers, do it for the author. Let's very simply compare Mitrofan's three-day air blitzkirig with the first part of the BvP (1991 air campaign, from 16.01 to 28.02.).
    Ukraine 603 km², 549 million
    Iraq 435 km² 052 million
    That is, Iraq was smaller.
    Coalition of about 2000 aircraft
    Iraqi Air Force 711 aircraft

    In three days, Mitrofanov proposes to launch KR and Gerani in thousands, the number of BR and other happiness is not clear, but let there be "Mitrofanov's thousands". Air Force sorties - it is not clear how many, but let there be "thousands" too (I don’t know where the thousands come from, Mitrofanov knows better).

    What happened in Desert Storm? "The Gulf War began with an extensive aerial bombardment campaign on January 16, 1991. For 42 consecutive days, coalition forces subjected Iraq to one of the most intense aerial bombardments in military history. The coalition flew over 100 sorties, dropping 000 tons of bombs."
    One more time: "not a thousand and three days", "more than a hundred thousand in forty-two days". For a country that is smaller in size, and it was worse armed. This is without KR, art and other interesting special forces.

    Against the background of the "Mitrofanovsky blitzkrieg", the supposed, IMHO, plan of the NWO "taking under protection / control by the forces of the Airborne Forces of the authorities" looks like an extremely reasonable action. If anyone does not remember - in Kazakhstan in January it was like that.

    In general, sadness is to write about Desert Storm and not even bother to find out what was there. Urban legends about "radar frequencies" and "bribery" do not even want to discuss. am
    1. nickname7
      nickname7 5 December 2022 06: 57
      +9
      In three days, Mitrofanov proposes to launch KR and Gerani in thousands, the number of BR and other happiness is not clear, but let there be "Mitrofanov's thousands".

      Mitrofanov is right in many respects, it was necessary to start the SVO immediately to the maximum, and not try to chop off the heads of the "Gorgon Medusa" one at a time
      1. kor1vet1974
        kor1vet1974 5 December 2022 08: 16
        +4
        it was necessary to start SVO immediately to the maximum
        It's too late to drink, Essentuki ..
      2. laws70
        laws70 5 December 2022 08: 30
        +10
        do not try to chop the heads of the "Gorgon Medusa" one at a time

        We do not cut them yet, but we are trying to comb them ..
      3. Wildcat
        Wildcat 5 December 2022 12: 51
        +4
        If we consider the NVO and Storm in the Desert in the ground part (which Mitrofanov does not do correctly), then the ratio of ground forces and territories looks completely ... completely strange. Even Mitrofanov understands this, IMHO.
        What has been since February is, in fact, the maximum, IMHO.
        Data on the strength of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, the Armed Forces of Ukraine is on Wikipedia, you can familiarize yourself with them.
    2. Santa Fe
      Santa Fe 5 December 2022 12: 16
      -1
      Yes, and armed was worse.

      Read books and articles on the topic

      Google Tawalkan and Hamurappi
      1. Wildcat
        Wildcat 5 December 2022 12: 57
        +4
        If you look at the land part of the BiP, then everything is completely sad there. Including for Hammurabi with Tavalkana. Data on battles and losses have long been open, but many still hope that Hussein won somewhere (this is ineradicable, IMHO).
        The most figurative and true comparisons are "The Wehrmacht of the times of Gelb returned" (although everything was even worse for Iraq) and "like a crowbar in the city ... but flew by."
    3. cold wind
      cold wind 5 December 2022 12: 48
      +8
      If we compare Desert Storm and NWO, more precisely Iraq and Ukraine, then the Iraqi Armed Forces are head and shoulders better than the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Quantitatively and qualitatively. Not even 30 years apart.
      1. Wildcat
        Wildcat 5 December 2022 13: 01
        +2
        hi
        IMHO, comparing the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Armed Forces of Iraq is not entirely correct, although I agree with the general conclusion.
        IMHO, it is necessary to compare the opposing forces (APU and RF Armed Forces; Coalition and Iraqi Armed Forces). Such a comparison, even if we take numbers without a qualitative analysis, is very telling in itself.
    4. futurohunter
      futurohunter 7 December 2022 18: 56
      0
      the author also forgot hypersonic diving catapults and combat laser pointers
  10. Ivan Slavyanin
    Ivan Slavyanin 5 December 2022 06: 08
    -7
    Because it is necessary to draw weapons and equipment from their arsenals as much as possible
  11. carpenter
    carpenter 5 December 2022 06: 28
    +4
    the descendants of the Nazis, who were not finished off by the USSR, again bombed a European country - they again felt the taste of Slavic blood.

    Again Scholz is a descendant of an SS general, von der Leyen are eager for "Drang nach Osten".
  12. Alex 1970
    Alex 1970 5 December 2022 06: 33
    +17
    As long as a part of the Russian leadership has commercial interests on the territory of Ukraine, this will continue, one step forward and two steps back. But there people are dying, eh ...
    1. Evgeny_4
      Evgeny_4 5 December 2022 22: 29
      +4
      That is why the mobilization did not go as they wanted at the top. There were no voluntary queues at the military registration and enlistment offices. 5 million young people have left the country.
      The goals of the NWO are incomprehensible for many. To die for the settlement, and tomorrow, as a gesture of goodwill, give this settlement away. For someone's business interests.
    2. werwolf1981
      werwolf1981 5 December 2022 23: 07
      +3
      At the part??? Everything and not only there!! Offshore overseas they're trying to get back
  13. alexey alexeyev_2
    alexey alexeyev_2 5 December 2022 07: 30
    +10
    Well, for starters, it would be indicative to judge and shoot the beginning. the rear of a doctor of some kind of science and the owner of a dozen more of some kind of muddy titles. To tear off shoulder straps, for a thief .. Science will be different. And it is desirable that Shoigu command the firing squad.
    1. Vladimir M
      Vladimir M 5 December 2022 08: 18
      +15
      For the sake of justice, it is necessary to start by first expelling the reindeer breeder in disgrace, after all, the fish rots from the head. And then judge and shoot "doctors of some kind of science" ....
    2. werwolf1981
      werwolf1981 5 December 2022 23: 08
      +3
      Shoigu himself needs to be kicked in the ass by Vieste with the General Staff
    3. Alex_mech
      Alex_mech 6 December 2022 10: 16
      0
      And who will shoot, maybe you personally agree? And who will give you the order?
      1. alexey alexeyev_2
        alexey alexeyev_2 6 December 2022 11: 30
        -2
        There is a commandant's platoon for the execution of the sentence. And who commands is not important. For such a case, I would get off. Jacket By age, they didn’t volunteer. But you don’t need an order. Long live the court-martial. The most humane court in the world
  14. User_neydobniu
    User_neydobniu 5 December 2022 07: 43
    -3
    But most importantly, in Yugoslavia, the United States used a completely different tactic: instead of destroying the Serbian armed forces, they focused their efforts on attacks on civilian infrastructure

    And only one question - what prevents the Russian Air Force from doing this?
  15. nickname7
    nickname7 5 December 2022 07: 53
    +10
    So is the official goal of the NWO as demilitarization although the correct term is too impersonal and bashful, the term had to be specified and an ultimatum should be presented to Ukraine in
    - ban for 24 hours Bandera ideology hatred, and Hitler's accomplices Bandera and Shukhevych as national heroes should be deposed and banned on the territory of Ukraine. In case of refusal to comply with the ultimatum, the power of the Criminal Code is recognized by the Nazi regime as a threat to the Russian Federation and will be overthrown, further explain that the lands of the Criminal Code are not needed, only the overthrow of the Bandera regime.
    Geopolitical goals for the return of the old Russian lands cannot be voiced at all.
    Moreover, the military, not politicians, should plan the campaign.

    The guarantor, who is also a watcher among the oligarchs, was appointed to balance the interests and conflicts of the ruling circles, he is excellent at finding compromises and negotiating. These qualities are needed in peacetime, but after the start of the NWO, agreements are unacceptable, the guarantor does not have the necessary qualities for wartime, he had to transfer the chair to Grudinin or someone else.
  16. Boris55
    Boris55 5 December 2022 08: 29
    -18
    Quote: A. Mitrofanov
    Why can't we do the same with Ukraine as the US did... but because the priorities were set incorrectly.

    Not American? - Yes, we are not them.

    We cannot turn Ukraine into a desert on moral grounds. There, according to the mentality, there are a lot of our citizens. Look at them in the liberated regions and republics. See how citizens from the occupied territory supply our army with intelligence... There is an insignificant minority that seized power and committed genocide against the people of Ukraine. A true genocide, not an imaginary one - a famine, a cold sea ...

    Bomb the grandmother with the flag of the USSR?



    Judging by the comments, this is exactly what many want ...
    1. User_neydobniu
      User_neydobniu 5 December 2022 08: 32
      +4
      We cannot turn Ukraine into a desert. There, according to the mentality, there are a lot of our citizens

      And these citizens of yours slaughter the citizens of the Russian Federation for a sweet soul, and those who don’t cut them to the fullest supply the Armed Forces of Ukraine with weapons, uniforms, equipment, food and other resources for successful military operations ...
      Bomb the grandmother with the flag of the USSR?

      So your citizens have been waiting for a long time ... You can’t bomb them
      1. solar
        solar 5 December 2022 10: 23
        +2
        Grandma is there. Slightly hid from shelling in Kharkov and returned to her village.
        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Бабушка_с_красным_флагом
    2. Dmitry Rigov
      Dmitry Rigov 5 December 2022 13: 34
      +3
      That's just because of this kind of thinking in the early days, many of our guys lost, we need to get rid of the mouse brotherhood.
      Moreover, the grandmother then changed her shoes and now they have stopped using it for propaganda purposes.
    3. werwolf1981
      werwolf1981 5 December 2022 23: 10
      -4
      No need to bomb grandmothers, did you carefully read the article, who should have been bombed!!??? Read carefully then write, couch analyst
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 6 December 2022 07: 37
        -3
        Quote from: wervolf1981
        No need to bomb grandmothers... who should have been bombed!!

        So the Natsiks of these grandmothers hide under their skirts ... and they are bombs - they don’t understand where anyone is.
  17. merkava-2bet
    merkava-2bet 5 December 2022 08: 30
    +4
    Looking at the SVO, I can’t understand a lot. First, looking at the “lunar craters” shelling the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the question pops up, what have the Russian Armed Forces already run out of shells with radio fuses or cluster shells, because their effectiveness is much higher or the echelons of shells are not it is a pity to send from the reserves for plowing hectares of black soil.
  18. Boniface
    Boniface 5 December 2022 08: 37
    +1
    It seems to me that all military correspondents have to talk about this topic "the tongue is swollen" - all the talk shows have already "discussed" all this - why again "kick" the air on this issue?
  19. N3onMiami
    N3onMiami 5 December 2022 08: 40
    +19
    A classic set of clichés about "the Americans bribed everyone", "Russia handed over the data of the Iraqi air defense systems."
    But if we, yes, we would these Americans wow!
    It is unpleasant for our jingoistic patriots that the Americans butchered our yesterday's allies, so they begin to invent how to belittle the merits of the amers.
    Cry or laugh? Don't know.

    Desert Storm and the invasion of Yugoslavia are textbook examples of the correct use of "combined arms" tactics, taking into account modern realities, using a full arsenal of the latest weapons, which, coupled with a large concentration of reconnaissance capabilities, made it possible to reduce our own losses to tiny values, with incomparably large at the enemy (we read about the Highway of Death and the battle at 73 Easting).

    Why VKS could not seize the initiative? Firstly, the hands are short, no matter how insulting it was to admit it. Secondly, yes, NATO reconnaissance vehicles, which we cannot, for obvious reasons, shoot down.

    What prevented "our" commanders from studying the experience of the Americans and extrapolating to current realities? What prevented us from applying our modern developments?
    Rhetorical questions, of course.
    1. kor1vet1974
      kor1vet1974 5 December 2022 08: 56
      +8
      Hmm, what's stopping a bad dancer? Slippery floor, tight pants..
    2. Terran ghost
      Terran ghost 5 December 2022 09: 44
      -2
      Quote from N3onMiami
      Americans butchered our yesterday's allies

      And you can find out, and who were the allies here? War criminal Saddam Hussein (the name is written with a small letter on purpose), who began his tyrannical rule with the execution of Iraqi communists, was an ally of the USSR? Where exactly was he?
      Yes, and Yugoslavia, in general, also the entire period of the so-called. During the Cold War, it pursued an emphatically multi-vector foreign policy and was never an ally of the USSR. PS: And yes, Yugoslavia collapsed on its own, the US government has nothing to do with it at all. The reasons are the "vice" that was originally incorporated into the structure of the SFRY, which would sooner or later tear Yugoslavia to pieces as soon as the ideology of Titoism ("socialism with Yugoslav specifics") would lose its attractiveness. Which unfortunately happened in the early 1990s. :(
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 5 December 2022 14: 25
        +2
        At the 26th Congress of the CPSU in 1981, on one day, the delegates were congratulated by a representative of the Iraqi branch of the Baath Party, already headed by S. Hussein at that time, and on the other day, a representative of the Iraqi Communist Party criticized the "fascist regime" existing in the country. As far as I remember, in the 80s, Soviet propaganda did not list Iraq among our close friends. Although it did not consider it a hostile state. Thus, this country was recognized, with a high degree of conditionality, as a country of socialist orientation, trying to build a specific version of Arab nationalist socialism.
    3. bk0010
      bk0010 5 December 2022 14: 35
      +2
      Quote from N3onMiami
      A classic set of clichés about "the Americans bribed everyone", "Russia handed over the data of the Iraqi air defense systems."
      But if we, yes, we would these Americans wow!
      It is unpleasant for our jingoistic patriots that the Americans butchered our yesterday's allies, so they begin to invent how to belittle the merits of the amers.
      In fact, Iraq was an American ally.
      Quote from N3onMiami
      What prevented "our" commanders from studying the experience of the Americans and extrapolating to current realities?
      A categorical quantitative and qualitative discrepancy between our and NATO aviation.
      Quote from N3onMiami
      What prevented us from applying our modern developments?
      Their serial non-production. MO does not buy them.
      1. N3onMiami
        N3onMiami 5 December 2022 17: 09
        +1
        "Actually, Iraq was an American ally."
        During the Iran-Iraq war, yes.
        By "former ally" I meant Iraq in the 60s and 70s, when the USSR quite transparently supported it and other countries of the Arab coalition in the Arab-Israeli conflict.
    4. Lykases1
      Lykases1 5 December 2022 19: 36
      +3
      Your comment was kind of sluggishly reacted. When I wrote this, they called me drowning for the Americans. Reminded, to some extent, that the US lost in Vietnam and fled Afghanistan. Completely agree with your comment. Why didn't ours work like that? There could be a lot of reasons. From the banal - it was not possible due to the lack of certain types of weapons, to blurry goals. Plans kept changing and time was running out. Remember, at first they didn’t even hit the locations of the l. s., that he appreciated and hid in the cities among civilians. Now they are hitting the barracks, apparently something has changed
      1. N3onMiami
        N3onMiami 5 December 2022 20: 51
        +3
        Before the start of the NWO, for such a comment on the VO, they would have thrown minuses, sent it to mother and finally poured mud over it.
        But thank God, the VO audience for the 9th month of the CBO learned to adequately perceive reality. And all these "gestures of good will" and "regroupings" served as an antidote to the jingoistic frenzy that we were fed for 8 years from all irons.
        1. Alex_mech
          Alex_mech 6 December 2022 10: 22
          +2
          I do not agree that
          VO audience for the 9th month of CBO learned to adequately perceive reality
          rather the opposite
          1. N3onMiami
            N3onMiami 6 December 2022 11: 08
            0
            How to say. For starters, there are fewer naive people who believe in TV. Already good.
    5. Alex_mech
      Alex_mech 6 December 2022 10: 20
      -1
      Well, you can see what's going on in the comments now. Some have already found traitors, while others are still looking. Well, people cannot admit that they allowed themselves to be deceived.
  20. aszzz888
    aszzz888 5 December 2022 08: 43
    +2
    Why can't we do the same with Ukraine as the US/NATO did with Iraq and Yugoslavia?
    And he will never do that. The mentality is not the same.
    1. User_neydobniu
      User_neydobniu 5 December 2022 09: 42
      +2
      And he will never do that. The mentality is not the same.

      It's just not about mentality.
    2. N3onMiami
      N3onMiami 5 December 2022 17: 06
      +4
      It's not about mentality, it's about short arms.
  21. kor1vet1974
    kor1vet1974 5 December 2022 08: 53
    +5
    with unclear prospects at the moment.
    As for the prospects, they are indeed, rather unclear. As already stated, the goal is not to overthrow the Nazi regime, so in the event of capitulation, the same regime will carry out denazification? Bees, against honey? Further, who will restore the destroyed infrastructure? West? In this case, Ukraine will completely separate from Russia for many years. Russia? On what terms? If this comes under the hand of Russia, then back and forth, and if not, it will be more like indemnity payments. Further, the annexed territories do not recognize the participating countries of the Helsinki Accords, de facto they have died, but de jure no one has canceled them. In this regard, no one will cancel the sanctions. And the most interesting, Nazi Ukraine, will continue to exist, but within different boundaries.
    1. solar
      solar 5 December 2022 10: 25
      -2
      the annexed territories do not recognize the countries participating in the Helsinki Accords, de facto they have died

      There are no breaches of agreements. The only exception until this year is Crimea.
      1. kor1vet1974
        kor1vet1974 5 December 2022 11: 35
        +5
        There are no breaches of agreements.
        Therefore, the participants in the Helsinki agreements lined up at the Russian Foreign Ministry to recognize the annexed territories, including Crimea. smile
        1. solar
          solar 5 December 2022 18: 24
          -2
          I don't quite understand the point of your post. Have you seen a line somewhere? Even the allies from Belarus and Kazakhstan are in no hurry to get into it. However, like everyone else. With a stretch, we can assume that Nicaragua has opened a consulate there, and even an honorary one,
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    1. Laki_Rusyn
      Laki_Rusyn 5 December 2022 11: 58
      0
      nice lies. Only animals there were Albanians and Americans bombing the country. Serb civilians were victims in WW1 by ethnic Croats of Austro-Hunarian army, Serbs were victms during WW2, when Nazi Germans, Nazi Croats, Bulgarians, Bosnian Muslims, Albanians, Hungarian fascist were literally competing how will murder more Serbs and more sadistically. In 1990s another reprise of that happened, the only difference was that US was the main leader of invasion instead of Germany. Shame on you, your commentar is barbaric, not us.
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        1. Laki_Rusyn
          Laki_Rusyn 5 December 2022 13: 44
          -1
          Please stop spreading western propaganda. You are obviously not even Russian, or you are one of those rare Putin-hater Russians who would sell own ass for a few dollars.

          Albanians had their own schools and their own language. Nobody was squeezing them. They equal lived as much any other national minority in Serbia including Hungarians, Slovaks, Rusyns, Romanians. I am an ethnic Rusyn living in Serbia, i know what i am talking about.

          Albanian terrorist organization KLA was labeled as terrorist organization by CIA themselves. However when the Americans felt that those terrorist will fit their own interest, the KLA suddenly become "Liberation army" Yes it's bery "liberation" when those terrorist beasts were killing innocent civilians of both Serbian and Albanian ethnic origin. In fact, KLA Leader Ramush Haradinaj killed more Albanian civilians that he did Serbian ones.

          Your comment you proved to support Western hegemony, and you obviously like when Banderovci killing and burning Russian civilians. Go back to Ukraine traitor.
        2. Laki_Rusyn
          Laki_Rusyn 5 December 2022 13: 49
          0
          Do you else now how Albanians become majority in Kosovo? no you don't. First genocide against Kosovar Serbs was committed by Kosovar Albanian terrorst Nazi SS formation Skenderbeg during WW2. When the war ended, that Croatian communist Tito, didn't allowed the expiled Serbs to return to Kosovo because he wanted to maintain good relations of then president of Albania Enver Hoxha and even give entire Kosovo to Albania, that was his plan. As a Croat, Tito pathologically hated anything Serbian.
    2. bk0010
      bk0010 5 December 2022 14: 41
      +2
      Quote: Terran Ghost
      And about the atrocities with the cruelties of the Serbian aggressive Chetnik nationalists, led by the then President of Yugoslavia S. Milosevic, against the Kosovo Albanians, what was "modestly" silent about?
      Because it was self-defense in its purest form: the bandits were destroyed. What is wrong, except for non-compliance with NATO plans?
  23. hermit
    hermit 5 December 2022 10: 56
    +1
    If there had been a European or American Chernomyrdin to convince Zelensky to accept Russia's terms, then she could have crushed Ukraine from the air. But what would the West do in 1999 if a ground operation were needed? And was he ready for it? And how long would the operation in Yugoslavia last in this case? The author does not know or does not take into account the then political context. Russia helped NATO and the US rather than Yugoslavia.
  24. iouris
    iouris 5 December 2022 11: 24
    +4
    Instead of carrying out a complete decomposition of Ukraine from the very beginning of the special operation...

    What high style!
    Specifically, what do you think should be done? And what does the US, Iraq and Yugoslavia have to do with it? The only thing missing is a "spherical horse in a vacuum".
    Ukraine is not. Forget it.
    All the problems of the Russian Federation began with the fact that it became the successor of the USSR. This is not the Russian Federation "attacked Ukraine" in order to "defeat" it. It is the United States that continues to smash the USSR.
    1. kor1vet1974
      kor1vet1974 5 December 2022 11: 38
      +5
      It is the United States that continues to smash the USSR.
      Whatever in the post-Soviet space, a new state military political association would not arise, such as the Union.
  25. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 5 December 2022 11: 49
    +7
    Partly true:
    1. The size of the Russian Aerospace Forces themselves is small for such a war (tactical component)
    2. Forces for reconnaissance and control center are apparently not sufficient
    3. The choice of hit targets is purely military without hitting the political leadership (central and local and the Police)
    4. From the very beginning, the telecommunications centers of communication and the Internet and broadcasting were not surprised ...
    5. Similarly - transport infrastructure.
  26. acetophenone
    acetophenone 5 December 2022 12: 11
    +13
    I understand more and more that this is not a war against ukrofascism, but a dispute between business entities. Where, on the one hand, a group of American billionaires, and on the other - Russian. And Russian и American It is not citizenship or nationality. And where they stuck.
    1. N3onMiami
      N3onMiami 5 December 2022 17: 12
      +2
      No offense, but you just now realized this?
  27. filibuster
    filibuster 5 December 2022 12: 14
    +19
    Maybe it’s time to honestly say that “the king is naked”? Well, there can't be a strong technically advanced army without the same strong economy. All air defense / electronic warfare / AWACS systems, just like air defense suppression systems, require the presence of a powerful advanced electronic industry; we have not had it for 20 years. Something could be bypassed, for example, the same secure communications, UAVs if allowed to use foreign Components.
    Well, the second point is corruption, incompetence, nepotism, a vertical line of “loyal” people. Or that we have Shoigu as a military genius, for me it has always been so strange that we are engaged in all sorts of air raiders and tank biathlons with the construction of the Temple, and even projecting new cities of million people in Siberia, while in the army it’s not that there are no AWACS aircraft, normal no shoes.
    And by the way, where did our supreme commander comment on at least something after leaving Kherson, for me it turned out to be a revelation that Shoigu was “in command” of the NVO, this is a question of military planning of the NVO.
  28. Aleprok
    Aleprok 5 December 2022 12: 39
    +5
    so far, it must be admitted, everything is going according to the American scenario ... so their strategy is working so far, our task is to break it, for this we must have our strategy clearly formulated, but so far there is no such wording
    1. Dmitry Rigov
      Dmitry Rigov 5 December 2022 19: 01
      +4
      I suppose that our elite initially plays according to the American scenario as opposed to the European one. And all the rules and conditions of the NWO were just discussed at secret meetings last year. At least I can’t explain the entire course of events of the CBO with anything other than a conspiracy theory.
  29. Hanurik
    Hanurik 5 December 2022 12: 43
    -1
    Author, you have the answer to your question at the beginning of the article. Look at the photo and tell me what you see? And what you do not see in Ukraine.
  30. Reader 47
    Reader 47 5 December 2022 12: 43
    +3
    Everyone fancies himself a strategist seeing the battle from the side (Shota Rustaveli "The Knight in the Panther's Skin"). When mistakes become obvious it is good to make war in the past. And where is the guarantee that the proposed option is good. There is no such guarantee. And there is such a guarantee that then someone will write: "Oh, you had to walk a horse." I am not a strategist, but I think that the scenario described in the article was possible in 2014. And in 2021 everything was already available: reconnaissance aircraft, Starlink, trained Ukrainians, and so on and so forth. And in 2014, the reason was the surprise factor and the unpreparedness of the enemy.
  31. Esaul
    Esaul 5 December 2022 13: 00
    +3
    And if the strength is not enough to immediately swallow such a piece, then from the northeast, along the Dnieper, cutting off the entire left-bank Ukraine from its western part - in the event of the destruction of the bridges along the Dnieper, there would be no chance of winning it back from the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

    This is exactly what should have been done from the very beginning, to divide Ukraine along the Dnieper. Then the Donbass grouping of the Armed Forces of Ukraine would be doomed
  32. hhurik
    hhurik 5 December 2022 13: 07
    0
    Quote: Vladimir M
    https://ok.ru/video/4158239279744

    Banish? Hm...
  33. seacap
    seacap 5 December 2022 13: 17
    +11
    In short, all this is the 30-year-old results of reforms and the so-called. transformations, or, more simply, the entire policy of the created system, complete irresponsibility, intellectual helplessness in solving emerging problems, as a result of a personnel policy created on the basis of nepotism, personal devotion and crime. When an inherited estate society is created without social and career lifts, when all aspects of the activity and functioning of the state system are considered exclusively from the side of profit, and often contrary to rational and common sense with the only task of sawing, sorry, mastering as quickly and as much as possible the budget money, and the civil service is perceived as a personal business project, and, moreover, it is practically freed from any personal responsibility for the results of decisions and work and rests solely on the personal moral and business qualities of this or that official, when not a single minister or official has a specialized education and any noticeable achievements in the areas they lead, it is difficult to expect any breakthroughs and meaningful progress. The fact that in the first hours and days up to 95% of sorties are carried out to suppress air defense, and in subsequent air raids up to 25% of aircraft are allocated to cover the strike group from air defense and RTR, and any position of air defense is always goal No. 1, so these are the basics , an axiom of any combat charter and instruction, moreover, of all branches of the armed forces, i.b. aviation, this was hammered into the head of cadets from the first courses of military schools. And the reason is also, it seems to me, that thanks to reforms and optimization, in other words, criminal and targeted sabotage, the state of our aviation industry is such that the loss of even 1 bomber or drying is critical and difficult to recover, and most importantly, the thoughtless reduction of the legendary military aviation schools of pilots and aviation engineers with their educational and scientific base, teaching staff led to a banal shortage of experienced flight and engineering staff. Yes, and the general mess in the Armed Forces after the massive reduction, sorry, optimization, division into friendly and foreign "Soviet", as a result, the dismissal of the most experienced commanders, often with great practical and combat experience, the appointment of lieutenants and captains to companies and battalions, also made his contribution to this sad state of affairs, it seems to me.
  34. Konnick
    Konnick 5 December 2022 13: 25
    +7
    It is unrealistic to win with inferior aviation work. We cannot even “demonstratively” liberate Marinka or Avdeevka, where the artillery of the Armed Forces of Ukraine works with impunity from distances that allow us to cover our assault groups. Some here say it is necessary to go around the village, but moving across an open field is suicide, so they go along the building, where you can hide from shelling. If aviation worked to the fullest, all the more massively, then Maryinka and Avdiivka would have been ours long ago. At least ten mobilizations will be carried out, but there will be no sense without aviation, capable of tactically coping with air defense and operating fully and without these frills "from a pitch-up".
    1. seacap
      seacap 5 December 2022 18: 21
      +3
      As far as I understand, and having real experience in my own skin, not a single NAR, t.b. launched about there ..., in terms of fire effect, it is not even close to comparable with the FAB250, not to mention the FAB500, even with the usual and banal 152-mm HE projectile. There are many techniques, acceptable accuracy of bombing, the same with a pitch-up, it is not clear why it is practically not heard about the bombardment of strongholds of various types of ammunition, which would reduce the consumption of artillery shells by an order of magnitude, up to the absence of such a need. Second, even in the conditions of the use of AWACS and satellites, RTV, in the absence of any opposition to them, where are the forces and means on duty, how much time is needed for air support from the moment of such a need, i.b. when covered units are in a critical situation, what is its effectiveness?
  35. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 5 December 2022 14: 00
    0
    By the end of the first day, Ukraine is blind, deaf and decapitated - no television, no internet, no telephone.
    The second day - strikes on military registration and enlistment offices - mobilization is completely disrupted, strikes on power supply systems, fuel lines and hubs, railway junctions. Electronic intelligence equipment and aircraft with anti-radar missiles hunt for any source of radar radiation.

    How to solve the problem: "to radically reduce the effectiveness of Ukrainian air defense, it is necessary to "land" American strategic unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) and early warning aircraft (AWACS), hovering over Poland, Romania and the Black Sea, to suppress ground-based radars in Eastern Europe, and possibly American intelligence, command and communications satellites.Only then the Russian Air Force will be able to calmly suppress Ukrainian air defense without fear of receiving an anti-aircraft guided missile (SAM) in the back."
    With such strikes, which are not suppressed by NATO intelligence, Ukrainian air defense will not be suppressed in any way.
  36. Illanatol
    Illanatol 5 December 2022 14: 11
    +7
    If Iraq's weapons were a little more modern, if their armed forces were a little more trained and professional, and most importantly, if the USSR / Russia helped them in the same way that the United States is now supporting Ukraine, and everything could have ended completely differently.


    And only the United States supports Ukraine?
    And other NATO countries-do not help?
    Iraq in 1991 was surrounded by not very friendly countries (Turkey, Iran, Israel), because the forces of the Iraqi army (and air force) were dispersed. Ukraine does not have such a problem.
    RF conducts NWO in splendid isolation. Operations in Iraq and Yugoslavia were carried out by coalitions of NATO countries.
    And the West had not only a qualitative, but also a quantitative advantage. Despite the fact that his victories were incomplete, and the fruits of these "victories" were short-lived.
  37. spirit
    spirit 5 December 2022 15: 01
    +6
    It's good that our "advanced" Generals, led by Parquetny, chose Hephaestus and did not create an analogue of the cheap JDAM. And not even anyone was "awarded" for such an effective choice! Brilliant work!
  38. Tank destroyerSU-100
    Tank destroyerSU-100 5 December 2022 15: 08
    +12
    What the author described as the NWO scenario was possible only under one condition - the absence in the country of the oligarchy and the masses of bureaucracy with foreign capital and houses.
    It is time.
    Second. Even in the conditions of operation of the space group and enemy AWACS aircraft, an air operation is possible. In the presence of appropriate forces and means. When attack aircraft are escorted by cover groups and air defense suppression groups, when not 4-6 vehicles, but many hundreds of attack aircraft, electronic warfare aircraft, and cover aircraft participate in a raid. In this case, possible losses will be compensated by the destruction of air defense forces and means, the replenishment of which in a short time will be impossible.
    However, such actions by front-line aviation are now impossible, since there are hardly a hundred Su-34s available from the Baltic to Kamchatka, hardly a hundred Su-24s. And if for an armada of 500-600 aircraft the loss of 20 or even 30 aircraft is from 4 to 6% of the number and such losses are not critical, then for the current Russian aviation such losses are prohibitive. Such losses will immediately call into question the combat effectiveness of ALL Russian aviation, in all strategic directions.
    It is this factor that is the root cause of such a modest behavior of our aviation.
    After all, for many years the apologists for a "compact, small contract army" have been saying that, unlike the "despicable scoop", such an army will not require groups of hundreds and thousands of aircraft. That the matter will be decided by tiny groups of aircraft, which, due to their super qualities, will replace entire squadrons of aviation of the "despicable scoop" with one pair. That it is enough to have only 30-40-50-60 aircraft and they will defeat everyone.
    True, at the same time, questions were contemptuously ignored, and what would happen if the enemy had powerful air defense, if the enemy had powerful and numerous aircraft. Like, where did you see the notorious "international terrorists" have air defense and aviation, and all the rest are our partners.
    I hope this audience will someday be called by name so that the veterans of the NWO have the opportunity to spit in their hari.
  39. Sailor
    Sailor 5 December 2022 15: 40
    +4
    I'm just sure if the head of the Russian Federation now is a person who thinks and cares for the prosperity and strengthening of the power of Russia, like Comrade STALIN, whom we all know, everything would be the same or not much differently, but it was with the same ending, but we have what we have. Incomprehensible negotiations on the 3rd day of the NMD, which were not attended by R. Kadyrov, but by the name of Medinsky, who is afraid of his own shadow and ongoing attempts to negotiate with the West, and the West will sit down at the negotiating table when it receives a "straight in the nose" and nothing else. I can’t understand when our power holders will understand this !!!
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  41. Duncan
    Duncan 5 December 2022 17: 09
    +4
    Thus, in order to radically reduce the effectiveness of Ukrainian air defense, it is necessary to “land” American strategic unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) and early warning aircraft (AWACS)

    That is, air defense systems traveling in columns near the line of contact, as in today's video, are more difficult to suppress than NATO UAVs a thousand kilometers away?
    When there is so much disorganization from the very top, the easiest way is to blame the "forces of nature" - NATO gives target designation there in seconds, 15 Hymers smashed all the logistics ...
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  43. Vladimir Dmitrievich Burtsev
    Vladimir Dmitrievich Burtsev 5 December 2022 18: 20
    0
    Kyiv could have been taken for a long time and several times. SVO should have finished in the summer. Instead of SVO, there are various useless debates. Russia has enough weapons to achieve success in the NWO within a week. Thousands of tanks, planes, artillery, missiles. What else do you need to win? Everything is there, you just need the desire to win! In addition to the anti-Bandera forces of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and Donbass, it is necessary to mobilize military militias in Ukraine from those who do not want to die under the yoke of Bandera and die in the name of the interests of the United States and NATO.
    1. wladimirjankov
      wladimirjankov 5 December 2022 23: 02
      +1
      Thousands of tanks, planes, artillery, missiles. What else do you need to win?

      You need an army to win. And it turns out that in our country there are 5 million security officials on the staff list and there is no one to fight. Conscripts can't fight either. Apparently they are not ready. What then they do for a whole year is unclear. Here we have to mobilize 30-50 year old men, many of whom even forgot how to hold a machine gun in their hands.
      1. AdAstra
        AdAstra 9 December 2022 12: 24
        0
        Well, yes, conscripts cannot be prepared in 12 months, and 30-50 year old mobilized ones can be prepared in 2-3 weeks, we have some kind of logic on the contrary.
  44. gromovanton
    gromovanton 5 December 2022 18: 30
    +3
    As in the movie "Prostokvashino" - We have money, Uncle Fedor, we don’t have enough mind ...
  45. aleks700
    aleks700 5 December 2022 18: 47
    +4
    Well well. I’m sitting with my friends, also couch strategists, back in June, and I tell them almost all of this. In addition to ballistic missiles with a conventional warhead. It didn't occur to me. Very expensive. Another came. Ground forces still prepare in advance. Otherwise, who will advance along the Dnieper to cut off the left-bank Ukraine from the right-bank one? Why didn't the commander-in-chief do it? A childlike naivety that he seems to recognize, but does little to correct. His words "in hindsight are all powerful." The position is such that one must be strong not in the back, but simply in the mind.
    1. futurohunter
      futurohunter 7 December 2022 18: 54
      +2
      There are no "conventional" warheads. Firstly, it’s the same as shooting sparrows from a cannon, and secondly, any launch of an ICBM without warning is a signal for a retaliatory strike. And here it doesn’t matter what head is on the rocket ... Even though it’s empty
      1. aleks700
        aleks700 8 December 2022 05: 41
        +1
        But I agree with you. Fully. This reason is even more important.
  46. Mikhail Maslov
    Mikhail Maslov 5 December 2022 19: 00
    -3
    I don’t accept this option. As soon as our planes and missiles start, banderlogs begin a ground invasion of the Donbass, Belgorod, Kursk, Bryansk, Voronezh regions. Until you bring up the troops, there will be a collapse. And these plans were with the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Therefore, the development of the situation as I see it. Deliberate defense along the entire front, powerful strikes against the structure indicated by the author, both military and civilian. That is what we are doing now.
    1. rafat
      rafat 5 December 2022 20: 57
      0
      There were troops, there were exercises Allied determination - 2022 they were not withdrawn and the invasion began, the author is right.
  47. Glagol1
    Glagol1 5 December 2022 20: 00
    +5
    1. Poor strategic design
    2. Underestimate the enemy
    3. Reassessment of own videoconferencing
    4. All-round assistance to the window-dressing forces from NATO.
    It was enough to get bogged down.
  48. Kurva18
    Kurva18 5 December 2022 20: 44
    -1
    The plot is correct, but in modern conditions it is not achievable.
  49. BUMER
    BUMER 5 December 2022 21: 12
    +2
    First they touched on history, and then the author suffered. The only thing missing was laser beams from outer space.
    If this senseless scenario were realized, then hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian warriors would cross the borders of the Russian Federation from Kursk to Crimea, then everything would be much sadder.
  50. Vlodek
    Vlodek 5 December 2022 21: 20
    -1
    if you do not understand the PURPOSE of the operation, then it could be so.
    the goal is not the conquest of Ukraine!
    this is only the territory on which there is a war (by and large for the independence of Russia). the further we climb, the more difficult the logistics of supplies and the protection of the seized .... time is the main shock resource with which the European Union is now being defeated. Well, General Frost will soon step in for us, however, as always